/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Do people (from here) use that site for anything other than watching memes?

>>26381367
I unironically do when I'm looking up walkthroughs for old Sega Saturn or Pc Engine jrpgs. Their TASes that don't get uploaded anywhere else are also great.

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9_CdtWYhXRU

kumikyoku is still an absolute banger to this day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dxiTuPy9dQ

>>26380969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIRAAF05NM

>>26380969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUIBnElcLCM

The one on nico is deleted long long ago

>>26381367
Just memes and rhythm game ranking vids

I never see the latter on youtube so yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPJ6qL1720k

>>26380969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bA7IlbHac

I miss the flash videos, but I guess flash is about to die for good, so that ship has sailed several times over.

Nico started with higher resolution than youtube. I stopped going there 10 years ago, but whenever I stop by, the site seems to be just as shitty as it was back then.

>>26380969
I don't hear about this site much anymore, is it because a lot of nips are moving to Youtube or something? I really miss looking at words rolling across the screen.

shitty dying site, pointless when no one comment spams anymore

I used to use it all the time for Vocaloid releases and MMD videos. There were some interesting IRL streamer weirdos too that were interesting. HikiNEETs and shit.

>>26395546
>flash is about to die for good
Flash has been dead for years now, but I get what you mean that this is the final nail in the coffin.

>>26384919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cepXLReu1aU this shit would never happen today.

nostalgic

>>26381367
It's useful for old seiyuu stuff since everything used to be upped there and the tags work well. Too bad almost everyone stopped and now Youtube is a clusterfuck of reuploads and shitty search engine.

I watch livestreams on it sometimes, it's more fun than other sites, fewer people and not a clusterfuck so everyone can read each other's comments. last christmas had a comfy fireplace stream where a guy burned a ton of different types of wood. I'm scared of niconico dying, it's one of the few soulful websites left

It's still used for Voiceroid stuff. Fuck Vt*bers.

Aloe was a mistake but she was right about utaites.

How do you access the new NSEN group streams? Is it a paid only feature?

>>26418832
>I'm scared of niconico dying, it's one of the few soulful websites left
Just because it's community is shrinking and small enough to breathe in doesn't make it a soulful site by any means. They literally make you pay to watch videos in a decent quality, and not buffer them to an ungodly degree, and god forbid you watch a stream with a low viewer-cap or want to buffer a video. It's a shitty site, through and through, and the community is the only saving grace of it until you realize that's just your own ankle-deep perspective. The website barely gets moderated, I've yet to see more than one guro video on the site but I've seen plenty of other fucked up things on there. Hell, bringing it back to the cancer the 't*bes have brought to the site like the other anon mentioned, there's videos on there that get hundreds of thousands of views that are just doxxing them, and one time I saw a video with real names and a satellite shot of where they presumably lived. Some real fucking dark shit that's clearly a majority, because niconico doesn't even get half a million hits per day but I've seen some of those videos go up to 300k in a day.

>>26395546
>>26413516
Yeah, browsers hardcode removing the support for flash plugin is the final push for every company which has had a IDGAF response it being discontinued.

>>26461525
>one time I saw a video with real names and a satellite shot of where they presumably lived.
Oh no, it's like they're celebrities in the news!

>>26404481
>Nico started with higher resolution than youtube.
That was more of a convenient byproduct of their original upload system than a core feature.

Basically niconico started out as a comment overlay to youtube, so they avoided having to serve video directly at all. Without getting approval from youtube. Naturally youtube wasn't to thrilled with that arrangement, and blocked their direct player access.
So Niconico had to come up with a way to serve videos that was "good enough" while also being cost efficient in storage, bandwidth, processing, etc. Basically no video upload site with a free service like Youtube's was close to turning a profit, Niconico didn't have the kind of VC cash freefall to burn, and bandwidth and hosting in Japan are/were considerably more expensive for the provider than in the West.

So unlike nearly every other popular video website, Niconico chose not to re-encode videos that users uploaded by default. Instead, it was the responsibility of the uploaders to properly encode the final video for the site. After 2009, the MP4 limits were:
>Free users
-600kbps combined audio/video bitrate or less
-800x600 resolution or less (upped to 720p in 2012)
-40MB or less
-No FPS bitrate
>Premium users
-100MB or less
-No audio, resolution, or FPS bitrate

And this was also with limited total storage space for accounts. Keep in mind that a user could also avoid their video getting a severely degraded "economy mode" encoding if their video was already within the free user limits.

So a premium user could have a video with essentially any encoding settings as long as it was under 100MB. For things like music uploads, greenscreens, and just stuff which could benefit from optimized encoding, it was pretty cool.

In practice though, most people stuck with NND's recommended settings for the player, leading to most videos just being in 360p/480p. Also, that 100mb limit is less worthwhile once you start getting videos over 5 minutes or so. And free users, the video quality was usually inferior to what they could get on youtube, unless their video actually looked decent at 600kbps.

Overall, it was more of a pain for users to work with that system, even assuming they understood video encoding, and Niconico changed to an implementation of re-encoding video into different standard qualities in 2016.

>>26428650
Yeah, it's ¥330.
If you're a premium user already, it is supposedly free for the first month.

It looks like an almost abandoned service IMHO. Basically all it really is a 24hr touhou radio stream hooked into Niconico's livestreaming infrastructure, with a request feature on the Touhou side. It looks like the Vocaloid side hasn't even broadcast since 2017.
You'd do better with a free 2hu radio service. Not to shill, but https://gensokyoradio.net/music/playing/ .

>>26461525
>Just because it's community is shrinking and small enough to breathe in doesn't make it a soulful site by any means. They literally make you pay to watch videos in a decent quality, and not buffer them to an ungodly degree, and god forbid you watch a stream with a low viewer-cap or want to buffer a video.
Agreed. The only other saving grace is the NND is generally conservative in making changes, and not ALL of them are negative (though most are neutral at best). The new mobile-friendly website redesign is kind of a pain, for example, but it doesn't fundamentally alter the functionality.

Even with literal CCP pre-approval filter, Bilibili comes out ahead of Niconico in making a site that panders to its base effectively. If a Chinese website can win over vtubers and make a working monetization model over Niconico, you know the latter is not doing so hot.

You want to know a site which is still soulful despite reclining?
Newgrounds.
That's my go-to example for a for-profit site where the owners and the community have a largely symbiotic relationship. There's probably others, if not in the media-hosting side of things. I honestly think it could make a resurgence in the future if they manage to attract more niche groups of artists/audio/video/game makers.

>The website barely gets moderated, I've yet to see more than one guro video on the site but I've seen plenty of other fucked up things on there.
I mean, this is 4chan. Even if this is /jp/, I think most people would take light moderation over heavy.
But I can confirm you're right. Back when the player would let the uploader redirect the viewer to another video when it finished, I more than once got redirected to people filming at playgrounds that fed into some sort of endless loop.
Not usually an issue if you stick to tags/mylist sorts, though.

i just want the danmaku feature

>>26555174
There's multiple extensions and scripts for adding this feature to basically every video or streaming website that doesn't have it, you just have to look for them, and in the case of Youtube hope the one you're using doesn't break whenever they update the backend at complete random and destroy/break parts of scripts.

>>26384919
I still can't get over the fake subs for the DQ/FF part

>>26553048
>b*li
That cancer-script riddled nico rip-off successed is purely because it is backed CCP government. They literally announced gachi is banned on that site in a country-wide news to attract viewers and push off any competition. They have the similar monetize model like pay for hd video and time seek plus download botnet to download like YT. And chinks have no choice but give in. If you knew any chinkrune you could see it from their Youtube tier danmaku commemt.
The nico's problem is more rooted in the conservative industry as a whole, where they rather make the safest choice. In recent years nico still host those live event pushing ZUN and other uploader on the stage as if they are some kind of TV celebrities.

>moderation
It was their own incompetentce more than anything.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21988822

>>26388895
WOW this one sure takes me back... I don't even know where I know it from, probably me searching for NDS homebrew stuff or looking for ytp back when I was like 12 yo. Having a lot of nostalgic feelings these days, also with Sega akiba #2 closing and stuff... Sorry for blogpost

>>26556009
>That cancer-script riddled
Unless I've missed something lately, I never noticed it to contain malicious script code, though I can see it performing poorly though.
>nico rip-off successed is purely because it is backed CCP government.
A great factor of their success was due to being able to curry to the desires of the CCP, but that's not how they outgrew longer-established clones like ACFun (which wasn't completely clean, but was mainly infighting).
>They literally announced gachi is banned on that site in a country-wide news to attract viewers and push off any competition.
I think that was little to do with bilibili wanting it for advertisement, and more because the government bans explicit recognition of homosexuality in the media, and bilibili crossed a line by attempting to keep gachi up as a fad, despite its source origin. They even went as far as to eventually hide known gachi content from newfags (those who did not pass the knowledge quiz) to avoid people making a stink about it. Gachi was highly popular before they removed it, and they had no real incentive to mess with it unless they had their hands forced. Which they did, along with other MAD which could be construed as dissenting cultural/political commentary. If you have articles that state otherwise, I can read mandarin.
>They have the similar monetize model like pay for hd video and time seek
They absolutely do, and I think the time seek is BS.
But for the pay-for-HD? In bilibili's case you can view 1080p as a user, and I'll defend them on paying for higher quality on two points:

1. They already burn through money offering free 1080p, relative to their operating costs and YT's relative costs. Look at any video upload site at notable scale. How many of them offer anything more than 720p/1080p for free without some major caveat? Twitch doesn't store much video and is backed by Amazon, Twitter/Tiktok is severely compressed, porn sites are usually malware/ad traps, etc. Youtube is the only one which can actually deliver much more than 1440p, at decent quality, with only some ads (that you and me block anyway), and they go all the way to 8K60fps.
Do you know why?
Because not only does Google increasingly own the datacenters and services required to host Youtube, but they are so fucking big that they directly peer with Tier-1 ISPs. That is, they don't pay an ISP to connect them to other ISPs - they effectively ARE their own provider in this context, and therefore provide the content directly to ISPs while paying much less for intermediary fees. AFAIK, no other non-subscription media provider has this sort of arrangment with nearly every ISP, excepting Twitch.
And this is assuming hosting in the USA. Niconico and Bilibili get screwed by hosting costs being several greater: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ . And they need to pony up for someone other party(s) to provide the hosting.


2. Bilibili still gives users (at least back in 2018) the ability to upload uncompressed videos themselves as long as they meet certain limits:
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv311112
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv329562/ (yeah yeah brony I know, but he explains it well)
And 3MB/s for free 1080p isn't bad if you can control the encoding, and is absolutely HD.
Here's an example from back when both NND and bili had 2MB 720p for free in 2017:
>NND (2181 kb/s, 1990 kb/s video, 182 kb/s audio)
https://files.catbox.moe/vv3p2p.mp4
>Bili (1980 kb/s, 1790 kb/s video, 186 kb/s audio), taken down of course
https://files.catbox.moe/ff72mm.mp4

>plus download botnet to download like YT.
You mean the offline mode in their app?
You're not wrong, but almost every video upload service prevents and forbids and third-party download in the TOS, and the only site I know which allows none-members to download videos directly for free is iwara.tv (MMD video site, mostly R18), which is niche and low-traffic.
I will concede that bilibili makes it much more of a bitch to download video than youtube does, though.
>And chinks have no choice but give in. If you knew any chinkrune you could see it from their Youtube tier danmaku commemt.
Yup
>The nico's problem is more rooted in the conservative industry as a whole, where they rather make the safest choice. In recent years nico still host those live event pushing ZUN and other uploader on the stage as if they are some kind of TV celebrities.
Agreed.

I'm not saying bilibili is a wonderful video site that completely crushes NND. I'm just saying that in the Chinese market they are competent with working with what they got, relative to NND in Japan.

>>26555174
I recommend this for Twitch:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitch-chat-danmaku/koiphfkghjgmncbkcpfnegnbcbomlchg

You can even set the font to MS PGothic if you want the NND feel.

>>26560779
cool

I like nico, but I like it because of it's non video stuff as well, like the models people share and the video game page, and sometimes its meme dictionary.

>>26381367
I use it for watching anime.
If I watch anything that is.

>>26461525
It's 500 yen a month
What are you, poor?

>>26590313
I can get myself 5 items from the 100 yen store.
That's more than 500 yen for some site that wants me to pay for basic features like quality above 240p

>>26608151
Quality was locked behind premium, retard, try again.

>>26608305
This is what I read.
"I PAY FOR FEATURES"

>>26608370
It's really just an equation of if you're willing to pay for it.

~$5 a me for even a few hours of NND browsing a month is decent enough for me, though I can understand that being total BS for others.

>>26608151
>>26608305
*never locked

I would also point out that when you pay for a service, you are more the customer than the product, as is the case with many free-to-use services.
With NND, it's half-and-half. One of the reasons they are probably so conservative to change is because they can afford to do so. Or at least more so than other non-Youtube video sites. But they also aren't exactly giving a fuck about user input that much.

>>26608305
>>26608573
Depending upon time of day it sure was (economy mode). I think at one point downloading tools could bypass it, but I think now it boils down to watching/downloading at the right time.

I like Nicovideo but I only use it to watch Voiceroid LPs, 音MADs, MMD and the occasional vtuber clip. I have premium so I don't have to deal with the QOL issues some other people get.

I would use it to watch anime but for some reason I think it's much harder to pay for it.

Are the comments region-locked or something? Even videos with hundred thousand views have no comments shows up.

>>26636859
Yes. Change your region to Japan if you want to see Japanese comments.

>>26380969
are they even relevant anymore?

>>26731661
In the West? Yes.
They were a minor thing among weebs/otaku/whatever in general from around 2008-2012, since many Japanese audio/video makers still didn't use other services, but Niconico's attempts at capitalizing upon this were pretty half-assed. You effectively couldn't even pay for premium outside of Japanese-only cards or services in this period, for example. Also, the site is intentionally segregated among Japanese/English/Chinese comments, so Westerners never really were exposed to Japanese-style of commenting, tags, etc. unless they used the site in Japanese.

It was also a minor thing among otaku in Taiwan and other non-mainland Chinese communities for some time, but bilibili has largely won over that demographic.

In Japan?
They're still "a thing" in the basic sense. I'd say they're about as relevant there as Twitch is in the West - not a primary service for many, but has a dedicated userbase that makes the service(s) stand out from Youtube and others.
Niconico Seiga still gets art pushed to it, Niconico Douga still has a few communities which use it primarily, people still use the anime streaming service, etc.
But they're pretty much no longer the center of otaku audiovisual culture like they were until about 2014 or so. But as long as they can keep in enough revenue, I don't see the site disappearing suddenly anytime soon.

>>26731661
In the West? Nope.
They were a minor thing among weebs/otaku/whatever in general from around 2008-2012, since many Japanese audio/video makers still didn't use other services, but Niconico's attempts at capitalizing upon this were pretty half-assed. You effectively couldn't even pay for premium outside of Japanese-only cards or services in this period, for example. Also, the site is intentionally segregated among Japanese/English/Chinese comments, so Westerners never really were exposed to Japanese-style of commenting, tags, etc. unless they used the site in Japanese.

In Japan? Mostly.
They're still a familiar service to anyone who spends much time online. I'd say they're about as relevant there as Twitch is in the West - not a primary service for many, but has a dedicated userbase and provides service(s) that stand out from Youtube and others.
Niconico Seiga still gets art pushed to it, Niconico Douga still has a few communities which use it primarily, people still use the anime streaming service, etc.
But they're pretty much no longer the center of otaku audiovisual culture like they were until about 2014 or so. But as long as they can keep in enough revenue, I don't see the site disappearing suddenly anytime soon.

It was also a minor thing among otaku in Taiwan and other non-mainland Chinese communities for some time, but bilibili has largely won over that demographic.

>>26734608
>But as long as they can keep in enough revenue, I don't see the site disappearing suddenly anytime soon.
Want to clarify this anons point; they're not, they're literally always in the red and will always continue to be in the red, but due to its status as an important site for hosting videos it'll never die. Bringing the comparisons back to youtube, it's basically the same thing with a tenth or hundredth or whatever of the scale. Otherwise he's pretty much right on every point, though I'd say niconico held its grasp on the market a bit longer than 2014 but was slipping by 2016, but that's kinda just semantics.
Also, fuck Seiga.

>>26734838
>they're not, they're literally always in the red and will always continue to be in the red
I don't doubt you (I can well believe it), but I would appreciate a source on that. Japanese is fine as well.

>Also, fuck Seiga.
Yeah, it kind of stinks, but at least for my uses it beats Twitter and is about as sucky as Pixiv. The main thing is just that it is not a primary service for most artists. At all. But as far as tagging and posting images goes, it meets my requirements.
The only art sites I would directly support are *boorus.

>>26735207
>The only art sites I would directly support are *boorus.
Oh, and I guess I do use fantia for a few artists I really, really like. But that's exceptional.

>>26735207
It's in one of Dwango or Kadokawa's many, many fiscal reports. I don't have a link off-hand because the one I saw in 2019 is long gone, but I'm sure with a moment of digging you can find it. Also yeah, fuck Twitter too.

>>26734838
>Otherwise he's pretty much right on every point, though I'd say niconico held its grasp on the market a bit longer than 2014 but was slipping by 2016, but that's kinda just semantics.
I'd agree with you as well, depending on the niche.

When searching through tags, one thing I noticed in the 2008-2014 period in particular is that people would use NND as a primary host not just for the kind of otaku culture niches you'd find on /a/ and /jp/ (etc.), but also for more conventional art and nerd hobbies, entertainment at large, or just uploads in general for whatever one wished to upload, be it cute animals, self-made documentaries, politics/society, etc. After about 2014 though, many of these tags dried up or got many less mylists/views.
I assume people just switched to Youtube as their default uploader during this time. Makes sense, especially since non-Premium quality was really starting to show its age once 720p/1080p was a norm on Youtube, and encoding videos for NND was more of a pain in the ass anyway.

It took longer for this to really hit the more established subcultures.

>>26735384
Thanks, that works.

Eternal classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2bJfCXblLI

With insane rise of vtubers that use only youtube and force otakus on that platform NND will die in a few years.

>>26736284
Niconico was dying long before vtubers were even a glimmer in someones eyes, and you're cripplingly retarded if you believe otherwise.

>>26380969
for many years i used it to view original vocaloid releases instead of the fansubber's reuploads on youtube, but it seems more producers are cutting to the chase and uploading to yt themselves now.

>>26635684
yeah, many 腐MADs are exclusive to niconico also (banned r18 content, copyright, etc). plenty of western fujoshits knew how to operate niconico 2010-2014 but the skill seems to have been lost.

>>26737168
Niconico as a whole was in clear decline as a video upload service well before 2016, but as far as streaming in particular went, Niconico Live was still the de facto Japanese self-streaming service among otaku.
Most seiyuu-style streamers which were to become the core base of vtubers were using Niconico live. Just look at attempts by people to discover their older accounts - almost all used niconico live. And on /jp/, most Japanese streams that popped up still were not using either Twitch or Youtube, but NNL.
But while it was a relatively decent service when it was first released (remember, this was before Twitch was even a thing), they basically didn't improve it one bit before the HTML5 player was released, and the time limit and pre-registration bullcrap was woefully outdated. Even using it in 2016 felt like a major regression to competitors.

But most importantly, NNL - and Niconico as a whole - lacked one killer feature which Youtube had been able to implement, and which made vtubers worthwhile - the ability for regular users to monetize channels. Once streamers saw monetization was viable on Youtube, that's what doomed NND as the platform for non-streaming vtubers, and NNL as the platform for streaming vtubers.

I would bet you some good money that if Niconico had done just three things, they would be the home of some of the JP-only vtubers:
1. Enabled a similar/better monetization platform for entertainers
2. Updated their player and delivery system to be at least 720p60 for free with few catches (many people still just stream at this resolution)
3. Went out of their way to hook deals with companies like nijisanji/hololive (they have had deals with nijisanji, but just live performances and such)

>>26738750
I don't disagree with you on the points of monetization being god-awful, I was debating anon on saying "niconico will die because it didn't appeal to vtubers who are the new thing". Which is untrue, because niconico had been dying for as we both know years before vtubers were even a thing, let alone the thing they are nowadays. And honestly with the things you mentioned, it'd just make it a better site for everyone who ever cared to stream and not just vtubers, but I digress.

>>26738935
I think we have two different definitions of "dead".
If you mean "dead" as in "less relevant," I can agree.
If you mean "dead" as in "no longer used at all," I would quite disagree, and would say it still isn't dead at all and probably won't seriously be risking death for years.

I wouldn't call Newgrounds a "dead" site, for example, but its community is extremely niche at this point. On the other hand, the Vine video service is dead.

>>26739068
I meant dying, as in its bleeding viewership and money, not dead as in literally nobody can use it. Compare it to Newgrounds or Gamefaqs or whatever you wish, my point was literally just it was declining long before vtubers were even a thing and any implication otherwise is retarded. Don't see how that's hard to get.

>>26739460
>Don't see how that's hard to get.
Don't worry it's not you it's me.

>>26739068
Nico should die.

>>26739498
I want Tenko to lick me out of nowhere and without warning.

Futae no Kiwami, Ahhh-!
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm37056081

>>26556009
Speaking of celebrities, you also had to factor in that these were also common attraction in NND until they jumped ship to Showroom.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5290

>>26901837
I miss old anime. I am also sad this video seems to have been made around 2002~3 and so Nanoha isn't in it.

Inmu is the only thing alive in this site

>>26909373
INMU (which has been less popular overall since like 2017-2018) isn't really the biggest thing on the site at all. For video uploads, it is mostly more general otaku media, with some trending fads:
https://www.nicovideo.jp/ranking/genre/all?term=week
Though I would agree that INMU is pretty much tied to Niconico for the most part, even if makers and others reupload to other sites.

Also, the anime and various media streams still pull several thousands and occasionally tens of thousands of viewers simultaneously.

this is my favourite gif

i still don't understand this meme.

It was fun when everybody in the entertainment and vidya industries were debating in favour of 30fps. Consoles in 30fps because of reasons, an that was what YT could handle so why more.
Nico starts the 60fps videos and YT fucking rushed in panic the samw 60fps with everybody joining unto 60fps. Comical.
Also their fail at a Western expansion.

As for me, I like secondary Inmu memes

ワイトもそう思います。

>>26872621
Yeah, I mean wasn't Billy essentially that to an extent?

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm32533856

>>26971471
I think that was actually a pre-Niconico meme that started off either on 2ch and by extension the Flash community.

It started off as a way to take a dig at Saitama City, whose name was written in hiragana instead of kanji for whatever reason, and it took off from there.

>>27051763
Can you guys post the Yume Nikki conbini song animation? I can't find it anywhere.

>>27051763
>>27067224
Didn't mean to quote you anon but whatever, still searching

>>27067224
>>27068275
While the reuploads over at Youtube have disappeared, the original is still up
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2881046

>>26380969
>What's your favorite memes from the past?
For me, it's Futae no Kiwami and Z-KAI.

>>26381367
I might get to finally learn japanese just to watch anime on nico douga. They have the entirety of Ogon Bat and I don't like portuguese enough to watch that dub.
Italian, though...

>>26971471
Don't worry, when I brought さいたま up to Japanese exchange students, they didn't even know about it.
I tried to google them some Japanese meme sites I used back in the day, when I was getting into 2channel and nicovideo, but they were all gone.
That meme has already become (forgotten) history.

Basically it started off on 2channel with people meme'ing that any time one says "さいたまさいたま" another incident has taken place in Saitama. Be it a crime, an accident, anything worth of becoming news.

>>26417840
yeah because the world ordered the Wuhan Special

Nice thread.
I was watching mostly gachimuchi on nico from 2010. I had really nice collection but sadly my HDD died 2years ago.
Other than that, I watched 音MADs like Chargerman Ken, Oishinbo and suck.
I really like https://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/BMSA shit.
Shame NicoFox working on modern Firefox never but it had a good run.

Does anyone know whatever happened to ガチ姉?

Been feeling nostalgic today and was kind of sad to see an utaite I liked back in the day had disappeared from the face of the earth.

It's really a shame peak nicovideo is mostly only preserved on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6CVIXUpxCU

Even merely playing the original upload has become a pain in the ass.
The ads on nicovideo play without trouble, but the video itself then refuses to play.
And with youtube-dl the comments are missing, which are a big part of the fun.

>>27136101
>And with youtube-dl the comments are missing, which are a big part of the fun.
There's a fork which has support for converting the comments into ASS subtitles:
https://github.com/animelover1984/youtube-dl

>>26381367
I watch anything I can on it because the comments make me laugh and japs are good at breaking down movies

>>27136450
Why fork youtube-dl, instead of filing a pull-request?

>>27136592
Good question.
Long story short: the devs of youtube-dl have nearly a thousand pull requests for the project waiting for approval/review, often deny for seemingly spurious reasons, and are unwilling to hand over the project to more proactive devs.

It's been brewing for years, and has led to several attempted wholesale forks:
https://github.com/blackjack4494/youtube-dlc

>>27051763
>whose name was written in hiragana instead of kanji for whatever reason
I've noticed that before as well. It really does stand out.

>>26971698
Niconico had little to do with influencing the adoption of 60fps video encoding as a video/gaming standard. Niconico offered it at least from 2009 AFAIK*, while youtube adopted 720p+ 60fps in 2014. That's no rush.
The only reason Niconico had 60fps so early was because they did not re-encode uploads, and video fps only needed to be between 0.33fps～120fps*. Their low-quality encodes for videos capped out at 30fps.

The actual origins and proliferation of 30fps and 60fps in both media and gaming lie in the NTSC standard for television broadcasting. Before digital video was feasible for mass distribution, video was mechanically drawn by blasting electron emissions based on an incoming analog TV signal onto a phosphor tube. This system did not have an internal means of resolving the speed of the videos it received, so it instead used the alternating currency of the power mains - usually a standard across a country - to synchronize the refresh rate. This is where we get 60hz (NTSC) and 50hz (PAL)**.

As the current alternated on-off, the tube would draw two sets of lines which would interlace between each other. Since the television would preserve the afterimage of the previous "field" of lines, it allowed for higher display resolution than drawing a full "frame" of video with the same signal bandwidth. The main trade-off was that the interlaced video took two fields at 60hz to draw a full frame, effectively forcing the production fps to 30 max to maintain the perception of distinct frames, which was recommended by NTSC guidelines.

Early video consoles, which also often used NTSC (and PAL) as a reference for frame timing, would usually effectively operate at ~60fps, though the game may have processing lag or video output limitations which would make the display appear slower. Once progressive PCs became popular, which do draw full frames on the display, it became more common to choose a lower fps for frame timing, like 30fps. Touhou is an example of a game that uses 60fps for frame-timing. However, that bad habit is slowly dying out, and games increasingly use framerate-independent timing. So what usually drives lower fps these days is higher resolution requirements, or less powerful devices for contemporary releases as you might find on mobile devices or consoles like the Switch.

As far as 60fps video online goes, that seems to have been mostly influenced by TVs including interpolation, and the recent high-FPS movie releases. And Youtube probably just pushed it along as another enhancement when it was economical for them to implement, like with their other resolution enhancements. NND avoided the problem of it being economical altogether by limiting upload size to 100MB.

This is all ignores that 24p is still the standard for movie production, and even with 48p offerings many people prefer the 24p release due to the cinematic effect.

* nicowiki.com/?cmd=backup&action=&page=エンコード設定
** For black and white. Including color information reduced the refresh rate by a minuscule amount, but this is why 29.97fps and 59.94fps are a thing

>>26380969
The only thing I like about this streaming site is how you can view previous comments.
You can literally watch the reactions when the videos got first released.

>>27167313
>You can literally watch the reactions when the videos got first released.
If it is below 1000 total comments.
After 1000 comments, every new comments overwrites an older comment, and there is no way to obtain it again.

There are tools to archive the comments over time, though: http://xeno.grrr.jp/

All these nostalgia threads are making me sad.
Please stop ;_;

>>27167036
homie I ain't readin all that gay shit

>>26608151
more like 4 due to tax

>>27167036
>Niconico offered it at least from 2009 AFAIK*
The "glorious" era of エコノミーモード during Japanese peak.
Do they still pull that bullshit to try to force people into """Premium"""?
Probably one of the major reasons people fled to Youtube.

>>27179504
Yeah, and 1080p is premium-only.

>>27179573
>meanwhile YT offers 4K

Not like I would need it, but it's extremely nice for Japanese railway videos.
That's certainly not what would save nicovideo, though.

>>27176836
Best Anti-Marisa-Missile

>>27176671
Imagine paying taxes.
Just what are you.

>>27222105
A taxpayer?

>muh RP waifus

>>26381367
>>26385894
>>26380969
"Meme" doesn't mean what you think, redditors.

>>27239566
Come on son, they are using "meme" in the same sense that ネタ, シリーズ, 空前の○○ブーム, etc. implies.
A viral, usually unexpected acculturation around some discernible source(s) that leads to an appreciable production of OC, parody, remix, etc.

Unless you offer a better English phrasing for where they use meme, you hold no superiority over them. I sure as heck have no idea what you think "meme" means or doesn't mean, and I've used NND daily for a decade. How the fuck is reddit even relevant?

It just seems so silly to get hung up on the case that Westerners use "meme" where the Japanese/Chinese/etc. tend to stick to different, or more particular terms. And on NND they use the word ミーム as well, just with the implication of it being distinctly Western sources and fads.

Some good 東方 音MAD:
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm35115524
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29073121
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm33010214

I've been wondering this for a decade.
Just what does MAD stand for?

>>27262198
My guess would be Music Anime Douga

>>27262198
According to https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/mad it just means mad as in "crazy" and has a history that goes back to cassette tapes.

>>27266659
>>27265972
I guess there's a deeper culture around it. Either way, you know what to expect when you see 【MAD】
From what I've seen, it isn't supposed to make sense.

>>27136450
Man, this is weird. Was kinda wishing stock youtube-dl had the ability to download nico nico danmaku and even considered using a screen recording software when I was encoding some MADs for a /wsg/ thread.

A few days later and I find out ITT that apparently there is a fork of the software capable of doing just that. Thank you so much, anon.

>>27306993
No prob guv

>>27167036
Feels to me that YT took a lot longer to implement 60fps video, perhaps in 2016 or 2017.

I remember when some people experimented with 48/50/60fps uploads by slowing the video down by half, then the user would set the playback speed to 2x, it wasn't that long ago.

>>27307405
I checked before making that post, because I agree, it seems more recent.
I think it is just the case that we are getting older and time is moving faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYX52BP2Sk

Can anyone find charts on how much visits/uploads/views NND got in last like 5 years?

And then compare it with how much popular youtube become in Japan?

Especially interested in last 1-2 years when Hololive 3rd gen skyrocketed in popularity.

>>27136592
For this fork specifically, two reasons:
The technical reason is that since I support downloading livestreams, it requires the websockets package, which itself requires python 3.7+
The original youtube-dl supports python 2.x+, and it would get rejected on that basis
The youtube-dlc fork doesn't have this requirement and are more open to merging this fork in

The second reason is because I really hate the developers since when I needed a single line of code fix they were absolute cunts and preferred to argue instead of dealing with an issue since it affected windows and not linux

The tldr; is that the program used to download some livestreams from 2018 and before doesn't work with unicode (read: japanese) characters on windows, and crashes instead of doing anything useful. The easiest fix was to just change the temporary download name on windows, but of course they went "not my problem" and decided it would be better if the program itself (which is unmaintained) received a massive overhaul to be able to work better on windows
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/23765

>>27314622
On a sidenote, this website is an absolute massive pain in the ass to support. I can't tell if they go out of their way to make downloading as hard as possible where they'll harm themselves in the process, or the devs of the website are just really incompetent. Livestreams are probably the worst thing I've ever seen.
Just recently someone opened an issue about having trouble downloading a timeshifted stream, and after a day or two of debugging I found out the following:
- NND exposes timeshifted streams as livestreams instead of VODs (equivalent being youtube videos, or archived twitch videos)
- This means you can't download streams faster than 1.0x speed, so have fun downloading your 24 hour idolmaster livestreams
(Even if you try to force it to download video segments that are known to exist, they actively track your stream progress and deny you when attempting to download them)
- This also works in reverse. If you download too slowly, the server will deny any older segments than what it expects you to be up to, and eventually terminate your connection. (This was the issue. The website gets around this using javascript somehow that I haven't figured out, and likely never will)
- Same thing happens to livestream comments. It's not like twitch where you can download the comments independently of the stream, and have the client figure out when comments should show up. The server keeps track of where you are, and sends you each comment as it happens "live". If you want to download all the comments of a stream, you're forced again to watch the stream from start to finish.

Tracking the user like this for all users using the site at the same time requires a huge amount of server resources, yet they still have the audacity to cry out for people to buy premium because they can't afford the server costs.

They constantly lose video data (if you've ever seen a video replaced with the shitty flute audio, it's because they accidentally trashed the video data. Video deletion is different and has red text) and comment data (they don't store anything more than the last 2000 comments of a video. Everything past that is permanently gone)
They didn't have HTTPS until 2018 because it's a gaijin invention. I hate this website

>>27314657
>They didn't have HTTPS until 2018 because it's a gaijin invention. I hate this website
Not really surprising, considering they only stopped using Flash quite recently. Japanese web truly is something else, feels like its stuck in 2007 or something, and in a bad way.

>>27315734
They still use flash, actually. It's only for certain parts of the website, and for the "nm" links at least you have to enable it. But you get the original source upload as a result
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm9588551
https://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv309042194

>>27316481
Incredible.

>>27314657
>(if you've ever seen a video replaced with the shitty flute audio, it's because they accidentally trashed the video data. Video deletion is different and has red text)
Red text means the video was copyright claimed. The standard foo-san flute means it was deleted by the uploader.

>>27317159
>The standard foo-san flute means it was deleted by the uploader.
Really? I thought pic related was for when a user deleted a video
What's the point of keeping the video metadata then

>>27318092
It's very convenient for finding reprints when a video goes dead on you. YouTube isn't nearly as friendly in that respect.
The text-only message seems to appear most often for IDs that were never live video links at all. Never seen it on a previously active video.

>>27320356
>Never seen it on a previously active video.
Seems to only show the video metadata if I log into a premium account
If I open it in incognito mode then it shows the deleted / not found message

>>27314622
>python 2.x+
Hadn't official support for that been discontinued earlier this year?
Why are they so keen on keeping supporting it?
t. only got into Python with 3.

>>27314657
I'm not much into web dev. but yeah, nicovideo code always looked like a nightmare to me.
To the point that I'm wondering why there hasn't been an "IniTech Video" leak, yet.

>>27331983
>Why are they so keen on keeping supporting it?
Actually now that I think about it, I'm not sure if they're going to bother to keep supporting 2.
The maintainers of the main fork haven't been very active recently and refuse to allow anyone else to have write access to the repo, so I doubt we'd have an answer by the end of the year.
I do expect that they'd instead require a minimum of 3.0 though for maximum support, which would be incompatible with the fork's requirement of 3.7+

>To the point that I'm wondering why there hasn't been an "IniTech Video" leak, yet.
There has been a source leak for BiliBili, so I don't think they're far too off. You'd need someone with at least the technical skill to leak it without getting caught, so I'm not too sure if someone there right now fits that criteria

https://github.com/fitlivingmm/bilibili/tree/master/go-common

>>27332198
>You'd need someone with at least the technical skill to leak it
Happens all the fucking time.
Don't you know DailyWTF? (That's what I was hinting at with "IniTech".)
It's always kind of refreshing to see it's not only the code you deal with that's horrible, but that it's like that pretty much everywhere, and that it's actually far from the worst.
I would never leak the code I professionally interact with, though. No idea what drives the people that do.

>>27333163
I think I've read a few articles from time to time, but I don't really follow it.
I was just joking that the devs aren't smart enough to figure out how to copy code from their machine to a github repo or something

>No idea what drives the people that do.
Rage and no fear
Apparently chinese people are excellent at both since a lot of source leaks I know of are of chinese origin/relation

I go back to watch sm9 every once in a while.

>>27333163
If its insecure code, there may be an ethical motivation.
Otherwise what >>27341264 says.

>>27316481
I'm stupid and don't get how to get anything other than the regular non-flash video to show up. Any chance you could give me a push on the right direction?

>>27316481
Does the flash player really work nowadays? I can't get it to actually do the pausing tricks it used to
https://nicovideo.jp/watch/nm14068363

>>27315734
>stuck in 2007
You say that like it was a bad thing.
I would kill for a maintained Mozilla Firefox (or Opera) from that era.
It also was part of nicovideo's golden age.

>>27382989
Please finish reading my post before replying. What I meant to say was that instead of preserving the good things that people miss the most, they've preserved the worst aspects of that era, such as a clunky/unrefined, disorganized UI and things doesn't seem to work smoothly or are very inconvenient to deal with. The use of legacy technology such as Flash only amplifies this feeling.

>>27382697
They turned all the flash videos to just videos like earlier this year or something. I forget but it was said in some thread. What kind of stuff could you do? Just pause it and have animations looping?

>>27382989
>I would kill for a maintained Mozilla Firefox (or Opera) from that era.
Kind of /g/, but Pale Moon is actively maintained and is essentially Firefox pre-Webextensions, which was the real shift. The fundamental issue is that almost all XUL extensions are no longer maintained, and the performance issues of those versions of Firefox (CPU threading, Javascript engine, etc.) remain.

>>27389009
Looping animations in the SWF would loop even when paused. You also had videos that would play indefinitely.

>>27389009
Some flashes have easter eggs if you pause them at the right moments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKJK5NLb3YY

>>26381367
Yes, I use it as a video platform to watch videos which are made by japanese people and with points regarding japanese culture in general. In what moment would you have such a specific topic to use Niconico Douga? Maybe that's why you're asking that.

>>27396146
Were any of them lewd?

万夫

強制sageか
このスレのどこが駄目だった？

>>27446047
Probably some ding-dong bumping a bunch of threads at once

>>27382697
>>27389009
>>27396146
You can still force the original SWF versions to play, instead of the MP4 reconversions. Not sure how long this will last though.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm14068363?ods=1&player=flash
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm8108475?ods=1&player=flash

What is the best way to download videos with an account?
yt-dl gives me a 403 error with my cookies.txt

>>27472771
Do you get 403 halfway through? Just run the command again and it will continue from where it stopped.

oh right flash is dying this year sadly

>>27468084
Thank you.
Even if that method probably won't work for much longer, it's really great to still be able to see those videos working as intended
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm18669841?ods=1&player=flash

>>27468084
>>27407177

>>27472771
>>27477060
The fork here fixes it >>27136450
It also lets you download original quality uploads as well.

If you need, I might be able to compile a Windows executable for you.
Otherwise you just need to include the root youtube-dl directory in the PYTHONPATH following this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/3701730
And then run "python -m youtube-dl"

>>27488406
Wait nevermind, the fork owner already made a release for Windows x64:
https://github.com/animelover1984/youtube-dl/releases/tag/2020.08.24m

>>27472771
Seriously, it's getting ridiculous. yt-dl has become the only way for me to watch any videos from that site.
In my main browser nicovideo doesn't work at all, and in extension-free Chromium it completely uses up CPU time and doesn't show comments.
Is the problem on my end, or is it simply >nicovideo?

>>27477413
Flash has been dead for more than a decade.
The zombie with its name now gets burned. That's all.

www.ni covid eo.jp

>>27492461
>more than a decade
It's been about 6-7 years, Youtube only set HTML5 as default player in 2015.

>>27241686
>How the fuck is reddit even relevant?
reddit's just the new boogeymen for people who are looking for somebody to blame, just as IRC was in 2008-2012 /jp/.

>>26383039
Ah, the good days when idolm@s was the only game in town until it was forgotten in exchange for trash like lovelive.

>>27504697
Never used IRC
The last I hear of it was on /g/ where some guys were talking about it not being the same.
Can you explain please? There was stuff like the fake moot log where he said he would Control+Del /jp/.

bump

>>27504697
IRC is still a boogeyman

Toei Spider-Man
https://youtu.be/6bcefANPSYA
https://youtu.be/CWEL5mN1YaM

>>27494946
I just remembered that episodic MADs exist. I don't know if I should be repulsed or amazed at the effort that went in for such a result.

>>27569548
>The last I hear of it was on /g/ where some guys were talking about it not being the same.

/g/ here, not entirely true. You just need to find your own little corner to hang out; same with the rest of the internet these days.

>>27569548
>The last I hear of it was on /g/ where some guys were talking about it not being the same.
/g/ here, not entirely true. You just need to find your own little corner to hang out; same with the rest of the internet these days.

Probably my single favorite 音MAD:
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24488511
https://a.pomf.cat/mcimhu.mp4

>>26380969
no

>>27745354
ok

Anyone remember Communication Break Dance? What a great song and meme.
Also, if anyone remembers a Lucky Star 音MAD to Red Zone, let me know. I watched it on Youtube in 2008ish and haven't been able to find it. I remember there was a "KONA-KONA-KONATAAA!!" clip leading into a quiet part.

>>26380969
For some reason, the site deleted all of the watch history, so I can't find any of the videos I watched before.

>>27817580
same, god damn this shitty fucking website is a mess but its the only place where i can find good japanese stuff

>>27872167
>but its the only place where i can find good japanese stuff
YouTube has its fair share of it.
And obviously bilibili, but that's probably largely unlicensed.
Nicovideo? Can't even play the fucking videos without youtube-dl on my machine. (The ads play fine by the way.)

>>27879166
I've literally never seen an ad on niconico

>>27879166
>Nicovideo? Can't even play the fucking videos without youtube-dl on my machine.
I think that's a problem in your end. Even while using a shitty laptop from 2012, niconico works fine for me.

>>27879662
>I've literally never seen an ad on niconico
That's because you use an adblocker (like any sane being should).
I do as well, but I always disable it manually for locally served ads.
Surfing the web without an adblocker is more irresponsible than running a Windows machine without anti-virus.
I really liked the old 4chan ads. It's a shame those have been handed off to an external network.
Judging by the screenshots of those ads that regularly pop up on /v/, it's not like those had retained their style, though.

>>27881278
I remember one guy actually used the old pay-per-view ad system to get volunteers to answer questions for a paper he was making on community networks online, which was novel.

>>27881278
Common Sense 2020 is the best anti-virus. With the occasional malwarebytes or whatever scan.

>>27937841
Windows Defender is the only dedicated client-side virus scanner you need for a Windows installation. If a virus evades detection by Defender, it will most likely evade detection by other scanners, either for being new, esoteric, or engineered to avoid scans, definitions, or being able to gimp common malware detection software altogether.

But yup, avoiding suspect software and commands and keeping your system updated, and keeping your network as closed down to outside/unique port connections as is viable are the best ways to minimize infection.

My favourite meme was when they made an English branch and then subsequently close it. The con streams were hilarious to watch at least.

>>27937841
Essentially >>27938579 is right with the exception of
>Windows installation

"The Year of the Linux Desktop" was 2012, when Windows 8 was released.
I switched every private computer in my vicinity to Linux at the time.
One of the best decisions of my life.

>>27939158
>con streams
Yeah, those were some fun threads.

RAN RAN RU
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3179171

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zcibg_bzc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjisVcrNjY
Misao is still best Lucky Star more than a decade later.

>>27973988
ドナルドが嬉しくなると
つい殺っちゃうんだ
LAN-LAN-LUU

As dumb as it was, I really miss the コーラを振るだけ trend.

>>26384919
this one is my favorite medley
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11200754

I want more anime girls riding horse machines.

>>28036840
>コーラを振るだけ
Wasn't メントスコーラ way more interesting?
Also Pepsi > Coke, but that's a different story.

>>28040520
you aren't tired of the 500 mmd versions for every popular character that already exist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3v_EzAcLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI5OYlm8M6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rHSt9uSvks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsrjdCwooTQ

>>26380969
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the guitar/bass/drum cover community.
Back in 2010 what grew my interest on the website was the nico livestreams, to be more precise the guys doing instrumental covers live.

Every weekend there was bunch of random guys doing covers live, some reached even the level of "e-celeb" among western weebs who would dedicate entire youtube channels to reupload covers from Nico.
Following these guys was such a good source for discovering new japanese bands, songs, animes.
It makes me a little bit sad knowing this kind of community simply died as they got older and the newer generation simply don't have that much interest in instruments it seems.

Just to remember a few of them:

These guys would often team up for "band cover" collabs, like the famous "Don't Say Lazy" band edition.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7383307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id6KSU_iAVM

>Makochan (was inactive since 2015, for some reason he reuploaded an old video on his youtube channel in June).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgLEnlli7pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7o665rmLR4

>【蓬猫】(Another one that suddenly disappeared).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsV-EhEKOIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tEtRh6jsI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0xA-kyKlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlAFpBJ_nGk

>NIKUMAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6u4rmZiDVY

>Kaizokuou (guitar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmNINs-O864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxvTtKmf3as

>Tissue Hime (bass, played on Ouzoku Band and Babydoll Symphony later on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiwAnqy5cME

>OUJI (drums)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBNzfoK3-yU

>Ouzoku Band (with Kaizokuo, Tissue Hime and Ouji)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug0cHvJxyW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5p90zdFCGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWHrexkaaec

>>28073323
Just so it remains in the /jp/ archives, I'm going to post a bunch of "NicoRock" channels that used to reupload random covers to youtube.
In case anyone wants a dose of nostalgia here it goes:

https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockK/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockR2/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockK1/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockJ/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockSid/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockB/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockR/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockFox/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NicoRockX/videos

>>26418832
>I'm scared of niconico dying, it's one of the few soulful websites left
It won't, there's no good alternative to it. I watch livestreams on niconico daily, seasonal anime are still getting tons of views to the point that the comments are unreadable for the popular ones. It's true that nicovideo is slowly dying but niconico live still has a decent amount of watchers.