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shit game

Superior desperation situation

She deserves it for being such a helpless bitch.

The only good parts were when she snapped and went psychotic--"So kill me" and "LOL I STRANGLE YOU".

>>2464247
When you keep pushing a person too hard, Sooner or later, He/she's gonna start pushing back

That Nanju bitch was a coward for pouring her rage on Aeka instead of Jingai.

>>2464247
She...deserved it?

Really? She deserved to be bullied because she couldn't stand up to several of her classmates?

Would you be able to?

>>2464363
I spent quite a lot of my school years being punished for beating the shit out of anyone who tried to fuck with me. I'd say yes.

>>2464363
Yes. As a little fragile girl? Maybe not. But she said herself she had other options, she could have just left but she was too stupid to figure that out.

Not the guy you're replying to but I agree with him.

wheres the fantasy of saving the girl? not popular anymore?

>>2464380
We can't even save ourselfs let alone others.

Girl gets tazered
Teacher: ARE YOU RELIGIOUS?!
Rest of class does jack shit

GOD DAMN FUCKING RETARDED JAPAN

>>2464380

Better girls to save.

>>2464380
I want to be the girl who gets saved. That's what I've always wanted, for as long as I can remember...

I only stand up for myself because there's no one there to stand up for me. I only fight against weakness because I don't want anyone to have to suffer as I would have had I not made my stand.

It's ironic that my independence and compassion has led to my becoming an enemy of humanity, isn't it?

Still, everyone who is weak must be eliminated. It's the only way to achieve an acceptable ratio between pleasure and pain. Even if perfection is impossible, that doesn't make for a good excuse--just because it can't be perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be better.

>>2464363
>>2464386
This.
Sadly when I was that age I was an ass and would probably not have done anything to help either. Hell I didn't help myself though to be fair I was so introverted I barely noticed I was being bullied. Except when they let the air out of my tires. Fuck but that was annoying.

Why does every single Aeka thread do this?

I went to school in Japan and joined in with the bullying/torment/torture of this one girl because it was easier to do it than be singles out.
They play it up a fuckload in YMK of course, but it's not far off from what really happens.

>>2464407
Not to mention WE ARE YOUR TWO BEST FRIENDS IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD BUT WE ARE GONNA PRETEND WE DONT KNOW YOU FROM NOW ON BECAUSE YOU MESSED WITH THE POPULAR GIRL

>>2464424
Christ people actually do this? I though this level of childhood cruelty only existed on TV and VN's

>>2464405
Pathetic.
If you had a backbone you'd at least fight and die against the oppressors.
Eliminate weakness... So you became a bully because you were bullied? That sounds like a great idea.

>>2464439
It's kinda normal, there's no real point in standing up for other people, really.

>>2464439
You misunderstand. I do not bring unrelated humiliation or antagonism. I try to explain to people how they are flawed and the mistakes they have made. So far, I have not gone beyond that, though I hope that will one day change.

Still, I will never bring harm to anyone. If advice does not suffice, a swift end must be brought to the suffering.

I hardly think you can compare murder to bullying.

>>2464448

The strongest of men do not batter the weak, but instead make them stronger.

Aeka is cute. I would have stuck my neck out for her. If that means I would have to get bullied too, then at least I would get to have sex with her.

it's impossible to make a rational post in a bullying thread.

>>2464454
The strongest of men do not defend the weak, but instead save them from themselves.

>>2464448
Not necessarily standing up for other people, just not causing them any more harm than absolutely necessary. Not laughing when they're being humiliated or the like can be a good start.
Hell I wouldn't have done anything to help when I was younger, one of the many faults I hate the younger me for. Although nowadays I don't have much of a drive for self preservation so I don't hesitate to take risks if i see someone bringing harm to someone for no apparent reason. I don't want to have more reason to hate myself than I do.

>>2464471

Your statement did not contradict my statement.

The strongest of men have their hands full fighting the demons and won't arrive in time to help the weak :(

>>2464454
>The strongest of men do not batter the weak, but instead make them stronger.

Sounds like what Kouhei did

>>2464492

Did I ever say Kouhei was strong?

Kouhei's a pathetic hollow husk of a man who needs a woman to give him direction.

>>2464494
Well at least he stood up for her in the end

Too slow though, But at least he made it

>>2464486
How delightfully twisted! You would call yourself a defender when you seek only to ease your own mind!

True strength can only be found in those who are willing to have mercy for those they hate. True strength can be found only in those who will leave no weakness in their wake!

I assure you, I take no pleasure in death. Were I not humanity's benefactor, I would not even think of leaving my comfortable life as a NEET for the sake of mercy.

>>2464512
>TRUEEE STRENGTH HRRFADURF

I hate Aeka for revealing that I still have a white knight side to me.

True neutral 4 life.

>>2464533
Fascinating.

>>2464512

>humanity's benefactor

>>2464512
Motivations are worthless.
Your actions are all.

Good timing, this thread. I just wanted to start one about Aeka.

Does /jp/ know VNs similar to her route in YMK? I loved the scenario a lot, but the amount of sex scenes is a bit ridiculous in this game.

Help me out, /jp/, I want to be a white knight with a poor girl emotionally attached to me seeking help.

>>2464488
Strangely, when Guts is involved, thousands die and the weak betray him.

>>2464571

Try playing THE OTHER ROUTES IN YMK

>>2464533
And you! The weakest of all! One who wants no dreams, no hope, and to be destined to live only in pain!

Even Lawful Evil is not as insufferable as your ilk.

Chaotic Good, represent!

>>2464571
Try playing the Mizuki and the Nekoko route then.

Personally, I liked the Mizuki route best.

>>2464584

True Neutral's response:

"You're an idiot".

>>2464571

>Help me out, /jp/, I want to be a white knight

Play Shirokishi Monogatari.

Pic related.

Lawful Neutral is best, faggots.

>>2464596
No, True Neutral is a faggot who tried to kill himself.

The individual pictured there is Chaotic Good.

>>2464609

Neutral Good.

Do the best thing, after weighing the consequences. "Kill 100 to save 1000" ideal.

Chaotics don't weigh. They do what they feel is right immediately.

>>2464620
What would HF Shirou be?

>>2464620
Bullshit. What determines Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic is respect for law and societal norms.

http://byy.pl/corrida/

>>2464631
True Neutral.

>>2464631

Lawful Neutral. Doing what he wants by his own rules. Protect Sakura above all else.

>>2464635

They are.
Neutrals have absolutely no reason to obey laws. Neutral Good has no qualms killing if they know it will save. Chaotics has qualms killing if it offends their feelings, as they act on impulse.

True Neutral is the only one who is truly aware of and true to himself. Whether you do good or evil you know why and have chosen to do so without (self)deception.
Truly the True Neutral who does good is the most admirable of all.

>>2464653
You have absolutely no grasp of the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic spectrum. Just stop trying.

>>2464571
いたいけな彼女
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12282

I don't know if you'd like it. The protagonist is kind of an asshole, really. He's basically tsundere. And it's kind of understandable, at first I hated Honoka, she's such a clumsy moeblob it's hard not to hate her, but then you kind of learn that she's a lot more than that. It's also hard to hate her when you see her trying so fucking hard to be liked, barely holding together a desperate fake-smile on her face. She's like a puppy that keeps crawling back to nuzzle against your leg no matter how many times you kick her away, believing that if she just tries hard enough everything will be okay.

Also, if you thought the amount of sex scenes in YMK was ridiculous, you might not want to play this game.

Why are you arguing about D&D alignments when even D&D players think they're a piece of shit? Just saying.

>>2464664

Lawful: Obeys rules. Legal rules are NOT the only rules, personal code works too.
Neutral: No holds barred. To all ends, a means.
Chaotic: Acts on whims. Will act differently depending on their mood.

What in this is wrong?

>>2464653
>Neutrals have absolutely no reason to obey laws.

Except when it's convenient to do so. Not even chaotic characters are bound to break laws for the hell of it (though they may do it depending on their character. ) The law axis depends on how willing they are to break a code when not doing so is of consequence to them (pardon the shitty wording), hence you're completely right on a Neutral Good character having no qualms about breaking certain rules if it'll do, well, Good.

PROTIP: You can't categorize people with stupid alignment charts, only individual actions, because people behave differently under different conditions.

According to these charts everyone would be true neutral since most of the real people are perfectly capable of doing both good and evil deeds depending on if they are having a bad day or not.

>>2464692

Nasu disagrees, Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good, Chaotic Insane etc.

>>2464681
>What in this is wrong?
Quoted below.

>Lawful: Legal rules are NOT the only rules, personal code works too.
>Neutral: No holds barred. To all ends, a means.

Accurate version:

Lawful: Obeys laws and societal norms. May attempt to change these if they conflict with his personal code, but will not disobey them.

Neutral: Obeys laws and societal norms. Will ignore them only if they significantly conflict with his personal code.

Chaotic: Does not obey laws or societal norms unless they just so happen to match up with his personal code.

>>2464653
HF Shirou is true neutral. He saves Sakura without regard for rules or the greater good.

>>2464702

I'm not even going to BOTHER contradicting because we obviously just define them differently.

It's just "I'm right you're wrong", here.

>>2464702
Are you saying a Lawful Good paladin in a kingdom ruled by an evil tyrant won't disobey the law? I disagree. If he considers the laws unjust, he will disobey and actively interfere with the execution of the law.

>>2464733

He's obeying his personal law of "protect Sakura at all costs". Lawful.

>>2464736
I didn't make up the definitions. They were made by some D&D guys. Defining something according to what you want rather than what it actually is undermines language.

>>2464738
No, he'll be the "I'll make things change" faggot.

>>2464743

You realize that even D&Dfags think that STRICT ADHERENCE TO ALIGNMENT is fucking stupid, right?

>>2464741
So Gilgamesh must be Lawful because he obeys his own personal law of "I am superior to all others. I will acknowledge those who live to serve me and destroy those who act against my kingdom."

He never goes against that, you'll notice.

>>2464741
Can you really call that a law? It's more or less his goal, which would make ik true neutral

>>2464741
He's chaotic good because he throws away and ignores everything and everyone else and does what he feels is right.

>>2464751
When did we jump from "strict adherence to definitions" to "strict adherence to alignments," you halfwit? That's right, we didn't.

>>2464756
Did you seriously just try to call GILGAMESH True Neutral? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>2464757
Yeah, I know. That's the point I'm trying to make.

>>2464754

That's not a law at all, that's just personality. He doesn't destroy everyone who goes against his kingdom (he very openly does not destroy Saber, who is completely against him).

>>2464741
No, he's True Neutral--he sides with Sakura because he loves her, and to hell with anything else. He even says that right and wrong don't concern him when he chooses Sakura over becoming a superhero.

>>2464764

Strict adherence to definitions for very loosely defined items is also idiotic.

>>2464771
that's because he wants to open her gates of babylon.

>>2464757
No, he's True Neutral--he sides with Sakura because he loves her, and to hell with anything else. He even says that right and wrong don't concern him when he chooses Sakura over becoming a superhero.

>>2464766
No, I was talking about Shiro...
Of course Gil isn't true neutral

>>2464771
>He doesn't destroy everyone who goes against his kingdom (he very openly does not destroy Saber, who is completely against him).
He spends the entirety of his time in Fate trying to mentally destroy and corrupt her. Also, "hurr its just personality" is fucking stupid--alignment and philosophy is part of your goddamn personality.

>>2464776

What a very *chaotic* thing to do.

>>2464785

No, it's your actions. Obeying your personal code over the complaints of your personality = LAWFUL.

>>2464741
Lawful characters tell the truth, keep their word, respect authority, honor traditions, and judge those who fall short of their duties. Chaotic characters follow their consciences, resent being told what to do, favor new ideas over tradition, and do what they promise if they feel like it.

"Law" implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closemindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgementalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.

"Chaos" implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.

His personal law of "protect Sakura" doesn't fucking matter. He is willing to ignore the law if it gets in the way of his code. Thus he cannot be lawful.

>>2464792

>His personal law of "protect Sakura" doesn't fucking matter. He is willing to ignore the law

Contradiction.

A LAW HE WON'T BREAK DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE HE WILL IGNORE LAWS (except that one)

>>2464778
That's everything that's not true neutral. Only caring about your own feelings and self-righteousness is a chaotic trait.

>>2464791
>No, it's your actions. Obeying your personal code over the complaints of your personality = LAWFUL.
THEN HE MUST BE CHAOTIC BECAUSE HIS PERSONAL CODE WAS "BECOME A SUPERHERO" AND HE WENT AGAINST IT. I AM NOT YELLING BECAUSE I AM ANGRY BUT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN NECESSARY TO FULLY READ AND COMPREHEND A POST WHICH DOES NOT ATTRACT GREAT ATTENTION. HOPEFULLY, TYPING IN ALL CAPS WILL HELP YOU TO COMPREHEND.

>>2464801

Alignment change Lawful Good -> Lawful Neutral.

>>2464798
>Only caring about your own feelings
He also cares about Sakura's feelings. True Neutral.

Think before you speak.

All you fuckers here forget this is not actual D&D where you have to always do actions within the alignment you chose at first, or else the DM and your friends boo you for sucking at roleplaying a one dimensional self-insert character.

Circumstances and events can change people and how they think, alignment included.

This thread is the worst thread on /jp/ I have seen this year.

And I LIKE YMK.

>>2464797
A "personal law" is a law that is independent of your alignment since it reflects your desires. In other words, any laws you make up for yourself and you try to follow is the definition of your alignment.
If I swear revenge and make the elimination of every human of x race my personal law then I'm chaotic.

Lawful alignment means that you try to not break the laws made by _others_, not you.

Doing everything to obey a "personal law" is in other words self-righteousness which is a chaotic trait.

>>2464741
He abandons his code to save her. Saving her isn't a "law", even a personal one, it's something he absolutely wants to do and he's willing to do it even if it breaks rules or endangers others.
>>2464757
Doeing "what you feel is right" doesn't make you good. It's as likely to be found in neutrals, or for that matter evil depending on their view.

>>2464806
But he broke his law. Alignment change Lawful Good -> Always Chaotic Evil.

BRING IN THE DARK ARCHER FANART.

>>2464810
Everyone in D&D is stupid alignment anyway.
"I'll save that baby Cthulhu from those crusaders because defending children is right !"
"I'm going to rape that cow, I'm so evil."

>>>2464816
"I'll save that baby Cthulhu from those crusaders because defending children is right !"

Hi there Kotomine.

>>2464814
It does if you are Chaotic good, for example.

>>2464816
Whenever I played D&D, I always played True Neutral and went along with the flow.

Apathy should be an alignment.

>>2464797
You're right. What I should have said was that his personal code of protecting Sakura doesn't make him lawful. Since Shiro is willing to ignore societies laws in favor of his personal code he cannot be lawful.

>>2464834
That's called chaotic neutral

>>2464810
Thus HF Shirou = True Neutral! He is Lawful or neutral good in Fate for example.

Shirou is chatoic good. He will do anything so long as he thinks it is right.

HF Shirou is true neutral. Sakura is the only thing he is concerned of; anything outside of Sakura means nothing.

>>2464843
He still cares about Rin, tho.

>>2464843
So everyone who has a goal that he blindly follows is true neutral, right.

>>2464850
Everyone is true neutral, even Zouken.

>>2464850
Unless the goal is evil, or aims to destroy order. In which case, they're evil, or chaotic.

>>2464862
ヽ(゜▽、゜)ノ

The best outcome for Shirou would've been to follow the Kotomine route and have sex with his daughter.

>>2464247

I'd say I'm Chaotic Good (Possibly Neutral?).

If I think something's right, it's fucking right. Law and society can go to hell if they don't agree with me, but I do tend to think being honourable is right. As in, I wouldn't fight an unfair fight or take advantage of someone.

But my own morals are generally good, so I'd go with Chaotic Good, yeah.

>>2464836
But he doesn't ignore societies' laws.
Volunteering to kill an evil entity is not what the setting's laws dictate. It's not his responsibility.

Out of two ways to end the mess, which is kill her, or free her from her dark destiny, he chose the later, which may tale longer and MORE people die till he succeeds.
And with that way, he mostly makes enemies of opportunistic mages that take part in a battle royale.

tl;dr:Don't bring ALIGNMENT shit to anything that wasn't built upon AD&D rules.

Early game (prologue, etc.) Shirou: Lawful Good

Post-Kotomine (lol you have to fight!!) Shirou: Shifted toward Neutral Good.

Fate Ending Shirou: Neutral Good (Lawful)

UBW Ending Shirou: Neutral Good (Chaotic)

HF Ending Shirou: True Neutral

Mind of Steel Shirou: Chaotic Good

>>2464877
People don't have an alignment, everyone is Lawful Neutral, except crazy people.

>>2464875
Dark Saber as your servant, Rin as your main rival, Caren as your adopted-sister-waifu.

Kotomine Shirou you are a total badass.

>>2464882

I would probably fall under crazy person, but...

You're saying that everyone who isn't Lawful Neutral are crazy?

>>2464888
Imagine the setting.
After Kiritsugu dies, Kotomine comes and gets Shirou to live at the church.
Instead of feeding him to Gil, he revels in the irony of training his worst enemy's son as an Executor, the elite of the church's combat forces.

>>2464893
Most people who don't follow a stereotypically Lawful Neutral behaviour are nutjobs, sociopaths, hermits or people who spent too much time reading the bible.

>>2464898
Why, you ask? Because Kotomine's a dick that's why.

Personally I don't like the glasses look for Shirou but whatever.

sage because of fate hijack god we're dicks

>>2464902
So basically everyone who isn't your run-of-the-mill retarded normalfriend, huh?

>>2464910
I was kinda amused when Kotomine mentioned that they had SMGs in the Church, tho.
Come to Fuyuki's wonder church :
We have guns, alcohol and children !

>>2464879
>tl;dr:Don't bring ALIGNMENT shit to anything that wasn't built upon AD&D rules.
Start up Fate/stay night.

Click on Extras.

Click on Status.

See that? That's riiiight! Every Servant is given an AD&D Alignment!

>>2464929
Fuck Fate/Stay Night, it's all about Fate/Zero. Lancelot has the best alignment.

Lawful Insane. I'm not shitting you.

>>2464929

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>>2464929
Nasu is God. Everything he says is unquestionable. He shat the D&D rules on a rainy afternoon.

>>2464919
One hell of a church.

>>2464932
>>2464934
They were given the Insane part because they no longer have the capacity for morals. It's like playing a tabletop RPG and trying to give an alignment to a giant man-eating plant.

>>2464947
Hey, let's start making up alignments. Mine will be Chaotic Penis.

>>2464902
True Neutral is more common or at least equally common. If you'd, for example, pocket some money you found on the street rather than go to the police station a couple of blocks out of your way and turn it over you're more likely to be neutral than lawful.

>>2464947
Neutral Evil, neutral because it's not self-aware and evil because its nature is to kill other life.

lolmoralobjectivism

>>2464953

Dibs on Schroedinger's Penis.

aeka isu mai waifu

Lawful Evil.
Awareness and manipulation of puny people for further personal achievement, while sticking to a strict personal set of morals.

My alignment is Pathetic Neutral.

>>2464956
Actually, according to the creators of D&D, TN is by far the rarest alignment and applies to about 1 person per 10000.

>>2464987
Because most people are Lawful Neutral or Lawful Good, yeah?

>>2464936
Yeah, one hell of a church.

Is Kashyyk period Jolee Bindo True Neutral ?

>>2464929
Yes, they are given alignment.
And they are DEAD.
You have seen how they led their life, what they did, and under which setting, and what tendencies they may have when summoned as Servants. It's unlikely to change over the course of the story, unlike a living human boy.

Also, keep in mind that the Status screen is how Shirou in theory views Servants(Fate route, one of the first Saber Discussions). Each magus has a different way to keep stats. Instead of an absolute fact, it's more of how Shirou understands it.

And again, F/SN doesn't work under AD&D rules.
They don't have a monopoly on alignments.
The point is understanding what it represents in this case.Trying to determine every single fucking action and what breaks it or not, that's where you lost it.

>>2464987
What? But it's the most logical alignment.

>>2464987
>creators of D&D

>>2465002
No it isn't.
It basically means you don't care about anything, and most people are far away from that, if only because of social conditioning.

>>2465001
>It's unlikely to change over the course of the story
But it did for two of them.

>>2465008
Well to be completely logical you can't care much about most things so I suppose that's true.

>>2464994
fucking sauce, etc.

>>2465008
Yeah, a lot of people are Lawful Neutral because of psychological scarring (hurr punishment) from their childhood.

>>2465012
Yes, because they still carry their human personality and grudges, so they are subject to change.
It's just HARD for change to occur after a LIFETIME of experiences in such a hort time at a completely foreign setting...

And whose alignment changed?
No Avenger influence.

>>2465018
secret church d0x on investigation of Curry

>>2465020
Fuck yeah, broad sweeping statements!

>>2465026
Saber's in Fate (shifted toward Neutral Good)
Archer's in UBW (reverted to Chaotic Good)

Chaotic alignments are reserved for Revolutionary leaders or Mad Scientists.
Most others get Stupid alignment.

>>2465034
Nah, not really.
Archer, maybe...but Saber's is too icky.

>>2465002
I think they meant True Neutral as in not caring about anything at fucking all.
World in danger? Who cares?

Villagers in trouble? Who cares!?

A chance for ultimate power through the sacrifice of virgins? WHO CARES

>>2465008
I'm the true neutral who might be responsible for this discussion in the first place. To me, being a true neutral means that I believe morals can't be trusted, and laws should always be questioned, but I don't have enough to gain by working against any of them.

Real people don't follow templates as easily as fictional characters, though, so in some situations lawful neutral, chaotic neutral and neutral good might be more fitting, but most of the time I hear that I would fit best as a true neutral.

>>2465049
Archer said he was right all along.

He was Chaotic Good. He said that was correct. That means he became Chaotic Good again.

Saber, on the other hand, broke many promises and a contract toward the end of Fate. Definitely not the move of a Lawful character.

>>2465067
Fuck, I forgot my point. What I was gonna say is that it's not apathy, just rejection of law and ethics without working against them. A true neutral can have values and ambitions, just not values and ambitions rooted in morality or greed.

Though it is also possible for them to not have ambition. It's just not always a given.

>>2465053
That's not True Neutral. It doesn't matter if you care about the things going around you or not, it doesn't really affect your alignment.

Being True Neutral is having the ability to see things in a completely objective manner and doing what you think it is the right thing to do (not necessarily for yourself or for those important to you) without regret.

True Neutrals can see the evil in their friends and the good in their opponents. Balance is an important thing for them.
TNs believe that too much of either good, evil, law or order is bad and that everything, no matter how good or wicked it is has a right to live.

True Neutrals are so rare because they act without prejudice, which is something that almost every human has.

>>2465075
Your view of 'Law' is very narrow.
Anyway, what Saber does near the end is not 'straying' from her character.
She just did a few stupid things, then realizes that and SCORE.

As for Archer, one can argue that him realizing his life wasn't wrong doesn't mean his alignment changed, he just acknowledged it's a beautiful thing.
It's not like he has a choice from that point forward in any way.

>>2465075

Archer (and Kiritsugu) are Neutral Good, though.

Meticulous. Like a Machine. Don't have feelings. Kill 100 to save 1000. Don't involve emotions. Don't involve whims. Weigh the values and do what needs to be done. Extremely ordered strategic assassinations.

Read Fate/Zero, it's how Kiritsugu worked.

>>2465101
Kiritsugu is the most awesome Nasuverse character, with Kiri and Kirei.
Hey, wait, I'm seein a pattern.
"K"s, Fathers, this is going somewhere.

THREAD CONCLUSION:-

YMK-> Whatever 'neutral' good -> FSN

Thread Derailed WTF?

>>2465101
>Like a Machine.
>Don't have feelings.
>strategic assassinations.
Sounds like a "good" alignment alright.

>>2465101
That's Lawful Good, though. Kiritsugu never violated his code, until the very end of the war. Even though he hated himself for it.

>>2465121
Hey, what they do, they do for the good of humanity.
They only want everyone to be happy !

>>2465126
Self-imposed codes are different.
>>2465119
Not to mention Kariya.

>>2465131
Yeah, That's weird, isn't it ?
Also, Kokuto is BROFIST.

>>2465121

It's to save people.

>>2465126
He shot other masters in the head without a second thought because it was more effective than fighting their serveant. There's no way in hell he's anywhere near lawful or good.

>>2465148
It's good, because it gets shit done.
Fighting the servants out of chivalry and fair play is what we usually call Stupid Good.

>>2465148

His goals are solely good, though. (Preservation of as much life as possible.)
Which is why he's Neutral Good.

>>2465160
In D&D, a Paladin is the definition of lawful good.

Would a Paladin stalk an evil person and stab him in the back with a poisoned dagger because it gets shit done?
No, he would challenge him to a fair fight.

>>2465148
Bystanders might get hurt during fights, right? And waiting for a good chance to kill some servant leaves time for villainous plans to unfold.

>>2465175
That's why people roleplay Paladins badly.
Lawful good means you follow the rules as much as possible while trying to help people.
It doesn't mean you absolutely MUST attack that dragon face on with a toothpick.

>>2465186

Lawful Stupid
Stupid Good
Stupid Evil
Chaotic Stupid
Chaotic Asshole

>>2465175

Would a Paladin do mercyless killings to what he considers infidels and pagans?

Yes.

Is that Lawful Good?

No.

>>2465101

Forgot to mention he killed his adoptive parent who was in a plane with a vampire infection to prevent an outbreak of Dead Apostles.

>>2465241

NEUTRAL Good.

All lives are equal. The lives of strangers I do not know, the lives of my lovers and family; I will not put one above the other.
That is Neutral.

Mind of Steel (likeliest Archer) Shirou embraces this, killing the one closest to him in favor of thousands of people he does not know.