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Happens all the time, it's not like Obama dissolving the House or anything.

>conservative Liberal

wait what? No wonder he's always confused, he doesn't know what he is.

>>2934150
That would be a lovely thing to see happen. I would love to see congress dissolve and have a forced election. Pity we don't have something in place for that to happen.

>>2934164

I kinda like it this way, so that the president can't just get rid of everyone when they disagree. But more often than not Congress is just a dick.

3 prime ministers in 3 years? Come on Japan, let's shoot for a fourth!

>>2934158
Those words actually mean something, and are not just insults thrown at each other by two opposing parties in US, you know.

>>2934158
The USA must be the only place in the world where "liberal" is used to design leftist political tendencies...

Which party is it that want to pass cp laws?

>>2934174
I just have a seething hatred for the current congress and would like to see them forcibly have to rerun every few years.

>>2934178
Err, liberal and conservative are antonyms. That's what he means.

>>2934176
I don't believe you.

Japan goes through more prime ministers than a prostitute does birth control pills.

>>2934200
more than one a day?!

>>2934192
They aren't (unless you're using them as US slang terms). Check the dictionary near you.

>>2934192
Not in political terms.

At this rate, you'd think that they're getting their PMs from gachapon machines.

>>2934211
>>Check the dictionary near you.

I just did:

Liberal:
>>favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

Conservative:
>>disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

They seem like polar opposites to me according to the definitions..

>>2934228
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#Redefinition_of_liberalism_from_laissez-faire_form
_to_interventionist_form

>>2934228
>>favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

I believe the word you were looking at is "progressive".

>>2934232
You're going to have to summarize these, I'm not spending my evening/early morning reading that wall of text so I can pass off as an intellectual on an image board.

>>2934248
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

that's what is said mate, just copying pasting shit not adding my own details.

>>2934265
Carry on, soldier.

>>2934265
It's a strange mix of Adam Smith and Rousseau. Free market and equal rights, basically. Historically, after the 18th the mainstream politics of the west are aligned with liberal views, hence, when you are conserving something in today's politics, you are conserving liberalism and being a liberal.

>>2934265
Classical Liberals are pretty much like today's liberals in their approach to civil liberties, but also believed in free markets. After the left started moving towards more interventionist views on economics, people started making a distinction between Classical liberals and today's liberals.

>>2934301
That's not what I'm getting at. If you think having knowledge of something is equal to skimming it on wiki then I have bad news for all you armchair political majors...

If you have accurate knowledge of what the hell you're going on about then it's not too hard to summarize it in your own words for laymen who are not acquainted with the subject. Just posting a wall of text and going "Here you go bud happy reading, come back and continue the discussion after wards" shows that you don't know what you're going on about and you're just trying to look sophisticated.

The topic here as of now is whether or not the term Conservative and Liberal are mutually exclusive from the source I have it is but if you think that's not the case because you have inside knowledge then go on ahead and share with the rest of us who didn't take Pol science 101.

>>2934305
Maybe somebody should tell the pollies that - most of them fall in the authoritarian part of the compass lately, not the libertarian - to the detriment of society.

This debate is rather useless anyway, as calling LDP liberal in the classical sense doesn't really make sense either, as the only view the two hold in agreement is free markets. They're simply a conservative party with a name from a long time ago that doesn't quite fit anymore.

>>2934323
I don't know much about the history of politics in the US but today's american "liberals" are roughly the same things as the european social-democrats, who are an originally communist group who denied the marxist idea of revolution, believing that the perfect society could be reached through democracy. Over the time they completely dismissed the communist objective as well.