/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I'm guessing that people think they get more attention than they deserve.

Because their music has never been good and they draw in annoying ANIMU ^_____^ faggots who don't even play the games.

WHY WHY WHY WHY DON'T I MISS YOU A LOT FOREVER

SHANGHAI SHANGHAI SHANGHAI SHANGHAI HOURAI HOURAI HOURAI HOURAI FRANSO HOLLAND TIBETE KYOTO LONDON RUSHIA ORLEANS

They went beyond Youtube retard and into Gaia territory.

Because they made two good albums, and then churned out like 8 really shitty ones.

Because they became popular and new Touhou friends spammed it now even newer Touhou friends show up and display immense hate for it to show that they're bettter than old new Touhou friends.

I like IOSYS
they are fun to listen to while ultragrindan in a mmo

IOSYS is like the living definition of one-hit wonderful. Case in point: Cirno's perfect math class is the only song that anybody can name on their 9th album. Similarly, Overdrive, Marisa Stole the Precious Thing, and pretty much every song with a world-famous flash cartoon come from otherwise mediocre albums.

I won't deny that each album has at least several songs at are fun to listen to (and they're rarely the super-hyped flash animated ones either), but IOSYS has a pretty low batting average, as almost every album has an equally large number of songs that are unbearable to listen to. Most remixes fall into this category.

I really did like the Reitaisai 5 album, it doesn't have any real weak points, it's fun to listen to all the way through, and none of it feels repetitive. It also doesn't any remixes.

As for why people hate IOSYS, there's all of what I listed to make people believe that it's mediocre (not inaccurate, I'd say it's par for the course as far as doujin goes). However, unlike a lot of mediocre groups, IOSYS is really over-hyped. People hate IOSYS for the same reason they hate Halo: It's okay and I can enjoy it from time to time, but the fan base is absolutely intolerable. Also, the things I like least about IOSYS are repetitiveness and remixes (which sort of go hand in hand), and it doesn't help that they have several albums that consist of nothing BUT remixes.

Other than the Reitaisai 5 album, most of the IOSYS albums that I find enjoyable are non-Touhou albums. Most people here are mainly into Touhou, so chances are that most people here only see the worst of IOSYS.

I've never liked them. I listened to all of their stuff a few times after downloading that huge Touhou music torrent, but I could never get into it. Their music is probably my least favorite out of all the Touhou music I've listened to.

But of course according to IOSYS fans if you don't like them it must be because you hate popular things.

Because /jp/ is easily trolled.

Next question!

Retarded annoying moe moe shit.

Touhou doujin music albums tend to be 1 decent song mixed in with 10 other really bad songs. IOSYS is no different.

I think Demetori's Sinen is still the only consistently good album.

>>2600249

If I were to have sex with the Crimson Moon, would I become a Dead Apostle Ancestor?

I hate them because it isn't music... its someone talking and some noise in the background. Really annoying shit.

>>2600269

Not a chance.

>>2600271
This is true. The vast, vast majority of Touhou doujin albums have one or two good songs with a bunch of other tracks that are pretty bad. However, there are still some artists whose albums consistently good. dBu and Crow's Claw come to mind.

The problem is that people tend to group IOSYS with other consistently good artists when it's in fact one of many, many hit-and-miss types.

I like IOSYS.

You haters just hate it because it's popular and you want to feel hardcore.

>>2600228
>IOSYS
>non-Touhou albums

wat

Koi-Iro Magic Orchestra is the only the Touhou album I've enjoyed, and that's only because I'm a fag for YMO.

Cirno's Theme, YMO style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7P1ytFkVY

One time I was on the weeabootique TF2 server and was playing Puppetmaster's Love by Crow's Claw. When it got to the refrain, several people said "oh, cool IOSYS rock remix" and "hey it's a cover of marisa stole the precious thing"

I raged so hard.

People who believe that IOSYS created most touhou medleys are ruining the world.

>>2600328
>TF2
>/v/ server

Found your problem.

>>2600313
He probably means Albatrosicks.

The only worthwhile person in IOSYS is ARM. I like some of his stuff, but that's only when he's doing the music without his helium huffing girls and something other than the plink plonk plastic j-pop.

The only IOSYS songs I really listen to are Overdrive and Marisa Stole the Precious thing. Both are fun and energetic.

i really liked Eastern Bubbling Underground. Nitori's voice ;_;

Because it brings shit like this to the fandom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHLj2mE8a3c


HOW DOES THIS MAKE YOU FEEL, /jp/?

Because they haven't been all that good since their EO album?

I like their version of Yuka's PoFV theme and that's it.

>>2600556
Yeah that's a really good album if you don't mind its loose structure. It's almost like a musical.

TAM・・・許可なしにイベントで他人の曲披露、バイオリンシリーズは詐欺
イオシス・・・法人化してることを隠し同人活動、アマゾンでも買えますよ
！
どぶ・・・ほぼ耳コピ、イベント出すぎ、勝手に使用許諾、グッズ屋に成り
果てる、(フラワリ)俺に感謝しろー！
石鹸屋・・・新譜発表の度値上げ、再販多め、イベント多すぎ、カラオケ化
しすぎ
まりお・・・カラオケにアレンジを売りZUNが難色（一橋講演）、自分の名を
アレンジCDのタイトルに
Alstroemeria Records・・・東方やってたらポルシェ買えました
Iron Attack・・・十年後の億万長者発言
いえろ～ぜぶら・・・ニコ動で人気出てから再販しまくり、ぜぶら価格４曲
１０００円CD
Silver forest・・・イベントで新譜なし常連、再販多め、歌詞厨二病
SOUND HOLIC・・・イベントで新譜なし常連、過去９作品再販を最近多発
岸田教団・・・絶賛値上げ中、ロキノン病、オマージュ(笑)、自宅警備員
はちみつくまさん・・・無償で長時間、長期、働ける人材を募集しておりま
す

>>2600271
pretty much this

every time i download a new album I end up listening to one or two songs

I actually sort-of liked Giant Swing. But I may just be slightly strange.

Their version of Gensokyo Past and Present ~Flower Land wasn't all that bad either.

>>2600175
That outfit makes Mima look a bit like a matured Sanae.

>>2600626
It's more a testament to Cool&Create's ability to save anything, even when IOSYS is involved.

My issue with IOSYS is that they're the poster child for the very worst sorts of weeaboos - the meme spamming, KAWAII DESU YO NE type who think that high-pitched, oversynthed "singing" set to a stupidly fast tempo is superior to all other music.

That being said, out of the stuff I've listened to, I thought Border of Death was pretty good.

>>2600669
Fascinating.

IOSYS is responsible for starting (or popularizing) the stuttering tsundere Alice trend, which is pretty much the antithesis of how ZUN tries to depict her (She's a canon sociopath. Read the text accompanying Dolls in Pseudo Paradise if you don't believe me.).

>>2600669
Those kind of otaku are the ones that buy the majority of their albums

>>2600683
This. Oh, this.

Seriously, how did fanon Alice even come to exist? Did IOSYS just manufacture her out of thin air?

I liked this album and they released it because of the HURRRR praise and blame thing. Apparently. I don't even know, and why do you want to know why people dislike a band on the internet, anyway? This is /jp/, we'll hate anything legit reason or not.

Also, bloom was a very, very good album and ARM is one of the big redeeming factors theyre lucky enough to possess.

>>2600683
No.
>>2600735
By expanding on some parts of her personality. It's not as though the fanon personality is completely unrelated to the canon one.

>>2600772
>No.

Didn't read it, huh? I'll post the text for you, then.

Our village of honest men originally consisted of only eight people.
We all picked up and moved to a mountain in the east. Two years of,
well, utterly boring daily life passed us by.
One day, one of us found a little hole in a peach tree.
Yes, that was the day we were lost in this paradise.
And right away, I stopped being human.

As the most curious one of our group, I hurried straight away into the depths of the forest.
There, I was stopped by a mysterious clown, which seemed to be more than
happy to hand over the Branch of Hourai. The moment I took hold of it, my
body and head separated from each other. I found myself unable to move,
so I was never able to see my friends again.
After that, there were seven honest men left.

>>2600786
cont:

In the morning, I could see a shrine maiden in red and white dancing far above the ground.
As the fastest among our group, I was long entranced by that most vigorous of dances.
Eventually, it began to rain, and by the time I came to my senses,
The shrine maiden had disappeared.

I didn't notice when it stopped raining. The shrine maiden had been soaked completely
through, and it was as if she'd melted away into the rain. As I had been watching her,
the rain had become a veritable storm, and I, the most beautiful one, was taken
captive by the clowns. Just then, the clowns disappeared into the storm,
and I was unable to return to where the others were.
After that, there were six honest men left

That night, the six men held a foreign-style party. I, the youngest, had
never had sake or opium, so I found it all to be terribly boring.
I secretly snuck away from where the party was, but in the darkness
I was caught by a sinister clown. I was immediately beheaded.
I would never again be capable of even boredom.
After that, there were five honest men left.

>>2600758
Fun album overall.

あなたたちは

>>2600791
cont:

I ran until I couldn't breathe anymore. Being the coward of the group,
I was so afraid of this paradise. This was only to be expected, but no
matter how far I ran, I couldn't find a way back to our home.
All the people I cared about had disappeared, and I thought I had no more
reason to live, so in my despondence I threw a rope over a branch and hanged myself.
... yet somehow, I'm still conscious. Was the rope too weak? ...
I, the coward of the group, have been reborn. I have nothing to lose,
so why don't I try pretending to be human just once more?

When we awoke, the five of us found ourselves in darkness. If there was one
thing I could say, it was that we seemed to have been captured by mysterious clowns.
The other four were coming up with childish escape plans. As the wisest of the group,
I knew they should stop, but I found myself unable to say anything.
The four carried out their plans as expected, but contrary to my expectations
they were successful. After that, I was never able to escape.
I killed a lot of time alone in an endless darkness; at one point, I sensed a
presence behind me, but I had given up. Something hot prodded into my back.

Our escape was a great success. We thought we were amazingly clever,
and decided to head back to our new abode in this paradise.
It never occurred to us to distrust any of the others in our group.
We were all honest men. We all got along so well ...

This paradise had erected a perfect building to act as our home.
An old-looking, western style building deep within the forest always
happily served us. But there's always a lot of food waiting for us, and
we can only ever go through half of it.
Our group of honest men had fallen to half strength at some point.

>>2600799
cont:

Every afternoon, we'd have tea time. And every time I'd
have bitter coffee, but today it seems to be sweeter.
Maybe that's because of the love potion ...
I, the most beautiful of our group, fell in love with a beautiful
pierrot, and fell asleep in a state of bliss.
After that, there were three honest men left.

I very clearly saw my friend, who was poisoned. There's no way it was
suicide. After all, I picked out the right coffee and brought it to
everyone's rooms. I didn't tell the other two about his death.
He never ate or drank anything I, the most wary of our group, didn't
prepare myself. I desperately tried to stay awake until they were both asleep.
I entered each of their rooms and locked the doors. Yes, I suspected
a particular one of the two.

--->The sound of a spike being pounded into a tree rang out from somewhere
close by. <--- Just which of them is doing it? My face contorted in terror in
the darkness. My hands and feet throbbed in pain in time to the sound. It
was just like they were being nailed to something. I thought I should talk
to a medium, but then I realized something.
That's right, I realized I was being nailed to a tree, and I couldn't move.
Just which of the two was doing this to me?
Then, the final nail went through my forehead.
At that moment, I saw the face I expected to see.
All light completely vanished, with no time for me to cry out.

>>2600802
cont:
I, the earliest riser of the group, was already on death's door.
There was something in this morning's ham and eggs. I must be pretty
dense for the group to have gotten down to just the two of us without
catching on. It must have all been that person's doing, who killed all
the others in fits of madness.
　Well, anyway, it's already too late ...
Seems like I saw a shrine maiden at some point. Was I just imagining it,
Or was her hair really that blonde?
In exchange for my life, it seems that soon only my wish to see that
vision again will be granted.

After that, I, who have been reborn, was assailed by intense drowsiness
yesterday evening. My head felt like it was being split open. I can't remember
anything about yesterday evening, but it feels like I had a long dream. It
would have been even better if I didn't have to face the reality before me ...
What does it all mean? One was poisoned with coffee, one was nailed to a tree,
another went and hanged himself ... I can't believe it.
I got the chair and rope ready, and finally mumbled to myself.
If I died last, then only the coffee poison death could ever have worked.
In other words ... is that how it is?
That must be it.
There must have been something in my dinner.
Oh, whatever, I'm the last one left, I'm all alone.
I don't have any attachments left to such a world full of liars.
This time I tied a good, strong rope to the ceiling and kicked away the chair.
This time, my body didn't fall all the way down to the ground.

>>2600808
cont:

And then, there were no honest men left.

The shrine maiden of paradise spent a peaceful summer just like every other.
One summer day, this was written in the shrine maiden's diary.

August X
--->Today's incident started when I met a beautiful blonde girl
walking from the old western-style building deep in the forest. <---
--->I feel like I've seen her somewhere before, but I just can't
remember every little detail like that. <--- The girl was just idly
sticking out her tongue and bowing her head and wandering towards
the exit to paradise while laughing loudly. Such an odd girl.
Come to think of it, that girl was the only woman in the eight
honest men, not that it really matters.
Oh, today was just another boring day ...

Guess whose dolls those clowns were, by the way.

>>2600786
tldr, all of it

>>2600813
...huh. Well that was...certainly something.

>>2600808
tl;dr

>>2600813
ok, so she's creepy. I'm not certain why this conflicts with her being supposedly tsundere for marisa.

>>2600860
I had thought for a long time that Alice could be more appropriately be described as being "yandere," but I realize that there's something wrong with both "yandere" and "tsundere" in describing Alice that they both have in common: the "-dere." "yander" and "tsuntsun" could both be descriptive of Alice, I guess. But she is definitely not "deredere."

>>2600822
>I'm not certain why this conflicts with her being supposedly tsundere for marisa.

What proof is there (from ZUN) of her being "tsundere" for Marisa? As you can see, there's reasonable evidence to show that ZUN construes her as someone who enjoys murder, but tsundere?

This story was made before PCB. Moreover, the C63 version changes the story completely, for some reason. Maybe ZUN didn't liked it. Just assuming though.

>>2600895
oh, I'm not arguing that tsun-alice is canon, just that the "fanon" alice doesn't seem to really conflict with canon alice as far as I've seen.

>>2600925
>oh, I'm not arguing that tsun-alice is canon, just that the "fanon" alice doesn't seem to really conflict with canon alice as far as I've seen.

Someone post the Alice/Notalice picture, please.

>>2600953

Thanks, I had this a while ago, but lost it.

>>2600993
The two sides don't conflict.
It's like saying a chessboard isn't white because it's black.

>>2600953
>>2600993
so... once again, how do these conflict? It's marisa's skirt she's chasing, not reimu's.

lots of tsunderes act like asshats to people in general. It's only the special ones who get treated differently.

>>2600993
I find it funny how it tries to antagonize the "fanon" Alice by going to the complete opposite.

>>2601021

>It's marisa's skirt she's chasing

Why would a youkai care about a human?

Much less that daze daze thiefing mushroom girl.

Personally, I think the only good things IOSYS have done were joint projects with COOL&CREATE.

Examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gsf1v8gAVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy-yWDtY7z4

>>>2601021
>It's marisa's skirt she's chasing, not reimu's.

Prove this?

>>2601033
>I find it funny how it tries to antagonize the "fanon" Alice by going to the complete opposite.

The opposite is more interesting and has a basis in canon. It also makes Alice into something other than a useless, dependent joke character.

>>2601020
>The two sides don't conflict.

The question isn't whether they conflict, but rather which has a greater basis from the creator. Read above for a substantiation of psychopath Alice.

>>2601056
yeah, I read it.

Personally I don't care about the 'validity' of the quote-unquote fanon Alice.

It's just that there was some whining about how ludicrously untrue it was, etc. but I didn't see any evidence backing up all the butthurt. So far, I still don't.

My overall feelings on the matter can be summarized as 'meh'.

>>2601087
Psycho-alice is merely a corrective to the construct created by IOSYS, which doesn't have a basis in anything.

>>2601056
>The opposite is more interesting

To you.

>and has a basis in canon.

Alice going "fuck you" hardly has a basis in canon. She is not a bitch, at least not any more of a bitch than most youkai. She has something against Reimu, or at least that can be assumed from her interview in BAiJR. She is usually polite.

>Read above for a substantiation of psychopath Alice.

What, the story from dolls in pseudo paradise? Seems it got retconned in the c63 version. I wouldn't take it as canon...

In the end, Alice can both be portrayed in a lot of ways, as a gloomy character, a tsundere comic relief, or a bit of both. Depends on the artist, but both aren't far from the official representation in my opinion.

>>2601102
No.

Once upon a time...

In a magical forest, in a far-off land, there lived a dollmaker. The dolls she made were beyond compare- a look would reveal no seam or joint, and a touch would bring the soft feeling of skin. They would move as she willed them, walking, jumping, even dancing around in merriment if she so felt like it. So skilled was she with the puppetry that naught a finger on her own hand need be lifted to care for her cottage.

However, this wasn't enough for her. She so desperately wanted her dolls to move on their own, to think, and feel, and have dreams of their own. Her studies were tireless, her works inspired and grand- but still her dolls stayed just dolls.

Over the years, her wish and her dream sank into the walls, the floor, even the very air of the forest beyond, but it all remained unanswered. Then, one day, all that work, hope, and love came together just so...

A doll that had sat on a shelf, looking over a grassy field beyond the window, was the first to move. It blinked once, then twice, then got up and stretched its little arms high. It took a step, then another, then laughed most merrily. It could move! It could sing, and dance, and skip across the floor as well as any child could! Soon, more dolls got up, some confused, some scared, but the first was joyous and knowing, and did comfort and help her new sisters.

Soon, all the dolls were up and about, some getting started on the much needed cleaning, others heading out to deal with the thick weeds that tangled about the cottage, and a few simply standing still to take in the feeling of being alive. The first doll worked open the door to the maker's bedroom, and bounced onto the sheets to give her the good news.

But she didn't get up.

She couldn't get up.

The long years of trying, all the work she had done, had taken from her youth, vitality, and, at long last, finally life. Nothing remained but dust and bones. The little doll fell back, her little heart nearly broken under the sorrow. The dollmaker couldn't hug her, or talk with her, or sing to her. But she was a well made doll, and could do still do one thing for her maker.

So she cried.

>>2600175
Because it's cool.

I LOVED IOSYS at some point. Then I realised that they were overrated and there are better circles like SYNC.ART's, Cool&Create, =NeutraL=, Silver Forest, TaNaBaTa etc.

SYNC.ART's has good vocals and great music especially when composing rock.

Cool&Create is awesome in remixing and vocals (Nitori's epic themesong changed to a sad song about a lonely youkai?) but I'm not too fond of the techno/trances beside Night of Nights.

Silver Forest is the anti-IOSYS. They compose more serious songs than moe songs, in the same ratio IOSYS makes moe songs to serious songs.

What's up with =NeutraL= and their songs differing so much from album to album?

TaNaBaTa's great. The male vocals are great in contrast to the other circle's female vocals.

Innocent Key is an exception for me since they actually CAN make serious songs like GrilledBird and Jealousy at the Theme Park to counter Touhou Sweets and Touhou Holy Water (a.k.a urine) Festival.

I'd have to admit that I enjoy Eastern Bubbling Underground tho.
ANATA TASHI WA

I don't.

>>2601205

>Silver Forest is the anti-IOSYS

suika suika tsurupetta suika

>>2601214

Tsurupettan has been the background music for so many of my fap sessions that simply seeing the title evokes a Pavlovian response... from my penis.

>>2601205
SYNC.ART's and Silver Forest are more consistent in what they do, vocal arrangements. IOSYS tries to do different genres, it's a bit more experimental in that regard, that's why it's a hit or miss for most people. Innocent Key is pretty much like IOSYS, they do lots of parody or comedy songs with some serious songs in between.

>>2601214
Kero(9), Tsurupettan and that PAD something that sounds like Sand Cannon are just little compared to their serious ones.

>>2601205
Are GrilledBird/Jealousy at the Theme Park actually serious? I don;t understand moon, but the titles seem to imply otherwise.

>>2601242
I'm no expert in Japanese, but I think yes. It sounds like it, too.

Everytime IOSYS releases a promotional video for their new album, I feel like hey've jumped the shark. Especially when the blindly Touhou loving idiots on nicovideo go crazy over nonsense like Cirno's Perfect Math Class.

But when I listen to the CD proper, it very often happens to surprise me with a couple of songs that are good or sometimes very good. Except for the album of the song I previously mentioned. That CD was just awful through and through.

Ultimately it all comes down to taste, but I'd say that 55% of the IOSYS hate just comes from a bunch of internet cool guys.