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>>2480087
son, I am disappoint.

>>2480087

>>2480087
Watch the second episode. It has a touhou in it.

You're supposed to try and explain the murders without submitting to the "a witch did it" theory. Way to miss the point of the game.

Yes it's shit. Only pretentious faggots are playing it.

>>2480087
Stop trolling, Beatrice.

>>2480087
I'm glad you aren't Battler.

>>2480087
Beatrice-sama is a great witch.
Praise her.

>>2480087
Why are you suprised?
Marisa=Witch=Jessica
Thus the real killer is Jessica.

So I finished the second episode of Umineko.

FUCK YES ROSA IS THE BEST MOM

>>2480123
So I finished the fourth episode of Umineko.

FUCK NO ROSA IS THE WORST MOM

>>2480126
I don't think you've finished Ep4, enjoy your partial release

>>2480140
I did finish it.

Maria = Beatrice
Battler = Kinzo

We went over this yesterday

>>2480123
That never happened.

>>2480101
Well I guess you're right. I'm glad they didn't show the witche's face in the game. I can still believe that she doesn't exist.

Okay, gonna play the second episode now.

>>2480164
She was just fighting the murderer instead of goatheads.

I am pretty sure Ryukishi will troll everyone when he do a dream end.

>>2480167
>I don't believe in witches but if somebody claiming to be a witch and claiming to use magic showed up in front of me I'd just have to surrender all my beliefs to flimsy superficial non-proof.

Wrong, wrong, WRONG. The story has gone through pains to make sure BOTH the fantasy and the mystery aspects have validity and their own appeal. It does this by showing magic at work, but leaving a door open to allow for a non-magical explination. The murders ARE being comitted with magic, but they can can be turned into mundane murders with a human culprit if Beatrice is defeated; this was shown CLEARLY in ep.3 when Beato denied the nagic theory herself and Eva became the killer. In all other episodes, where the magic explination remains undefeated, we see the murders being comitted with magic, and the humans remain innocent -- which is the main attraction of the magic theory, the fact that everyone is innocent.

basically, in the world of Umineko, magic and witches exist, but can be denied. It's a little strange how come some of you can't question the underlying reason of having magic shoved in our faces for 90% of the story.

>>2480167
Lol. You're in for a ride.

>>2480181
If you remove the magic from those places without trying to fill the gap, then you get Ep1.

>>2480087
It wasn't a witch. It was a wizard. His name is Goldsmith.

Congratulations, you've accepted the witch.

>>2480181
Witches do not exist.

>>2480217
Beatrice's side of the story becomes one of two truths because it wasn't disproven. That truth manifests itself on Rokkenjima for all episodes after the first. Battler's truth that it was all done by humans and witches don't exist is fighting with Beatrice's truth that it was impossible for humans and a witch with magic did it.

>>2480181
What she said was never made clear, since Battler was told to cover his ears., so it could've been a variety of things she said, possibly a matter relating to the entire Ushiromiya bloodline.

My thoughts on the subject.

Beatrice's game board isn't the real world. The only real world was episode one. The rest take place in the fake world of Beatrice's that's a copy of the real one. Battler can't prove that her world is fake so she's able to do anything she wants in it. She can appear it and kill people with magic and whatnot. But if Battler can provide proof that everything was done by humans without magic then Beatrice can no longer make the claim that it was impossible for humans so witch must have done it. Beatrice's fake world will shatter and meta Battler will cease to exist.

>>2480087
Battler in the tea party of eps 1 shares your views

>>2480087
>Was anyone else disappointed with it?
Your views are shared with Battler. See Tea party, eps 1

>>2480253
Theory broken in ep4.
They brought Ange in.

>>2480274
Doesn't break the theory and I've read the partial translation.

Meta Ange is no different than meta Battler.

>>2480312
You do remember that if Ange didnt appear in ep3, Beatrice actually already won that game.
So why would she be so stupid to create meta Ange? Just to mess around with Battler longer?

>>2480319
Beatrice didn't invite Ange to the game board, Bern did. It's Beatrice's fake word but that doesn't mean only she has power over it.

Repeat it in red! "This thread isn't shit"!
I double dare you!

>>2480312
Theory broken. But you're also barking up the wrong tree; we see multiple instances of witches and magical things occuring from other people's perspective outside the gameboard, and therefore outside the perspective and knowledge of Beatrice and Battler. Were Shannon, Kanon, Agne and Maria all having incredibly realistic delusions of imaginary friends? What kind of drug do you ahve to take that will let me imagine such solid illusions like the Stakes, or a loli with long blue hair walking, or a blonde girl with a Victorian dress on? You just barking up the wrong tree. You don't have to buy explinations of anti-magic toxin and Beato's various excuses, but if you can't understand SOMETHING magical is going on, there's no hope for you.

>>2480319
A simple analogy.

A group of people are hanging out and playing/watching a game that Beatrice is hosting. Anybody that's there can invite someone else to join not just the host.

>>2480335
I refuse

...you guys are all pressing me,
and that's why its all useless.

>>2480335
No.

The game board is all Rokkenjima's after episode one. They're not the real world. It's a fake world that Beatrice made where magic and witches exist. Because magic exists, anyone not just Beatrice can have magical powers.

>>2480335
Meta Battler sees everything that happens on the game board. The three areas of Umineko.

1. The real world. Only present in the first episode
2. The game board.
3. The place outside the board (where Meta Battler and Beatrice reside)

Anyone outside the board game sees everything that happens in the game board. But when someone outside goes to be in private then only the people with them know what's going on. It's not hard to figure out.

Please don't start, let's save the rage until it actually airs.

>>2480325
If it is fake world, why would do you think Bern want to participate.
It is pretty obvious that each episode happen in different a kakera.
The more important question is, why are they 2 message bottles and who wrote them? Maria or does Beato really exist.

>>2480359
This thread isn't about the anime.

>>2480362
Bern was able to participate because Beatrice invited her. This was explained in the first witch tea party.

Hey, what if Beato is the narrator for EVERYTHING, even the parts with Meta Battler?

>>2480365
>The game board is all Rokkenjima's after episode one. They're not the real world.

You really think Bern would be interested in playing in someone else board game if it is not the real world.

>>2480363
Oh? I thought it a troll/joke thread about the unaired anime.

Time for bed!

>>2480379
Bern is in on it too

We see scenes with magic and witches OUTSDE of the gameboard AND the meta-world. THe gameboard is the island during two days dring one year!!! Thats it!!! yet me we see magic and witches in the same real world but before and after the game. What does that tell you people except that magic DOES in fact, exist, if only to a small number of people?

>>2480362
I'll try to make it simple enough where you can understand it.

Think of Beatrice's world has an online cheese game that's in a private room. Only people who's invited are able to watch the game. The world is fake because it's not the real world. In this example it's a virtual world. Bern complains about boredom. What's odd about her wanting to watch the game between Beatrice and Battler?

This chess game is different because Beatrice is the host; Pieces are able to do moves they normally couldn't do.

>>2480383
It only means the narrator told you that part of the story
we can only believe the red

No magic, no murders, everyone except for Kinzo doesn't even exist. Beato is just a lonely young girl, daughter of Kinzo's mistress, grown up locked in a mansion fantasizing about what the outside world might be like.

>>2480362
I'll try to make it simple enough where you can understand it.

Think of Beatrice's world has an online chess game that's in a private room. Only people who's invited are able to watch the game. The world is fake because it's not the real world. In this example it's a virtual world. Bern complains about boredom. What's odd about her wanting to watch the game between Beatrice and Battler?

This chess game is different because Beatrice is the host; Pieces are able to do moves they normally couldn't do.

If you believe there is the meta-world and witches are there, you are anti-mystery.
"Human logic" doesn't allow "the outside of the world."

>>2480381
>>2480390
I buy Bern is on it.
But the murders did in in fact happen in the real world.
The whole point of the game is for Battler to prove that the murder is not done by magic. And damm hell it was proven at the end of ep3. Unless that was a lie as well and thus I admit I was trolled by Beato.

>>2480400
You're thinking too hard about it. The whole anti-mystery only pertains to Rokkenjima not any of the outside stuff.

>>2480405
...

No one ever said that the murders didn't happen. They did. The first episode is the only real one, the rest are not. They're just copies where magic exists. Magic doesn't exist in the real world and that's why you only see the supernatural stuff in the copies.

>>2480430
This is where you are wrong.
They are different kakera. They are real. If it is Beato fake world, there is no way in hell Battler stand a chance to win. And magic didn't kill anybody. This fact was proven in ep3.

Timeline

Episode 1: Everyone mysterious dies and goes missing. Beatrice claims it was done by magic and witches and challenges Battler to to prove otherwise.

Episode 2+ Beatrice creates the game board where magic exists. Since magic exists, even normal people like Kanon and Shannon can have magical powers. Battler needs to explain how everything can happen without magic for him to beat the game board. Beatrice claimed that the Rokkenjima incident was only possible with witches and magic and Battler proves otherwise then Battler's "truth" overrides Beatrice's "truth" and her fake world where magic exists will cease to exist.

>>2480434
They never said they were different kakera. The only mention of kakera is Bern saying she'll find a good one for Ange and Delta threatening to imprison Beatrice in a bad kakera. Beatrice doesn't have the power to tranverse kakera like Bern and Delta. She's contained to a single kakera unlike them.

Pretty sure they all died by human causes in the first episode.

>>2480415
I think you are thinking too hard about it, in a sense.
In my opinion, not trying to explain meta-world with something which appears in the "game board" means abandoning important hints, since meta-world itself probably is a hint.

>>2480449
It's not. The meta world is just a plot device so the story is possible.

>>2480449
I'm sure the meta world is just like Hanyuu being able to revive Rika. There's no special importance behind it, it's just a means for there to be a story. Without that element then there would only be one world and everyone would die.

Hmm... I think Ryuukishi's interviews should be translated.
He has said lots of things which deserve to regard as hints.
I want to do it, but can't as my English skill isn't good enough.

>>2480445
34 is also behind the game bro.
What make you think 34 didn't help them tranverse the kakera. I don't know if I remember the exact dialogue, but it was imply that beato power was given by 34.

>>2480455
Who said it to you?
It's just what you believe, right?

>>2480489
This isn't some cartoon where alternative realities can be drastically different with some having magic and others not. Higurashi showed that kakera is mostly the same. The differences aren't supernatural. Magic doesn't exist in the real world so other kakera of it couldn't have magic as well.

>>2480507
Higurashi had supernatural powers (e.g. Rika and Hanyuu stopping time).

Ryuukishi said "those who know about Higurashi will be tricked more easily than others."
In other words, all of what you conceived by your knowledge of Higurashi might mislead you.

>>2480600
This is the good thing about Umineko.
Everything we theorize might be correct or wrong later.
I am hoping to reach a higher lvl of brickshitting to Ever17 when the answer arcs come out.

>>2480362
as far as we know, the same person wrote both maria's grimor and those messages in the bottles. it was stated in the translated part of episode 4 that when maria was doing an assignment for class she was chastised for using more advanced writing skills than she should have been able to have at that age. coupling this with mammon saying that the furniture can not do anything that the master is not willing/capable to do themselves leads me to believe something along the lines of magic beings being something like an extension of their master in the sense that when told to do something, they take over the body to do it. In this way it can be surmised that Beato was either, able to take control of maria to write her grimor, or another person is being controlled/pretending to be Beato/Beatrice.

it is my belief that no "magic" is actually involved in this in the classical sense of the word as in "bringing about miracles." I believe that it is more along the lines of people who have become so adept at deception as to make both themselves and others believe that what they do is magic

I am also of the mind that what battler is experiencing right now is not really happening. it could also be said that battler and possibly the other 4 never died in the first game as we neither saw them dieing nor did the part at the end say the definitively found their corpses. they only found what appeared to be 5 people's worth of parts.

>>2480628
>I am also of the mind that what battler is experiencing right now is not really happening. it could also be said that battler and possibly the other 4 never died in the first game as we neither saw them dieing nor did the part at the end say the definitively found their corpses. they only found what appeared to be 5 people's worth of parts.

You know I like this theory the best. Not as lame as the dream end and it is better than the other fake world beatrice made.

>>2480628

They found Maria's jawbone.

I'm just gonna ask here instead of making a new thread. So I'm playing episode 3 when right after Eva becomes the new Beatrice, everything goes right back to Japanese text. There may be something wrong with my patch but oh well. I have the partial patch for episode 4 but the torrent I used (I'm poor and can't import) gave me .mdf and .mds files. Sorry to bother you all but can you help me out with what I'm supposed to do with this?

http://www.datorrents.com/torrent/42904-umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-episode-4-alliance-of-the-golden-wit
ch/
Here's where I downloaded it from.

>>2480660

You got the first ep3 patch.
Go grab the new patch from witch-hunt.
Also umineko ep4 contain ep1-4 so no worry.

>>2480674
I know that it contains the previous episodes but the file types I got from the torrent are unfamiliar to me. I was able to download the .img file for episode 3 but I don't know what to do with .mdf or .mds files.

I suppose I could just grab the final episode 3 patch but after that, what can I do about episode 4? I mean the files specifically since I doubt any new downloads for episode 4 will appear.

Also courtesy sage for realizing my posts have little to do with the main topic.

>>2480694

You mount them, same thing as .img different file extension, basically.

Shannon is Kanon
Jessica sees the ring on her finger, goes mad and kills George.

>>2480628
Thie frist part of ep4 makes it look like "magic" is just self-delusion. However, this goes to hell by the end of ep4;

Agne says she will show "true magic" in the final showdown with whats-her-face (Kyrie's younger sister) and her gang of armed thugs. She summons the Stakes, and they *appear* to slaughter the gunmen, while Eva-Beatrice was all shocked saying it was impossible to materialize magic before so much anti-magic toxin. Even though this might seem like a huge victory for magic (as it occurs outside the gameboard in the real world from Agne's perspective) the door is left open to allow for a non-magical explination; the gunmen and younger-sister can't see what it is that is killing them, and Amakusa, who is a highly experienced mercenary, brought a large rifle with him and Ange, and it's not strange at all if he was out secretely watching over her. Since Agne and the gunmen were standing on a cliff or a rise giving them a view of a large part of the island, Amakusa could ahve easily been hiding far enough away to snipe them without his gunshots being heard. However, even if that's the case, it would be an incredible coincidence for Agne to see the Stakes running up to a gunman and slashing them with a locus blade while yelling things like "FALL TO HELLLLL!!!" at the exact same moment Amakusa snipes them one after the other. If Agne saw some sort of signal to indicate that Amakusa was there, and the "true magic" thing was just a ruse, why does she need to summon the Stakes? Who is she fooling except herslef? Why does she see Eva-Beatrice whispering hate into younger-sister's ear? That could have been just what she imagined the kind of hate was running through her head, but how would she know what Eva-Beatrice looked like? So it's like everything else up until now -- it looks like magic, but there is an "escape clause" built into it.

>>2480710
And just to make sure, mount means burn right?

>>2480722
...No.

>>2480722

No... use Daemon Tools. No need to waste a disc.

>>2480722
Are you new to internet or something?
Go google up on cd image file and mounting.
You can mount cd image file nowadays instead of burning them to cdr or dvdr.

>>2480722
This >>2480733
and make sure you have the amount of files in the sound effect and BGM folders as in the disc. Run the installation in japanese locale, and the onscripter-en.exe with applocale if you happen to switch back to your default localisation.

It could also be the delusions of a dying battler, or maybe he is the killer (lol PLOT TWIST).
Either waqy, if he evers proves that magic does not exist he will stop existing. Beeing a delusional world, magic can exist, as long as the one creating it belives its posible (In Battler wonderland, magic exist because there is a small posibiliti it does). This could be easyli explained with that cat on a box theory.
By the way, im not as sure of this, but beatrice denying magic in red, even tough battler didn't hear it, would be the ideal hint for him, since he can win.

0.1% ;_;

by the way, is there such a thing as a music box or something to play the music in the game?

>>2480821
Yes, if you finish your the game entirely

>>2480821

Just go into the C:\Program Files\07th_Expansion\Umineko4\BGM and listen to them in there.

>>2480821
Music box shows up after you finish reading the final hidden tea party of each game.

>>2480830
What the fuck did I just say
Meant to say that you have to finish the actual game you are owning, so it will appear with all the tracks in your BGM folder

>>2480821

Israfel of Music, right here.

>>2480845

Needs more Angel furniture.

Kuro no Liliana has always been my favorite. So powerful. So insane.

So, is this a real VN or another OMGWTFOTL?

>>2480987
what

>>2480943
I like the emotional songs more, like
生まれてきてくれてありがとう

>>2480987

1. OMGWTFOTL is a real VN.
2. Umineko no Naku Koro ni is also a real VN.

>>2480943
I second this.

>>2480987
What?

To be the bandwagon driver, Worldend Dominator is probably my favorite.

After that in order, Umineko No Naku Koro Ni, Dread of the Grave, Rougoku, Rahu Goldenslaughter, and Answer are my other favorites.

>>2481007
A tear dropped when this was playing and Eva shot through Battler's heart. It seemed just... so wrong.

Why does it seem anti-fantasy outnumber anti-mystery?

Because everyone's convinced the ending will be one that supports anti-mystery? I'm actually thinking the ending will blend both magic and a "human conclusion".

>>2481368
>supports anti-mystery

erm meant anti-fantasy.

>>2481368

Because we want Battler to win.

>>2481368
>>2481371
Because Battler is anti-fantasy, and we want him to win, or grow into a person capable of winning.

On that note, would he even want the game to end anyway? He gets on better with the Witches/Furniture than he does his own family, or is that part of Beato's plan: force him to develop some kind of Stockholm syndrome for her, much like 34 tried to do with Bern?

>>2481388
>force him to develop some kind of Stockholm syndrome

I'd say he's already well passed that point. He got upset in episode 3 when Beato was laughing at how brutal the murders were but by episode 4 he didn't seem to care anymore. Even after Beato tricked him at the end of episode 3.

Along with that, Beato seems to get depressed when Battler is angry at her, probably because Battler is the closest she's had to a real friend in a while (or ever). Do they even have a name for when a captor starts to care for their captive? Reverse Stockholm syndrome?

Anyway, I just want to see a nice end for both Battler and Beato ;_;

>>2481381
Looking kind of WOMEN AND CHILDREN there, Battlermesh.

Dream end discharger is now playing in your head.

True end will be Beato ending up together with Battler.
Beato doesn't even act like the villain so far.

>>2481368
There are few anti-fantasy on /jp/.

>Anyway, I just want to see a nice end for both Battler and Beato ;_;

The only way that's going to happen is if Beatrice wins, since that's the only way both 34 and Bern get beaten. I can't see that happening though, unless Beato calls in MARIA to make a chance out of literally nothing.

>>2481422
What? Most if not nearly all of /jp/ is anti-fantasy.

>>2481426
Supporting anti-mystery mean leaving Ange alone.
How can anyone leave their imouto? ;_;

Since meta Battler and Beato exist outside the real world, when everything gets solved, Meta Battler can just warlock and fly away with Beato.

>>2481407
He's fucking SURROUNDED by women and children.

>>2481422
I'm one. Why? Because the magical expliantion, besides being what we're fed throughout 90% of the story, is simply much better than the mundane explination. We're anons, we debate power levels. ANd with magical explination, Battler's parents and siblings are heroes, not greedy murderers. Come back after reading the rest of ep.4 and tell me the magic doesn't make you go ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER. Every badass, kickass, fuckwin moment in this game was a magic scene, or a scene in support of the magic explination.

>>2481402
Lima syndrome.

>>2481437
It might not be as simple as that. In the EP3 ????, 34 mentions that if she withdraws her support of Beato, she goes back to being a regular human.

However, didn't Maria withdraw her support of Ange in EP4, and yet Ange could still use magic?

I'd embrace the magic theory if it says that Rosa really IS just being possessed by a bad witch ;_;

>>2481449

Sure does make me go FUCK YEAH in the magic scenes.

But that doesn't make them real.

But then, I believe that the magic scenes are metaphors for something that is really happening, so...

>>2481455
And the rest of the family
And Godha. He did treat Shannon and Kanon shabbily, and it's partly his fault Shannon dies at the start of EP1.

>>2481426
Most of them are fake.
They admit that there is an another world and that witches exist there, and say that "we don't have to deny them!" without any proofs.

>>2481462
There's a difference between accepting witches and accepting that the murders have been carried out by witches.

>>2481462

Actually we just have to deny magic play any parts in the killings. By doing that, Beato will cease to exist.

It is implied that their existence/power get stronger as long as people believe them.
Nobody believe them = they dont exist.

Favorite songs:
1. Rougoku or Happiness of Marionette
3. Mother
4. 月うさぎの舞踏
5. 失楽園
6. 白日夢の果て_age ;_;
7. u2_黒のリリアナ
8. system0
9. worldenddominator
10. Umineko no Naku Koro ni

Also, Beatrice = Battler, and my opinion on the music > other people's opinion on the music because I listen to it pretty much every day.
First thing in the morning, too. Stupid newspapers.

>>2481475

>and my opinion on the music > other people's opinion on the music because I listen to it pretty much every day.

What evidence have you that I don't?

Your lack of Dread of the Grave is disappointing.

>>2481470
>>2481473
Even elementary school kids are able to deny "magic on the game board."
Do you seriously believe that what you are asked is such a silly question?

Plus, our game isn't Beato and Battler's game.
Battler is trying to deny "magic on the game board," but Ryuukishi has said "deny the magic in this story" to us.

>>2481485
Sorry, for me, Dread of the Grave is all the way at the bottom, just above the boring (by Umineko standards) violin-only 'normal scene where nothing special happens' music.

>>2481507

Israfel is disappoint.

>>2481496

Nobody said we have to play to Ryuukishi's tune either.

With how hard Ryu07 is trying to make it seem like only magic could be responsible it's pretty obvious that in the end it's going to be revealed that it isn't magic. Otherwise there would be no mystery to it. Although knowing that it probably won't be magic also lessens the mystery. I'm just looking forward to how he executes the turnaround and explains things without magic.

>>2481614
Yes, and everyone thinks that. And that's exactly why it won't happen that way.

>>2481592
What are you talking about?
I meant that nobody has proven that we don't have to deny meta-world and witches there.
If you want to object, prove it.

By the way, Ryuukishi said Lambdadelta's identity highly concerns the core of the story.
If meta-world and witches there aren't mysteries that we should solve, we will have to say his comment is nonsense.

>>2481592
Yes, we have a right to mistake.

I'm just sad that Ryukishi means to screw us over with a bad ed FOR REAL this time, since disproving magic absolutely basically means that there's no way to prevent any of the murders.
Then again we might get Bern's patented miracle ending which is just a very low-probability happy out-come.

>>2481752
You're assuming stuff. Episode 3 presented us such a possible 'Good ending': Beatrice becomes good and Battler accepts witches. Happy end, if it weren't for the plot twist at the end. If that hadn't happened, we would have had such a good end. So it is possible.

>>2481714
It's mentioned in some episode that the only goal of Beato and Battler's game is for Battler to prove the murders were committed by humans and for Beato to prove they were committed by witches (thus forcing Battler to give up and believe in witches).

Most people define anti-mystery as siding with Beato and anti-fantasy as siding with Battler, but if you consider anti-fantasy as denying all use of magic then thats your way of looking at things.

>>2481788
I'm assuming that since they made an entire episode to address the issue it's pretty much been dis proven
No such ending is forthcoming.

>>2481788
At this point Lamda will show up and kill them all. See you next game.

>>2481805
I said prove it.

>>2481752
Its always possible the murders never happened to begin with, or that we might get some sort of end where Battler survives and lives with Ange...

I do agree with you though, the way the 'repeating worlds' is handled in umineko is different than higurashi, so I dont think that solving the mystery will cause everything to become happy...

>>2481821
Prove what? The rules of Beato's game?

I guess if you argue that their game wont end when either side meets their objective then you wouldn't believe in the stated victory conditions, but otherwise one can assume that the rules outlined are in fact the rules of the game.

>>2481823
That's the issue of Umineko. If we believe in magic and the events we see in the game, family members suddently become loving towards each other, awesome kung-fu masters, ready to protect the ones they love.
But if we deny all of it, we only get the greedy vultures of the first game, financial problems being their only concern and hatred between all of them, adding up to the fact some of them, if not most of them, are capable of murder.
So, defeating Beato and solving the mystery will only make all that shit surface.
I am waiting for an episode where we see no magic, just conspiration between all the family members, where Battler desperately searches for other explanation than the rational one he's presented with, showing his family as monsters.

>>2481941

Battler became ready to accuse his family of murder after "There are no more than 18 people on this island" was said in red.

>>2481948
He actually didn't. He only got ready to use ANY kind of bullshit theories to win the game because winning the game is the ultimate aim he has. He blamed Eva in 3rd ep though, but just finding one culprit isn't what I meant.

"Shotgun to the chest" end

Hey, anyone know where the saves are located?
Theres no delete function, and my saves list is all messy

>>2482161
in your application data folder.

>>2481752
>>2481823
>>2481941
Ryuukishi has said Umineko doesn't go toward an happy end like Higurashi.

>>2482925
C:\ProgramData\Umineko4

>>2483846

Pretty sure he said it MAY not go to a happy end.

Course, that implies that it will, but it's still not the same thing.

How about Magic exists but wasn't used in the murders. Only way to explain the meta-world without saying Battler is not drugged/insane.

Also, I'm pretty sure Battler met a 'Beatrice' in EP4 which pretty much causes him to ignore almost everything and only believe in Red.

>>2483935
Oh yea I forgot to put this what'll happen when Meta-Battler discovers the truth? He can't do shit to affect the real world so will he just watch for eternity of everyone dieing over and over again?

>>2483935
> Only way to explain the meta-world without saying Battler is not drugged/insane.
No, it isn't the only way. There are lots of ways to explain meta-world.
We have already gotten hints about how to think of meta-world.

Uu- Beatrice is real!

okay so I've only read the first episode. I like it so far, though.

Battler is a warlock, the murders are really all done by magic.

>>2484347
$5 says Meta-Battler becomes the Endless Warlock at the end or some crazy shit like that.

>>2484355
He will live up to his family name and become Kinzo

>>2481941
>where Battler desperately searches for other explanation than the rational one he's presented with, showing his family as monsters.

To which he presents the theory that it was caused by a witch, going full circle.

Battler doesn't exist

I caved in and just started.

Battler's laugh comes out weird in my head.

>>2484444

Could be worse, he could be Brazilian.

ueheuheuheu

It's been a while since I've read a story where I liked all of the characters. No, when I think about it, this might be the first time. Tsukihime was the one that came closest (if only I didn't find Arcueid so damn boring). But there isn't a single character in this that I hate. Even though they all have their bad sides, their stories make their actions easy to understand and that more likeable. 07th Expansion is doing an amazing job with this.

>>2484489
What, even ROSAAAAAAAAAA and Sakutarou? You can't like both Rosa and Sakutarou at the same time!

How to auto-play this shit?

>>2484444
this video has Battler's animu VA. Does the Hihihi laugh around 2:35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugmAuVqSf14

>>2484503
with your face

>>2484501

Rosa's an overstressed single mother who desperately wants her daughter to be normal. However, her daughter is so obsessed with the occult that she has no friends and takes dolls to school with her (remember, she's 9). Her husband/boyfriend in all likelihood abandoned them (considering the way Rosa talks about him "being on a business trip" and how it's Maria's fault). Certainly she's not the best mother nor is her actions correct, but her situation is understandable.

And Sakutaro is :3

>>2484505
Oh. Okay. For some reason, I imagined it to be a lot more annoying.

>>2484541
Some sort of nasally HIHIHIHIHI?

>>2484444
*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*

>>2480267
when do the backrounds like those start apearing in the game. I just finished the silver forest part in episode 2.

>>2484931
That's from the first Tea party

>>2484951
ok, for some reason, the backrounds aren't working for my version. does anyone else have this problem? Operating system is Vista.

>>2484958
No idea, have you installed and running it in japanese locale?

>>2484985
You need to run the translated game in Japanese locale?
How do you do that in vista? I just got Vista and I dont think there is an applocale version for vista.

>>2485023
Yes there is, download it.

>>2484958
Run the installer in either Applocale or with your system set to Japanese locale. That'll fix it.

If you want to have a look at what a game of it look like, the game artist, Ike, made a manga on the game.

Name is ねこむすめ道草日記.

I can try to upload some, but my connection's so slow the first tome won't be there before5/6 hours at best.

I'm still weirded out this is from the same team that did Zettai Dorei (絶対奴隷) aka the hentai manga RPG.

>>2485034
Set your system to Japanese locale and installing it with these settings is safer. Then, you just have to run the English patch with applocale

I'm having trouble finding applocale for vista. The microsoft page says its just for xp and server2003. Are you refering to the workaround? Also, I'm probably gonna need the epi 4 torrent so I can reinstall the game.

I wonder if its because I'm running the episode 4 version of the game with the episode 3 patch. The episode 4 option on the main menu is missing.

Hmm, it seems that if i run the original game and not onscripter-en, the graphics will show fine. maybe the patching fucked it up in some way

>>2485120
>I'm running the episode 4 version of the game with the episode 3 patch
Seriously

>>2485120
Why would you even do that?

>>2485080
Don't use applocale. Set your non unicode to Japanese and leave it that way.

>>2485064
If your unicode is set to Japanese then you don't need applocale at all.

Could somebody who finished EP4 tell me what happened in its "????" at the very very ending? Seriously...wtf.

>>2485233
>>2485250
Episode 3 was the most recent patch at the time. never updated since I never had the time to play.

>>2484886
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp7TXNfFKg&feature=related
Is this awesome Y/Y?

>>2485523
I don't understand why you are confused. That scene doesn't seem to need any explanations.

Did you finish EP4 while you couldn't read Japanese?

>>2485599
I tried to play the afterpatch with a dictionary in one hand and google in the background... let's say I failed utterly. It was still enjoyable, though. I couldn't handle the patch progress suspencion untill june.

I uploaded a pack of 392 Umineko images for you, /jp/
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8Y4E94TT
Enjoy

>>2485734
why, thank you.

>>2485523
http://unasuvas.livejournal.com/69234.html
http://unasuvas.livejournal.com/71162.html

TRUE END!

WE ARE THE TWIN WITCHES, MARIA AND BEATRICE
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS WE LOVE THE MOST?
IT IS OUR YOUNG BATTLER'S SPERM!

>>2486715

I require proof in the form of doujins.

THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS!
THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS!
THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS!
THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS! THIS SPOILERS!

>>>/rs/This+thread+is+dead

Ok, I think I found the solution. Turned out some months ago I change the locale back to english and forgot. Just installed the epi 4 patch but now my save games are gone but that wasn't really a big concern for me anyway.