/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I don't plan on using my Japanese skills for anything actually productive

Only if you're working in Japan. JLPT is the bare minimum.

LPT? Nowadays, we use USB.

>>2835768
You don't need to pass JLPT to work in Japan

>>2835737
>Actually, I am curious, is taking the JLPT useful in some way?
Gives you an idea of how bad/good you are at Japanese, I imagine.

>>2835778
maybe he means a real job, not just some arubaito

>>2835778
It's a requirement at a lot of places though

There's a test coming up December 1st.

So is 4 the easiest?

The only job you'll ever get in Japan is English teacher, so rather brush up on your English. You don't need to know any Japanese.

>>2835831
Even real Japanese people have trouble passing JLPT1.

>>2835893
What, are all the sperm taster positions filled?

How much should you know for JLPT1? I can read about 300 kanji but no grammar.

>>2835932
LOL 300....

I laugh at you!

it's like saying, I can read 100 english words, can I pass TOEFL?

>>2835932
JLPT1 is the hardest, even for JLPT4 (around 100 kanji, 1000 word vocab) you'll need to know the grammar.

>>2835932
well, assuming you know the correct 300 kanji, you're halfway there to being fully prepared for JLPT4 (727 kanji).

http://www.jlptstudy.com/4/jlpt4_vocab-list.html

>>2835949
Looking over this, I know almost all of it.

>>2835949

bookmarked that shit, thanks

I passed 3 when I had studied about 200 kanji and basic grammar. I'll probably do 2 this winter. My teacher keeps warning me always that it's really hard so I'm not sure yet.

>>2835980

That is probably why they are making it 5 levels instead of 4 starting 2010.

>>2835949

ehh that's not 727 kanji, that's just 727 phrases

a lot of them recycle the same kanji and some are just kana

I did 2 in 2004, should be all set for 1. Maybe will do it this year.

JLPT4 and JLPT3 are good for someone wanting to learn Japanese, because it gives you a good vocab/grammar base to get started from. But 1 and 2 have so many obscure kanji and grammar questions that even native speakers have trouble with it. Pass 3 and then if you want more, focus on some of the newer tests that focus on real Japanese instead of obscure nonsense.

There are a few torrents out there that have all the JLPT tests from 1990 to 2005. Print them out and take one test every few days while you're studying, then trade them and go over what you miss. That will give you a clear view of what you are weak on. I did this when I took JLPT3 and passed easily with 85%, because I had already done the test a few dozen times.

Level 4: 103 kanji
Level 3: 284 kanji
Level 2: 1023 kanji
Level 1: 1926 kanji holy fuck

haha fags like a test means anything
go do heisig and become fluent

>>2836053
2000 kanji aren't that much. If you've used Japanese long enough to be able to pass the reading part of the test you'll be able to read more than that. Don't forget that the JLPT has no writing part at all.

Isn't JLPT being replaced by another test soon?

>>2835907
That's not saying much, like most Americans are near illiterate, it seems a lot of Japanese people aren't very good at written Japanese either. I saw a couple of guys at 2chan saying they couldn't read 莫迦 or 堕胎 once.

the test is supposed to be revised by 2010 with an extra level and a somewhat different scoring system. There was talk of having a speaking section as well but for I know that never went anywhere.

>>2835907
Like the test they use before giving someone your country's nationality. Many people born in that country don't possibly pass the test in answering questions about their country.

>>2835907
I find that difficult to believe.
I passed JLPT1. It seemed like Japanese equivalent of an ESL test to get into a U.S. university, not something that would challenge an adult native speaker.

>>2836103
While I was attaining my US citizenship test, I would sometimes quiz my American coworkers about the questions I would be asked to become a citizen. Half of the time, it seemed like my coworkers didn't know the answer.

Some of the questions are:
What ocean is to the west of the United States?
Who is Benjamin Franklin?
Who are your state senators?
What are two states that border Canada?

>>2836056
Good one.
heisig doesn't do anything to make you fluent.

>Who is Benjamin Franklin?
Ben is wormfood.

The body of
B. Franklin, Printer
(Like the Cover of an Old Book
Its Contents torn Out
And Stript of its Lettering and Gilding)
Lies Here, Food for Worms.
But the Work shall not be Lost;
For it will (as he Believ'd) Appear once More
In a New and More Elegant Edition
Revised and Corrected
By the Author.

>>2836126
that's just americans being retarded

>>2836113
This.

JLPT1 is quite easy. When I took it there was this 10 year old kid on the same room as me. He passed it too...
It's ridiculous to suggest a native speaker would have trouble with it.

>>2836257
how do you know he passed? You don't get the results until months later.

>>2835938
English doesn't consist of much more than 100 words.

>>2836257
>>2836276
Fess up, bro. You're making shit up

>>2836257
You are full of shit.

>>2836276
Where I live all the results are sent to the same school (where I was studying btw). When I went there to get it they told me who passed.
Of course the kid was nikkei though, so it's not that surprising.

If you wanna know how hard it is, read this:
http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/1kyuu.phtml

Seriously.
JLPT4 is pretty easy if you actually study for it.
3 is doable with hard study.
2 if you are fluent.
1 is shit not even average japanese people know about. Sure, it is the equivalent of higher language (like knowing all technical words in your mothertongue) but it's stuff an average person normally doesn't know about.

>>2836284
It consists of 60,000 words.

>>2836358
Nah, I still don't believe you.

Is JLPT useful for my acceptance rate to the JET programme?

>>2836419
Dude, don't do JET. It's shit.

>>2836424
it pays the most, has the most holidays, and the best hours compared to other contracts.

I guess you have nothing concrete to offer as evidence.

>>2836441
Compared to what kind of contracts?

>>2835737
>Todai

pls gtfo and come back when you know japanese, kid.

>>2836364
eh, it's more like
4: no-brainer
3: extremely easy
2: pretty easy
1: doable with some studying.

>>2836566
pls gtfo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Language_Proficiency_Test#Results

don't talk about things you obviously have no idea about.

>>2836520
>Todai

I took JLPT2 cold and passed after 3 yrs of college study. Didn't have the motivation to learn another 1000 kanji and go for level 1 though

>>2836520
東大と呼ぶのに問題でもあんのかい外人メ

>>2836842
It's Toudai you fucking dipshit.
東大
とうだい

fucking weeaboos

So I guess only one person on /jp/ has JLPT credentials?

>>2836882
Just like it's Toukyou and not Tokyo, amirite?

fucking scrubs trying to learn MY JAPANESE

>>2836882

>>2837031
I prefer Tōkyō on the pc.

>>2837031
Is the aknowledge transcription in english.
Just like in english it's "Vienna" and not "Wien" e.g.
Whereas Toudai obviously is a japanese term.

sigh.

>>2836364
Haha, with just casual study of about an hour a day of reading japanese manga for 6 months I was able to pass JLPT 3 with only about a week of specilized study to reinforce grammer rules.

JLPT 4 is so easy it's a joke. You could probably wing it even if all you knew was the 70 or something kanji you need for it, plus knowing what "ha" and "desu" are.

>>2836585
>>2837855
see? I know enough people who say that about 4 and 3, and I passed 2 myself and know how easy it is. So much about talking about stuff I have no idea about, faggot. Nice going there using a wikipedia article of all things to prove your argument.

well, i go to evening school learning japanese. its only one time per week wednesday for one hour and a half and i am doing in now for about 8 months.

i have a friend who is actually studying japanese on a university and i am learning sometimes with him together.

i am about to take the jlpt 3, because 4 is a waste of money, i could pass the jlpt 3, but there are still some kanjis i need to learn if i want a better grade. i have time until december 1st so it shouldnt be a problem. still it was alot of work these past 8 months, and it isnt something you could easily achieve, everyone who says it isnt is a liar or a ignorant japanese person.

besides my classmates in evening school really suck at japanese, at most they can read 30 hiragana and dont even know shit about katakanas not to mention any kanjis.

For reference, the official explanation text for JLPT1 states that it is intended for language learners with 900 hours of study. You can probably draw your own conclusions from that.