/jp/ - Otaku Culture

You betrayed yourselves by giving in to the Hot Pocket Brigade.

This will be deleted by them to prove my point.

>>29627649
heh

>>29627379
I am an old /jp/sie
what did I do

>>29631703
you were supposed to stay young with us. why did you grow old?

BETRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL

>>29631703
That's not what OP meant.

>>29627379
Time is a fucking bitch.
What's changed besides a whole generation?

It's not their fault.
Who knew that sniffing jenkem would give you deadly pneunomia?
At least they are happy in Gensokyo now.

because at some point the man found out about the autismbux loophole and the only choice I had was work or death... and I'm too afraid to die.

>>29640381
not even fair considering you legitimately have autism

>>29641225
it's a hard, unfair world

>>29641303
amen brother

How many /jp/sies do you think turned into norm slaves or holofags?

they all became normalfags, but oh not me, i could never...
but seriously, for the most part they either moved to social media after roleplaying as hikkineets, or just commited suicide, it's kind of sad but that's life.

>>29642355
Killing yourself for Gensokyo is not betrayal. I always pour one out for my dead /jp/sies.

This world was made for suffering
>>29638156
Yo! Long time no see.

>>29642476
we should set aside a day to celebrate all the /jp/sies who've gone ahead to Gensokyo before us

>>29644209
I googled national NEET day to see if something existed and September 13 came up

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=national+neet+day

Apparently it's for some sort of test
>National Eligibility cum Entrance Test Undergraduate, or NEET 2020, will be held on September 13
I don't know what kinda test it is but it has the word cum in it and NEETs masturbate a lot so I hereby declare September 13 to be National Remember NEETs day

>>29644650
Could also try this:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=national+unemployment+day

So it's actually more related to being NEET rather than just coincidentally having the same acronym.

>>29644795
>International Unemployment Day (March 6, 1930) was a coordinated international campaign of marches and demonstrations, marked by hundreds of thousands of people in major cities around the world taking to the streets to protest mass unemployment associated with the Great Depression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Unemployment_Day

Yeah that seems like a pretty great idea as well.
I was certain some day out there existed for NEETs as ``days'' exist for essentially all sorts of random things. The other one probably changes by year anyway.

March 6 it is

>>29644911
Mark it on your calendar, /jp/!

>>29644650
Silly anon, cum in this sentence is it's old fashioned meaning so it's an eligibility that's also an entrance test.

>>29642347
I'm a hard-going 2hufag that just recently got into holo, but I still 2hufag at heart... Is that okay?

>>29646852

>>29646852
it's too late for you, anon... you should end yourself while you still cling to the slightest dignity

>>29646852
You must repent before it is too late.

>>29646905
>>29646934
>>29646987
I still love you /jp/...

>>29642347
i posted 2hu on /jp/ for a long time but recently became a nijifag

there are dozens of us

>>29627379
Sorry Hololive is just too fun.

>>29647443
Stop while you still can and become a proper person by converting to Holoism Anon!

>>29647614
>Stop while you still can and become a proper person by not getting into either
fixed

>>29647614
No thanks. its just a congregation of crossboarders from every worst board in this planet

>>29647443
Better than being into the literal /v/ thread at least.

2hus are bloodthirsty for revenge

>>29651578
>2hus are bloodthirsty for revenge
How do I not get revenged?

>>29673472
sate your 2hu's blood thirst with a borgar instead

>>29673841
Done

>>29627379
I am still a NEET but it doesn't make me happy that I don't have money for figures. I graduate and start working full time next year, but I swear to /jp/ that I will only work the minimum amount to fulfill my hobbies.

i'm from /jp/ 2010 or 2011 and still hikkineet this whole time. It sucks, I don't think it's cool tru/jp/ yamato damashii lifestyle anymore, that wore off a long time ago. I really ruined my life and wasted my 20s.

2009 "newfag" but truNEET all the same here

how

still here, still neet here

>>29642347
I am not a truNEET anymore... sacrificed my honour by going to university.
I still play 2hu daily, but I also started playing gacha games and going to shooting competitions and working out more.
I'll have a job and a family of my own before I know it.
There's nothing that will stop this inevitable tide, even as much as I'd like to return to those simpler days.
I'll be cast out of the jay for sure some day

>>29649900
Which one? Because you can hardly tell holo, niji and indie threads apart

>>29706112
If all the oldfags are now dead this makes you the new oldfag

>>29779047
How is starting a family an "inevitable tide"? Lots of people willingly stay single throughout their entire lives.

>>29797112
Heavy social obligation; I'm a thirdworlder.

>>29797667
The solution is simple.

>>29704438
NEETlyfe isn't for everybody. It takes a truNEET, someone born with the grit required not just to take it easy, but to take it easy forever.

I think one can still be a good /jp/sie even if forced to work

>>29860868
They are still better than /jp/sies that became full normalfags

4chan users aren't necessarily smart but they are crafty. How can we cheat the system and retain the fruits of otaku culture/neetdom while making money? What's the magical easy job that smart otakus fall into?

>>29902664
i got in class A drug dealing i would order from the darkweb, would flip $400 in around $2000
honestly these days i am just thinking of doing it again but i almost got prison time/died once or twice

>>29903800
Good luck, truGangstaNEET.

>>29902664
I was thinking about creating a /jp/ music label

>>29902664
if japan is anything to go by, they all become writers, artists, music producers, etc
if you have unironically enjoyed something otaku culture in the past 25 years, it likely was made by a otaku neet

>>29902664
I have schizophrenia so one half can work and the other can be a listless NEET

>>29902664
idk about others, but a lot of people who dropped out of society become interested in creative stuff like arts, music, or even cooking. Basically shit what normal people wouldn't touch, yes even cooking, the average person now can't cook for shit. These things require a huge amount of dedication (read:autism) which most people don't possess, hence they wageslave, where another person takes the fruit of their labor and they got alms. This works so good that in fact most people are okay with it, so they can continue to live in their comfort zone and security in exchange for freedom.
The only problem with this creative stuff is that there is a huge oversaturation in the market, even more since 'rona, so yeah if you haven't figured it out by now, you are probably not going to do so in your lifetime. It raises questions like: why bother with learning to draw for example when there is another artist with 10+ years experience already who works for peebles, since even he barely can live from month to month, while a wagie gets a lot more money with less effort. Its discouraging, but that's how the world works.

>>29911585
>why bother with learning to draw
Don't you want to draw content that caters to your exact tastes? There's gotta be like one scenario or fetish you never seen drawn by others.
When there is a horny will, there is a way.

>>29911958
Yes, but like I said. I see amazing art pieces and I know I'm light years below that, and the only way I could make it if I sacrificed a lot of things, which I'm not able anymore. Being a depressed and negative peron with minimal will to even live doesn't help either.
Maybe in next life... if that exist.

you people betrayed me first, kept calling me anus, who'd want to stay in a place like this where you get called anus

>>29913100
Fuck you, anus.

/jp/ betrayed me

>>29902664
Research?

The lower tier positions get easy tasks and loads of time. So if you're overqualified, you can spend days working, and weeks taking it easy.

>>29911585
>>29912056
with this generic defeatist attitude, had to check i didnt accidentally end up on /v/

>>29919767
Next time I'll use more buzzwords to fool you.

Always remember you, ZUN!bar

>>29911958
>When there is a horny will, there is a way.
You joke, but I have seen plenty anons go from "Can't even draw a stick figure lol" to being fairly decent artists in a few months by sheer turbo autism and horny will.
Though for most of them it's not even about that, many NEETs just get bored with nothing to do and start creating stuff, before they know it they become quite good at it.
You would be surprised to know just how much free time a NEET really has if they don't waste the entire day shitposting, watching memes and videos or playing online vidya.

>>29919887
He became a norm slave so fuck him.

>>29911585
>the average person now can't cook for shit
you'd be surprised how accurate that is.

>>29642347
I stopped coming here when we got raided by /v/ in 2013 for several weeks and all our threads were constantly killed off. Came back last year for /hlg/.

>>29920566
Well after 1+ years of drawing it still looked like shit. You know you are fucked when you can visibly see you are at the same level as you started. After that a lot of IRL problems came up, added to the already existing ones so I dropped it. It's not even time, rather just complete lack of motivation. You are completely right about the last part, it's insane how time consuming youtube or even simply browsing can be and how it can eat up your productivity. In fact I think it's a lot worse than games, or even watching animu. Maybe it's just being addicted to the internet overall.
>>29921606
It's funny how the world changed whereas this was a basic skill back then especially for women, and now it's forbidden ancient magic tier for majority of people due to takeout culture.

>>29921668
>Came back last year for /hlg/.

>>29922070
By any chance are you American? It seems for some reason they can't get into any creative hobby even with autistic motivation levels.
The anons I have seen with true turbo autism have insane levels of improvement within weeks, a year is enough time for them to get to professional levels of art quality. Coincidentally, none of them were American.

>>29922884
no, yuropean.
It seems like I was oriented towards /fit/ more because I noticed I do possess the autism to calculate macros and calories. Same with cooking and measuring everything. I wanted to draw too, but somehow it just never happened. I also think I have internet addiction, since I didn't found IRL stuff as amusing as internet things.

>>29921606
>>29922070
Even /ck/ is almost entirely just about fast food, frozen food or otherwise store-bought stuff rather than anything about actually cooking your own food these days. It's degraded into frogposting and the usual "twitter/socialmedia screencap of some celebrity complaining" that plagues other boards. I'm starting to think it's some kind of normalfag thing where they complain about something they've either not tried, or are simply not good at (and don't want to improve through practice). /g/ and other "hobby/niche" boards are the same shit these days too. /g/ might as well be a gaming computer hardware board where people occasionally pretend to be experts on programming but actually have no idea what they're talking about.

Your average normalfag doesn't want to put effort into something and will mostly just complain or gossip about the people who do, thus driving the actually productive people out of their own community. I think this is why a lot of those boards have degraded (and by extent the hobbies as well).

>>29627379
sex with handholding feels so good.

im sorry jp!

>>29923145
>Even /ck/ is almost entirely just about fast food, frozen food or otherwise store-bought stuff rather than anything about actually cooking your own food these days.
What?

>>29902664
Reviews of otaku culture and stuff, but with even more seriousness and humor than the normalfag reviewers.
Translation of otaku Japanese and Chinese texts.
Independent research and perhaps even create the academic field of NEET Studies?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_of_Independent_Scholars

I think that's it.

>>29925860
all normalfag ecelebs start as "Reviews of otaku culture but better than normalfags"
then they taste the patreon money and become ironic weeb subhumans watching vtubers all day making normalfag pandering videos
for any otaku that is worse than death, would not wish that on anyone because the money they get doing that is not that good either, you are not going to be the next big eceleb

>>29925158
Get out sex haver

>>29927467
i only fug sluts and i will never raise a family

>>29919887
If only ZUN!bar were here...

>>29919887
>>29929443
I don't know the full story on that guy but I remember seeing his tripcode. Although I'm not sure if it was him since some dude made a bunch of fake trips in some thread. I don't think they were used.

>ZUN!bar
>>>/jp/thread/S12180003#p12180053_39

Time may have changed or taken you.
Some of you may be better off, and some of you are worse for wear.
All the same, Gensokyo has laid claim to you.
You were all once here.

>>29936540
Only the strong know how to deal with time

>>29926869
So you basically need someone who doesn't do it for the money. It's hard, considering YouTube and their drones basically foment this sort of whoring out thing.

>>29925860
Nice can of ass.

>>29949191
how would you do eceleb work not for the money when that anon asked what he can do for money as a neet?
being a youtube eceleb reviewer/"""analysis essayist""" is the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of otaku work, its the sort of thing you do when your life is worthless, you have no talent, and you have no autism to carry you with effort regardless of motivation in literally any other art form
even if you become a anime eceleb, if you have no otaku autism you will give up after a few videos and will become yet another eceleb forever procrastinating working on the next video while twitter/4chan shitposting and watching vtubers because of depression

if you are seriously considering becoming a anime eceleb, consider getting a normalfag job instead, it pays way better despite patreonbux of big ecelebs looking like impressive income

>>29952195
This kinda reminds me how demo got fucked over by youtube, whereas failed normalfag weeb business is booming due to vtubers.

>>29954683
demo was normalfag ironic weeb trash, get better taste

>>29956204
He was probably the only one who I watched, thats why I said it, but even that was long ago. Youtube as a whole became a shit platform.

>>29913100
i really like anuses but only if they're attached to girls or extremely girly looking boys

>>29956556
It's not good anymore that's for sure.
I hope there's competition soon or something. 2015 was the last good year for that site.

>>30007352
I remember that there was the adpocalipse, and most content creators started heavy shilling in videos. I dont remember the year when it was, but that time these shitty anime sites became more accepted, and so did this "lol I watch anime I'm so quirky" culture. Also streaming became more dominant.

If ZUN likes vtubers, what is your excuse?

>>30013281
I'm not an alcoholic.

>>30013281
That depends on who's his favorite.

>>30013281
i'm not zun

>>30013281
even geniuses commit mistakes

>>30013281
He liked Kancolle too
Bandwagoning secondary

>>30013281
Bad idea to openly shit on something popular if you're remotely famous, especially if one of your buddies is connected to it

>>30013281
I will still hate Vtuber sluts

I have enough time and focus to learn a little bit about everything, but not enough to learn a lot about one thing

>>29627379
I'm sorry.
I don't have any family who can support me. Either I make my own money or I don't get to take it easy.
Eventually I got /fit/, started meditating, and going on nature walks. Life just kinda fell into place

I'm 32 now. It's been a while.
I still smile when I see others post my one contribution to board culture

>vtubers will one day be more prominent on /jp/ than 2hus
I guess it couldn't last forever.

>>30013281
doesn't change my dislike for them either way

>>30013281
ZUN is probably not as affected by their spamming as we are.
Also this: >>30014874 >>30052914

>>30052108
too many oldfags went to gensokyo or just left this place after 2015

>>29902664
Military, always military

>>30091198
This if you have nothing better to do.

>>30091198
How?
Unless you were stationed in Japan; do you even get to choose?

>>30099862
>How?
What do you mean how, just be 18 or young and in shape. Alternatively, be fit as possible to get through the trials. There's even stuff on youtube about the navy and how much you need to swim just to qualify.

>Unless you were stationed in Japan; do you even get to choose?
No, don't worry about that. That comes later. Not that you get to choose in the first place. You don't choose anything in the military other than the branch you want to serve in for that matter. You don't say what you want to and don't want to do. The military is straight forward with tasks.
The Navy is for smart people, the Air Force is where its at if you like aviation and so on, but one thing I'll tell you all is avoid the Tank forces.

>>30099862
You don't get to choose where you're stationed, but the gov't takes care of almost everything. You can basically live a NEETtype lifestyle if you play your cards right, and if you are a military otaku, the actual work part is all just extra fun!
Just don't go Armoured, you'll regret it

>>30100968
>>30102508
Holy shit. I never thought I would see the day Army recruiters would finally start pandering to NEETs now.

What's the matter? You're not short of 'smart', 'patriotic' people, considering all the benders who voted for the orange man. Why bait the poor bastards of jaypes?

>>30103011
>Holy shit. I never thought I would see the day Army recruiters would finally start pandering to NEETs now.
I'm not a recruiter, I'm a history buff. It just so happens I know more about the military than most guys I know do.

>>30103011
I'm a Canadian, and not even a recruited. In all honestly I wouldn't recommend joining up here, the budget gets continuously slashed and there's a 50/50 chance you won't get recruited because of diversity reasons even if you meet all the requirements.
And its much harder to ride off the benefits here, aside from our universal healthcare

>>30013281
There’s a balance between liking Vtubers and 2hu and everything. I always loved /jp/, for it made me interested in all this stuff, and I found enjoyment in it as well. 2hu might not be my favorite thing, but I won’t bash this place for not completely liking it, and the growing culture of it. Everyone’s gonna see them differently, but it’s up to you if they’re funny or not, and if you care.

why would /jp/sies visit /hololive/, the most popular board on 4channel when it comes to thread-to-post-per-hour ratio?

>>30103699
>/jp/sies
>/hololive/
Made me reply.
see >>/jp/thread/S28978923#p30000000

>>29919887
I saw what happened, but what caused his leave? I only saw the post regarding the situation.

>>30103807
those replies made me want to kill myself

>>30104065
don't forget the disgustingly large amount of people mistaking it as a touhou get.

>>30104065
don't forget the disgustingly large amount of people mistaking it as a touhou get, really reminds me of the "axe wound spoiler" situation

>>30103473
there really isn't, streamers and vtubers are a normalfag thing, the only way they are related to /jp/ or otaku culture is an anime girl image pretending to move on screen
cant even use the excuse they are speaking in japanese so i learn japanese while watching because vtuberfags are now flocking to the hololive english streamers
liking vtubers has always been a sign of being an ironic weeb and a secondary

>>30103011
the army being a glorified welfare program filled with weebs is nothing new, friend.

>>30105672
It's not even limited to America
I was interacting with Greek conscripts and they even have anime days where they watch anime together.

>>30103473
You will always be hated around here, holofaggot.

>>30103699
The moderation team really has to do something
It's ridiculous, the archive feature is essentially useless now

>>30107907
Hiro and his cocksucking team don't care about the slower boards

>>29902664
All the replies here involve doing shit. True NEETdom is living off autismbux and doing the same thing you do every day, eat, sleep, game, shit, cum.

>>30107907
>>30108314
>the slower boards
We're top 10 on the site, top 5 when it's their golden time and in at least one probably two cases the fastest board on the site. We're not slow anymore, and good threads get bumped off for this shit. Still mad the thread about Azmaya's new manga fell like a rock into the abyss.

the past has happened /jp/, the fun times we remember are over. but don't be sad, if you're still here you just need to do your best to make times fun again, both for yourself and others - even the new guys. ganbare

>>30105597
great post. also you have to be a braindead zoomer in the first place to even see any real appeal for holofagging because it stems from a brain formed by streamer culture in its impressionable years. its literally a newfag filter

>>30108784
fuck off

>>30108784
The new guys are literally turning this into a board for twitch streams. I like some twitch streamers, but /jp/ isn't the fucking place for them. I'd prefer hearing about whats her face, the camgirl vtuber, than some random fucking english streamers.
I refuse to take it easy.

>>30108675
>We're not slow anymore
/jp/ WILL ALWAYS BE SLOW
BECAUSE WE DO IT SLOWLY~
I WILL TAKE IT EASY, NO MATTER WHAT

No one can change this

Just push the vtubers and 3D internet celebs to their own containment board like literally what /v/ did with pokemon and /co/ with ponies and we won't have to worry about good threads getting bumped away

>>30109028
Can't push things out if mods actively fight against it.

>>30108314
"Let's make sure to give /v/ a few new boards!"
"...What's that? /jp/ wants a spinoff board too to help mitigate traffic and improved moderation?"
"Silly /jp/, you're a fucking trashbin! A trashbin for the otaku/japanese rubbish of the site!"

t. Hiro & Friends

in a way jp had this coming by being so caustic towards anyone trying to jaypee outside of the box for 10 years. you guys paired yourself down to like a handful of anons and then when you get your shitpushed in by hundreds if not thousands of zoomers who dont give a fuck about board culture, you are outgunned.

maybe you should have been a little bit nicer and welcoming and when this time came you'd have had more reinforcements. i remember when when you pocket jannies had me rooting for jp deletion back before moot left, enjoy your karma

>>30109172
fuck off moot

>>30109172
this but with /cgl/ and /po/

>>30109110
the mods are newfag trannies that erp on the moderation boards and IIRC

They don't care about old /jp/, just how they want the NEW /jp/ to be
Means they won't kick out their fake virtual pretend-friend streamers

>>30109172
And if we had more people what would we do? Spam the threads? The mods have said this shit belongs here, support it being here and have actively introduced additional outside trash into /jp/ from other boards like the djt, bringing all the garbage associated with it. They don't care about /jp/ and even if /jp/ had triple the number of users it did before the vtuber plague hit we couldn't outgun them because they have the nuclear option on their side: the mods.

>>30109204
A couple of bad mods ruined /cgl/ and one of the best based female spots on the internet with a few bad calls. fuck I cry over how amazing cgl used to be before they took away out lulcows and bullying

>>30109309
4chan is board culture and board culture is a numbers game. you dont have to have a nuke option to influence boards and threads. you just need to have enough based anons who know how to piss off newfags or at the very least keep their own threads relevant, populated. and fast

>>30109427
you have no idea what you are talking about and your ``newness'' oozes from the very pores of your posts

>>30109427
If people could scare /v/ off of 4chan, the entire site would have by now.

>>30109454
Im only "new" to jp I just happened to be here for another reason and Im bitter because you assholes would delete on topic threads otaku threads simply because it was new. I swear you niggers had mods just ip banning anyone with a low post history about 8+ years back.

Maybe you gave your mods too much power as well and thats also part of the problem all I know is this is my long-awaited schadenfreude

>>30109526
>mods just ip banning anyone with a low post history
If mods had this option, they'd ban every /pol/poster from every other board on the site. And no anon gave mods too much power, for a long time they could be influenced, but when mods are actively lurking cancer threads and bringing back something this board hasn't seen in years just to make shitty memes like >>30109110 there's nothing would could have ever done at any point.

>>30109584
well you might be right. I still think it stands to reason that you'd have a healthier selection pool of mods and jannies in healthier boards with more unique posters that accumulated slowly overtime and robust board culture enforcement.

jp was one of the most, if not the most, xenophobic board back in the "good old days" which is fine in moderation but you took it too far, got too niche, and therefor irrelevent.

holofag threads now exist to justify this boards existence whether you like it or not.

>>30109740
Is that why holofags get their shit deleted if they post outside of their containment thread?

>>30109740
We don't select our mods or janitors, the quality of the board regardless of what you or I think of it has nothing to do with the moderation either, behind what specific board-jokes stay around I guess, but if you want to make the argument that flanfly is a cancer then you'd have already lost. And an incredibly fast thread doesn't justify a boards existence; there's dozens of boards who were equally if not slower than /jp/ a couple years ago and a handful who told newfags to fuck off too; are you going to say they also deserve to have /v/ take over?

I really don't get your point.

>>30109740
holofags will never be accepted here and we don't need them in any way nor do we need to "justify" our existence as a board
You just seem tilted for some past reason. Sorry /jp/ didn't like your shitty thread years ago.

moot literally in the past came to /jp/ with the moderation team and asked if /jp/ wanted to have a separate Touhou board split off, and we decided against it.
At least the moderation team actively engaged with the posters back then.
Now they just ignore us completely while they circlejerk in containment threads

If /jp/ agreed to have Touhou stay here, and English visual novels to be on /vg/, why are we ignored when we want virtual streamers to put elsewhere?

>>30109812
My point is that in a metasense these calls are pragmatic. The fact the generals are in /jp/ rather than /v/ or /vg/ or wherever is because there is an opening in a board this dead. I dont think you guys really realize how dead you are other than like /djt/(who arent even jp) or said holo threads. not saying you have to be like /b/ or /v/ but there is a healthy middleground.

I am 110% sure that if /jp/ was healthy as say /biz/ or /tv/ mods would not have stuck you with hololive cancer. And therefor your cunty attitude towards actually productive otaku threads/generals that weren't your particular brand of autism is a huge contributing factor.
>>30109833
Whether you think mod/janny selection is luck or politics either way you have better results when the pool of candidates is larger and more representative of board culture. When there is only like 200 regular posters and only a few of them would bother to apply its a lot likely they are gonna be some literal discord tranny with an axe to grind compared to a board like say /int/.
This is basic stuff.

>>30110054
What part of "we don't select our mods or janitors" was unclear? They're not the userbase from here, they get brought into other boards all the time. For all you or I know, the guy(s) who are avidly fighting to keep those threads around are from /int/ in the first place, just got shuffled around over the years.

>>30110158
the fuck? i thought janny/mod selection was board specific? how long has this shuffling been a thing?
if this is true, I must have been sleeping on the stuff going on with Hiroshimoot

back in the day you really saw a distinct moderation style that was absolutely board to board.

>>30110054
What do you consider to be "dead" in regards to /jp/ if you think holothreads and /djt/ are what gives it life? Do you really consider these to be "productive otaku threads/generals?"

Slow threads? Not too many posters?
Those are good things.

And please don't use /biz/ or /tv/ as examples of "healthy" boards. Those boards themselves would disagree with you there. Don't compare us to them either. They are different boards with different cultures.

Even if we had more posters, many would still be too lazy to apply for janitor positions

>>30110235
Since the start...? Moderators have always been global, and jannies working on boards aside from their initially applied ones have also happened. It's why in some boards you can see posts get deleted, reply to them, and a dozen other posts you don't like and then get all of those posts deleted. Cuz jannies don't care about the boards they don't care about. That's why there's so much focus on the terms "assigned" instead of "applied" and an implication that you'll end up having to better the site outside of just your board.

But we're talking about mods in the cases of bans. Your whole logic doesn't make sense and a single glance at the rules, FAQ, and application pages would have told you otherwise.

>>30110293
>Slow threads? Not too many posters?
>Those are good things.
this is like the internet equivalent of Alzheimers and the kind of mindset that I am griping about but whatever think as you like. You think you have it all figured out but you are a drooling invalid the zoomers are just gonna push out of the way while they do what they do.
>Do you really consider these to be "productive otaku threads/generals?"
you know I dont and thats the point, your own "people" became too scant to have their own lively threads and population so you are getting Great Replacement'ed

>>30110235
Moderators/Janitors for other boards are granted moderation rights for our/other boards all the time when they get "promoted" (suck enough cock)

>>30110464
you quit it with your offboard memes

no need to be aggravated that we aren't welcoming to people who don't lurk more

>>30110464
The reason why you got bullied out of the board years ago to the point of clearly traumatizing you isn't because you were a 'zoomer' or 'new'; it's because of what you're doing right now probably happened back then too. You built an argument on flimsy ground, in this case 'the board shapes the mods' which even named forums that's debatable on, when in reality for most places including here especially it's the other way around. And more importantly you built your whole logic on the idea that janitors only stay on one board in their entire lives, and moderators only stay within the assigned board that they don't have. You're blowing shit out your ass about how right you are when you weren't for a second. Stop posting.

>>30110054
>/biz/ or /tv/
>healthy boards
>thinking this board is dead
are you another /a/ tourist here only for the holofag threads? or a /v/ tourist that thinks this board is dead because is not as fast as t/v/itch chat holofag threads?

>>29786617
Look at me.
Look at me.
I'm the oldfag now.

>>30112795

>>30107113
You seem angrier that I exist and appreciate /jp/ culture just because I enjoy the thing you hate, which is stupid.

>>30114436
I don't care if you appreciate /jp/ culture, holofags are all scum to me.

>>30115270
Again, why? Is it because they stole an artist away from you? Is it because they’re fun to watch? Is it because it’s a “fad” in your eyes? Is it because they play games and they’re still idols? Is it because of the actual bad people from /v/ deterring your opinion of them? Because that’s all applicable to 2hu. Look at what’s happened to that place also: it’s been ransacked like Rome before, and I hate looking at the new 2hu fandom, because it feels lifeless. The new games are fun, but I don’t feel the same enjoyment and wonder I had for the lore and music years ago. You can choose to be open minded, or you can choose to be the stubborn old man, and doesn’t have fun with anything before it’s too late, and you flatline

how is hololive /jp/ related

All you do are just delusional one-liners (like this discord board) with old pixiv and danbooru reposts of literally who Japanese artists drawing anime girls which are resembling the characters from the series.
I hope you guys will one day understand that being part of this dying fandom didn't progress you as person and you are bound in your little circlejerk box of not doing anything else besides Touhou.
Only listening to Touhou music and boomer songs ZUN seems to like; only watching and reading shitty Touhou comics and memes; only playing bad shmups and games which include Touhou characters, also Team Fortress 2 for some reason (poorfags); only ever watch basic meme anime like Jojo which is also referenced a lot in the games, therefore only knowing Touhou characters and can't really name anyone else and so on. Almost everyone in their Touhou phase is a fucking hivemind, which most likely never even played any of the shmup entries and just masturbate to anime girls wearing the costumes of ZUN's characters. MUH ETERNAL ONAHOLE. In its infancy the Touhou fandom was creative and welcome, but now nothing happens anymore besides post-ironic waifu posting. Come home white man and swallow the vtuberpill, understand Touhou is just an otaku game series of many, ZUN is not a special person, he is a hack. Become an interesting person again and not a waifu posting 2houtard.

Rate my pasta

All of this hololive targeting in particular when there are also 2 more threads attracting literal /v/ reeks of circlejerk

>>30115653
>Again, why?
Stopped reading there
It's the same cancerous twitch community and nothing new. E-celeb shit doesn't belong on /jp/.

>>30115653
The problem is that they are otaku works made by non-otaku and designed to be consumed by non-otaku. Idolshit is made by non-otaku but is designed to be consumed by otaku, so it is half-hated.

Hololive is taking the recent popularity of otaku things, and using them to create otaku media, but that media is not for otaku. That's why people don't like it. More correctly, it's made for the next generation of otaku, and the current otaku do not like it.

The gacha and mobage also appeal to this generation of otaku, the current generation hates it because it feels alien to them, and because it does not include the elements that appeal to them, because it was not made for them. This feeling of seeing things move away from yourself is kind of a feeling like dying, which is why the reaction is so strong. You were once the new otaku, and now you are becoming the old otaku, and things are being made for what will be the new otaku.

>>30115653
You vtuber faggots should stop trying to shift the conversation to 2hu every time and realize that everyone on the board hates you, not just the 2hufags.

>>30115653
nice (you) bait, i can tell you are used to shitposting
>watching someone else play the games
>not playing the games yourself for fun instead
you can cry telling others to be open minded all you want, this at minimum makes you a forever secondary
>finding enjoyment from seeing someone chew though fotm games and plebbit cult classics like fast food while spouting memes and acting out on stream
>not playing over and over the same games you love and thinking of the lore or just having fun while looking for more games you may like
this makes you an eceleb chasing faggot, go back
the only otaku culture about them is that they are anime, and they are not even properly animated, they don't even have breathing animations, making them lower budget than CH games from the early PS3 era

>>30116414
its not even a otaku work, its normalfag streamers attracting secondaries with cute anime girl.png instead of a white neckbeard face cam
at least mobage actually try by making it a game and hire real VAs, giving each character lore and most have world building lore, all things that otaku can obsess over, you can use the usual /v/ argument of animegirl.png and turn based games not being real games, but otaku have been playing exactly that for decades

>You vtuber faggots should stop trying to shift the conversation to 2hu every time and realize that everyone on the board hates you, not just the 2hufags.

>>30117410
>cant even hide you are a /v/faggot for longer than 2 posts
you tried

>>30116318
you stopped reading because you hate the truth. look at this thread: you’ve become the old man.

>>30117410
>soy93.png
You have a reservoir of these images somewhere, don't you?
Some shared filebank for the purposes of shilling?
Isn't that right?

>>30117354
>this forever makes you a secondary
huh? If I’m gonna watch someone play a game I know, I’m gonna watch that and I enjoy it. That makes me a secondary if I’m watching someone play it anyways? That’s how you introduce someone to a game or show or anything. We all have been secondaries by that logic, because we have to start somewhere

>>30117946
I don't typically introduce people to games by having them sit through hours of some slut playing poorly.

>>30118033
I didn’t get into 2hu because of some slimeball otaku playing the games and saying how much they wanted to lick flans feet either

>>30116229
>>30117410
Is this guy just trolling?

>>30117834
Yes, but rather for "your own jak" references

>>30118130
If only there was a middle ground between shitposts on 4chan and ecelebs who are trying to sell themselves more than the game...

>>30118130
this is exactly how i got into touhou, a otaku friend told me about eosd because of the music and the girls, and hes still a flanfag to this day

>>30117354
>its not even a otaku work
It's very clearly a spectacle constructed to appeal to an obsessive fan market. You cannot reject vtubers while simultaneously acknowledging something like
>giving each character lore and most have world building lore, all things that otaku can obsess over
Vtubers are yuru-chara come to life, their designs are otaku-like, their speech patterns are otaku-like, they are very clearly otaku works. If you followed the same process used to make a vtuber, and instead selected aspects that would appeal to an older market, a 90s otaku market, and made them VN protagonists you would certainly be very successful. But, they are not made for the market of the ahoge, the maid costume, the childhood friend, the robot-moe. They're made for the new generation of otaku. Gacha and mobage are the same way. What relation would an otaku have to a mobage? Of course, our otaku, our otaku that came of age in the 90s, is stuck to his PC. He posts online on websites, IRC is already slowly going out of fashion. He watches anime on TV, and has a nice VCR to record shows and step through them frame by frame. He accumulates manga, and he might have a homepage where he blogs or leaves reviews.

Why would this personal play mobage? he is never more than 20 feet from his PC. Mobage don't appeal to him at all. Gacha, similarly, can't really appeal to him. He, in effect, plays gacha games, but he is obsessed with the collection of goods. How can you tell someone who has a hoard of physical goods, a giant collection, that his collection is meaningless and he can have a digital collection instead? It's impossible. The very fact that the desire to have that collection is strong enough for it to exist in the first place proves that it is too strong to change.

Just as you cannot sell mobage, vtubers, and gacha to the 90s otaku, you cannot sell VNs, yuru-chara, and stickers to the otaku of the 10's. The modern otaku uses discord, streams anime, reads manga on their phone, plays mobage on their phone, plays gacha on their phone. Their obsessions are digital obsessions. As the extreme otaku carried their obsessions with them, as button jackets, headbands, etc., that process has been streamlined by giving the modern, digital otaku the ability to bring their digital obsessions everywhere they go on their smartphone. It will always change, and change can only go in one direction.

gathering the rains
of the wet season — swift
the Mogami River

>>30118291
All of their digital possessions will disappear in a decade when the servers shut down. But it won't matter because they'll have moved on to the newest fad, like the trend hopper they are.

>>30118500
Of course, but just as it is impossible for you to understand that, they find it equally impossible that you would want to endlessly accumulate physical possessions. They are not happy despite their obsessions being digital, they are happy because they are digital.

>>30118500
There are trend hoppers, but I don’t trendhop. You latch onto something because you still enjoy that thing, but other people will move on and think that this next thing is a greener pasture. It’s already happening with hololive, because there are people who think that there’s more out there, and they wanna venture out for the smaller indies. That’s how life is in general: we all move onto something else in the end

>>30118291
You seem obsessed on proving that your "modern" tastes are the way to go. And the VN scene is bigger than it has ever been, at least in the West.

Why not stick to discord then? /jp/ was made years ago and uses an outdated imageboard format. It only makes sense we would prefer established past avenues of otaku media consumption to modern forms.

If vtubers and gacha are the only future for otaku media, why not use modern social media platforms like discord, twitch, or twitter? Leave us stuck in the past and bring your steamers with you.

>>30118500
Yes, printed paper is an indestructible material and old discs from will never rot

>>30118597
>>30118750

>>30117803
What truth? That holoshitters are just cancerous twitchfags?

>>30118706
>You seem obsessed on proving that your "modern" tastes are the way to go. And the VN scene is bigger than it has ever been, at least in the West.
Anon, I spend my time in IRC, posting on imageboards, and working on a web1.0 style blog. I only like static web pages, I hate modern operating systems, the only console I own is a PS2. I play quake and shmups on a CRT I've had for two decades now. I am the anachronism, you cannot find anyone as stuck in the past as I am. Having said that, there's no reason for me to try and blind myself to the things that are happening. Are modern tastes not the way to go? The market says otherwise. There is no point in pretending that something that is clearly dying is perfectly healthy. Everything dies, it isn't a sad thing.
>This feeling of seeing things move away from yourself is kind of a feeling like dying, which is why the reaction is so strong.
I said this, and I believe it to be true, but I hope that /jp/ can accept that time has passed, and will continue to pass, and be happy despite that. Whatever you might cite as a VN boom, it is nothing compared to the popularity of Key in 1999 and 2000. Maybe there has been a spike recently, but VNs are declining in popularity, and they will continue to decline. It's just the way things are.

>>30118986
Hope you will have enough real life RNG to keep something like this happening to your collection for another 3650 days

>>30118291
>Vtubers are yuru-chara come to life, their designs are otaku-like, their speech patterns are otaku-like, they are very clearly otaku works.
for like the first week of their debut, after that they get too lazy to stay on character and only acknowledge it on passing remark jokes when they remember
after a month they forget character and either go back to being normalfags with animegirl.png or become shitpost machines incarnate
> If you followed the same process used to make a vtuber, and instead selected aspects that would appeal to an older market, a 90s otaku market, and made them VN protagonists you would certainly be very successful.
not true even with today's lower standards, their designs and lore are generic as fuck, if made into a VN they would be forgotten even among the piles of generic shit released back in the day
what surprised me is there is a process to make a vtuber, why the fuck they look so generic when they can reasonably grab someone off pixiv and hire them to design their looks? the average pixiv fantasia oc has more lore behind them and looks better than the average vtuber
>the whole rant about otaku and physical and digital media
honestly i can tell you never met or talked to a otaku hiki in your life, those fags will die before willingly parting with their physical media collection
>Just as you cannot sell mobage, vtubers, and gacha to the 90s otaku,
you can sell mobage and gacha to the 90s otaku, a great majority of japanese companies who previously made games they liked either disappeared or turned to gacha companies, and modern low autism otaku dont know how to make games, cant draw, cant make music, cant code for shit, so all your new game options are rpgmaker porn games, which can be nice but there is no way you will find another labyrinth of touhou 2 that easily nowadays, when back then it used to be fairly common, just look at the piles of untranslated touhou fangames that are still being made today
that means the gameplay they like is either gacha or make your own game, which many of them are actually autistic enough to do and make a company out of it, why do you think arknights and honkai are made by otaku? its not coincidence
>you cannot sell VNs, yuru-chara, and stickers to the otaku of the 10's.
because they are all ironic weeb trash with adhd that would rather die than pay attention to something for longer than 5 minutes, you can make them whale in a gacha banner before they quit the game in a month for the next fotm gacha, but those faggots are not going to give you money long term

>>30119218
Physical destruction and never actually owning anything are pretty different, but I guess it's hard to understand when you've never really owned anything.

>>30119159
so I’m a twitchfag now?

>>30119240
>honestly i can tell you never met or talked to a otaku hiki in your life, those fags will die before willingly parting with their physical media collection
Read
>How can you tell someone who has a hoard of physical goods, a giant collection, that his collection is meaningless and he can have a digital collection instead? It's impossible. The very fact that the desire to have that collection is strong enough for it to exist in the first place proves that it is too strong to change.

/jp/ may not be a slow board anymore, but please try and take the time to read my posts before responding.

It's hard for me to imagine that the companies making vtubers could not put out at least a passingly popular character in the 90's, or that Key would somehow be incapable of making a successful vtuber.

>you can sell mobage and gacha to the 90s otaku
None of the people I keep in contact with have any interest in gacha or mobage, and all the interest I have seen has been from the late 00's and 10's crowd, but I suppose it could be an anecdote. I would argue instead that there was a group of proto-modern otaku who were receptive to modern otaku media, but were born earlier. I cannot imaging the typical 90's otaku playing mobage or obsessing over digital-style gacha games.

>but those faggots are not going to give you money long term
This is very optimistic considering how much money is being made of gacha today. Certainly it's enough to justify the initial cost of investment, whether or not it even matters if it lasts long term isn't clear yet.

>>29779047
You disgust me

>>30119664
you dont get to use the argument i cant read your posts when you cant understand the point
intentionally obfuscating this shit wont change vtubers are normalfag shit, the idol is not making a product like songs and merch to sell, they themselves dont make anything, they dont even sing, the product is shitposting
the few that at least try use autotune make one or two songs and then fuck off back to shitposting because it makes more money than having to work making an album
there is no irl events, no merch, no fan meetings in person, all you get is a youtube video, its just not the same, calling themselves "idols" doesnt make them idols
while i cant talk for everyone, a lot of otaku want from media is worldbuilding to fantasize and get lost in those fantasies or want characters they can obsess over and follow their story, mobage and gacha have this, the good ones anyway
vtubers have no worldbuilding, its an excuse and window dressing, they have no lore and character, they are character quirks to spice the shitposting
the fact you cant understand this and probably scoffs at anyone pointing this out tells me you are an ironic weeb faggot that cant get invested in anything unironically

>>30119286
Yo, I'm free to pirate anything ever released up to PS3 console games without feeling guilty because no one will lose or earn anything on it anymore besides collectors and can own it all on an external harddrive, just need to download some emulators, plug a XBOX controller in and can play anytime I want on the same system.

>>30105597
Your basis for what is otaku culture should be actual otaku, who are moving onto vtubers en masse, even on futaba. I understand not liking it, I hated it myself at first, but after giving it a chance it turned out fun. The donation aspect is strange, but if you don't like it you can avoid the bigger companies. I do agree Western vtubers don't belong though. This stuff is the new trend of a different generation, they like it because it's exciting and new and no one knows where it's headed. But if you'd like the board to remain a time capsule of what otaku culture was, that could be done. If you want this, go to site feedback and use the board suggestion form. Vtubers will get their own board and things will return to normal.

In all I wish people didn't take things so seriously. It's just the internet.

every thread that slightly reminisces about /jp/ turns into this huge meta arguement
not that it is bad on its own, it just sure would be nice to have mods listen to anons actual wants and needs that come from a good place instead of more /v/ boards for more ad renevue
>inb4 deleted for complaining

>>30120466
>intentionally obfuscating this shit wont change vtubers are normalfag shit
I was doing my best to explain it as clearly as possible anon, if you don't understand something tell me what it is and I'll try to explain more clearly.

>while i cant talk for everyone, a lot of otaku want from media is worldbuilding to fantasize and get lost in those fantasies or want characters they can obsess over and follow their story
This is certainly true, and again, that's why I've been explicitly calling these otaku works. I believe they are, they just appeal to a new generation of otaku.

>vtubers have no worldbuilding
Of course, and I acknowledge this. This is why I've always been comparing them to yuru-chara. This isn't actually the case, or it isn't the full story, I just did it for the sake of expedience, I can explain the progression fully here.

Early in the 60's the obsession of characters certainly existed, moe was certainly alive and well, despite what people want to believe. Look at Francoise from 009, it's certainly not developed to the point we would expect from media in the 90's, or now, but she is certainly a "moe" character. Through the 70's and into the 80's, moe developed and we have features like the ahoge, which are physical features of the character, and moe elements relating to the story, like a mysterious past, childhood friend, etc. This continues much the same, and moe features accumulate. There are now tons of moe features, to the point where little sister maid robots with ahoge are statements that make a lot of sense, the granularity is greatly increased. Then, at the turn of the 90's, a big schism begins to form. Before, where we had two forms of moe existing in much the same space, a form begins to split off, what I'll call temporarily chara-moe. Ayanami Rei is the perfect example of this. Where, regardless of her place in Evangelion, people began to obsess over the character for the character itself. This evolved into Di Gi Charat, probably the best example of the time where the characters, and the chara-moe, were the main focus to the point that it flipped over everything else. In the early 00's, this reached another peak, yuru-chara. Where characters were created, molded out of various forms of chara-moe, outside of any story. Maybe a backstory was added, but it's a side note on a wiki. The character itself is important, it exists outside of any external plot or context. Vtubers are our current iteration of yuru-chara, characters built out of various chara-moe, with the intent of appealing to various groups. In the case of hololive, this chara-moe are new, and very alien to the otaku of the 90's, but the form itself is the same. It's just made out of new building blocks. This is why I say vtubers are otaku media, this is very clearly the case.
>The problem is that they are otaku works made by non-otaku and designed to be consumed by non-otaku.
This holds true, but instead I would argue that those non-otaku who consume otaku works like otaku, must in fact be otaku. They're just a form of otaku we haven't seen before.

>>30121295
>In all I wish people didn't take things so seriously. It's just the internet.
This is the thing I think /jp/ has lost the most, and it hurts more to see it than it did for the rest of the internet because it was such a part of the culture. I think it's possible for all of these things to exist at the same time, time will always move forward. I don't want everyone on /jp/ to only be able to be happy in a time that only existed ten years ago. You can't swim in the same river twice.

>>30121706
Is the chara-moe of vtubers anything more than their physical appearance? They don't seem any different to me than regular Youtubers. Building off of that, do you consider regular Youtubers to be modern idols and their fans (who can blow obscene amounts of money on their favorite Youtubers) to be otaku as well?

>>30121706
>fails to understand anything
>still tries to force the same previous argument while sounding like a malformed combination of a faggot analysis eceleb and a /a/fag
>the argument ends up devolving to gibberish buzzwords
why do i even try

>open catalog
>see threads
>hololive
>hololive global
>nisanji
>the hololive ones go at /v/ or /vg/ speed
>indistinguishable from /v/ but anime, or what twitch chat would be if they could post images
>some non-vtuber threads are a month old and comfy
get your own board faggtots

>>30122168
>Is the chara-moe of vtubers anything more than their physical appearance?
No, and I'm restricting the term of chara-moe to only refer to physical appearance. It's distinct from "moe" itself, which has other elements. Time-traveler can be a moe element, childhood friend, a vocal quirk (like desu), these can all be moe. But, these are moe elements that you would not recognize simply from an image. Chara-moe are the purely visual elements of moe. Yuru-chara are in essence, purely visual moe creations.

>They don't seem any different to me than regular Youtubers
They're distinct from regular youtubers because they're built up from chara-moe, in that, the chara-moe are the primacy and the vtuber is what results. Normal youtubers, or streamers, are not really otaku works because they exist as an original. It's an original which may contain certain moe elements, and maybe they accentuate some aspects that could be considered chara-moe, but these always follow the original thing. For this same reason I don't consider Youtubers to be idols, since the idol-like behaviour follows the original.

For an idol, or yuru-chara, the concept of a fake personality trait doesn't make sense, because there is no "real". They are only "fake" traits, because that is the point. The "real" is just a collection of "fake" that is taken at face value as "fake" known to be "fake", which in turn constitutes the "real" that the viewers want. It wouldn't make sense to point out that an idol wearing a maid costume, or a schoolgirl outfit, is not actually a maid or a schoolgirl. That was never the point, none of the audience would expect that to be the case, what they're there for is exactly the fake maid, the fake schoolgirl, and that is in turn "real". This enjoyment of intentionally consuming fake things and enjoying them for themselves as fakes, is the defining feature of otaku. I don't believe that youtubers follow this this method, and I don't think that their audience consumes media in this way. Even if the youtubers are "fake", they are not consumed as a real "fake". The audience is tricked, intentionally or not, into consuming the fake as real. Not, as in otaku media, as consuming the fake as a fake, which in turn becomes real.

So, in the case of youtubers,
Fake > (fake) Real
a fake which is believed to be real

In otaku media
Fake > Fake > Real
A fake which is understood to be a fake, or a "real" fake.

Vtubers follow the otaku model, there is no pretense that they are anything other than chara-moe, nobody would care if you pointed that out. They are consumed this way intentionally, by an audience that is looking for those fakes. Anthropomorphism, various vocal quirks (this is not chara-moe but it works very similarly), various accessories, the people who watch vtubers are watching them looking for these things. This is a very otaku like media.

>>30122863
>chara-moe
which eceleb you watch made a video with this buzzword that you keep repeating it?

>>30122772
This unironically

>>30122772
thye're all /jp/ related faggot, it's you who needs to leave to /v/ with your shitty outdated franchise

>>30122863
But the only fake part of vtubers seems to be their appearance, at least after a time. I don't really have any exposure to them first hand, but from what I've see elsewhere the average vtuber fan seems to completely disregard the 2D/3D barrier and effectively sees the vtuber as a Youtuber with an anime avatar.

>>30123435
>thinking most from /jp/ are only here because of touhou
>implying touhou would be the only reason anyone would want to stay away from /v/ and stop that shit from coming here with holofaggotry

>>30122987
It's a term I came up with anon, I don't think it explains very well what I mean so I'm working on other names for it. I also don't have names for other aspects of moe elements, like the ones I mentioned.

>>30123548
>But the only fake part of vtubers seems to be their appearance
Yes, I agree completely, and this is why I would ignore in this cases something like
>various vocal quirks
because they are very quickly moved past as something that is unimportant. This is why I view vtubers as an evolution of yuru-chara, what they are doing and saying is totally unimportant, it's just a vessel to consume chara-moe. I think you could have, and I'm sure we will eventually see, vtuber newscasters, lecturers, etc. This works well because the other aspects of vtubers that exist are unimportant, that you could have them doing literally anything, and they would still function to distribute chara-moe. So, maybe a vtuber who did lectures or educational content could not have a some sort of vocal cue, -desu, -kana, gao, etc. because what they are saying is actually important. I don't think anyone would argue, or at least anyone who likes vtubers, that this takes away from the appeal, since the appeal started as entirely visual in the first place. So just as vtubers are just regular youtubers with an avatar, I expect that we will also see regular whatever with an avatar in the future as well. Since, just as you said, the avatar is the only important part.

>>30122772
If you're gonna complain from the cancer angle, go look at a DJT thread.

>>30123435
You got a lot of nerve, punk
/jp/ is our turf

>>30123898
It seems like a rather tenuous difference to me, and I'm not fully convinced that most vtuber fans would actually care if they dropped the avatar. More than anything what I don't understand is if the appeal is singularly the appearance why are they flocking to vtubers and not a more interesting visual medium. Nothing about this seems to suggest anything positive about the sort of people that enjoy vtubers.

>>30124186
>It seems like a rather tenuous difference to me,
Maybe, but it's important to understand how kinds of otaku works develop. I guess, in that regard, it really isn't important unless it's something that you're very interested in.

>and I'm not fully convinced that most vtuber fans would actually care if they dropped the avatar.
Maybe, but this is pretty normal. Only a fraction of the people who watch Sailor Moon are otaku. Is it unrelated to otaku culture? It's the same way with things like Evangelion and Gundam, these both have massive appeal with normal people who enjoy them simply as fun shows. Maybe fans of vtubers are watching them just as a change, or enjoying them as normal youtubers, but the fans who watch almost only vtubers, obsess over if this one or that one is better, if a certain thing is cute, etc. are certainly otaku. Especially those who are interested in derivative works, kinds of doujinshi, fan drawings, etc. This interest in fan works is actually one of the defining features of what I'm talking about. Since the original itself is enjoyed intentionally as a "fake", not very much distinction is made between fan works, doujinshi, and the original content. The vtuber otaku consumes all of them, and enjoys them, because what he is consuming is the chara-moe. Where ever he can get the chara-moe, he consumes it, it doesn't matter what the "original" source is.
>Nothing about this seems to suggest anything positive about the sort of people that enjoy vtubers.
I'd probably agree with this, more specifically, I don't watch any vtubers, and don't completely understand the appeal myself. It doesn't really align with my interests in any way. I can't find it in myself to hate them though, they're different and I don't really understand them, but they're not as distant as someone who enjoys reality TV, or follows politics, or any other kind of non-otaku hobby. I'm very happy to enjoy the things that I like, and they can enjoy the things that they like. I'd prefer it if they weren't on /jp/, since their style of posting and the topics they discuss aren't really compatible, but I don't hate them. I'm having a good time posting with my friends on the jay, spending time hanging out in the own zone, and whatever else is happening around me doesn't really affect this enjoyment. I'm just taking it easy.

>>30124611
>knows nothing about otaku culture, a clear outsider
>speaks like he is an academic expert on otaku culture

>>30125002
I've participated in all types of otaku culture I've talked about anon, I'm interested in how early 00's otaku cultured developed into the culture we have today, because I lived it. It affects how I view otaku culture today, and the way I view otaku culture today affects how I view what I experienced in the past. I don't think it's very important, but it's something that I find very interesting. I also have found it very helpful in my own life, and I'd like if it other anons found it helpful too, or at least found it interesting.

Please don't abuse the quote function.

>>30124186
It's difficult to explain why people like vtubers, but I can assure you the avatar is not the only reason. In fact I'd argue that it's actually the less important factor

>>30125162
are you seriously proud of having "participated" in shit like gundam, evangelion and fanart like it's the deepest part of otaku culture anyone can reach?

>>30121523
The only thing mods want to hear anymore is "what's that anon? You want a third hololive thread?".

>>30115653
2hu this, 2hu that. There was a poster in the im@s thread expressing his disdain for you. Nobody outside your general likes you in any capacity.

>>30117354
>plebbit
Ironic you bring that up. I want you to guess; genuinely guess, all of you, on how many views these videos have. Rough number. Spitball it. Sky's the fuckin' limit.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw58RgSzDmjpZuXyo26fC2zEKVPvA8HZ5 And here's the link for those who want to die when they see the answer

>>30128165
I already know the ballpark range. I don't need to look. That shit gets anywhere from 700-2.

>>30128165
Is it 2m each? What's a popular number on youtube today?
Surely not 10m

>>30128165
>>30128225
~200k, so 1k in revenue per episode not counting donos, I assume these are just browsing reddit? Is that it?

I honestly don't know how to interpret these numbers, anecdotally I've seen really dumb shit with 20m so I have no idea if this is insane or not. I just use youtube for obscure music and guides.

>>30128165
>r*ddit meme dragon pulls numbers that really low
not what i expected, youtube keeps recommending me subbed garbage meme compilations that include her that have way more views, often twice as many
>vtuber faggots are secondaries even within their own fandom

>>30129543
theres always secondaries in anything anon

>>30127744
im@'s is even worse than 2hu because they too have caved into the demands of the "ironic weeb" in your eyes, with characters like riamu. Theyres lots of issues with the stuff here at this rate man

I'm 29 and have been here for over 10 years. I dropped out of university and haven't held a single job since. In all that time I never jumped ship, not to kancolle, nor to idolshit, nor to the new virtual youtuber fad. I'm a TRVENEET pur sang, a beacon of authentic, unadulterated Autism, a bone fide /jp/sie, unrelentingly upholding our longstanding honorary traditions and heritage. I'll never betray you, /jp/

>>30129963
>one character being ironic weeb #relatable bait is enough to invalidate an entire series
>this is literally the same as an entire industry built around streamers being living shitposts while playing video games with a moving anime girl picture on screen

>>30130076
and thats wrong because?

>>30130076
>reddit shitposters
Fixed it for you. Also who are either of us quoting?

>>30130131
>one character pandering to ironic weebs in a series with tons of characters making her easy to ignore is literally the same as an entire industry shitting generic pandering shitposting vtubers by the dozens every month
i dont idolshit because it always seemed a bit too close to normalfag territory to me but your comparison is dumb as hell
and imas doesn't have an anime as well as multiple games? and because it is idolshit it obviously has songs and albums
what vtubers have? shitpost content
maybe its a good time to get into imas even if i will always like and respect touhou as what got me into otaku culture

>>30130398
https://youtu.be/MK9wHTId81Q
what about hardcore 2hu fan vtubers?

>>30130522
>not even playing one of the games, playing a normalfag meme quiz instead
that is tertiary territory, that makes the retards watching quarternary territory

>>30130665
https://youtu.be/clPkWxLfNeE
she plays the games. She 1cc PCB on hard last week

>>30130732
>ReimuA
of fucking course, but expected much worse like normal at best, hard is still an accomplishment
all the noises while playing are really annoying though

>>30130732
>reimuA
>hard
>"managed to"
>PCB
>hardcore 2hu fan

>>30130856
u seem to have a real problem with detailing what exactly pisses you off lol. first it was playing a quiz game and not playing the games themselves (as if u can win the quiz game without knowing what the questions are about?), then it's playing the game but the wrong way. make up ur mind u goalpost shifting faggot or get a trip that says "cranky senior citizen with erectile dysfunction" so we can filter u

>>30130522
They are still cancer

>>30131046
>getting this mad over a vtuber getting called a poser secondary trying to impress her quinary watchers

>>30131146
>a poser secondary
If we're calling people who actually play the games secondaries now, the word has lost all meaning.

Reading this thread only made my hatred for holocancer bigger. Good job.

I want all crossboarders to get back where they came from.

You've all become the old man

>>30131281
And you've become the new teen.

>>30131281
and you're the new enemy.

>>30131171
if you are only playing them to impress someone, yeah thats fucking secondary territory if you do that with reimuA PCB

>>30131436
You don't have to like them, but someone playing the games is by definition not a secondary. It's not a word that just means "thing I don't like". You can't call someone who can 1cc any touhou on hard a secondary, it's dumb as fuck.

>>30131281
i would rather be an old man glad he is still able to enjoy things unironically than be a shitposting normalfag jumping from trend to trend
yes, i even enjoy reading the isekai light novels and web novels the normalfags at /a/ would scoff at because i can actually read japanese

>>30131499
even if you force me through clenched teeth to one day admit she is by definition not literally a secondary, you are still a quinary for watching her play instead of playing yourself

>>30131436
https://youtu.be/qb-GZas0HNM
So beat mario is a secondary?

>>30131573
I don't watch her and I do play touhou, but okay. Anyone who consumes derivative works and doesn't play touhou is a secondary, if you play touhou and consume derivative works, you're not a secondary. Nothing else makes any sense.

Maybe if we REALLY don't like someone we can call them a septenary, awesome.

>>30131436
I agree with anons, it's not secondary. It's just fucking pathetic. It's a step up from saying "the only game I cleared was Soku" but it's not secondary if she's literally playing and beating even the most piss-easy game. Besides, anon doesn't actually care about 2hu in the first place since I can guarantee there's probably dozens of vt*bers who've cleared the game on lunatic, she's just the only one he knows of because "funny anime girl make funny moan noises, +300k viewers", he just wants to try and sell us on this random streamer to make himself feel better at night because he can't handle rejection.

>>30131662
>scurrying like a r*dditor searching for the most obscure ass vtuber you can find that still plays touhou to prove some someone wrong
>reimuA normal
at least he 1cc'd it

>>30131921
This is the worst attempt at samefagging a shitty strawman to break down an argument I've seen. Hold on, let me say it for you.
Hurrrrrr, you don't know BeatMario?! Ackshully, he's a composer :)

>>30131875
this is probably the only board that would make me go back on something i said
out of respect to definitions, yeah i guess shes not literally a secondary

>>30131957
>the guy that made night of nights ended up as a vtuber
there is something poetic about that actually

We will never like you holofags. Learn to accept that and please leave this thread.

HOLOcaust when?

>>30115653
I don't hate you. I don't want to judge people for what they enjoy. I don't know that much about vtubers, so please point out any error in my post so I can learn.
As an outsider, vtubers appears to be a creepy donation-driven scheme for companies like Cover (who runs Hololive) to extract neetbux for themselves and their investors. This is vastly different from doujin culture, which is at the heart of /jp/.
Also, (but you might be able to convince me here) it is different from conventional media, in the sense that at least if you make an anime/game/manga there is some creative vision being expressed, and value created, beyond lonely /jp/sies feeling less lonely by spending their money and/or time on celebrity so that she'll pretend to be your friend.
I think I feel sorry for you, which is weird because /jp/ would normally promote and value things that society find valueless. Have I become a judgemental normie?

>>30132149
When I start my German European Vtuber agency which will need other "talents" then just girls capable to sing and draw pretending to be good in video games.

>>29646852
>Liking 3d trannies who larp as 2d girls
This is not the /jp/ way

>>30132315
>vtubers appears to be a creepy donation-driven scheme
donations make a small amount of total income they bring
> to extract neetbux for themselves and their investors
pretty sure you don't know what extraction means
>This is vastly different from doujin culture
spending money on retarded things in one of the main pillars of doujin culture
>which is at the heart of /jp/
so is obsession over waifus
You are just romanticizing things.
>that at least if you make an anime/game/manga there is some creative vision being expressed, and value created
their streaming content is that value. It's all the same for the consumer who just wants to watch something funny or amusing. There really isn't much difference between spending your time watching some lighthearted anime or vtubers fucking around, both are made to amuse.

>>30133175
草pilled

>>30104065
>>30104619
I don't know what's the most disgusting thing here, the replies, or the fact that meido did next to nothing to save the thread.

you guys ever consider maybe you're just boring

>>30133826
Try harder next time, holofag.

>>30133783
do you really expect them to do anything outside of the h******e threads?

>>30134079
No, not really. But there were some deleted posts in that thread, which means that either meido or a janitor was present.

I don't know who you guys are kidding, every time I come to /jp/ it's idol shit or horny kids talking about which touhou they would engage in sexual relations. Holoshit just combines the two things

>>30133188
>There really isn't much difference between spending your time watching some lighthearted anime or vtubers fucking around, both are made to amuse.
and you faggots cry when anyone calls you an ironic weeb

why do you holofags want so bad to convert oldfags to your cult? not even actual religions are this obnoxiously persistent and invasive

>>30134565
Being an ironic weeb is something done out of a desire for validation and acceptance. So it makes sense they want to be accepted and validated even here.

>>30134565
Take it easy and avoid them. These people are already lost.

i've been posting on /jp/ almost daily since the katawa shoujo demo came out and i also like hololive. let your rage flow through me

>>30135311
I'm not mad, i'm just disappointed.

>>30134457
ironic, tryhard, I don't mind. Otaku culture, at least for me, is a comfort culture, pure escapism.

>>30135602
A fast food culture, you could say.

holos aren't the problem, their popularity is. If hololive was some small, indie company so called hc og otakus here would be the first ones to post about it.

>>30135712
Wrong. /jp/sies hated vtubers before it was popular.

>>30135712
doubt any otaku would like it, its just a streamer
maybe some would find one or two meme compilation videos funny but its always the same jokes and they get old fast

Why are holofags still trying at this point?

>>30135810
>/jp/ is one person
Active posters in vtuber threads disagree with you.

>>30135311
who did you pick first anon, I only played Rin's route

>>30135884
anime girls singing your favorite anime songs while playing your favorite japanese games with some ecchi sprinkled here and there. Seems like something an otaku would like.

>>30135989
>usual r*ddit and /v/ argument
>counting tourists as jpsies

>>30136077
ironic weebs maybe, to me it just looks like a 3dpd monster wearing animu skin trying to blend in unnoticed

>>30136077
I will never ever understand the appeal of watching someone else play video games, even if it's disguised as a cute anime girl.

>>30135989
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't only me complaining about vtubers before holoshit came to /jp/
>Active posters in vtuber threads disagree with you.
Not my problem that some of these traitors fell into that cult.

>>30136036
i went for hanako first but shizune ended up being way better. in the demo anyway

Wow this thread blew up.

I was going to revisit it on the weekend to chat with fellow /jp/sies, but doesn't look like that'll happen.

I do want to say this though. It's not that the oldfags don't like new people or new things. It's that they don't like new people who have no idea what otaku culture is, and then spam posts and threads about they're warped and inaccurate ''otakuism.'' It's like in real life - you can't go to a foreign country and live as you do in your home country. You can't complain that no one thinks like you and then call everyone old for living life in a way you don't understand. There are rules, customs, and traditions that you have to follow, otherwise you'd stick out, make a fool of yourself, and be hated by the natives. You're in a different place, you need to change the way you act. You can't be close-minded and force every place you go to adapt to your philosophies (or you can be close-minded but have strength in numbers, which we can see is the strategy taken by the holofags).

>>30137504
yeah i was having fun in this thread and a few other threads a while ago but now everything blew up and i kinda want to call people faggots but i also kinda don't want to waste my time in this thread any more. see you in the other thread.

>>30138421
see ya dude.
take it easy.

>>30137504
the problem with your argument is people just adapt their definition of "otaku culture" to reject whoever they don't like
it's "no true scotsman" on a board wide basis

>>30136077
they aint anime girls
It's 3D trying to camouflage as 2D
It's built on LIES

>>30138772
then what the fuck are seiyuus and idols

>>30137504
Zoomers love to come in and tell the oldfags how to enjoy their hobby and what it's about
Those on /vr/ do it all the time
"Let me tell you that I know more about your hobby than the people who actually lived in those times because I saw some dumb youtube celeb stream."

>>30138791
I literally hate those too

Whatever happened to 2D/Random

>>30138875
your mom happened

>>30139302
At least anon's mom is 2D

>>30139323
she's too fat to have only 2 dimensions

>>30139348
The 2 in 2D actually means too dimensions

Been here since the first year of 4chan. Not sure what I did to betray but I`m not sorry. I became a wizard and have a tulpa wife. What have you been doing all this time?

>>30123435
>it's you who needs to leave to /v/ with your shitty outdated franchise
2hu is a vidya gaem, even /v/ accepts this. Consider the following;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMI4eQf_x0w

>>30144858
Consider killing yourself

>>30137504
Vtubers exist bevause is a demand, its simple as fuck: you lack social interaction and there is no amount of video games or anime what can fill the hole. However with vtubers the watcher can feel that he does belong somewhere. You have an entire generation of socially awkward people who never even talk to others, and since twitch is not relateable to otakus, vtubers are specifically for them. They are smart enough to profit from your situation, just like dating sites are tailored to lure single men with obvious issues. However dont forget most of these women are just as antisocial as the people they pander to.
Funfact: this is the same reason why you are here too, you seek conversation, validation, conflict with likeminded people.

It feels like just yesterday I was a neet, watching anime, playing old fun videogames. I'd spend everyday killing time by learning about new things, reading or watching new things, etc.

Now I'm on the verge of graduating, getting a 9-5 job, owning a house and a car and all that middle class bull
It feels like my life is over and now I'm going to spend the next several decades working and not being able to enjoy what I loved or relax like I used to.

>>30150969
me but I think I might not graduate and so I need to take more classes because of failures and just stay arrested in the "before adult/Still a NEET" phrase

also I can't afford a house

>>30150969
Once you learn that a normal life is boring, it's all over for you.

>>30135810
I didn't really care back in 2017/18. Only vaguely acknowledged them in '19 when someone told me the sallyfag was from there and another anon wrote like a three page essay on why thats not true which I kinda believed, and it wasn't until this year I cared enough to dislike them because of obvious reasons. Before then it was just another general, think it got like 1.5 posts a minute which was superfast by our standards but slow by 90% of the websites, and I didnt see much leakage. Filters blocked it out and its some shit I stayed away from on pure principle, regardless of if it was actually trash or not. Maybe there's something there, but just like Homestuck I don't care to throw myself into something that massive, all encompassing with a fanbase I don't understand at best. But now?

Now you get threads like this. And this isn't the first thread of its kind, nor will it be the last. I'd almost have preferred Reimu in SSB to do this because at least we'd be destroyed by the same group of people, albeit a subsect who somewhat cared, rather than...this.

I don't think I'll even be let into Gensokyo at this point, even if I die an honourable death, commiting a domestic terrorist attack on a hydroelectric plant or something.
I've played too much gacha and 1cc'd too few Touhou games

fellow truNEETs, i'm kinda hungry

>>30163081
apply for foodstamps
that's what I did

200$ a month, pretty good
all the instant ramen I want

>hololive sticky
Oh no

At this point the mods are just openly mocking us

>>30168294
Mocking would imply they were remotely invested in this board's userbase to begin with

>>30168294
it's for the safety of the 2hu /c/ and /e/ imagedumps, so 50 hololive threads aren't made at once

>>30168294
I missed it, why did they get another sticky? For what possible reason?

>>30178060
Actually instead I went to go check myself and I, uh. I don't like this. It's just a hundred messages like this in a row in like a minute. Also they're speaking malay? Why the fuck is this on /jp/?

>>30178359
E-Thots are otaku culture if they use a facerig avatar, I guess
Doesn't help we have bullshit like Gravure generals for mods to argue that they do in fact belong
This board is only good for shitposting now, even those shitty spinoffs from years ago are probably in better condition than here

>>30178060
Debut of a new holo vtuber. Expect two more in the next 2 days

>>30178579
No, I kept scrolling for another probably thousand posts. This girl straight up doesn't even speak english according to that screaming hivemind stream of consciousness. Why are they even watching, let alone posting enough to make, according to the preview, almost 6k fucking posts in what I'm assuming is an hour? Is /v/ just a SEA board now?

>>30178955
she largely speaks english and switches to indonesian and japanese sometimes

>>30178579
>Gravure generals for mods to argue that they do in fact belong

And what exactly is their argument? Is it because gravure is "otaku culture"? Nearly everthing on 4chan is otaku culture. And besides, /s/ and /hc/ are still a thing.

Notice how all the drama basically ceased the second the thread got to bump limit. Some real petty shit.

>>30202782
It happens way too often these days, sadly.