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Indeed.

If Archer was my father, things would be different.

If Archer was possible future self, things would be different.

If Archer was me, things would be different.

That's a little weird that you all wish to bone of his sword.

>>2772364
>If Archer was my
My bad

Lame character, also a massive pussy. Opinion, not troll.

>>2772366
If I was the bone of my sword, things would be steel and fire.

>>2772370

When you see one.

I think Archer is a pretty cool guy, eh is the bone of his sword and doesn't afraid of anything

So did he bang her or what ?

>>2772531
Well, he IS Shirou. So yeah, kind of.

>>2772531
Reported negative. Theres those doujins though... We will never know the truth.

>>2772531
Definitely not in UBW route.
If he did, and she wasn't hooked in his past self so much, things may had been different.

>>2772541
But the Shirou that became Archer likely didn't bang Rin. If a clone of you had sex, you'd still be a virgin.

>>2772575
Ah, those selfcest and multiple experience questions...

>>2772575
>clone
I don't think you followed the story through.

>>2772591
I did. I'm aware they're not clones, but they're similar in that they're the same person but not the same person. My original point stands, Archer (likely) did not do Rin.

>>2772591
Even if they had the exact same start, whether it's alternate universe, time paradox or clone engineering, Archer has become a very different person, and THAT Shirou's experiences are not included on his own 100%.

Look at this sexy back, goddamn.

Considering UBW Shirou definitely does not become Archer due to Rin loving and that I am 90% certain Mind of Steel Shirou becomes archer I would say Archer did not sex up Rin unless it happened between HF and his eventual death.

>>2772616
>I am 90% certain Mind of Steel Shirou becomes archer
I don't think any Shirou we seen becomes Archer

>>2772616
Mind of Steel is probablly not it, since the flashbacks betray that Archer went through earnestly and with hope, not realizing (or wanting to) the ugliness of fulfilling his ideal in this impossible world (that happened after his death). Mind of Steel Shirou who would sacrifice Sakura would be far less disillusioned.

>>2772624
Its not a Shirou that we see in FS/N.

>>2772635
That's my point. If a Shirou we saw in F/SN becomes Archer, that would create a fuck-huge paradox.

>>2772643
Nah, not really.
If Fate Shirou became somehow Archer and appeared in UBW or HF, it wouldn't be much trouble.
But none of them, including Bad End possibilities seem a good basis for Archer.

>>2772612
I'm gar for that back. I have been ever since the words "Yeah. Buying you some time is fine, but-- You won't mind if I beat that thing, right?"

So goddamn manly. ;_;

>>2772656
>If Fate Shirou became somehow Archer and appeared in UBW or HF, it wouldn't be much trouble.
Archer is summoned and the holy grail war starts > Shirou becomes Archer > Archer is summoned and the holy grail war starts

You don't see the huge paradox there? Archer would have to have the same origins, which isn't possible without dividing by zero and creating a black hole destroying the universe.

>>2772734
Except that, um, he already has different origins from any of the 'mainline' Shirous, so by your logic the universe should implode.

And they actually address that IN THE VN. They specifically say 'Counter Guardians and the Throne of Heroes exist outside of time, so alterations to time won't affect them' in UBW.

>>2772734
Not really, otherwise none of his appearances would be allowed.

>>2772748
>he already has different origins from any of the 'mainline' Shirous, so by your logic the universe should implode.
What? I'm saying if he had the SAME origins, it would create a paradox, because Archer couldn't exist without an Archer existing before him to push the events that happened to make him exist.

If he has different origins, there's no problem.

eh kills servents and doesnt afraid of anything

>>2772769
Even in the same origins route, he exists outside conventional temporal mechanics.

Even if EVERY Shirou in every parallel world was wiped out before reaching 20, Archer would be unaffected. Same if he visited each at the same specific moment.

His only slight hope of a paradox is if he was the one who actually killed Shirou, cause 'Emiya killing Emiya', even as a Counter Guardian, is weird enough.

You really shouldn't try to think too hard about it, and instead just ignore the holes and just try to enjoy the game as written.

>>2772791
My point is, he couldn't exist at all. He needs an initial beginning. If that beginning was one of the Shirous in F/SN, it creates a paradox because before he began, he already existed.

Maybe I'm underthinking it, but it seems that way to me.

>>2772797
The game itself tells you 'Just being there does not constitute a paradox no matter what', so it's easy.
But many people here want to know what results into Archer.

>>2772803
Since he is SHirou, he has the same beginnings no matter what (since apparently all three route Shirous and Archer had the exact same events till the Grail War started), so your line of thinking is wrong by default.

>>2772805
We already know what does. It is in all likelihood a Shirou that we didn't see in FS/N. None of them have the all of the right characteristics to become Archer.

>>2772815
>till the Grail War started
This is an extremely important part, though. I don't think you're understanding me.

Like I said, for an F/SN Shirou to become Archer, Archer would have to exist before he existed to push the events that made him exist. First there would have to be a world in which Archer didn't already exist, which obviously isn't the Shirou in F/SN.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HIS naa, screw it.
>>2772845
>Like I said, for an F/SN Shirou to become Archer, Archer would have to exist before he existed to push the events that made him exist.
Mindfuck. Still, I believe that Shirou could have become Archer even after seeing his future self.

So...What happens if Shirou becomes a counter guardian, but with a different ideal than Archer?

Do two Archers appear in the throne of heroes, or do they become one?

Didn't Nasu confirm that Archer was from the lost Ilya route?

>>2772845
That's where you are wrong.
With Archer becoming something out of the normal realm and outside common temporal mechanics, there is no such need.

>>2772867
Ilya dies a year later, that's what sets him off towards becoming a counter guardian.

>>2772867
Nope. Archer beginnings are a mystery. Only theories.
>>2772865
If he is worth it and about as good/powerful as the other guy, he may co-exist or replace him. The logic/process that the heroes and guardians are drafted is not bound by simple human standards.

>>2772881
Then...Would they acknowledge each other and be able to look each other in the eyes with old Archer finally being able to say, "You dumb fuck, I warned you this would happen."

>>2772870
Maybe that makes sense in the Nasuverse, but it doesn't in the real world

>>2772894
Real World...?
THIS IS TYPE-MOON!!!

>>2772894
The concept of parallel worlds, timelines and time-traveling doesn't make sense in the real word in the first place, it just strays from the simple established 'What-If' most people use, by considering time as a simple dimension or something that can be properly measured, which disagrees with many other things in the first place.

>>2772888
They are Archers They use this as a chance to fuck around with Rin.

>>2772916
So do relativistic and quantum theories. What is your point?

>>2772926
what if next time they get summoned into a grail war...They BOTH get summoned?

rin would have two servants.
that'd be pretty sweet.

>>2772950
Many of these have been properly observed or we have seen clear effects of within our sphere of understanding.
Time mechanics, we haven't.

>>2772957
Twin Archer summoning? Considering the fact that EMIYA is a cheater in terms of Servant rules?

Sure, why not just give her the grail in a golden platter.

>>2772957
One for the front, one for the back.

>>2772979
I'd figure getting multiple servants from a single legend would make sense.

Since the thing that summoned Archer would be the same thing that summoned Archer, she'd get both.

>>2772979
Shirou in the third hole, and its the EMIYA FEST.

>>2772845

I don't think there's a 'first' Archer, for it would void the whole 'outside of the time line' thing. I think that:

a) the Throne of Heroes comes 'as is'. There's a bunch of heroic spirits ethernally existing there, meaning they can't be added or removed. They just transcend back to the throne or not depending on the universe.

b) Everyone is in the Throne of Heroes, but only 'inhabit' a part contained within a series of timelines. For example, you can't summon into the regular f/sn timeline as Servant Archer the Shinji Mato of an alternate universe where Shinji is badass, became a Counter Guardian and a loli.

Damn, time travel always requires QUANTUM PHYSICS

>>2772916
too many people think time is a straight path with no deviations. quantum mechanics pretty much invalidates this, and FS/N already makes multiple references to it. go back and read the description for jeweled sword zelretch

>>2773009
While we're on the topic of impossibilities, why not consider that EMIYA can project EMIYA?

After all he's made of swords, what's stopping him from tracing himself, who in turn traces another self, and so forth, until all of Fuyuki is flooded in a swarm of EMIYAs?

>>2773052
Archer dual wielding Shrious.

>>2773052
He is not made/'structured' of swords.
He is a moving world that contains swords.
And that's the only thing he can do.
Creating a world that contains a world that contains swords, he can't.

At least with his current mentality.
I wonder how fucked up Shirou would have to be, for his only magic to be creating Shirous in different versions.

>>2773080
More like Ilya summons F/Z's Berserker instead.

All you have to do is wait until he either grabs Archer of Shirou, imagine the hilarious fun that would follow.

>>2773080
More like Ilya summons F/Z's Berserker instead.

All you have to do is wait until he either grabs Archer or Shirou, imagine the hilarious fun that would follow.

>>2773101
We know that, but you're missing the point.

Still, considering the fact that Shirou jumps in front of an attack to help someone, what would happen in a case of Unlimited Shirou Works? They'd all rush in front of each other to see who gets dibs on the attack?

>>2772957>>2772986>>2772979

How about one regular Archer and the other was like some dark corrupted version who said, "Fuck you!" to his idea and became a selfish bastard only interested in physical pleasures. So, we'd have Archer trying to protect Rin from getting seduced from the Pimp Archer.

>>2774069
Too many Fucking Emiyas in a single story.

>>2774088
There's NEVER to many EMIYAS fucking.

If anything Archer NEEDS to get laid. I think that whole time paradox thing is because he hasn't gotten any for a long time.

>>2774111
My little funny theory is that he misses Rin, and that's why in UBW, where Rin sticks to Shirou, he gets pissed and makes up Reasons in the fly concerning damnation and bullshit, and why he even entertained/let a space for Shinji to rape her, so Shirou could not have her.

AKA, He has a chance to relive love and his younger self stands in the way.
Silliest love fight ever.

>>2774133
UBW Archer is a true asshole, no doubt.

Let's just face it, Shirou was tailored to be an uncatchable voyeur.

The ability to see through and analyze the inside of objects, incredibly good eyesight with the possibility to enhance it further with magic. Seriously, he can have all the fun he wants.

>>2774205
Too bad he's too emo about his past to have actual fun.

>>2774205
If he trained his strengthening even more, He'd be able to strengthen his legs and increase his escape speed when spotted.

Fate Archer is still my favorite Archer. Seriously.

"Yeah, buying time is alright... but will you be upset if I actually win?"

God. Damn. Bad. Ass.

>>2774133
I . . . think I love you. I mean, there were hints about it, like how exactly he knew how to make her tea and made sure the house was warm for her when she woke up the the prologue. That, and he tenderly stroked her hair before dying in Heaven's Feel.

>>2774239
And there was when GAR was born. I like Archer in all the routes, but that was pretty damned bad assed in Fate.

>I'd figure getting multiple servants from a single legend would make sense.
More mindfuck. Imagine a male Arthur and Arturia on the same Grail war.
I mean, if a servant can be a work of fiction, then alternative dimensions should be fair play too, right? Servants get stronger depending on their skills and the number of people who praises them (that's why /jp/ wanted Archer's legend to get known: to make him strong enough to break his bond with Gaia) and how many people praise and remember a female Arthur? Close to none.

>>2774460
One: You can't summon fictional heroes (Assassin is a different case, can explain later).
Two: Popularity boost isn't THAT great.
It's more of a slight boost. Could be a tiebreaker if Servants had similar stats/style, like whether you operate on the land you usually did.

>>2774460
That arises the most problematic part of all, a magus semen. All the male one had to do is pump the female one like a living mana battery while she would go around firing Eksukalibahs left and right.

One would be overpowered through legend, the other through the sheer amount of mana inflow.

Still doesn't beat Emiya tracing Emiya's or multiple Emiya's for that matter, a cheater will always come on top provided he plays his cards well.

>>2774460

>then alternative dimensions should be fair play too, right?

FUCK.
How does the Kaleidoscope interact with Akasha? Does Akasha exist universally in them all, or does it just happen to be this one?
TELL US THESE THINGS NASU

Since Rin is one of the Old Man's heirs, you know what would be awesome?

After the end of Heaven's Feel she masters the Second Magic and goes to yank Archer out of the dimension he came from to save him.

>>2774577
Looking kind of pimp there, Zelretch

>>2774648
I was kinda thinking that myself.

No wonder Tokomi looks like a gambler/pimp . . . .

>>2774577
It's the Root of everything.
It's what gave birth to everything(including alternate realities), and what contains the info about it.
We don't know how any true magic apart from HF works at all, but it prolly gets info from the Root and just allows you to go wherever(or draw info from elsewhere).

Terrifying thought.

Rin and Shirou have a kid. Kid inherits Rin's ridonkulous mana capacity and Average One nature, and Shirou's Reality Marble and skill with Tracing.

>>2774771
I thought being skilled with a single spell was different for each magus?

Which is why Magus's pass on there crests with each generation, to share there skill with there spells with future generations...

...So uh, can Shirou transfer his abilitys even though he never recieved a crest?
Would he be able to create one just for his tracing abilitys?

>>2774771
With Rin's killer looks and Shirou's hair too?

Jesus, the child would be . . . like Aoko but tomboy moe.

>>2774771
Shirou's abilities are non-inheritable. He gained his RM and affinity for tracing through circumstance, not nature.

>>2774771
Reality Marbles can't be inherited
He/she would still get Rin's Magic Crest, though

>>2774855
Okay, then we'll call it sheer dumb luck that the child inherits them. Jesus, nitpick the premise all to hell when the conclusion is the point, why don't you.

Oh hey guys whats going on in this thread ?

>>2774885
Why don't you imagine Aoko and Shirou's kid instead?

Or even better yet, Aoko and Shiki have a girl that inherents both parents abilities. Same with a Shirou and Rin pair having a boy.

Now have those two making a child of their own. Can you imagine what would happen, Anon?

>>2775428
>Aoko's Fifth Magic, incredibly efficient and destructive circuits. [Possible Aozaki's crest, if she was in charge of it or if they even had one to begin with]
>Shiki's Eyes of Death Perception, Nanaya bloodline body and instincts.
>Rin's incredible capability and prana capacity, Tohsaka's Crest.
>Shirou's analyzing ability and eyesight, Projection/Tracing, Reality Marble complete with knowledge from all the swords he ever saw.

Hello, Type-Gaia.

>>2775428
No. Want to know why? Because i dont spend every second of my pathetic life thinking about the OMFG POWERLEVEL H4XXX offspring of nasuverses inhabitants.

Son, i am dissapoint.

>>2775481
>Rin's inheritance of the Second Magic.
Making it a user of 2 of the 5 Magics and a downgraded First Magic. Forgot to mention it.

>>2775481
Bricks were shat.

King of Heroes HIJACK

KING OF HEROES?

>>2775969
More like Son Of Bitches

>>2775969

manly death

>>2776479

But he's not dead...

at least he was not then.

>>2776669
Ok then, MANLY SHIELDING.