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Hurry up case files sequel

>>23868355
wait for Winter, anon

>>23868116
meh op

>>23869381
Nice try, but you're using my gimmick against me.

>>23869402
>got exposed on my first attempt
some faker I am

What exactly is the difference/connection between Gaia and Archetype:Earth?

Akiha makes me smile.

>>23868700
That's too far away.

>>23873143
I know and i understand that, but it won't come before Winter Comiket or something. I really can't wait for Sanda/TM to tease some stuff on twitter or reveal more info about the sequel too, also wonder if Mineji will continue being the illustrator or not since he didn't retweet or mention anything about CF sequel on his twitter. To be honest i'm not a big fan of his artstyle but i appreciate how much effort he put into designing the outfits in Case Files.

>>23869795
>>23875419
cute boys

What do you think Type Uranus is like?

>>23869402
Also I guess I'll give background on why I started the meh op posting.
About a year ago, I made a thread first, but the maker of the second thread who was slow was annoyed by the OP and managed to convince everyone to post there instead.
This, unless the first thread is a troll thread is wrong, the early bird should always get the worm.
So from now on, any OP I don't enjoy is meh, or is I outright dislike it it will be something else.
All because they found mine meh, and they had a powertrip.

does being a Type/Ultimate One of a planet also mean you're the brain of that said planet as well? kinda curious since the term 星の頭脳体 has only been used for Princess Arc and that coralArc/Jeanne in Tsuki no Sango

GO THE FUCK TO SLEEP

>Really missing the point of "educate the clever barbarian" trope is almost impressive.<

Finished Hisui’s arc and... Yasu is basically Kohaku?

Hello oneesan! How are you?????

>>23872362
You make her smile, too.

>>23884245
T-thanks, y-you too

>>23868116
Makes me think of her doujin series.

>>23872362
I want to drink with Akiha and last less than Hisui!

>>23885640
Then what will you do?
Make up an excuse to take Hisui to her room, do stuff with Akiha while Hisui is drunk....or maybe....

https://twitter.com/KaroshiMyriad/status/1262889738744270849

Nothing but sadness but also a sense of truth.

>>23868116

Can't help but smile

>>23886944
I thought people had accepted this already.

>>23887069

Definitely true, but for some reason every time it's talked about again and again.

My heart feels like it want to be ripped out.

TYPE MOON now is not what they were back then which alludes to the "Why won't Type-Moon make other games?"

>>23886293
I would ask Kohaku to carry me to my room and give her lots of hugs afterwards.

>>23888531
Oh to have Kohaku caring for me as I spew drunk thoughts

>>23885430
Shut your whore mouth.

>>23885430
>>23891194
I hate that the doujin series with Aoko and Alba has such god tier art and designs but is also really fucking weird NTR.

>>23891265
It really isn't NTR, mindbreak is all it really is.
It is also 100% OOC and completely nonsensical garbage so it belongs in the trash.
In the time Mahoyo happened Alba would never be in such a situation, and he only cares about Touko so it is just beyond retarded.

Shitposters be damned.

>>23868116
Her red hair is pretty.

>>23891410
Her natural brown hair is unmatched.

>>23670469
Anyone have the Notes After Image soundtrack (preferably lossless)? The one on nyaa has had no seeders for a while

Hello, I'm a Helper on the French to English TL team for Mahoyo. I can see dev channels and shit like that.

Anyway, it's all bullshit. Just see for yourself:

>>23894348
Why must the TM translation community in particular be so goddamn cancerous?

>>23893241
>lossless
Just lossy and I think you'll have to tag it yourself. The filenames contain the track titles though. Good enough for you?

>>23894348
>it's all bullshit.
what is?

>>23881610
No.
>星の頭脳体
This just means the Brain of the celestial body. Which was applied on those cases.
Types are just now "very independent existences" or whatever Nasu has labeled.

Is it ok to read mahoyo without having read anything else from type moon?

>>23896391
It's as good a starting point as KnK/Tsukihime/Stay Night.

>>23896391
It's a perfect start point because it actually fully explains what magecraft is about and set the pieces for both Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai.

>>23895022

It's both amazing and depressing.

>>23896391
It's ideal.

>>23896504
>>23896906
>>23897415
Alright thanks.

>>23887991
They found their golden eggs, now they can sit down and make money on what's basically automatic pilot, being honest here I think they should take this chance to start projects, they have the money for it. I know the whole Studio BB thing, but so far that's only smoke, unless we get solid info is still in the air, the same with Tsukihime r emake entering "test" play or the new CGs shown at the T-M expo.
Guys...I miss them...

The English translation of Mahoyo Chapter 8.5 has been released

>>23898074
It's shit.

>>23895121
thanks, lossy would be much better than nothing, as long as it's a CD rip and not a youtube rip

>>23897967
I was always under the desperate assumption that they're mining for gold hard right to have infinite wiggle room for passion projects in the future.

Whether that future is near or far is to be seen.

>>23901007
That was always a hard cope. FGO is now over 5 years old. How many gazillions do you need to work on things that you care about? Mahoyo certainly didn't have gazillions in budget, and visually speaking it's miles above anything in FGO, despite the latter having a far greater budget and arguably better technology at hand.
The idea that TM needed to sell their souls to the most braindead mainstream content possible to then use the profits gained from it for passed on projects, has always been hilariously asinine when you consider that everything post-Mahoyo is done as cheaply as possible, and it isn't as if TM even needed the money in the first place. They were always a successful studio.
Nasu and Takeuchi are just gold diggers. Plain and simple. Nasu would be content playing shitty video games all day while doing his nth interview about Fate/stay night. He is a lazy shit

>>23900647
They actually went and fixed the issues with 8.

>>23894348
With how retarded everyone in that server acts, I'm partial to believe it's a joke.

>>23901240
No joke, the only reason TYPE-MOON exists is because Takeuchi took Nasu aside, told him "Stop wasting your talents and write a proper novel. I'll support you." So they started a website together on which Nasu started his webnovel "Kara no Kyoukai". But the site wasn't getting much traffic, so Takeuchi said "let's make a VN as advertisement fo KnK". So they moved in together and Takeuchi had Nasu write full time while Takeuchi would work to support them both, while in the evenings he'd work on the art. The only qualification that Takeuchi enforced for inducting members into their circle was being able to get along well with Nasu. And then he turned TYPE-MOON into a full legal company purely as a vehicle for Nasu to write more novels.

Type-Moon has always been entry level, but GO ushered in a new age of low quality content. Takeuchi's going to milk out whatever little creativity Nasu has left while shooting down any fun ideas just like he did with original Fate draft, now distilled to maximize whaling in one of the worst gachas in the market

Then we get another samey Ufotable adaptation years later with all the budget dumped into fight scenes

>>23902228
Takeuchi seems like top wife material in the first paragraph.

>>23902228
>>23902577
Arcueid was explicitly written and designed based on an actual french model that Takeuchi had some kind of crush on. It's pretty common in the fandom community to create 'gift' content in which you deliberately pander to a specific friend or colleague, which is exactly what Arcueid is, and exactly why her romance with Tohno Shiki is written as a ditzy foreigner girl being a tourist in Japan and having a fling with a local. Also why despite being written like Ryougi Shiki genderbent, Tohno Shiki is designed to look like Mikiya, who in turn is made to resemble Takeuchi. That their love-at-first-sight moment is Shiki cutting Arc into 30-some pieces was obviously meant to troll Takeuchi. I would assume that by this point they had been together long enough that this sort of thing would pass for couples humour rather than anything threatening.

>No Nasu, you don't get it. The Vampire chick should look like this cute french model from this fashion magazine. And we meed maid, everyone loves maids. And sex, don't forget the sex.
>Oh, you don't want to write sex? Okay, I'll do it for you
>Silly Nasu, nobody buys otome games. Make the MC a guy and turn King Arthur into a hot blonde chick that looks like Hisui. Also, make Rider a girl. Trust me on this. Also, the loli should be approcheable instead of batshit crazy, we can sell more merch this way.

Only Kara no Kyoukai, Mahoutsukai no Yoru and Last Encore are pure 100% Nasu

it's unsightly like apple skin

https://twitter.com/tukamorisyuuji/status/1263460158908198912

>>23901604
They're all underage, that explains a lot.

>>23902666
>Kara no Kyoukai, Mahoutsukai no Yoru and Last Encore
One of these things is not like the others.

>>23903019
Last Encore and Extella felt completely like Nasu stories though

>>23903043
I don't care to suffer through extella, but I did suffer through Last Encore for some stupid reason and it mostly was just an incoherent mess.

>>23901604
maybe but they say shit like this unironically all the time

>>23903430
Have you seen that bucketguy? he's such a cringelord holy shit.

>>23903541
He willingly allowed french people into the discord...

>>23903541
>>23903596
>discord
>not cringe
Choose only one

>>23900647
even with all of its issues its still better than any of mirror moons shit lmao

>>23903675
>t.4digitmen

>>23903707
I don't type like that smartass.

Is the Extra stuff worth getting into?
I'm talking about the Extra games (the musou ones too) as well as the Last Encore anime.
I've heard mixed things about them, like Extra and Last Encore being meh and shit but CCC being aparently one of the best things Nasu wrote...so idk.

>>23905262
The gameplay is ok if you think watching paint dry is the height of entertainment, the stories range from low-effort derivatives to incoherent garbage. CCC being good is a meme spread to troll EOPs.

>>23901007
Nasu and Take aren't getting any younger. Between Nasu's so-called claim to want to finish Tsuki remake and a potential Extra remake before deciding to do something else, that window of opportunity is closing bit by bit. And then there's whatever was the original plan for Mahoyo series.

>>23897967

>I know the whole Studio BB thing, but so far that's only smoke, unless we get solid info is still in the air, the same with Tsukihime r emake entering "test" play or the new CGs shown at the T-M expo.

Yeah this shit ain't nothing until we actually get to see it especially the tsukihime one. What if that supposedly new Arc pic that was shown at TM-Museum was actually something they finish in the past?

>Guys...I miss them...

Don't worry, I wrote down a whole bunch of notes how to bring them back. The first step is we build a time machine and take the current Nasu and go back in time to 2012 and switch Nasu's.

>>23901007

One, I can kinda believe if this was some kind of big brain moon they have planned, but I still believe this is wayyy far stretched reason because why is it so hard to tell the real fans the planned games they had is just no more?

>>23901007
>passion projects in the future.
Nasu does have a passion project at the moment which is a RPG as stated in FSN15th book, but he says he can only work on that project - something he truly wants after finishing the homework that is FGO and Tsukihime Remake

>>23900942
try this
https://mega.nz/file/wF4RwARI#Ax28isYtr7-Ld4cECgkwFRAbs_Jmd7LO-3ubpzn_Vlw

>>23907862
What's the source on the image

>>23917446
Don't know if this is legit, but unironically this would be a huge ripoff of Takeuchi's pioneering innovation.

>>23917446
I wonder if we'll ever see a western adaptation of Fate, the franchise is becoming kinda popular I wouldn't be surprised if some studio wanted to get some quick money out of it.

>>23917662
Not saying it will never happen, but I feel like they missed the boat by not cashing in on the Fate/Zero craze since it's by far the most western-friendly of the fate franchises. The rest of it is too obviously otaku/japanese.

You CANNOT name a comfier type moon ost
https://youtu.be/_ZcnPp-Iolo

was the gatling gun scene in fsn a DOOM reference

>>23917178
Me, only translated that page though.

>>23917446
>>23917662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_(2020_TV_series)
It doesn't seem to be a genderbent Arthur but a series focusing on the lady of the lake

>>23903596
And yet you're using a tl from french people because english people weren't able to complete a single one in all those years.

>>23917662
>he franchise is becoming kinda popular
lol
just lol
>kinda
lol

https://type-moon-museum.com/news/?id=54196
official apology for all mistakes in Fate15th booklet

>>23921916
Mistakes?

>>23921916
Mugen is too powerful.

>>23921916
What mistakes? I didn't read it.

>>23921916
man, they should really step up their game.

>>23921916
They fucked up a Carnival Phantasm image too? Wew, I didn't see that earlier.

>>23907862
dope, thanks

>>23905262
If you want to get into Extra for CCC you 100% got trolled

>>23878613
Probably something about as bizarre and alien looking as Type Mercury I'm sure. Was there a particular reason Mercury was a giant spider?

>>23886965
So it's finally here, I was waiting for the Arc version.

>>23905489
Makes sense, the person I know that keeps giving CCC a blowjob hasn't even played it, so it could be one of those cases of people overhyping a non translated game.
>>23928642
is it that bad?

>>23929961
How much you enjoy CCC depends entirely of how hard you believe/ are willing to convince yourself that all the sex innuendo over the entire game actually serves a point and not just entirely a result of Nasu playing bayonetta and liking it. There's multiple lengthy conversations about one of the characters refusing to wear underwear for example.

and the gameplay is still just Extra, except they made stat distribution automatic. Not worth it for the gameplay for sure.

>>23918607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cpv0VvvUK4&list=PL6B3745A9F9F6C2DF&index=43

How many of you guys have your own writing projects? Has TM influenced you?

>>23905784
If GRRM can churn out books at a snail's pace at 71 years old with 1/100th of the same capital without a Takeuchi in his life to prop him up then the ever so young Nasu can do it too.

>>23932523
I don't know about the GoT fags, but for me, I've long come to term with not expecting any more new Nasu stuff that utilizes his older works. Just like how I've come to accept I'll probably never get to finish Berserk.

>>23932572
Miura only in his 50s. He might finish it in about 20 years or so.

>>23902228
What? Takeuchi was the one making up weird ideas like Emiya Alter, Santa Alter, a watergun Artoria, and Maid Alter with a sniper rifle watergunl. He was also the one who made the SQ in FGO worth way more twice so he doesn't seem to be the guy in it just for a cashgrab either. He does have issues with lazy sameface and reused poses for some of his art but when he puts in the work he does it really good and is probably on the high end for being creative (if a little bit over designed) with costumes for servants he draws. I don't think Takeuchi sold his soul.

>>23902666
>make Rider a girl
>Also, the loli should be approcheable
I think the second one is Len but who is the first referring to?

>>23898074
This is never going to come out is it?

>>23907862
I feel like Nero's centuries old outdated biology knowledge would be of little use to her.

>>23918607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwHuUGYIlA
Still the undisputed champion but Mahou's ost is great.

>>23922622
Someone accidentally put an image of a Mugen fight with Melty Blood characters in it instead of an actual image of Melty Blood when they were talking about it in the book.

>>23932697
Tsukihime has so much soul in it.

>>23930932
If someone were going to make something Type Moon inspired what are the most unique concepts they could bring other than reality marbles or MEoDP?

>>23932661
The Rider bit refers to Medusa, who was going to be a man in Fate until they changed it. Also I'm pretty sure the approachable loli refers to Ilya.

>>23930932
I have a writing project and although Nasu is an influence, I have read lots and lots of VNs, so Nasu is not the only one.

>>23932831
His writing style maybe? (Not my case)
I also think that there are some concepts that could be evolved from what he did like making the relation of Arcueid/Type Moon more centered on Kaguya/Tsukuyomi.

I myself intend to make an Arcueid type character (in the sense of a planet soul being) but with himecut instead aside from other changes.

Tsukihime doujins> Tsukhime remake

>>23933865
Aside the mini-skirt, the cross necklace still bugs me. I don't see the point.

>>23902666
>>No Nasu, you don't get it. The Vampire chick should look like this cute french model from this fashion magazine. And we meed maid, everyone loves maids. And sex, don't forget the sex.
>>Oh, you don't want to write sex? Okay, I'll do it for you
>>Silly Nasu, nobody buys otome games. Make the MC a guy and turn King Arthur into a hot blonde chick that looks like Hisui. Also, make Rider a girl. Trust me on this. Also, the loli should be approcheable instead of batshit crazy, we can sell more merch this way.

Everything about this just proves my thought about the guy.

TAKEUCHI IS A DANGEROUS MAN.

Class: Caster

Alternate Classes: Rider

True Name: Takashi Takeuchi

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Armament: Trusty drawing pencil

Manifestation Cost: Impossible

Bio: (Japanizing Beam Artist)

Parameters

Strength: C+

Endurance: A+

Agility: H+K

Mana: A

Luck: EX

NP: EX

Notes.:Ciel, Arecuid, Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku

Class Skills:

Territory Creation

Item Construction

Personal Skills:

TYPE-MOON(EX) (Co-Founder)

Never ending influence (EX) (Takeuchi's imagination is so beyond others that eventually, he somehow persuades them. No matter what circumstances).

Same pose syndrome(EX) (Takeuchi's drawing are so similar that it's not even possible to recognized who did it).

Noble Phantasms:

Unlimited King of Knights (EX) ("The mind of a human who pursues the blonde-haired female knight he adores until the utmost limit. Employing all his skills, an infinite number of characters similar to Saber will be given life. A great delusion that erodes the stance of the company.")

Personality: Cultural man

Wish for the Holy Grail: Gender Bending at his own will.

Relationships: Boyfriend of Kinoko Nasu

Likes: Ciel ass and favorite character to draw, Hisui.

Dislikes: Coloring

Talents: Drawing and imaginary.

Natural Enemy: Deadlines

>>23933671
Takeuchi please.
I'd rather this didn't exist.

>>23934013
Aoko and Olga aside, isn't it pretty much just AATM?

>>23934050
>Olga
Aren't you mistaking her for Sunao?

>>23934013
That is a fanart tho

>>23934926
Was I supposed to tell the difference?

>>23933671
>that saber
lmao, hunchback of notre dame

>>23930932
Urban fantasy setting I made for tabletop had some inspirations

>>23932523
Martin is just a burnout, he did those glorified history books pretty quickly but actually trying to untangle the mess hes made for himself would be real work.

>>23933671
I is like takeuchi made sprites and reutilize them with paint only reducing the size or increasing or turning them and them placing them on bodies.
Custom Reido V did a better job frankly.

>>23944143
>trying to untangle the mess hes made for himself would be real work.

explain

>>23934285
He is. Everybody does at some point.
Funny because Sunao background was indeed interesting.

>>23933865
How has the TM fanbase changed over the years?

>>23944867
I'm curious about how far she'll go. Narbareck saw potential in her after all.

>>23944879
A lot of Melty Blood and powerlevels discussion.

>>23944850
Untangle the Meerenese Knot and deal with all the different subplots in the North, and get them done before a Dream of Spring

>>23930932
I once wrote a short story about a farmhand in rural notspain that found an injured chupacabra and tends to its' wounds. At the end a pair of men come and take the creature away.

I wrote it so that it was all but said that they were from the Mage Association. God I wish I saved that story somewhere.

Why does this guy look like Roa? Was he originally going to be a Roa reincarnation?

>>23947098
Maybe in a different world he is. And maybe in another he rawdogs Gransurg every Tuesday. The Kaleidoscope works in mysterious ways.

Random thought: did that Last Encore script book ever got scanned?

FGO did more pseudo servant shit and spoiled several requiem plot points for the collab

please clap

>>23951884
Your own problem for still willfully following FGO.

>>23952211
artists I follow on twitter keep spamming news so It's either getting mad or parting with porn because they refuse to use pixiv

>>23952268
You just not give a shit about it.

I could not give less of a shit about FGO but some of the promotional art is still nice.

That's how they get you.

>>23951570
Yes, the link is on BL Last Encore thread

>>23952644
The mediafire link is dead and the other one is to baidu which apparently requires baidu's software to download and I'm kinda iffy about downloading chinese software.

>>23952613
The CMs are pretty cool too.

>>23952211
>>23951884
Do people even give a shit about Requiem?

>>23952268
I jack off to a bunch of FGO doujin without caring or knowing about their lore.

why and how can a space probe become servant?

>>23953077
Because go read F/SN you retard
>Haven't you been taught that any humans, animals, or machines that leave any great achievements behind get removed from the ring of reincarnation and sublimate into beings of higher rank? Heroes are that sort of beings. To put it simply, they have been worshipped and made into artificial gods.

>>23953077
We've had servant that are fairy tales, servants that are just AIs from ayylien computers, servant that is robot ninjas, servant that is a horse man thing, servant that is a zombie centaur thing. Space probe hardly seems that odd at this point.

>>23952613
is that fucking harada

>>23955393
Yeah Harada has drawn two servants for FGO already

>>23955807
I prefer her adult form more

>>23953077
I think the dinosaur is a bigger problem

>>23956729
Not an actual dinosaur, just an Oni that fucked herself up and looks like one.

Apparently Meteo didn't write the event, so I wonder if DW went over his head when they planned this collab.

>>23957764
You'd think Nasu would at least respect the one writer that is actually part of Type-Moon, eh?

>>23959925
They don't care anymore.

Is F/Requiem any good/considered any good, at least? Its existence went over my head for the most part.

>>23960190
You'll be fine without it desu. It's probably as irrelevant as Fire Girl. Some just started reading it because of FGO. That should tell you enough.

>>23952833
Last Encore Your Score downloaded from that baidu link and uploaded to nyaa.si/view/1249828

>>23960190
I bought and read it on release because I'm a sucker for Meteo's writing and, while not his best work, it's good enough.

Tonally it's not too similar to anything else Fate, but I found that a nice change of pace from the usual formula. Plus Erice is a genuinely enjoyable MC.

My biggest complaint would be that it's a bit short, so it leaves a lot of unanswered questions about the setting. But that should get fixed with the collab + Vol. 2.
Apparently it's been translated, so I'd reccomend you check it out.

>>23956729
Kijo Koyo? She's a demon from nip folktale so not that far off since we've already got a bunch of other youkai like Osakabehime.

What are the best TM works not written by Nasu?

>>23961831
I genuinely enjoy Prisma. It scratches that Negima itch of magic/fantasy works that has more worldbuilding that it lets on.

>>23961831
I can vouch for Case Files. Strange Fake is apparently good but I haven't read it yet.

>>23960933
Awesome thanks.

I can't believe this is the ancestor of the Tohno's.

>>23961924
Is that how it is in the Fate world version? Because based off quick googling, it seems that she's supposed to be daughter of the Demon of the 6th Heaven (no relation to Nobu, or rather it's where Nobu got the nickname). And in some variation of the tale, she became the consort of Raikou's ancestor, so I thought they might play on those two conceptual connections instead.

>>23961831
Obligatory Fate/Zero mention. Back before FGO it probably used to be the main entry point into the fandom for a while, and not without reason. It aint perfect but for what it is its engaging, has some great characters and works as a great companion piece to F/SN, at least in my opinion.

The other guy mentioned Case Files, and while I haven't read it, I can at least say I liked the single season of anime that came out. I wasn't blown out by it but I undoubtedly enjoyed it, and the Rider scene at the end caught me completely off guard and made me actually feel stuff. Once again, thanks F/Z. I'll be eagerly awaiting for s2 of this one, I've grown quite fond of some of the cast and it's really great to see Waver interacting with different parts of Nasuverse lore.

The other guy mentioned Prisma, but that's not such a sure sell for me. I enjoyed some parts of it quite intensly, but at least for me a big part of S2 were almost unwatchable. Might be an unpopular opinion, but the sheer amount of lolicon bait and sol filler in that season put me off to the point of dropping, and I only forced myself through it when 3rei came out. Maybe the manga was better, dunno.

>>23961924
Word's going around that she's not their ancestor at all, but rather something adjacent to the origin of Akiha in particular; at least that's what I caught. Dunno how much truth there's to that tho so don't quote me.

>>23961831
I'm a fan of Urobuchi so I quite like Zero. It's sad that the LN is not licensed I would love to have a physical copy of it.

>>23962600
>a fan of Urobuchi
But are you a fan of puppets?

>>23929076
Oort Cloud -> Ort Kumo -> Kumo = spider
See also >>/jp/thread/S23405636#p23427860

>>23962647
That's Thunderbolt Fantasy right?, If never been attracted to puppets but I've seen some clips of that show and it looks like a fun watch, I might give it a try someday.
btw I'm more of a fan of his VN work, I would love for him to get back into the medium and write something for Nitro+

>>23961924
Prettier than Akiha.
If she didn't have those bleh human forms, she'll be the perfect waifu.

>>23929076
>Mercury
Because it's not Mercury is the Oort Cloud, the ORT Spider is a meme anagram because kumo means cloud and spider (different kanji).

So if Arc has tits and Ciel has Ass then what does Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku and Satsuki have?

>>23963623
Ahika's voice is hot as fuck. I always get a boner if I play her in Melty Blood.

>>23956011
Is she summoned in her adult form in the manga?

>>23963623
Personality

>>23963976
Pretty sure that's just a flashback.

>>23963623
Smug and dominant Akiha has the sex appeal.

Who's that schizo making Tsukihime threads on /a/?

>>23964036
>schizo
>tsukihime thread
Sounds like it's just that weirdo korean again.

>>23964036
Thread about the manga or threads asking for an anime adaptation?
>>23963999
When she gets into that slightly creppy mode of hers she steals the show, most of the stuff with her is so intense and interesting.

>>23964079
Are you talking about after she kills SHIKI and absorbs some of his personality into herself and starts changing?

It is the mark of a good story that there can be this much variation in opinion concerning which route is the best?

Are the tsukihime files broken in OP? I wanted to try it out in it's native language but the files don't seem to want to work

>>23964036
the gook who spammed fate seems to have started tsukihime

>>23964668
Tell me about the gook, Who is he?

>>23964679
Nobody knows, what we do know is that they have very broken English and make plenty of Fate threads showing shit taste and awareness.

>>23964323
how do we fix the remake designs?

>>23964679
No idea. All I know is that somewhere around like 6 or so months ago, some retard kept spamming threads on /a/ with shitty english and nonsensical collages. It started off with shit like DARK SABER THE STRONGEST LOOK THIS and then it became LION KING WOW WHAT BEST KING GILGAMESH? PFFT. And now that fucker seems to have latched onto Tsukihime. He even samefags/ talks to himself on /vg/'s FGO threads and it's kinda sad.

I'd guess he's not even a person but an actual bot, but then even bots these days have a better understanding of the english language than him.

>>23964804
go back a step or two, MBAC and before's art has a very nice visual novel feel to it.

>>23964804
>either revert to old Arc or at the very least remove the cross and return to the original lower half
>give back Ciel her sideburns, she looks too soft now, maybe something like pic related, didn't edit further because it was more work than I was willing to put
>bring back Kohaku's old maid uniform

Hisui and Shiki are fine at first glance. Akiha, well, some people complain about the colors, but she seems fine, too. Sacchin is the clear winner currently in terms of redesign and Arc the worst.

The pipe dream is >>23964963

>>23964963
>>23965059
What is exactly wrong with Arc and Ciel's designs?

>>23964824
Still boggles my mind how he still isn't rangebanned
/a/ mods are faggots

>>23963999
Remember that Akiha could have, in theory, just crippled Shiki to keep him all to herself.

>>23964323
Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku, and Sacchin improved. Shiki is more or less the same for me. Melty Arc and Ciel are better than the new versions.

>>23964323
Shiki's old knife may have been a brick that doesn't make any structural sense, but I loved that thing.

Might as well share my autism here too.

Jan III Sobieski
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Attribute: Human

An early-modern hero-king of a stagnating country. While unable to stop his homeland's decline, he gave its people their last taste of greatness for a very long time. A great military commander, respected by both allies and enemies.

Class:Rider

Parameters:
Strenght C+
Endurance B
Agility D (A+ when mounted)
Mana E
Luck B
NP A+

Noble Phantasm:
Salvation of Vienna - The Charge of the Winged Hussars
Anti-Army, rank A+
Acting out his legend, the warrior-king calls upon the spectres of his great army to recreate the greatest cavalry charge in military history. The size of the manifestation can be limited in order to suit smaller skirmishes, while unleashing its full power can shatter an army (extremely mana-intensive, with the servant's limited mana capacity limited the NP's scale unless really needed is highly advised). In addition to causing significant damage, the combination of the charge's incredible speed with the clouds of dust it brings and the incredibly loud noise made by all the hussar's wings have a disorienting effect on the target(s), decreasing their ability to defend themselves for some time upon activation.

Class Skills:
Riding A
Magic Resistance E

Personal Skills:
Charisma B
Tactics A
Hussar's Wings C- = decreases the power of both mounts and mounted foes faced by Rider.
Lion of Lechistan D = seen by many in his time as a protector of the catholic faith, Rider benefits from a weak defensive ability similar in some ways to divine protection. It is not caused by any sort of divine intervention, nor is it a boon for his own sarifice for his faith - it reflects the belief of both his people and enemies that this person was a champion to his religion.

C.D.

>>23966496
Equipment:
Sabre
Pistol
Cavalry Lance (extremely long, only usable when mounted).
Horse - not a named beast of any prominence, just an image of a good horse from the royal stables. Rider is able to gallop on both land and sky while riding his horse, that is however caused by his own legend as a winged horseman, rather than the horse's own ability.

Wish for the grail - prevent his death from obesity and put himself back in shape, so that he can actually go back and try reforming his degrading state, in order to both set up his own dynasty and prevent his country's eventual fall.

My autism rank: EX
how bad is it

>>23965172
much like their character, they suck

>>23965172
I don't claim to be some sort of objective authority on this issue, and if you've been in these threads for any amount of time you've likely heard my complaints about Arc's redesign, but for me the crucial thing that the new redesign -- other than complaints about Takeuchi's diminishing artstyle in general -- is probably the lack of suitable contrast inherent in it, something which, whether intentional or not, always struck me as genius about her old design. Arc is really a character of stark contrasts overall; showing incredible maturity and wisdom in some regards, but on the other hand shows equally incredibly immaturity and naivete in others. Her old design exuded this facet of duality, what with its dated -- almost regal --aesthetics that contrasted well with her otherwise youthful looks and personality. The new redesign simply just makes her look like a JK. She's thoroughly thinned out, both in body and in hair, and she now rocks an outfit which is a lot more contemporary with what you'd expect to see a youth wear. Though even then I would say there's a lot of weird, superfluous details like the necklace and boots that simply look out of place. Perhaps the necklace is supposed to be significant to the story, or something.

As far as Ciel is concerned, she's just more homogeneous now; her hair is more or less in line with the rest of the cast thanks to the new bangs, and it's a shame they couldn't "update" her design without losing her unique visual qualities. I remember back when her redesign was unveiled in 2012, a common remark amongst the Japanese was confusion as to whether or not it was even Ciel. Maybe she'll get her old look back when she goes Powered mode or something.

Akiha is just Homura now.

My biggest question about the redesigns, even after all these years, is simple: why? Why did these characters have to be redesigned in the first place?

>>23933671
>>23934013
>>23944841
The artist apes Takeuchi's style quite a bit, though he at least keeps Arc's old design as most fanartists do, so I give him respect for that.

>>23967177
>That Sion

>>23967250
Classic Sion and Eltnum are delicious designs, honestly.

>>23967129
Manga Arc specifically is pure sex.
Not to mention comfy, truly an all time great design.

>>23967335
Yeah, the quality of the manga can vary at times, but Sasaki did a great job with her. Especially her expressions.

>>23967367
>Especially her expressions.

>>23967390
so cute

Why are people so attached to Arc's old skirt? Do they think the short one makes her a slut or something?

>>23967457
I just listed a bunch of reasons in my post above, but honestly the issue for me wasn't primarily due to the miniskirt overall, even if the long skirt is more aesthetically appealing to me.

For me, the far more egregious changes were the ones made to her body, hair, and face. Especially the hair. It's downright criminal what Takeuchi did to it.

>>23967457
The way it works with the rest of her outfit.
Like her stockings or her sweater.
It is dignified, comfortable, but in the right context, it has an allure of mystery and lewdness that a short skirt cannot have, since it leaves little to the imagination.

>>23967498
Also looks cool in motion. A mini skirt does not look cool in motion. She's just gonna be flashing her pantsu to all her enemies when jumping through the air and doing her moves. Very uncool.

>>23966496
>>23966501
Not bad at all, for an example from EoD.

Jan Zizka
Class: Rider

Passive Skills
Magic Resistance C
Increases own debuff resistance by 15%

Riding B
Increases own Quick performance by 8%

Leader Skill
Great General's Military Tactics B
Charges active servant's NP gauge by 5 every turn for 5 turns.
Increases active servant's NP damage for 1 NP, 5 turns.
The original term "Shosei" directly translates to "General Star" or "Star General".

Active Skills
Protection of Faith C+++
Increases own debuff resistance for 3 turns.
Recovers own HP.
Increases own defense for 1 turn.
Increases own attack for 3 turns.

Invictus B
Grants self Guts status for 1 time, 3 turns.
Recovers own HP every turn for 3 turns.
The original term directly translates to "Always Winning & Undefeated"

Forerunner of the Ages B
Charges own NP gauge.
Increases own NP gauge generation rate for 3 turns.

Noble Phantasm
Super-Heavy Armored Mobile Fortress
Rank: A
Classification: Anti-Army
Type: Arts
Increases own defense for 3 turns.
Reduces own damage taken for 3 turns.
Deals damage to enemies.

It is barebones comparatively.

>>23967536
The NP's true name should obviously be Wagenburg.

>>23967517
Which goes well with her floofy hair, which is the biggest insult of her redesign.
In general I always prefer large, thick hair

>>23967576
Arc's hair is dumb looking though. Not even the old 90s style hair arches, just her hair in particular.

>>23967536
Thanks, although I don't think it being long/more developed isn't really a sign it's good. With levels of autism such as mine, I run a risk of extreme bloat, if anything. I was mostly concerned of that and maybe having my own biases reflected on the servant.

All in all, the idea for Sobieski is that he's all around a pretty unimpressive for the most part, with his only saving grace being his nuke NP and things related to it, like his commanding ability and high riding skills. This seems quite appropriate since his NP is quite legendary even outside his country, but beside that his reign wasn't all that significant. I hope the thing I wrote down works its intended role.

Rn I'm thinking of statting Mehmed the 2nd as kind of a coutnerpart. I'm undecided on his class yet - the first idea was Archer, although I'm floating the thought of a Saber wielding the Sword of Osman- but what I do know is that he has an EX Anti-Fortress NP that instakills any Roman servants in addition to being a pretty powerful volley of cannon fire.

>>23967695
If we're talking the original sprites, I agree. Her hair changed a lot over the first decade of TM, though, and I would say it looked best at around 2011.

>>23967695
I can't disagree, but a good artist can make the necessary tweaks without detracting far from the original hair.

>>23967902
Hey, as long as you follow the general full character sheets for a Servant, you can't go wrong in terms of bloat.

>>23967942
Well, looking back on how Takeuchi improved her from the original sprites >>23967923
I can say that the basic idea of her hair is fine.

What entity is Red Death?
Counter guardian?

High Grade Edge warning.

J. Robert Oppenheimer
Alignment: Neutral Balanced
Attribute: Human

A scientist of some renown. Usually, such a person would have no reason to be recorded within the throne of heroes, however this one was "dragged along" as basically a figurehead for the hated creation he's most associated with. Knowing this, the servant is filled with immesurable grief at the power that the thing he helped built holds within the collective human psyche.


Class: Caster

Parameters:
Strenght E-
Endurance E-
Agility E-
Mana E-
Luck E-
NP EX++

Class skills:
Territory Creation E
Item Construction E+

Personal skills:
Mankind's Death (fake) EX - Caster became a servant not by his own deeds, but by the association with the blazing hole created within the collective human consciousness by what he and his coworkers unleashed upon the world. To Caster's despair, the collective fear that humanity lived with for the following decades has manifested itself as this passive skill. As the face most associated with possible destruction, Caster became an entity that - in humanity's eyes - can be seen as similar to death itself. Due to this, Caster can emanate an aura that causes absolute terror of death within nearby humans.

Noble Phantasm:
Death, Destoyer of Worlds
Anti-Humanity, rank EX++
The very thing that the collective human psyche considers to be their destruction. The power that should never have been harnessed, this Noble Phantasm is pure, senseless slaughter to all within its great reach, friend and foe alike. Its sheer power can be seen as similar to a true magic, except it is completely devoted to erasing all traits of humanity within its reach. Caster's boundless contempt for his creation means he will probably never release it by his own voliton. While it can be activated remotely if prepared, Caster would probably prefer to be the first hit by it if he ever has to activate it.

Wish for the grail: To erase his own records from the Throne of Heroes. Caster hates being the face associated with humanity's doom and wishes to be forgotten.

>>23964323
Is there really that much variation? Pretty much everyone agrees the far side is better. I usually see Hisui or Kohaku picked as the favorite route for Tsukihime.

>>23968765
>Pretty much everyone agrees the far side is better
While I'm also partial to this preference, my expierience with what others prefer is quite contrary to this. There's a lot of people praising Arc and Ciel routes to high heaven over the far side ones.

>>23968812
How could anyone honestly like Ciel's route the best? Not that it doesn't have great moments (this chair), but like the first half of it is just Arc's route except you hang out with Ciel instead of Arc.

>>23968968
Don't ask me, I always shit on Ciel and her route whenever I have a chance. People protecting her is the reason I know that both her and her route have their fans.

What is she dreaming about?

>>23968968
The route’s great in general after it sheds its Arc skin.

>>23969979
Her non-existent route

best Ciel

>>23972828
This is the dorkiest Ciel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FHYrx34kzs
This dinosaur of a video came up in my recommendations

>>23967902
Mehmet being a saber is a stretch if you ask me. Having him in rider and archer is just more natural. Also his np feels like it should rip through buildings and magical territories since the function of those cannons were to destroy walls and other defensive structures. Giving him a very low rank of divinity might be a good idea too as ottoman rulers are thought to be given their position by god and took double duty as the religious leaders of muslims after a war against the arabs.

Since we're making servants now I'l take a crack at it too.

True Name: Daedalus
Class: Caster
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: C
Magic: C
Luck: D

Class Skills:
Territory Creation A+
Item Construction A+

Personal Skills:
Body Modification C
Although granted wings by Athena Caster's tale of crafting wings for him and his son Icarus has been influential for his genius giving him the ability to improve the human body with his inventions.

NP:
The Cretan Labyrinth
Anti-Unit Rank A
The most famous invention of caster designed to imprison the Minotaur. It is built so cunningly that Caster himself can barely escape it. Caster can build other labyrinths at a much lower cost to both imprison and protect his target but he also can summon the original Cretan Labyrinth with a ferocious beast dwelling inside it.
Daedala, The statues of Daedalus
Anti-Army Rank E
Daedalus was famed for his statues realistic enough to have wandered off if not fastened to the ground. Caster can use his craftsmanship to make familiars using materials.

Hey fellow TMfags, I'm currently reading mahoyo (chapter 8.5, still waiting for Touko) and would like your opinion on what to read after. I've read the tsukihime manga, should I jump straight to kagetsu tohya or read the VN as well? I don't have much time to spare, so is it more worthed waiting for HF III to come out (I've watched all route's adaptations) for me to read HA or should I read the fate VN? Also, which novel do you anons recommend more, Lord el Melloi (II) or Strange Fake?

>>23975415
Read Tsukihime, the manga is pretty much just arc's route so you'll be missing out on the other 4, read FSN, the anime is nowhere close to as good as the VN, especially when UBW is the only one thats one could consider accurate to the VN in some form. Also FSF > Case Files.

>>23975626
Thanks anon, kohaku seems interesting, Arc's best girl for me but my opinion is biased.

>>23975415
The Tsukihime manga is pretty good, but it only covers 1.5/5ish of the routes in the VN. I'd suggest reading the VN before you do Kagetsu Tohya. I'd say the Fate/stay night anime adaptations all range from 'ok' to 'pretty fun watch', but they're not really good substitutions for the VN.

>>23975415
>>23975626
>>23975671
Thoughts on the Tsukihime manga?

nasu and takeuchi praise it so much, they have to make the remake that much better to compete

source: http://tsukikan.com/misc/the-next-world-of-type-moon.html

Takeuchi: "The original doujin game is something that is very hard to come by nowadays, so we feel bad for not releasing a remake for those who have always wanted to try out this game. If one wants to know the content of the story, one can go read the manga Shingetsutan Tsukihime. The manga version is a pictorial representation of Nasu's work. The excellence of the Tsukihime manga has also become a great challenge that we need to surpass for the Tsukihime remake (laughs).

>>23967457
>>23967481
>>23967498
it was Takeuchi's idea to change Touko's design. Meanwhile, Nasu was the one to ask Takeuchi to give Arcueid a skirt, in order to fit the "big city" theme more. Incidentally, Misaki, the town Tsukihime takes place in, was changed from a small city to a major metropolitan area, and the scope is honestly far bigger than what the original Tsukihime or Melty Blood portrayed it to be. The change in Arcueid's design was apparently decided on in order to reflect that.

>Takeuchi: As everyone already knows, Tsukihime is the doujin game from when we first started. Since its release, the doujin group TYPE-MOON became a company, and works like Fate were released, so we've always been thinking when to commercialize Tsuhime. However, time constraints became more and more frequent, and we missed many opportunities to do a remake. The doujin group TYPE-MOON was formed in the summer of 1999, next year will be our 10th anniversary. This is a great time for a remake, or rather, if we miss this opportunity again, we won't get another chance. So we thought that we can't let this chance go no matter what.

>This remake will need to satisfy the needs of both players who played the original Tsukihime 10 years ago as well as those who just recently came into contact with it; this is a fine balance that is one of the biggest difficulties facing us. Not to say knowing where to begin is already something very scary. In the past we simply say to each other "so when are we going to remake Tsukihime?" Just presenting it in the same form as the original game would be an embarrassment to us. As a result, we're not facing a difficult battle (laughs). Production will officially begin after Witch on the Holy Night is finished, the reason we announced it so early is because announcing them together creates more impact, please understand (sweat).

Jeanne was based of real student french girl according to Takeuchi. The student was same college where Takeuchi study, before he met someone as model of Arcueid Brunestud’s design from Tsukhime come to his mind.

> Takeuchi: Maybe it's because I'm always working on galgame, but I'm somewhat opposed to changing a female lead's outfit. I feel a character's clothe is also part of his or her design, which is why Arcueid from ?Tsukihime? has been wearing the same outfit for the past 10 years (laughs).

> Ishii: This makes sense if you really think about it, (laughs) but I also can't really picture Arcueid wearing anything else.

From an excerpt of an interview in TYPE-MOON Ace 3, talks on Canaan.

>>23976269
Thanks for posting that quote. I had mentioned it before in passing a few times, that is that it was Nasu's idea to change Arcueid, not Takeuchi's, but had forgotten the source.

>>23976269
>This is a great time for a remake, or rather, if we miss this opportunity again, we won't get another chance. So we thought that we can't let this chance go no matter what.
opps

Maaya Sakamoto announced two new songs for FGO.

>>23964323
No because routes just mean which girl braindead otaku want to fuck. Dating Sims dressed up as Visual novels aren't good story, just junk that's worth a good fap.

>>23976544
>No because routes just mean which girl braindead otaku want to fuck. Dating Sims dressed up as Visual novels aren't good story, just junk that's worth a good fap.

Is that why KnK, Mahoyo and Tsuki no Sango are Nasu's best works?

>>23976585
Yes.

>>23976544
>I don't know the difference between visual novels and dating sims
Way to go fuckface.

>>23976585
>Tsuki no Sango
lmao

>>23976544
bro huh

things that are "close to true magic
>command seals
>caster teleporting
>alice's magecraft
>goetia incenerating the entirety of human history

>>23965059
anon, you've fixed her hair, which is, to me, the only flaw in the character design

I wonder if the sequel to Case-Files will go into more detail about the user of the first magic, part of me thinks that the whole "born the night before B.C. became A.D" is just a red herring to make us think that the user was Jesus, but at the same time I think the idea has potential, but I don't know if it could be juiced to its fullest...
Oh also, is there any more info about the first magic?, the only thing I know is that it is related to ether or something like that.

>>23976385
>>23976269
I think changing Arc's skirt changes her "innocent" but hundreds of years old aura, a bit "ara ara" like. She looks younger to me and that's weird. Don't get me wrong, I (kinda) fucking love every other change in her character design (perhaps the hair could be a bit more up like some 2010ish versions of it).

>>23967129
I almost agree with you, I wrote the things above without reading your post, you expressed it better than I did. I'm too tired to edit it, so I'll just make a few remarks about what you said. To me, the necklace improves her misterious aura, it's not something you'd expect to see in Japan, also, while Arc's looking more naive the necklace contrasts with it. The boots don't change much to me, but the miniskirt is a big mistake. She dresses as a model, not as someone who was chained in a castle for decades and is oblivious to current trends.

>>23978848
>born the night before B.C. became A.D
Strictly speaking, it only says AD前夜 which mean "on the eve of AD" or "the night before AD"

>Oh also, is there any more info about the first magic?
Denial of nothingness (per Bazett in HA), the First is also relevant to Ether Clumps which is "materialized nothing"
The user already died long ago and was the only one recognized as worthy of respect by the Barthomeloi
The user's heir is still alive, but barely
Flat Snark is split off from the First

>>23979121
Do you have more info on that last statement? Maybe the source?

>>23979169
That statement can be found on youtube ffs.

>>23979169
It's right in Mahoyo anon
>魔術世界において至宝と称され、
一つの王国より稀少と値付けられた至高の幻想（クラウン・ファンタズム）。
>『あれがーーーフラットスナーク……！！！！』
>第一（はじまり）より別たれた、この世でもっとも大きな虚構！

>Renowned as the most cherished treasure of the magic world, worth more than an entire kingdom, the supreme fantasy (Crown Phantasm).
>『That's the -- Flat Snark ... !!!!』
>Separated of the First (the Beginning), it is the greatest fiction in this world!
The first magic was addressed as the beginning in chap 12 later, so this implies that Flat Snark has something to do with the first magic. Also just like Aoko with the Fifth, the First magic user aquired it after touching the Root.
By the way, kinda related stuff
>Soujuurou: ....Okay. I got that I don't get anything at all, so let's get moving into the main problem. Ah. But, if only the number one person can become a magic user, why are there more than one?
>Aoko: There were five. But the final tasks that will remain in the end for mankind are five, is what the very first....
>Alice: Aoko.

>>23979621
oh, I'm currently reading it. I should've been more patient. Thanks for pointing it out

>>23973733
what about these maids?

>>23979783
it feels so wrong

>>23978454
Avalon and MEoDP may also fit into this category depending on what phrasing you're looking for.

Tsuihime Track 09.

>>23980860
Avalon is above True Magic, at least if the original description hasn't been retconned.
It is a 6D construct, that is complex multiversal tier.
True Magic at most could reach infinite multiversal, that being high 5th dimensional.
Akasha for reference is at least 11D, likely hyperversal and possibly even outerversal.

Any news about the Garden of Avalon translation?

>>23989729
Kek what the fuck kind of unadultered autism is this?

>>23989861
It's powerscaling autism.
Simplifying it so normies can understand would take too long.
Do some research on the matter, within TM stuff and the wider fictions to gain context.

>>23964824
>>23990425
What a coincidence.

>>23992917
I'm not the gook you dipshit.
Look, I could post all the relevant links, but that would only lead to a shitshow.
Leave it at this.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxcX7PLW_jUOxgoZHaWF8nuAThTDobEQmLw0Dx_HqIA/
TM characters magic circuits and magecraft info

I'll probably get hated for asking this here but wtf is the point of Emiya alter existence ? Archer is already putting the end before the means so what's the point ? Just so nasu could make money out of him ?

>>23993364
Why don't you go post that to r/unpopular opinions (r/grandorder's about the only place you'd get hate for that)? Takeuchi just wanted to draw EMIYA Alter, despite EMIYA already being basically Shirou Alter

>>23993364
Because Takeuchi read Hyoge Mono and decided that pottery is pretty cool.

>>23993364
Considering even /vg/ finds him a meme, why the hell did you think we would hate your opinion?

>>23993130
I would add an additional notice for hidden capabilities/abilities/stats.
Aoko is the obvious example, shitty circuits on paper, but in reality they are OP due to her other traits.

>>23993364
>With regards to Artoria Lily, Santa Alter, and Emiya Alter, it was Takeuchi’s fault. They were extraneous from a scenario perspective so it wasn’t a writer’s idea. Just Takeuchi going “I want a cute character” and “I want an Alter for Emiya”. For example, the writer’s side wouldn’t suggest an Emiya Alter since an Emiya fallen to evil couldn’t be said to be Emiya. But since Takeuchi wanted it, they rethought the matter and came up with a special case where it could be possible. And after rethinking and rewriting that concept, they came up with a character that was actually popular with the players and added more to the story by his presence.
blame Takeuchi

>>23993756
>And after rethinking and rewriting that concept, they came up with a character that was actually popular with the players and added more to the story by his presence.
Detroi Emiya is a non-character in shinjuku and in CCC he's just in the game to wank Kiara even more with that utterly retarded suicide backstory.
Never fails to amaze me how full they are of themselves

>>23968968
I have a kink for nuns, love church themed everything and I loved Ciel personality and background.
I also hate fashion blonde model based aesthetics.
The other routes were fine, but were more focused on shinto inspired things, and well, I prefer stories around christianity mythology or related.

What is worse, an almost 10 year old change on visuals of Tsukihime characters or neoFate fandom phenomenon caused by FGO and Apocrypha(Astolfo)?
I think I prefer having only the first, if I got to choose.
I LITTERALLY would prefer waiting 15 years of nothing burgers until remake release if it meant FGO not existing.
Even nasu's death and TM closure would be better scenario than FGO phenomenon.

Probably going to get shat on for this but I feel like knk is the weakest of nasu's works(full of chuuni and pseudo philosophy that amounts to nothing at the end), and you can really see the difference between it and his newer stuff like fate and tsukihime. Am i getting filtered?

>>23994245
>or neoFate fandom phenomenon caused by FGO
Definitely this have you seen /fgog/'s meltdown because of Erice calling out some of FGO's bullshit

>>23994629
Not the anon but I'm interested, can you link it?

>>23994498
Extra(shit) exists so even if you like KnK the least out of original Fate, Tsukihime and Mahoyo, you would still be wrong.

>>23993364
Emiya Alter is basically Shirou who went Mind of Steel. Archer didn't go that far.

What does reaching the root even mean? How are you actually supposed to do it?

>>23997788
> how are you actually supposed to?
Anon, that’s what 90% of the Association wishes to know.

>>23997788
It's power and shit.
Touch it the right amount and you get True Magic hax.
Touch it too much and you vanish from reality.

>>23994850
>>>/vg/293622973
It's like this thread, the one before it, and the one after it.

TL;DR is that the Requiem collab isn't actually written by Meteo, they got some guy meteo knows to ghost write it. Said guy then proceeds to tweet on twitter that he wrote it and delets said tweet within 24 hours.
Then in the actual event Erice says shit like:
1. Guda is full of himself and uses servants like toys
2. Chaldea is a shady organization funded by a fucking Magus
3. There's probably servant brainwashing involved since it makes literally 0 fucking sense that all these servants with different personalties and ideals love Guda who is a literal nobody with talents for nothing
4. "Does a world that only advance forward by borrowing the power of the dead really have a future?"
as you can imagine the playerbase, both on 4chan and in japan is split between calling her based for calling out the shit MC and writing and people deeply upset that she dared to insult the holy self insert.
It doesn't help that she's the welfare servant, which means that she will 100% lose her points of view and personality to become another walking onahole and join Chaldea

>>23999658
>2. Chaldea is a shady organization funded by a fucking Magus
I don't really see how that's arguable in any way, that's a straight fact.

>>23999805
remember the time in the CCC collab where it turns out they did mass human sacrifice but then everybody gets to have amnesia about that event so the rest of the story can happen?

>>23999658
He's most definitely based.

>>23999658
>is that the Requiem collab isn't actually written by Meteo, they got some guy meteo knows to ghost write it. Said guy then proceeds to tweet on twitter that he wrote it and delets said tweet within 24 hours.
That guy is actually the one that was supposed to co-write Girls' Work with Meteo, but he got scrapped after they decided to turn GW into an anime instead of visual novel

>>23999658
Funny how Erice accidentally does have some fair points in this argument eventhough to be fair, she barely knows anything about Chaldea and those opinions were mostly based on her personal feelings and experiences like Chitose with magus being bad or the way Erice idolizing servants + wanting to have one makes she dislike and think that the holy grail tournament horribly disrespect servants/heroes that marked their names in human history (she does think Chaldea is still better than this tho). Not to mention her wish to let the dead rest in peace and her salty feelings when Voyager goes with Chaldea.

>>24000057
It's only bad when the Holy Church does it.

>>23999658
How can gachafags ever recover

>>23999658
>when your game is so shit that it calls itself shit
the absolute state of fgo

>>23999658
>they got some guy meteo knows to ghost write it.
inb4 nasu trying to fix fgo

>>23994498
Well, it does have lots of chuuni and pseudo philo, but my only point against would be, are you using which parameters?
because yeah I also think nasu writing is shit when compared to the high philosophy of most russian and german writers as an example.
But when I say that nasu is great, I mean that comparing to, I don't know, your everyday shounen/shoujo.
Also, KnK is more of a religion philosophy imo, the biggest thing in KnK for me is how the buddhist view is approached and also the schools of universe consicousness from buddhism.
Which could be "fake philosophy" in a sense, but if you understand it is more of teology based, it is easier to enjoy imo.
Unless you hate religion and buddhism, then yes, it will be shit, as the action scenes and drama are not really the forte of KnK.

>>24001047
it's this guy
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%A8%E6%9D%91%E8%88%AA
https://vndb.org/s778

>>23999658
If that ends up being true I think I actually can start to like FGO and requiem.
Indeed FGO making guda the evil side and that everything in FGO was a Marble Phantasm created by Marisbury that guda uses to play VR waifu masturbation would be the proper ending to FGO.

>>24001178
Not that a profile like that would prove anything, I mean, that could be a pseudonym of Nasu for making works inside typemoon for people to not expect anything.
Writers do that all the time.

>>24001244
I mean, Nasu Kinoko is a pseudonym already. (I think only Nasu would be the real name, but kinoko is not).

>>24001178
>find pic related in there
Nice

>>24001258
>passing up the opportunity to name your kid "eggplant mushroom"
lame

>>24001244
That's the guy who did George. It's an old time Meteo collaborator.

>>24000427
>There's probably servant brainwashing involved since it makes literally 0 fucking sense that all these servants with different personalties and ideals love Guda who is a literal nob
Dude, I though requiem was shit for having a shota space probe, but if the main theme is that critic, then that novel might actually be a critic of FGO as a whole, if not Fate as a whole.
Dude, that actually made the novel interesting now to me, I mean, that is a punch in Nasu's face and all bullshit he let people do with his work (Raicow and summer servants and retcon inducing plot).
If Requiem ends up being the critic of the post 2013 Type Moon, I will forever respect Meteo for this act.

>>24001394
Voyager is a great servant concept though

>>24001522
The concept isn't bad, Erice making he be a shota is bad.

>>24001546
I like the little prince-voyager connection desu, it fits and it's a way to give character to a machine that shouldn't have one.

>>24001592
Well, if he ended up being Le Petit Prince, yes that would be fine.
But from a space probe to a shota... ahn
Well, if the novels ends up being good like it seems, then I guess I can tolerate it.

>>24001394
I'd wait until volume 2 is out desu, that huge fucking delay is really suspicious. and now Meteo doesn't even want to write his own collab for some reason

>>24001696
vol2 delay wasn't because they wanted to promote it with collab?

>>24001640
>if he ended up being Le Petit Prince
He is. He took that form because Erice likes the story.

>>24001749
Yes, I know she inspired the visual from Le Petit Prince to give a form to Voyager.
But I still would have preferred an authentic Prince servant rather then, well, a space probe cosplaying as it.

>>24001729
the delay was like 9 months ago which doesn't make it impossible but also unlikely. The event was supposed to do live during golden week before they had to delay that too, and you can't even actually buy volume 2 right now. It releases in like 2 weeks

>>24001909
Well, I would blame at least 1 month because of covid time stop, maybe 2, but yeah, wouldn't explain de other 7 months.
And the fact that not even Meteo wrote the collab would make the "oh she was developing the collab" as also unlikely.
Well, gotta wait and see.

>>23999658
>>24000427
>>24001394
Erice actually says that Chaldea's approach is better than a normal HGW because there the Heroic Spirits are saving the world as they are supposed to do. A HGW like the Fuyuki one is the ultimate insult for her. So yeah, she is being critic to the whole idea.

>a loli was enough to make /fgo/ seethe
nice

>>24002330
>14
>loli
?

>>24002459
>he doesn't know

>>23999658
HOLY BASED
gachafags coping hard rn

>>23999658
Holy shit

>>23999658
>4. "Does a world that only advance forward by borrowing the power of the dead really have a future?"
Admittedly, I've seen the FGO fags question this as well. Especially when Babylonia was airing and got more people exposed to it.
>wrote it and delete said tweet
I presume there's going to be some kind of apology tour at some point and/or the person's career might be dead at this point. I mean sure, those are truth bombs, but it sure don't make for good PR.

>>24004619
the fact that he deleted the tweet is very weird, when he deleted it there was still a timelock on all the controversial shit. It's almost like he somehow didn't understand he was supposed to be ghost writer and not say he wrote it, so people assume meteo did since all the other collabs are by their main writers. But how do you hire somebody to ghostwrite without him understanding that?

>>24000674
>>24004382
>>24000798
I mean, they already have that Riyo manga where the main jokes were GACHA BAD GACHA PLAYERS CRAZY and the gachafags lap it up without a single shred of irony.

>>24002132
Yeah, for Erice the HGW is just "mages competing for the magest mage seat"

>>24001394
I think this commentary by Silver Moon (a well-known TM fan in Japan) when Requiem vol 1 just got released pretty much sums it up

Wouldn't this guy start raising the question that FGO collabs are majorly ghost writings?
I mean, I'm not saying I believe strongly thats the case, but we're talking about a gacha and it is very easy to just put the name in the credits and call it a day.
At least it makes you think.

>>24007002
I'm totally going to read this.

>>24007101
I always find it strange how they never announce who's writing the chapters when they announce it
they only do it when it's butcher or Nasu

>>24007197
Well, those two are the big names that actually do grab attention.

>>24007002
>Apart from the interest towards the tale itself called Requiem, if it is said that one is not excited for this newly born "Fate" when they receive the tale called Requiem, then that is a lie. The value of a tale that approaches the end is constant (only the image of the reader that understands that changes), but the possibility of the next work that receives that is not necessary.
What...??? Can anyone translate this to actual English, or is the original actually just 8 paragraphs that say nothing except that Fate evolved to have servants outside of grail wars, and something about Erice representing the new Fate and Karin the old Fate?

>>24007101
Not really because the writers talked a lot about collab story on interviews, diary and tweets,... We know for sure that CCC and KnK were written by Nasu, Zero by Urobuchi, Case Files by Sanda, Prisma Illya by Minase instead of Hiroyama, Requiem by Myougaya Jinroku with the original story and overall plot by Meteo.
And obviously, supervised by Nasu.

>>24007277
Well, they deciding the important points and how the setting is obviously from the aforementioned writers.
What I imply is that probably the hard work of writing all the text/materializing the ideas might be ghost written.

>>24001244
That guy was from Liarsoft though. He was working on Girls' Work together with Meteo but got removed later (the writer became just Meteo) when they decided to make it an anime

>>23999658

I wanna fuck her

https://twitter.com/fate15th/status/1266202604343885831
Fate15th exhibition is going to re-open on June 5, after being temporarily closed due to covid-19. The exhibition will be extended to July 12.

>>23999658
>4. "Does a world that only advance forward by borrowing the power of the dead really have a future?"
I do not understand what this particular statement means

>>24007905
in FGO world, Chaldea are trying to take back the future & protect Human Order by borrowing the power of servants aka ghosts from the past. Erice points out that FGO world has no future without overrelying on ghosts from the past.
Then (You) responses that servants are not "from the past" because they're going to the future together. That's the part Erice is strongly against because her wish is to allow the dead to rest in peace.

>>24007905
It means exactly what it means. Yes, you do have future servants or heroic spirits like the space probe, but at the end of the day, you are solving the threats by relying on the powers of people from the past. You are not progressing using methods or powers from your own present, so to speak. To use another example, it's like how in Babylonia, they made it a big thing about breaking away from the gods so as to take a step into the age of man, and yet they can only do so because you have gods as your allies as well (Quetz, Ishtar, Eresh). Then you have things like lostbelts where worlds that either progress too far or stagnant will run the risk of getting pruned. So at what point can your world be considered 'just right' and safe from not getting pruned if threats are dealt with by relying powers from the past?

>>23989729
Nothing is more powerful than True Magic though

>>24009201
It depends on the scale you're looking at.
The Root and what lies beyond it exceeds True Magic, after all it is derived from it.
Go lower down the scale and you have stuff like Avalon, which is immune to any 5D or lower attack.
I sincerely doubt True Magic can scale past infinite multiverses with current knowledge.
But hey, Nasu is full of surprises.

>>23989729
>>24009201
>Effects on the Level of True Magic
>Although generally speaking “there are five True Magics”, this number does not reflect “effects that rival True Magics”. There are several examples in the story. Many Mystic Codes and creatures that exist in the world are also “shaped through True Magic”. Finally, there are those without definite shapes, but only exist “in motion”.
>A representative example of this last category is Assassin Kojiro Sasaki’s secret sword technique “Tsubame Gaeshi”. It is an ultimate technique which consists of the blade absolutely, simultaneously tracing separate paths and severing the target. In thaumaturgy, this is called “Multidimensional Refraction Phenomenon – Kischua Zelretch”, in other words, a limited application of the Second Magic “Operation of Parallel Worlds”.
>In addition, reality marbles, the sorcery that overwrites reality with the caster’s internal landscape, is also thought to be a skill that approaches the miracle of True Magic. Although temporary, there are not too many magi who are able to execute this World-altering grand sorcery.

>•Avalon: The Everdistant Utopia
>The matching “scabbard” of the holy sword Excalibur. The wielder does not age, and injuries will also quickly heal.
After invoking its true name, Avalon dissipates as tiny particles into the air, and shields the wielder from all interference. No damage can be done to the wielder when a state of absolute defence is initiated. Even interference from the parallel world based on the Second Magic will be blocked. An “absolute defence” that can even repel the assault of True Magic, it is a True Magic in itself. No one can harm the tranquil King that stands in the land of Avalon.
The rest of this list are Caster's magic at Ryuudou temple, phantasmal species, servants's spatial transportation and Zelretch's treasure chest btw

>>24009479
All of them mentioned except for Avalon are inferior to the 5 modern Magics.
Same level, sure, but a fragment of that level against a whole.

the Requiem collab writer guy reposted it, he just deleted the old one simply because it's a bit early to announce
https://twitter.com/J_Myougaya/status/1266303051159109639?s=19

>>24007002
Gotta give it a read now.

>>24012066
seems like bullshit, that makes literally no sense.

>>24007334
If it's ghost writer they wouldn't mention it on their twitter, and it's not like Myougaya is a literal who guy (Meteo's long time partner since his Liarsoft days, co-writer of Girls' Work, wrote setting creation of Atalanta & Benkei). Other interviews/twitter/blog mentions a lot of details that happened during the writing process and the writers' own experiences so i don't think so. They even let event writers wrote their own memo last year.

>>24012066
Just notice that his twitter bio listed FGO as one of his works, was it just added recently or not?

I have been trying to find Chibichuki, but there are only stray links to Facebook or similar, is there a collection somewhere?