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UBW > HF (minus Sakura) > Fate

>>3045570
The 'sex scene' complaints focus more on the fact that they are misplaced and sudden or that the writing ranges from bad to uninteresting most of the time.

Disregarding subjective art appeal, it's pretty damn easy to fap during most of them, but how good or hot are is a different issue.

UBW has the least pacing issues and more steady main character development, but after that it depends on the content and your preferences

Yeah the HCGs and the scenes that accompany them are very good. The best HCG route is probably Rin's but maybe I'm biased. The routes are basically
Fate route = real story
UBW = expands on the unexplained parts in the Fate route
HF = A bit different but overall the most GAR of all paths since it has the badass Realta Nua parts.

Oh yeah and make sure that you get the Realta Nua patch.

>>3045602
You route comments make a man cringe.

I liked HF the best. Good amounts of Illya and Kotomine, some awesome fights, and Shirou develops in a good way. I'm also one of the few people who actually like Sakura, so its all good.

>>3045580
>>HF (minus Sakura)
You mean minus 80% of the fucking route then.
That's stupid, a route that is bad most of the time doesn't magically get good only thank to a few good scenes.

>>3045606
Well I'm trying to be vague and spoiler-free...

>>3045616
Yeah it was a good conclusion to the game. Very satisfying.

>>3045628
You mean the ending that had 2 fucking Deus Ex Machina one after the other?
Yeah right.

>>3045633
You have no idea what Deus Ex Machina means, don't use it abundantly.
Whether you liked the conclusion or not, it makes sense.
And a happy conclusion does not negate all the shit they have been through and things they have lost.
It's not different than the other endings.

>>3045633
UBW had Deus Ex Machina also dipshit.

>>3045620
You make UBW appears as an irrelevant side route and use terms as GAR.
That's teh problem.

>>3045638
Yeah so?

You should all kill yourselves.

God damn, it's almost pointless to even read /jp/, anymore.

>>3045651
>Tripfag complaining about the quality of /jp/

>>3045651
What >>3045654 said.

Also, stop trying to look edgy and cool. You're not.

>>3045654
Which makes it even more poignant that a post like yours immediately followed.

>>3045654
Well, he is much easier to stomach than 40 irrelevant threads popping up by anon and certain other trips.

>>3045659
Good, then maybe you'll take your own advice and leave.

>>3045661
No he is not, he is among the worst.

>You make UBW appears as an irrelevant side route and >use terms as GAR.
>That's teh problem.

So? It does feel like an irrelevant side route since it's basically the Fate route with a few changes. That's why the UBW stuff could be shoved into the anime without much problem.

And GAR is an awesome term. And if you don't like internet terms then why is the HNGGGGGH from the OP acceptable?

>>3045671
>GAR is an awesome term
Back to /a/.

>>3045570
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>>3045671
>HNGGGGGH from the OP acceptable?
It's not.

>>3045675
I learned the term GAR from /jp/ though...in a thread discussing Lancer.

>>3045671
Cause HNNNGH is just a reaction.
And a single event of UBW was crammed badly in the anime series.
It barely has ANYTHING to do with Fate.
I doubt you even went through the routes, now.
More like Traversed wikipedia or collected comments on 4chan.

>>3045570

The first sex scene in F/SN is by far the best one. Second scene in Fate is rather mediocre, the jackhammering in UBW felt unbelievable and out of character, and HF was pure bullshit apart from the surprisingly hot dreamsex with Fake Rin.

>>3045666
>>3045669
Tripfags who post without their tripcodes are the worst.

>>3045688
Sorry that you're butthurt that I don't think UBW is that great. HF > Fate > UBW

>>3045741
Dude, it may be the worst thing ever conceived for all one cares.
But it has nothing to do with Fate in terms of content, focus etc.
Simple enough.
Don't be that stupid, and realize what people tell you.

>Oh yeah and make sure that you get the Realta Nua patch.
Heard it mentioned a few times while it was being made. Where can I find it? And what does it add?

>>3045738
Hahaha, right, kiddo.

>>3045748
Fate and UBW have the same overall flow while HF is completely different. It's like they just swapped some characters and situations around in Fate and UBW but had the same outcome.

>>3045754
>Where can I find it?

waku waku

>And what does it add?

Some extra graphics and a new mini-"route".

>>3045754
/rs/

Adds images from Realta Nua to things like Shirou vs. Dark Berserker and Shirou vs. Kotomine. Also adds one piece of music.

>>3045754
It adds some new scenes to the HF route and a final scene. It's content from the PS2 version of the game. Also you can patch the voices from the PS2 version also.

>>3045570
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>>3045758
No. No they do not.
No same outcome, either.HF had very different PACE then the other two(much bigger break between events and till we reach climax) in comparison, but events, focus and development all differ drastically.

Bad assessment is bad.

>/rs/
Ah, thanks. /rs/ fails me a lot (for VN related searches) so I haven't bothered with it lately.

>Also you can patch the voices from the PS2 version also.
Did that back when the HF patch first came out. Just haven't gotten around to playing the route due to complaints about it and having other VNs to read.

I won't lie, there were parts of the story that seemed cluttered, but the writing in this VN was actually better than some of the shittier books I've read in my life. But sex=mana transfer? What the hell? I thought the "fairy power" thing was bad in YMK!

The first seibasecks really was rather hot, with seiba and shirou both trying to play the role of the blushing bride and Rin being the slut queen of Backlay Cocksuckia to contrast them, a characterization that I came to miss in the latter routes (I went WTF when Rin's only sex scene came and they inexplicably tried to play her as even more reserved/clueless about sex than Saber, something that I had just seen is not true).

I think Rin actually was the kicker that sent an otherwise serviceable scene to the level of win it reached. There's just something delightfully shameless in her not just getting them started and politely leaving the scene, but rather electing to stay and masturbate like crazy the whole time.

I must say I sort of miss that version of Rin.

>>3045810
Just like quite a few things in F/SN, this aspect is borrowed from actual legends/occult etc and adapted in the setting.
And better than shittier books does not mean much.
The writing is nowhere near excellent, but being better than any shit is not that hard.

>>3045810
Why would you spoiler tag some of the most basic knowledge on 4chan?

>>3045780
>HF had very different PACE then the other two(much bigger break between events and till we reach climax)

People keep telling me this, but I didn't notice it. It was the Fate route that felt to me to be the most long-winded actually, probably because it was the only one where I had to sit through the introductory bullshit where nothing happens other than a bunch of insignificant side characters getting unnecessarily long introductions and lots and lots of cooking. With UBW and HF I of course utilized the option to skip that tedious foreplay and get right to the interesting parts.

>>3045810
>I thought the "fairy power" thing was bad in YMK!
Hey, YMK had a good reason for that.

>>3045833
If you do not skip anything, you will notice HF has bigger breaks in-between action and more of them stuffed in the end.
All routes have a good amount of different exposition and 'lectures'.

Of course, even if Fate and UBW have better pacing, what matters is also the actual events and how good they are, so it boils down to content.

Fate's a decent route but had less moments of me going "FUCK YEAH" than the other two.
UBW has better fights because Shirou's more involved. Rin's my favorite of the three heroines as well, so fuck yeah.
HF has its moments, but me disliking Sakura makes the route a lot less interesting. It's got quite a few awesome fights though.

Overall, UBW is my favorite route, followed by Fate. HF's my least favorite, due to me disliking Shirou towards the end of it.

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HF > UBW > Fate easily
Rin is a manipulating slut. Saber + Shirou is boring shounen shit. Sakura is a good girl

Rin is impure. Discuss.

>>3046979
Depends on the time period.
Game start=pure.
After certain events=Down the Dark spiral of sexual intercourse and betraying the hopes of 3d men.

can someone help me find a way to dl this game?

>>3047128
Google 'Game name' torrent.

>>3047128
www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tsukibako+torrent

>>3047128
Are you stupid? If you haven't found it until now you should better stop using a pc because you might hurt yourself.

it's all overrated.

>>3047149
YOUR MOTHER IS OVERRATED

>>3047147
>>3047145
but I can't use torrent sites...

>>3047228
Then you have no hope/

>>3047242
so... no RS then?

>>3047249
You can't write Rapidshit without shit.

>>3047228
Torrent is the only thing. If you can't use it we can't help you either.
>>3047249
No.

>>3047252
Not a problem . It is spelled rapid share.

>>3047269
No it isn't

>>3047228
irc.rizon.net
#/jp/
/msg [jp]VNs-English xdcc send #2

>>3045570
in b4 mollusks

>>3046979
She is pure in all routes but her own, in which she has monogamous sex with the man she loves. What a whore.

>>3047299
>with the man she loves

I do wonder who that might be, because she sure as hell doesn't act like she loves Shirou.

>>3047304
Here we go again with the 'Satanic hag from hell's bowels who only uses you for her own interests' misinterpretation.
Not on this thread, please?

>>3047311

All I'm saying is that with love like that, who needs hate?

>>3047304
Hey.

Fuck you.

I agree that Sakura is a good girl

>>3047335
Judging from what other characters just in this game do to you, I wish Rin was the harshest thing I ever had to face.
Life would be awesome.
You are a pampered little bitch that pushes his dislike of a character as a fact.

>>3047359

Whatever, femdom freak.

>>3047392
Phallocratic asshole much?
Just as bad as feminazis.

>>3047392
Yes, because Rin is definitely the dominant one in bed. Right.

>>3047403

Not standing up for the unwarranted bullshit of a pampered bitch with an entirely too high opinion of herself is being "just as bad as feminazis"?

Rin actually reminds me of a girl I used to know who would give me that same annoyed expression that Rin uses

>>3047413
Yes, if that's your character assessment from her words and actions.

>>3047405

Either UBW or HF is the best route. They are both good in different ways. Fate is also good but was somewhat boring because I had already watched the anime.

And despite the /jp/ hivemind Nasu's sex scenes are better than what you find in most VNs.

>>3047465
Yeah the scenes are hot. I think it's just that they aren't worth the 20 hours for each route if you want *just* the HCG but as an addition to something you already want to play through they are fantastic.

Fuck, I got to boot up the Rin route when I get hope!

>>3047421

I've heard bits about it secondhand, but missed the Jackhammer-san thread when it was happening. Anybody got a copy or explanation about it?

Facts: Rin is evil, Sakura is a slut and Shirou is a borderline retard. These are non-negotiable truths of FSN.

>>3047465
Nah.
A few are hot, a few are just out there, but the majority is the usual trope(which is not really 'bad', just...uninteresting as most sex descriptions and settings usually are).
Add very peculiar placement and certain awesome doujins and you build a legend.

>>3047482
Shirou can't control himself when having sex with Rin during UBW and ends up doing it very roughly (though Rin herself is partially to blame, as she wasn't wet enough because she refused to let Shirou go down on her)

>>3047521
All of Nasu's ero scenes have more colorful writing than average, for better or worse.

>>3047567

>>3047567
Nah, not nearly all of them.
Unless you count Shiki being an assole, which is funny.

Who gets cummed inside the most in FSN?

>>3047663

Sakura by far, of course. It's not even a contest.

>>3047668
Can you back that claim up with empirical evidence?

Who gets condensed soymilk in the face the most?

>>3047684
This is a no spoiler zone. But just play the game, kid.

>>3047542
>I'm never going to have sex with you again

We all know that's a lie.

>no spoiler zone
>4chan
Have to admit, I laughed.

>>3047708
She's just being over dramatic but that's what makes her a cute tsundere :)

>>3047663
Sakura, then Saber, and then Rin, who doesn't get cummed inside.

>>3047708

Especially in the good end, where she keeps saber around, obviously so she can keep fucking shirou.

Eventually, Rin gets used to the hot dickings and embraces the jackhammer.

>>3047778
He even brings her breakfast in bed the next morning

>>3047806
If that isn't love, I don't know what is.

>>3047743

Such a cute tsundere ^_^

>>3047826

Rin lies half the time.
Her dere moments are her feigning civility to save face.
Her tsun moments are her real thoughts, breaking through the facade.

>>3047864
...Right.

>>3047864
See:
>>3047806
>>3047778

>>3047887
>>3047806
>He brings her

I'm not sure if you've read this part correctly.
Shirou of course loves Rin in UBW. Why else would he put up with her bullshit?

What's not satisfactorily proven is does Rin love Shirou.

Rin-sama doesn't lie.

>>3047864
>tsun moments are her real thoughts
>dere moments are just a front

Does that make Rin a...deretsun?

>>3047909

Nah, just two-faced.

>>3047904
Of course she does.

>>3047904
She comes to love him (different extents) on every route very clearly.
You must be quite a fucktard to not be 99% certain.
I will not use 100%, cause it's 2D, we can assume everyone gets with anyone cause they want their fluids.

>>3047904
Considering she wants him to move to another country with her, where they will live together, I'd say she does.

>>3047928

If she does love him, then why the fuck is it so hard for her to be even _polite_ to him, on the level one would expect from even a complete stranger? Half her dialogue towards the "man she loves" is barbs, taunts and put-downs.

There is precisely one point in any of the routes where I thought she was genuinely being nice to Shirou (the thing in the prologue doesn't count, because that was her just doing what any halfway decent human being should have done), and that was the True End of UBW where she apparently tried to arrange a rather huge favor for him. That's an awfully small amount of dere for "very clear" love that I would have to be a "fucktard" to not notice.

>>3047963
>If she does love him, then why the fuck is it so hard for her to be even _polite_ to him, on the level one would expect from even a complete stranger? Half her dialogue towards the "man she loves" is barbs, taunts and put-downs.

Accurate representation of what a real woman is like. Rin at least has good things to say about Shirou. You're just overlooking them.

>>3047963
Bullshit.
Half her dialogue is normal, ranging from friendly to slight teasing., one quarter is her being angry(for doing something stupid/reckless), stern/professional attitude or making fun of*greater teasing, and last quarter is obvious she thinks of him as more.

And she is the only character(excluding Ilya) that truly understands Shirou's fuckd up psyche and tries to help him and 'save' him, She has the best understanding of him (big part of it due to Archer).

Claiming 'MOST OF THE TIME SHE IS RUDE TO ME BAWWW, she mistreats me , NEVER ANY KIND WORDS ' is childish and grossly inaccurate.

I know you are determined and you won't change opinions, but what the fuck man, talk about nonsensical prejudice.

>>3047542
>Shirou can't control himself when having sex with Rin during UBW and ends up doing it very roughly

Ok, understand the reference a little better. I picked up something about the meme being an inspiration to the less-experienced (er, virgins) here? Something about a guy who gets referred to as Jackhammer-san (my reading is that the nick refers to some poster, and not Shirou)?

>>3047971

You seem to be advocating a definition love that isn't very different from what I call "hate".

>>3048019
>prejudice

I don't think you know what that word means.

>>3048034
A held belief you have about certain groups of people Rin has traits of, and which you use to distort everything concerning her words and actions.
Fuck, you even get scenes from her point of view. Few as they may be, they just highlight it.

It's ridiculous.

>>3048034
She doesn't behave in the way you're advocating she does. /jp/ overblows Rin's personality and interactions with Shirou. Shirou sort of deserves the abuse he actually gets, for the most part, because he's incredibly thick.

And I'm not talking about his penis.

Saber is almost as abusive in the "You're a retard, Master." way. She just lacks the ability to sit Shirou down and explain to him that he's being a moron that Rin possesses.

>>3048027
It refers to Shirou.

>>3048056

Prejudice can only exist _before_ there is actual experience. That's what the "pre" comes from. I have complete experience on Rin, insofar as one can have with only the translated materials. I cannot have prejudice towards her, rather I am making a judgment based on my experiences.

Learn the difference, it could save your life.

>>3048062
>Shirou sort of deserves the abuse he actually gets, for the most part, because he's incredibly thick.

On that part I agree, if I had to deal with Shirou's sheer stupidity I would be frustrated and for good reason.

However, the difference between me an Rin is that people do not insist on the Internet that I am CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY DUH DUH DUHHH in love with Shirou.

I can understand and even accept Rin's behavior, if and only if she loathes Shirou.

>>3048069
I'm certain you hated similar traits of characters that she has before going through F/SN and see her exact character, and thus refused to see her for what she is and kept distorting and ignoring facts and sticking with the old shitty opinion. . Thus, fits for my statement.
Either way, you are just a fucking idiot that tries to pass his bad understanding as a fact and accurate description of character development and interactions.

>>3048094

Defend her honor more, White Knight. Maybe she'll come to life and fuck you.

>>3048092
If she did loathe him, the actual amount of control and abuse she could exert an curiously does not is enormous. She wastes too much time ,resources and even her well-being for her sake, and it is almost never important or advantageous to claim 'Good business regardless of feelings'.
She is the only one who due his actions truly and actively tries to understands 'Why the fuck do you do what you do'.

A few mean words that are almost always for his sake do not outweigh everything else.

It doesn't matter, Rin is still fucking annoying.

>>3048111
Disregarding silly 'Oh, you just do it for characters you like' assumptions, you are wrong.
Like the people that say 'Oh man, Shirou is just stupid', 'Arc is just an airhead', 'Akiha is a mean bitch for no reason', 'Rance should never be successful' , ' Bernkastel is tsundere' and whatnot, it needs to be pointed out that it's simplified bullshit that makes no sense if one goes through the content somewhat objectively.

>>3048120

Understanding is not love, nor is it a prerequisite for it. It may actually be a hindrance.

As for the rest, if all it takes for love is that you don't outright seek to kill or cripple your target (and Rin actually attempts to do the latter in the school scene), then I guess I fucking love the entire world. I don't call it that though. I call it the minimum requirement for counting as a human being.

Rin's "dere" is so incredibly weak that it's indistinguishable from basic decency.

>>3048092
You tell the one you love he's stupid when he's being stupid. Rin doesn't hide the truth from Shirou, unlike Saber, who goes along with it even when she knows he's making retarded decisions that magically resolve themselves.

She makes her comments so that maybe he'll take his own life seriously, instead of being so ready to throw it away for others. When she finally understands what makes him happy, she tries to temper it with reason and direction.

This is what a loving, and vastly more sane/reasonable, person does for another person when that other person has an obsession. They provide a creative outlet, while chiding the person that's obsessed so that they become self-conscious of their actions.

>>3048130

And "objectively" of course means "the way I, Anonymous #3048130 of the Internets, do"?

>>3048135
...I will disregard your 'Understanding' comment, cause you have a weird grasp of it.
She only attemts the 'Assault' once very early on.
Where she is still nowhere near close to him. And while she could kill an opponent, she chooses the method that has the least Consequences for Shirou. And after that Bad end you can get, he lives a fucking normal life. After that scene, she never does anything similar and rather risks herself for you sake too many times.
The only bad end where she kills you is when she puts you out of your misery when you are Caster's baby tube. Every other female kills you out of anger or personal benefit/moment of weakness.

Just as I said, you distort content and it's context to falsely prove your point.

Amateurish.

>>3048130
But I thought that Lambda was the tsundere!

>>3048142
It means to judge characters and events for what they are, instead or bring past opinions of similar situations into play, for one thing.
Or if you are incapable of anything of the short or just not care, admit that what you say is your opinion and you dislike the character/even, and not pass it as a fact.

>>3048136
According to what you said, doesn't that mean that Taiga and Ilya are the best suited for Shirou?

>>3048167
Taiga doesn't even know about all the magic stuff and Illya spends most of her early time thinking about how best to make Shirou suffer/dominate him.

Besides, they don't have routes, so yeah.

>>3048188
Since Shirou is a masochist, Illya is the best for him.

>>3048154

"She loves him because she attacked him only once!" Yes, that totally proves it.

I have no doubt that Rin was intended to be a love interest. The writers just forgot the "love" part, that's all. It's a common error - being so enamored with your character that you take her likability for granted and forget to put in any reasons to like her in the first place.

Discounting UBW's true end, all Rin has is that she doesn't want to fight the poor special-ed manchild (at least not all the time), and attempts to help him as long as it's reasonably convenient for her. I seriously can't grasp the sort of a mind that interprets that as love. What's Sakura's attitude then? You'd have to invent a whole new word for it, like "ultralove" or "megadoration".

We can't see in Rin's mind. But we can see her behavior, and other than the Magic Plot Convenience Sex, her behavior is identical to, well, pretty much every woman AND man I interact regularly with. The smarmy insults and tiny favors. I really wonder what the fuck kind of shithole you live in if the default state of not openly hostile human behavior is "love" in your eyes.

>>3048166

Protip: anything anybody says about a character beyond its name and sex is automatically an opinion, including anything you think of them. They are not measurable things.

>>3048214
>megadoration

This should be a word.

Also, the whole "tsundere" archetype plays a role in that, I suppose.

>>3048214
Again with shitty distorting. She attacked him as an enemy in the START, before they allied and got close. And she did not intend to kill or maim him, just take him out of the war (which she does). Relationship development properly starts pretty clearly after that, as most people should realize.
Secondly, almost always when she helps and aids, is NOWHERE near convenient. The few times one can say 'She needs help', so does Shirou. She goes to extreme lengths for you. 'Loathing' makes no sense.

And Sakura is a great example, since one of her ways of expressing love and concern is blowing you up a bit
so you stay home.

How the fuck you discount her majority of words and actions, is astounding.Rin's summed up behavior is 'Eh, just not hostile and helps you a bit just for gain' according to you.
It's like reaching HF and going 'What? There is a PROBLEM WITH TEH GRAIL? Bullshit, it makes no sense'.
I should be careful if I ever warn you of oncoming traffic, you might mistake it for me trying to sell your liver.

>>3048219
It's easy to deduce things from events and actions.

>>3048248
>And Sakura is a great example, since one of her ways of expressing love and concern is blowing you up a bit so you stay home.

"Hey, Rider. Wouldn't it be great if Senpai couldn't move any more? He wouldn't have to leave my side. Ever again <3

Yeah, I thought it was a great idea, too."

Rin makes the greatest sacrifice for no reason ever: she saves Shirou's life, without expecting any reward, just because she was always interested in him and because she thought it was terrible that he got hurt.

And we do see into her mind. It's called the prologue. That's where you find out how hard Rin is for Saber.

I am beginning to wonder if you even read the thing.

>>3048188
>spends most of her early time thinking about how best to make Shirou suffer/dominate him.

Perhaps the same could be said of Rin; except, instead of just thinking about it, Rin actually MAKES Shirou suffer.

After all of this, Ilya devotes herself to guiding Shirou towards the right decisions, while showing just how much she cares about her daft onii-chan, despite having no compulsion to have such feelings.

tl;dr: Ilya > Rin.

ITT: Opinions

Fuck you guys, Ayako is the best.

Rider agreed, don't bother her about it.

>>3048326
I guess you're overlooking all those bad ends where Illya has Berserker turn you into pavement grease, or the one where she transfers your consciousness into a doll.

Rin beating you up and forcing you out of the war seems kind of... loving, in comparison.

Also, Rin doesn't cause Shirou much suffering, at least not physically. She assaults his beliefs, but that's pretty good on her part, considering Shirou is a walking breakdown. Shirou causes Rin more trouble than she causes him, especially when you consider that Archer, her servant, is actually a disgruntled Shirou out to kill himself.

Rin watched Shirou play archery quite often since she had a crush on him. They were also childhood friends!
Rin is the most moe out of all characters.

Moe attributes
>tsundere
>twintails
>zettai ryouki
>ribbons
>childhood friend

That easily outranks all of the other characters in the game!

>>3048422
Not really 'childhood friends'.
And Ribbons are a trait?
Does it matter HOW they tie/hold their hair?(since you mentioned she has a two-side up)

>>3048436
Just pretend.

>>3048361
I recall getting a bad end where Rin killed me.

She didn't seem too unhappy with this result. At least it was Berserker who killed me when it came to Ilya, as though she couldn't possibly make herself do it.

>>3048450
Mentioned above.
You have become a no-limb test tube projection blob used by Caster. She steels herself and puts you to rest.
And if she can hold your severed head and make you a doll, I think your point flies out of the window.
It's really kinda pointless now to try.

>>3048422
>childhood friend
Incorrect.

Not sure if this was already said or not, but did you get the Realta Nua and Uncensored patches OP?

>>3048436
Ribbons are a moe trait. See --> touhou
And they were childhood friends. It was mentioned that they used to play in the playground together but Shirou doesn't remember (of course) while Rin does.

>>3048482
Hopefully he left already since there are so many spoilers in this thread now...

>>3048496
They weren't childhood friends. Shirou just thinks that Rin could have been a bully he fought on the playgrounds. they never actually met until high school and the first time Rin sees Shirou is in junior high.

>>3047778
>>3047806
>>3047925

But we're all forgetting that that is Avenger

I find Rin w/ Zelretch sword battle event to be the best i've read in the game. of course, UBW was just as great in fights.

The best pairing.

>>3048527
Avenger serving the role of Emiya Shirou. It essentially IS Shirou.

>>3048527
More like Sidestories you unlock by getting 'love points' through the main repeat.
So, more like 'follow-up events' of the appropriate route.

>>3048553
These scenes are from a side story, similar to Ten Nights of a Dream.
Avenger posing as Shirou only happens in the main story, where he's busy raping Kotomine's daughter.

>>3048527
No it isn't. The only one that gets banged by Avenger is Caren.

>>3048634

>>3048648
Doesn't matter what it is. It'll just get in the way, both on the battlefield and in the bedroom.