/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I can't, I'm low on taco power.

I'd like to learn to play sometime, but it's got so many damn rules.....
I wonder how many unique hands there are overall....

I'm on.

Who's up for red fast?

ahh a tenhou thread
all right

Serious question... what makes this any different from playing Facebook poker?

>>2612489
It's not poker for one thing.

This is not Facebook
You don't need to have a face to play.

Serious question... what makes this any different from playing Melty Blood?

Holy shit Zodd!
3baiman dato?

>>2612515
Button mashing is much more effective in Melty Blood than in tenhou, thanks to the yaku thing.

lol abe u mad?

>>2612489
It's Japanese, which automatically makes it good and awesome and fun!

>>2612619
Mahjong is Chinese

>>2612625
Not Tenhou's riichi mahjong, dumbass.

>>2612625

>>2612625
Mah Joc is African American. What now!?

>>2612619
Which way do i even read？

>>2612489
People really need to stop comparing mahjong to poker. It's more like rummy. Mahjong doesn't even have betting in rounds during the game, it's nothing like poker.

What the fuck people. How hard is this for you to learn? You can learn the basics in 5 fucking minutes. JUST MATCH FUCKING TILES. It is not that difficult

four sets of 3 of a kind and 1 pair
seven pairs

ta-da simple

hell you can even go 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 5-6-7 7-8-9 and 1 pair

thanks I'm out

>>2612749
Whats that hand called?

>>2612489
getting old 1/10

>>2612789
There are no hands in mahjong. They're called yaku.

And could you be more specific. There are 3 yaku listed there.

>>2612856
Just used to the American version with special hands like "heaven's grace" "5 odd honors" "civil war" etc. I don't remember ever seeing that specific ordering. You ever try to play this style with the JP they'll look at you funny.

>>2612856
where are the yakus? he didn't even list what tiles they are (pin,sou,man) and if its a open or closed hand

>>2612789
Pin-Fu, Ii-Pei-Kou

here' a pretty good guide:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/e1ebag

This thread is the reason I rarely play with 4chan ppl.
Most don't know what the fuck they are doing and the rest are assholes.

Bump for more bros.

>>2612749
If it were that simple I'd have no problem, but I can never get a yaku.

>>2613070
get in tenpai, declare richii. simple

>>2612729
It should be obvious.

1-2-3
4-5-6
7-8-9

That's the only way the comic makes sense.

>>2613072
Riichi is work a yaku in and of itself? Cool, thanks, didn't know that.

>>2613070

Then stop calling. If you don't call you automatically get one for a closed hand.

>>2613084
only if you declare riichi

>>2612873
You'll want to relearn the rules for Japanese Riichi.

Hong Kong and Japanese style mahjong at least share most of the same principles and rules, but the Japanese style is much more intricate with yaku, riichi, dora, and scoring.
American mahjong, on the other hand, is nearly a completely different game that shares little in common with either HK, Taiwanese, or Japanese style.

Question

Furiten is when your wait is something you already discarded? Or does it include what your opponents have discarded also?

>>2613141
only your discards

>>2613141

Only your own discards, but it also includes open waits. For expamle if you have a 4-5 and are waiting for a 3 or 6 and have discarded a 3 already you won't be able to ron a 6.

>>2613070
You can call pon on honors tiles and that's an automatic yaku.

>>2613293
You've lost me. So, you're in furiten, you've discarded a 3 on a 3,6 wait. You mean to tell me not even the 6 can't save the hand? Why's that?

>>2613342

If there is a tile in your pond that would complete your hand (even with 0 han), then you cannot ron.

Also, if you pass up a chance to ron, then you can't ron until after someone claims a discard, or you draw.

>>2613321

You'll also probably only get 2 han. Only really worth doing if you're trying to beat someone else to a win, or your hand is stacked full of dora and/or red fives.

>>2613349
OK, so it's not necessary to change your wait to get out of furiten. Now, is this someone taking YOUR discard or someone taking any discards that clears up the furiten?

>>2613356
or you're going for a yakuman

>>2613070
Then stop stealing tiles you don't need.

>>2613370
just hope for a tsumo or see if you can change your wait

>>2613370

No, that is only for if you pass up a chance to ron. It's to stop you from choosing your target.

If you're waiting on a tile in your pond, you're fucked. Change your wait. If you've riichi'd, then just suck it up and wait till the end of the round and eat the loss.

>>2613370
>OK, so it's not necessary to change your wait to get out of furiten. Now, is this someone taking YOUR discard or someone taking any discards that clears up the furiten?

To clear this up, furiten has nothing to do with taking discards.

If you are waiting for a tile in your discards, you are in furiten as long as you do not change your wait. If you are in riichi and pass up a ron, it is permanent as well.

If you passed up a ron while not in riichi, you are in temporary furiten, and can ron again when you discard a tile.

>>2613321

It's post like these that make me rage, even though I understand you're probably not much of a mahjong expert either. But DON'T! NEVER EVER! Tell a beginner to pon on a yaku hai tile. THAT'S ALL THEY EVER DO. Pon on Yaku hai and with luck with for 1000 or 2000 points. And again... and again. And then someone else wins with a man gan and all these wins were for nothing.

DON'T CALL ON YAKU HAIS UNLESS YOU HAVE A SHITLOAD OF DORA OR YOU NEED A QUICK WIN!
(e.g. you're in the lead and it's almost the end or you need to bump someone of the dealer's position)

It won't get you any points. It's like playing an open tan yao, nothing by itself. All it does is annoy the fuck out of more experienced players since if there is more than one person like this on the table chances are every game will be forced to go fast and mahjong loses a lot of it's appeal. It's not fun like that.

>>2613417
>>2613432
>>2613392
Thank you all for making sense of it.

>>2613032
Playing in 0000 isn't that much of a different.
Most of time you have to count on tsumo to win and those japanese almost always pon on a yaku hai tile.

I always tend towards keeping my hands closed, because you can much more easily adapt your hand to future draws if you haven't called, and of course you'll probably get a much higher scoring hand if you win closed. I guess a lot of it's knowing when to open and when to stay closed and judging on those borderline situations.

Oh by the way, how do you register you name in Tenhou?

>>2613560
That's because most of them are just as much noobs as we are. If I had some money I'd buy myself an coount and play in the higher ranking rooms. Oh well.

Mornin /jp/. We're in a bit of a pickle right now. Anyone mind explaining what happened here
>>>/a/21359312
tl;dr 2 players get their points deducted after someone gets a ron.

>>2613740

It's a special penalty for Daisangen, the player who dealt the third dragon after someone had already declared two dragon pons is held liable for half the hand's worth even if somebody else deals into the hand.

Meh, this sucks.

NEED MORE SOUS!

>>2613852
This game rocked, two potential Yaku Mans in three hands. And the second one comes true.

Well it helps that the guy that threw the chun was building a chin itsu and thus obviously was reluctant to throw away his tenpai this close to the end, but well... shit happens, huh?

Anyways: FUCK YEAH DAI SAN GEN!

>>2613560
Nice, I'm up to 4 kyu so far, it's my goal to eventually make 1 dan in there. It's much, much more difficult and strategy based in there. Although ronning one of the JPs for 24000 in the first round is an amusing way to make them ragequit.

>>2613932

There's got to be an unwritten rule that if you ragequit from Tenhou or elsewhere you're a fucking pussy. That's more of a general rule, I guess, but would someone really do that if they were playing at a table? pff.

Goddamn someone took my name again. I should have registered a long time ago.

Figuring out how to join games....

>>2614167
first number is how many waiting. second is how many playing.

also
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/

>>2614185

Thanks. Reading it now.

>>2612619
You should hide Akagi's face and only show his nose.

>>2612628
It's still a Chinese game, you're just playing with Japanese rules.

>>2614002
Well yeah, and it's also shitty cause it just makes them autodiscard while they're gone. So its quite easy to have hands you'll never be able to complete, but on the plus side you have one player who can easily deal into your hand. Still, stupid.

Whoever Natsume is, you're freaking retarded.

>>2613932
I remember seeing the stats somewhere, only a couple hundred IDs qualify to play in the tenhou room. Getting to shodan is the first real challenge because you can actually lose points.

>>2614414
Some faggot over in /a/.

>>2614414
You pekokan?

I'm not Natsume but I apologize for being absolutely horrible last game, I just kinda played only half focused. It's fucking hto over here and I've been playing way too many games this morning... Time to take a break.

>>2614475
I've played 8 games and still won

>>2614483
That's good for you, but I can't seem to go on for more than 4 games.

>>2614501
You should drink energy drinks like Akagi

I feel like a proper game of mahjong should go on for six han chans and be played at night in a hot, smoke-filled room with some electric fans running.

>>2614530
Don't forget the fold-out chairs and old, grizzled men watching and playing.

>>2614530

Sure, if you want to get fan death.

>>2614564

What is that, death by fan? I've never been killed by a fan. I live in the shitty hot humid South and during the summer I leave a fan running while I sleep, and I've never died.

>>2614652
>I've never been killed by a fan.
Me neither. Then again, I suppose it would be a bit strange to have a following just for lazing around my apartment all day.

>>2613932
Know how many win you need to get to 1dan?
Also bump for players in 7447.

>>2614652
>What is that, death by fan?
Yeah. Fans cut up the oxygen atoms in the air so if you leave one running in a closed room for too long you will suffocate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
Fans don't kill people, chopped up oxygen molecules do.

Heh.

>>2614885
Hm, thought I sage'd there.
Next hand, the game sure is fair.

>>2614885
how is that worth 32000

gg fapper.

Would be a close game if you didn't play into zzdd hand earlier.

>>2614916
>(Japanese: chīhō – 地和): Non-dealer only, closed hands only

>If a non-dealer is dealt 13 tiles that are one tile away from a completed hand, and then draws the fourteenth tile from the wall to complete it on the first draw, it automatically becomes a yakuman hand, regardless of its contents.

Don't you just love it when you're waiting for 2,7 sou and the guy to your left throws a 2 sou closed kan?

>>2614885
7 pairs without a single dora... 32000? what the hell?

>>2614947
Looks like Chihou to me.

>>2612619
Lol'd fucking hard.

But I still love Akagi

>>2614928
I couldn't give up tanyao, anyway.

>>2614981
I forgot what happened in that game even though I just played it.

>>2614885
>>2614896
bitches love to ippatsu tsumo your ass.

Need 2more guys at 7447.

Gonna go play in 0000 if no one turn up .

bump for players
and hoping for less disconnects

head BUMP

People in 7447 need to play less in the south round games and stick in the east-round only ones. Some of us don't have that long to play a game.

I tried
I gave it my best
I got to tenpai
wai wai!

AoA
The sand in hell is a magical sand

gununu

need more players.

>>2616267
You post fast.
If you're Spdwagen, than that was sand for us both in this game.
A hell a lot of sand. Poor waldo

>>2616267
You post fast.
If you're Spdwagen, then that was sand for us both in this game.
A hell a lot of sand. Poor waldo

>>2616311
Poor me indeed. There were two times in there that I was 1 tile from a yakuman and had to throw into someone elses hand.

>>2616311
nope...
I'm the guy who uses the nick Spdwagon
I don't know this Spdwagen...

What the hell happened to that game?
I was just disconnected for the, I don't know, 10th time and the game seems to be over, but I can't even watch the replay. How did it end?

>>2616406
Take it easy. It is not a 0000 game.
$1 won.

Spdwagon(+2) waldo(-41) AoA(+39)

>>2616411
I can't take it easy when I'm disconnected every 5 minutes and my winning tiles are discarded while I'm away.

>>2616416
beato(-20) AoA(+7) $1(+56) K-On!(-43)

I was damm shitty in that game, keep playing into people hand.

>>2616186

>>2616442

bump

>beato(-20) AoA(+7) $1(+56) K-On!(-43)
can you explain me please how does +\- thing work? I just can't figure it out...

>>2616660
After the game is finished, the number of points which each of three players other than the winner has is rounded off to the nearest 1,000. The winner's points are the difference between 120,000 (30,000 × 4) and the total of these three players' points. The number of points is divided by 1,000, and 30 is finally subtracted from it. The sum of these final points is always zero. In most cases there are some additional points of awards or penalties related to the players' final place.

Example: The initial points are 25,000 each. A (winner): 43,600, B: 14,500, C: 15,400, D: 26,500, and rounded off to B:15,000, C:15,000, D:27,000. The number of the winner's points is calculated as follows irrespective of initial points: 120,000 − (15,000 + 15,000 + 27,000) = 63,000 (There sometimes happens the case like this. The result of the winner differs from 64,000 that was counted rounding 43,600 off and adding 4 × 5,000 (difference between 30,000 and initial points)). The final points and place: A:+33 (1st), D:−3 (2nd), C:−15 (3rd), B:−15 (4th). The 1st place is also counted like: (30 − 15) + (30 − 15) + (30 − 27) = +33.

tenhou has +20 +10 -10 -20 at the end of the game afaik.

you guys are awful

>>2616734
go easy on them. 7447 is a training room

>>2616734
And who are you?

>>2616734
>>2616739
>>2616752
The quality of 7447 seem to have like went up 3fold recently.
I used to win like 40% of the time last time but now I would be lucky to win by a small margin.
Last 10 games record
1位
1位
3位
3位
4位
2位
1位
2位
3位

Would anyone recommend a good book for learning Mahjong? I'd love to learn how to play but don't have the courage to ask all those Jewish women who play every week.

>>2616823
what's your average position and end points?

>>2616876
４人打ち
Games played: 151
Average end pt.: +18.556
Best end pt.: +87
Average position: 2.026

>>2616883
beato?

>>2616836

That's not even necessary. Just find a guide online for riichi mahjong with all the hands and principles of the game. And I'm guessing those women don't play Japanese rules anyway.

>>2616739

I thought it was the room for English speakers.

>>2616823
My games seem to be hit or miss. Either I play like crap or play really well.

Last 10 games were (latest first): 1st, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 2nd.

Just registered a new name (ArisaP) so I have to build up some sort of record again.

>>2616836
http://mahjong.dk/filer/riichisheet.pdf
Enjoy your 2 pages.

I was 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 0 (disconnect, 2) in the last games, but that was just a lot of magical sand.

>The quality of 7447 seem to have like went up 3fold recently.
but there are still people like MOEjong or K-On! (and a lot of NoName) that don't even know the rules.

>>2616994

I do see a lot of people calling tiles for absolutely no reason, like I did the week after I'd just watched Akagi and wanted to learn how to play. Read the rules, people.

>>2616667
thank you.
I figured out how to count winners points... but I still don't get how to do it with 2, 3 and 4. Can you give me a more detailed explanation so I can understand, please?

>>2617150
Yeah, that's what I did when I first started out. I called out every tile I see.

Thing is, they don't have the experience to analyze their hands too well yet. You should already have a rough idea what your hand will be before you discard the first tile (and deciding whether to play open/closed due to that). Don't be afraid to take apart melds for 'safety', trust your judgment a little more.

A lot of people in 7447 need to read http://v3gas.navhost.com/mahjong/#part8 or something like it.

>>2617703
nvm, I figured everything out. thanks again.

jesus christ, which one of you bastards pulled off koku shimusou (13 orphans- Yakuman hand) on a poor sucker? :[ "selente" i believe.

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna have to autodiscard. I can't play with people who round after round grab 1000 and 2000 point hands while people who know what they're doing get fucked out of tenpai from a 16000+ one round after round.

7447 is shit. Full of faggots who can't play for jack shit and only pons.

>>2619153
>>2619145
u mad?

>>2619153
This is new how?

>>2619196

It's not new, but perhaps it's time to make a new lobby for "/jp/ players who know how to fucking play riichi mahjong" and let the morons pon and chi their little hearts out in 7447 all night long or something. Sometimes people here who know how to play would like to play against each other and not 0000s.

>>2619239

How about actually asking people to play? It isn't hard to ask a few people if they're busy or not.

>>2619239
You forgot the "taking 9 seconds to make every single move" part of new players.

While playing the game with people that know what they're doing is enjoyable, playing with "beginners" shouldn't change your playstyle, if they bumped off your Haneman+ they actually did a thing right.

I blame Saki for creating a new wave of players. It was probably the same around when Akagi came out. People will either improve their games or quit playing.

>>2619268
word. if your playing against people who do that then compromise a little on your hand.

>>2619239

Then I'd suggest only playing in the fast game rooms. Beginners won't be playing in there unless they enter without realizing the shortened time limit for dealing.

>>2619272
I think its a good thing we got a surge of interest. Might even lead to a /jp/ tourney.

>>2619295

A whole tourney with people that take 5 seconds to think? No thanks, I'll stick with my IRC tourneys.

>>2619272
>when Akagi came out

Nobody played Mahjongg on 4chan before that.

Well, they may have PLAYED, but there were never any "hey, let's play" threads.

>>2619312
now dont go being antisocial on a board made for antisocial ppl. Come on, show me that beautifull smile of yours.

>>2619403

>>2619268
Well well I think 1000-2000points hand are valid strategy. But come on if you are down 10-15k you shouldn't be building those hand. Most of the time if a person got a mangan/haneman in the first round, it is easy for him to just win that game with every other person just making up 1k-2k to end the game.

God damn rage quitters. Quite a few of them on 7447.

>>2619447
That's the point, they aren't doing it because of any strategy, they go right off on round one through the end for those hands, even if they're 20k points down.

Damn it, I would have been in Tenpai if I didn't get overruled by that last pon, GGs everyone.

>>2619464
You were a good player. You and I kanned the fuck out of that other guy in riichi and ended the turn early that one time.

And gave me 12000 points :3

>>2619450

They don't realize that when you get a low enough score, you can get some magical sand.

MAGICAL SAND DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST!!

;_;

These threads are almost as bad as the Melty Blood ones.

>>2619473

Oh, if I hadn't, I'd have gotten screwed. Was 3 tiles or so from tenpai at that point.

Also, GGs on that last game everyone. I think I may be done for the night.

>>2619513

Then maybe ignore them? I don't know, just an idea.

>>2619403

I'm pretty sure that I can't be happy with anybody that plays slower than 3 seconds of thinking time.

2moar bros needed to start.

Too many doras. GGs, I'm done for real this time.

thanks for the dora rabbit-b

We need a couple more here.

>>2619799
I can't read hands nor do I know the full extent of scoring, so I walked straight into that one.

I shouldn't have gone into riichi with that shitty hand. Oh well, GG.

nice one, rabbit

>>2619268
Yeah, the more people to play with the better. At least, for me.

OTL

>>2620155
I think that was the fastest game I've played so far

>>2620169
How fast was it

Good games everyone, I think I'm getting addicted to this. Does anyone know if there is a room with the numbered bonus tiles you set aside that you also see in Akagi?

>>2620209
I don't think Akagi had bonus tiles.

>>2620206
It was over by the 5th round. Scathe was unluckily leaking points everywhere.

>>2620218
It looks like I'm mistaken. Never mind me

>>2620240
Fastest I was in was 3 hands.

The gods of mahjong must hate me tonight ;_;

>>2620169
Fastest one I had was two hands.
First hand: I hit someone for 12k
Second hand: Me and another person double ron'd the same person for 12k/8k

That was funny.

>>2620277
He seems to be all out of magical sand these days

That was a good game

What were you thinking throwing the 3man when you are not even in tenpai.

>>2620832
I was pissed :[ I agree, you shouldn't play on auto when full flush is so obvious.

>>2620832
he was obviously going for a kokushi musou

>>2620854
look at the wall... there's no tiles left. he basically handed him Houtei Chinitsu. hence "not in tenpai" being a big factor. nevermind the fact it was the last draw.

Gah, my electric company sure picked a fine time to go out on me for a few minutes.

Need more players.
Come on I know there is at least 8guys idling there at the moment.

bump

>>2621432
gg AoA.

>>2621527
yeah,
nice uradora

3:0

Anyone up for a game?

NEED MORE BROS

Well that hurt

good game lol

>>2624451
Not a good game at all

your tears are delicious

>>2624480
I just got a suuankou so I'm not sad at all.

Ugh, thought I'd at least get a positive score that time. GGs

I'd love to join you guys, but I have no fucking idea how to play. That two page PDF just kind of jumps in assuming you already have a clue.

>>2624531

>>>/rs/mahjong

"so you want to play mahjong" is a decent explanation. I think it also has a few links to sites where you can the computer to get used to it.

>>2624543
Thanks

>>2624555
also
http://v3gas.navhost.com/mahjong/

>>2624582
and
http://ofb.net/~whuang/ugcs/gp/mahjong/mahjong.html

That was the worst fucking game ever.

>>2624719
No you are just bad at this game

>>2624729

No, I had bad luck. No magical sand at all.

>>2624768
Hmm looking at the game again I see what you mean.

2:0

Protip: Making kans when someone riichi'd is often a bad idea.
Thanks for the uradora.