/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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What?

Japanophiles? You mean weeaboos right?


I've been into Zen Buddhism for awhile, but that's neither here or there, since I've been Buddhist for about six or seven years after taking some religion course in school. I didn't get into VNs and stuff until afterwards. STOP INSINUATING I'M A WEEABOO!

Make way for Roshi!

lol religion

>>2386697
ありがとう。禅宗がすばらしでしょう。神道か？

Religion is the happy poison.

Westerners can't understand Buddhism, don't be worried.

>>2386741
lol ignorance

I can read into that sweeping generalization easily.

I think /jp/ is above shitty religious fairy tales.

>>2387063
In Buddhism all the supernatural parts are optional. There's no faith required, only practical guidelines for better living. It's mostly common sense.

Shinto isn't a real religion either, it's a set of rituals designed to strengthen Japanese group identity. You're fucking stupid if you try to practice it without being Japanese.

>>2387063
>fairy tales
>/jp/
>argues about physics in touhou
dohoho

>>2387244
Gensokyo exists... on our minds.

I am a budhist and no I am not a weaboo. Technically speaking, buddhism is not really a religion.

It's more like a way of life. Suppressing covetousness, reaching transcendence and finally nirvana. It's all about self-reflection and working on your inner-self.

>we Japanese
lol

>>2387308
Sounds pretty stupid.

I was interested in Buddhism but have no interest in becoming Buddhist. Religion is mostly a scam hiding in a veil of mysticism.

my god....my everything

Well, OP, I want to commend you on making a thread that's out of the ordinary for /jp/, where almost all the threads are about visual novels or touhou. However, don't pretend to be Japanese when you do, that's just stupid.

>すばらし
you're missing an i or a ki

>>2387421
maybe he is one of those Americans who are one tenth Japanese and are full of AZN PRYDE!!!!!1 or something.

ITT All religions work like Christianity, no exceptions.

>>2387346
Unlike most other religions, it doesn't take long to find out if it's stupid or not. If you seriously follow the "Noble Eightfold Path" for a month or so, paying special attention to "right concentration", you'll know for certain if it's stupid. No need to wait until you die or anything like that.

>>2387440
cool story, bro.

>>2386538
Full atheist, though I do have some sort of a weird feeling that certain objects and animals have a sort of intangible essence about them, similar to animism.... though this is all in my head and I don't believe that it extends to the real world.

I'm a pure blood cracker.

Is this the kind of info you wanted?

If you looked past the mainstream Buddhism, you'll find texts that are borderlining on solipsism and nihilism. Such concepts were not limited to only the west, it had been developed in the east by Buddhist monks.

>>2387443
Christianity is a cult

>>2387535
By definition any religious group is a cult.

so OP what's your shitty survey for

>>2387554
Shinto is a cult

>>2387535
I don't understand why. It has none of the indicators of a cult.

Most of /jp/ could fall into a cult of one type or another.

>>2387535
Christianity USED to be a cult... over a thousand years ago. Learn your definitions.

Cult
1. Attentive care; homage; worship.
2. A system of religious belief and worship.

>>2387565
Christianity is still a cult

>>2387571
From Latin, right? Don't use loaded words like cult. Only Scientology is a cult.

>>2387583
Every religion is a cult by the very definition of the word.

>>2387582
Wrong. It is an institution now.

>>2387586
By my definition Christianity is still a cult due to the fact that it traumatizes people early in life with cultural indoctrination, pedophilia, misogyny and other sickening things. Christianity has never done anything good for anyone, and if they say it has, it's just the fucking programming they received from their parents. Christianity isn't worth believing in anymore.

>>2387583
Culture is a cult.

>>2387593
Are you talking about Christianity or /jp/?

>>2387593
Traumatizing isn't in the definition of cult.

>>2387593
Holy fuck. What kind of people live around you? Or at least the ones around me are fairly decent.

Or you might be a teenager.

>>2387593
Lol, all Christian religions are identical and each one is responsible for the actions of all of them.

Only Christian cultists like the ones in this thread could possibly deny the truth about Christianity and it's drug-like, destructive and deadly tendencies.

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls

>>2387614
At least Christians don't use actual drugs, like those Islamic assassins.

wow guys lets have a religion debate

I think I deserve to be an idol.

>>2387614
>drug-like
Happens when the person is weak. If it wasn't christianity, it would have been anything else.
>destructive
It focuses in the exact opposite.
>and deadly tendencies
Like what?

Claims demand facts you know.

>>2387629
Ok. Religion time!

>>2387614
I am convinced that Christianity is responsible for my mental problems. It seems designed to produce depression. According to Christianity everyone is born worthless because of original sin, and there is nothing they can do about it. Only faith can save them, but faith requires an infinite regression of meta-faith that your faith is indeed faith and not just faking it because of fear of hell. All you can do is hope for divine intervention.

Buddhism makes much more sense, because it's all about actions. There's no "grace not works" nonsense to fuck with your head.

Sispri always relevant to a religion thread

>>2387645
Fuck you. Choose one girl you goddamn harem manga wannabes.

Or better yet, become one.

Christianity is an apocalyptic cult.

>>2387629
4chan needs a religion board

ha

>>2387658
>All you can do is hope for divine intervention.

And that's why they baptize people.

Uh oh! Thread derailed into being about a topic people are more familiar with!

Don't worry, Japanese users do the same thing. Stop talking about how WRPG companies use Japanese swords and watch the damn video will you, you gross otaku.

>>2387666
She needs a new magnifying glass, that one doesn't seem to be working.

>>2387670
/l/?

Isn't Jehovah's Witnesses a cult?

>>2387685
I hate it when they do that, they look so out of place.

Why do you all hate christianity so much? Christianity is all about compassion and charity. It it weren't for christianity, we'd be just like japan, an extremely racist and non-tolerent country, with no remorse for the atrocities in our past.

>>2387689
Must've broken the glass

>>2387682
Except it doesn't work. I was baptized as a baby and it did nothing. I've talked to many Christians and they all claim they know for sure that they have real faith. It is insanity, and it is poison to the rational mind. Teaching children Christianity is child abuse.

>>2387658
You haven't even touched a bible, have you? If you did your own research, you would learn that christianity is not a self flaggelation religion. Either it makes you feel better, or it purges you. If it doesn't do either, you truly are worthless.

In truth, we are, by definition, of no use to god. Nothing you can do will be enough, because you are supposed to be doing exactly that. So you won't get any medals for doing what you are supposed to do. As for grace, read this versicle: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13

Also, Astaroth.

>>2387710
>an extremely racist and non-tolerent country
Sounds like christian country to me.

>>2387714
Your parents are fucked up.

>>2387719
I've read more bible than most Christians. You talk about love, but there's no way I can believe a loving god would do what people claim the Christian god does. But then the bible is full of contradictions, and Christians say they use miraculous powers to interpret it correctly, so really the whole thing is a trap. The more you try to make sense of it the more it harms you, unless you have that magical insanity of the true believer.

>>2387732
God is loving because He lets us live instead of killing us all.

I worship at the altar of Shokotan. I read her blog three times per day and listen to her music at least once. I also friended her on Xbox Live. And I have saved all of her blog pictures from the last year or so. These are my rituals. I have no gods before her.

I hope this answers your question, Japan.

>>2387727
It was the quaker movement who agitated in the north to abolish slavery. Without those who interpreted the bible in a loving way, there would have been no such movement.... nigers would still be second class citizens.

>>2387732
Actually, he can, because ,you know, he owns this joint, see?

A "loving god" is part of it. "An avenging god" is another. He gives you a chance. If you screw up then ITS YOUR OWN DAMN PROBLEM. He is not "nice".

or the abolition of child labor during the industrial revolution. A similar thing would NEVER happen anywhere in asia. They still think child prostitution is a good time to be had by all.

I wanted to respond to a couple of these, but who cares?

>>2387749
Yahweh is still a scumbag, though. He screwed up Abraham's life to test his faith and then, when asked why, he basically just said, "I'm God, got a problem with it?"

>>2387749
The only "loving" or "avenging" part of God is a reflection of humanity. Are you really arrogant enough to look at something like the Hubble Deep Field image and truly believe that man is made in God's image? The Christian god was made in man's image.

>>2387757
I think we christians pretty much have this sewn up. GOD JESUS RULES!

Who's /jp/s favorite sister?

Maybe I should ask in a separate thread ...

;_;

>>2387760
By making him filthy rich? May be screw up my life as well!
>>2387761
So far, the only comments about the "image" part was about being a creative force. Our main quality is creation, something no other creature in this planet has.

>>2387748
>>2387751

But those interpretations aren't correct or accurate. The bible supports slavery and children had no rights. I think it had to do more with personal morality rather than faith or religion.

>>2387779
>Filhty rich
I thought that was a sin

>>2387784
you're mom is a sin

>>2387779
Many animals can make tools, and if you're talking about art, how would you recognize non-human art? Arguably Koko the gorilla has produced "art".

>>2387781
>The bible supports slavery and children had no rights.
Uh...what?

The Bible is a series of books that were written a long time ago back when having servants/slaves was common and children did not have any rights. So it's not like it supports slavery.

Christians, answer me this: if your god is all powerful, why does he need people to believe in him, and why are there negative experiences in the world? There's no point to it, since God could make us all infinitely happy at no cost to us, which he should be inclined to want to do, if he actually "loves" us, or even sorta likes us. If you say "to test us" or any shit like that, he already knows the result and shouldn't need to put the "true believers" through life to find out.
Also, why the HELL did he need to put Jesus on a cross to "die for our sin" when he's all powerful and could've done all that with less effort than a wave of the hand?

>>2387798
This is what Christians actually believe.

>>2387781
>>2387784
After 7 years of work, your slaves gain the right to freedom, and you must provide them so they can set off by themselves. If they wish to remain with you, then they will still be your slaves. Children must be taught, loved, and disciplined by their parents.

And that's what the bible says! Now how about not making stuff up? Or better yet, actually read the bible.

>>2387802
Because God isn't all-powerful, just more powerful than people can comprehend.

>>2387802
I guess you've never played Mountain of Faith, huh?

>>2387798
Who the fuck taught you religion?

>>2387833
In Judea-Christian beliefs, God is in fact all-powerful. He is omnipotent and omnipresent. The generally accepted reasoning for why he just doesn't press the 'I FIX' button is because he gave humans free will. And stepping in to fix every little problem that humans created themselves would defeat the point of free will.

>>2387839
D&D style faith isn't the same as Christianity faith. But it's equally stupid.

>>2387860
>D&D
>Mountain of Faith
There is no image macro to express what I am feeling right now.

>>2387842
So you're saying that the Bible isn't a series of books that were written thousands of years ago?

>>2387859
The "little problems" are literally insignificant compared to the very major problem of eternal suffering in hell, and that one's all God's fault.

>>2387889
>compared to the very major problem of eternal suffering in hell, and that one's all God's fault
This is what non-Catholics really believe.

>>2387802
I will repeat this once again: God does not need us. He isn't going to be missing anything if we all perish. He does what he must because he is trying to give us a chance. That's it.

>>2387899
God made everything. If God had not made hell no humans would have to suffer there (for infinity years!), so God is responsible for it.

>>2387868
?

>>2387905
It's only canceling a punishment that he himself gave. It's like robbing somebody and then claiming you're generous because you gave it back.

Ok. Experiment results was not unexpected, but still dissapointing. I thought after so many years of brainwashing from Japanese media you all would be bubbling with Buddhism and Shinto. I guess you all can go back to your "OMG nutbladder" and "Mai waifu" threads now. Sorry to have wasted your time and mine.

Heaven and Hell are too stupid to believe. If Heaven is perfect why did Satan rebel? If God is loving why does he use the ultimate disproportional punishment INFINITE SUFFERING?

>>2387924
I'm glad I successfully trolled your idealistic thread. It makes me warm inside. I'd love to talk about Buddhism, but on 4chan, enlightenment is only gained by trolling correctly. I think I've reached another level of understanding.

Anyone who follows Buddhism and/or Shinto because they think it makes them more Asian is a dick head and should be eradicated immediately.

But if you actually believe in that stuff then its fine.

That is all.

>>2387924
Buddhism isn't particularly Japanese, and non-Japanese can't do Shinto.

>>2387924
/jp/ hates everything japan related, except for porn and touhou

Can Buddhists masturbate to loli?

>>2387927
It's not eternal suffering unless you were a truly horrible sinner and totally unrepentant during life. Otherwise, yes, you will suffer torments in Hell but once you pay your dues you will be allowed into Heaven for the rest of eternity.

>>2387751
That has more to do with economic factors than it does religion. Child labor still exists today mainly in 3rd world countries and has appeals to the poor. Of course you are an American, which means you don't know or care where South America is and the conditions it is in.

A realist is one who does not care whether there is a religion or not because they know that religion will not help you survive reality. Most political figures or tyrants understand this concept thoroughly well. As Napoleon once said, "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping people quiet."

>>2387946
They don't need to, Buddhists have reached the level of spiritual enlightenment to actually become the little girl.

>>2387953
But I'm an idealist and anyone who prefers 2D is one as well.

>>2387953
That was Marx, right?

>>2387954
moot is Buddha?

>>2387951
An uncrossable chasm separates heaven from hell, people who are stuck there are stuck there forever.

all i can see in op's pic is maltesers

>>2387779
creativity is just the ability to filter useful data out of an unrelated set. It is only a function of our intelligence that we are so creative.

Do you believe in evolution?

>>2387927
there are books by apologists that address all these questions. also not all Christians believe the over simplified Christianity you are talking about

>>2387951
I think you're talking about Purgatory. Sorry. Just a Catholicfag's thought.

>>2388013
There are Buddhist and Islamic and Hindu and neo-pagan apologists too. Why should I believe your word over theirs?

>>2388025
i really don't care what you believe, but you were posting those questions as if no one has ever thought of an answer to them.
i simply find deism to be more logical than atheism

>>2388030

Look people. Christianity was correct when written by the prophets and apostles but afterwards the prophets and apostles were all killed. Spoken of by the apostle Paul himself:

>2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Where the true church of God was removed from the earth. ALL christian religions after that time were based on incorrect interpretations, missing information, and outright lies. All the problems people have had in this thread are because fools came along and ruined what god gave to the people and god allowed it because people are stupid and if it's what they want it's what they get.

Forward 1800 years and God had to come back down and say "Yo bitches it's me, you all suck ass, stop with the shit, seriously stop it" and gave Joseph Smith the true religion that once existed on the earth.

I'm right and you're all wrong so now that that's cleared up let's post more religion.

>>2388062
wat?

Can we all agree that we shouldn't let our religious ideology rule our political, social, and technological advances?
Sure religion made sense a hundred years ago when people didn't know how it rain or what causes thunder, but this is the new millennium already. If anyone told that he was the son of god, or that he has to sacrifice his son to appease god, you would call the cops. Times have changed and so you have to not take things literally.

>>2388062
You can't fool me with your golden tablets - I watched the South Park episode.

>>2388062
Joseph Smith is another false prophet, sorry.

oh Mormonism! well that's just silly

>>2388074
well i would say that many people in the modern world still believe in the super natural and that does not make them stupid

>>2388084
Don't make me fireball your ass.

I find the total lack of actual atheists on /jp/ discouraging. Especially when I notice all the Christians.

>>2388074
This thread was originally about Buddhism and it's related religions and cultural values. Some butthurt anon came in and complained that he was "abused" by being brought up in a Christian household. This is not the thread for that kind of thing. Anyway, thread fucked up beyond all recognition and no chance of a good religion discussion here or anywhere on 4chan. Experiment was expected and a failure. Masive fail but not unforseen.

>>2388076
Yeah, they got a few things wrong in that episode though ... meh, whatever.

>>2388084
Yes, but how many of them are researchers and scientists who we all can attribute the reason why life is good? Without them we wouldn't have tv, internet, medicine, cure for TB, internet, fertilizer, etc. etc. etc. Sure they may believe in the supernatural in their private life, but when they are at work, they cannot rely on the supernatural. I mean can you just imagine a researcher looking at results and saying god made it that way? It explains nothing and so the researcher have to rely on natural explanations.

>>2388102

That's because we have the sense not to post in a troll thread.

No matter what you say, Christianity abused me mentally, spiritually and physically.

>>2388105

>>2388102

All the atheists are on /v/.

>>2388062
>Mormon

Sorry but this religion is just plain silly.

>>2388152
Whatever helps you to deny God's Word in the morning, bro

>>2388110
many of the greatest minds of the 19th and 20th centuries were deists if not hard core Christians

protip : Buddhism doesn't require or force you to drop other religion belief.

Everyone in this thread needs to read The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

Hell just read anything

>>2388176
I know, newton, Leibniz, Descartes, etc. They all interpreted their work as figuring out the mind of god's. But of course what we remember about them is not their religion but their work with the natural sciences. Hell, Newton wrote more on alchemy and theology than he did physics, but we remember him for physics because it was applicable and has more uses.
TL: DR Just because a scientist is a deist does not make his works have religious meaning.

>>2388201
I'll pick it up at the library next time I go. Happy now?

>>2388218

I only wish for people to pursue knowledge.

is this some kind of weeaboo philosophy

forgot my hat

>>2388245
yes

religion is dumb lol