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say what you want about the fate anime, it really isnt that bad. But really, the tsukihime anime isTERRIBLE.

>>2466561
There is no Tsukihime anime bro.

episode 14 is a nice break after spending 13 eps in a coma.

The Tsukihime anime really was THAT bad. No joke.

The F/SN anime doesn't get that much hate. It's ok but it doesn't do the source material justice. There's no reason to watch it when you can just play the visual novel.

>>2466581

It serves as a good gateway for people who aren't used to VNs. Hand them the show, then when they're done with it you can be all like "Now check out UBW."

They'll be all "what" and then BAM, you strike. Now they're one of us.

>>2466574
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>>2466592
or just show them ubw right away instead of some lame advertisement.

It wasn't that bad but it was a huge disappointment, instead of insane fights we got key frame after key frame because the studio wasted their entire budget on a CGI dragon........

>>2466604

I would not have gotten into VNs if I didn't have F/SN to pull me in first as an anime.

Especially not of the tl;dr variety that is Nasu's writing.

This kind of shit works for some people.

>>2466592
Why the fuck are you trying to get other people into visual novels in the first place?

>>2466694

So I can argue with them about whose waifu is better.

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Neither production was really bad in any sense of the word. In comparison, JC Staff's job on Tsukihime is far less than stellar in reference to Studio Deen's Fate, as far as coherency, plot, and pacing is concerned.

Fate itself had quite a few flaws (terminology and ideas that were never really given explanation at all, rushed insertion of all three routes toward the end), but presentation and characters and enough loyalty to the original story that fans of the game would be pleased with what they saw. Just as well, new blood looking at it could reasonably be entertained by what they see.

Tsukihime also has a coherency, but it doesn't hold up nearly as well. It has its high points (the amusement park bit was a good show--apparently, if it's one thing JC can do, it's filler), but the rest of it suffered pacing issues and admittedly bad characterization. Though, someone who'd never played the game even once would think that. The fans are disatisfied with the project because a lot of the characterization is washed down severely. Instead of the mystery/horror flavor, the entire atmosphere of the show is gloomy with spots of action. The soundtrack's kickass, though.

But it's not horrible, as many fans and meme fanatics like to trumpet. It's just Tsukihime Bleached--a very weak presentation of the source material that wasn't bad enough to be called horrible, but not good enough to be as satisfying as Project Fate.

>>2466749
Fascinating.

>>2466592

I did this exactly as you said. Even gave the guy some save files so he can see the H-scenes and then beat fate right away and just start UBW.

But really, it's not that the anime is bad for what it's adapting. The anime is good, really, for an adaptation of Fate. The problem is that once you have played UBW and HF, you realize that it's actually Fate that sucks.

Tsukihime anime was shit.

Shiki became emo
Arcueid becomes a boring bond girl
Ciel's Black Keys turned into a huge FORK
Akiha looks like Shiki's mother
Kohaku was only there to get her blood sucked
Hisui is Hisui
Nero became a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain
Satsuki does not become a vampire
Aoko is not SUGOI

Good thing about the anime was the Soundtrack and Roa not looking like micheal jackson
Nero bec

>>2466749
Art-wise, I do have a personal gripe. I understand that Shiki is Generic Protagonist when you wipe away his...entire character and background, really. But they could have done some better work on him--anime version looks no different than Keitaro Urashima or any other blackhaired, glasses-wearing milquetoast.

>>2466604
Gateway drug, man. An anime is fare more easy-access than a visual novel. I wouldn't have even bothered with most of Key's stuff hadn't I perused the series' anime counterparts.

>>2466558

oh cool my deskrtrp.

>>2466757
Fate may be the worst route but it doesn't suck.

I liked the FSN anime, but WOW where the effects bad.

The anime was pretty much the entire reason why i didn't even consider going through the game until last week.

Oh and unless UBW gets really awesome in the last 10 minutes, Fate is more enjoyable

>>2466758
Everything was wrong because it was never made.

If it were made, it'd totally be like the manga, but without 6 chapters devoted to WILL SHIKI'S FEELINGS REACH ARCUEID?

>>2466798
>>2466757

Fate is like Near Side in that it carries the extremely heavy burden of introducing the reader to the nasuverse. Nasu can be extremely long-winded at times, as if he has an obsessive compulsive urge to make sure everyone is on the same page he is, which can seriously bog down the first routes in his VNs with encyclopedic amounts of explanation text.

But beyond the textwalls, these first routes also have to settle the audience comfortably into a setting, which means it cannot plunge them in too deep. For the audience to more easily entrench themselves, they need to be started off in a relatively shallow atmosphere before they decide if they want to dig in deeper. The first route usually winds up being fairly shallow compared to the others because of this.

That's why Fate and Near Side have the tendencies to be good in their own right, but they seem to pale in comparison to UBW/HF and Far Side. The later routes have the luxury of building upon the foundation set by the earlier routes and can break expectations set up by them to produce more thrilling twists of events.

>>2466788
Why do you need a gateway to visual novels when they're already even more accessible than normal books?

>>2466825

Have you really been into VNs and eroge for so long that you don't remember a time when they wouldn't have had a chance to catch your attention compared to, say, a show or a video game?

>>2466827
Fuck you
those six chapters are basically an abridged version of their love.

>>2466852
They were horrible until Ciel showed up, oddly enough. Then things started moving again.

>>2466804
>>2466622

I don't understand what was wrong with the fights in the Fate anime, except that they took a lot of breaks to talk in between the fighting. I thought it was pretty true to the source material.

On the other hand, my expectations are massively low for anime action scenes. Generally as long as it's not as bad as DBZ I try not to knock it.

>>2466865

Well, that's not odd at all. Ciel does make everything better.

>>2466865
Love is boring?

You... you...
loser

>>2466828

That is why I said that it is AFTER you played UBW and HF you realize that Fate sucks. I never said Fate shouldn't exist. But if you have seen the anime, then you should just read the H-scenes and the last day and move along to bigger and better things.

>>2466902
Fate is boring?
You... you...
loser

>>2466825
Because sims and novels were a different creature in 1998, which was the last time I picked up any kind of computer Japanese game that wasn't on a console. The first time I even glimpsed Tsukihime, it looked boring as fuck. I had zero tolerance for Nasu's writing style at the time, too. And fate looked little more than pokemon with humans and a weird project title. I didn't even get the "KING OF HEROES" meme when it was going around.

It took my buddy pressuring me into Tsukihime to give THAT a chance. Fate stayed ignored until me and another friend got bored and had a free Saturday and a good speaker/tv hookup.

>>2466758

>Hisui is Hi-sweet

fixed that for you.

But no the Tsukihime anime was pretty muddled and didn't flow well at all, and was already mentioned, sucked the life out of most the events.

>>2466885
The issue in question wrapped around "I AM A VAMPIRE WHO WANTS HIS BLOOD, BUT I CANNOT HAVE ZE BLOOD, SO I MUST PLAY WEAK AND HARD TO GET, WHILE WONDERING ABOUT MY FEELINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE QUITE PLAIN TO HIM AND HE SHOWS OBVIOUS INTEREST." vs. "I AM THE KILLER OF ALL THINGS, AND I WANNA KILL HER, BUT NOW I DON'T, PLUS I TRUST HER, BUT CAN'T TELL HER THAT OUTRIGHT."

Then Arcueid goes jawsome for a moment, Ciel shows up, talks business, and everything is fine.

>>2466891
I don't hate Ciel, just what Nasu did to her. Executioner Ciel is good. Other Ciel... not good.

>>2466902
>implying HF was better than fate
insert your own reaction image

>>2466558
Silly.

>>2466926
I screwed up the people I was referring to.

>>2466931
Please give us your opinion on the subject, Pygma-ch... I mean Pygmalion. I'm not your stalker.

>>2466849
No because I never had a time like that. One day I decided to start playing visual novels and that was that.

>>2466902

I thought it was pretty fun to go through the VN and do all the shit Shirou didn't do in the show.

It's also a lot more fun to watch characters tease each other, and when you're given the choice to make silly decisions, you get to see that a lot more than in a show.

Did anyone, when given the choice, decide on any action other than "sneak up behind Ciel and spook her"? Honestly?

Am I the only one who consistently chose to greet Kohaku in the morning and intentionally ignore Akiha?

If every VN gave you the choice to be a Yuuichi or a Kazuma at every opportunity I would be a happy man.

>>2466902
I played Fate route about a week after watching the anime and I'm glad I did. It may not be as good as UBW or HF but that hardly means that it sucks.

I like how the Fate anime manages to mash some UBW and HF into the story.

Seriously Rin saving Sakura wearing a BDSM suit made me go 'wut'?

>>2466944

Why would anyone in their right mind want to ignore Akiha?

>>2466965
Because teasing Akiha is a proper form of brotherly affection, too.

>>2466965

Oh, you're no fun.

You're supposed to tease the people you like, don't you know?

>>2466962

every vn adaptions are horrible.

just watch clannad, it's shit.

>>2466970

My affection for Akiha is not that of a brother.

>>2467016
Actually, Clannad was pretty good, considering how bad it could've been, like the movie.

>>2467016
Clannad's anime rivaled the VN.

You're just an elitist retard.

>>2467021
ha ha i lied desu yo! ^_^v

>>2467018

Pff, why should that stop you?

I tease and provoke girls I like all the time. Look how happy I am.

;-;

>>2467035
No. You're just wrong. The Clannad anime wasn't a trainwreck, but it was still only roughly on par with the Kanon 2006 anime, i.e. decent, but with TOO MUCH SHIT CUT OUT. You can't compare an anime series to a 100+ hour VN in terms of content.

>>2467068
lol. Try going through the VNs before making claims.

>>2467075
You're Curry Butt.

Your opinion is invalid.

I never played Clannad but I couldn't tolerate the show past the first episode or two.

It was mainly the Chun-li that did it. OOH LOOK A BIKER GANG WITH GOOFY HAIR GETTING BEAT UP BY A SCHOOLGIRL, THIS IS NEW AND INTERESTING.

There was no way I was going to be able to tolerate her whole route.

>>2467075
I don't see which of his claims are wrong.

>>2467091

They never do her route in the anime. Even if they did, you might have been in for a surprise since Key tends to not do the cliche things you would expect them to do.

She's a badass schoolgirl that can beat up a biker gang. So what is her route about? She wants to join the student council and that would get in the way of your relationship with her so it becomes a struggle of if the main character wants to see her obtain her dreams or if he wants to selfishly keep her.

Welcome to Clannad.

>>2467139

Knowing Key, it was bound to be something bittersweet. Nothing new there.

You know what would have been cool? The biker punk scene was the perfect setup for whatshisface to establish some bonding time with madame lightning kick. They could have just picked up some pipes and knocked the punks off their bikes. It barely works and she's all "Oh man, I can't believe we did that." Then they laugh it up and introduce themselves.

That would have been fucking sweet and a lot better than some powerlevel horseshit.

But what do I know, I'm retarded.

>>2467162

I think there was a scene like that at some point. He takes the blame for the whole thing and gets suspended, if I remember correctly.

Wait, I think that was in the anime as well.

>>2466804

The depiction of EE in the anime really disappointed me. Excalibur at least got a semi-respectable showing the first time Saber used it on Rider but fucking Ea doesn't get shit.

>>2466558
>>Roa not looking like micheal jackson

This is not a con.

Since we're already discussing Tsukihime
F/SN would be better if the protagonist would be more Shiki-like and not Shirou

>>2467542

I preferred UBW Shiro to Shiki, so I'm gonna have to disagree.

Any other Shiro can piss off.

>>2467542
That would completely ruin the game since it's centered so much around Shirou's ideals.

>>2467542
>>2467561
Don't make me post my analysis again.

>>2467552

Tripfag's words hold no meaning here

>>2467561
>around his moralfaggotry

At first I thought "Fuck this, I will post a RAGE reply," but, thinking back on it, I did like the FSN anime. It was, I'd say, about a 7/10 when I first watched it. After the VN, it was about a 5/10, so I think it's shit now, but it's not HORRIBLE; it's just that I compare it to the VN too much. Also, I haven't read any of the thread, so discussion's probably on to how Shiki can kill servants already.

Anyways the anime is what got me into the series. I remember thinking it was pretty damn "Ehhhhhhhhhhhh."

Looking back on it, I was right.

>>2466558
F/SN anime was horrible enough to keep me away from anything Type-Moon related for years

and I just watched 2 episodes

>>2467569
>moralfaggotry
Welcome to /jp/! Before posting, you should lurk a lot so you'll be able to figure out that we are almost, but not quite, entirely unlike /a/.

>>2467569
Yo buddy, you still alive?

I liked the anime. I played the VN 2-4 months later I think, so I enjoyed the VN a lot more of course. I still think if a good studio animated the UBW route and did a good job it would be the best thing ever.

>>2467597

>>2467609
We will survive, Garm1.

I'm still pissed for that Engrish. GARM. It's OBVIOUS. Just look at the motherfucking squadron insignia!

Source material is always better anyways. Well, except for a few things, like the KnK movies.

>>2467642

Fight club movie > novel. I know it's not /jp/-related, but...

>>2467566
Please do.

You know I love it.