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I'm in, but where's everyone else?

>>2634560
That was the game pekokan was talking about.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009052219gm-0009-7447-d51ea36a&tw=1

The failed Nagashi Mangan was in the game before that.

Is tenhou down for anyone else?
I am getting this error msg.
サーバ情報の読み込みに失敗しました

Something about fail to load the server.

>>2634596

>>2634596

Reload it and it might work. That happened to me, too.

>>2634593
What does Nagashi Mangan mean?
Dealer mangan?

>>2634629
Nagashi Mangan is when:

1. Your hand is closed
2. The game ends in a draw
3. You only discarded terminals and honors.
4. None of your discarded tiles are called by other players.

Worth 8000 (mangan)

I'm sorry, I only play in 0000 where's there's actual PEOPLE you can play.

>>2634649

People ragequit all the time in 0000.

bump

Why do I win like all the time when I play you guys?

i cant believe that i played even worse than normally

>>2635657
Because you are dealt all the dora and ura dora tiles, have perfect starting hands and unlimited luck. You should be able to figure that out yourself, though.

Sure, i'll play a game.

so close to finally winning, but in the end i failed again

One last player requested.

SOUS! COME ONTO ME!!

Lomino, why did you cockblock my dora 7 ?

>>2636359

To win.

>>2636392
To win with that hand when he was 30k points behind? No.

Need 2 to play

WHAT THE FUCK

More players needed.

Yeah, I apologize for the cheap hands...

I am done for today.
Thanks for the 3man rabbit/

>>2636359
And how did you intend to win with that hand? It's not worth shit.

hows ya doin jp XD
wanna play a geam
i feel sooo playful ;))))
*holds up spork*

>>2639343
You should feel ashamed for making this post.

I got first place somehow...

>>2639444

That's nice, dear.

>>2639484
That was actually a question as to why I am first place.
Probably has something to do with the seat wind, but I can't find the rules for that case.

I hate you, guys. I had this hand almost from the start. No, really, I hate you. I wish I could cut your tongue with a knife when you say "Ron".

>>2639550
yeah, those default voices are annoying

hey let's play another

Hay guys do you know where I could get some plastic score sticks that deliver to Europe but won't rape my pocket with taxes for delivering something so cheap?

Searching for some since I just got a set of tiles from a chinese shop but since it's the chinese version it didn't come with either scoring sticks and red fives. I don't mind not having reds but it would be annoying to play without the score sticks.

>>2640088

Use popsicle sticks. It's not like your friends will care... they're just stuffed animals.

3:0

You know what to do.

>>2640095

Visualizing someone playing mahjongg with their stuffed animals is absolutely adorable.

>>2640114
You wouldn't find it adorable if your teddy bear kept roning on you.

>>2640111
More like 3:4 am I right?

>>2640095
That actually sounds like a good idea... well then off to stack up on popsicles. And after I finish them playing on Tenhou I'll use the sticks as points... brilliant

Bump.

Anyone wanna play?
0:4 at the moment.

1:4

a - so - bo

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009052404gm-0011-0000-03c13a31&tw=0

I got a sanbaiman, although I'm not sure how.

>>2641842

You got a shitload of dora tiles, including the three Peis, which count as doras in a three-man game.

>>2641842
Your hand's got 12 han. It's not a yakuman at all, just a san bai man, like you said. You got 1 han for the dragon kan, another one for having a red dora and the other ones for the 10 dora. You were East, so you got 36000 instead of 24000. (with a Yakuman as east you get 48000 instead of 36000)

Basically : 1000*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2

>>2641842
Your hand's got 12 han. It's not a yakuman at all, just a san bai man, like you said. You got 1 han for the dragon kan, another one for having a red dora and the other ones for the 10 dora. You were East, so you got 36000 instead of 24000. (with a Yakuman as east you get 48000 instead of 36000)

>>2641857
That and loads of dumb luck seeing as how he kaned his way into 4 more dora

>>2641920
That's why you kan, bro. To get more dora tiles.

>>2641842

Talk about complete and utter luck. You should be grateful you got to hold such an awesome scoring hand.

>>2641930
Indeed though the possibility of getting a dora as the exact thing you just kaned is slim to none, hence the dumb luck

>>2641957
Dumb luck or not, the raw PURPOSE of the kan when you call it is to hope you'll reveal a dora tile that you're currently owning. (Re)Watch Akagi's game against Urabe. He goes into sanbaiman in the exact same way.

>>2641957

We're talking about a guy that has gotten more GETs on /a/ and caused more rage than any other faggot in the history of 4chan, and his dumb luck surprises you?

>>2641985

Good point.

>>2641957
Actually, it's the same probability to reveal any dora.

>>2641842

Wait, we can watch previously played Mahjong games on Tenhou? How do we do that? Can we search up all the games of somebody who played?

incredible luck from zawarudo in the beginning

Good game.

>>2641842

I like how he has three fives in his hand

>>2641957
Not that incredible at all, believe me. It's something that happens quite often (more often than Yakumans, for example).

>>2636359

>>2642060
I was ousted by them toitois man...
it's hard to read that...

>>2642074

Getting yakumans aren't too incredible either if you know what you're doing.

>>2642001
click the third tab and you'll see your games. click the blue thing.

>>2642079
No. Even knowing what you're doing, an extreme amount of luck is needed to pull off a Yakuman. Well, it depends on the Yakuman. A Daisangen is easier to get than a Su Ankou or a 9 Gates, for example.

I got dora 7 thanks to my kan

>>2642116

Wrong.

>>2642135
No, he's right. There is a certain amount of luck needed to pull off yakumans.

>>2642135
I got 7suuankos and 2 daisangens in online mahjong so far...
ohh and 4 kokushi

There's a certain amount of luck needed for ANYTHING in Mahjong.

>>2642175
My fucking ass.

>>2642183
Yeah, but the amount isn't the same when you aim for an All simples or for a Big 4 Winds.

>>2642205

Wrong.

>>2642264
Please, stop being retarded. And stop bumping this thread if you're not going to say anything interesting.

>>2642285

Wrong.

herp

>>2642339
Does that mean help in Japanese?

Nice set of three player games. gg.

>>2642386

Wrong.

Bump for players and in order to avoid page 10 because of the spam.

More bros needed.
Also what the fuck did I miss? Are we getting raid by /a/ or /b/ girugamesh again?

>>2643486
You asked for a bro, you got one

>>2643486
Yup, nothing hiding threads and adblock can't handle though, pretty pathetic and sad.

Why did he pay 18300 instead of 18000?

>>2643633

Cheating

I've been playing against the computer for a few weeks now, but I feel like I still have no idea what sort of hand to go for at the beginning (unless dealt something super obvious, like nearly all honors tiles). How do you decide what to play at the start of an average hand?

>>2643732
Discard shitty unrelated tiles.
IE useless wind tiles.

>>2643732
I look for a few things, do I have a "han" pair, do I need a quick win, can I go for honitsu, pinfu, toitoi, chitoi, ittsu, ippekou, chanta, etc... Just try to get an idea of a good winning hand and see if you have at least 6-7 tiles for it. Pinfu is extremely easy for the most part.

>>2643633
commission

>>2643763
Also, tanyao , pinfu and riichi stack very well and easily (watch out for furiten on those 23 and 78 waits though), ippekou and san shoku dojun can also work their way in.

>>2643761
>>2643763
Thanks guys.
For example, this starting hand. Tan yao is totally out, san shoku looks difficult at best ... Is a hon itsu a reasonable guess at this point?

Discard the nan and pei first.
If it is east round and you have dora tiles in your hand just call the tong and go for a cheap hand. This kind of hand depend a lot on what is your next few draw.

i still don't fucking get this game.

>>2644199

1. Watch Akagi
2. Learn the hands

It's a pretty simple game when you come down to it.

How about in this case? Is two off-suited but matching pairs san-shoku hinting, or maybe three pairs makes chi-toi more likely? I understand that pin-fu is a common hand to pursue, but I tend to have trouble setting up for the final edge wait...

>>2644391

Keep those pairs and go for either hand depending on your draws. Especially if you're playing with red fives - you can incorporate those into your hand easily for extra han.

>>2644416
So I managed to end up with a pair of 5s in all 3 suits ... San-shoku requires triplets though; are there any other requirements for contents in the hand, or can they be any mix of sequences?

>>2644452
Requirements for the last set, that is

>>2644461

As long as you have three of the same triples in each suit, it doesn't matter what else you have; you'll get the sanshoku. But if you finish with another triple and the head, you'll get a toitoi as well.

>>2644494
And after all that scheming, ended up winning with a chi toitsu. Much appreciation for the advice

Dear /a/,

why does the godess of fortune hate me? I go into a riichi and the guy after me as well, it's the last round. And the tile I just happen to draw is the only tile left he could win on, seeing as he was in a dual pon wait and I had a pair of one of his winning tiles in my hand.

Seriously... HOW UNLUCKY CAN YOU GET?

>>2644697
Also I should mention that this caused me to lose my lead. Meh.

>>2644697
>/a/
Eh?

>HOW UNLUCKY CAN YOU GET?
Deal into yakuman.

>>2644715

Hm... sorry my head was kind of fucked up because of this shit. Also it's debatable how unlucky dealing into a Yakuman is since there are usually signs that it's being built. Dealing into a tenhou (or whatever the first round win is called) is undebateable unlucky though.

ALSO: WHAT THE FUCK ZAWARUDO, THIS IS THE SEOCND TIME IN A ROW YOU STOLE MY LEAD ON THE LAST GAME. DID YOU SLEEP WITH FORTUNA OR SOMETHING?

>>2644847
I'm only pulled a win that last time because that last guy dropped. Winning points off of a dropped player seems so wrong, but it feels so good.

I still don't see why Tenhou doesn't have some sort of weak AI to take over when that happens, because the dropped player's hand just becomes a 13 tile dead wall.

Players

3:0 at the moment.

You know what to do.

I curse myself.

I had 1-2pin haku haku.
I draw a third haku and discarded the 2 pin.
Immediately after that, beato draws and discards the 3 pin in his riichi and two other 3pin follow shortly after that.

Bump

Since this is the Mahjong thread...

...what does it mean in replay mode on Tenhou when the discards are marked light or dull?

>>2646220
Don't ever curse yourself for changing waits and seeing the tile you previously needed to win come out.

>>2646285
Dull: Tsumogiri (discarded the tile he/she drew)
Light: Tile they drew went into their hand, discard came from their hand

>>2646220
I had a similiar situation, i was waiting for 5 man, changed my wait to double pon (4,4 man, 5,5 sou) and one turn before the end i get a red 5 man. Fuck.

>>2646292
Can't be helped.

>>2646320
At least you got THREE ura dora to your riichi tanyao tsumo as the dealer, enough to win the entire game. Don't exhaust your luck.

And I just noticed: It doesn't matter if you drew the 5 man or a 4 man because your hand didn't even have a single yaku.

goddamn i'm starting to think that this game hates me or i simply suck like hell...
always making me hope like this

and in the end i'm always last with under 8000 points ... i suck

>>2646825
You nearly won yesterday, if Raymoo didn't have 3 dora from my kan and an uradora in the last game of the round, she/he would've been about 1000 points behind you in the end.

>>2646818
>closest ever ;_;.jpg
Sorry for making cheap and quick hands when I'm leading,
but close to what? You weren't hoping for a daisangen, did you? The closest you could get that late is shousangen.
Actually, it would've been in my favor if you ronned from anyone but me.

>>2646825
3-4 waiting for 2 and 5...
2-2-2 Pon by you, 5-5-5 concealed in some else's hand and 5 in the pond. = only 1 winning tile left in the wall. Even if you drew the 4pin instead of me, changing your wait to a dual pon would've just resulted in you playing into fhnick's hand...

Chinitsu dora 3(baiman, 16000) is still attractive, I think.

1:0 ;_;

More bros needed.

>>2646825
Well of course you get under 8000, you are always calling tiles.

>>2646895
> Sorry for making cheap and quick hands when I'm leading,

completly fine,
just crying a bit because currently it feels like i'm always missing the last bit of luck for having an ok hand ... and i should try to stop dealing other ppls winning tile so often

>>2646954
Your hand looked perfect there

riichi pinfu akadora dora iishanten
30fu 4yaku = 7700ten
waiting on 3-6-9pin / 6-9sou to be in tenpai,
but you called on my 1pin and ruined your hand. The only way you could go out after that was going out on a 9pin for a total of 1000ten and a chance to be in furiten before that happens.

>>2646985
2000
Forgot the red 5.

>>2646985
yeah seeing it now thanks, probably thinking that some hands are more worth than they actually are...
back to learning them i guess

1:4

Anyone else care to join

Ah great... tried to show a bud the basics but I got raped in the first rounds and then disconnected

>>2647172

>disconnected

More like ragequit

>>2647189
And why would I ragequit if I was actually trying to show someone the game? Those 2-3000 I had left would've held me for a few more rounds

bump

Goddamn, calling everywhere in that last game. There must have been over a dozen open Kans during the entire thing.

nice comeback gambler

;_;

>>2648373

Raging

>>2648373

Log?

>>2648388

http://tenhou.net/0?log=2009052507gm-0001-7447-cfc5384a&tw=0

Used up a whole beach worth of magic sand to get my first counted yakuman.
Nearly had a heart attack when the ura dora turned out to be a xia.

The sand in the depths of hell truly is magical

>>2648740

HURR I WON AN ONLINE MOONRUNES GAME DURR

Reported for ban evasion.

>>2648740
Why in God's name would someone throw an honor tile against calls like that?
That's why I can't stand playing on the 7447 server.
People will deal into any hand regardless of how obvious it is.

>>2648747
if it makes you feel better you can have an older pic of me getting whipped

>>2648802

You don't play the game for fun?

>>2648802

>>2648811
I play the game for fun, which is why I choose to not play on the 4chan server.
The game becomes much less enjoyable when you play against people who have no clue what they are doing,
both because of how slowly they play and how easily they prop up the other players.
Even if you finish +100 it seems like an empty win under such circumstances.

>>2648802
dunno

Awwwww, Suika under the table!

>>2648837

I have trouble winning on 7447 but I do a lot better (usually first or second) in 0000. Why? Do they suck more than the guys here?

>>2648890
Simple really. In 0000 most of them play defensively and won't play into obvious hand. There is a lot of feeder in 7447 which bump up their point.

Mahjong is mostly luck wherever you play.

Skill just lets you make the most use out of the luck you get.

7447 has a great mix of players from horrible to excellent, so it's a bit of a grab bag. If those bad players never get chances to play however, they'll never improve.

I like the atmosphere more than L0000, and usually tend to play a bit better when I'm not concerned about ranking up and stuff.

>>2648934 Mahjong is mostly luck wherever you play.
It's not just luck. It's also measuring statistics, and (in offline play) reading people.

It's no more luck-based than poker is.

>>2649106
Hence skill is manipulating the luck you get, arranging your hand into a likely arrangement, and so forth. Skill definitely helps you play better.

Sometimes however, you just can't get any draws at all, and sometimes you get into furiten and later tsumo twice in the same game. Tenhou is a tsundere mistress.

Back with another 'what would you discard first' question.
When you have no honor tiles at the outset, do you start by trying to discard away one suit of tiles (such as the sou tiles here)? Or maybe discard the most isolated tiles regardless of suit?
In this example, hatsu is the dora this round.

>>2649424

Maybe you should think for yourself, jackass.

>>2649424
Discard the 8 man because if you get a 7 man it will complete the 5, 6 set.
>>2649429
He's asking a valid question. Do you have a problem with people trying to learn how to play?

>>2649424
I would discard the six pin just to simplify my hand. That way, I could wait for either a set of two pin and four pin or maybe two pin straights 2-3-4 without getting tempted by other combinations.

Then again, I'm not that good and only place 1st 33% of the time.

>>2649424
either the 8 man because it's not necessary or the 1 pin for tan-yao

>>2649456

"Only"? That's a lot better than my current standing at Tenhou. But then I only recently started not playing like a drunken bastard.

>>2648934

I see people ragequit a lot more often in 0000. Bad form, seriously.

>>2649472
Well, if you factor in the rons on other people, it's not really that hard to place first. All you have to do is play safe.

I'm still pretty weak at mahjong since my biggest problems are temptation and just plain stupid moves e.g. panic (not enough seconds!).

>>2649456
Let's say you decide to keep the 8 man, even though it's an almost completely useless tile, and discard one of the pin. Discarding the 1 pin is a better choice than the 6. The 1 pin is useless without a 3, and if you get a 3 you would still get a 234 set. With the 6 you could get a 456 set or draw a 7/8 for another potential set.

Also 33% 1st is not "only" 33%. It's a pretty good rate. Pic is my stats because I want to showoff too.

>>2649506
I wish that didn't disappear every time I clear my cookies.

>>2649506
Not the person you replied to, but fuck yeah epeen comparison.

Anyone worse than these?
By the way, could anyone be so nice and say what each lines mean or atleast the important ones

>>2649506
Ah, I see what you mean. If I ever get the three, I wouldn't really give the one a second look and would probably discard it right after I develop my bamboo and man.

And for the 33% thing, I wasn't really trying to showoff. I just placed it in the wrong light. Rather than saying 33% win, I should've said something 66% lost (ranks 3 and 4; I never get 2nd). I understand my victories and they are never really that great. It's either a result of rons between two other players or I just get extremely lucky starting hands.

I play on two computers so my 7447 record are incomplete.
Just look at the huge disrepancy between 0000 and 7447 records. Margin of victory on 7447 is much higher since I can play aggresively since losing is fine.

>>2649550
games played
average end point
average position

percent first, second, third, fourth, widthdrawal(?)

don't know the rest

>>2649567
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ranking.pl?name=beato&type=0&from=20081222&to=20090524

>>2649550
The one where you have .398 is how often you win with an open hand.

>>2649439
>>2649456
>>2649470
Thanks muchly guys.
I'm still casually learning the yaku via this handy quiz http://arcturus.su/tenhou/scorequiz/yaku.html, but there's so much there that I still occasionally forget even the simpler yaku like tan-yao. It's very helpful to hear differing ideas when presented with the same starting hand.

Shameless bump for players.

Need 2 more bros.

Need this alive when I get back so bump

bump

2:0
bump etc.

3:8

K-On! and MOEjong in one game?
And then they win with Haitei for 1000 points.
Could the games get any worse?

>>2652916

u mad?

>>2652916
lol, dealing in their hands is better than the noten penalty

>>2652921
Those guys shouldn't be playing when they don't even know what Mahjong is.

And no, I was just watching Spdwagon and bzzzra playing a serious game while the others call on any tile they get.

Two more please

>>2652960

Yeah, you're mad. Stop taking the game so seriously... they're called "games" for a reason.

>>2652960
>playing a serious game

no daisangens, Ray Moo

Wow I made some bad mistakes there. Crap.

Thanks guys
Speedwagon out

>>2652994
>>2653146
Yup. Well played, as usual.

Good win, Lomino

Those yaku just added nicely for you.
ippatsu + uradora and tsumo + uradora for 6 yaku each.

Good win, Lomino

Those yaku added nicely for you.
ippatsu + uradora and tsumo + uradora for 6 yaku each.

Damned disconnects.

>>2653987
I was spectating your game. It was a really fuck yeah moment when you drew the 2nd 8 sou.

So, you just missed junchan, dora1, 1000/2000(3 han 30 fu).

>>2654050
It turned out to be 1000 more because of Origo's riichi.

ok i really hope that i never do this when i've got a good hand, pressing the wrong button is fucking stupid

I fucking hate laptops

How do I watch a game?

>>2654111

never mind, I found out

>>2654096
Reminds me of when I wanted to make a Kan while in tenpai for a possible rinshan kaihou and instead discarded one my 4 identical tiles.

Even though it is only pinfu, it was rather important to rob MoonCow's dealer position.

>>2654096
Reminds me of when I wanted to make a Kan while in tenpai for a possible rinshan kaihou and instead discarded one my 4 identical tiles.

Even though it is only pinfu tsumo, it was rather important to rob MoonCow's dealer position.

>>2654096
And this guy missed 400/700(20 fu, 2 han) + 300*2 + 1000 = 3100

>>2654152
i know that it wasnt much hence the "hope that i never do this when i've got a good hand", but would still have been better than the draw

>>2654152
You're acting as if 4000 or 3100 were nothing and that's wrong.
A 4000 tsumo makes for a 6000ten difference AND the dealer is changed.
If you can rob the other players' chances of making good dealer hands with 3-5k hands it's totally worth it.

>>2654096
You just had some awesome luck.
clam declares riichi for chitoitsu in the second turn and has to decide:
Do I wait for the Nan or the 8sou which is also the dora tile and the tile you will draw and immediately discard in your next turn.
Well, he/she went for the Nan.

Cubistic, fuck you

You guys sure like going for hon itsus.

Finally god damn, that game should have ended 3 hands ago.

I haven't played into a West round yet. How does that happen?

>>2654285

No one had over 30000 points

Need more bros in here.