/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>27744837
Threadly reminder that australia is fucked and the UK and others might be next.

>DHL Japan called us last week, informing us that Australian customs have started rejecting packages containing any adult product. They then advised us to stop sending adult products to the country. Following that, current Australian orders with adult items in them were returned to us this week.

>Adult items ... include onaholes, hentai manga, doujinshi, cast-off figures, JAV DVDs, and any product marked with a +18 symbol on the product’s thumbnail

https://blog.jlist.com/news/australia-bans-waifus/

>>27744968
r18 shit is rampant here lmao, porn shops everywhere. We havent banned imports, theirs literally no new legislation regarding this stuff. 100% dhl japan got pressured by SA-best as they have already got a bunch of other anime stuff to quit selling. Watch how this affects noone besides j-list nd others that dabble in lolish stuff, r18 shit aint banned

>>27744968
Loli is already illegal in the UK, that hasn't stopped me though because they never check parcels

>>27745084
What other sites sell onahole to Australia other than J-list?

>>27746337
otonajp.

>>27747755
Thankyou.

>>27747755
>recommends otona
kek

>>27747755
>>27747892
die in a bushfire

>>27745990
never forgive the blairites for that ban, but just dont be a retard and import a loli sex doll or some shit and you should be fine....

Finally got laid after years of onahole use, the real thing is so underwhelming it's not even funny.

Blowjob>vaginal>anal

I know it's such a fucking annoying statement but unless you care about feelings, you're not missing out by staying a virgin.

>>27750944
do you love her?

>>27751367
I'm schizoid so my feelings are blunted but I guess so. It's a long distance relationship and I felt pretty hurt when we parted ways.

>>27751367
Well of course I love her, as much as anyone should love a little kid sister (not blood).

Let's pour out a cold one to our Ausfags
No wonder these guys are such rampant shitposters. Their looney government doesn't allow them anything else, and the wildlife is fucking nuts.
Spiders the size of small dogs. Trees that sting you. Fucking platypus. It makes perfect sense that Max Max takes place in Australia.

>>27745084
>r18 shit is rampant here lmao, porn shops everywhere.
yeah, gay shit. I've seen your shops, Ausssie.

>>27751439
>a long distance relationship
So you didn't actually love her.

Just if, As a 36 year old American male, I flew over to Australia in February, illegally climbed Ayers Rock with my lewd dakimakura of Konata from Rucky Star in my backpack, then livestreamed me dancing with it shirtless on the top in early morning as some kind of protest, would it be worth anyone's chuckle?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY PLASTIC VAGINA IS STUCK IN CUSTOMS
HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO COOM NOW?

>>27750944
Gotta agree, anal was just a foreskin tugger and didn't feel particularly amazing. Vagina was obviously better but if you're an unfit NEET like me it's pretty exhausting. I think years of masturbating have fucked over my sensitivity even though I've moved back to using very soft tomax holes now

To anyone interested cutting the end of my onahole (just a slit) VASTLY improved it.
I can now stick my dick all the way through, the thin slit holds and rubs the glans, I can cum outside the ona while still being "in" it, and it makes cleaning easier.

>>27753582
If you are in Australia, find a real kid I guess. Not the most convenient and it takes some work, but I don't see any other alternative in that situation.

>>27754870
why the fuck would i do that

>>27753582
edge and wait till it comes in

>>27757760
see the second paragraph
It actually made the sensation way better

Any California anon know the rules on drawn loli here? I'm kinda scared.

>>27760375
If you are worried about box art i live in Commiefornia and i have yet to be thrown in jail for the many times i have ordered a loli hole

>>27754761
I'm not out shape but yeah, anal is just like having a tight around your cock and then nothing.
At least blowjobs didn't disappoint when the girl makes good use of her tongue but then again I can go balls deep into the Mouth of Truth without worrying about someone puking on me.

>>27761196
Last couple girls I've seen have been deep throaters without a gag reflex and it's pretty fucking good, especially when you grab their head and hold them down. Think I need to start working out though and get in shape to enjoy sex more else I'll be stuck with this weird pseudo-death grip syndrome

>>27760375
California is one of the most degenerate states in the USA, it's totally legal there, as it is everywhere else in the USA.

>>27761369
That's pretty nice. I've only fucked that one grill so even if she is kinky as fuck, I couldn't really do face fucking. Granted, I did try it when she was lying on her back and I was doing the thrusting, not exactly when she blew me.

I have a plush torso, expanded foam on the inside and lined in fabric, last night I was using it with an onahole, end using to much lube and stained all the lower part of the fabric.
Are there some metod to clear the fabric whitout have to unstitch the plush torso?

>>27760375
California literally just passed a law that a 25 year old will not be registered as a sex offender for diddling a 12 year old.

>>27754870
>>27760073
show pic, cause this sounds really fucking stupid.

>>27754870
>>27763265

agreed please show a pic of this,
i use my ona with a meiki plush and if i cut it open its gonna leave a mess inside the doll,

I guess you could put a condom on the back and line the doll with a ziploc bag or something but idk

Any Canadians ordered from ToyDemon since the 'rona?
how was your shipping experience? Costs?

so now that taciturn turned out to be a pile of shit, you think anyone would buy a used ona?
i cant bring myself to throw away 30 euros

>>27765522
>you think anyone would buy a used ona?
maybe if you're cute you could sell it. I sold my used gymsocks to a vietnam vet.

>>27765522
There was a creepy poster in these threads who really wanted to buy a used one, so maybe you'll get lucky.

>>27763265
>a 25 year old will not be registered as a sex offender for diddling a 12 year old.
actually it simply added to an existing law to include LGBT offenders, the law exists in other states called the Romeo and Juliet law where a 17 year opld and a 20 year old can still have sex since they're close enough in age to each other

>>27765522
>>27766735
I would sell a used ona so long as they want it clean, some freaks want to buy it with the cum still in it and that disgusts me to even think about

>>27745990
so badass, do you also have an assault spoon?

Does anyone have experience with the Setsuna Tight Hard? Can't find any reviews.

what's the best on amazon, I'm looking at the toysheart fairy, no I can't order elsewhere I'm bundling it in a box with pc components n shit

Do you guys prefer fucking these things or just the best feel because no pussy?

>>27777866
i like em a lot better than my hand, but im a khhv so take it as you will

>>27765522
Speaking of which, I’ve got like 10-15 mint condition onahole boxes...

What should I do with them? Is there a secondary market for the box art?

>>27771454
They’re from the future and want your DNA to reincarnate the legendary NEET

>>27775961
If it’s anything like the Kupa Roa Hard, stay the fuck away.

That entire series is just really shitty.

>>27777778
Shit man, off by one.

I’m a fan of the Loli CQ Roll- it’s got a good soft uterus that has treated me well.

Also, get yourself a two pack of the Onatsuyu while you’re there.

>>27778900
oof too late, im horny and bought just one bottle

>>27778854
Yeah, that's why I ask. The reviews for the hard stuff seem to be that they're hit or miss and there's really nothing about the Setsuna. I'd like to get something harder and it looked good, but who knows.

>the new meiki plush is still not available in the EU

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME

Sell me on onaholes.
How good does it really feel to use one?
Also is there any that simulates a loli pussy well?
My dick is pretty thick so I dunno if it would even fit one.

>>27784099
how comfortable is this thing anyways
it looks a lot better than a flimsy blow-up torso

for anyone that was considring this shit, its nothing more than lube. doen'st heat up, doesn't provide a warmer sensation. albeit i'm drunk ankd just pounded away at my dong with my tenga tetra pma and it did the job, but iwas expeexting a "warming sensation" while i did it.

>>27763265
>>27763563
this happened to my zxy meiki by accident when i tried to use a fleshlight warmer like a retard. the sensations did not suffer, i can come outside of it and cleaning is way easier.

So this hobby got more expensive in the last few years, right? I swear I used to be able to get 4-5 good quality ona's for $100 and now I'm paying $50 for one ona and $20 for lube.

>>27777866
It's not preferable but it's a big improvement over hand. Also good for dry spells.

>>27744968
>>27745084
Australia deserves the 3rd nuke.

>>27784412
>How good does it really feel to use one
it's "nice," and a good one is worth it, comparable to a woman without the weight
>Also is there any that simulates a loli pussy well
just get a small one, they're all relatively small anyway considering nips are their target market
>My dick is pretty thick
just use more lube and get something labeled as soft

My venus ona feels a lot looser now after like 10 uses.what do?

>>27794171
>he fell for the venus meme

>>27744837
Am I being scammed if the Venus Real I'm buying is 100 gbp ($130)? I'm using Wanta, should I check something else?

>>27794871
Lol.

>>27795883
?

>>27796638
You can check Venus price on the usual recommended place. Like motsutoys, toydemon, etc. Check the pastebin.
You can even check the actual price in yen in japan.
You tell me then.

>>27794871
fuck bongs

Anyone else crossing their fingers for a decent Halloween sale?

>>27763065
can't you just rinse it with water and soap?

>>27779459
Eh, don’t worry- it’s like a $2.00 difference- just saving you some time and money. A bottle lasts me about 3-6 months, depending on how mercilessly I beat my meat.

>>27783565
Now that you mention it, I was looking at the setsuna big a while back, but the lack of reviews kept me from pulling the trigger...

>>27786030
I think there’s a KY jelly that’s warming... perhaps cut it with your existing lube and see if you can get a consistency that works for you?

>>27792631
That’s because ZXY’s net sensations don’t come from a vacuum effect... it’s all about the tunnel.

A fine hole, though, either way.

>>27793195
I don’t think it’s more expensive, it’s just that there’s a lot more variety and different price points.

There are a lot of holes at the $20 and under range, but since there are so many, decent reviews are harder to come by.

>>27794171

Mason jar or wrap

Or just get penis ensmallment surgery

>>27800237
No, probably most vendors are holding off for Black Friday like every year.

Hopefully you can last that long

>>27801797
Who the fuck on this board has ever used water and soap

If this board had a smell, it would be a salty mix of dried cum, ramen noodle packets, and tears

Remember to vacuum seal your dolls and onaholes for maximum freshness.

>>27804595
cute outfit, got any pictures before she went into the ziplock?

>>27806944
Not mine, https://fantia.jp/fanclubs/1509

>>27784099
Damn shame

>>27777866
Trigger warning: discussion of sex, normie experiences

An onahole is a nice option when your partner isn't in the mood. Also, having one used on you is a fun activity. There are times when I would rather use an onahole because I'm too tired to fuck.

Just got the Lusty Hit Spring onahole. Worth they hype imo. Stimulating but not overwhelming. Single-layer too, so I just flip it when cleaning. I’m looking forward to try other Toysheart onaholes.

Also got Lolinco. Kinda meh. Very hard to clean. Made in China. I prefer Perorin, also from magic eyes.

>>27753582
>COOM
You didn't deserve it in the first place, fag

>>27812074
You will not stop the coom...

>>27810648
I found it meh, it stretches a lot so after you've inserted gets loose to the point you can't feel the actual bumps any more. It's not like I've got a thick dick either

Tried out something earlier. Posted to social media then had to give company cam back. Thought was relevant.

https://a.uguu.se/koqvss.webm

How cheap should you go with onaholes?
I remember seeing some really cheap ones but I have no idea about quality and how long it would last my dickings.
I would like a onahole that last at least a month or two, so if its cheap enough I would just buy multiple ones.

>>27803437
I don't know if i've ever had a hole where the vacuum was a big contributor to how it felt. Maybe mouth of truth and lolinco would feel different open ended but I won't be the one playtesting that.

>tfw easily cum within a minute whether using a hole, my hand, or having sex despite jerking off every day for over a decade

can they even fix this

>>27816926
Just wait 10-15 years.

>>27816926
take a low dose of any ssri on the days you need to have sex, duloxetine is actually a therapy for ED

>>27752268
but he was hurt when they parted

https://twitter.com/sasurainoyoyo/status/1317055139744632834

Please dispose of your onaholes responsibly.

>>27814584
read reviews
but my budget is usually 30-40, anything higher and its on to the premium stuff and i start cross referencing reviews and watching out for shills before i do anything concrete, i will never let a purchase like gokusen fella happen again lmao

Looking to buy an onahole with a womb but can't decide between honmono and ppp. They don't look very durable either. Are any of the tomax uterus holes good?

>>27803407
no no consitency is great, at least for it me it si . the issue is i'm expecting it to be warm, but it doesn't really feel like it, personally. its on par with your average lube, but no warming snesation. this is night two of being drunk and trying this out.

Caved in and got this based on that anon's recommendation. Here's hoping it's as great for edging as he said, would personally love to hands free edge for several hours. Haven't felt like fapping recently too so I'm atleast a week into no fap. Fucking Hyped

>>27817710
>potentially kill off your sex drive during intake
>end up having errectyle dysfunction and ejaculation problems


yeah, no senpai

>>27814584
http://onahodouga.com/

I can't decide between Mouth of Truth and Perorin, help

>>27824481
how long til it arrives, id like to hear someones elses thoughts on it bc it looks really good for a hands off ona
also where did you get it from?

>>27824797
MOT for overal mouth feel, perorin for deepthroat, although, deepthroating the MOT during an orgasm is a kino feeling too

>>27744837
no memes, does jelqing work?

>>27825835
we don't meme here

>>27825835
no

>>27825921
>>27825914
how am i supposed to beat the lolinco virgo

I want to kamakazi my dick into this silicone shimakaze doll

>>27825938
Punch it?

>>27826060
I wan t to go to the no mans land anon, truly conquer the virgo, call her mine and finally sign the marriage registration and take responsibility
as it stands, i can barely get past halfway

>>27804595
Forever Ware episode of Eerie Indiana pops into my mind seeing that.

Doll company name and price please.

>>27824925
Do you mean that you can't deepthroat the MOT as easily, or that deepthroating the Perorin just feels better in general?
I want just want to know what a mouth feels like so I should go with MOT then?

>>27825982
That's pretty nice, what doll is that?

>>27817710
>ssri
No. These lower testosterone and can kill your libido.

>>27826306
It's a DS doll. i forgot the head

>>27826232
MOT is easy to deepthroat, its just that during orgasm, when you push in that extra space feels fucking out of this world, whereas perorin is built for deepthroat from the get go, so that split second novelty isnt there, but its also a vaccuum so there are some good tradeoffs to consider

>>27826232
>>27826394
sorry, but yeah, go with MOT, im still obsessed with it weeks after buying it

>>27814189
Face deformation is off-putting.

But the funtionality is nice.

>>27826490
wait, i thought dolls were equipped like this from the get-go, isnt that why you're paying at least a grand for them?

>>27826547
What you mean by that?

>>27826380
Dang, those are fucking expensive. Looks nice.

>>27827004
i thought having a mouth or pussy/ass function was the standard? you're paying a grand or two for some of these after all
t. never owned a doll

>>27827081
Yes they have all three holes, except the anime head ones. The faces distort a lot though.

Did anybody in Germany try importing from toydemon yet? Seems like they're only offering DHL Express, how well do those packages get through customs?

Meiki plush anon here this thing is pretty based.

>>27830222
video of you using it when?

It was initially a pain to get a hole in but after the first few times its not bad at all. Not much to look at but its better hands free than using a pillow

>>27830222
Oh shit

>>27830174
here, literally considering paying 200USD just for shipping on that thing.

Did you already try different clothes? How well do they fit?

>>27830308
Obviously its more than a hip, but being able to use my entire collection of holes hands free is worth it for me. And unlike a real doll its a lot lower maitenance because of the material.

Face is a turnoff but once I eventually get a vr headset it won't matter. In the meantime I think I'm gonna get a wig and a Nier Automata style eyewrap

>>27830405
>>27830308
Also what's the actual height of that plus (head to toe)?
According to toydemon it's only 47" / 120cm. Is it really that short?

yeah its about that

>>27830725
Based, thanks anon
Might be too short for me then

Where can you get the slimier lube with a semi-gelatinlike consistency that usually come in packets with a new hole? Like the lube packets included in the Mouth of Truth?

It's a totally different feel than the typical water-based lubes recced like Onatsuyu

>>27831023
Open the cap on onatsuyu or any other water based lube and let it dry out some.

>>27830725
>120cm
>those proportions
something does not feel right

>>27831193
130 > 148 > 158 > rest
Don't @ me if you disagree

>>27831193
Its 37-28-38, a bit shorter than I'd like for sure. A loli version would be neat will never happen

>>27824879
Around 10 days from now, and I got it off amazon. They're about to run out I believe though, they ran out of stock for the black version

>>27831737
got a link? the one from other thread is completely sold out

>this close to buying a loli from hgdoll

somebody stop me

>>27832547
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FC2DLX6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_tl-IFb5NT10AP

>near microscopic hole on the side of my MOT
>lube and cum flood out
should i ride it out or is it time to try the perorin?

Can I get your favorite pick as to what lube you like to use? I've only used Onatsuyu ever since I started 4 years ago and I think its time to broaden my horizons. I think I want to go with something thinner so I can feel the sensations better (I'm already putting barely enough of Onatsuyu as is just to wet my stick and sometimes for the softer onaholes I can't even feel anything from their inner designs).

list of memes

>warmers
>drying sticks
>mason jar
>Venus
>Mouth of Truth
>Uterus
>Student Council President
>Virgin Age Admission

did I forget something

>>27835288
>>Student Council President
how did that one make it into the list

isn't this just a random ass hole

>>27815769
Temptation witch
Tekka Ikketsu Nisouhenge
Absorption Lilith Six Uterus

Those are just off the top of my head... I don’t want to open my drawer and start categorizing at 12:30am

>>27824797
Perorin isn’t as good as the original, in my opinion.

And this is from the guy who bought both when they each came out

Doll creeps GET OUT!

>>27825982
Those are some freaky looking hands

>>27830308
That’s what my thanksgiving turkey looks like when I fuck it

>>27744968
OI M8 YOU GOT A LICENSE?

>>27836155

>>27835288
onaholes

>>27835288
plush dolls

>>27833872
I've been very tempted to as well

>>27836155
Yeah, you tell 'em!

Please don't post dolls here.
People might get jealous.

I was dead set on finally buying a doll with this month's paycheck
So of course toy demon had to release a plush doll making me reconsider everything again

>>27837558
>People might get jealous
Of what? Not being a fucking weirdo who'll never get his dick wet?

>>27837766
It's okay, anon. Maybe some day your dream of doll ownership will also come true. And it will be exactly how you like it, with a big black cock.

>>27837766
>on 4chan
>on a peak weeb board
>on the peak degenerate general of that board
>calling other people "weirdo"

Some serious sour grapes right there

>>27837766
You don't belong here, I'm sure reddit has an onahole board

>>27837962
Stop projecting, it's almost as unhealthy as owning a doll.
>>27837976
Speaks volumes of how subhuman you are when even the most degenerate users on /jp/ call you a weirdo.

>>27830222
Protip to keep the area around the opening clean, stick the onahole in a sock with the open end folded over so its not way too long and leave the onahole sticking out slightly, the sock will absorb stray lube instead of the doll.

Its way better to keep plush dolls clean in the first place than to try and clean them after they get all nasty.

Wish me luck anons. I just bought a sex doll from aliexpress. Against the overwhelming judgement on this site, against the will of My Brain vs My Dick, against the will of spending 700ish usd in a pandemic.. i did it.

Pray for me. If not, at least give me a (You) to calm me down.

I know what your replies are and will be, but I still wanted it after fapping twice in a row and looking down at my puffy penis. I know what images you are going to use because greaterthansignalidickrot

But this is one of those things where I just had to delve into and dive into myself because my lust, want and need outweighed my common sense and I do not want to show you what I ordered until after it arrives due to premeditated ridicule from anonymous posters who in the long run will realize this is a brag post after reading the word "brag"

I can't get Mouth of Truth delivered to an Amazon locker I guess because its not being fulfilled by Amazon at the moment.
How often does this shit change?

>>27839822
Don't think with your dick.

>>27835288
>onahole

>>27839822
Whatever, it's your money.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

Otonajp EU didn't send my order.
Reminder not to order from otonajp, EU or not.
eu.otonajp.com links to www.otonajp.com/terms-conditions that says:
"We generally do not accept cancellations. All orders placed on otonajp are final. Any order that has been sucessfully paid can not be cancelled anymore in full or part. Please only place an order if you are sure that you will complete the purchase. Unpaid orders can be cancelled on request. For that, please contact our customer service centre."

Otonajp is a very shady "company". Don't give your money to them.

>>27840302
We warned you and you didnt listen no one ever fucking listens

Any respectable US based company to order from like toydemon? They're always out of the stuff I want.

I have a problem.

>>27840593
otonaUS7

>>27835875
It's brought up every time someone is looking for an "anal" hole

>>27797733
>You can check Venus price on the usual recommended place. Like motsutoys,
>90€
vs
>You can even check the actual price in yen in japan.
>5280¥
You're getting scammed either way.

>>27839822
>giving anyone on aliexpress more than $100

I’m crossing my fingers for you, anon...

>>27840302
Jesus fucking Christ do you not know how to read

>>27843964
Fuck off otonajp shill.

>>27840593
Amazon

>>27841457
Scrape up all that dried cum, grind it up into a single fat rail, and snort it all at once like a line of coke

>It’s not a problem, it’s an opportunity

>>27841771
They have nothing I want. This was the best you could recommend? Fucking idiot kys.

>>27843989
>calls out poster for being a fucking dumbass and not reading all the shitty experiences of otona fucking anything
>gets called an otona shill

wat

anon in japan who wants his babby's first onahole here, tf do i buy
>inb4 read sticky
the sticky is crustier than >>27841457 's glass, or at least that's what it seems like after lurking
15cm pp, 13cm girth
currently thinking of buying virgin loop http://onahodouga.com/archives/54454702.html
any other suggestions welcome, idk what the onahole metagame is whatsoever other than the basic outlines from the sticky

>>27844005
Please stop reccomending to people to buy from a glorified online bookseller.

>>27845018
Yes buy from otonajp, fuck bezos.

>>27839822
Aliexpress is fine if you know what you're doing and what to expect. One of my most wanted dolls is exclusive to alibaba.

>>27836951
HOT
MORE

>>27844161
Please. Fuck off otonajp shill.

>>27844870

You guys have no idea how much doll porn is out there especially on japanese sites

>>27844870
lusty slut if you want a hard onahole
julia+ if you want a soft one

>>27744968
Australia is literary a discount China nowadays.

>>27825982
>can allow a doll
>can't allow clothes made from quality fabrics
Those gloves look disgusting.

anyone know where to buy onahole in Taiwan?

>>27849483
Take a 2h flight to Japan.

>>27847692
How about linking some anon

>>27850429
They aren't hard to find on places like xvideos(jp) and pornhub. Just look up your waifu and if you are based and have good taste one of them will be a doll. I know a certain vampire and a certain ship has some for starters.

>>27850667
How bout just some links bud, channel names and the like

>>27847692
Which japanese sites?

sex with Hatsuse Izuna 2

>onas are in customs since a week now

>>27836951
what doll?

What does having a womb add to the feeling of an onahole? And is it hard to clean the womb?

>>27838098

>>27835288
how is a drying stick a meme? In my experience they been working great!

haven't been here in like a year, anything new for paizuri fiends or is it still the usual?

>>27834747
add water

>>27835288
>mason jar
>Uterus
When used together it's actually not a meme, it's fucking great. It's like the ona is milking your head.

>>27840070
pls respond, I can't buy shit unless I get it delivered to a locker. Do they ever restock/get fulfilled by Amazon again?

>>27836951
MY GOD I CAN'T HELP IT, I NEED TO PIN HER DOWN AND FILL HER UP WITH MY SEED

>>27858228
buy something else. the zemalia gina is a decent oral ona

>>27830725
Are the legs on that thing adjustable or are they stuck in that position?

>>27825835
>jelqing
who?

>>27839822
at least show us what doll it was
and which vendor

>>27841457
I don't understand this picture.

>>27857585
>When used together it's actually not a meme, it's fucking great. It's like the ona is milking your head.
I truly believe mason jar kept being pushed by very few people on /ona/. Possibly even a single mentally ill person.
As proof, there is no picture of the setup. It must be very niche. And logically, with no standards in both onahole and jar sizes, it should only work with few particular combinations of onaholes and jars. People who wanted to try it should keep buying onaholes/jars until they find a combination that works. And that if the trick even works.

>+ an additional 20% customs
I already regret this

FKD-3 xhamster. Cloth doll (not plastic doll) porn.
Krul Tepes.

>>27861993
>FKD-3 xhamster

Huh that fabric doll actually looks decent
What make is it?

>>27847333
>Retard detected

Hey, I've been extremely careful while cleaning up and haven't noticed any strange smells or anything. I've been using my onaholes about three hours a day since getting them about a week ago any right now my dick is really itchy. I took a shower today and the itch has begun to subside a lot but I have to wonder what's going on? Is this normal? It didn't seem like an actual infection or anything.

>>27858228
Get a PO box.

>>27835288
>Warmers are a meme
What?

>>27864238
>extremely care while cleaning
Then it could be irritation from overuse. Three hours a day is substantial.

I would be chaffed if I did that amount.

>>27864369
i got the one that comes for free from toydemon and i let it sit for 10 min and felt nothing

>>27840593
coolmalesextoy
these guys are aight, covid's just fucked them out of international shipping atm

>>27864653
I also got one from toydemon and it heats up. I don't know what to tell you anon.

>>27844870
just think with your dick for once and completely regret it, experience it at least once so you know what to expect from buying onas
>>27864905
explain nigga, does the warmer itself need to warmer or do i just stick the usb and the warmer in the ona?

>>27864238
what the other anon said, you use plenty of lube? maybe its your lube? anything you use out of the ordinary?

I did something lol

>>27865514
nice mound

Looking at the Ondo Nupu 2, does anyone know how tight those rings inside it are? Im a but worried they might be too tight as i am a bit unlucky with girth

>>27865514
>pubes
great taste friend
please link the art though I'd appreciate it

>>27866419
they make these for japs, so just keep that in mind i guess

>>27866584
i refuse to believe the stereotype about Japanese penises.
Because Japanese women definitely have normal sized vaginas right, not super small ones.

>>27866646
ive yet to see a really big one desu, and i download JAV by the boatload, vr or not, compared to burgers, which are commonly big, at least in porn

>>27865514
And i did some else..

>>27867506
I HOPE SHE LIKES ME

fedex is garbage
why is my shit still at tenessee when it needs to be in leafcuckland by 5 tomorrow

>>27839822
which one

>>27868818
Fedex is trash. I once ordered seom camera gear on the same day, and the stuff coming through USPS was like 4 days, while the stuff coming through fedex was over two weeks even though it came from a location only a quarter of the distance of the USPS package.

>Good hygiene, used onaholes for years with no problems
>Sudden rash out of nowhere in my junk for a few days now

Fuck I just want to use my holes

>>27871463
Even the holes have a shelf life my man

>>27834422
This actually any good? A lot of the reviews and videos look like hardcore shilling. Seems like the company sends their products to costumers for positive reviews.

>>27871513
How many years do you get out of yours?

>>27871513
I get rid of old ones. The most recent ones are old enough that I know I have no allergies but new enough that they won't be degrading or growing anything

>>27849483
anywhere that sells adult dvds

>>27871969
With lack of use and regular maintenance
I maybe got another 2 or 3 years out of it

I used to have this >>27792631
It was nice but got moldy so I've just been using my hand for the past year. I want to get another hole, any recommendations? I'm thinking a loli one but I don't know which ones are good

>>27873704
Can you be a little more specific
Like do you want something intense, something you can edge with for hours, something durable, do you have a price range, does it have to be loli
that kind of stuff

Oh god yes oh god yes oh god yes a Yuno cosplay doll

>>27873704
>>27873867
what does mold on ona look like

>>27873907
oh god please post more

>>27873928
warning, the face looks weird. but oddly enough I think it looks closer to a real anime style than many others.

>>27873867
Is there any that feel really fucking good? I'm just asking because I'm not super knowledgeable on these things

>>27873953
Still better than those meme faces. Lazuli is way better for anime style.

>>27873953
i can hear my wallet crying, it must be extremely expensive

>>27874536
I think it was around 2K. which isnt that bad in terms of dolls

What happened to https://www.onaholereview.com? I swear it was still up 2 months ago or so?

>>27842997
To be fair, there aren't many anal-based onaholes out there and it's basically the most known one.

>>27874083
my starters were the anri okita meiki, which is really fragile, take good care of it if you do decide to get it, and the mouth of truth, which is more durable and feels really good, meme or not, my balls dried up to these
if you're looking for loli, the lolinco extra virgin aparently has good suck and a great tunnel, while the perorin is a more loli version of the MOT, for deepthroat

>>27873914
black stains, it's really gross

>>27873907
>>27873953
Hot
What doll

>>27877040
They are pretty good. But sadly they are silicone so more expensive and less realistic

>>27877221
That didn't answer the question???

What helps to actually improve your sensitivity? Death grip has destroyed my ability to finish vaginal or blowjob. I just want to be able to finish with a girl. Now I just get anxious about finishing when with a girl that I don't have the motivation to try to talk to girls bc I fear the awkwardness of not finishing. Not to mention one girl I was with got real upset at me for not cumming.

>>27877555
use softer holes and stick to them, no more dick destroyers or tight af loli ones.

>>27877595
True, which would be some good soft ones?

>>27877655
any of them that have 'soft' in the title?

>>27877723
Sorry I'm new to the onahole community. I usually used a fleshlight. I'll look them up, just wanted some guidance on one's the community deems as better than others in terms of realism.

>>27877757
Read the fucking pastebin

>>27877555
>one girl I was with got real upset at me for not cumming
now I may be a khv but I'm pretty sure your pleasure is not necessary and lasting longer is better

>>27877785
She took offense to the fact I couldn't finish. She got self conscious thinking she was doing things bad since I wouldn't finish and therefore got upset.

>>27877757
I've only had one fleshlight, but it was pretty fucking soft. Like fucking a melted marshmallow.

>>27877655
i'd personally recommend starting with something like the deko boko moo moo by ride japan. Cheap and soft but still gives a good amount of pleasure and tightness. If you can't feel much from it initially try using a little less lube and stroking slower.

>>27877960
I'll look into it thanks for the rec! Yeah I just want something to help get more sensitive.

do you guys know of any hips that are like the lolinco virgo?

>>27877328
Looks like an elsa babe doll

>>27865449
I've been using the same lube I've been using for months. I can fap that long with my hands and I've gotten sore but I've never had the same itch. It's basically completely gone now and it's only been a day avoiding fapping. It's just super weird.

>>27876366
Is it not a good one? I was actually looking at that one earlier.

>tfw want to get a torso or even a doll
>still live with parents and sister
>barely have any privacy anyways
bros I just want something to hold/hold me when I sleep and sometimes fug

>>27879052
its the closest thing to anal besides from the real thing, lube it a lot and lube your dick, squeeze out the air and its good.

>>27824797
>>27834641
I prefer the original over the perorin.

>>27879208
Cool, might just get it.

>>27879296
I was also thinking of getting the original. I like the loli look of the perorin but not the tongue sticking out.

>>27879121
move out with your sister

>>27879121
Just desensitize them to it like I do. Whenever I get a package in the mail my family always asks what it is. So lately I just tell them it's sex toys, or if it's a big box it's something like a life size hermione granger fuck doll. They laugh because it's a silly joke but one of these days I won't be joking.

>>27879121
I have a stuffed shark from ikea thats kinda nice and warm to hug in bed, cant fuck it though.

>>27866584
Have you used it?
I'm not so much worried about the general hole since I'm sure it will probably strech enough, even my tenga does and it looks smaller. Just those rings.

>>27879121
Fuck the sister.

>>27879121
Fuck your sister.

how does he always do it?

>>27882118
Isn't it a chick? The hands in the breast-fondling videos were really small.

>>27882190
why would a chick buy onas and titts?

>>27728347
How handsfree are we talking? I don't want to hold the thing for 6 hours.

>>27835288

A Taciturn Girl Big

>>27836155
fuck off retard

>>27877769
No. Fuck off.

>>27879901
same here
like why do you care fuck off its not for you
stop asking every time

not a fan at all of the virgin age admission
Maybe it's too small or maybe it's too tight, not sure. But I feel like I'm forcing myself to cum when I use it. No where near the leg shaking orgasm I get from the lolicono

>>27882905
it's too tight and too short to cum comfortably and I have a small dick

to people reading archive: VIRGIN AGE ADMISSION is a meme, don't buy it

>>27728347
yo what is that and how much noise does it make when using it?

its still in memphis, and it has still has to clear customs and all that shit in 13 hours, what kinda miracle are they gonna pull?
good fucking lord no wonder they canceled the money back guarantee

>>27883097
Chinese product that seems to be sold under several brand name.
There are a couple of reviews of it on youtube sent out by the same webshop although im not sure if those are honest reviews. This random mong didn't seem to like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7N53Utbhcg but some others did.

>>27886885
Looks like it has a garbage insertion length, it's probably alright if you've got a small dick, but I'm still waiting for something half decent.

>>27882508
dildo covers

Are there any dolls that will make me feel like that?

>>27891832
dont think so. never seen a doll that was even 6ft tall and even then the thick ones are easily over 100lbs

>>27891832
Yes a sino doll. This is how it will look
https://xhamster.com/videos/big-ass-sex-doll-fuck-14779058

>>27877555
De-keratinize if you're a cutfag. It may sound like a hassle keeping your penis covered/moist 24/7, but it becomes second nature after a week. Sometimes I forget that I even have the thing on when walking about.
Keep in mind, this doesn't mean that de-keratinization takes a week (sometimes it takes months to even a year depending on a dozen or so factors). It's a strange process because slipups can reverse all the progress you were making. Although if you do plan on going the de-keratinized if you're cut, you should look up foreskin restoration. r/foreskinrestoration has an extensive guide to the process but it's also something that will take years for the desired result, and I'd rather not get into it on a thread dedicated to Japanese (and other) sex toys.

>>27882190
It's a dude, at least according to his Pixiv. Usually, Japanese aren't ones to lie about their gender (they simply won't mention it). That's more of a Californian thing.

>>27891832
There was that meme doll with the hoodie and the big ass that was making waves a while back. I know a few artists like Shadman made art of it.

>>27879052
Like what the other guy said, it's the closest to simulating actual anal sex. Whether that appeals to you or not is up to you. It's just that with it being an inanimate object, some people expect more. It's hard to call stuff memes, when many onaholes are subjective. Some people prefer fucking a marshmallow, while other people prefer fucking something plastiic.

Anyways, a true "memehole" is the Seventeen Bordeaux Soft since it breaks usually in a half-dozen uses no matter your dick size (even though it feels good). It has terrible separation issues.

>>27882508
Tits are fun to fondle no matter who you are. Onaholes though, maybe because we're talking about a japanese person?

>>27879121
>and sister
you have something better than a doll right there

>>27877555
I've basically been using tomax soft as my workhorse for the past year with occasionally harder holes and my dick sensitivity is still fucked up. I'm going on a nofap for a while now, but I also think I may have dried the fuck out of my dick with my fapping habits when I was younger so I'm going to see if moisturising my tip can help

whoooa there really is a lot of doll porn.

>>27883319
Honestly, sometimes shipping is crazy. When I've gotten stuff from Mandarake, it's come cross country in like 8 hours after clearing customs.

>>27899992
it is what it is...

>>27871947
Don't know haven't arrived yet, Will update around early November (need to give it thorough testing) But another anon said it's the best thing ever apperantly and that he can edge for 6 hours hands free, thats only reason I got it, wither it's shilling or not only time will tell.

are onas still worth it if you're a cutfag?

>>27907340
Yes. I even got a really soft one (Fuwa Pocha) and it was very much an improvement.
t. fellow cutfag

>>27877555
Subincision. Increases pleasure and sensivity like crazy. But most people would not want that, haha.

>>27907685
I'm a cutfag and I was jacking off lubeless until i was 16. I never once ripped my skin or got sore and I don't know how. Conditioner is the greatest discovery of my entire life. I came so hard the first time I used conditioner I literally could not walk for 45 minutes.

So I got the tomax dolphin hard version and I'm incredibly disappointed. It feels very soft and im not getting much sensation from it.

>>27909177
thats unfortunate.
maybe you need to break it in. It took a half dozen or so uses for me to warm up to some of the holes i bought.

I fell for the warmer meme. The one I got at least was worse than useless because it dried up my lube: https://www.toydemon.com/lotions-accessories/sleeve-warmer/onahole-easy-starter-set-warmer-dry-stick
The dry stick at least seems to work decently. But yeah if any of you are looking into usb warmers, stay away from this one. I think someone suggested sous vide'ing onas for better warmth retention, I may look into that assuming it wasn't a joke.

Venus Real very soft, Puni Virgin 1000 Fuwatoro or both?

>>27909541
Wouldn't an electric blanket work just fine?

>want to buy doll
>but mostly for dressing her up in cute clothes

I think I'm too far gone already

>>27909541
im >>27864653
and i tried it again, left it for some time, less than hour but the thing felt great, last time i only left it in for about 10-15 min, i'll try for 30 tonight see how it works

>>27910705
no, please go through with it, I like seeing anons dress up their dolls

>>27909541
The only time I really ended up with a properly heated onahole was when I went full retard and plugged a japanese plug into a jurop power socket without a proper voltage converter.
The warmer went instant hot, started smoking and died, but the result was pretty goddamn amazing.
I've never had the same result with those shitty USB things so far.
A better alternative is microwaving lube desu.

>>27882190
>>27896071
I went to his booth at comiket, can confirm he is a guy.

>>27912113
Have you tried just dropping the sleeve into a bucket of hot water for 10~ minutes?

Worked back when I had a fleshlight.

>>27911281
I think you have a different warmer than mine, but I'll give this a shot tomorrow and will report back. Did you use lube with it at all or put the lube in after?

>>27912235
i put a glob in to help it go through cause its a lolinco, also i figured water might hold some heat

Why does toydemon remove the box for virgin age admission, the girl is fully clothed

>>27912157
hot water is kinda meh for onas desu; the heat goes away pretty fast
fleshlights probably hold the heat a little better due to the encapsulating plastic case

just heat your onahole with your dick lol

>>27879121
If you're relatively normal it might be a leap, but my family knows I'm a loser nerd that plays with dolls so they weren't particularly surprised when I got a big one. My sister helped me shop for her clothes.

>>27912517

>>27912517
>My sister helped me shop for her clothes.

>>27912452
That's fine and all but I've already done that hundreds of times now so I want to explore different ways of enhancing the experience. I'm sure eventually I'll fall into some rabbit hole and come out the other side with a VR headset, doll, prostate massager, and nipple clamps (or perhaps as an escortcel) but for now I just want to take small steps and see where those get me.

>>27912517

>>27912517
You may have spergers or autism

/dollcore/

Anything I'm missing?

>>27879121
Get rid of your dad and become the real man of the household. Then fuck your mommy and your sister.

>>27913286
Get a wig brush, a wig stand with model head and probably a garment steamer. I heard they work great for maintaining wigs. One of the biggest problems I have is the fucking wigs man they get tangled up all the fucking time, especially the long ones.

>have to move with my parents
>10 years of buying onaholes
>there are even onaholes unpacked

Throw the Shit all away or still have 3-5 in emergency?

>>27883319
>>27901404
when do I start making a move on this? its 6:20, the tracking hasn't budged from memphis and the robo assistant is still telling me its going to a nearby fedex station for pickup

>>27913286
>hair brush
>cornstarch and powder brush
>makeup supplies
>plastic bags and rubber bands for tying up metal bits during bath time
>bath supplies
>toilet bucket to sit on during sponge bath
>a chair
>weight set

>>27912517
That's actually kind of nice.

>>27877221
newbie questions here
I've always wondered about doll maintenance and what the holes themselves are made of.
a typical onahole isn't made of silicone, right? it needs to be powdered so it doesn't get all sticky and gross, does a doll need that as well?
are a dolls holes also made out of silicone or can they be made with the same material as an onahole?

>>27910705
>dressing her up
This. Also headpats.

>>27891832
If you look hard enough you can find anything.

>>27882603
I've gotten it completely hands free by letting it sit up against my desk in front of me, letting it do all the work and make me cum without any interaction from myself feels fucking amazing.

>>27883097
Surprisingly little. I turned it on and walked out of my room and could hear nothing. I forget it's even running after a while.

>>27887904
Yah the length isn't amazing, I'd say if you're over 5 1/2 inches maybe don't get it. I'm 5 inches and able to just about fit the whole thing in. However Dave London did a review of it and gave it a 10/10 and that dude has one of the biggest dicks in porn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmpM3r5ukHc

This thing isn't going to feel like actual sex or anything you're used to with an onahole. If you're looking for that probably get the handy. It's more like having your dick in someone's mouth and they're constantly trying to swallow you down their throat.
Something like this https://xhamster.com/videos/amateur-gloryhole-deepthroat-swallow-5170060

>>27922733
>I'd say if you're over 5 1/2 inches maybe don't get it
fuck
do they have something like for 7 - 7 1/2 inches?

>>27923055
I haven't found any of these "auto suckers" that go over like 5 inches. Maybe look at getting the handy. I plan on getting one whenever they work out the hands free mount system.

>>27849483
Shopee and pcHome

>>27918424
Some dolls are silicone but most aren't and need to be powdered once a week or so.

Hey Friends I need some help in choosing my next onahole. My favorite onahole and the one I started with was
>PPP Secret Lover Himekano
I don’t really have an opinion on the outside shaping but the inner was amazing. Also if it got to the point where I was starting to feel desensitized to it all I would need to do was rotate. So sad it developed a hole. So all in all I was stoked to have it as my first ona.

Other holes I’ve tried are:
>VA:A, VA:A Hard, Sujiman Kupa Roa Hard, Sujiman Kupa Lolinco, Virgin Helix Loop Hard, Puni Virgin mini, Nikuman, Puni ana roid
The other holes were all right but none came close to Himekano in terms of blowing my load.

The holes I’m looking into getting are:
>Atelier, Office love Sex Senpai Cowgirl, or Julia+ (you can search the names in Toydemon)

Atelier: I kinda want to try a vacuum chamber to see if it blows my mind. Office love Sex Senpai Cowgirl: I have an office lady senpai fetish and this hole inner looks interesting plus Onahodouga gave it the first 5* from tamatoys! Julia+ is more of a, I want to try it out since I heard good things about it, and it might be the closest to Himekano in terms of satisfaction for me.

Also I’m looking into getting some other lube. The only one I’ve tried was Onatsuyu and Pepee. I only tried Pepee once and I prefer Onatsuyu and it’s what I’ve been using for the past 4 years. Looking into getting something lighter which may be:
>Meiki Bliss or Insomnia

If I could get some advice on the next ona and lube purchase that would be great!

>>27922733
So it just suctions and vibrates? Doesn't seem worth 40 bucks. That dave London guy is definitely getting paid by them even though he said they're not. He started shilling it before even trying it.

>>27929112
i dont know about the youtuber, but its the fact that its automatic, which seems great on paper cause i could just sit down with my VR headset and coom without putting much effort into it

>>27744837
Are there any onaholes just like the one in OP? Just a simple transparent jelly tube. Usually see the orange ones around but not IRL

I'm tempted to buy another Lolinco Virgo since I got rid of my old one. I had gotten 2 hips after that but were disappointed by both (they were both single layer and I think that's why)
Should I just pull the trigger on the Virgo or is there a 2 hole hip out there that's as good as it?

>>27931372
just used the virgo, never owned a hip, but this thing still slaps no matter which side you use
>>27930651
ill spoonfeed you just this once, short answer, not really, long answer, the amagake and the umi mermaid or shark ones have blue almost transparent materials, also read the fugging bastepin

>>27935162
>but this thing still slaps no matter which side you use
I feel like I spoilt myself getting it as my first onahole
I mostly want a hip for my anal pen fantasies but it probably won't even make that much of a difference
plus a virgo is more easily concealable

>>27935243
if it wasn't for my living conditions id probably get a hip, it must feel great to go balls deep and wipe the sweat of your brow
i dont have any recommendations but which hips did you get so i put them on my buyer beware list

>>27935371
>which hips did you get so i put them on my buyer beware list
puni ana re and niku-man 2200
again, I'm fairly confident I didn't like either of them because they're single layer
If there was a hip like the niku-man 2200 but dual layer it'd probably be nothing short of amazing

>>27935505
funny, i just ordered the OG nikuman cause the tunnel looked violent, looking at the promo pics for the 2200, the tunnel looks a lot more blunt(?)
also the tunnels for both hips look a little similar, could that be why? there's a lot hips that dont have the dual layer yet still offer a funky tunnel

>>27935371
Not him but meiki kiwami is my absolute favorite hip, out of like 6 different ones I owned over the years.

>>27935654
I think it was just the material being too soft that I didn't like, didn't feel stimulating even with minimal lube
plus they would make these loud "gushy"(?) noises that made them unpleasant to use since I still live with family

>>27840302
If you weren't a motsutoys or omochadreams shill falseflagging you would just contact your bank for a chargeback like a normal person.

>>27840302
I actually ordered something there, and when it was lowered in price the day after, I got the difference back. Was pleasantly surprised, actually.

>>27939314
Sure.

>>27922733
How messy is that shit? I feel like letting it sit up will make lube run down to your balls and drip everywhere.

>>27784431
very comfortable. I have the original and the version with the arms. It's totally different to using the onaholes by themselves. I like to use soft version TOMAX onaholes with it.

For some it may be to light but i guess you could put some weights in it if you wanted to.

how is that meiki plush better than just the standard way of laying a big pillow on top of an onahole?
doesn't seem worth the hassle to hide it every time someone comes in

Been lurking here occaisionally and seen the positeve opinion of jap toys over western but as a gay man there seems to be zero offering for me.
https://www.jlist.com/tmt943
https://www.jlist.com/ao136
these two sre the only sensible options i found, lenght in both seem fine for me (im 17cm) but my girth consrens me, "anal doctor" should be looser if reviews are correct, will 15cm circumference be a problem? any other recomendations for my man ass needs?

>>27949793

>>27949818
but i have money and then ill be off

>>27949793
>but as a gay man there seems to be zero offering for me.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=K2Man&rh=n%3A2132581051&__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A&ref=nb_sb_noss

also don't buy from Jlist.

>>27949926
>then ill be off
Offing what? Yourself?

>>27950429
thanks for the kek, i walked into that one
>>27950252
neat, now these look more like it

>>27949793
so anal type holes? As mentional above "student council president is probably the closest to the real thing, its very tight though but not unusable (i have the same girth) Just need to use lube on your dick and entrance more liberally than usual, squeeze air out before insertion for some nice suction.

i'm not usually one for traps but, why the is this guy so cute?

>>27952291
gay

>>27939511
Not trying to shill, it's just my sole experience with the company.

>>27952609
chances are he is actually a trap (girl dressed as a boy) so it might not be gay.

>>27952952
That sounds even more shill.

>>27951377
I've tried anal since I bought the student president and the real thing is apparently just as much of a skin tugger. The physical difference though is that it's not just the entrance that grips you but part of the inside too. Still didn't really find it that good though to be frank

>ordered the new meiki plush from toydemon
>export go germany
>scheduled to arrive after only 4 days of shipping

not bad

>>27912273
Because not everyone is a generate pedo. Especially the authorities.

>>27952952
Otonajp, why shill on /ona/? That's just retarded. Simply buy, resell, and ship the onaholes. It's not complicated.

>>27959188
Apparently shipping product to people who pay for it is too hard for them to handle, so they might not be that intelligent.

>>27959472
If anything it's genius. They got the money, but they don't need to send the products.
All onahole bloggers are paid otonajp shills. People who're new to this hobby, how shitty a company otonajp is.
Hell, even with the warning on every thread, people still buy from otonajp.

did the German anon end up getting arrested by the Gestappo for his loli madchen?

>>27957571
(You)

>>27960242
If everyone keeps falling for it then the warning isn't good enough now is it?

>>27961796
It doesn't matter how good the warning is. The warning used to be way more descriptive, even explaining why OtonaJP is not to be trusted and we still had people falling for it.
It's just so odd that people still choose to buy from company where in their very own ToS states that they are not obliged to fulfill your orders after receiving payment, especially since AmazonJP ships internationally now (although not for all of their products).

>>27961796
Or maybe some people (retards) only learn once they've been burnt. I don't understand why anyone bothers at this point, just let them play onahole roulette if that's what they want to do.

>>27962547
People don't read the pastebin, they just go straight to ordering then bitching in this thread after it inevitably doesn't move

Are there any uterus holes with a "ring" in it to make the cervix sensation more noticeable?

>>27962547
Wow otonaJP sound like a bunch of horseshit niggers. I will make sure to never purchase anything from them.

>>27952952
lolllllll, try harder otona

>toydemon says carnivous mermaid will be in stock today, yesterday
>it's still not in stock, estimate date gone
Does anyone know how accurate their estimates on things coming in stock are? I was hoping to put in an order this week.

Any of you ever forget you used an onahole only to turn it upside down and have the cum fall out onto your floor?

>>27973613
no

>>27973613
no

>>27973720
>>27974110
only me then?

>>27973613
I've done that by accident too but not because I forgot I used it, but because it slipped out of my slippery hand
as a rule I use my left hand as the wet hand meaning applying lube and re applying when needed
and my right hand as the dry hand that handles the outside of the ona and anything else like mouse and vr controller
when finished I pulled the ona off with my left hand and it slipped