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I wanted to bitch at someone on here for possibly misleading me. I'm spoiler-tagging the whole thing for those slowass bitches who haven't watched Higurashi and haven't played Umineko.

So I read on here, or on /a/ I don't remember, where Bernkastel and Lambdadelta from Umineko had tie-ins to Higurashi. I went and downloaded like every episode of Higurashi ever because I love those 2 witches from Umineko.

So I watch the whole first season and I don't see Bern or Lambda. So I tell my friend who I'm trying to get into Umineko that OH MAN YOU GOTTA WATCH HIGURASHI IT HAS 2 WITCHES FROM UMINEKO IN IT AND U GOTTA WATCH IT TO SEE THEM CUZ THEY'RE SUPER COOL. So my friend watches both seasons of Higurashi.

He tells me that NEITHER BERNKASTEL OR LAMBDA SHOW UP IN HIGURASHI AT ALL. It's just that auu auu bitch, Rika (who I guess is Bern but they dont explain it he says) and that Miyo girl who is supposedly Lambda but he says she isn't some sort of witch. So now I'm dissapointed because I thought that by watching Higurashi I would understand Umineko better.


So how does Higurashi tie into Umineko especially in regard to the witches?

Also, Bern and Lambda thread.

>> No.2966439

Rika and Miyo

>> No.2966444

They don't tie-in. You magnificently fell into witch's trap.

>> No.2966447

Jesus Christ, you are dumb.

4/10, excellent trolling.

>> No.2966456

thats what you get for being a dumbass. there are no witches in higurashi, those 2 are just expies for rika and miyo

>> No.2966459

λ

>> No.2966462

>watched Higurashi
Poor kid, can't understand moonrunes?

>> No.2966467
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Fascinating.

>> No.2966474

Deen removed all the things about the Furude Rika/Frederika relation from the anime, in the VN, it's pretty obvious.

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Lambda and Bern never appeared in Higurashi.
"Frederica" appears at the end of Kai.It can't be treated exactly as Bernkastel.
Rei is all about how supposedly Bernkastel flees the Higurashi board.

>> No.2966485

I suppose you could consider these general When They Cry spoilers:
Bern is the collective conciousness of all the different Rikas who lived through the kakara of Higurashi, with the murders and whatnot. I heard there's a small part about that in Higurashi Rei (the OVAs) though I haven't watched those myself. From what I understand, 34 is the witch that set up the events in Higurashi and Takano is her piece inside the 'game world', but I'm not entirely sure about that. Either way, she doesn't make any appearance in Higurashi whatsoever, iirc.

>> No.2966490

>>2966428
Watch the Higurashi OVA.
Or better: tell your friend to watch the Higurashi OVA.

>> No.2966492

>>2966428
Ange and Shion are classmates.
Battler was the boy that got shot by K1 6years ago that cause K1 to transfer to Hinamizawa.
Rika = Bernkastel = Trollkastel
Lambdadelta was influencing Miyo to massacre everyone in Hinamizawa. She is the same witch that made Beatrice and using her as a puppet for her amusement with Trollkastel.
Also the dam in Hinamizawa was developed by the Ushiromiya family.
Nanjo is an acquainted of Miyo dad.

You must be stupid if you cant see the similarity.

>> No.2966496

In during irritating speculation

>> No.2966497 [SPOILER] 
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Try reading wikipedia before making dumb posts broski.

>> No.2966513

This is the connection between Higurashi and Umineko. Serious spoilers follow.

Essentially, Higurashi was a battle between Bern and Lambda, though it didn't start that way. Takano has an unbreakable will to destroy Oyashiro-sama/Rika, which becomes a certainty from which Lambda is born. To try and get out of this bad end, Hanyuu resets the world over and over again, with only Rika remembering what happened in the previous world (minus the last 10 minutes of her life). From this will eventually come Bern. In the final world, apparently in the meta-world Lambda (pretty much the manifestation of Takano) lets Bern (all of the Rika's from previous worlds together) put her "pieces" wherever she wants, thus creating a miracle that finally defeats Lambda/Takano. The first time the actual name of Bernkastle is heard is in Higurashi Rei, Dice-killing chapter (the current OVAs). By now somebody else has probably posted a better explanation, but that's pretty much it.

Oh, and Higurashi never happened. That, or it was just a book that's even mentioned ingame in Umineko.

>> No.2966519

The Bern of Umineko is not the Bern of Higurashi but someone pretending.

proof: She said nipaah when she already claimed in Higurashi that Fredrica and Rika are different.

>> No.2966520

ΛΔ is not Takano and has nothing to do with her other than offering to grant her a wish.

>> No.2966527

Lambdadelta existed for a long time before the events of Higurashi ever began. Her and Takano don't have the same (supposed) connection as Rika/Bern.

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>>2966519
Rika tells Rena that she is not Rika Furude when she meets her at the dump in Tsumihoboroshi-hen. How do you account for that?

>> No.2966532

>>2966513
She didn't want to destroy, but to become Oyashirou-sama.

>> No.2966535

>Battler was the boy that got shot by K1 6years ago that cause K1 to transfer to Hinamizawa.
The kid K1 shot at died in the novel I thought they only revamped it in the anime I thought. Which is why Hanyuu always calls Keichii the 'most sinful human in existence but because of that he knows good'.

>Ange and Shion are classmates.
Shion went too school in 1970's right?

>> No.2966542

>>2966529
Different Kakera.

>> No.2966549

>Battler was the boy that got shot by K1 6years ago that cause K1 to transfer to Hinamizawa.
In the manga, is a little girl who loses an eye due K1.

>> No.2966564

>>2966549
I also thought it was only girls he shot.

>> No.2966562

>>2966535

You can't be taking my post seriously right?
I am just putting idiotic speculation to see if OP is stupid enough to believe it.

>> No.2966572

>>2966535
Where are you getting that from? In the VN it's a little girl and K1 never says anything about her dying.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=681523&postcount=130

>> No.2966578

>>2966535
He's kidding.

>> No.2966583

>>2966497
Wikipedia has incorrect information on it too.

>> No.2966584

>>2966549
And her name is Siesta 00

>> No.2966594

>>2966584
You'll shoot your eye out, kid

>> No.2966754
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2966754

>>Umineko/Higurashi common characters

You guys are forgetting someone.

>> No.2966756

>>2966754
Just a nod to fans

>> No.2966761

>>2966754
>>2966754
Similarity to who?
Sion Mion gangster friend?

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>>2966754
Okonogi is Maria's father

>> No.2966781

>>2966761
1/10

>> No.2966797

Oh god okonogi is hot

>> No.2966805

>>2966779
SHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>> No.2966815

>>2966754
I hope they bring in Akasaka. It should be towards the end, too, since once Akasaka comes into the picture it's pretty much game over for the other side.

>> No.2966826

>>2966815
Juuza is Akasaka's son

>> No.2966828

I want to see Hanyuu put 34 and Bern in their place.

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>>2966779

>> No.2967682

>>2966779
No, fuck you.

>> No.2967745

>>2966428
Many fans of of both Higurashi and Umineko has debated that Bern and Lambda has manipulated the events of Higurashi as a battle of wits. It been explained earlier in the Umineko game that Witches have the power to control the fate of any parallel universes, Higurashi happen to be one of the game board they played on. Many of the quotes at the beginning of each chapter of Higurashi came from Bern herself, and 100 years duel between her and Lambda match the number of times Rika actually "dies". Other than that, there are no evidence that Umineko is tied to Higurashi and everything else is just a shout out to the latter.

>> No.2967777

>>2966428
Droopy-tan's name can be written like 34 same as lambdadelta. Rika is Bern but I'm not sre if they're the same bern.

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