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because they use them to masturbate

because good women know how to handle a big stick

Samefag, that was a little too perfect.

>>2601297
OH, YOU WENT THERE!

Let's talk about ramen instead.

Upper body strength is required to use a sword effectively, not so much polearm

>>2601296
You are wrong. Bows are the ones associated with women in Japan.

>>2601313

Hrm, Cites? I was sure about bows, but ALSO about polearms.

>>2601324
You're being trolled.
The naginata is also considered a womens' weapon.

>>2601333

The women Samurai married were expected to defend the homestead while their husbands were at war.
Hence, Naginata, bows, yari, and other weapons that kept enemies at range were favored.

They were also fairly easy to use and required little training time as opposed to a sword.

>>2601340
Makes sense except that second part. I would've figured a bo staff would be heavier and harder to wield effectively than a sword. Plus, think about this scenerio: burglers attack a shack in the middle of the night, how the hell does a housewife keep them at bay and defend herself in a confined house with a weapon twice her size?

>>2601313
>>2601333

Wrong.

Women tend to be skilled at using staves and casting healing spells.

>>2601361
maybe all the housewives in a village form into a phalanx when under attack?

Seems safer to me. Flailing around with a sharp piece of metal will only get you cut. A spear keeps all of that sharp stuff away from your body.

>>2601376

But what if the robbers have cavalry?

>>2601404
As long as the housewives are on a bridge, there's no way the robbers can win.

>>2601404
phalanx > cavalry stupid
unless it's super-heavy cavalry like cataphractarii or clibanarii or something

>>2601412

unless they're also elite warrior monks

back in the old times, when villagers were under attack by the ninjas, these were the only things left after the men took all of the katana

>>2601419

Oh right, the Greeks just had cavalry around for show and not to protect their flanks or anything.

>>2601428

>katanas
I think you meant electric guitars.

It's like I'm really posting in /k/!

>>2601361
No. While I've only used bo staves made of white waxwood, you can spin those things around like toys with minimal strength and training. As long as you're using both hands, your leverage (the farther you space your hands, the more leverage you have) will overcome any disadvantage of weight and length (the longer the arm, the greater the moment of inertia).

>>2601376
That requires shields.

I've always wondered, what happens if a group of cataphracts do a frontal charge against a phalanx of spartan hoplite

>>2601447

DEAGLE DEAGLE DEAGLE DUAL DEAGLES GLOCK MORE LIKE GRENADE 1911 CAN KILL TANKS Y/Y MY SERBIAN COUSIN CAN MAKE A BETTER GUN THAN AN M-16 IF HE ATE A STICK OF DYNAMITE AND TOOK A SHIT

>>2601447
>Implying that /k/ takes something other than guns seriously.
hahaohwow.bmp

>>2601460
Spartans get raped. Cataphractoi were around in the 12th-13th century, equipped with lamellar, on horses with more armor, and a fuckhueg lance. Sparans had bronze, a shield, a spear, and balls.

>>2601485
Mongols rape them both.

>>2601532
They were hax. They rape anything as long as their army gets there.

>>2601532

Mongols raped faces. Pissed me off in Medieval 2, faggots ALWAYS RAPED ME when I played Turks.

>Mongols
Mounted archers = THE GAME

>>2601485

You'd have to get the cavalry to charge the phalanx first. Contrary to popular belief you can't get a horse to charge straight into a wall of men - even trained battle horses won't do it. If the spartans can hold a tight formation - and they were good at that - then the cataphracts can't touch them.

Cavalry is used once the line is broken, not before - to chase after retreating/routing men and to flank archers/artillery.

Mongols have probably spread their genes everywhere.

>>2601573
inb4 that weeaboo girl on Gaia.

>>2601626hoplite lance
Meant to be spear.

>>2601571
However, a lance used by Cataphractoi is longer than a hoplite lance , about 1.3 meters longer. 4 meters for the lance, and about 1 of that is still with the horse and rider, so that is 3 meters to make it to the enemy, which will be longer than the hoplite's spear.

>cavalry is used once the line is broken, not before
Normal cavalry yes, not cataphract. Cataphract was specifically designed to break infantry lines with a single crushing frontal charge. They could appreantly impale two roman legionnaires on their spear at once when they charge.

Cataphract lances = 4m
Hoplite dory = 2-3m
Sarissa (Macedonian phalanx) = 4-7m

Cataphract lances aren't exactly overwhelming in length vs spears that you see used in phalanxes. Plus in a phalanx spears points at the front are stacked like 5 rows deep

>>2601633

Roman Legionaries didn't fight in phalanxes. The Iranians killed the Romans with the cataphracts because they had horse archers supporting them also. If the Romans formed the testudo then the cataphracts charged. Everything else they just pelt them with arrows.

Are we just determining how a phalanx would work based on our experiences playing Rome: Total War?

>>2601808
What, are you expecting us to have real life experiences with phalanx formations? ^_^;;

>>2601808

>lololol i trol u.

>>2601808

I'm basing my experiences off Medieval II: Total War with shield wall formations...even though pikemen don't have shields and just have pikes...

>>2601808
Phalanx formation was the best part of RTW. Delicious micromanagement.

Did japan use much in terms of formations in fighting?

>>2602019
not for most of its history, in the late parts of the medieval period they did

>>2602018
second'd

It was just more tactically interesting. With that formation even militia hoplites (which cost like what? about the same as roman town watch?) could give legions a good fight, yet it wasn't overpowered since it pretty much instantly collapses if you attack it from the other three sides. As opposed to the "move here, attack people" stuff with legions.

>>2602041
historically armies of hoplites hardly ever won against roman legions.

>>2602041
I just found it hilarious when the computer would send waves of soldiers at me all in phalanx formation. Bait them with a unit and smash them with another.

>>2602080
because after Alexander the Great they were fielding phalanx by itself without combined arms. They thought it was the phalanx that won all of Alexander's battles were it was actually his use of different troop types to cover each other.

Historically a phalanx was almost virtually unbeatable from the front, especially on level ground. The reason why phalanxes became surpassed by Roman legions was because it highly inflexible. Phalanxes required a lot of time to form into formation and couldn't fight effectively on uneven terrain. In addition phalanxes could really only attack in a forward motion. They aren't really able to do anything else in that tight formation but move forward anyway. Roman legions were more flexible and could adapt more effectively to changes on the battlefield.

>>2602088
Some of the hellenic states like the Greek Cities had almost no archers, skimishers or cavalries, all they had were different types of hoplites so they had no choice.

But we all know who the best nation in RTW was - Seleucid Empire, they have everything: Macedonian phalanxes, cataphracts, war elephants, chariots, mounted skirmishers, home grown legions, and being fucking rich due to being both on the mediterranean coast and the silk road.

>>2602148
the reason they had there own legions is because the Romans kicked their asses

>>2602166
CA didn't do their fucking homework for the fluff behind RTW. Play Europa Barbarorum for a more realistic roster for Selucids.

Time traveling robot armies from the future will show all of these pathetic humans the meaning of warfare, as well as no mercy and genocide.

>>2602209
i havent played the normal version in a long time

>>2602148
>Some of the hellenic states like the Greek Cities had almost no archers, skimishers or cavalries, all they had were different types of hoplites so they had no choice.

This isn't necessarily true. Only the people who could afford the equipment became hoplites.

There were Greek cities - especially on Sicily/Lower Italy, that had cavalry, skirmishers, and hoplites.

>>2602209
>Play Europa Barbarorum for a more realistic roster for Selucids.

Is EB as tediously annoying as RTR is?

>>2602253
>Greek cities
>Lower Italy

Pardon?

>>2602273
It loads slow as fuck, bogs down your system and it often crashes for no apparent reason.

>>2602281
Taras/Syracuse. Learn2history.

>>2602281

Magna Graecia... have you heard of it?

>>2602293
Honestly, no.

>>2602281
>Pardon?

The Greek Cities colonized areas in Sicily and lower Italy, called Magna Graecia.

Of particular importance, it's where Athenian forces had disastrous losses during the Peloponnesian War.

>>2602309

Can't say that I blame you. Knowing about it hasn't changed my life at all. It doesn't even make me a better person.

Because women love fondling the shaft.

Let's play RTW

no archers
no cavalries
no legion
phalanx only
Final Destination