/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>24218432
I want a loli to teach me Japanese.

>>24218432
I get into into spurts where I study for a few months then drop it for a few years until I get motivated again. No bully.

If you know a place that has a free 3 month course that teaches me enough to accurately translate shit, I'll do it.

>>24218514
Read the guide on the /djt/ OP
It has worked for plenty of people.

because I don't read VNs or watch Vtubers, I just fucking cum

>>24218432
because

it's got a very tiny number of speakers, and most of the ones who are worth a damn can speak some english.

And there's more manga, VN, anime, cinema than I could ever hope to consume, so much of the high quality shit is already translated or will be.

>>24218432
If I learned japanese for the sole purpose of hearing a jap play a kusoge with an avatar, I’d just kill myself

>>24218514
>This is the absolute state of fan translation

>>24219302
Mfw I started learning 5 years ago and ended up there anyway

>>24218432
You killed your thread before it even started.

vtubers actively make me want to not learn japanese

>>24219415
Who are you quoting?

>>24219227
>>24219227

since this is not on-topic idol
these trannishitfuks do fucing nothing

thats how fucking retarded these fucking shiposters mods are
everybody can see it

>>24218432
I started recently. Been studying every single day for three weeks straight now. It's actually quite fun, specially when you start reading manga and what was a bunch of meaningless lines are now words.
Should've started 5 years ago, but I had that stupid mentality of "it's too hard" or "it's going to take too long".

>>24219227
>>24219227

since this is not on-topic idol
these trannishitfuks do fucking nothing
thy are here
policing and prtoecting theri shitpost spam

thats how fucking retarded these fucking shiposters mods are
everybody can see it

>>24222809
Hi sally go kill yourself

>>24218432
Why would anyone learn a new language in 2020? In the age of smart phones and voice recognition, you can translate just about anyone and anything on the fly. Learning a new language has never been more of a waste of time than it is today.

>>24218432
Considering it took me a fucking decade to become "fluent" in English and nearly forgot my first language in the process, I'm not too sure how feasible it would be to learn another language.

>>24222809
Is this the part where you do this?
>>24207162

>>24222665
What's a simple/easy manga to read? People usually say Yotsubato. What are some other easy ones?

>>24223551
noob, it only took me around 6 to me
>>24224479
any manga with kanjitomo app

>>24223623
implying that Sally is smart enough to do that
wwwwww

>>24219227
>>24219227

mods truly are retarded fuckshit shitposters fucks

>>24226111
Fuck off sally

>>24218432
too busy getting all the 2hu world records

>>24227085
the last one is dying irl playing lunatic mode

Did the stupid mods move a bunch of trash threads here or what?

I've learned it, now I'm on korean

It's an awful thread, janny, and you know it.

retarded fuckshits mods get paid for being shitposters spammer cunts

>>24219227
>>24219227

It's shit.

>>24223002
you're on a board with a vn translation beggar thread

>>24228827
He's not totally wrong. For most people it is a waste of time because they don't care if they get machine translation quality. Many people will even pay for it. Machine translations of light novels see significant donations. The real purpose of the vnts thread is to allow the blessed Japanese literate here to laugh at the tragicomedy that is visual novel licensing in the west.

>>24223002
Google Translate is really bad with Japanese. The voice recognition is even worse since Japanese is filled with homophones and has a fairly small number of unique sounds, plus Japanese people speak extremely fast and tend to slur or drop particles which sends the speech translate into a death spiral. Japanese people also are much nicer to you when you speak to them in Japanese rather than shove a phone in their face, but that kind of goes without saying.

>>24218432
I am working out instead. I am about to be 30 soon. I plan to try and get an old lady in Japan or something and be taken care of. Maybe apply to be a rental boyfriend.

I've studied Japanese on and off for 5 years and its awful
Every word has at least 3 distinguishable meanings and most words have at least 3 or 4 homophones that all mean different things and have different kanji spellings.

I already did. Thank god I'm not an EOP

>>24223002
This would be an ok argument if it wasn't retarded. Look at the state of machine translation and tell me that it's better than barely-passable. You can't because it isn't.

>>24218432
I am. All my favorite idol shows are unsubbed and it’s quicker to learn a language than to wait for them to gain the attention of a subbing group.

>>24218832
>i just fucking cum
/thread

>>24218432
but i am
>>24222665
based and 頑張って anon
the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, 2nd best time is today

>>24218832
basado

>>24218852
>can speak some english.
They know some words, and can probably introduce themselves, but even highly educated ones can barely communicate. This is mostly wishful thinking and an excuse

You can't force someone without the will to learn to learn though.

>>24218432
because reading or understanding the japanese media is not for me, I experience it and come to my own conclusion.
that conclusion is normally quite different from the source because I couldn't understand shit, however.

>>24247436
basado onu woto?

>>24218432
I started learning Japanese around eight years ago, pushed myself into dictionary-reading in 2, then conversational level in 4, and didn't improve a single bit since then since all I consume is grade-school shit like anime, manga, music, LPs and vtubers and what I have is good enough.

>>24223551
Why do you need to get all-round fluent in japanese just to consume media? Are you a retard? Just improve your listening/reading comprehension skills. It also helps that Japanese grammar is extremely simple compared to English.

>>24237239
>Every word has at least 3 distinguishable meanings
They are mostly related
>most words have at least 3 or 4 homophones that all mean different things and have different kanji spellings
漢語 is homophone heavy because of the nature of 音読み. There are exceptions but in general 音読み for 漢語 and 訓読み for 和語.

>>24218832

>>24218432
But I am..

since no general up:
I am confused. How am I supposed to know when to drop vowels like in:
ございます
Which is apparently pronounced "Gozaimas" instead of "Gozaimasu"?

>>24255231
You just need to know it. The 'u' is generaly silent for words ending with "masu", same thing for the 'i' in words ending with "shita".

>>24222665
Just started today, been watching Namasensei's Japanese Course, how long do you study for each day, was planning on doing somewhere between 30 - 60 mins.

>>24219591
This.

>>24219591
Why?

>>24256865
>>24219591
imagine crippling yourself to spite a group of people who will never know or care about the brave stand you made against them

I am learning Japanese, tho

>>24251345
tu madre sobre mi pene

>>24256800
>"studying" instead of reading loli h-manga

>>24229732
>speaking to 3DPD Nips
holy fuk

>>24259810
Who are you quoting?
And reading native stuff is studying. So you don't read loli h-manga instead of studying, you study by reading cute little lolis getting pounded by fat men

Because I'm not Chinese.

>>24218432
http://www.stmoroky.com/links/sywtlj.htm

>>24263212
The tongue-in-cheek lesson there is that it's a lot of effort for understanding the language, which by itself doesn't really lead to the ends that most people are looking for going into it.

I picked it up for eroge like >>24253016 , and now I'm at a level that it isn't a headache to go through doujinshi without a dictionary, though I'll still hit vocab I am unfamiliar with.

>>24218514
lmao
3 months just to translate shit? anon, have you ever looked at the writing system?
also why courses? there's /djt/ on both /jp/ and /int/ which have a fuckton of info and resources

>>24259653
Why are virtual shill huge drama whores?

>>24255231
it's all listening practice, some people will not drop sounds, some people will drop a lot. kansai dialect for 私 is fucking わい

>>24263392
>3 months just to translate shit? anon, have you ever looked at the writing system?
For basic stuff (like most R18 doujinshi), You could definitely get to that level confidently in three months if you dedicate several hours a day to real reading practice, especially with google's character handwrite system to grab unknown characters for mining.
I didn't, it was more like 6 months to a year for me, but I also gave it less effort.

I was planning to go for my JLPT N4 exam this year but the Kung Flu got in the way.

>>24268563
basic stuff sounds lame, but maybe that's all you need. any reason to learn japanese is good

>>24268563
You shouldn't be translating anything at 3 months, no matter how "basic" the vocabulary is. This is why the general state of translations is so atrocious.

>>24274299
>You shouldn't be translating anything at 3 months
Cool.
Since we're talking about time frames, when should I be translating stuff?

>>24274948
When you're confident you know both Japanese and whatever language you're translating into. A good indication is when you no longer make assumptions about what something probably means or get confused by sentence endings.

>>24274978
>A good indication is when you no longer make assumptions about what something probably means or get confused by sentence endings.
That was me about 6-8 months for most doujinshi, and that's looking back from ~4 years. Today I just read doujinshi a bit slower than I would in English, actually understand it without translating it into English, and add a word to my mining deck every so often.

And I was only spending more than 2 hours a day on it on the weekends in those 6-8 months.

>>24275131
Translation is a skill that requires comprehension ability in the source language as well as composition ability in the target language. Just because you can figure out what's going on in Japanese doesn't necessarily mean you can translate. Improving any skill requires practical application of that skill, but that does not mean you need to flood the internet with poor quality translations as you attempt to improve. Ultimately I guess it all comes down to your personal perception of your ability, but being confident you're capable doesn't mean you are. Of course I can't do anything to stop you from releasing tons of garbage translations, and I really doubt most of the people reading them care one little bit, since a lot of them have no standards at all.

>>24275909
>Of course I can't do anything to stop you from releasing tons of garbage translations, and I really doubt most of the people reading them care one little bit, since a lot of them have no standards at all.
Yeah that's basically the long of the short. I did it for free, after all, which is exactly -$0.01 below the price people are willing to pay for what I translated.

>>24218432
But I am learning japanese. I watch subbed anime every day.

>>24218514
>3 month course that teaches me enough to accurately translate shit

>>24218432
I've just begun trying to learn Japanese with spare time from being laid off and not having much to do from day to day. I hope to one day have enough mulah to take at least a shorter language course in Japan at one of those schools!
desu, vtubers are what got me to finally get down to trying to learn finally. So far so good! I've managed to keep motivation for two weeks now!

>>24275909
Is it worse to degrade the author's work with bad translations, or for their work to never be known by English-speaking audiences at all?

>>24275909
>I really doubt most of the people reading them care one little bit, since a lot of them have no standards at all.
This is why I, another poster, don't bother translating eromanga. I could literally rewrite the whole thing and no one would give a single shit nor re-translate it, and someone else would upload it to sadpanda for e-points.

Even more so after years here seeing how much people use questionable translations of Touhou comments in arguments.

>>24278043
From an ideological perspective I'd say the former, since it's highly likely the work was made exclusively for a Japanese audience to begin with. Additionally, I don't know why someone as a translator would care enough about a work to be willing to translate it, but not care enough to hold real concern over the quality of their translations. This is especially true for fan translators, since they're not getting paid, meaning the only reason they have left is either internet points or passion. From a practical perspective, outside of piracy concerns I don't think most authors care how shit the translations of their works are, assuming they even understand how bad they might be. For much the same reason they don't care when "offensive" things are removed from their work for a western audience. So the author doesn't care, the reader doesn't care, if it's an official translation the author might even see a few pennies on the dollar. The only ones left caring are people such as myself who spend too much time worrying about these sorts of things.

>>24278043
Liberal translations are basically slander.

>>24278379
Shut up you autismal cunt.

>>24278532
>autismal cunt

>>24278379
Literal translations only work for Murakami novels

I will never be able to learn japanese, it's just too hard. Actually I can't even believe if someone tell me they learned it. Seems absolutely impossible to me.

>>24279327
>Actually I can't even believe if someone tell me they learned it. Seems absolutely impossible to me.
I mean you're talking to someone who can read doujinshi and basic news articles. It was several years of adderall-induced obsession for me, but it was all outside of Japan and self-taught.

>>24218432
It's a shit language to learn

>>24279957
You're wrong

>>24279327
What is so hard about japanese except for kanji?

>>24218432
I'm really good at technical/mathematical self taught stuff but I'm terrible at humanist stuff unless I have a proper teacher, and there are no Japanese teachers in my city

Why people has been shilling vtubers so fiercely on /jp/? They are just twitch whores with a mask. Hell even having idol threads is pushing it too far in here

Only a couple more exams until I have the free time to properly learn japanese.
And if everything goes well, I'll be able to do an internship over there as well.

>>24218432
But I do, Anon!

>>24280432
>They are just twitch whores with a mask.
Think of them as anime characters who play video games.

>>24280432
>>24280580
Actually to expand on this, think of them like idolmaster where they are imaginary idols, but the focus is on the character played and not the voice behind them. Although some people are turning it into a (touhou)cookie like situation where they're trying to pry into and dox the actors behind the characters.

>>24278043
>bad translations
This one's worse. Just by existing, it gives lower quality translators incentive and excuses to put less work into their own translations.
The bar gets lower and lower until you're essentially reading fanfiction and the web is flooded with low effort shit that attracts shitposters like shit attracts flies.
Crunchyroll is a prime example of this issue, you don't really get higher quality subs because they keep pumping out their shlock.

>>24280297
The kanji is not enough?

>>24280580
>>24280612
It's e-celeb worship no matter how you slice it.
VTuber fags are also absolute scum and it only takes a single look into one of their generals to realize this.

>>24218432
I did really badly in mandatory High School second-language classes, and that permanently embittered me towards the idea of learning another language.

>>24219591
You're fucking cringe

>>24280580
>>24280612
>>24280787
Bros I tried watching some vtuber, one of the famous ones Korone and it was so fucking fake, like, it was like a plastic shit.

She was making cute noises and acting as stupid and dumb as possible it would make you feel as if you were some braindead kid being entertained with a kindergarten teacher

>>24282882
Low T

>>24282882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNITQR4Uso

>>24282735
You need to go back.

Their writing system is shit. There's a reason why majority of the world dropped ancient writing systems in favor of the modern English alphabet. You don't need every possible mix of syllables to have their own symbol.
It's only a matter of time, despite hindu arabic being the superior numeral system it took long for roman numerals to be phased out.
The average human has low IQ, memorizing 9 numbers and 26 letters will allow a normal person learn exponentially in a short amount of time. 26 + 9 is short enough to remember and long enough to form complex words. Humans can also better compute mentally and visually by using hindu arabic and the decimal system. Don't fall for the muh binary muh hex meme as computers are more fit for those. Many retards struggle basic match operations x÷, including 2 digit +-, heck fail to remember where they last placed their phone/car keys, yet expect to remember such amount of kanji.
Most japs understand romanized nihonggo anyways, and part of the magic is that it's foreign. Once you understand them, exaggerated accents will sound pure cringe.like all e-thots.
Now excuse me anons as I listen to yandere voice works (genki is trash).

It's too hard, I've been "studying" every day. Doing anki reps and reading, but I still don't even understand the most basic shit like yostubato. It's been 10 months since I started. I guess it's because I don't understand the grammar, just read tae kim once and thats it. I'm a dekinai

>>24283438
>yet expect to remember such amount of kanji.
This may come as a surprise to you, but millions of children learn kanji without any issues. But I guess it's too much to expect /jp/sies to be as smart as 7 year old kids.

Eroge. Not dealing with translations is worth it. My decision point was when I had to deal with a translation that was clearly machine translated. Total bullcrap edited by monkeys. And no other group wanted to retranslate, so that work remained tainted forever.

After a few years, I can read this.

>>24275909
>>24274299

For the love of god please listen to this anon, anons. I don't care as much anymore since I'm now reading/watching any Japanese material in Japanese, but no translations is better than misleading translations. Japanese is really a hard language, its apparent simplicity in some aspects is what makes it so easy to trip yourself and miss(/-interpret) important meaning that natives get. You might make a decent translation 95% of the time and then completely woosh over some confusing point/joke/double meaning.

It's fine if you want to translate for fun (although your time would be probably better spent getting input and training your mind to actually think in Japanese at this stage), but please tag your translations as done by a newb if you publish it. I'm a bit less than 1 year of intensive study in, and while I could probably pull out some easy translations, I wouldn't dream of doing professional level work right now.

I can understand the spoken portion to a decent extent but that writing system...I really don't want to devote the time and effort to learn kanji, even if it's not as bad as people claim it is.

>>24284295
Huh, so this is what Mareni reads like. I remember seeing screenshots like that 5 years ago and they seemed incredibly intimidating at the time. It's a weird feeling to realize I've become able to read that.

>>24282882
>She was making cute noises and acting as stupid and dumb as possible it would make you feel as if you were some braindead kid being entertained with a kindergarten teacher
So typical anime.

>>24280787
>It's e-celeb worship no matter how you slice it.
Celeb worship is celeb worship. Character worship is character worship. What you have is a problem with the fundamentals of otaku liking cute anime characters. Throw out your figs.

>>24280758
>Crunchyroll is a prime example of this issue, you don't really get higher quality subs because they keep pumping out their shlock.
Even though they're shit, the average subber around the time they came into prominence was either a "duwang"-tier shitter or a troll who put fundamentally correct subs but as memey as possible. Fansubbing was dying and half the shit available wouldn't be nowadays if not for them. At least non mainstream and/or good anime will still sometimes not be touched and get fansubs, as questionable as they may be.

Crunchyroll's bigger problem is probably supporting censorship by offering the most censored versions of anime.

>>24280580
I tried but they aren't as entertaining as anime girls. I tried to watch korone streams and all she does is make cute noises 90% of the time and the other 10% is just babbling like a baby. I just don't understand the appeal of vtubers. They release hours of content each day but the content itself is vapid and they do shit job at being entertaining. why waste copious amount of hours on them when you can just consume actual otaku media?

>>24285481
>So typical anime
Even CGDCT anime like K-on have girls with strong character other than just being cute and dumb, and anime dialogues is written to be entertaining.

>>24284420
Try KanjiDamage.
Or try reading manga full of furigana.
Or both.

>>24285481
I don't know what anime you watch but the typical vtuber is on another level of retardation.
Plus many use voice filters that amplifies the cheesiness.

>>24285834
>They release hours of content each day but the content itself is vapid and they do shit job at being entertaining
Just like 3D youtubers.

>>24286241
What for? I could just watch subbed anime and read translated manga/VNs right now instead of spending 1-10 years studying vocabulary, grammar, etc. and doing reading practice with boring-ass kiddy stuff for the sake of eventually being able to read moderately but not amazingly good stuff

>>24286424
lol It takes just 2 years to read untranslated shit without any hitch.

>>24285834
Why are you judging everything on one character? Do you judge Touhou on one character? I don't actually watch streams myself but instead little clips people make, but those seem funny enough without the shit memes added on them. Besides that, like Touhou and Fate, you can ignore them altogether and just like the characters. What's wrong with cute anime character art? Take this character.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGaUWM5OQ7hU1JwbqvNBR4w/videos
They don't stream, they don't make stupid noises, they don't really do anything but be a cute anime girl who generates questionable art works. There's nothing about the person(s) behind them to follow other than the one who designed the character.

>why waste copious amount of hours on them when you can just consume actual otaku media?
What is "actual otaku media?" People pretending to be edgelords and gigasluts in some VN? People pretending to be moe virgin wives in some anime? People pretending to be half naked ninja in some video game? People pretending to be anthropomorphized objects in some mobile game? What makes one kind of voice acting more legit than another, or is only manga, completely detached from some 3D person providing a voice "actual otaku media?" Could you not enjoy the brilliance of Gdgd Fairies or Tesagure?

>>24285880
>Even CGDCT anime like K-on have girls with strong character other than just being cute and dumb, and anime dialogues is written to be entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNu04_pFnT4 OH MAN THIS IS THE MOST ENTERTAINING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!

>>24286494
>posts the most braindead cgdct to make his point
nice cherrypicking

>>24286464
Maybe 2 years for shitty moege and slice of life anime, but probably more than 5 years for works with literary-style prose, and definitely at least 10 years for Classical Japanese.

>>24286494
>What is "actual otaku media?" People pretending to be edgelords and gigasluts in some VN? People pretending to be moe virgin wives in some anime? People pretending to be half naked ninja in some video game? People pretending to be anthropomorphized objects in some mobile game? What makes one kind of voice acting more legit than another, or is only manga, completely detached from some 3D person providing a voice "actual otaku media?" Could you not enjoy the brilliance of Gdgd Fairies or Tesagure?
a anime/manga/VN/LN or even rpgmaker shit is made with the intention of being entertaining/engaging. what do vtubers do? just play games or draw artshit with dumb noises. I'd be down with this vtuber idea if they actually made content like other youtubers.

>>24286561
Why do you need classical japanese? do you even understand what classical japanese means? you can read pretty much any weebshit piece of media in 2 years albeit at slow yet decent speed given you practice diligently everyday.

Civia has a really cute image on jetri.
Was that drawn by a hololive?

Is there any vtuber cutie who talks about politics?

>>24286566
The complaint is that it's "fake" and "plastic". I'm asking how it's more fake than any other fake character. I also linked one that doesn't do any of what you described.

>>24286805
you aren't following the reply properly

>>24286830
*reply chain

>>24286760
your mom

I like attempting to translate doujin music/manga. While horribly inefficient, it's the only way I can stay focused while learning because I enjoy the material.

Problem is I can't really complete most of the translations because there are always a handful of lines of dialogue that I can't figure out.

>>24287137
J to E translations are headache-inducing. I find Japanese to be easily translatable to my native language. If only English wasn't so different

>>24286494
I really wish you vtuber fags had a containment board so you wouldn't shit up /jp/.

>>24280432
Stop projecting your shitty western streamers.

Because I fucking tried learning Japanese by watching a bunch of bad anime with jp subs over the span of 4 or 5 months.
https://anilist.co/user/nigalRutger/animelist
But I had to give up because all that anime FUCKING SUCKED.

>>24263392
You could do it in 3 months. I mean you couldn't write characters from memory but for fan translation you really don't have to.

>>24287218
I'm not a vtuber fag, I'm anti-"Nothing is /jp/ except hoopdog, janny hate, NEET threads, and that one tea thread I liked" types. The fans are annoying but anime style characters that aren't from anime are otaku culture.

>>24280432
Because they're legit invested in those streaming attention whores. In wouldn't be bad if they decided to bunker down permanently in their containment threads but here we are.

im doing my reps anon only missed one day this month im noticing improvement just have to remember its a marathon not a race

>>24290518
I agree with you on that. There's just something about vtubers in particular that makes me sick, but my main issue is that they have multiple generals that get thousands of replies and how they can't refrain from spamming the board once one of them dies. I'd say that warrants creating a containment board.

>>24290667
>just have to remember its a marathon not a race
That's sort of how I see things as well. I don't focus on how long it'll take to master the language or become fluent, I'm just focusing on learning every day.

>>24290770
The thing about vtubers is that you get the good entertainment part of idolshit, without all the deep bullshit (at least most of times). The girls have normal lifes outside of their job, boyfriends and in general are normal human beings. They are not physically contained in a headquarters with unsocial rules and nutty fans besieging.

>>24286494
I think my own aversion to it is because they're riajuu acting like otakus. I don't know if that's true, as I've never watched vtubers stream. It's sort of like idolshit, but with the added insult to fans of 2D media that their favorite characters would be better if they were more like real people.

>>24291705
Okay? You're not gonna bring me over to your side, there's something i find fundementally repulsive about the whole concept and the people who enjoy it.
I also really hate idols but that's a whole different can of worms.

>>24292288
Ok, have a (You).

They do absolutely the same as the real idols but better and they're more entertaining.

>>24292303
Thanks, i guess. I'm just giving my honest thoughts.

>>24292310
Do the same what?
It's all complete trash content for people with no self respect at the end of the day.

>vtubers
How on earth does anyone have time for this shit? I have a crapload of VNs, manga and stuff on my plate already.

>>24292004
What makes someone who plays video games all day not an otaku? You think of them as random girls they pulled in and forced to play games for nerds? Your should think of them more as the kind of people who would make videos of themselves covering anime or vocaloid songs while cosplaying on nicovideo who were roped in to this kinda thing. Still attention whores but not wholly detached from the culture.
They don't, well I can't speak for all of them, but the more popular ones don't act like real people. They act like anime characters streaming. I compared it to Tesagure before, and while vtubers are probably more fake in both ways than it, you should give Tesagure a watch. Vtubers are more like Minarai Diva or Naria Girls though.
There is kind of a gross added sense of people giving them money/tips which adds a kinda camwhore like aspect to it rather than an idols aspect, but at least there are also male characters who get it too so it's not just a guys acting retarded over women kinda things.

In fact thinking of them as idols is entirely wrong. Normalfags maybe, camwhores maybe, but they're pretty far away from idols in the AKB/Babymetal/etc sense.

Also why do you think idols are detached from the 2D world? There are idols that have voiced characters, seiyuu have been tending towards being minor idols for years now, and there are anime about idols as well as idolesque themes being present in media that has nothing to do with idols. Your idea is a complete delusion.

>>24292754
Why are you defending them? Can you not see how much of a cancer their threads are upon /jp/?

>>24292793
What cancer? They're more cancer for themselves as they seem to be embroiled in a war to demonetize each other by reporting their game streams as copyright violations. The hololive was the closest to being a problem for being so fast, but the mods make them archive around 2000 posts now so it's not a problem either. It's more likely you're an errant /v/tard looking to cause trouble than those other /v/tards in their threads causing problems.

>>24292839
A year or two ago there was only a single vtuber general that wasn't much faster than the rest of the generals here, but now there's like half a dozen generals that are faster than any other threads on /jp/. It's cancerous, plain and simple.
I'll ask again, why are you defending them?

>>24292754
I see, I can accept that they're part of otaku culture. And it's clear that there's much overlap between fans of idols/online streamers and anime watchers. However, then it's hard to draw a line between normalfag and otaku interests. Otaku media is niche. Video games and celebrities have a wide appeal. What keeps the same people who watch Pewdiepie or Keeping up with the Kardashians or who play League of Legends from enjoying virtual Youtubers?

>>24286600
It's not too uncommon quotes from ancient Japanese stuff in eroge and manga.

>>24293282
Are you gonna learn Chinese, German, French, Italian, Latin, and Sanskrit just to understand all the poorly pronounced foreign words and names that appear in anime and light novels too?

>>24293344
Sure, why not?
Maybe even Akkadian and Russian too.

>>24293209
>What keeps the same people who watch Pewdiepie or Keeping up with the Kardashians or who play League of Legends from enjoying virtual Youtubers?
What keeps you from enjoying all of those and otaku things except your mental disabilities?

>>24293476
The point is that those things definitely shouldn't be on /jp/.

I'm a linguistics student studying historical linguistics specializing in Japonic languages. I've studied ancient Japanese (not classical, but the time before that) and I'm gonna be honest with you anons, you won't have to worry about it at all. It's fucking useless and you can get by without wasting your time on classical or any other ancient period. Also, trust me, nothing modern is classical Japanese. Sure, some words remain the same and stuff, but they don't follow the classical japanese grammar rules / conjugation patterns. So you'd be wasting your time, just like I did my money on this degree

>>24293652
it might be a waste of money from the perspective of not really enabling you getting any more money, but you only live once and you got to learn about something few people ever do. that's cool bro.

>>24292949
Not that much cancerous than the people who always complain about everything. I don't even understand why the fuck is this discussion in this thread just some faggot random started to shit on them and a few other followed him.

>>24293955
This is an off topic thread so who cares.

>>24218832
Except you can cum while learning Japanese through eroge and eromanga
50% of what you've learned vanishes as you cum but it's still better than nothing

>>24293955
>I don't even understand why the fuck is this discussion in this thread just some faggot random started to shit on them and a few other followed him.
The OP post mentioned vtubers in the first line as one of the reasons to learn Japanese and it made some autistic person mad.

>>24292949
It's 3 threads out 150 and I almost never see vtubers mentioned outside of their threads, people weren't even talking about them in this thread until one guy freaked out and started acting like they're getting shilled and forced on him.

>>24247436
Get back to your fucking cage.
(ymesaludasalzeta)

>>24283438
>There's a reason why majority of the world dropped ancient writing systems in favor of the modern English alphabet.
This is what Americans actually believe.

How can I start? ;_;

>>24292949
>but now there's like half a dozen generals that are faster than any other threads on /jp/.
There are three threads, one for nijisanji, one for hololive, and one for other vtubers. I don't know what makes one group one or another, but I guess those are companies. In any case, ONLY the hololive one is fast. The last vtuber one reached 684 posts, with the current dying one having reached 764 post over 2+ days. The last nijisanji thread reached 448 posts over 2 days and the current dying one is at 462 posts after a day and change. The hololive one hits 2000 several times a day and is the only fast one, probably partially due to hate from the other threads.
https://boards.4channel.org/jp/archive

What's wrong with them being faster than other threads anyway? As mentioned, the hololive one is forcibly archived at 2000 posts so it doesn't fill up the catalog.

>>24292949
>I'll ask again, why are you defending them?
I forgot to answer this, but again >>24290518 I'm tired of people saying nothing is /jp/ except mindless spam threads.

>>24294632
>the hololive one is forcibly archived at 2000 posts so it doesn't fill up the catalog
That'd be nice if they didn't spam new threads whenever their general dies.

>>24294785
They probably aren't. Like, there will be one or two extra occasionally, but sometimes someone will keep making like 8 or so, even when they get deleted. Probably someone trying to false flag them. I mentioned this before, but there's some sort of ongoing war between them, not just here but among Japanese fans too. I don't really know the details.

>>24259810
>>24260010
Please recommend me some loli h-manga to read.

>>24283617
Imagine learning writing system even in HS. That's that absolute state of japanese writing system. They still learn new jouyou kanji even in HS and you need more than jouyou to actually read literature.

>>24283438
>There's a reason why majority of the world dropped ancient writing systems in favor of the modern English alphabet
What reason? Which language except for cucked SEAtards did this? Ancient doesn't necessarily mean character based systems like Chinese.

>>24287192
Chinese, Korean, or something else?

>>24295685
Not him but Chinese is more to English than fucking japanese in terms of morphology and syntax. Korean and Japanese have many grammatical similarities, and you can find many similarly constructed words and stock phrases.

>>24295656
Yes, because having classes about your own language in High school is completely unheard of.
What's next, teaching natives their own language in college?

>>24296099
>Yes, because having classes about your own language in High school is completely unheard of
Nice strawmanning. Imagine learning alphabets even in High school.

As otaku as it gets >>24288250

>>24296710
At our school we didn't even learn it in highschool - alphabets were an optional course. Much like cursive, alphabets really get in the way of learning and are just a formality at this point.

>>24294574
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

>>24283617
>>24294568
>>24295683
rope if you're past kindergarten at the age of three and still haven't memorized all the symbols and past age 4 but can't write the cursive version. Guess 26 letters is ideal after all compared to 50k kanji no one uses. Imagine attending high school but still learning how to read and write.

>>24295683
Cope. Keep arguing it isn't the English alphabet
but we all know the world's adoption and wide usage of Roman letters with slight variations for locals. Most japanese understand Latin letters / romaji anyway.

That said I'm okay with japs and japanese media staying as they are. The moment they normalize and embrace the superior letters is the moment they fall. Them being niche is what allows them to stay based. Opening their market outside Asia resulted to Western influence, feminism and SJeW bullshit.

If I had any energy left to still learn new things I wouldn't be on this website now

>>24298073
>Keep arguing it isn't the English alphabet
>but we all know the world's adoption and wide usage of Roman letters with slight variations for locals
Not in my nation, retard.

>>24298073
>Opening their market outside Asia resulted to Western influence, feminism and SJeW bullshit
Feminism and SJW stuff are already a thing in japan lol

>>24298073
The downsides of the Japanese syllabary are not important in a modern world where barely anyone actually handwrites anything.

>>24280785
just do rtk you fucking loser

>>24298300
>Japanese syllabary
Do you even understand what syllabary means? We aren't talking about kana but kanji. We can argue that kana is actually inferior to hangul tier shit or alphasyllabery but that's not important.

>>24269461
good you would have wasted money for nothing

I am learning japanese, just very slowly.
百年くらいに堪能だ。
ゆっくりしています。

>>24298395
I intended to refer to the writing system as a whole.

>>24298199
keep cherry picking, main argument countries use ~30 letters and at most 66, all of which are below 100 and the only exceptions are scripts easily above a thousand. Former mentioned countries are long past the point of studying letters including yours retard while script kiddies are still studying how to read and write.

t. anon whose ancestors successfully repelled invasions and denied cultural exchanges

>>24298476
You can't refer to their entire writing system with that term.

>>24298678
My apologies.

>>24298609
It's really not that big of a deal. Anyone who isn't a retard will memorize tens of thousands of words in their native language. Japanese words having funny looking symbols instead of latin letters doesn't matter because pronunciation is the same and consistent. I'll would agree that a high school student spending hours learning how to physically write shit like "魑" would be a waste of time since it's something nobody would ever need to write out ever. There only like a few hundred kanji you need to know to physically write out the vast majority of common shit you would need. Yes, it's a bigger timesink than the English alphabet but not really a big deal in the long run. Fancier shit, you would just type out like a normal person and let the IME take care of it. But of course, I'm not a Japanese schooling expert so I have no idea what they actually do.

>>24298837
>because pronunciation is the same and consistent
To be clearer, I don't mean the kanji reading themselves. Of course they can vary (usually you only need to know two for the vast majority of cases). I mean how you pronounce the readings. ち always sounds like ち. It's not like English where phonetic readings flip flop fucking all the time with almost no consistency.

>>24298837
>Fancier shit, you would just type out like a normal person and let the IME take care of it. But of course, I'm not a Japanese schooling expert so I have no idea what they actually do.
They write their notes in handwritten japanese. School kids do most of their assignments in handwritten japanese. Some tests also require handwritten japanese.

>>24298907
Just cause English has the worst spelling doesn't mean kanji is the better solution. I don't understand the way you are framing your argument.

I am. I'm currently on the grammar guide/beginning to learn kanji step. Anki is making me feel like a fucking retard. I've never, ever struggled this much learning concepts in uni. But I won't give up, especially since I'm in such the early stages.

>>24299016
>They write their notes in handwritten japanese. School kids do most of their assignments in handwritten japanese. Some tests also require handwritten japanese.
None of that requires anything beyond basic/common kanji aside from I suppose more Japanese language/literature classes.

>Just cause English has the worst spelling doesn't mean kanji is the better solution.
I didn't say that. The point is all naturally evolved languages have retarded shit in them. Everyone learns to deal with it. There's no particular benefit to forcing everyone to learn some hyper-autist, super logical invented language.

>>24299086
more advanced*

>>24299086
What is so natural about japanese writing system? If meiji decided to device a new writing system instead of kana+kanji nignoggery then history would've turned out differently. It's all just enforced by the state. Writing in pure kana is also a huge thing before meiji. It's just that it's hard to do anything now.

>>24299086
>None of that requires anything beyond basic/common kanji aside
Also you're wrong here. Look at their technical terms. They are heavy on kanji

>>24299282
>Writing in pure kana is also a huge thing before meiji
Yes and it's also completely retarded. No one is saying the current system is perfect, but let me know if you come up with a writing system that works better for Japanese than kana + kanji.

>>24299316
Heavy on kanji != using hard/uncommon kanji. For instance, "quadratic equation" in Japanese is "二次方程式". All of those characters are basic shit. Obviously the story is different if you're going to Japanese med school or something, but you get what you sign up for.

>>24299443
>Yes and it's also completely retarded
No, it actually worked for pre-meiji versions of japanese because most of them had very few homophones compared to modern standardized japanese because a shitload of 漢語 was dumped in japanese during meiji and taught through modern compulsory educational infrastructure of meiji.

>>24299443
Do you think those kanji are easy to write? Kanji were never meant for easy, flexible handwriting.

>>24299487
Bullshit. I have actually read a Japanese novel written in the Meiji era (坊っちゃん). Without kanji that shit would be garbage to read just like nearly anything that's kana only. How well do you know Japanese? I'm not interested in having this discussion if you have not actually read multiple things in it.

>Do you think those kanji are easy to write?
Relatively speaking, yes. I do not know when exactly students learn all of those. But they are all very basic and fundamental characters.

>>24218432
I'm 4/5 years deep.
How do I beat the plateau? I'm just not improving anymore; nothing new sticks in my head. It's so demoralising.

>>24299681
>I have actually read a Japanese novel written in the Meiji era
>in the Meiji era
What bullshit? It's generally accepted that meiji era is the beginning of wide spread 漢語化 of japanese and it happened really fast. Try popular edo literature and you'll be surprised at his low 漢語 count is in them.

>>24299778
*how

もう日本語苦手じゃないけど現在に勉強しない

>>24299681
>But they are all very basic and fundamental characters.
Are you telling me they are as easy to write as Latin alphabet? Nips use shortcut form of many kanji for taking notes because kanji is time consuming as fuck to handwrite

>>24299778
>edo
That's hundreds of years ago. What may have worked somewhat okay then doesn't mean it will work now. Language rapidly changes. Go pick up some British literature from the 1700s. You can read it, but the writing is dramatically different.

>>24299813
No which is why I said relatively. I'm not denying kanji is harder to physical handwrite. It's just not actually that important and the benefits (removing ambiguity) far outweigh the downsides.

>>24299825
My point is "the homophone problem" which is used to defend the usage of kanji only became a problem because of meiji language reforms and enforcing those on common public using meiji compulsory standardized education. There's nothing natural about the way language evolves when modern state is involved.

>>24299714
It depends. What are your goals? What are you trying to learn? Where are your weakness? Have you challenged yourself or are you coasting on stuff that's relatively easy for you?

>>24299884
My goals are kinda nebulous, I guess. Just to get some form of employment in Japan. I suppose my short term goal is to be able to read untranslated manga within a reasonable time period without having to look shit up every other page.
I just finished 見つけた日本 and I'm about halfway through Tobira. I think my problem is more that I know enough to roughly communicate so I'm content to stick with that. While the stuff I'm studying isn't easy for me, it isn't necessary, so I end up just not using it. The issue then becomes having some need to use/read new grammar and vocab in a real-world setting.

>>24298907
>ち always sounds like ち. It's not like English where phonetic readings flip flop fucking all the time with almost no consistency
boy that's where romanization jumps in. Turn all your problems into a single phonetic language, using an alphabet with the highest amount of users.

>>24299982
>Just to get some form of employment in Japan.
What a cuck. Why do you wanna burn in neoliberal ass backwards hell?

>>24300015
no matter what country you work in you're going to be exploited and fucked. May as well do it in a country that's cool to me

>>24298907
>ち always sounds like ち. It's not like English where phonetic readings flip flop fucking all the time with almost no consistency
boy that's where romanization jumps in. Turn all your problems into a single phonetic language, using an alphabet with the highest amount of users.

>>24299877
I am not an expert on the evolution of Japanese but I am also going to doubt you hard here. Kanji dramatically improves the reading speed of Japanese and removes a ton of ambiguity. Not just by the way of homophones but by simply having a clean visual way to instantly distinguish between words.

>muh compulsory state education
Means nothing. In any rapidly industrializing and developing nation, there is a need to impose consistent standards on language. Japan was not the only country to do this kind of thing. For example, France purged Occitan for hundreds of years and standardized French as their language. Same shit. The Japanese language had (has?) a lot of different dialects and pronunciation. There was a need to converge on a consistent standard. No one said the method they chose was perfect, but it clearly works. Unless you're seriously going to try and argue with me that modern Japanese would be better off Kana-only.

>>24300042
Please kill yourself. Only EOPs seriously believe anything as retarded as this.

>>24300054
>Kanji dramatically improves the reading speed of Japanese and removes a ton of ambiguity
This is honestly debatable. When you parse English, you don't parse letter by letter but instantly recognize a word.

>Means nothing. In any rapidly industrializing and developing nation, there is a need to impose consistent standards on language
I'm not against it. Just imagine if they didn't put 漢語 on pedestal. Just imagine if they chose to coin words primarily in 和語. Then one couldn't use "homophone problem" as a way to defend kanji when those debates were hot in 20th century. Then we would've been in the history where 和語 isn't relegated to lower positions of power and kanji abolition would've been something possible. Now the entire debate about removing kanji is moronic because of how history turned out

>>24299982
How the fuck are you "4/5 years deep" and not able to read manga. Be honest now.

>>24300054
http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/942751
Also attempts were made to create new writing system in japan during late 19th and early 20th century. This is one such attempt. But these didn't gain traction because muh homophone problem. Even research was done to understand the word coinage potential of 和語(a chemistry textbook was translated from English to pure 和語 in meiji era) but these were never supported by the state.

>>24300172
>>24300274
I don't see how 和語 would avoid homophones. Japanese has always had a pretty limited set of sounds. Even if some of the older sounds weren't ever abandoned and they got super creative with making up words, I would still think you would have a billion homophones anyway. Unless they actually created brand new sounds for this, it seems unavoidable to me.

>>24300299
>I don't see how 和語 would avoid homophones
漢語 has severe homophone problem because of the nature of 音読み readings where you have multiple kanji with same usually monosyllabic/disyllabic reading. 和語 is more close to how the rest of the word forms words. It isn't technically made by combining kanji but there are several word coining procedures like in latin.

>>24300299
Ofc you can't get away with all homophones but when someone says japanese has a huge homophone problem they are usually pointing towards those 漢語. Also japanese would be robbed of 漢語 word coinage powers if you take away kanji and this is also why some prefer to have kanji because they unironically think 和語 is bad for coining words.

>>24300379
>>24300419
Maybe you're right. Maybe they fucked up.

>>24300456
Yeah and I like how some nips like this dude are still experimenting with 和語 even in the 21th century
https://twitter.com/amanemi_nenie/status/1272388022831476739
These words are actually to distinguish parts of speech during edo but everything changed since meiji. 和語 are also easy to understand in phonetic domain compared to 漢語.

>>24300186
I can, I'm just slow as shit because vocab won't fucking stick in my head

>>24300528
*These words were actually used to distinguish parts of speech during edo but everything changed since meiji
*speech domain

>>24300546
If you have to "look shit up every other page" in a manga, you can't seriously say you can read manga. This isn't a highly technical textbook.

>>24300274
>a chemistry textbook was translated from English to pure 和語 in meiji era
I forget it before but the textbook is called ものわりのはしご and It is entirely written in kana

>>24292004
>I think my own aversion to it is because they're riajuu acting like otakus
I don't really watch vtubers, but from what I've heard they're as far from being riajuu as they probably can be while still holding a personality that lets them actually stream without being super awkward.
a lot of them stream for 6+ hours, I've heard that one of them even uses a weird sleeping schedule where they sleep 20 minutes 6 times a day or some shit throughout the day to maximize game hours.
They're e-celebs, I'll give you that, but don't compare them to your average twitch fag.

>>24300186
Not him, but it took me like 2 years to read doujinshi without looking stuff up constantly.

For me, it was a case of several initial spurts of study followed by putting studying on hold, and even during the studying only committing anywhere from 30m-2hr a day on the language. It wasn't after college that I actually gained enough free time to not be constantly stressed, and to be able to dedicate like 4-5 hours to just grind through a VN or whatnot.

Also, the noncommittal nature of picking it up via self-study just isn't as effective for me and plenty of others. I acquired a working knowledge of spoken/written Mandarin Chinese in a year of study, but that was in a classroom environment where I would be forced to produce the language, and where if I didn't comprehend something, I had resources to fall on.

>>24218852
>tiny amount of people
120 Million people in Japan alone + all the untranslated art that would be able to read and day one access to everything new

>>24301329
It’s their job to stream lol. Some vtubers like tsukino mito are familiar with otaku subcultures but vtubers like korone talk like normalfags lol

>>24218432
I don't masturbate

>>24307827
Erectile dysfunction? Dead libido?

>>24307854
it just flew over my head I guess? never did it before and starting at this point would be weird

>>24307886
What the fuck?

It's too hard/I'm too dumb.

Instead of worrying about things I cannot reach, I will be content with the meaning I derive from that which I have. Even if I learned Japanese, it is not guaranteed that I would be able to comprehend the intent of the authors with significantly greater accuracy than when I read a translation.

>>24300186
>>24305730
Also consider the commitment
> only committing anywhere from 30m-2hr a day on the language
> like 4-5 hours to just grind through a VN or whatnot

Not everyone has so little going on their life to devote an entire half-day to a language they may never use. I studied Japanese in college as a side-major, but my focus was on Japanese film and architecture. I moved to Japan and I still only get a good 1-2 hours of actual study a day. It's important to me, but it's not practical to spend that time when I have equally/more important things.

And let's also be honest- the autists who cram stilted JLPT workbook structures in their memory for hours a day are also the same autists who read boring slice of life shit because their concept of fiction is having friends. If you like scifi or fantasy, it's a significantly higher hill to climb to read anything remotely interesting.

>>24309108
>I moved to Japan and I still only get a good 1-2 hours of actual study a day.
I'll bite, what do you do there?

>>24311223
I'm just a lowly English teacher, so Japanese ability isn't necessary. In my off time, I freelance translate things for a particular field.

I would study Japanese more if I cared, but I'm realizing that Japan is not the place for me . I am way too much of an individual to ever fit in, and the only Japanese people I end up liking are the ones who society here has abandoned. The lack of independent thought and critical thinking here is starting to wear me down so I'm going to either get out of the country or move to Tokyo when I can. I'm pretty skilled in English writing and nothing else, so my talents aren't put to good use here. In another life, staying would be my dream but it's time to move on.

>>24309108
>the autists who cram stilted JLPT workbook structures in their memory for hours a day
Nobody sane does this. The proper way to study is to immerse yourself in native content. If someone did actually regularly study every day (and by study I mean read shit in Japanese), it would not take multiple years to do something basic like read doujinshi without constantly needing a dictionary.

>>24308266
I'm not a smart man

>>24286760
There is a commie vtuber.

>>24292949
>A year or two ago there was only a single vtuber general that wasn't much faster than the rest of the generals here, but now there's like half a dozen generals that are faster than any other threads on /jp/
That's fucking false and you know it. There's only one vtuber general that's faster than the rest of the board combined, then the other fast generals are idolshit.

>>24282882
Did you watch Miko?

https://streamable.com/bxm9o
https://streamable.com/0t8s9i

>>24314373
Yeah. She also sounds fake and dumb, and her voice/avatar/commentary is terrible. Tsukino mito is the only one who I found decent.

>>24315084
What about Houshou Marine?

Tried to do duolingo and it's not sinking in. I doubt I will ever understand.

can't believe no one has posted this yet, it's insanely effective

>>24315301
Duolingo is trash and doesn't teach effectively. Go to /djt/ on /int/ and read the OP. Much easier and effective.

>>24284295
Mirin the progress. I’ve been at it for about two months. I hope I can read that someday.

>>24315480
it's inferior to this piece of advice

>>24218432
I'm learning Arabic because it's interesting and the writing system is pretty. I wonder if there's any anime/VN/Manga with Arabic TL.

>>24319481
>the writing system is pretty
Literally chickenscratch

>>24319481
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=&fil=tagspoil-0.lang-ar

I can memorize characters and their meanings but not how they're read.

>tfw still practice writing in kanji in case i do actually go over there or maybe live there plus im autistic and like doing autistic things
anyone else like this?

>>24320200
Do yourself a favor and look up how Japanese actually handwrite before you go over there looking like an autist writing out perfectly squared kanji with impeccable stroke order and visible serifs.

>>24320740
I'm sure all the Japanese will laugh at him for having legible handwriting.

>>24225622
>kanjitomo app
Thanks for the tip on that. This thing is amazing.

>>24239782
>>24229732
ai will fix all of that within the next five years.

>>24320765
They laugh at nonjaps for vocalizing the "su" in "desu", they will certainly laugh if he writes out the proper form of a kanji that's commonly simplified or written in hiragana.

>>24323579
>they will certainly laugh if he writes out the proper form of a kanji that's commonly simplified or written in hiragana
然し、其れは迚も格好いいですよ

I'm so depressed and have no motivation or passion

>>24323579
My favorite part is how if I accidentally say tacos the Spanish way, the look at me like I just spoke the language of ancient undead leviathans, and then when they put 2+2 together they correct me that it's taco-SU. Which is even more funny when I'm ordering a single taco.

Nippinjin ga musukashii to kore wa baka mitai.

Fuck this shit. I have started learning Japanese after getting motivation from a LSD trip and made good progress learning hiragana, getting Anki, picking up some katakana and learning some basic grammar from Duolingo. Then I stopped doing shit because forcing yourself to learn is annoying and tiring.

Now for some fucking reason I've picked it up again after watching namanasensei. But learning is so fucking boring. I don't care memorizing shit just because I'm supposed to do it. When I was a teenager I learned English by playing on cringy roleplay servers and using Google translator to search for words I didn't understand because it actually mattered for my stupid RP.

What I'm saying is can you give me some mindless form of entertainment where I actually need Japanese? I'd be playing untranslated H-games because my dick is my biggest motivator but I actually value understanding the story in order to get off and I can't fucking search for kanji I don't know if I can't even fucking type them into any kind of search bar because I don't know them in the first place.
I installed the yomichan extension for what it's worth so there's that.

>>24331267
that's it, I'm trying lsd

>>24331267
You don't need to type them, you can just try drawing them. Google supports this, https://jisho.org/ supports this as well as building them from radicals.

>>24218432

>>24331267
textractor + yomichan

>>24282882
Nothing consumed by /jp/ is "real".

>>24293344
What a stupid comparison.

>>24259868
How else am I supposed to tap some hairy pussy?

hmm

>>24332132
I got the same motivation from mushrooms
I found that mushrooms worked better for me
If LSD isn't for you and you have a bad experience, try mushrooms instead. You will feel more connected to the Japanese people.
>>24331267
Maybe you need to take another trip
It seems like you're stuck at the beginner level and not yet gotten to an intermediate level yet
You need a breakthrough, and new style of thinking. Perhaps listening to terrace house.
Perhaps trying to track a comedy show
Perhaps a cooking show.
You need to remove the training wheels and try to understand what they are saying. Japanese is a highly contextual language. Try and grab expressions or something else then write down how you would say it

>>24331267
Let me give a specific example
You can watch Rick and Morty high.
Then watch it again without subtitles and with the Japanese dub
You know roughly what message they are trying to convey. Try to keep up with the dialogue through the additional context you have

>>24237239
No fucking wonder they're all so obsessed with wordplay.

>>24237239
I love it
The Japanese language has so many ways you can use it, and it's so contextual
You can make fun of people to their face if you know they don't understand the double entendre
That's a rude thing to do, but feels satisfying if you can pull it off in real life.

>>24311921
Hey man, good on you for testing the waters. Best of luck to your future endeavors.

>>24311921
Where do I find people that Japanese society abandoned? I want to talk to those people

>>24344065
If you speak Japanese, unironically Discord.

>>24319616
It's at least better than Chink scribbles

I want to learn. I just someone to yell at me to get me into gear. As harsh as possible too.

>>24353009
You can't.

>>24353549
Literally me

>>24283462
I've resorted to fuckin duolingo since I can't motivate myself to study genki or tae kim properly

>>24283462
Yotsuba is simple but it isn't the most basic shit you can read. If you literally can't understand anything you might have to resort to graded reader.

>>24353009
Do it faggit

>>24353549
What textbook is this from?

>>24218432
I just started memorising hiragana with the tae kim guide, feeling optimistic about it

I'm not fully fluent yet, but I just use it to watch jdramas, movies, or TV shows anyway.

>>24283462
why don't you ask the /djt/ threads or check the grammar on tae kim/dojg?
>>24331267
that's an interesting reason to start but are you giving up or not

japan gay

I think I might actually be Kirito ww I didn't think so but people keep telling me I look like him www When I was being bothered by some DQN recently I did black out and end up with bloody bodies around me www Oh yeah, my girlfriend looks like Asuna too ww

>>24269461
Taking language learning diplomas is usually retarded, if you like collecting them go for it, sure, but just go for the N1 straight away, anything less is a waste of time. N1 is just enough to have a shallow conversation

>>24331267
I wanna do LSD too.
Don't forget that feeling: you did learn English because RP. The power of arousal gets you places. Think about it when learning jap. It is way too much effort, we all know, but you will unlock the top pleasure chakras for the rest of your lifetime, which is probably worth it.

>>24376227
>>24332132

There's simpler ways to do it.
Go to Whole Foods or whatever equivelant you have in your country, and just buy Lion's mane.

It's an over the counter supplement that has heightened versions of the learning benefits of magic mushrooms

I'm having a hard time trying to study Japanese. Vocabulary, listening, and speaking are my biggest weakpoints at the moment because I'm not sure how I can practice my listening skills.

>>24377237
watch vtubers

Use console vidya, you donkeys. Unlike porn, learning curve is hella less steep.

>>24377237
Watch slice of life anime or something else slow paced. No subs.

>>24377809
Porn dialogue is way easier than made up bullshit terms in some video game.

If I don't want to write or read anything, it is possible to skip the hard parts and only learn to understand the speaking and expanding my vocabulary solely with romaji? I will never be able to learn the moonrunes but I want to understand the vtubers, that's my only purpose. Is there any good source for this?

how do people usually go about learning the tae kim grammar guide? I feel like a lot of my problems with learning stuff comes from terrible note-taking, and if anyone has any good strategies I'd like to hear them.

>>24218432
You know why.
"I'll start tomorrow."

I'm learning Japanese for my wife Pekora

I'm trying write "bitch nigga" (like not translated, just literally saying bitch nigga in japanese) in japanese but I don't know my hiraganas from my katakanas from my katanas. Is there a better way of sounding it out phonetically than "びち にっが"? doesnt sound too good when google translate sounds it out

>>24389116
Stupid being a retard. Also "bitch" means "slut" in Japanese.

>>24389196
*stop being a retard
Couldn't resist insulting you before I even insulted you.

>>24234343
Good luck with that if you can't converse lmfao.

>>24283438
>the modern English alphabet
Our alphabet is the LATIN alphabet, you retarded fucking donkey.
Holy shit, you probably saw some written Spanish and thought to yourself, "Garsh, they're using our english alphabet now USA NUMBAH ONE" then saw this thread about learning Japanese and nearly shit your already thrice-shitted-in-today pants because Japanese doesn't look like English.

>>24381953
They just look thru its pages and say "Oh, I've heard this thing a few times while watching English subbed anime" every time they come across a vaguely familiar word or grammar element, and then move on to the next page till they "finish" it so they can delete it off their computer and move onto reading hentai manga and eroge with the aid of a dictionary (which is where the real "acquisition" takes place).

>>24340751
>Nothing is real
ftfy
~~this post was endorsed by the anti-spook gang~~

>>24390713
It's the english alphabet. Latin doesn't have Ws and Js and english doesn't have tilde-Ns or umlauts or anything else other languages with similar character sets have. You might as well say it's the Greek alphabet or Phoenician alphabet.

>>24390713
europoor seethe

>>24391884
>english doesn't have [...] umlauts or anything else other languages with similar character sets have
English has the diaresis which looks identical to an umlaut (as in Zoë and naïve), the grave accent, the ampersand, æ and œ

>>24395904
An ampersand is not a letter.

This thread will 404 soon but I still haven't read it :(

>>24402694
>This thread will 404 soon
This isn't /b/. It'll be in the archives for a while.