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N.

Shirou can't give proper mana to his Servants, therefore NEITHER of them can use UBW right.

Shirou with Tohsaka contract + Archer with Tohsaka contract = Unlimited Awesome Works.

Of course then there's the whole deal of Archer wanting Shirou dead.

Y.

Shirou could have sex with Archer to refill his mana. It'd just be masturbation.

>>2582455
Archer is a weak Servant supported by a weaker master.

They easily lose.

Suddenly I have this mental picture of Archer chasing Shirou around with Yakety Sax playing on the background.

>>2582462

Actually, he's a weak Servant with a rigged ability.

Remember, he can pull an endless Gate of Babylon.
And no Servant can handle Gate of Babylon in the first place.

>>2582474
But Lancer can protect himself from projectiles.

>>2582462

Archer is by no means a weak Servant,at full power the guy can stand toe to toe with Saber,maybe even take her out since she's afraid to use Excalibur against him because he could just counter it and kill everyone in the surrounding area. Which of course she's too much of a moralfag to even consider doing such a thing. Then with that out of the way,its just a simple matter of Unlimited Blade Works,spam some Noble Phantasm's effects and bam,she's dead.

But yeah OP this would not work. Maybe if we're speaking about an Emiya who knows how his body needs to function/has proper magic training,then it'd be a pretty badass team up. Especially once one of them activates UBW since apparently when its activated they can both utilize the world no matter who creates it. But otherwise.........Nah,they'd die instantly,Shirou only got so far as he did because Saber simply went from a "Golden Sword" to a "Bronze Sword" when he was in control of her. Anyone else would have went from a "Steel Sword" to a "Chipped Stone Sword".

>>2582492

You misunderstood him. Archer is indeed a weak Servant. All his stats are low, except Magical Energy, which is only B. His only good skill is Mind's Eye (True) (doubly so with Clairvoyance) and his 'Noble Phantasm' that's really just a magic spell.

And no, he can't go toe-to-toe with Saber. Even Shirou-depowered-Saber beats Archer in up close combat. Archer can beat her at a range, though.

>>2582483

Yeah, Rank D Projectile Defense will completely stop the Heroic Spirit of Projectiles in his tracks.

>>2582492 Chipped Stone Sword

Worked for Berserker for the most part

>>2582500 Even Shirou-depowered-Saber beats Archer in up close combat

Only after Archer projectile spammed Caster, cast UBW, then waited for a day or so without a master regenerating his mana reserves. Full powered+mage supported 5th Archer would have killed Shirou even if Shirou could use UBW.

They'd still lose against a Serious Sakura.

Medusa Eyes + Monstrous transformation + Bellerophon + Angra Mainyu mana Supply = pwnage

>>2582508

No, in standard combat. Archer couldn't even react fast enough to beat Saber in their first meeting. Archer can't beat her in close range combat, EXCLUDING using UBW. And if he gets that, then she get Excalibur. Archer doesn't have anything that exceeds A+ rank, so Saber wins at that.

And if Shirou can use UBW, him vs. Archer is a stalemate as they'd just fire swords at each other until one of them runs out of mana.

Saber > Archer

Saber would've EXCALIBLASTED Archer out if it weren't for Rin and Shirou in the audience.

>>2582526

That's not actually fair. That's Masterless Archer, and Tohsaka Saber.

Give Archer Tohsaka and Saber can have, say, Kiritsugu.

Then the fight turned maximum power would have Archer flinging every damn sword he knows while Saber eksukalibans.
The fight PROBABLY goes to Archer, if he knows swords with -Dragonslayer like Gram.

>>2582535
>Kiritsugu
Enjoy having Rin shot and Saber doing until EXCALIBAAAAAH!

>>2582535
How is that possible. Gil > Archer, and Tohsaka's father is better than her. Kiritsugu would probably sit around with his sniper rifle and pick her off.

>>2582447

Shirou + Shirou = ...buttsex.jpg

>>2582535


Dude, naive schoolgirl playing magus like Rin wouldn't stand a chance against badass hitman like Kiritsugu.

Of course, I don't think Archer know how his daddy operate during the 4th GW.

>>2582563

>Gil > Archer, and Tohsaka's father is better than her.

If you read Fate/Zero, Saber avoided Gilgamesh the entire time except the finale (where she didn't win anyway).

>>2582558
>>2582711

I just used them as examples for Masters. We'll say they won't help out, guns or jewels.

Dammit stop being tsundere you bitch

>>2582500
>All his stats are low

Durr if you think the highest stat Servant is the best, take a look at Berserker and how useless he is.

I still don't know why the fuck anyone would've chosen Berserker as their partner anyway. Sure, you get the most powerful beast in the fight, but without any brains it would be totally useless-not to mention the high mana consumption.

That being said, how was 4th Berserker able to use his NP and the 5th can not ?? IIRC we got told that it was due to Mad Enhancement, but the 4th Berserker got put under it as well.

>No, in standard combat. Archer couldn't even react fast enough to beat Saber in their first meeting.
I thought that Archer didn't attack Saber because he recognized her fron his past

>>2582758

>Durr if you think the highest stat Servant is the best, take a look at Berserker and how useless he is.

Both Berserkers are top tier Servants, what the fuck are you talking about?

4th could've won the entire damn war, if it weren't for his Master having WORMS FOR BLOOD.

5th was a monster that would've stomped pretty much everyone except true Saber and Gilgamesh (and Gilgamesh is only really beatable by Archer, Avalon-Saber, and 4th Berserker).
Caster even admits she'd be run over if she faced him, Rider has no chance (even under Sakura), and Fake Assassin can only hold him off. Archer proved that going ALL OUT he dies with only a 6 kill tally.

>That being said, how was 4th Berserker able to use his NP and the 5th can not ?? IIRC we got told that it was due to Mad Enhancement, but the 4th Berserker got put under it as well.

2 of Lancelot's NPs are passive effects like God Hand, and Arondight doesn't need intelligence to wield.

Neither are intelligent enough to use a bow (Nine Lives being just that).

>>2582521

He didn't react fast enough because he was shocked to see her again. Play UBW.

>>2582806
>4th could've won the entire damn war, if it weren't for his Master having WORMS FOR BLOOD.

Read the second paragraph of my previous argument.

>5th was a monster that would've stomped pretty much everyone except true Saber and Gilgamesh

Only when they confronted him face-on. We saw how Caster prepare to deal with this handicap, and Archer being commanded by that stupid bitch Rin to hold him off without any strategy literally lead to his death.

Your argument is like, "Oh hey, assassin class sucks so bad coz he can't win anyone on 1-1" which is pretty stupid considering there are many ways in the war to beat down your opponent.

>I still don't know why the fuck anyone would've chosen Berserker as their partner anyway.

Ilya is mad and want to have a little word with you.

>>2582824
>>2582824
>Archer being commanded by that stupid bitch Rin to hold him off without any strategy literally lead to his death.

Things would've been different if Rin knew who Archer really was.

>>2582824

Actually, I think Assassin is the very best class. Go figure.

Anyway, Berserker's POINT is to barrel over his opponents. Bum rush them so they don't have time for a strategy or cannot get it in motion.
Shirou and co. would've been demolished in the Fate route if it weren't for Caliburn ex Machina, even with their plan.

>. Archer proved that going ALL OUT he dies with only a 6 kill tally.
Nasuhax
Shirou manages to kill his 7 times with 1 sword in Fate, whilst Archer could've made the same word a hunderd of times to demolish Berserker.
And in HF Archer manages to wreck Berserker while he is just an arm, attached to Shirou.

>>2582898

No. Shirou made Caliburn, and then SABER who OWNS CALIBURN fired it.

And that was Dark Berserker, who is actually weaker than normal Berserker.

>No. Shirou made Caliburn, and then SABER who OWNS CALIBURN fired it.
Would it really make -that- much of a difference? The sword is still a copy and I always assumed that Archer might not've been able to kill Berserker 7 times with one shot, but he should still be able to kill him at least 3 or 4 times in the same attack with Caliburn?

>And that was Dark Berserker, who is actually weaker than normal Berserker.
Oh right, forgot that Dark Berserker is weaker

>>2582931

>Would it really make -that- much of a difference? The sword is still a copy and I always assumed that Archer might not've been able to kill Berserker 7 times with one shot, but he should still be able to kill him at least 3 or 4 times in the same attack with Caliburn?

If he could hit him with it.

Remember, (according to the anime,) Berserker was hammering Archer the entire time, and all he really managed was Kanshou and Bakuya Overedge before going full UBW.

... Who says Archer ever saw Caliburn anyway?

>>2582952
Archer is Shirou. His UBW contains every sword Shirou has ever seen, and every sword Shirou ever will see until he dies and becomes the heroic spirit.

>>2583083
Wait, so where do the yin-yang short swords come from?

>>2583083

No, he only knows the swords Shirou-who-becomes-Archer knows.
The Shirous who do not become Archer don't enter his database.
Fate Shirou has a 10% chance of becoming Archer.

>>2582931

Archer can only create it, if he fire it would've meant his death.

>>2583109

His sword is from a chinese legend...and it really isn't named Kanshou&Bakuya in the original one(go see wiki)

>>2582827

She didn't choose her Servant,duh. Berserker is forced down on her by her family.

>>2583192

>His sword is from a chinese legend...and it really isn't named Kanshou&Bakuya in the original one(go see wiki)

What he's asking is where Gian Jang and Mo Ye came from.

Shirou only saw them because Archer had them.

>>2583198
TIME PARADOX

Counter guardian live outside the kaleidoscope I imagine so every Archer that ever lived is connected plus every Archer ever summoned accumulates expierience so hes probably killed a few Dark Sabers in his time, that or been beaten to a bloody pulp WHICH DOESN'T EVEN MATTER.

>>2583236

Counter Guardian EMIYA is much, MUCH stronger than Servant Archer.

Also, he's apparently fought Angra Mainyu (and 'read the book in his library' describing said battle). The true one from HF.

>>2583242
When did it say that? Or was that also HF?

>>2583242
Counter Guardian EMIYA only has a limitless source of prana. He still has sub-par stats and the same output, bro. He has an edge in endurance, that's it.

Shame on you if you think Archer is the best the counter force has at it's disposal. Archer is strong in his own right, but he never was, is, or ever going to be the strongest.

>Also, he's apparently fought Angra Mainyu
It's pretty much a given that Counter Guardians fight Angra Mainyu. It's their job to clean up after humanity makes a mess of things.

>>2583280

They assume that he has done so when he mentioned to himself that "Maybe I would be able to stop it before it happens this time" (Which, ironically, proved out to be futile due to his other self's intervention.)

>>2582502

i lol'd hard

Why does Archer's UBW has gears in the sky, while shirou is a clear sky?

>>2582502

i lol'd hard

>>2583357

Is that a serious question ?

Y : The gear represents his waning soul,being reduced from idealistic superhero into nothing more than the world's killing machine. Or it could represent his role and magic as a creator who forged numerous blades.

N : Who gives the fuck ? It's clearly more awesome than that faggot Shirou's UBW.

Well, if EMIYA has limitless prana, shouldn't he be able to trace two excaliburs and dual-beamspam the shit out of everyone?

>Servant : Emiya Shirou
>Master : Emiya Shirou

Fixed.

>>2583288
Archer as a guardian has the same backup that Arcueid has. It doesn't just give him more mana. It makes him severely more overpowered than just that. Gives him just enough raw output to be just at or below what he needs to do, so he can annihilate what needs to be destroyed without too much bleed out of raw power.

>>2585533

'sup white ren

already awake to fulfill your faggotry roll here I see.

>>2582447
So did Archer only take 6 of Berserker's lives because he remembered that when he was Shirou, Archer only took 6 of Berserker's lives? He says "I'll just take 2 more, then be on my way" so does that mean he's just fulfilling his history and could have done more or even won if he wanted to go against it?

So did Archer only take 6 of Berserker's lives because he remembered that when he was Shirou, Archer only took 6 of Berserker's lives? He says "I'll just take 2 more, then be on my way" so does that mean he's just fulfilling his history and could have done more or even won if he wanted to go against it?

>>2582447
>contract him...by force
Wait, she wants Shirou to rape him?

>>2585667
I love you, too.

When /jp/ talks about this shit, feels like /a/ with their One Piece chats.

>>2582500
A bit late for a reply, but don't forget something: if Kotomine would have allowed Lancer to go full out, Archer would have Gae-fucking-Bolg'd. Remember the whole "can pierce your heart 7 times without replenishing"? Yeah.

Just wondering where are these screens from?

>>2586292

If ARCHER was actually going all out, Lancer would have to dodge an unlimited amount of swords.

>>2585934
I hope you aren't one of those faggots spamming OP threads.

>>2582521
>No, in standard combat. Archer couldn't even react fast enough to beat Saber in their first meeting.
The reason of that was hinted like a dozen times. It seems that Saber was the first thing that he remembered from his youth, he was shocked and, therefore, unable to react.

>>2582758
>That being said, how was 4th Berserker able to use his NP and the 5th can not ?? IIRC we got told that it was due to Mad Enhancement, but the 4th Berserker got put under it as well
* Eternal Arms Mastership

Rank: A+
Mastership of the combat arts that had reached the point of being without peer during a given era. By complete unification of heart, technique, and body, one can make use of one's full fighting ability even if under the effects of any kind of mental restriction.

>>2586458
This is what Archer fanboys actually believe.

Lancer blocks all projectile attacks, Archer runs out of prana.

>>2586560
EMIYA probably has more technical mastery in using swords than even Saber does, but Saber has something better: raw power.

Technique is just a replacement for being weaker.

And Saber's precognitive defensive capabilities would be matched against Archer's ungodly battle assessments and tactics.

Also, play F/HA.

>>2586458
Activating Gae Bolg is faster than chanting UBW. Archer would have his heart pierced 7 times before he finishes the chant.

Who was Archer in EMIYA's timeline?

>>2586603

>Lancer blocks all projectile attacks

>Yeah, Rank D Projectile Defense will completely stop the Heroic Spirit of Projectiles in his tracks.

>>2586616

Rain of Swords just needs an "I am the bone of my sword" to activate. I didn't say he was activating UBW.

>>2586612
>play F/HA.
I'd love to, believe me.

I heard that a certain Heroic Spirit appears and gets his ass kicked, without even having time of using all his techniques, is that true?
Then again, I also heard that Saber was killed by Bazzet and we all know that is impossible, considering that she can't hold a servant off if that servant knows her battle technique already.

>>2586635
Some random arrow hero i'd assume. Probably Robin hood.

>>2586636
Protection against arrows: B

Defense against projectile weapons. As long as one keeps the shooter in it's vision, one can perceive and defend against any projectile weapon.

>>2586651
Doesn't work when the "arrows" rain down from above. With Lancer's brilliant E luck rating, he's a sucker for that kind of thing, essentially thinking "OH HE IS THE ARCHER, WHERE IS HIS BOW?", then a million swords fall from the air while he's looking directly at Archer.

>>2586638

Fragarach, motherfucker.

>>2586636
Still enough to use at least one Gae Bolg. Plus Lancer has Battle Continuation, which means that Rain of Swords wont kill him.

>>2586677
Battle Continuation means that he can probably still keep going after a multiple wounds, and potentially after a mortal one, provided it's not immediate. That's how he survived a stab to the heart long enough to stick his massive member into Kotomine.

You're thinking about Restart, which lets him recover from ill placement by getting out of range, resetting the fight to as it began regarding skills. That won't protect him from being skewered by an ongoing attack.

Or did you delete/change your post, because now it says something different? It said "hit" at first.

Don't forget, Archer can also trace Rule Breaker.

>>2586712
That always made me wonder. What if he stabbed himself with it?

>>2586726
Massive plothax that would make us all pull our hair out and make Nasu giggle.

>>2586729
Better yet, why doesn't he assume a Kiritsugu-like strategy from the 4th and go around firing modified Rule Breakers from his bow just like he did with Caladbolg II?

>>2586700
Didn't do anything man.
Now, more fun of a scenario: Zero Lancer vs. F/SN Archer.

>>2586774

Fuck.
Does Gae Dearg cancel out Projected weapons?

... Does Gae Dearg work all over and not just the speartip?

If both yes, 4th Lancer just has to helicopter Gae Dearg until he's close enough to Buidhe him in the face.

>>2586774
Gae Dearg should seal fucking ANYTHING. He sealed Caster NP, so why should Archer be an exception?

>>2582521

Late reply is late, I thought you were referring to Shirou, not Saber. As far as the whole not able to react to Saber scene, Saber and Shirou talk about how odd it was for Archer to not react (due to him remembering/seeing Saber again). Still, I'd agree the fight is in Saber's advantage unless Archer spammed that one weapon listed that has an affinity to dealing extra damage to dragons.

>>2586774
>>2586804
>>2586821

What happens if he uses UBW then Diarmuid taps the ground with Gae Dearg?

On a side note, why, on wikipedia, is all the Fate character stuff being deleted?

All of them are marked AfD redirect, but the page redirected to has no useful information.

>>2586841
Shit get baleeted.

>>2586851
Wiki faggotry. God, I miss character articles.

>>2586870
I'm tempted to undo all the changes.

>>2586821
But would Gae Daerg disable a NP fired as a broken phantasm? I figure it would still explode on his face.

>>2586884
Don't we have a type-moon wikia anyway?

>>2586851
Some user named Kung Fu Man thought they're too "game guide-y", and nominated all of them for deletion.

>>2586884
Someone really should fix this gayness.

>>2586886
Didn't think of the splash damage.

>>2586841

I want to say no. UBW, not just being a Reality Marble, IS Shirou's and Archer's source of magic. Unless Gae Dearg can seal any type of magic, it'd just be a really strong spear against them.

>>2586897
It doesn't include a lot of stuff that was on the regular English wiki, AMAZINGLY ENOUGH.

What the hell is up with wikipedia? Their deletion discussions make them out to be a bunch of total NAZIs.

>>2586828
If I remember correctly, Aroundnight (Arondnight) is stronger against dragon-types.
>>2586670
The same guy who told me of those rumors said that Bazzett NP needs to be used when another strong magic is used (per example, let's say, EXSCALEBURN) or it would be useless.
Her battle method is to corner her opponents with his serpent martial art and force them to use strong magic, which is countered as stated before.
However, how did she could force Saber to use Excalibur? She fought with Caster's master already, so she should know how to dodge and counter attack.

>>2586911
F/Z Lancer did seal Caster off for a while, so, maybe it really can seal a Reality Marble.

>>2586927
Caster used a tome which was a Noble Phantasm and a true magical item. Reality Marbles function under a completely different means of working. They're internal worlds with rule sets that are different from the real one that everyone lives in.

As far as Gae Bolg working, it is, in melee mode, capable of bypassing anything that doesn't alter causation itself or make the target intangible. When activated, you're already pierced by it. It doesn't matter from what direction. It'll just twitch reality into it sprouting out of your heart, whatever is necessary to prove that it has already happened.

>>2586927
Lancer sealed his NP, thus disabling his Saya summoning rituals. Who cares whatever magic he might still have, nothing will be as useful or awesome as that so he might as well surrender and become grail food.

>>2586968

But UBW is not a Noble Phantasm. To suggest that it is that is like saying Gundr is Rin's Noble Phantasm.

>>2586996
Never said it was, merely hinted that Lancer sealed Caster's NP, not Caster itself.


Now on a side note.
Did Shirou ever properly trained himself in Reinforcement before he became EMIYA? If so, shouldn't he be able to create equal or superior NPs to the originals with it, or is using it simply too much of a strain on him? Or even fire them off in a reinforced broken format for an even more overpowering usage? [Provided he can use it properly at all]

And while we're at it, why did he never enhance his capability to understand and see the concept of weapons on sight to be able of creating Avalon-like perfect quality copies? Providing he did, would it be perfect enough to fool the world into believing they were real? While so, if doing so would make two of them exist at the same time, would the world smite both out of existence, smite the "fake" or be confused and smite the real one?

Why are we even having this discussion? Didn't Lancer defeat Archer before in UBW?

>>2587089

As far as creating perfect replicas, Shirou is only able to do so with Avalon as it was within him for a good part of his life. I'd guess he'd have to be similarly acquainted with other NP to use them at their full potential.

>>2587202

Eh, Lancer was trying to kill Archer to get by him and help Rin and Shirou; Archer was just stalling.

>>2587202

That wasn't all-out Archer nor Lancer working optimally.

Lancer was using his might as a hero and kabloomed Gae Bolg ~Death's Flight~, when 7x Gae Bolg ~Death's Thorns~ is probably a superior tactic.

>>2587468
Was it ever mentioned if that Avalon was deemed as real by the World or was it still considered a fake and therefore kept eroding itself until finally smited?

I do know he was only able to create that perfect Avalon after digesting Avalon since his childhood, but is there an actual mystic eye type that could enhance his understanding of matter, both conceptual and not? If there is, what stopped him from acquiring such a feat or training himself to such a point before he became EMIYA?

I guess I'm just wandering off here trying to see perfect accepted by the World replicas with stats far superior to those of their originals, with or without broken/reinforcement status, or both.


Still, considering Counter-Guardians can be employed at any time in the space-continuum and technically retain their experience in a different format from Records of Akasha, what's also stopping EMIYA from acquiring the Black Barrel?

>>2587202

That was a draw in every sense of the word. Archer used up all of his avalible mana given to him by Caster to defend against the real attack of the Gae Bolg. And Lancer did the very same in his attack.

It is arguable though that if Archer just struck first he could have easily prevented that from happening though. And another thing to note is that Lancer was aiming for the kill,Archer was just horsing around,waiting for his moment to go "KEIKAKU DOORI".


You know what an easier way to solve these match ups is? Play Fate Unlimited Codes,find a good Archer player and enjoy your endless "So as I pray,Unlimited Blade Works" deaths no matter who you use.

>>2583436
>>2583357
What about this version (from Realta Nua's extra CGs)

does EMIYA still have Avalon in him as Archer?

>>2587509

>perfect accepted by the World replicas

That's an application of the First Sorcery. Projection by itself won't be accepted by the world.

>stats far superior to those of their originals, with or without broken/reinforcement status

Reinforcing a Noble Phantasm doesn't work. Reinforcing has nothing to do with ranks, and if you buff one rank it goes Broken Phantasm.

>what's also stopping EMIYA from acquiring the Black Barrel?

The fact that he'll die if he touches it. Nothing with magic inside it can make contact with Black Barrel.

>>2587509
A perfect "replica" of something would be created in the same process, using the same materials, with the same actions, with the same conditions, with the same advancement through time, etc.

Which is why everything is a replica. You can't recreate the absolute conditions of the original. Everything it experienced. Everything which comprised its existence. Anything made like it will be a copy. The original is always the original.

Shirou gets everything as best he can, which makes it a supreme replica. But he can't make the original, not even if you grow it in him like he's prime farming soil. No matter what you do, you can't create another weapon which is exactly like the original in every respect.

>>2587585
>That's an application of the First Sorcery. Projection by itself won't be accepted by the world.
Could it be that Shirou is a descendant from the user(s) of the First Sorcery? Only that he wasn't able to properly channel it due to not having adequate training or having degenerated over the ages?
Just like Rin is a descendant of Zelretch and such.

>Reinforcing a Noble Phantasm doesn't work. Reinforcing has nothing to do with ranks, and if you buff one rank it goes Broken Phantasm.
Hmm, always figured you could enhance the NP, not exactly tamper the rank, but make it stronger in certain aspects nonetheless. Thanks for clearing that up.

>The fact that he'll die if he touches it. Nothing with magic inside it can make contact with Black Barrel.
So only regular humans with no circuits are able to touch the barrel? But doesn't Sion have circuits to begin with and use a replica of the Barrel? What's stopping EMIYA from creating his own just like he did with Caladbolg?

>>2587661
Her replica isn't nearly at the same effectiveness as the real Black Barrel.

>>2587660
I tried to make it sound as an 'original replica' due only to the fact that the world smites them out of existence otherwise, maybe I mispronounced myself.

>he's prime farming soil.
Why oh why, did I read that as Shirou's being Primate Murder's farming soil?

>>2587661

>Could it be that Shirou is a descendant from the user(s) of the First Sorcery?

That's bonkers, but hey. Make a doujin out of it.

>So only regular humans with no circuits are able to touch the barrel?

I'd imagine you can touch it if you have circuits, just you cannot have magical energy flowing in you.

>But doesn't Sion have circuits to begin with and use a replica of the Barrel?

Black Barrel Replica is NOT made out of the Fifth True Element, and does not kill magic. It replicates the 'concept' imbued in Black Barrel, that being 'teaching death to the undying'.

>What's stopping EMIYA from creating his own just like he did with Caladbolg?

We don't even know how the balls he made Caladbolg II anyway.

>>2587672
But maybe by studying both he could create one with all the perks of the original barrel without having it's "anything with magic touching this dies".

>>2587690
>We don't even know how the balls he made Caladbolg II anyway.

He went on "Pimp my Sword."

And Archer can't make Rule Breaker Missiles for the same reason that Rider can't use her Mystic Eyes in the Fate path. She'd cause a plot paradox.

>>2587706
It would be a seriously fun concept to have in a Dead End route, if you can be Kiritsugu, why not abuse the world's logic while you're at it?

>Fuyuki City: The Day The Sky Rained Rule Breaker Missiles.
Dead End after discovering Rule Breaker and UBW as Shirou, or a simply winning the war on day one a few minutes after being summoned by Rin as Archer.

>>2587706
>>2587728

He can't fire Rule Breaker missiles because that'd be breaking the rules

>>2587747

Too bad Archer can't project money.

>>2587757

I think he might be able to if he tried... But then again it would be easier and more enjoyable to just wring out some of his semen and sell it.

>>2587757
Who says he can't project things with monetary value though?
If he can understand the concept of electronic devices easily, he could also replicate money copying machines.

Besides, who needs money when you can build everything you need, even pave your own path.

>>2587546

This version belong to (older) Fate Shirou.

Who's pretty much 75% Archer, except that he didn't compromise his ideals and dreams, even in the face of similar tragedy that befell Archer when he was alive.

>>2587785
>Shirou's Scam Services.
Selling you perfect undistinguished replicas of famous artifacts for affordable/insane prices only to find out they vanish out of existence a few hours later.

>>2587785

Isn't Shirou's projections for anything other than weaponry in general just 'hollow' in the inside?

>>2587785
see
>>2587827

And it also disappears really, really quickly, while also lacking the proper weight of the object. So it wouldn't work with automated machines which accept coins, since they function based on shape and weight.

>>2587690 We don't even know how the balls he made Caladbolg II anyway.

That's easy. Just take Caladbolg, convert it into a Broken Phantasm, and fire it like an arrow.

>>2587856
>And it also disappears really, really quickly
Wasn't Rin shocked at the crap ton of projected stuff laying around Shirou's shed?

>>2587856
For that all he had to do was trace a key for the keyhole.

Shirou should have been a thief instead.

>>2587871
>projected stuff
But those were reinforced then repaired manually.

>>2587863
He also changed its shape and such.

>>2587884
Was it?
It's been a while, thought when questioned he said something like "Reinforcing is tiring, so I project things like that to take a break."

I'm tempted to go through F/SN again but...freaking wall of text...

>>2587917

My, you sure are energetic today white Ren.

Surely your NEET life has something much more better to do than just sitting around in here all day ?