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Hockey Players
Wolverine (He's Canadian)

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Milk in bags

Escape from New York > Escape from Canada > Escape from LA

And I think your best source of infomation would be Kurai/Ponpo-kun (she is Canadian).

Where can I download the 3 other VN?

This is retarded even by mugenjohncel/Lemmasoft standards. Nice tags, faggot.

Huh, the archive supports BBCode.

>>2549343

Escape from LA was awesome. Shut your mouth.

>Laguna
>Alabang

That's more like escape from Philippines

>>2549344
Here...

http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?p=61986#p61986

The story where tentacle monster made first appearance is hidden in the extras... so you must unlock it first.

>>2549370
Thanks OP

>>2549370
Sorry, the link is just for the third VN...

Shameless bump...

Suggestions anyone?

...I guess no Canadians currently browsing /jp/

>>2549364

I think you would be set with only 15 USD in the Philippines, though.

>>2549408
Freezing cold. Depends where you set it.

>...I guess no Canadians currently browsing /jp/
This is very uninteresting, so no one is bothering to respond. Crazy man thinks his sword is alive and has intercourse with it is a much better idea.

>>2549421
The original story had only US$2.00

That leaves us with roughly 2.44 Canadian bucks minus currency conversion fees = not even enough to buy a candy...

>>2549423

But Canada is very uninteresting as well.

This is a very authentic VN.

>>2549423
Northern Saskatawan

I do not know much about Canada so I am now seeking advice/info on what special obstacles/circumstances a Tentacle Monster accompanied by a 14 year old girl might encounter while in Canada...

>>2549408
I am Canadian but I am afraid I am too lazy to answer these questions.

Canada > USA

or at least, Canadians are more polite than americans.

>>2549440
A challange indeed... but I'm quite sure there are interesting things in Canada which I could integrate with my story...

>>2549452
Canada is pretty much the same shit besides minor cultural difference and the amount of arrogance.

>>2549460
What about Mounties... are they really the most rugged police force in the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine

"Poutine is a Canadian food staple sold mostly in Quebec."

I think Canadian people eat this a lot. Like for breakfast too. Seems pretty strange and gross!

Hey ZUN, why are you fine with Mugen but not KS?

>>2549520

He's a clown. Don't take him seriously.

can't help you op. we're pretty nice, don't have guns, and there are no black people outside of toronto; you'll be able to find your way to the border easily.

the only obstacle are the americans working as canada-to-us border guards, those guys are fucking pricks.

>>2549520
Because it's only edgy to be against self advertising faggots when nobody else is.

>>2549536
>>2549540
Samefag

You won't have problems in Canada. Problem starts at the border.

>>2549539
This is more difficult than I have ever imagined... the only reference for Canada I have is this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIrmPEyt0Nc

>>2549520
Pretty simple explanation.
Imagine a gajinge getting spammed like it is the best VN ever in your peaceful and quiet imageboard. Of course everyone will hate it. Thank god the spam have died down and normal service is resume.

>>2549555

>Samefag

Not true.

>>2549536
>>2549540
>>2549572
>samefag

>>2549587

Actually it's just >>2549572 >>2549536 that are the "samefag"

>>2549520

Mugen-kun is honest about his games. And you don't see him pretending that his games are the greatest OEL VNs ever like the KS team. Personally, that's something that I can respect.

The KS team can sure talk the talk and make 200 KS threads on 4chan over the past 2 years. But it turns out that they can't walk the walk when you compare their game to the few other decent OEL VNs which have come out in that same time frame.

Do note that I'm not comparing KS and Mugen's games though. They're completely different in their purpose.

>>2549601

>greatest OEL VNs ever

That's not really a hard title to take.

Pot and tons of it...

>>2549601
>And you don't see him pretending that his games are the greatest OEL VNs ever like the KS team.
But they outright said they don't think their VN is that great...

Also, please label those other OELVNs. I'd actually like to play them, as I don't really know of any others.

>>2549615
In Canada!?... (Saved... pot can be used in virtually any plot)

Thanks!... anymore interesting things in Canada?

>>2549601
You're a terrible troll.

>>2549621

Were big on sugar/sweets maple syrup beaver tales you name it.

Most Canadians share liberal views idk if you could tie that into the game.

Were big on the outdoors also camping and outdoor sports are huge.

>>2549641

And "your" small on proper grammar, I see.

>>2549641
>Were big on the outdoors also camping and outdoor sports are huge.

This should pose good obstacle for Tentacle Monster to remain hidden... Thanks!

>>2549617
I hate gay!bar as much as the rest of you but he is kind of right about KS. Maybe it wasn't spammed by the dev Team but the fandom of the games are definitely very supportive and over defensive about the game.

You gotta be a very die hard fanboys to think that KS BGMs are better than TM and Key stuff.

>>2549506

as much as I would love to have poutine for breakfast every day, that would actually be a terrible idea. the stuff sits in your stomach like a cinder block and really saps away any will to do anything, other than sit down and be content with the delicious poutine you just consumed.

the more eccentric variants, like donaire-poutine, would be like twice as worse. and also twice as delicious.

>>2549621
pot's pretty ubiquitous here in canada. I've known people to be so bold as to light up right in front of cops.

on the whole, though, canada's pretty boring. I guess that explains the weed.

>>2549650

>to think that KS BGMs are better than TM and Key stuff.

That was just one guy, though. Probably the guy who made said BGMs, too.

>>2549650
>OEL VNs
ZUN is not saying there are better VNs than KS (which is, of course, true), but that there are better *Western* VNs than KS. That is a very odd statement to make.

I agree the fanbase for KS is sometimes kind of annoying.

>to think that KS BGMs are better than TM and Key stuff.

That's not saying much. They certainly weren't any worse.

>>2549663

I already told you that wasn't funny.

>>2549650
KS's composer is still better than gay!bar though.
That must be why he is so mad.

there is no way i would imagine myself playing this excellently-crafted masterpiece

You really need to get a better artist.

OK... more background detail on the story...

Tentacle Monster was fighting Maid Moe Cyborg Rommel. Rommel, trashed and badly beaten decided to blow up herself. Everyone was blown away. Tentacle Monster was blown to Canada together with little girl Joel. Having made a previous vow not to rape little girls and be a good Tentacle Monster... he now decided to bring Joel back safely to US. Unfortunatelly for Tentacle Monster, Rommel survived and is now hunting Tentacle Monster together with the Bureau of Paranormal of things and stuff...

I already have ending and beginning but still have to fill in 15 days they spend on Cancadian soil.

Picture is from previous game...

...and Cyborg rommel herself

>>2549715
Your art has improved since then, but you still need a better artist.

>>2549714
He is the artist.

>>2549715
Please have a system where I can go for the evil or good route.
I like to be an evil tentacle monsters that go around raping everyone instead of becoming a moralfag.

>>2549721
What the fuck is a wrench doing in there?

>>2549744
Mechanic left it inside, that's why she died. Her family is going to sue for malpractice.

>>2549443
> Northern Saskatchewan
loooool Enjoy your cold.
But yeah, summer time I hope? The Canadian prairies only have two seasons - Winter, and not winter.

I'll never understand why people get butthurt when KS's bgm is compared to the archetypal amateur composing of Key and TM games. It's even worse when they take it step farther and start defending the later as "professional". Being ambient eroge music, neither make much of an effort to go past generic New Age or pop progressions. It's like arguing there's a monumental difference between the Sex Pistols and the Ramones, when neither has ever written a song with more than three chords. It's not like we're comparing with an ost that's actually not bullshit, like Umineko or Sekien no Inganock.

I'm thinking you go with extremely blatant Canadian stereotypes and make the 15 days getting to the border lulzy.

At least 7 of these days should be spent high. Only way you could survive how boring it'll be.

This is coming from a Canadian.

>>2549774
You hardly even notice the BGM in KS, Key or TM. When you do, it's usually annoying. Like the Jaws-like music in Katawa Shoujo, or most of the action music in Fate/stay night

From a west coaster, I'd say you're going to run into a lot of asian weeaboos. Or have some interesting scenarios in Chinatown. Or have an assault of canadians screaming EH? at you.

>>2549786
Though still not sure if I'm gonna put this in the final VN... they will be constantly bumping with the same Angry Moose throughout the journey.

>>2549774
Careful, you're arguing with people who think Yoko Kanno is a minimalist.

>>2549774

The ONE OST actually isn't a piece of crap unlike the rest of Key's music and all of the TM stuff.

And yes, it's nothing when you compare it to a OST like Umineko where you got seasoned console game pros like Yoshitaka Hirota contributing songs, but ONE's music is still a million times better than the music in KS.

>>2549845

>unlike the rest of Key's music

Oh, shut up, Zun.

>How would you do it?
Ask questions politely and be friendly. Talk about hokey, poutine, and beaver tails whenever possible.
>What obstacles you might encounter?
Winter. Drunken hockey fans. Liberals (in Ontario). Gun control laws. Snowmobiles. Rocks and trees and trees and rocks. Average bluecollar autofactory workers (in Ontario). Aggressive Canadian Geese.

Getting even slightly injured is fatal, as everyone will politely suggest that you go to a hospital for free treatment. If you go, then you'll be stuck in a waiting line for eternity. If you don't, then you'll be harassed in a friendly manner by people until the tentacle monster catches up.

>>2549845
Is there a OST floating somewhere for that, or do I have to unlock the music in the game if I want to listen?

>>2549865
Getting lost in forests. Getting mauled by bears. Getting bitten to death by blackflies, horseflies, and mosquitoes. Canoes. A disconcertingly friendly atmosphere. A severe lack of earthquakes causing the character to sometimes lose balance spontaneously.

>>2549865
Saved... Thanks...

>Average bluecollar autofactory workers (in Ontario)
Could you please kindly point me to an online article regarding this... I wanted to research about it a bit...

>>2549874
>Could you please kindly point me to an online article regarding this... I wanted to research about it a bit...
Unfortunately, they're currently going extinct, which means lots of them will, in fact, be drunken hobos, ready to attack the main character at any moment.

Our natives are also drunken meth heads

The amount of data I have collected so far will be more than sufficient for maybe... 5 to 7 days while in Canadian soil...

Here's my current rough breakdown of the story...

65% Making fun of Canadian stereotypes
20% Interaction with Little Girl
10% Actual Story
5% ??????

THE GLORY OF THE CANADIAN EMPIRE WILL NOT BE DIMINISHED

Put that in there, some good ole fashioned nationalism.

>>2549845
>unlike the rest of Key's music

Fuck you.

So let me get this straight.

Team actually makes game, people make threads:
ZUN assumes it's all marketing by said team and never ceases to rage about it.

Tripfag talks about his non-game, obviously using his very own tripcode for ALL said threads:
ZUN thinks it's cool.

>>2549923

That pretty much sums it up.

One question... is it ok to depict the canadian flag used by a naked british tourist as a towel... in some countries, flags being used in other creative ways other than it's original purpose is considered highly offending...

>>2549923
>>2549929
>samefag

>>2549937

Yea its fine, we have no laws against flag burning

>>2549937
I wouldn't care, myself. Maybe if you got into the more redneck-ish parts of Canada.

>>2549923
You may not know it or refuse to acknowledge but mugen-kun here is an accomplished game maker with several games under his belt. I believe he also made that "shoot the touhou" flash game and contributed in countless others.

I kinda like his cool attitude and high tolerance. Imagine Dan Kim only way less faggier.

You on the other hand is nothing but a lowly sagefag. Who can't contribute a darn thing on society.

>>2549967

Maybe he is angry that someone is criticizing KS but praising the other gaijin VN. Jealousy maybe?

>>2549967
>Imagine Dan Kim only way less faggier.
>doesn't know how sage works

>>2549943
>>2549953
British using Canadian Flag as towel... Check!

Thanks guys.

>>2549967
I only contributed on graphics... a friend programmed it for me... briefly hosted, it was full of bugs so we took it down.

>>2549967
>darn
dOHOHOH

>>2549812
Transcribed any Kanno music yet? Lots of cutting and pasting the same phrases with minor variations, right?

And once again, this isn't an insult towards her. Kanno's music isn't complex, but she is one of the most organized composers you will ever encounter. Yes, there is more to music than a billion notes, key changes, or tempo changes in one measure. It's all pointless when you lack proper organization anyways. This is admittedly one of the more difficult things to grasp when it comes to the music making thing.

I mean, just listen to the KS music. It's a nice amateur attempt, and it's actually mixed/mastered surprisingly decently. But aside from that it's the usual OEL VN music that's poorly organized. Also even some notes clash, then they just go out of key, and then the percussion makes no sense and now it's like I'm listening to the music I made 11 years ago when I was 14 years old.

How can you even compare the KS music to other games where the composers aren't even making these usual amateur mistakes?

>>2549993
>How can you even compare the KS music to other games
Because we enjoy the music as much as we enjoyed the music of other VN/eroges. Most people don't analyze the fuck out of music, and simply enjoy it for what it is.

>>2549923

I've probably posted in less than 10 Mugen threads during /jp/'s life so far.

I've never missed a single KS thread. And I have probably posted in nearly a hundred of those. And I'm not even counting the ones made as a result of the demo's release. So yeah, Mugen is cool for now. I have never, ever had a problem with people posting their own original content on /jp/.

Just please don't go overboard and start posting your blog entries about your game and links to your analysis on moe appeals and Toradora! like the KS devs. Don't wanna hear your IRC drama either.

>>2550029
>I've never missed a single KS thread. And I have probably posted in nearly a hundred of those.

Zun, do you know what the word 'tsundere' means?

>>2550039
it's been established that zun secretly likes this game. i for one, however, believe his dislike for the development staff and general fanbase is sincere.

Gaybar is just butthurt because he's never accomplished anything in life.

>>2550064
That makes sense. Participating in 'all' the threads implies one or more of three things:

1. He is on fire with obsessive, unquenchable rage for the product.

2. He's riding KS's wave of interest in order to gain more notoriety as a tripfag.

3. The game interests him quite a bit, but various factors keep him from admitting he likes it, causing him to complain about those factors in every thread concerning the game.

Number one seems unlikely because his posts seem, for the most part, devoid of cool or hot rage. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, we'll just absolve him of number two and arrive at number three, which seems to more or less fit his attitude up to this point.

>>2550078
...this is /jp/
NONE of us have.

OK, one last word...

To those who have contributed thank you for the info... I have once again aquired additional info about Canada...

>>2549993
Honestly, I don't know where to start. For one thing, as an actual musician, I don't need to transcribe pieces to detect how complex they are. Even with just one listen I can detect things like modal melodies, chord progressions, etc. You should be able to do this too.

Minimalism, for the most part, is characterized by pieces that have simple harmonic structure (like say, simple melody with basic triads arpeggiated in the bass) and simple progression with only a few types of chords in one key. Kanno is the exact opposite of this and, being one who enjoys emulating impressionistic and jazz styles, is about as harmonically complex as it gets when it comes to soundtrack music. Many Japanese composers cite Debussy and Ravel, but she's the only one that goes out of her way to imitate them. For example, listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQhbhVy-28, and you distinctly hear the influence from Ravel's string quartet in F. This is one minute and thirty seconds, yet goes more places than most music you probably listen to by using a large set of chords of different type and quality and complex harmonic structure. Complexity isn't a matter of tempo changes, key changes, and a "billion notes", even if these things contribute. Complexity of a piece is determined by it's ability to go many different places in its progression, while remaining within the confines of tonality and meter. Until such a thing is realized, the difference between the great romantic composers and say, Dragonforce, will be completely foreign to you. Or if you think this emulation is too direct to demonstrate Kanno's ability, listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qnZwoI4ajo.. To anyone who actually knows anything about music, the difference between these and minimalist style of composing is so devastating that it's physically painful. I don't even know why I typed this when it was so goddam obvious.

>>2550091

I just really love indie/doujin games (either Japanese or Western). It doesn't matter if they're (in my opinion) good or bad games; I'll still participate in their threads. You know, sorta like this one. That's all really.

Like the other Anon said, I'm just the usual /jp/er who never accomplished anything in life, but I'm stilll passionate (obsessed) about all video games, anime, and music. Sometimes my passion comes out in too strongly or in the wrong ways, and I apologize if I have upset you or anyone here in the past.

I honestly only come here for the 2D/geek content. If I actually cared about trolling anymore, then I'd get rid of the trip and go back to being Anon. Hell I'd even stay on a different board where trolling is like shooting fish in a barrel (modern /a/). If I wanted "notoriety" I'd go whore up some game/music forum. My trip is a nothing more than a tribute to some drunken Japanese guy who I am fond of.

Posting this gif again because it makes me happy to look at it.

>>2550168
Also, despite being simple and without particular direction, the KS music didn't contain any of the egregious errors in composition you describe. However, I doubt you even know what you mean when you describe these errors, considering your opinions on other matters.

>>2550096
But !bar actually has a sense of self-worth, so it matters to him.

This is a fucking awful idea and the art is ugly. Bumping so OP can realize what a mistake he's making by creating this piece of shit.

ALSO WHY IS HER NAME JOEL

>>2550171
>>2550168
Shit just got real.

>>2549323
That loli looks far too manly. I smell a trap.

>>2550168

That's a nice post about minimalism. Too bad I've never even described her music as that. I've completely ignored that word in my previous post because I have no idea where you got that from; I've never called her that.

And your part about transcribing honestly sets off another red flag. Just how artists draw from life to get better, musicians transcribe music and study it to get better. Yes, there are some things you can't hear until you sit down and analyze it note for note.

That Kanno song you linked is just so quick and easy to write down and reproduce note for note it's not even funny; it would take 30 minutes at tops. No, this does not mean that Kanno is a minimalistic composer. It doesn't mean that she is a lesser skilled composer either. Plenty of skilled composers create music in this manner.

Going to bed now, but this is a recent song for me that was a bitch and a half to transcribe. I'd say something like this is pretty complex. On a whole, this composer is much more complex than Kanno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMm1xRhKcPQ&fmt=18

I seriously can't believe the music people come up with sometimes.

>>2550251
>I have no idea where you got that from

I don't know, probably the many times you compared the simplicity of her composing style to Mitsuda, who does, in fact, describe his style as minimalistic. Although this doesn't really matter, as such things can be simply heard in his works. If you didn't hide behind transcription when debating your fellows on the internet, you would have noticed this.

>>2550277
>>2550272
>>2550251
You know, VN music really shouldn't be this serious; I myself have found the music to be extremely fitting for the various scenes, and have enjoyed it quite a bit. A few things stuck out a bit, but then again, such things then to happen in any VN for me.

Overall I'd say, just listening to the music, that it's pretty much up to par with most VNs, albeit a bit more simple in nature.

>>2550272
I don't think this piece is as complex as you think it is. Share the transcription when you're up and I'll analyze it for you.

>>2549791
hahaha owow

WTF is this thread anyway? Pig disgusting gajinge morons discussing how good and superior their gajin composer is?

hahaha owow