/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I don't think they can see WHY kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

>>2520440
What's a touhou?

YOU WANT TO FUCKING MESS WITH /jp/ POWERLEVELS?!

GUN GOD WIELDING BLACK BARREL > GENSOKYO IN ONE SHOT

Bring back their dead mothers.

Fascinating. Please keep me up to date with /co/ and stuff about /co/.

Some of them have trouble existing.

>>2520442
Supposedly it's because of the cinnamon swirls in every bite, but I don't really see the appeal.

Heh, that reminds me of /co/'s project Omniverse. Too bad that didn't come to fruition.

>>2520458
*Anon07 shot a fairy!*

*recieved graze points*

>>2520446 GUN GOD WIELDING BLACK BARREL
I don't even know what this is, so it doesn't count for shit.

>>2520501
What kind of piss-poor /jp/fag doesn't even know his Type-Moon?

You may as well go back to /co/ and ask them to explain Superman to you.

>>2520501

Angel Notes - Nasuverse's final story.

The world has died and humans have mutated. The last pure human is called Gun God, because of the rifle he wields, Black Barrel.
Black Barrel has two major qualities; the ability to kill immortals and the ability to destroy anything and everything magic.

Think Rule Breaker combined with Gae Dearg crossed with a hunting rifle and then make it so it can kill that which doesn't know how to die.

>>2520440

I kind of want to see this. link to thread.

>>2520515 What kind of piss-poor /jp/fag doesn't even know his Type-Moon?
Suckyhime and Fail/Boring Night. Yawn.

>>2520626

Gun God is in neither.

He's from Angel Notes.

>>2520636
I don't even know what that is, so it doesn't count for shit.

>>2520645

>I'm an idiot

Oh, I see.

Except that the shot from Black Barrel has to actually hit the target in order to work, which is very nice when the target can cover a planet but a fairy the size of your hand....

>>2520667
And Yukari can just open a portal and send the shot somewhere else. She could even make the black barrel shoot itself!

>>2520671

Gaps made of magic = GAP EXPLODES.

>>2520667

Gensokyo made of magic = GENSOKYO EXPLODES.

What's the name of the gun in Tsukihime 2?

>>2520676 Gaps made of magic = GAP EXPLODES.
>Gaps made of magic

lol? If you cut a hole in a piece of paper, is the hole made of paper?

>>2520458
I would let her nurse me, if you know what I mean.

>>2520440
hurt me, you know, fictiona and all

>>2520676
>Gaps made of magic
>Gensokyo made of magic
fuckingstupid.png

>>2520683
the hole is made out of the surrounding elements, you know those eyes in those gaps? magic

>>2520690

Fine, the BARRIER of Gensokyo is made of magic.

Fire a round into the sky, destroy Gensokyo anyway.

>>2520720
After that Suika punches Gun God into the sun. Thread over.

>>2520683
>>2520676

>>2520730

Godo moves Black Barrel to where it makes contact with Suika's fist.

Instantaneous KO, as Suika is a magical being.

>Power level
>Touhou
Does not compute.

>>2520741
Onis are not magical beings.

well we got certain someone who can also destroy anything and everything and it doesn't have to be magical and doesn't have to actually hit it in order to work...

>>2520772
ORT?

>>2520757

Youkai are all magical.
All of them.
Even the Kappas.

>>2520528
>Black Barrel has two major qualities; the ability to kill immortals and the ability to destroy anything and everything magic.

It has to hit its target in order to kill.
Touhous dodge bullets to pass time.

I don't see Black Barrel being terribly effective.

Dr. Manhattan ends up blowing all of them up.

Of course, he is an Ephebophile, and Gensokyo has a lot of young women so....

Oni ≠ Youkai

>>2520812

Actually, using it as a club works just fine.

Even touching the handle is lethal to anyone with magic in their bodies, which is why anyone but normal humans cannot wield it.

>>2520822

[citation needed]

>>2520835

A revolver is a pistol, but a pistol is not a revolver.
Same thing with oni and other youkai.

>>2520830
So you're assuming that a normal human like Gun God can successfully engage on a brawl with youkai and be fast enough to graze them with BB? Fascinating.

>>2520849

So...

Oni are youkai, but not all youkai are oni.
But all youkai are magic, so the point is moot.

Or if you're trying to mean reversed, all youkai are oni. WHAT THE FUCKBALLS?

>>2520864

Using it as a shield should work just as fine.
Mystia tries to claw Godo -> Godo guards with BB -> Mystia's dead.
Any danmaku bullets would dissipate on contact too.

>>2520888
Still assuming that Godo is fast enough to use it as a shield. Seriously, it has the shape of a fucking rifle not a giant shield that can cover all your sides.

>>2520888
You can only block one direction at a time with a shotgun; danmaku can come from all directions at once.

>>2520440
NO REMILIA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?
YOU KILLED THE GOOD GUYS! NOW THE EARTH IS FUCKED!

>>2520907

Twirl it.

Even the lightest tap is instantly effective, as it's fucking made of nega-magic.

>>2520909

Spin the gun and do some nominal dodging. Danmaku isn't typically very FAST, just very THICK.
Who says Gun God's playing on Lunatic anyway?

POWWEEEERRRRRRRRRLEVELSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>2520920
Now you're assuming that all youkai are dumb. Seriously, Gun God can be eaten by so many characters that it's not funny, call Slash Emperor.

>>2520942

>call Slash Emperor

HAXMONSTERS NOT ALLOWED

>>2520951
So let's pit GG against a bunch of HAXMONSTERS just because HAXWEAPON.

>>2520975

Nobody is as hax as Ado Edem.

>>2521003
Lying to yourself is not nice.

>>2520917
That's the point.

I see.

Yukari tricks this gun god guy into something, and makes him leave for some other place.

Or

Gaps interstellar objects into his face.

Or

Warns her friends to stay away from "That guy with the gun"

>>2520830
Again, graze. All bullets are considered anti-immortal anti-magic in the touhou universe. Hence one direct hit would cause instant death to any touhou. I don't think a single object would be harder to evade than a few thousand.

>>2521188

Well, Godo would probably enjoy Gensokyo so long as nobody tries to kill him.

Judging by his taking to V/V, at least.

>>2521193
I think you are taking the term lives too literally. They don't actually die when they get hit the same way the bombs aren't actually bombs.

>>2521193

>anti-immortal

Nah.

>Is there anything the touhous can't do?

Yes, actually...they can't carry semi-interesting storylines or personalities. Sage for this ridiculously bland fandom.

Sakuya stops time, pretty sure killing doll would rape GG

>>2521278
shut up

>>2521278

Stopping time--massive Bounded Field--Black Barrel collapses it.

If the Time Control Kiritsugu uses can be applied to Sakuya's.

>>2521290
Probably not.

Sakuya isn't a magician. Nor is she a magical creature.

She just, inexplicably, can manipulate space/time.

>>2521297

Well that doesn't translate well at all into the Nasuverse.

She'd be squished out of existence.

Logic error, do not cross the streams.

>>2521304
HAHAHA, OH WOW.

>>2520888 Any danmaku bullets would dissipate on contact too.
That's actually a very good point.

But, let's face it. If you're fighting more than one 'hou with that thing, you're screwed. If it's a gun, you can't guard two directions at once.

>>2521304
Are you fucking kidding?

The Nasuverse thrives on making exceptions to every rule.

>>2520917 Dr. Manhattan ... good guys
Dr. Manhattan is sociopathic mass-murderer The world is better off without him.

After all, the existence of Dr. Manhattan is what scared Russia into advancing their nuclear program anyway.

Superman is debatable, but somehow I feel like the world doesn't really need him either.

Hey, why is everyone talking as if it's Yukari is better than everyone isn't it Shinki > Yukari?

yukkuri shiteitte ne cirno!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72Wri1HuJI

>>2521370
oh no no, Yukari>Everyone.

>>2521370

Shinki's supreme power only resides in her personal world of Makai.

If she's outside it (SHE'S NEVER OUTSIDE IT) she's not world-shaper-tier.

>>2520920 Spin the gun
Oh hi there, I just stopped time. What was it you were planning to do with that gun? By the way, try deflecting these knives, they're not magic. Just knives.

Sakuya doesn't stop time she can't really effect the world she stopped at best she can leave things there where they would hit the target. If she could stop time her patters would be impossible and Danmaku is a pattern game the bullets are not lethal only 'lethal' person is Flandre because she's insane but at least she has the sense to not destroy another's 'eye.'

>>2521383
So she is strongest but only in Makai? But weren't all four heroines combined were not even able to take her down? Though, then again that was in Makai....

sage for HURR NASUVERSE VS TOUHOU POWERLEVELS

>>2521412

She was humoring them and whatnot.

She's literally God in Makai. It's her realm.

>>2521370
No.

>>2521193 All bullets are considered anti-immortal anti-magic in the touhou universe. Hence one direct hit would cause instant death to any touhou.
What? That's retarded. Player characters shoot the fuck out of the bosses and they don't die.

>>2521370
Isn't Touhou herself the most powerful? I mean, she's the main character who BEATS all the bosses, right?

>>2521428
Those are magic barriers you're shooting

Mr. Anti-magic Gun, meet Mr. Non-magic Big Fucking Rock.

>>2521459
So you're saying touhous all have shields?

Okay, that makes sense. Still, I don't think the magic bullets are "anti-immortal" or anything fancy like that.

I know it's supposed to be magic, but to me it always seemed like they'd cause physical damage, not magical damage. I mean the attacks can destroy THINGS, not just living creatures.

>>2521428
There not shooting real bullets the 'bullets' they shoot are different if they were real only someone with the speed of Youmu could dodge them. And Magic is also similar to Nasuverse world because Genksokyo was created because the alternate worlds stopped believing in Youkai. That's why they don't really have any technology there if they did that's pretty much denying their own selves only like two people know of technology and only one may know how to use it in Gensokyo.

Wait, anti-immortal bullets? What the hell does that mean? Immortality itself means unable to die. If you can kill them, then it's not really immortality.

fucking wpanese fatfuckfaggots master chief be owning your noob as shit little girls in skirts

>>2521594
Master Chief is a weakling, even on his own board.

>>2521563
immortality simply means living and not dying of natural consequence, immortality does not infer indestructibility or invulnerability

>>2521563
Gun God's bullets make immortals have the concept of death it means it gave them the ability to die. Though Types are so hax even if they die they apparently still live and come back as long as whatever the hell created them still exists.

>>2521607
Immortality means they can't die at all, no matter what. That's the definition taken off the dictionary itself. Yes, it doesn't exactly mean invincibility, but if you can kill them, then it's not really immortality. There's a big difference between 'tough' and 'immortal'. Actually, that Phoenix girl Fujiwara Mokou is immortal isn't she? There's an example.

>>2521606
True, Metroid would wipe the floor with him.

>>2520440
I'm a scientist, you want to have a go? I have a petawatt class laser, a supercomputer, and lots of other stuff at my hands! OH and btw bending space to create gaps should take incredibly epic amounts of energy like converting the mass of several jupiters to energy just to create a gap. Not to mention that manipulating this sort of energy near Earth might have drastic consequences.(IE things aren't always 100% efficient even with 1% energy dissipation for something like this you'd do quite a lot of damage.)

>>2521607
>>2521626
You're both wrong. Immortality means that the door leading to death is not existant to you. It doesn't mean it's locked, or sealed, it means it's NOT FUCKING THERE!

>>2521646
I think you're missing the point

>Yes, it doesn't exactly mean invincibility, but if you can kill them
You can actually kill immortals, it's just that the definition of immortality has been warped to include indestructibiliy and invulnerability. Let's take a look back when the concept was birthed, immortality was simply the mean to stave off death, as in living forever, it didn't mean the person could not be killed.

A classic example is the phoenix, a phoenix is said to never die because it reborns from it's own ashes after it burns itself to death, but a phoenix can be killed pre-maturely before it self-immolates or having it's ashes scattered.

Immortality is simply the opposite of mortality, you cannot die yes, but imagine if an immortal is not invulnerable and is turned into stone, stone itself has no life in the first place, the immortality trait will try to give life to something that cannot have life, paradox? Maybe, but the fact remains that rock can be considered as not living, not dead because for something to die it must have life first, this way still fits the definitions of immortals but effectively end their life.

>>2521705

Gun God vs. a large, falling rock. HEAVEN OR HELL.

I wonder if a rock can recieve the concept of death? Well, Shiki can kill rocks, so...

>>2521736
Even if it can he'd still have a rock's corpse falling on him.
Result? Crushed to death.

>>2521705
That makes no fucking sense at all! You can't kill an immortal! It's division by zero!
If they are immortal, you can't turn them into a rock in the first place BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FUCKING DIE

Stop denying the inevitable.
To be able to die=mortal
To not be able to die=immortal

A paradox cannot exist. It denies the very logic of reality. As for the Phoenix girl, she reborns from nothing. She doesn't need ashes to resurrect.

>>2521676
No, Gun God's Black Barrel gives them death it cannot be stopped it's literally the immortality killer. Immortality is immortal it literally cannot be killed but Black Barrel makes them have a death on any possible way 'Nothingness' 'Void' kills them you cannot stop something that is coming from 'nothing' from killing you. Therefore immortality could not possibly stop it as it was treated as if he either never existed or he never died in the first place.

>>2521736

I'm pretty sure Gun God owns a plane....

Anyways, the point is before something can become immortal, there is existence to take care of. Something that doesn't have life cancel the effect of becoming an immortal.

Turning an immortal to stone doesn't defeat the definition, because the stone still exists, it just doesn't have a concept of life so immortality cannot bring it back to life from death because it didn't have life in the first place.

Scattering the ashes of a phoenix doesn't kill it, it simply means that the phoenix has no means of reincarnation, once the ashes are gathered it is reborn, until then it remains non-living.

>>2521775
Cont.
The Gun makes it as if he always had a death and you can obviously see where this is going.

>>2521775
>lolwut
That shit makes no sense.

>I'm pretty sure Gun God owns a plane....
Planes can protect you from being crushed? So if I bought a plane I wouldn't be harmed in car accidents?

>>2521766
There are more states of existence than just living/dead.

>If they are immortal, you can't turn them into a rock in the first place BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FUCKING DIE
I'm sorry, when did immortality mean invulnerability again? What clause say they can't be turned into stone?

>logic of reality
>immortality

dohoho, I think you need to further examine logic

as for the phoenix girl, a fictional entity can have any attribute the author want, I'm using the phoenix as an example because it is one of the oldest examples of whats like to be immortal

I can say "lol I have this ability to kill immortals, fuck your logic" too.

>>2521563
This so badly it hurts.

>>2521775

>Immortality killer

The fuck? How do you make someone cross a door that doesn't exist? Immortality means that the door to death doesn't exist to you. You can't cross a door that doesn't exist. You have the wrong concept of what being immortal means.

>>2521646
>>2521780
>>2521775
>>2521766
Immortality sucks. Why? In a very very very long time, the Earth will be gone, the sun will be gone, stars will be gone, atoms themselves will have decayed, there will be nothing but darkness and the immortal being is well stuck in a dark vacuum, not able to breath, with nothing to see or do until another big bang occurs. When another big bang occurs, they'd have to experience ULTRA high temperatures that would make existence as a collection of molecules impossible!

Though maybe the big bang won't occur again, maybe a big rip occurs, or fundamental constants could change, both scenarios make existence as we know it(as a collection of molecules) impossible.

ORT > Gun God

>>2521800
Touhou immortality comes with automatic re-raise. They're not invulnerable, you can hurt them, but they'll get better.

>>2521816
I did mention attributes of fictional character can take on anything that the author mention, if I wrote a book and added a being that could kill immortals, well then, what can you argue with me? My scenario, my rules, external rules such as law of physics doesn't apply, don't think too hard on it.

tl;dr fictional powerlevels? might as well just say God did it lol

>>2521790
If you know what 'nothing' means in Nasuverse you would know that 'nothing' means 'everything' if the attack comes from 'everything' including existence itself it's impossible itself everything attacks the object in question. Time, dimension, own body, even the things own immortality, space, literally everything.

And since it may have been killed by 'existence' literally space warps itself as the object in question never existed in the first place.

>>2520528
Canonically Remlia circle the moon in seconds for shit and giggles.

Marisa has near light speed reflexes

Sakuya stopped lightening in mid strike

Kaguya has reaction time in the femtoseconds

Youmu goes so fast the effects of relativity are seen

and Aya is faster than all of them.

Bullets aint tuching any touhou. Maybe cirno if she's sleeping but not any touhou.

>>2521766

Hydra and cancer cells are (biologically) immortal, given sufficient nutrients and no environmental stressors, but they still die if they're killed.

Regardless, GO TEAM TOUHOU

>>2521800

Ok then fine. If that's the way you put it, then yes. Immortality means invulnurability. Because then you can't turn them to stone, meaning you won't be able to kill them. That or they resurrect in a new body the instant you 'kill' them. You can't kill an immortal. Period.

>>2521821
But when dealing with characters that you did not write you can't apply your own rules.

>>2520440
I can understand a bunch of touhous taking out Dr.Manhattan but I can't imagine any touhou taking out superman.

>>2521816
Then kill them continuously, that way they can never come back.

>>2521807
It makes a door that never existed.

>>2521815
Type-Jupiter > ORT and yeah Gun God sucks in a battle of abilities he just has a hax weapon. Type-Jupiter only lost because it didn't have the intelligence to expand it's gas over the solar system.

Guys Reimu's final card brings her out of reality and makes her invulnerable. I don't think The gun guy from the Nasuverse can do shit to that.

Wow, how did I miss this "gem" of a thread?

And the touhous aren't even that powerful when you compare them to some other STG characters and ships. Rude sage.

>>2521821


You do have logic, right? Immortality-not able to die. Mortality-able to die. If you kill them, they're mortal. Period.

>>2521790

>>car accidents

Well, actually, yeah. You'd be quite fine. Lets see you try to hit a car from a mile in the sky.

Then again, his plane is basically the shittiest the future has to offer, so crashing could be a problem.

>>2521808
Well, then, you die. Probably.

For instance, if you're given immortality by some kind of magic, you can assume that will end when the earth does. Generally speaking, all contracts are null and void without an earth, if you go by general magic-type stuff.

If it's the kind where you just don't age, you'll die from lack of air, etc... in other words, scientific immortality wouldn't stop things from killing you. For instance, non-magic type immortality couldn't, say, create materials for cell division to repair injured body parts without taking in matter, which there wouldn't be any of.

If it's the ridiculous 'never die no matter what', then you can assume you'll be strong enough to just find another world or whatever. Anyways, when the universe can't support enough matter to make up you, you die.

>>2521851
>>the touhous aren't even that powerful when you compare them to some other STG characters and ships.

examples ?

>>2521824
I agree to this despite Nasverse having so many hax characters, I accept this statement. And I'm the one who has been typing up all the stuff about immortality... Touhou's themselves are too fast for any of them. The only one's that can actually fight them are the Types but I doubt they can do shit too Shinki in Makai or other beings like that.

>>2521855

What? The universe is infinite. There's always room for more matter.

My Hax vs. Your Hax

>>2521854

Oh, I get it.

Then, the second they can be killed, they aren't immortal anymore! Since an immortal can't be killed, the second something comes along that can kill them, 'immortality' is redefined as to not include the thing that can now be killed.

I've solved it with logic.

>>2521869

What ever happened to the 'Big Crunch' idea, then? What, is it not cool anymore?

>>2521824
What are you talking about? Cirno is the storngest you faggot.

This reminds me of some book where the people were immortal, but not invulnerable, and some twisted fucker did shit like chop everybody up and bury the pieces scattered about.
They were still alive and conscious, but they couldn't do anything as their arm was buried on one place and their torso in another.

>>2521822

The fuck are you talking about? Fine then, let's make it division by zero then. It fits better for what I'm trying to say. killing an immortal is impossible like that. How many zeros does it take to get 5? The question itself doesn't make sence, it's impossible! so stop arguing!

>>2521880
Everyone realized that it's utterly impossible for that to happen. Everything in the universe is moving apart from each other at increasing velocities, even faster than the speed of light.

>>2521854
Die only has meaning when it is used in the context of something that is living.

You're trying to say:
death implies non-living

what's wrong with that you say, well, can non-living be defined by death and death alone? NO

the problem with the english language is that it's ambiguous, death is a state of non-living, not THE state of non-living

example? well, what about non-existence? can something be living if it never existed? can you define life or death for something that never existed? NO

what about existent, but non-living attributes, can you define the point in which energy dies? what about empty space? are they dead because they are non-living? NO

the rule is:
non-living AND possible state of life implies death

you can't kill something that never existed, or was never alive and neither could you grant them immortality

>>2521880
Modern astronomical observations concluded that it is pretty unlikely.

>>2521873
No, if you kill them, they are mortal to begin with.

Immirtality means they can't be killed.

>>2521901
it has nothing to do with zeroes, if an immortal never existed, then how can it be reborn?

existence overrides immortality

>>2521911
Immortality means many things to many people. It can properly describe both "unknown to death by old age" and the more potent "unknown to death"; people unfortunately rarely specify which they mean, which results in all kinds of confusion.

Why doesn't the Touhou just Deathbomb the bullet?

FUCKING STUPID

ex-keine wipe everyone's existence so nobody existed in the first place, game fucking over, where is your immortality now faggots?

>>2521923
Her power doesn't actually let her do that.

>>2521907
That isn't KILLING an IMMORTAL. That's REMOVING them from EXISTENCE.

>>2521869
The problem isn't there being room for matter, it's running out of it when after atoms themselves decay.
>>2521880
Forgot about that, also the weird case of time stopping or turning spacelike.
Though if the big crunch could occur, then something like immortality could occur if Omega Point theory is correct, if my understanding is correct... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point_Theory

>>2521932
turning them into stone does the same thing, removes their existence as living beings

nobody said anything about killing them, just negating the effect of birth from death

>>2521934
If she can regenerate, presumably her atoms can regenerate.

>>2521907

What the fuck are you talking about? You're either living, or dead. You talk as if there's an in-between. Quit denying the inevitable, you can either be alive or dead. Non-living means death, yes. Immortality means you can't die, which means you can't become non-living. However you achieve that matter, is up for you to decide. But know this- if you can kill them, then they were never really immortal.

>>2521950
by your definition, a rock is dead, can something be dead if it never lived in the first place? explain the paradox, death is a concept that only applieds to the living

so I guess the atoms are dead too, how can dead matter create life? oops paradox

you're fucking retarded

>>2521950 You're either living or non-living
Oh hi I fixed your argument

>>2521958
OK, now I KNOW you're trolling.

>>2521969
look whos talking, the idiot

>>2521944
Immortality means you can't die.

>>2521851 the touhous aren't even that powerful when you compare them to some other STG characters and ships
No one cares about your no-name STG games. Any moron can just invent a character who's more powerful than any previously existing character. It doesn't make them cool or interesting.

But Touhou, Type-Moon, DC, Marvel, etc. are actually GOOD, which is why they're relevant.

>>2521901
IT MEANS IT NEVER GOT IMMORTALITY TO BEGIN WITH GODDAMN IT SO HOW COULD IT HAVE POSSIBLY HAVE EVER GOTTEN 'IMMORTALITY' IF IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE THE FIRST GODDAMN PLACE. IF IT NEVER EXISTED EVERYTHING RIFTS TO FILL IN THE 'SPACE' IT IS STANDING AND KILLS IT SINE IT'S 'IMMORTALITY' IS GONE NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO STOP IT.

>>2521990

>But Touhou, Type-Moon
>are actually GOOD

>>2521958

Yes, a rock is never living to begin with. Stop arguing.

Living=living
Dead=dead
Mortal=able to die
Immortal=not able to die

When you come down to the fundamentals, that's what it comes down to. As foe your statement, define life.

>>2521993
All I'm saying is immortality means unable to die. Did I ever say anything about attaining it?

You're a fucking troll. Jeezus.

what the fuck?? people trying to deny Black Barrel's hax??, the thing works on a conceptual level, rewrites reality itself, you can be immortal but the thing is going to cheat rewriting you reality "immortality" with "death".

Now landing a hit is another matter, but looking at others legendary weapons being shot at retardly high speeds or shooting bigass beams(Black barrel replica), it's silly to think that the shots from the real black barrel are going to be just as fast as bullets.

>>2522000
Never living to begin with != dead.

Please learn English; you are also using immortality more restrictively than the word actually implies in this language.

>>2521993
You can't take away immortality. They would never really be immortal if you could.

>>2522017
It means the object in question lost all of it's immortality the second it was hit by Gun Gods bullet because it was never created and the space the object was taking up is being filled up by everything around it. In this case is it 'never had a begining/life' to begin with. Therefore it was erased off the plane of existence which means even your 'immortality' is gone because it's not a 'death' it's a denial of your own existence which is interpreted by many as a 'death'. therefore the being in question was never there.

>>2522035
You have an extremely narrow definition of immortality; one which does not conform to common usage. Please stop being so adamant.

>>2522035
No, immortality only stops 'death' it can't stop if the attack was never a physical one to begin with and was in fact attacking before the being was even brought to life. Last time I checked immortality never included time travel.

>>2522025
I'm using the exact definition from the dictionary!

Look it up and see for yourself.

Immortality=unable to die
Rocks are not alive, meaning they're dead, meaning they are not immortal.

Drill it into your head if you have to. Immortality means you can't fucking die. Period. How you achieve that is up to you to decide, since your logic is different than mine. But know this- if it can die it's not immortal. That's all I'm saying.

>>2521669

>>2522064
... It just means it can't die through physical means. What's going on with Gun God is not a physical attack at all. In this case the being in front of you that had just been hit would disappear as if it had never been there in the first place. Which means it never 'died' as it never had a begining. Immortality is something which mostly only concerns physical stuff and it could not effect an attack that had never occurred.
>>2522070
No, it's not.

>>2522056
Immortality means unable to die.

Don't think of it as a 'block', if you want to put it in terms of a door or border.
Think of it as not having the option to die, or walking through a door that doesn't exist. To take away that 'door'. Ultimately, you can't walk through a door or a border that doesn't exist. After all, immortals can't die, according to the dictionary.

>>2522064
>>2521950
same stupid faggot

"rocks are dead" AHAHAHAHAHAHA
"atoms are dead" AHAHAHAHAHAHA

explain how dead things can create something thats alive

now look up the definition of death

>>2522106 explain how dead things can create something thats alive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation

>>2522106
It's the way they are arranged. You and I are made of atoms, right? Atoms themselves are dead, but as of right now we are not. Again, you're a fucking troll.

>>2522118
That is a pretty clever response, actually. But you continue to use the word "dead" where you should be using "non-living"; dead specifically implies that something was alive before.

>>2522105
See
>>2522090

>>2522124

Fine, if you want to put it in those terms, then yes, atoms themselves cannot live. But you as a whole can. Immortality means that those bonds cannot be broken. After all, immortality does mean always and forever living. That leaves absolutely no room for death.

>>2522090
Immortality means you can't die at all. Stop warping the definition.

>>2522134
Except that immortality frequently means "doesn't die by natural means".

>>2522139
Immortality literally just means "not mortal". There's more than one way to be not mortal.

>>2522147
And mortal means "subject to death."

>>2522143
>>2522147
See
>>2522139

Immortality means always living. There's no room for death.

>>2522153
"Not subject to death NOW". If the immortality trait is in effect, death does not affect them; that doesn't protect the immortality trait itself.

>>2522134
>Immortality means that those bonds cannot be broken.
I guess Immortality = magic force atomic bonds?

FUCK NO, go read your dictionary

>>2522153
Thank you, someone who finally gets it!
If you're not subject to death you can't die. Finally...
You sir, are officially know what 'immortality' means.

>>2522173
A man that doesn't know the distinction between being dead and simply not being alive has no right to bestow any official titles.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but considering how many instances of stories with "Immortals" dying or being killed over the millenia of human communication, I really don't think we should be expecting a dead-on dictionary definition whenever it's used.

>>2522170
Immortality means ALWAYS living! Stop thinking it as a trait! It's more of a state.

Alright, let's just make a pattern here... Let's make a rule here. If you get a number 10 anywhere you die. Take a number and find the square root of it to change it.

Let's use 9. Square root of it is 3. Now that we found it, let's change it. Let's make it 16. Find the square root of it to change it again. That's 4. Okay now let's make it immortal so it will never hit 10. Let's change it to negative 4. You can't get the square root of a negative number. 2*2 and -2*-2 = 4. Now that it's stuck with no way out, it is immortal forever. Make sence now? You can't take away immortality.

>>2522199
>guis lets take nonrelated concepts and try to apply it

>immortality
>state
>reality

does not compute

Screw all of this.

Alright, look here. Immortality is stupid.

First of all, what does 'alive' mean? All you are is a complex bundle of molecules, right?

Why are you different from, say, a complex ROCK? Heh? Is it because you MOVE AROUND? That's just because a string of chemical reactions allows your body to move, right? The elements in your body are the same that make up the rest of the world, right? The atoms themselves aren't alive at all. So where does it go from nonliving atoms to living matter?

Basically, all life is is a self-sustaining chemical reaction, and nothing more. If the reaction can't end, you're immortal. If it can, you're not.

>>2522199
hey guess what, they've found a type of jellyfish that could continuously "refresh" itself to a earlier state, keep living forever

can it be killed? yes

I rest my case

>>2522209
>Basically, all life is is a self-sustaining chemical reaction, and nothing more. If the reaction doesn't end naturally and without external influences, you're immortal. If it can, you're not.

Fix'd

the other case is indestructibility, where even external influence cannot end the reaction, but the reaction ends sometime

indestructibility + immortality is where it's at

>>2522209
Thank you. That last statement, that was what I was trying to say!!!

Jezus...

>>2522223
>>2522223
My god...why do you keep insisting on warping what immortality means? Imortality means you can't die at all! Natural causes or not, you'll always live no matter what if you are truly immortal!

Any means of being subject to death means you are not immortal. There. That's all I'm saying.

>>2522223

Ah, yeah. There's a difference between 'doesn't' and 'can't'. Haha.

>>2522256
If it can't, it doesn't.

>>2522243

I'll indulge you. Alright, so let's say an 'immortal' person gets cut in half. What happens?

>>2522243
>My god...why do you keep insisting on warping what immortality means?
Don't know about you, but the original meaning of immortality was unable to die via natural means (i.e. old age, wounds, sickness) not unable to die via utter destruction (vaporisation, turned into other element).

You're using a warped meaning of it, putting Indestructibility and Immortality into one.

read >>2522188

>>2522274
Funny you say that...
Marisa from Touhou asked the same exact question to Mokou and Alice on Imperiahable night.

Alice said "don't waist your time on questions like that. Immortality is like casting away the physical body. The soul is constantly reborn in new flesh."

See the translation in Touhou wiki.

>>2522278
No, I'm using the REAL meaning of it. Ever-living.

That leaves no room for death whatsoever.

>>2522283
>implies touhou immortality is the same as the general agreed meaning of immortality

ITT: All creature will die and all the things will be broken.

>>2522287
That's not the real meaning, you idiot.

How can the phoenix fade away if it's immortal? Read some legends concerning the phoenix's birth-death-resurrect cycle.

>>2522283

Oho, I see. But that would be the 'infinite lives'-type immortality, ala God Hand. In that case, it's not 'can't be killed', it's 'can be killed, but will revive', which DOES emulate invulnerable-type immortality to some degree.

If Black Barrel was used, it would hit and kill the person, and that person would not revive. It would overwrite 'immortality', (wherever it's 'written', that is) with 'death'.

And if I need to use quotes one more time.....gehh...

>>2522295
Phoenixes aren't really immortal, it's just that the child is born from the ashes of the dead parent.

>>2522295
Who said the Phoenix is immortal? If it takes ashes to resurrect, then it is not. Burn away the ashes in nuclear fission and there will be no ashes to resurrect from.

However, if it can resurrect from nothing, then it can be considered immortal.
All I'm saying is immortality means is undying. Or always living. Not seseptible to death. Nothing more. Indestructibility is one way of achieving it. Resurrection is another.

In the real world, nothing is immortal, except god (and if you're aithiest, then nothing at all)
but seeing that this Is Touhou and that we can push reality a little, immortality can be achieved. But it's only immortal if it can't die no matter what. Agreed?

>>2522295
>>2522304

Actually, it's the....

....PARENT...

born from the ashes of the...

...PARENT.

Basically, what it does is renew its body. A single child can't come from one parent with the parent disappearing as well. If it was something like mitosis, it would be fine, but that's splitting in half. A 1:1 split would just end up with the original organism, which apparently did that jellyfish thing with the cell renewal.

>>2522302
Why wouldn't they revive? If they have infinite lives, they would. Infinite power vs infinite lives cancel each other out, this it would be as if it never shot the gun at all.

>>2522304
>>2522310
Phoenix are immortal, phoenix is the very definition of immortality, you got the problem with it? Go deal with the guy that first wrote the legend of the undying phoenix. Phoenix gave the term immortality.

historical immortal is not some super weirdo power that cant be destoryed (read: destroyed not killed, where killing is a term meaning ending something that had life before, destroy refers to utterly breaking one's requirement for existence as whatever that one was)

you dont kill a rock, you destroy it by breaking it down so much it can no longer be called a rock

>>2522310

Basically, you're saying that only stupidly ridiculous conceptual beings are immortal... but it's not like they're even alive if they've reached that level. For instance, do you think that 'god' is a continued chemical reaction? No, since it's gone past that stage, it's not alive or dead.

However, 'immortals' are things that fulfil the requirements of being alive and ALSO not dieing. That's why stuff like Gun God can kill them. If you take away 'not dieing', then they can die. Hence, Black Barrel.


ALTERNATIVE ANSWER:

Heh, what does that matter? Shiki can kill gods.

>>2522330
Yes, actually I do have a problem with it. Last time I checked, the phoenix is a mythical creature that supposedly, had power over fire and resurrected from its ashes.

However if it could resurrect from nothing, it would be immortal. Either way, if there can be put an end to it, it's not immortal. Seeing that it can reborn in itself from nothing, it's the only way.

>>2522326

Black Barrel would make it as if those infinite lives didn't apply to the target anymore. They'd be lives that worked for someone else, only there isn't a someone else.

>>2522338
Immortal means NOT ABLE to die. It's irriversable. Like taking away the border. You can't cross a border that doesn't exist. If Black Barrel can make them not living, then the immortal would constantly be refreshed in a cycle of deaths and rebirths. Not dead but not alive either. But still not dead. Nor alive. Well, that would suck.

>>2522381

Well, if you're notdeadyou'realiveDOHOHOHOHOHO.

Black Barrel doesn't make them not alive, per se.

It makes them not immortal. If becoming immortal is taking away the border to death, then BB PUTS THAT BORDER BACK WHERE IT WAS. Then, kills the son of a bitch.

>>2522338

Personally I don't think god is a physical being, hence all logic doesn't apply. You kill him, he comes back. There are no rules.

>>2522389

What if the border was destroyed by black barrel before you van kill him?

Immortality is achieved, unable to die even from black barrel.

Bingo! Can't argue against yourself there can ya? Hahaha

>>2522400

Just proven how to achieve immortality against BB

DAAAMMMNNN!!!

>>2522400

First of all, BB can't destroy 'borders in the sense that we're talking about them as a metaphor for 'ability to die''.

But, like I said, BB would just stick in another border. You can use it more than once, you know. As long as the enemy's immortal, it can make him killable.

And then kill him.

>>2522400
Border is dead, and if that person was alive before you shot the border he'd be forever stuck being alive.

Black barrel made border dead forever so nothing can bring it back. Shoot the person, but they can't cross a border that's not there. They'd still live.

Alternative: burn the border so it's no longer existent. Black Barrel can't bring it back, and they'd still be immortal lol

>>2522338
GF, but immortals can't die.

>>2522456
Black Barrel can't exist then. It's the fiction in fiction. Immortality is not something that can be taken away. (taken from the dictionary- immortality- unable to die by any means)

>>2522469

Goddammit, you MUST be trolling. This is too incredible otherwise.

Listen. 'Border' was a metaphor for 'ability to die.'

THERE IS NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL BORDER. You can not burn it.

'Immortals' would have NO BORDER.

Black Barrel MAKES NEW BORDERS. IT DOES NOT BREAK THEM. BORDERS ARE GOOD FOR BB.

IF IT HAS A BORDER, IT CAN DIE. BB MAKES STUFF HAVE BORDERS. THEN IT KILLS THINGS.

>>2522482

By that logic, immortality doesn't exist BECAUSE Black Barrel can take it away. Fiction-in-fiction argument never works in this kind of thing,

Since BB is defined as something that can take away immortality.

>>2522493
Immortality is not exactly a physical thing either. BB cannot bring bring an end to it because it's not a physical thing lol.

You're implying division by zero. Immortality-cannot die. BB-forces to die. The way things are, BB is forcing you to go through a border that doesn't exist.

Immortality is immortality. NOTHING CAN KILL AN IMMORTAL

>>2522502
Lets make a rule here to follow a pattern.

Find the square root of a number to change it. if it hits 10 it's dead.

Lets take 9. Square root is 3. Now that we have it, lets change it. Lets make it 16. Square root is 4. Lets change it again. Lets make it immortal. It's now -4. You can't get the square root of negative 4. 2 times 2 is 4 and negative 2 times negative 2 is also 4. Black barral is trying to dig for a treasure that doesn't exist. There's no cure for immortality. Period.

>>2522521
Oh my god he did it again! This kid is too awesome XD
You sir, win the internets

>>2522535

Thank you.

When it comes to immortality, Black Barrel doesn't exist. You can't put an end to the un-ending. Un-ending means it can never end. Black Barrel only takes away power of near-immortality. Real Immortals come back from every bullet, desease and aging.

>>2522493
Well if you want to make it that way, then having immortality is like writing life on both sides of the border with permenant ink and no room to put in a scribble or white-out. Immortality means you can't die. You can't kill something that can't die. Period.

Now what the black barrel CAN do is take away any life-sustaning abilities that near-immortals have. But if they can't die to begin with because death in immortals doesn't exist, then they are immortal. If they simply just can't die, there's nothing for the black barrel to take away from. Or rewrite, or whatever you want to say. The black barrel is trying to invoke death in something which death doesn't exist in. It won't work.

tl;dr
You can't kill something that can't die
Immortality means just that.
All other definitions of what immortality is a lie or a twisted truth. I rest my case.

Black Barrel just REMOVES "IMMORTALITY" STATUS.

Immortality = unable to die, sure.

Immortal Being shot with Black Barrel = NO LONGER IMMORTAL BEING.

END DISCUSSION

>>2523832
SHUTUP

You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't take away immortal status, hence it would not really be immortality if you could.

You said it yourself. Immortal-cannot die.
Being shot by black barrel- to make be able to die

Immortals cannot die, therefore black barrel can't do anything BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FUCKING DIE

Immortality is not an ability you can take just away. The definition itself means to live forever. TO LIVE FOR EVER AND NOT DIE BY ANY MEANS

Black barrel makes as much sence as division by zero, you faggot.

END DISCUSSION

>>2522024 people trying to deny Black Barrel's hax??, the thing works on a conceptual level, rewrites reality itself
So? It's not like Touhou characters can't rewrite reality.

Remilia can alter fate. She can also use her fate-altering powers to turn humans into youkai (I don't know how this works exactly, but she can).

Remilia turns Gun God into a youkai. He instantly dies because he's holding Black Barrel. Now the touhous can dispose of it at their leisure. Is the Black Barrel indestructible? I imagine throwing it into the sun would destroy it nicely.

>>2523832


You're a retard.

Immortality=to live forever

You can't put an end to something which CANNOT end

Immortality itself means unable to, I repeat, UNABLE to EVER die

Black barrel doesn't make any sence.

>>2524214 You can't put an end to something which CANNOT end
Sure you can. Remember, Adam and Eve were actually immortal before being cast from the Garden of Eden.

>>2524242


No you can't. you're denying raw logic now. Look closely.

And as for adam and eve, they were never immortal. They ate from the tree of knowledge instead of the tree of life. Faggot.


Immortality=to live forever

You can't put an end to something which CANNOT end

Immortality itself means unable to, I repeat, UNABLE to EVER die

Black barrel doesn't make any sence.

>>2524242

you just got owned Twice

>>2524242

Look, you're a smart kid and I can talk about this with you all day, but it's getting real tiring. I'm going to explain it to you as best I can as to why it's impossible to end this.

Lets say you went back in time to kill yourself at childbirth with the black barrel. Okay? Now, if you don't exist today to go back in time, how can you go do it? Make sense now?

Black barrel making immortals (which are not able to be susceptible to death) make them able to be, makes about as much sense as that. It's impossible.

Do you see what I'm trying to say? It really is impossible.

>>2524386
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