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also, western maids aren't moe

Well that's kind of the same thing.

western waitresses suck, you totally get turned off when they pass you the menu and say "wut do ya want."

Well they are probably wary of the North American implications of calling customers "master" and such so the costume is probably as far as they can go.

>western maid cafes

>western maid cafes

>>2941964

It's a sad world we're living in when simple overwhelming, fawning politeness has become a sexual fetish.

>>2941977
>>2941978
Samefag

>>2941956
>>2941983
samefag

>>2941983
>>2941992
Obvious samefag

>>2941992
>>2941998
Samefag

>>2941964
This would be fine, but all western maid cafes are in California. Someone should open one in Vermont or Maine, well beyond the earshot of any minorities who would be offended by the word. Of course, the owners would also have to take the maid concept seriously, instead of doing it ironically in that "lol japan so randum XD" style.

But maybe it would easier to do a tsundere maid cafe. Then the maids can actually say what they're really thinking, and indeed are expected to do so. Things like "I'm not doing this because I want to" and "You didn't want mayo? Tch, just scrape it off, I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette."

Even the best maid cafe here would be just an inferior ripoff of a Japanese concept. They should make something more uniquely American, so that people can really take it as theirs.

Like a slave cafe. Civil war era trappings, negroes shining your shoes while you eat and calling you 'massah'.

>>2942008
Oh sorry I wasn't implying a minority / slave thing with the use of the word master, I meant I'm sure there would be female complaints about the chauvinism behind it, or something. Pretty dumb either way, but then again I like making tea myself at home so being served by a maid would be pointless ~

>>2942011
>They should make something more uniquely American

There's already an Americanized maid cafe chain. It's called Hooters.

>>2942011
This would have worked in the 20's or 30's, but if you did it today, Jesse Jackson would burn a cross in the parking lot. Which is a shame, because old black men give the best shoe shines in the world.

>>2942031
If you want a old black man to give you a shoe shine, just go to an airport.

>>2942020

There needs to be some sort of Ladies' Clubs where you could go and have some derivate of a regal dinner served by handsome young men in butler outfits.

>>2942020
I recall a few years ago some minority with too much free time sued a computer parts company because the components being labeled "master" and "slave" offended him. I think he won, but I don't remember exactly. I would think you could largely overcome the chauvinism complaint by also having butlers, but defeating The Race Card is a bit more challenging.

>>2942073
Master/slave is the standard terminology, it can't be true.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp

>>2942073
I guess in a more loosely defined sense, the master/slave thing gets linked to racism more, but if it's a girl in a maid outfit calling their presumably male customer master, I just have a feeling some women rights groups would be up in arms. Of course no one is forcing the girls to work there, so maybe they would just try to make you feel bad for being a customer.

Regardless though, it seems like all western maid cafes are doomed to failure.

>>2942067
These exist already, don't they? Perhaps what we need is just a cafe that is free of maids and butlers and has both male and female employ- oh, wait.

>>2942081

Sad thing is, it might be. From what I read there's quite a lot of people who use hilarious lawsuits as their only source of income.

Could expand the butler theme with themed weekends or something. Coming up, Pictish Weekend with sashes, kilts and blue body paint.

>>2942020
>>2942115
I think the objections might arise depending on who one is serving. If you imagine for a moment that you are female, how would you feel about acting subservient toward the regulars in some Akihabara establishment? Probably no objections, right? Now how would you feel about acting that way toward some smirking American (or Canadian) chump? Hmm.

>>2942115

They probably do, but seem to be spaced *very* far apart.
So far apart that each can reasonably claim to be unique, since attending one doesn't guarantee you'll ever see another.

>>2942040
I usually just go to fancy hotels for this. But it's still out of my way. I'd much prefer to have it done while I wait for my food.

>>2942115
>so maybe they would just try to make you feel bad for being a customer.

They already do that for any reason or no reason. There is a loud-mouthed minority of aggro-feminists who think being male is in itself something one should feel guilty about. Most people quickly learn to ignore them the same way people in cities learn to ignore traffic noise.

The problem won't be in the customer end. It's really mostly in the maid part - there are very few women in this corner of the world capable of, even temporarily, even as a part of agreed-upon roleplay, showing the kind of subservience a real meido needs. It's an attitude question.

>>2942131
Well I was talking about objections from external groups about a Western maid cafe, not the girls working in Japanese ones. I'm sure even the girls in Western ones might not mind the language, but others might. I'd feel bad getting literally waited on by a maid so I don't think I'd like it much ~

>>2942138
The pictures that someone posted once from a butler cafe in Japan looked pretty silly anyway. It was a fairly average looking white guy with overly gelled hair serving. You can do better~

>>2942144
Or the ones that wouldn't mind would be a really typical 'yaoi fangirl' or something.

>>2942144
Being a maid is certainly a different mindset than, say, being a Hooters girl. But ultimately you're just portraying a character. With adequate training and exposure to maid culture and the moe aesthetic, Americans should be perfectly capable of playing the part.

Of course...its pretty challenging to develop the meido mindset even though I got the barista concept put down. As much as I want to make a 50's era style maid cafe lounge with that cheesy 50's music

>>2942028
Worst part is that every asian country does Hooter's better. Goddamnit American women need to learn what subservience is.

>>2942144

I don't really see how anyone could object to this.
After all, a maid is a voluntary paid employee, all three being keywords here. Not an indentured servant.

>>2942188

So is a prostitute, and they have a problem with that.

>>2942188

That's the problem, finding such talent amongst the beautiful women which more often than not has a sense of pride of being independant women as portrayed in television and music videos. How female musicians go on bout the independant women theory like psuedo feminists.

>>2942155
I see. I was just pointing out that even the same girl working in the two different environments might be more inclined to adopt the 'maid persona' in one than another. So even if there were no external objections, it might be difficult for a girl to play the maid role 'properly'.

It's not really about true subservience, it's about playing an expected role that your customer appreciates. Even the girls in Japanese maid cafes are pretty bad actors, so you probably wouldn't feel that bad about it.

I want to visit one of the butler cafes that is actually staffed by women in drag.

I don't know why this has gone so in depth when the real answer is just "the maids in western ones are unattractive."

Reposting this for the 19th time. I want to find a quaint little quiet spot, like so ~

>>2942221

>I want to visit one of the butler cafes that is actually staffed by women in drag.

Those are wonderful. I've been to one with my sister when we were at Ikebukuro. Reverse trap butlers are the best.

Maid cafes only can really work in Japan where customers are suppose to be treated like Gods at all times.

I've never seen as many smiles and courtesies as I did when I was in Japan.

>>2942241
>>the real answer is just "the maids in western ones are unattractive."

Not that simple, I'm afraid. Some western maids are physically attractive.

They just don't act anything like maids, so all the looks go to waste.

>>2942266
>Maid cafes only can really work in Japan where customers are suppose to be treated like Gods at all times.

If anything, they should work worse there, since without giving blowjobs for the customers there's only so much they can do to outperform all the regular shopkeepers.

In west, where all too often service means that you don't have to load the plastic tray yourself, it would make more sense to there be a special place where people pay for just being treated well.

I wanted to go to this place ;_; but it closed.

>>2942241
That can't be the real answer though, since the girls in the Japanese ones are also not particularly attractive either.

>>2942254
I almost went to that one on a whim, but it took me too long to find as I hadn't brought a map.

>>2942281
You mean like a spa or something?

>>2942298

Is that an onee-sama cafe?

>>2942325
It was a 'sister' cafe. They started out calling you onee-sama, but if you acquired enough points then you could opt for other ways of being addressed.

>>2942011
Americans aren't moe.

On a related note, since the Japanese clientele is a little varied, I wonder what kind of people regularly go to western maid cafes.

-Preps (who mistake this as another coffee bar, some 50's prep renaissance man would love to come here in his favorite argyle sweater to sit down for a Latte with extra foam served by a maid)

-Otakus brave enough to go out.

-Perverted men.

Western maid cafes = Cantonese maid cafes.

Enjoy your bandwaggoning chinks and their mindless obsession over Japanese crap.

>Preps
I didn't realize this term was actually used outside of an ironic context.
The More You Know!

It might be interesting to go to a maid cafe someday, but it would probably just feel as awkward as a high-end restaurant or other "formal" setting.

>>2942067
The ones with butlers that I've seen are no good, and host clubs in Japan are bad news. Very bad news.
I'd rather just have Bartender make me something.

I don't think I could really feel the moe if they weren't speaking Japanese, or if they weren't at least North-East Asian. The problem is that my Japanese is shit so i could probably understand maybe 10% of what they were saying if they spoke in Japanese but I'd still prefer that over some white girl in a maid outfit going "What can I get you master?"

>>2942631

Personally, I'm quite content with any place I can order British ale without anyone giving me funny looks.

Mostly just suggested butler cafés as a counterweight to the more vitriolic maid café opposition.

>western maid cafes

>>2942631
What do you mean exactly? I have a friend who while in japan mentioned wanting to go to one of those, so I hope I can tell her they are worth the money

This is a good thread and should be archived

>>2943203
Your friend wants to go to a host club? Is she an idiot?

>>2943284
are they bad?

Most westerners won't find the illusion of a subservient maid in a Halloween costume (who also calls you master) to be a turn on. They'd find it a little creepy.

The ideal western girl is flirty, sassy and sexy.

pic related, it's a western maid cafe

>>2943387

It actually struck me as an ironic idea of using the "Affair approach" to it, how going to this maid cafe to have a special affair with the lovely servant of them well off families.

>>2943284
are they bad?

What's wrong with you people? How many of you have actually been in a "maid" cafe? It's depressing as hell, seeing the women act like idiots when they clearly don't want to.

>>2943303
>>2943499
Only as 'bad' as a hostess bar is.

>>2943509
You've clearly never been to a good maid cafe.

>>2942067
there is...its a butler cafe. No Im serious

>>2943387
THIS THIS THIS.

The MAjorityJapanese ideal women is different than Americas

< --- I rage at this.

>>2943549
That'd be pretty awesome. You could enjoy an evening having tea and crumpets and enjoying a game of chess with fellow gentlemen, even while you are in Japan! Meanwhile young Asian lads would have a chance to observe the right and proper way to behave like a gentleman while in service.

>>2942484
"Today the claim that otaku-like sensibilities are unique to Japan no longer holds such force...I absolutely do not percieve the emergence of otaku culture as a uniquely Japanese phenomenon. Rather, I think that it should be grasped as one manifestation in Japan of a grand trend toward the postmodernization that began in the middle of the twentieth century. It is precisely this reason that otakus' works transcend national boundaries to be well received around the world." - Hiroki Azuma, "Otaku: Japan's Database Animals," p. 10