/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>24827542
The very idea of liking idols is stupid, so it's only natural for their fans to be completely braindead.

it's a mystery
the desperate losers supporting them should clearly be required to keep paying even though they don't bother maintaining the illusion

>>24827618
>>24827611
It feels worse than Only Fans simps. At least the idols produce something you can listen to or watch a movie.

>>24827660
This, they at least do something, it's the same as general celeb worship, they produce material to be consumed.

>>24827542
yes, idolfags are genuinely that pathetic and detached from reality

>>24827542
Idols aren't popstars in a traditional sense. Part of the idol experience is selling the parasocial fantasy (kinda like the vtuber fad that's been spammed on this board lately).
That's why they have meet and greet, handshake events etc.

>>24827542
Idols are not like other pop-stars...for whatever reason. No one gives a shit what a trashy whore like Madonna is doing with her boyfriends because purity was never part of her image.

Idols tend to incorporate purity into their public image which attracts the associated fan base.

>>24828284
This right here. It is selling the idea of the perfect pure girl to a bunch of losers. It always has been. That is why hand shake events started so they can dangle physical contact to them if they just spend more money.

>>24828284
The parasocial thing is part of many different kinds of "social media influencers" appeal to some extent. Although the kind of fantasy on offer might differ depending upon the content.

>>24827542
Normalfag who likes sluts will never understand.

>>24828583
But here's the thing. Let's assume these guys that fantasize their idol. The very first things they will want to do is make them not pure anymore. So isn't this all just a tad hypocritical?

>>24828284
i wouldnt give a shit if my favorite v-tubers are married
in fact i think some hololivers are

And this is why only 2D idols works.

>>24827542
I'm sure the mindset is more like "If I can't have them no one can"

>>24829206
Exactly.
The only purpose of 3D women is voicing 2D girls. Aside from the voice, all aspects of them should be ignored.

>>24828705
It's okay as long as i am the one

>>24828705
There's nothing impure about marital sex.

>>24827542
Are we going to start trashing on waifus now too?

>>24827542
Most people don't really care in reality, even most idol fans. It's pretty much a small minority of autisits that give a shit. The problem is that the small minority of autists are also the ones who happen to be the biggest paypigs.

It's little different from what happens with twitchthots. Most people watch them wanting to jerk off or because they just like their personalities and find their streams fun or whatever but then you get the handful of people that think spending thousands of dollars on them makes them their girlfriend.

because money.
The autistic retarded whales will burn through their low income salaries to buy their favourite idol merch.
For that reason there is probably a clause in their contract that prohibits them from having a relation until they are like 30+ (seems thats the age when they start to marry)

>>24831194
Most of them are in relationships, with fans even, on the down low. Some times they get caught and fired for it, some times they get told to "break it off" i.e. be more discreet. It's basically "if nobody sees it, it's not happening".

>>24828717
I would honestly follow a Vtuber married couple if there was one, i feel that that kind of relationship could have some very cute interactions.

>>24827542
Because ot means she's no longer pure. This is a bad example though, since Mai holds a press conference to address the rumors and admits she has a boyfriend multiple times on live television.

>>24828284
That kind of stuff started to have them on less of a pedestal.

>>24828284
Yeah, but the appeal of vtubers, at least the ones I watch, is that they're all degenerate autists. They're as opposite of pure as you can get.

I mean, it feels to me like they're inhabiting a completely separate niche, but still.
>>24831930
31% of hololive stars are very much sleeping together.

There's definitely a lot of idol fans who would lose their shit if their favorite girl was found to be dating someone, but I think the prevalence of that type is over-exaggerated outside of idol fan communities.

>>24827542
Thinking about your cute perfect girl getting fucked every night by some random dude isn't very appealing. It breaks the fantasy. It's a problem because it turns idolfags off and they are the ones supporting the business, even though it's obvious that pretty girls would engage in dating it's something people don't want to think about.

>>24832313
What if she's clam-slamming a hot lesbian underwear model though?

>>24827542
Idols are supposed to maintain a persona, retard. That's their fucking job.

>>24832326
It's probably okay, girl on girl action doesn't count.

>>24832374
Well that explains why Hololive gets away with it.

>>24831992
>31% of hololive stars are very much sleeping together.
Really?
I always thought that was part of their characters so the fans don't feel threatened by some chad and also to state that they are not available for arelationship, It's a win/win for them.

Always funny seeing 2hou neckbeards calling other types of pathetic retards losers.

>>24828717
Based Towabro

>>24827542
Idols fulfill the role of modern vestal virgins/priestesses. Their starpower is proportional to their maidenly purity.

They are contrasted from proper singers, dancers, performers ect in that their status as an idol isn't reliant on any of these features, but a "X-factor" that comes from within, irrespective of actual talent (but that doesn't hurt). A washed up roastie doesn't shine.

>>24827542
>the west
Popstars are supported mostly by women regardless of the stars being male or female. Males that openly support them are usually gay.
>japs
Idols are supported by obsessed male simps who fly off the handle at the very thought of their pure virgin idol being dicked down by chadutto the tv star.

Do jap girls support idols?

>>24835470
>Do jap girls support idols?
Yes. Many of the girls who join idol groups do it because they're idol fans.

>>24835470
>Do jap girls support idols?
They did when the industry was less lewd. I was around for the golden H!P era and it was a good split between men and women, and between CMs, dedicated variety show Hello Morning, and child content like MiniMoni the whole family would get attached to idols. Granted the actual live shows were still learning towards males/wotagei but there were still a good amount of women for a while until the filthy neets drove them away with their repulsiveness. Especially as AKB came onto the scene with their overt perversion while H!P fell into obscurity and then tried to compete by becoming more lewd themselves.

Melon Kinenbi comes to mind a group that had dedicated female fans.

>>24835554
>>24835527
Thank you for your answer anons.

>>24827542
It should change, meanwhile more idols keep killing themselves and nobody cares.
The whole "alternative" idol scene is even worse

>>24835689
>The whole "alternative" idol scene is even worse
How?

>>24835707
Because they normally sell the anti-idol, misfit, bad girl image and they have more strict rules than your regular idol

>>24827542
Don't know.

>>24835554
>Especially as AKB came onto the scene with their overt perversion
>h!p is less perverted than akb
good one anon

>>24835417
>Idols fulfill the role of modern vestal virgins/priestesses. Their starpower is proportional to their maidenly purity.
The problem is that historically shinto maidens were prostitutes and Japan wasn't exactly the purity capital of the world. Blame the Meiji for turning Japan into western-larping purityfags.

>>24834683
They lack self awareness and try to throw buzzwords around to pretend they are not normalfags.

>>24834071
It's a joke from a stream they did trying to translate sentences into English. The original quote was '69% of Hololive Members have Insomnia' which was translated into '69% of Hololive Members very much not sleeping together' leading Coco to explain the phrase 'sleeping together' and how the sentence implies that '31% of hololive members ARE sleeping together'.

Then again, Fubuki has a Somalian Boyfriend that made her a mother, so who knows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9PA4Ud1IGY
>>24835417
I don't know. I feel like David Bowie probably has a lot more star power than whatever idol of the week japan produces.
>>24835689
I remember hearing that there was an infamous Japanese genre film director who usually did insanely gory and depraved horror films, psychological thrillers, and yakuza movies got put in charge of a genre mashup idol/power rangers show for elementary school girls using their phones to transform.

And that he played it extremely straight, and it was a decent success, going for multiple seasons, and he has gained a second fanbase of young girls, and that he's become well regarded in the industry for showing the young actresses' the ropes and being extremely patient with them.
>>24842096
>The problem is that historically shinto maidens were prostitutes
Haven't heard that one. I knew that they could marry unlike nuns. What's the background for this?

Personally I think the obsession with purity comes from how Japan is overwhelmingly rural (we only really see media put out by the urban elites) and conservative, which manifests itself in roughly the same ways we see in the west (wanting to tell people how they can or can't have sex).

>>24827542
>people are delusional selfish virgins
well yes obviously, how old are you ?

>>24848702
>Then again, Fubuki has a Somalian Boyfriend that made her a mother, so who knows
Disgusting. Why does anyone watch her shit?

>>24849218
Shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbS6iOMo3Y

>>24827542
social contract because the idea is that the idol is perfect and unobtainable

It's total horse shit garbage culture.

>>24828284
Like one or was it two generals is not spam. I don't like vtubter shit, just saying that's not what spamming is

>>24832369
You realize pop stars and actors also have a job of maintaining a persona, yet are allowed to break it off-"camera", right? You dipshit?

>>24849385
It's kind of funny considering that 90% of idols moonlight at soaplands and stuff under alternate names so they're not really fooling anyone. There's even sites dedicated to tracking where you need to go to fuck X idol and how much it's gonna set you back, though sadly most of them don't do gaijin.

>>24849546
Those are most likely AV or gravure idols.

>>24827542
Modern Idols are a lost in translation concept for outsiders and even more for western people whose only contact with the culture is Perfect Blue, some video essay, 2D "idols" and years of reading orientalist disinformation on anglo internet like how the craaaazy japanese care so much about purity. Don't expect reading anything of worth in this thread.

>>24848702
>got put in charge of a genre mashup idol/power rangers show for elementary school girls using their phones to transform.
what movie?
>>24827542
these idol whores live by the sword and die by the sword, they shouldn't complain when they're using the illusion of purity to make money

>>24850173
Yeah no

>>24848702
>It's a joke from a stream they did
I don't follow holos but i have watched some clips and they act like this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4FyMp1v78zM..

>>24827542
Isn't Mai an actress/model and not an idol? Or is that the same shit in Japan?

>>24828583
Instead people like you call corporate cumguzzlers that pretend to enjoy ugly bastards like yourself drooling all over them waifu. Ever think about the fact that they get paid for their "services"? Sounds like something a prostitute would do.

>>24853078
I agree, but I also feel there's no shame in being a prostitute. They are offering a service people are willing to pay for. That's just good old fashioned capitalism. The fact people are willing to pay for sex is no worse than the fact that people are willing to pay for McDonalds.

>>24853078
Touhou, Anime/Manga and Doujin subcultures are build with a bunch of questionable porn as their backbone and allow literal pedophiles and the worst of low lives to roam freely and even get money out of it. Why you don't try calling these out?
Oh it's easier making a bunch of assumptions and talking shit about a whole subculture you don't know anything about, right?

>>24827542

Reminder tone of the most popular idols of all time was caught in a sex scandal, banished in shame to Kyushu, embraced the impurity and regularly joked about it and then became the 4 four time queen of the 48 Group general election.

>>24836616
If you don't mind, could you list a couple of those rules?

I really quite don't understand the celibates of Japan at all. For the purity fags - how can everyone simultaneously keep up with the delusion at as long as it isn't public, it can't be happening at all? For the people who don't mind if their idol has a private life - I know they're supposed to be just entertainers, but really assuming you live an empty life devoid of interpersonal relationships, they really are just surrogates, right? Being in that position, how can you watch something like that and not be frustrated? I would imagine abstinence from that kind of material would be more popular, but everyone seems to just indulge it instead. I know I'm on a board full of that kind of thing but it just surprises me really.

>>24831676
>Mai holds a press conference to address the rumors and admits she has a boyfriend multiple times on live television.
whore!

>>24842096
>Blame the Meiji for turning Japan into western-larping purityfags.
meiji saved japan from being colonized.
modern Japanese culture results from them being conquered by Americans twice. once military and the 2nd time financially in the 80s.

>>24848702
>wanting to tell people how they can or can't have sex
finally someone clearly and succinctly summarized the entire conservative ideology

>>24903814
>conservative ideology
I think you mean puritan.

>>24903814
Well yeah. There are practical reasons for this being the case in the past. Can't have much of a civilized society with STDs and all that other shit going around

Because idols don't have any talents.
They aren't good enough to be real pro dancers, they don't sing well enough to make it as singers, they're not charismatic enough to be actress and they're not pretty enough to be models. Idols are not selling their talent, because they have none, they're selling an experience, and their only job is to mantain the status quo to please their fans.

Putting any 3D on a pedestal is retarded. They are totally 100% having relationships behind the scenes anyway it's just a matter of who gets caught and who doesn't.
Only 2D is good for idolizing.

Purity is a virtue for a woman. A pure woman is more desirable.
Ironic how people can't understand such an obvious social concept, yet are quick to bash strawman idolfags.

>>24903986
Truth hurts so much!

>>24904003
Not to mention that they think their fans are a bunch of disgusting losers.
Instead of supporting people who deep down hate them, they should stick with 2D.

>>24903947
have you heard the phrase "all politics is sexual pathology"

>>24903950
There are practical reasons now. Why work so you can afford a wife if all you'll get is Chad's leavings?

>>24842096
uhh yeah dude prior cultures did not value celibacy at all man it was casual dating and sex just like it is now man haha

>>24913201
Japan certainly didn't in regards to their priestesses you illiterate faggot. There were legit brothels on shrine grounds. Take your ahistorical weeb delusions somewhere else.

>>24827542
i'm into ntr, so i just enjoy the thought of my favourite idols getting dicked hard

>>24919833
g-got them h-haha

>pure idol this perfect idol that
Being "pure" has nothing to do with it, she could be some thirsty perv and get the same results if shes single

>>24913241
You're the illiterate one, faggot. You read one thing on wikipedia and now you think Shintoism condoned prostitution all the way up until the Meiji era? Take your ahistorical reddit delusions somewhere else.

>>24903783
shit I thought it was just hyper consumerism turning them all into alienated soulless corporate drones who have to buy back fake little pieces of their own culture

>>24904568
define "purity"

I don't know if I have autism and can't read, but are idolfags seriously seething at non-idol Japanese cultures in my /jp/?

Why is it such a problem for them to not have boyfriends? They know what they’re getting into, if they want a boyfriend they shouldn’t become idols.

>>24926198
>Meiji era
so... until westernization

>>24961576
>and now you think Shintoism condoned prostitution all the way up until the Meiji era
Learn to read. This doesn't imply it was condoned continuously.

>>24827542
all women are whores

>>24827542
I'm into 2 different vtubers and I would respect each of them less if they weren't actually fucking men offstream.

>>24827542
I am a logical man who understands that he literally has zero chance of even meeting the idols he follows and swoons over, let alone actually forming any sort of non-parasocial relationship with them.

Despite that, I do lose interest in an idol if they have a boyfriend. I don't know, if I'm in it for the fantasy, it's logical that anything that ruins the veneer of the fantasy would be a turn off.

>>24848702
Wait are you talking about Takashi Miike?

>>24962338
Do you want me to be?

>>24827542
What's up idol anons, I am a big fan of netorare. Can you guys recommend me some idols with boyfriends?

>>24827542
I want to be your furry BF

Yes homo, Kono baka

>>24963314
Unless you like hairy and overweight men, that's a bad idea.

>>24961484
They want their cake and eat it too.

>>24962338
He is.
Miike's adaptations are always funny and interesting btw, it's a shame he's only known for the gory stuff.

>>24962014
Why?

>>24967664
I'm already a virgin irl and I'm watching girls for entertainment and education that I won't otherwise get. It would be boring and even pathetic if I was watching just another virgin with no social experience.

>>25005011
Ah fuck there are too many problems with this post I don't even want to begin. Well whatever I hope you enjoy what you're doing

>>24854122
Nice deflection

>>24827611
this.
cheering for idols and following them religiously as they make millions of dollars from press alone.

>>25013344
I enjoy it. I don't have anything else, anyway.

>>24827660
>Only Fans
Isn't that like a Patreon for porn? Seems like you do get something out of it, even though you could probably find stuff just as good for free.

>>25013344
Not him, but isn't it just simply living vicariously through someone else?

>>24827542
Oh fuck no. I don't want idols soiled by anyone, myself included.

>>25029287
Hate to tell you this, but most of them have boyfriends, and virtually all of them have had sex.

>>24827542
Because a girl is less attractive if you think about dudes who aren't you fucking her, cuckold.
The fantasy that they're innocent virgins is something which makes them cuter, their job is to act cute and entertain their fans, not to act like normal women.
Most idolfags know it's an act but ignore that fact because it's more fun that way.

>>24831617
There actually are a couple. One couple was drawn by the husband but they were on break last I saw since they had a baby. Nijisanji's Gwelu also just became a daddy recently.

>>24827542
Jap losers will stop buying their merchandise because they can not tolerate and ruins their self insertion fantasy.

>>25029137
But one day you will wake up and look at your life and realize it's nothing like theirs. Isn't it better to just skip that altogether? I really quite don't understand this kind of thing. I have no problems with a seldom life, but engaging in bad escapism like the sort of parasocial relationships and vicarious living seems like it will bite you in the ass sooner or later. The life expectancy of your average idolfag cannot be very high...

>>24827542
Because Idols are marketed toward complete losers who can't even talk to a real girl face to face without pissing their pants.
Idols are their ideal girlfriends who will save their hymens until the fated day the idolfag encounters her and she declares her inconditional love to them.

>>25056728
get out of /jp/

>>25056728
Is this supposed to be funny to you?

>>25047019
You seem somewhat delusional. Living in general bites you in the ass. You yourself are going to wake up when you're 40 and realize that it's nothing like the life you had at 25.

>>24827542

Japanese idols are specifically made to love and for loving E V E R Y O N E (especially their fans). And that wota-oshimen relationship is built mostly of course, on trust. It largely depends on the fans' interests and/or yearnings to whom they are attached with.

However, that trust can also be broken. For example, lets say one idol dates someone, well they're not entirely immediately fucked per se since the fandom might still give her a chance (or not). The management in worse case scenarios might just demote you (sashi's case) or limit your opportunities in partaking future events.

When it comes to AKB management's approach to these shit its pretty kind of mixed. Justice can be pretty much delivered - Sasshi might have been banned completely- she's lucky that her punishment was minimal at best.

The thing and the issue here is, of course anyonymity. Who knows, even Yui Oguri right now has a secret LINE account dedicated for her you-know-who. There's a loophole to their love rule which I stated earlier. As long as NO ONE knows about your relationship (and those who know it agree to keep it a secret), you're mostly gonna be fine. But the case might be different if say, an idol breaks up with her secret bf- that's where all the scandals and shit appear, more like revenge porn.

However i still do support that AKB still has its love ban in place- despite some SEA sister groups planning to ban it. They're kinda worried if they're highest senbatsu bidders would be pissed off after knowing how impure and unfaithful their oshimen due to their scandalous acts.

AkiP just wants em shekels.

But would I even get a chance to marry lest even meet my idols? I'd rather die. no.

>>25085256
P.s.: I did mention only AKB's case there pertaing to the issue, but its pretty much the same with almost all Japanese idol groups (and even some SK ones)

Also, here's a video where they discuss OP's main issue: https://youtu.be/s8EJOsaCE2g

>>250567528
>complete losers.
Okay, I get your point. But don't say that in front of any AKB oyaji/ojisan fanmeet in Japan, they're gonna goddamn flay you to death like they did to the Christians in the 1500s.

Besides, most Japanese youth are into kpop shit, But a small minority are comprised of young & rich autists (like one anon mentioned here in this thread) who even have a shot at dating their favorite idols if they're so desperate.

Overseas, most non-SEA akb fans are comprised of gravure coomers. (at least that's what I've heard of at least here in /jp/. Don't get startled for I'm a newfag)

>>25056728
>complete losers.
Okay, I get your point. But don't say that in front of any AKB oyaji/ojisan fanmeet in Japan, they're gonna goddamn flay you to death like they did to the Christians in the 1500s.

Besides, most Japanese youth are into kpop shit, But a small minority are comprised of young & rich autists (like one anon mentioned here in this thread) who even have a shot at dating their favorite idols if they're so desperate.

Overseas, most non-SEA akb fans are comprised of gravure coomers. (at least that's what I've heard of at least here in /jp/. Don't get startled for I'm a newfag)

>>24853372

sex and food are two completely different and unique things.

I thought /jp/ was the type of board to really not engage with these kind of shitty threads and fall into trap of actually debating it because some faggy crossboarder came to ask a dumb question.

>>24828284
>ywn have violently racist weeb gf

>>24848702
>What's the background for this?
They just never thought it was a big deal. Sources abound but Wikipedia is usually good enough to convince your normie friends.

>>25086517
Who cares. I'm fine with that.

>>25085832
/jp/ is dead. i don't know why im still here.

>>24835470
Yes? I thought that was a given. And plenty of japanese girls simp over male idols to the point of mania. Just look what happened in the Touken Ranbu musicals that got one guy fired for photos they found on a broken ass phone.

>>24903783
Meiji is the start of westernization of japanese culture, not just economy.

>>24828717
Yeah, never understood losers calling a girl a whore for having a partner. They’re so lost in their degeneracy they don’t remember what it’s like to be normal.

>>24828717
>imagine caring about a girl who sucks cock of some other dude
Cuck

>>25089197
just to suffer

>>25083926
That's why I will kill myself before I reach that age.

>>24854122
this post really baffles me. are idolfaggots so blind they equate self-published fanworks to corporate managed celebrities?

>>24848702
>Then again, Fubuki has a Somalian Boyfriend that made her a mother, so who knows.
Was ready to be angery but then, she's talking about a fucking cat.

>>24827542
Fans would have no problem with idols having boyfriends if such idols were legally required to do porn and show everyone the pathetic naked body and ahegao faces only the boyfriend gets to see.

It's a jealousy thing.

Are idols really "pure" when literally all of them shit from their asses? The whole concept of purity is weird.

Honest question. If any of these idols did homework streaming where they just sit and study and look up at the camera once in a while and say "neee, viewer-sama I'm having a hard time with this could you look at it for me" would it improve your life? Would you pay for it?
Did I just come up with a million dollar business?

>>25132541
>would it improve your life? Would you pay for it?
Me? No. I'm into vtubers and real e-girls have never done it for me. But there certainly is a market for this in the lonely guy market.

>Did I just come up with a million dollar business?
Yes, pls let me invest anon.

>>25132541
So basically this except streaming.

>>25132740
I want a robot to say "welcome home" when I get home. Maybe I could come up with something using an RPi and some motion sensor or something.

>>25132870
If you manage to do it, tell me. I would get a job just so I could pay for that.

Which idols started the handshakes?

I just love how people in this thread think they have a right to call other losers because of what they like.
Have a clear, long look at yourself please, or have you forgotten already where you are?

>>25132870
You could use a SOMO II mp3 player. Or use it with an arduino and built a sensor system. You could have a reflection on your shoulder so the mc sensor picks it up then.
>>25132677
You are in my guy. Now we need to figure out who to pitch this to.

>>25095470
Imagine caring about a virtual woman in the first place

>>25132870
You mean like a store's door ring?

>>25132870
Something like this already exist.

>>25132524
Hashimoto Kanna doesn't shit from her asshole

>>25133860
but someone else made her so you wouldn't be her daddy

>>25085832
(3D) idols are literally the biggest hot topic right now in /jp/, and it's not because everyone likes them.
Notice how nobody ever talks shit about 2D idols given the fact that they will always remain pure and cute and how unlikely it is to see a 2D get married or so with the male self-insert-ish protagonist at the end or some shit.
Perfectly understandable to not hate them, though; as always, 2D>3D.

>>24857319
I still have no idea how the hell did Sasshi pull it off. Granted, I’m not particularly big into the 3D idol scene, but I know enough to understand that most other girls in her situation would have been forced out of the industry.

>>25133857
No, I was thinking something like this >>25133860 but way less expensive (and without holograms).

>>25142777
Just give it between 2 and 4 years and the price will likely plummet, just like it did for the first generation VRheadset.
I don't see the point of not getting a hologram though, if you really just want a welcome home voice you can probably already do it even with your phone. And speaking of which, I believe Gatebox has implemented standard gf communication messages, as in she might send you a text message on your phone asking when you come back home or something.

Bump? Bump

>>25085256
You raised a fair point actually. Having a boyfriend is not nearly as much as a problem as breaking with said boyfriend. Specially since that can pretty much lead to blackmail, which is something the company behind the idol doesn't want to lose money

>>25166726
Something that the company behind the idol wants to avoid since they don't want to lose money.

I'm slightly drunk

>>24827542
mentally ill non islamic culture

>>25185091
What did he mean by this?

>>25186729
what he meant? the truth

>>25185091
Nani sore?

>>24834683
While I personally don't care about it being on /jp/ or not, obsession over patently fake IRL personas seems to attract a particularly insufferable mentality.
As uninteresting as the average anon is on 4chan and /jp/, most don't dedicate themselves to gossip and dissing celebrities. Idolfags do.

>>24827542
They're supposed to be "everyone's girl" so the idea of them giving one man more attention than all of their fans equally is against the fantasy.
You have to put yourself in the mind of an idolfag;imagine religiously supporting a girl you love like she's a pure virgin goddess only for her to be stained by some random male that you don't even know about.
The shock of finding that out is enough to ignite extreme jealousy, hatred and despair.
While I can on some level empathise with hopeless idolfags, they have only themselves to blame for trying to love 3DPD. Everyone knows you can only love 2D.

>>24827542
it's a business that caters to virgins by selling the concept of female purity, which is funny considering the women have to give their purity up to get into the biz

>>25198502
2D idols are no better because their voices are not pure.