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my class is giant robot

I would likely be Lancer.

Assassin, except I spend the entire war in hiding.

I WOULD BE SAMURAI CHAN BECAUSE I WOULD BE KAWAII DESU NE

SAMURAI-ONI-KUN

Caster. Huge amounts of magical power and messed up crushes ftw.

I'd be a perverted lolicon. I'd hunt little girls and hide from battle.

Caster.

With my Noble Phantasm of SICP.

Or possible Berserker. I've flown into a rage twice in my life, that's enough.

Rider

my class is nonexistent.

>>2462897
So... Caster?

Sader

I would try to fight people and protect my master

but fucking fail miserably

;_;

I probably won't be winning the war since I have no NPs and zero fighting skills. So, which Servant class ensures that I get the most poon before I die?

Avenger. You know, with the martyring and the sexings of the virgins.

Berserker Anon, of course.

Class: Berserker

Strength: D

Endurance: B-

Agility: E

Mana: D-

Luck: D+

Alignment: Chaotic Evil

Abilities:

Anonymous - This servant's name can never be known even when his noble phantasm is used.

Mana Creation : Through years of training, the servant replenishes his mana supplies at an astonishing speed, he is however inexperienced in mana transfer.

Independent Action EX+ : Allows the servant to be alone forever.

Google : Allows the servant to obtain information at an incredible speed.

Nerd Rage - Can take on Berserker abilities (all his stats become B or C) when presented with extreme amounts of fail.

Original Content - Can create an image of anything.

Hive mind - Can preform multiple tasks at the same time.

Sage - Servant uses its own anger to mentally and socially(?) hurt an another person.

Noble Phantasm:

X Is Now A Meme
Rank: E to A
Type: ?

Similar to a Reality Marble. Turns any form of image "real." Image can be potentially reused infinite times with different variations of it and without using up any mana,
but the power is completely random and can change at any time.

assassin, i'd decide the entire war was foolish and not worth the trouble. so i end up spending the rest of it hanging around a shrine minding my own business.

Assassin, so I can fuck up masters in the shadows while avoiding most of the fights.

Bard.

Saber, despite the fact that everyone in the war will immediately start targeting me.

Lancer. Fast and can kick ass in close combat. Easy to escape if Berserker or somebody is on my ass.

Lancer, i'd penetrate virgins with my penis.

You mongrel doesn't pick the KING of HEROES eh? I'm disappoint.

Not surpised none has said Archer. A standard Archer hero (one who is not the King of Heros nor the bone of his sword) really wouldnt stand a chance.

Unless you were Robin Hood.

>>2462939

>Robin Hood

Now thats something interesting I have never thought about before. When playing F/SN i gave some thought to any other heros i knew of that could be an Archer and nothing came to mind...

Robin Hood would fuck shit up.

>>2462952
Ajax

>>2462939
KoH is not a class.

>>2462939
Well, most heroes did not focus solely on the bow, usually, they were proficient with it too, at most.

So one could also fulfill Archer requirements, but it's not the only thing he can be called as.

>>2462952
William Tell would wreck Robin Hood's shit.

>>2462956

I know, i was saying there were no standard Archers, just Gilgamesh and Emiya, and the main way they both fight can NOT be considered Archery.

>>2462952
bitches don't know bout mai minamoto tametomo

>>2462969
Their main strength is projectiles.

Archer is just used so as not say 'Ballistics guy'.

>>2462952
there are a few. Ulysses had a bow only he could draw, Arjuna had the bow of Krishna (or was it Kali? A powerful god anyways), Paris killed Achilles with a bow and Apollo's help.
And this is without even considering all those who were said to be master hunters like Orion and Atalanta which probably could fit if you are creative enough with the NP.

Can I be a Rogue?

Don't forget that Hercules has the Noble Phantasm bow Nine Lives, so he'd be a good Archer.

>>2462998

Paris was a cowardly oppertunistic faggot. His older brother was epic but Paris had to go and fuck him over...

>>2462999

Classes are based more off your fighting style than your person.

A Rogue would be a non-combatant backstabber style, so you'd get Assassin.

Too bad, there's only one Assassin. Enjoy your Zabaniya.

>>2463003
Heracles can be any class other than Caster.

>>2462969
Shirou is too busy being GAR to consider exploiting his advantage of being able to shoot from several miles away.

>>2463009

I don't even know how or why you would want an Assassin Hercules, though.

>>2463009
...and Assassin. And Avenger

>>2463007
To be honest I think I would be Avenger, since my fighting abilities are closest to those of a random Mesopotamian villager rather than a hero.

>>2463015
Yes. Ignoring the classes with exclusive membership lists.

>>2463015

could Jesus be an Avenger?

Saber, I guess. I'd probably use swords and be agile.

>>2462958
Oh no you didn't . . .

>>2463021
>I'd probably use swords and be agile.

Shouldn't you be Archer then?

So most of /jp/ would either be the faggot class Lancer, the scheming but weak ass shit class of Caster, or a faceless, cowardly Assassin. Why am I not surprised?

>>2463019
Nah.
Both because he is a God incarnation, needs no grails, and doesn't fit the way of life Avenger had.

Avenger is basically Anti-jesus.

>>2463019

Avenger's the odd-one-out, of course.

It's entirely your personality.
Evil person who does good things.

So no, Jesus would be a good person who did good things (in legend). He'd work as a Caster, using Divine Mysteries instead of Magecraft.
Also, why the fuck would he need his own grail?

>>2463024

Only if he shoots the swords out of hammerspace.

>>2463025
>faggot class Lancer

I don't like your tone, boy.

>>2463029
Sorry, I meant Fabulously Gay.

/prog/-themed Caster
or Archer

>>2463024
Archer isn't really a swords class, unless projecting or shooting them counts.

>>2462975
but japanese ""heroes"" are weak sauce.
Also, Anonymous has already been summoned, he's Avenger. Wait for HA, I bet /jp/ will have lots of fun with Angra.

>>2463027

Nostalga?

>>2463033
It does.

>>2463025

>faggot class Lancer

Lancer's probably the most balanced class (with 4th and 5th Lancers being among the most balanced Servants EVER), combining speed, range, and power (for 4th/5th, ideal offense+defense combo/prana efficiency as well as Rune use).

Only downside?
They get douchebag Masters.

Assuming this is some alternate universe and Assassin isn't always the same one like he is in F/SN, then Assassin.

>>2463033
Archer is a swords class, bro.

>>2463038

well the 5th Lancers luck was the lowest rating possible, wasnt it?

Caster.

That would be amazingly fun to fuck people up with all that magic.

Saber. How I'll become the strongest class is beyond me, but fuck this war if I have to pick up any other weapon.

>>2463070
A saber is not the strongest class by Default, depends on the Servant really.

>>2463032
Oh wow.

Fuck.

I pick caster. My Noble Phantasm? Console. That way I can just format other servants.

>>2463081

It's the strongest in melee combat sheer-power-wise excluding the wildcard of Berserker.

Of course, strength is nearly useless. Lancer would dodge, Archer would never get close, Rider would be on his mount, Assassin would never even be there, and any Caster that fights Saber outside of his Workshop is insane. Only good against Berserker.

Archer class is pretty badass. Assuming I'm a good servant, Archer all the way.

NEET?

>>2463070
Saber's requirements are pretty strict, enjoy being shoved in another class template

>>2463096
tldr: Saber is utterly useless except against one other class.

Would I want to be? Caster.

Would I be? Berserker. Or maaaybe Rider, but probably Berserker.

>>2463161
You would only be Rider if you ride horses or women regularly, Anon.

>>2463158

Well, no.
A Saber with a powerful Noble Phantasm will blow Rider right off his mount and he will certainly win if pitted against Assassin in normal combat. Typically Saber would be at even odds with Lancer, as well, and Saber would have the tremendous advantage if challenging Caster outside his Workshop.
Archer, however, is probably the antithesis to Saber. Being able to fight at maximum power at a distance and all.

>>2463164
I ride horses. I'll never ride a woman.

>>2463164
WAIT! If I do ride women regularly and become Rider, does that mean I can summon naked females?!

Saber, Lancer or Berserker probably. I'm too straight forward in my thinking usually, preferring to confront an opponent with overwhelming force and ferocity rather than plot and wait for an opening though I'm loyal to a fault so my master would be the one that decides how and when we fight. Mentally I'd be Saber or a "leashed hound" kind of Berserker though physically I'd be better suited for Lancer, light fast and agile rather than big and beefy.

>>2463183
Get out of /jp/, you un-virgin!

I am completely broken as a servant, but for the sake of argument...

Class: Berserker

Strength: A+

Endurance: A

Agility: A+

Mana: B

Luck: B

Alignment: Neutral Good

Class skills:

Mad Enhancement - B

Personal Skills:

Marble Phantasm - EX
Mystic Eyes of Enchantment - B
Strategist - B


Noble Phantasm:

Millennium Castle Brunestud - Fortress of the White Princess

Rank: EX
Type: Anti-Fortress/Support.

The Ancestral seat of the Brunestud lineage, built through arcane means and imbued with powerful magic. With the Marble Phantasm, Arcueid can summon the Millenium Castle at will. It appears as a grim, high-walled castle in grey, rife with siege equipment and anti-infantry weapons, impregnable to all outside attack, and impossible to escape once one is shut up within its walls. When awakened, the castle appears as a golem of stone and rock many stories high.
The Millennium Castle needs no defense, as it can move under its own power when it is ordered to do so. However, its low intelligence means that unless the wielder keeps it reined in, it will attack everything and anything nearby at random, causing untold destruction.

White Legion - Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum

Rank: A
Type: Anti-Army

Allows the manifestation of Arcueid's crusading military order, gifted to her upon her allegiance with the Church. Such is their zeal that even after dying in battle they continued to serve her will. The summoned knights are all Master-less Servants, however each have the rank E- equivalent of the "Independent Action" skill, allowing materialization possible for a maximum of 30 turns.

Of course, all these powers mean that I am that much more likely to die in some retarded fashion like our pal Gilgamesh, rather than actually doing anything.

>>2463257

Too bad you get TOTALLY FUCKED by being a Berserker.

Millennium Castle Brunestud being rode by Berserker-boosted Red Arcueid = what the fuck is going on

>>2463257
Don't make shitty stuff up.
You Arch-Church comments always boggle the mind.

Wait, for the guys saying they'd be Berserker and giving alignments...

Wasn't it stated (or at least implied) that Berserker's alignment is always Chaotic Insane?

>>2463280
Pre-insanity alignment.

>>2463265

>Millennium Castle Brunestud being rode by Berserker-boosted Red Arcueid = what the fuck is going on

>being rode by

Lolno. I wouldn't be able to ride a gigantic walking stone golem, that would be silly and ridiculous.

Instead I stand nearby. That's a very nice idea, though. I like the way you think.

>people talking about fictional characters in first person

>>2463308

Hi, you must be new here! Here's your silly hat.

>>2463298

Since when was Millennium Castle Brunestud a golem anyway?

I thought it was just, y'know, a magical moving castle.

I thought it drove around, vroom vroom. Riding level EX.

Who do I want? Lancer.
Who will I get? Assassin, more likely. Oh well, at least I get a nice mask and a cape. Whoo.

>>2463314

There is no hat silly enough for Anon.

On subject, in order to be summoned as a servant, what sort of heroic feats have I committed to qualify, and what sort of unfulfilled dying wish am I hoping to have granted by the grail?
Without knowing those two, I can't even speculate about class. Although I'm safely ruling out Archer and Rider since my aim is off as hell and I completely lack sense of balance.

>>2463354
>what sort of heroic feats have I committed to qualify
You don't need any of those. That nonsense stopped with the 3rd War.

>>2463342

In its dormant form, the Millennium Castle appears as merely a gloomy fortress, with all the usual trappings of a defensive structure.
It doesn't move, at least in the sense of moving under its own power, but it can be manifested wherever its owner wills.
It ordinarily does not move from where it is set down.

When the Millennium Castle is awakened, it pulls itself up from the ground and stands erect, subtly reshaping itself until it appears to be a stone-and-brick giant standing many stories tall.
In this form it is truly mobile, able to attack and defend itself without need of infantry, but it sacrifices a good amount of interior space for this, and can only maintain a small garrison.
This bares similarites to Merem Solomon's Lady Windup, another massive ten-story tall stone golem with the capability to house people within its belly.

>>2463354
You don't need to have a wish, you don't have a CHOICE to answer the call. Servants are usually summoned either way cause they HAVE to, but they get a chance in a wish if they want to.
Unless you want to be Saber style and made a deal searching for grails.

As for heroic feats, you will be the common border guard who solely with his (enter weapon) held back an invading army long enough for reinforcements to arrive.

Your NP will be something of a 'Special Guard', aka even if the damage should kill you, till the guard runs out, you do NOT die and keep fighting.
Or something.

>>2463371
...Please, stop using original content in such a way.

>>2463371

Where is this even said?

I thought MCB was only seen in Melty Blood, where it sat still the entire time.

>>2463381
He is making shit up at times, don't mind him.

>>2463386
Don't hate him for being brilliant.

>>2463391
...Wait, what?

>>2463381

>where it sat still the entire time.

Precisely so, as it was 'asleep' and not under attack from any outward forces. It doesn't move under its own power, but if one wills it, it can manifest in one's immediate area.

Now, awakening the Millennium Castle is another story altogether.

>>2463372

Then I'd rather pass.
If I try to kill myself and the master fires off a command seal to keep me from doing it, can I try again until he's used all three?

>>2463396

Yes, but what I'm asking is where the information of this "awakened" mode originates from, if not Melty Blood, the only games to feature MCB.

>>2463397
Possibly the second time, he will give you a 'Don't kill yourself EVER' command, and if he is skilled, it will last.
You could always try going on a rampage so all the others try to put you down, or go down in a blaze of Glory challenging all the other Servants in one swoop.

>>2463402
He is making shit up.

>>2463397

No.
Once he commands you "don't kill yourself", you are bound by that order and may never try to kill yourself again.

Lancer

>>2463397
You could always just stab him and then disappear in two hours. Unless you're Archer class.

Archer, my noble phantasm would be a firearm.

>>2463402

Not from the canonical scripts. Given the abilities of the Castle itself and its owner, it's not an impossibility, either.

Consider it some food for thought.

What I want: Archer with Assassin's appearance.
What I'd get: Assassin

>>2463429

So you're making shit up.

Honestly, I'd've believed a driving fortress, but a giant castle golem?

>Given the abilities of the Castle itself
Appearing out of nowhere and having a lot of chains = giant robot?

>and its owner
We don't even know anything about Brunestud's powers other than his moon-dropping capabilities and FAAAABULOUS Mystic Eyes.

Caster, so I can mind control my way through the war.

Time travelling Lancer FROM THE FUTURE.

Noble Phantasm: Precision orbital bombardment.

Saber, but I'd probably suck and get killed.

>>2463437

>Robot

Have a problem with moving castles, Anon?

Gilgamesh has a Spaceship. Yes, that is indeed canon, look it up if you'd like.
And a Stone Golem is far more plausible than the nonsensical idea of a castle driving around on wheels. What would be the point of that when it can already manifest? Nothing, of course.

As a Golem, it can attack and defend, albeit not very wisely.

>>2463437
>Honestly, I'd've believed a driving fortress, but a giant castle golem?
Honestly, I'd've believed a gold-plated warship, but a nuclear spaceship?

>>2463437
Don't forget the Shinso Beam.

>>2463449
>>2463450

Vimana was out-there, but hey, Gilgamesh is wacky.

Giant Robot Castle is still further out.

>And a Stone Golem is far more plausible than the nonsensical idea of a castle driving around on wheels. What would be the point of that when it can already manifest?

Driving over your foes has much more of a feel to it than merely manifesting your castle 4 feet above their heads.

... What the hell would Brunestud need a battle-fortress for anyway, Giant Robot or not? He's an Ultimate One, nothing can defeat him in combat without oceanfulls of luck.

>>2463462
Now there's an idea.

A servant with below human ranks in every skill except Luck.

>>2463462

>Driving over your foes has much more of a feel to it than merely manifesting your castle 4 feet above their heads.

Having your twenty-story-tall Awakened Castle smash your foes to the ground with a blow from its 100-ton mace has more feel than most can handle, I might add.

>... What the hell would Brunestud need a battle-fortress for anyway, Giant Robot or not?

He wouldn't need it, but the other members of the Brunestud name would need it.

>>2463471
I was actually thinking of making myself a Berserker with all E stats (after boost) except Luck at EX. For the purposes of the thread.

I would totally win every battle.

>>2463473

>Having your twenty-story-tall Awakened Castle smash your foes to the ground with a blow from its 100-ton mace has more feel than most can handle, I might add.

That's too silly, though.
Driving castles are silly enough.

>He wouldn't need it, but the other members of the Brunestud name would need it.

Like he gives a shit about them. Only one of them needs to survive for ~2400 years then they're trash. MCB was probably made for combating other Types (he foresaw his own death, why not Gaia's?), and a GIANT ROBO form probably wouldn't be necessary for that.

>>2463471

Hmm... E-rank everything, EX-rank Luck?
Noble Phantasm - All or Nothing
A roulette is rolled for a 1-in-a-million chance (though due to his Luck, it's more like 3-in-4 without interference from the target's Luck). If in his favor, the enemy is defeated. If out, he's stripped from all his luck for an hour.
Could work.

>>2463489

Golems != Robots.

Learn2magic. The form in question would be useful for carrying out sieges and/or stopping stopping hordes of infantry from rushing the castle.

It isn't intelligent enough to act upon its own impulses, and cannot move unless given the order by one who carries the name of Brunestud. The ability is less wondrous than you imagine it to be.

You're picturing a ROBOT MADE OF STONE THAT YOU AN PILOT. A Golem is a partially living being that happens to be constructed from basic materials. You cannot pilot it.

>>2463489
>>2463489

Golems != Robots.

Learn2magic. The form in question would be useful for carrying out sieges and/or stopping hordes of infantry from rushing the castle.

It isn't intelligent enough to act upon its own impulses, and cannot move unless given the order by one who carries the name of Brunestud. The ability is less wondrous than you imagine it to be.

You're picturing a MECHA MADE OF STONE THAT YOU CAN PILOT. A Golem is a partially living being that happens to be constructed from basic materials. You cannot pilot it.

>>2463498

If Brunestud was going to give a COMBAT FORM to MCB he would almost certainly give it at the very least a form of mind-control for direct use.
He's not an idiot and wouldn't trust a brainless contraption to fight in his stead.
He's an anti-world tier fighter anyway, so MCB would have to be anti-world tier to be of any use to him, and as such having it fight "armies" would be a waste of his effort. I stand by my previous theory of made-to-fight-Types.

>>2463257
>Class: Berserker
>Strategist - B

Good luck with that

>>2463488
Oh, I know!

I could also have the Personal Skill "Manipulate" at A, making me capable of tricking anyone into acting according to my will! Together with my class, the result would be that my enemies would gain all of the effects of Madness except for the stat boosts.

>>2463508

The Original Crimson Moon wouldn't stoop to fighting with his neighbors to begin with.
I imagine that the other members of the Brunestud name carried out their conquests against the others in his stead, while he attended to matters worthy of his station.

The 'combat' form you describe here is not so much for combat, but a last-resort defense engineered in mind of the weaker holders of the title of Brunestud. If all is going well, the castle stays asleep.

>>2463524

>The Original Crimson Moon wouldn't stoop to fighting with his neighbors to begin with.

Gaia dies.
Gaia screams "everything still alive here has to die".
Brunestud: BITCHES THIS IS MY WORLD NOW
Enter Type-War.

>The 'combat' form you describe here is not so much for combat, but a last-resort defense engineered in mind of the weaker holders of the title of Brunestud. If all is going well, the castle stays asleep.

Brunestud ruled from MCB himself. If he was going to use it for defense, it has to be world-tier defense. Turning into a giant would not be a great defense for a teleporting battle fortress.
I highly doubt MCB was made for the True Ancestors, as it can only be invoked by the ones he needs for his Reincarnation, not all of them. Why not let any of them use his battle fortress to defend themselves? He only needs them to revive himself, they're worthless pawns otherwise.

Also, the concept of gigantic golems that masquerade as castles is not unknown to the Type-Moon universe.

I have mentioned Merem's own golem, the Lady Windup.

There is another who controls such things, known as Van-Fem, or Valery Fernand Vandelstam.
He has seven giant golems similar to castles under his command, known as the Demon Castles.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Van-Fem

>>2463488
Why a Berserker?

An Archer would get the best use out of it.

By your nature you'd be staying out of their attack range anyway, so there's less chance of something going wrong, your arrows would consistently hit the targets weak points, and always managing to escape when your enemy takes a swing at you.


That or Lancer.

>>2463537

Merem gets whatever the FUCK he feels like. He can dream up the ethereal and silly with no boundaries.

Van-Fem's a Dead Apostle and generally dicks around. His giant castle-LIKE golems are made because he's a puppet master, and nothing about Brunestud has been mentioned about puppets.

>>2462880
Super Sayan Class

>>2463534

>Turning into a giant would not be a great defense for a teleporting battle fortress.

Really?

>I highly doubt MCB was made for the True Ancestors, as it can only be invoked by the ones he needs for his Reincarnation, not all of them.

Precisely so. It is invoked by those who carry the title of Brunestud. They are not as powerful as he was, hence the need for such a thing.
For the Crimson Moon himself, the Millennium Castle was a headquarters of sorts. He did not need it for protection or defense.

I'm Rider class. My noble phantasm is someone else's car.

>>2463553

>>2463551

>Really?

Really. Teleporting battle fortresses don't need legs or limbs.

By the way, I also pictured MCB as being a lot like a Necron Monolith, only bigger and white. That's why I thought it could move.

>Precisely so. It is invoked by those who carry the title of Brunestud. They are not as powerful as he was, hence the need for such a thing.
For the Crimson Moon himself, the Millennium Castle was a headquarters of sorts. He did not need it for protection or defense.

Why bother making something just to defend his pawns?
He needs one Brunestud-clone to make it to the year 3000. Arcueid thus far has only used the MCB as a sleeping bag, and Altrouge hasn't seemed to use it at all.

Also, you got Lady Windup's height wrong. It's only 10 METERs tall, not 10 stories. Very small.

>>2463568
The Crimson Moon did and created a lot of things for its own amusement. The Lord of the Moon could not do without his own palace.

And the title Brunestud is given to True Ancestors who have managed to summon the castle. It's an after the fact sort of title, not something determined by birth.

>>2463568

>Teleporting battle fortresses don't need legs or limbs.

Except that the Millennium Castle can neither battle or teleport. It can be manifested, but unless a Brunestud member is there to do so, it cannot attack anything. Its purpose is to defend, like any other fortification.

>By the way, I also pictured MCB as being a lot like a Necron Monolith, only bigger and white. That's why I thought it could move.

It just looks like a castle, albeit grim and dark and such. Yes, this is canonical. It's really not as exciting as you seem to think it is, which is why I invoked the idea of its Awakening.

>Why bother...defending your pawns?

Why not? Crimson Moon does not seem like the type to throw his pawns away needlessly.

God you guys dense. Nasu, in his amazing superhuman genius, made the Grail War classes insanely imbalanced. The Knight Classes are OP, and will defeat any other class all things being equal; they have strong offense and defense, while other classes may have one very strong stat but at the debilitating expense of other stats. So Caster can go out there with crazy support abilities, but the moment a Knight Class gets her in their sights she's going down hard. Rider actually has to work to drop a skinny little teenager with a metal pipe. Meanwhile, Saber, gimped with an incredibly weak master and constantly starved to the very brink for mana, can hold her own with any other servant.

So, you'd have to be stupid not be a Saber, or AT LEAST one of the other Knights. Berskerker is also an option.

>>2463593
If your pawn can't defend itself there's no need for it.

>>2463606

You'd make a very bad chess player.

>>2463601
Since its not a real game, it doesn't have to be balanced. There's a reason Rin wanted to get Saber at all costs.

>>2463589

I don't remember him doing much just for sheer entertainment, other than messing with other beings of power (like Merem Solomon). Most of his actions (True Ancestor making, Battle of the Falling Moon) were in his plot to conquer Earth.

And then all the Castle serves for is a beacon so that a True Ancestor is capable of his Revival. It wouldn't be anything but for show, then.

>>2463593

>Except that the Millennium Castle can neither battle or teleport. It can be manifested, but unless a Brunestud member is there to do so, it cannot attack anything. Its purpose is to defend, like any other fortification.

"Teleportation" being invoking in other locations, perhaps over short or large distances. It's definitely not stationary.
And why can't it fight? It has tremendous amounts of chains, which are apparently the True Ancestor item-of-choice.

>It just looks like a castle, albeit grim and dark and such. Yes, this is canonical. It's really not as exciting as you seem to think it is, which is why I invoked the idea of its Awakening.

What's not awesome about a bigass teleporting battle fortress?
Even if it can't fight, it's still a bigass teleporting fortress.

>Why not? Crimson Moon does not seem like the type to throw his pawns away needlessly.

Pawns are worthless in the light of the Queen.
In fact, that's all the True Ancestors are. He needs them to get to the other side of the board and become a Queen.

>>2463007

Can I still be Rider?

>>2463608
The whole chess thing falls apart beyond the idea of pawns being the lowest on the ladder.


If I headed an organization of highly powerful beings why would I bother using my own power or the power of others to protect the ones I have no use for?

>>2463601

Here's your problem.

>and will defeat any other class all things being equal

Caster and Assassin do NOT fight on equal grounds.
Caster camps in his Workshop and slings deathspells from afar, and any Servant idiotic enough to wander into the Workshop would normally be obliterated.
Assassin doesn't fight. He assassinates.

>Rider actually has to work to drop a skinny little teenager with a metal pipe

When invoked by Shinji, the only Master worse than Shirou, and not on her fucking Pegasus.

>"Teleportation" being invoking in other locations, perhaps over short or large distances. It's definitely not stationary.

Unless it is manifested elsewhere, for all intents and purpose it's stationary, as in it stays where it is put. It doesn't move by itself.

>And why can't it fight? It has tremendous amounts of chains, which are apparently the True Ancestor item-of-choice.

The chains are there to bind. Not for combat.

>What's not awesome about a bigass teleporting battle fortress? Even if it can't fight, it's still a bigass teleporting fortress.

It's not much different from an ordinary castle in that respect. Yes, one can manifest it in another place. That's a mere gimmick compared to what even Dead Apostles can do.

You are forgetting the fact that all the servants in 5th was uberhax, the knight classes were hax beyond comparsion. them being all the "never were defeated" tier, they were the haxest heroes you can think of, pretty much.
The closest anyone got to "mediocre" was Sasaki who was in fact uberhax as well, but always fought on the motherfucking stairs. Sucks to be him.

>>2463633

>Unless it is manifested elsewhere, for all intents and purpose it's stationary, as in it stays where it is put. It doesn't move by itself.

If it can be invoked in different locations, what's to stop rapid-fire invocation over short distances, equivocating to teleportation?

>The chains are there to bind. Not for combat.

Maybe, maybe not. Massive chain tentacle lashing would be an excellent combat method.

>It's not much different from an ordinary castle in that respect. Yes, one can manifest it in another place. That's a mere gimmick compared to what even Dead Apostles can do.

It probably has other gimmicks, but giant-robo-castle just seems too far out.

Thread about Servant powerlevels and Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 arguing about powers Arcueid doesn't really have?

/jp/ Type-Moon in a nutshell!

I've been around guns my whole life as a child, and I own a few myself now that I'm an adult. I've only fired them on the shooting range, but I think Archer suits me. that and the whole "independent action" thing.

>>2463640
Heroes can be from the future, right?

Why hasn't any hero simply got some uberhax autohit weapon from the future?

>>2463661
This isn't how it works. If there was such a weapon, then the weapon would be the hero, not the guy wielding it, because he is replaceable.

>>2463641

>If it can be invoked in different locations, what's to stop rapid-fire invocation over short distances, equivocating to teleportation?

And? It's still not going anywhere by itself, unless a Brunestud is willing it to go these places.

>equivocating to teleportation?

Pray tell, what is so ambiguous about teleportation?
equivocating
One entry found.

Main Entry:
equiv·o·cate
Pronunciation:
\i-ˈkwi-və-ˌkāt\
Function:
intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
equiv·o·cat·ed; equiv·o·cat·ing
Date:
1590

1 : to use equivocal language especially with intent to deceive 2 : to avoid committing oneself in what one says

>Maybe, maybe not. Massive chain tentacle lashing would be an excellent combat method.

That would be really, really awesome, but the chains do not work that way.

>It probably has other gimmicks, but giant-robo-castle just seems too far out.

Not really. There's far more wacky shit in Tsukihime. You want a moving BATTLE FORTRESS? You'll get one. Having the castle uproot itself and move on two legs, fighting with two hands and an array of siege weaponry is the epitome of a moving BATTLE FORTRESS.
And you can't tell me that the enemy wouldn't brown their pants right away upon seeing that happen.

>>2463661

The only way to get Servants from the future is to have natural affinity with them, or that you have an item that they will come to possess.
4/5ths of all the Servants summoned thus far had catalysts from past items of the Servant.
Heroes are also very rare in the modern era, what with humans not needing the concept of "heroes" to believe in for morale.
Also, future Servants are notoriously weak physically due to their lack of renown.

>>2463652

>Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 arguing about powers Arcueid doesn't really have?

We're brainstorming. Quit harshing the creative process.

And the subject is the Millennium Castle Brunestud, not myself.

>>2463661
because then it'll look no different from Saber's Beam sword or Archer's Tactical Nuke arrows

>>2463678

>And? It's still not going anywhere by itself, unless a Brunestud is willing it to go these places.

Yeah, and Brunestud himself could use it to jump around. A teleporting platform might actually be of use to him, as he's not 3 kilometers long like his buddies.

>Pray tell, what is so ambiguous about teleportation?

I meant "equating". Grammar fails me.

>Not really. There's far more wacky shit in Tsukihime. You want a moving BATTLE FORTRESS? You'll get one. Having the castle uproot itself and move on two legs, fighting with two hands and an array of siege weaponry is the epitome of a moving BATTLE FORTRESS.

HUMANOID FORTRESSES ARE STUPID IN MY OPINION WHICH CONFLICTS WITH YOUR OPINION
- END ARGUMENT

>>2463689
But it'd be a massively less power drain on prana being tech-powered instead of magic powered.

Though I guess not many mages would like that.

>>2463678
I'd be more afraid of Arceuied herself than a massive moving Castle.

Call me crazy, but the thing wouldn't be very fast if we're allowing any kind of logic into this. and if we put just a bit more logic into it then it's outright impossible for such a large thing to be made out of stone and support it's own weight.

Arcueid however can move beyond average human sight, and being sentient is capable of malicious behavior, something the Castle wouldn't be capable of.

Why is that important? Because against either one I'm going to die, but the Castle won't drag my death out.

>>2463718
>it's outright impossible for such a large thing to be made out of stone and support it's own weight
Don't mention that when it's hovering above you, fool!

>>2463661
Servant Archer, heroic spirit Gun God Godo?

Depends on whether Alaya takes people in after Gaia died or not. But should be possible, so enjoy original Black Barrel in yer face.

>>2463718

>Arcueid however can move beyond average human sight, and being sentient is capable of malicious behavior, something the Castle wouldn't be capable of.

Well, I hold that if MBC has battle capabilities they'd have a function to be directly controlled by the invoker of the castle.

>>2463739

Right.

But it's not like whoevers holding the reigns can say "Crush him A little without killing him!"

At just about any velocity an impact from something with that weight would kill me.

>>2463735

How the TRIPLE FLYING FUCK could you get Black Barrel in a magical function like the Holy Grail War?

It's LITERALLY SOLID ANTI-MAGIC.

>>2463695

>HUMANOID FORTRESSES ARE STUPID IN MY OPINION WHICH CONFLICTS WITH YOUR OPINION

That's not the point. You were attempting to discredit my opinion by insisting that such things don't exist in the Tsukihime universe.

I do not demand that my fancies are given canonical status, but the idea itself is not quite so out-of-place as you would have me believe.

>>2463718

Let me paint a picture for you.

You are the liege lord of a decent fiefdom. You have protected your borders well, your peasants are satisfied with your rule so far, and you have a vanguard of one hundred mounted knights.
You have made your home in a keep, defended by a garrison of five hundred souls.

All this is not good enough for you. You want to expand your borders a little.
Your northern neighbor is a mysterious princess, rumored to be all alone in her grim castle, with only a small van from the Church acting as her personal guard. You sense that now might be the time to make inroads on your northerly neighbor.

So, you mount up and lead your vanguard into the North. There lies the Millennium Castle Brunestud in solitude. Like any good combatant, you set out your siege engines and proceed to deliver a declaration of war.

Then the castle pulls itself from the ground, ripping away great chunks of Earth and rock, shaking the ground beneath you so badly that you are thrown from your horse. It rises to its feet, towering over you like a faceless, monolithic giant.

Needless to say, your entire army would break and run at this point.

>>2463718

>I'd be more afraid of Arceuied herself than a massive moving Castle.

And rightly so. Be afraid, be very afraid.

>>2463751
Okay, and let me paint the reverse picture.

You're a Superhuman, immortal to any attack from human weapons, numbers mean nothing. Fear means nothing. Death means nothing.


The fuck is the point?

>>2463751

>That's not the point. You were attempting to discredit my opinion by insisting that such things don't exist in the Tsukihime universe.
>I do not demand that my fancies are given canonical status, but the idea itself is not quite so out-of-place as you would have me believe.

I think it's just too silly for the ultimate devious mastermind and king of the moon would waste effort creating a frivolous robo-mode for his fortress. However, he needed SOME use for his fortress (why would he make it for no reason?), and it seems like it could be a titan in combat without superfluous limbs, using the chains that are all over it (which would be the simplest method of combat, instead of a freaking humanoid-castle mode. Occam's Razor, yo).

>>2463766

That is when the owner of the castle comes out to personally duel you.

>>2463766

My theoretical standpoint is to battle things which ARE a threat, that being Type-Mercury to Type-Pluto.

>>2463773
No, I mean, you're the owner of the Castle and there's nothing on Earth capable of harming you.

What's the point in making your home a weapon when you can just take a stroll outside and unmake the enemy.

If nothing else, it seems like it'd be more fun that way.

Wait so how did Gaea die anyway?

>>2463772

He's Crimson Moon. Breathing life into a castle is hardly difficult for him. He can drop the moon on the Earth. Manipulating rock and stone would be nothing. There is nothing frivolous about a massive Rock Golem.

Plus, the chains you keep mentioning don't work that way.

>>2463780

>What's the point in making your home a weapon when you can just take a stroll outside and unmake the enemy.

What's the point of having Primate Murder as your bodyguard?

What's the point of owning Avalon?

What's the point of using Enuma Elish?

>>2463746
ALL THE BETTER TO HIT YOU WITH

>>2463795
what's the point of BEING AWESOME

>>2463795
Shits and giggles mostly.


I mean can you imagine that?

It'd be like playing Dynasty Warriors only you're Ten thousand Lu Bus compressed into one Monsterous killing machine.

>>2463718
>I'd be more afraid of Arceuied herself than a massive moving Castle.

WORSHIP - THE DEVASTATING RED MOON.

>>2463799

I rest my case.

Type X does not need a reason Z to do a thing Y.

>>2463781

Nobody knows.
Potential idea is that Alaya turns on her somehow, as humans alone survive it.

>>2463780

What about the non-Earth things which are confirmed to be STRONGER than you?

>>2463787

What's to stop the freaking chains from working that way? They're all over the damn castle (including massive ones going top-to-bottom in the massive hall), not just on Arc's little straitjacket-tombstone.

>>2463795

Sometimes there ARE threats to you (Gaia considers humans a threat), sometimes there are not (Brunestud didn't, but look what Zel pulled off).

>>2463746
Not necessarily. It's just a way to pull energy out of Alaya directly, to wipe out your enemies, there is very few of weapons with an "no Alaya download limit lol", but i.e. Slash Emperor's arm or Enuma Elish(which is also slightly possibly the same thing).

There is nobody in Akasha that would need more than, say, twice the output of excalibur to defeat. The Corrupted Grail has like ten thousand the amount, so in the whole Alaya/Counterforce it wouldn't steal too much power and as such wouldn't be canceled.

It also depends on how Ea works, it may steal Gil's mana as much as Excalibur did from Saber and it may really just pull it from Gaia, but judging from how strong "Utanapishtim"(the strongest attack Gil can pull out of it) is, being said as four times the output of Excalibur, I'd say that is no problem and he really doesn't get take the mana needed for Ea from the basement kids.

>>2463819

But Black Barrel is a CATALYST.
When it touches magic, the magic is annihilated, but it is not.

If you were to touch the Holy Grail with it, the Holy Grail and all its massive incomprehensible wealth of mana is GONE.
If you were to open the Root to the Origin and fire a bullet in there, you very much might destroy the entire fucking universe.

>>2463818

>What's to stop the freaking chains from working that way?

They're already in use keeping the castle from tearing itself apart when it manifests, not just for decoration. Those chains are already serving a purpose, they do not work as you imagine.

Someone needs to join EXCALIBUR with diffraction.

Multi-anti-unit beam spam.

>>2463818
The chains are manifestations of Arcueid's will to arrest herself and the castle. They don't move it. They keep it rooted and unchanging. Dead.

Humans can survive without Gaia, but humans are a part of Gaia. We're environmental terrorists.

>>2463543
I was actually trying to loosely base it on my own abilities, though embellished to be legendary and worthy of a heroic spirit.

I pretty much suck at everything except for my great luck, my ability to get people to bend over backwards for me, and my tendency to lose around half of my sanity when properly provoked--which, strangely, always seems to pair well with my manipulative skills rather than diminish them.

If I had a Noble Phantasm, it would almost certainly be a Reality Marble of some sort. Still working on exactly what it would do without making it too broken. However, I wouldn't be able to use it, so I guess I could make it God Mode without any worries. ...Heracles also had a Noble Phantasm he couldn't use because of his class.

>>2463795
and hang on a sec there.

I don't really know who Primate Murder is, but at the least Saber needed Avalon to not die when people stabbed her.

And I guess Gilgamesh needed Enuma Elish to make slaughtering mongrels easier.

>>2463846
>I don't really know who Primate Murder is
A dog-vampire-thing. Its name is also its job description, and it's supposed to take several Counter Guardians to bring it down.

>>2463835
>>2463840

Why would MBC rip itself apart? Does Arc not have a proper manifestation of it?
If so, what's to stop the chains from being weaponized under the true master of Brunestud?

>Humans can survive without Gaia, but humans are a part of Gaia. We're environmental terrorists.

Alaya relies on Gaia, but it might grow apart from it at some point.

>>2463840

>The chains are manifestations of Arcueid's will to arrest herself and the castle. They don't move it. They keep it rooted and unchanging. Dead.

Exactly. They are already serving a purpose, unlike what the very insistent Anon seems to believe.

>>2463863
Primate Murder isn't a vampire. Altrouge just convinced it to start drinking blood, too. It's a choice, with it.

>>2463833
Really? As I understood it:
it fires "the amount of energy needed to destroy the target". Which, in the case of Saturn, is quite a large part of current Alaya potential and Godo, being a pure human, can not even pull energy out of anywhere else. So, I guess if he fired it at Gaia he wouldn't even have enough energy to destroy it, let alone him being destroyed by suddenly appearing Archer doing his job alright.

>>2463865

>If so, what's to stop the chains from being weaponized under the true master of Brunestud?

Then they are merely being used. You are implying that the castle can bring itself to life and start flailing around with its chains, when in reality the chains do not work that way.

And there's no reason to use the chains in that manner, when you have far more powerful abilities at your disposal.

>>2463870
It's not a vampire, but it's a dog-vampire-thing.

Compare ORT. Also not technically a vampire, but treated as one at times.

>>2463873

I thought the properties of the weapon was to deal damage in inverse of however much "Grain" (pure, unfiltered Ether, the source of magical energy) the target holds, and Types are comprised of infinite energy, so infinite damage.

>>2463888

There could simply be multiple uses for the goddamn chains.

>>2463890
If I choose to start drinking people's blood, I'm just psychotic. ORT absorbs people's blood in some physiological fashion for some unknown reason. Primate Murder just drinks it because it can, not that it actually needs it.

ORT = pseudo vampire. Primate Murder = insane.

Not a vampire.

>>2463896

They do not work that way. Ren already clearly laid out the uses of the chains, what don't you understand about them?

>>2463897

There's no known reason as to why ORT (or Brunestud for that matter) enjoys drinking blood.

If it drinks blood, it's a vampire. This is by the doctrine of the Church. If you went crazy and started drinking blood, you would be a vampire, albeit not a Dead Apostle or even a member of The Dead.

>>2463906

I do not remember this, for some reason.

Whatever. Even excluding the chains, there's no need for the Millennium Castle to be a weaponized item at all. Or it could simply have unknown capabilities, which you say are Giant Robot Mode and I say might be chains or chain-like things or lasers or something I dunno everything's better with lasers.

>>2463907
Akiha drinks blood to siphon off "heat," but is not considered a vampire by the Church, hence Ciel doesn't have a necessity to kill her. The reason you take blood is a consideration to whether the Church classifies you as a true vampire or not, and thus is required to hunt you.

>Its name is also its job description

Awesome.


>>2463844

Oh.

Well if we're back to that, I guess I'd be Saber since the only relatively practical combat skills I have are from Fencing.

Noble Phantasm would be Foil, Saber and Epee. Each with simple Physical enhancements as I wield them.

Foil would be Half a rank to all skills, Saber would be a full rank to Strength, and Epee would be a rank to Agility and half a rank to Luck.

Main tactic would be disengaging and disarming the opponent with a technique that forces me to drop my weapon at the same time the enemy does, but I can go ahead and grab another one right away while they'd need to hunt their weapons down.

>>2463919

How about a Golem with Laser cannons on its 'shoulders'?

My servant is more broken than yours.

Class: Caster
Str: E Agl: D Man: A+ Lck: C End: C
Alliagnment: Neutral Evil

Skills:

Power of the Endless - Can ressurrect anyone or anything regardless of almost any situation.

Summon Seven Stakes of Purgatory - roughly Rank C stat melee servants who can transform into stakes and their offensive power goes to B.

Summon Goat Servants - Rank D servants, supply limited only by mana.

Golden Land: A virtual-reality zone in which anything the caster wishes can come true, and only the magic of the caster who created it works while within it'ss boundries.

Noble Phantasm:

Shoulder War Towers and Epulates - Anti-Army - EX: 4 giant battle towers manned by thousands of heavenly soldiers firing giant ballistas. Reputed to have held against an assault of 5000 heroes.

Agies Shield - Defense - EX: Absolute defensive shield of the Gods, cannot be pieced by any attack.

Lightning Storm - Anti-Army - A+: A terrible storm of 20,000 bolts of lightning fall from the sky.

>>2463907
Actually, it defines you as a vampire anyways. Nasu nonsense or not.

What kind of blood and how you acquire it determines what type you are. There are 4 classifications (conveneintly 1-4). IIRC it goes as follows
1 - animal blood (don't think it matters how obtained)
2 - own blood, taken by cutting self
3 - human blood, forcibly taken from dead
4 - other human blood, taken by force from the living

>>2463922

Well, apparently "to keep myself under control" is allowed, but "because it tastes good" is not.

>>2463922
I was under the impression that Primate Murder was included among the Dead Apostles. Is this wrong?

>>2463941

That is a concept I can get behind, for some reason.

I don't know how a simple addition converted my entire standpoint, but it did.

Fuck yes, it's like it's really Alexander!

Also autosage.

>>2463952

Dead Apostle ANCESTORS, only half of which are actually Dead Apostles.

>>2463943

>Power of the Endless - Can ressurrect anyone or anything regardless of almost any situation.

You have to cut that shit off the list.

Replicating Heaven's Feel = why the fuck do you even need the Heaven's Feel tournament?

>>2463961
>Fuck yes, it's like it's really Alexander!

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought of this when I heard the phrase Walking castle golem of doom.

>>2463993

Well, I only made the connection when it started shooting lasers.

>>2464002
Good enough for me.

>>2463943
She's actually quite chaotic... she's supposed to waste resources to humiliate defeated enemies even more.

Or I don't understand how this stuff is decided.

>>2463808
What is this?

>>2463756
>>2463808
What is this? Melty Blood Manga?

How is it?