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mods are retarded as fuck

I have no statistics, but I wouldn't be surprised. Many Japanese artists moved their casual/rakugaki work to Twitter over the years, and many artists just post Twitter images collections every so often, if even that.

There's also increasingly the patreon/paid art space online. I know pixiv has Fanbox, but I'm not sure how well that competes with competitors like Patreon and Fantia.

>>23810167
This, a lot of artists have begun to migrate to Twitter in earnest. Pixiv fucked up where it made anything that's not fully clothed girls doing fully clothed things R18. Even something like this would be considered R18 by Pixiv standards these days.

mods are retarded trannis as fuck

>>23810540
>begun
lol wut, artists have been migrating on twitter for years.

twitter is garbage for art though
with pixiv can easily grab good quality art to save
especially since artists love to delete

>>23810144
Pixiv thread.

>>23810479
It's disappointing, Pixiv was the last bastion of "sites that don't senselessy rape anything that's uploaded to them with compression", meanwhile Twitter is the ur-example. I wish Japan would be more appreciative of picture quality. The eventual spread of smartphones there has killed everything just as it has for the rest of us.

>>23811066
>Pixiv thread.
>R.jpg
>MS.jpg
the fuck are you doing

>>23810889
Yeah, but it seems even faster now than it was before. It's reaching critical mass over on Twitter, the days of an Jap artist only having a Pixiv seem to be over.

>>23810479
The paid art space is probably a huge part of the problem. From my experience, most artists usually repost their twitter images to pixiv (if they remember).

Pixiv will soon be nothing more than westerners uploading their gross fetish images with no effort put into them.

>>23811788
>the days of an Jap artist only having a Pixiv seem to be over.
When was that? I remember them having both personal sites and pixivs, then pixivs, nijies, seigas, etc. Now it's twitters, pawoo, fantias, patreons, etc.

>>23811809
It's absolutely a problem, depending on how you define problem.

>>23811934
>Pixiv will soon be nothing more than westerners uploading their gross fetish images with no effort put into them.
Half of those posts are just ads for their own shitty patreons.

>>23810144
nobody uses pixiv anymore unless they like to archive shit. seriously, the obsession of twitter pisses me off since these artists are using a site that doesnt keep images nicely, you cant find them instantly, and you need to go through endless photos of them eating micky D's or some food. Its retarded

just use pixiv dumb japs

>>23811433
Gomen gomen.
I’ll compress it hard next time.

>>23812029
>>23811391
>>23811788
>>23811809
you have to subcribe and pay their patreon if you want to see continuity, they're uploading their shit on twitter on purpose.

>>23812161
no shit but its still dumb. i get that they need money but at least archive your shit somewhere else other than being on a site that compresses images like shit

>>23812161
>patreon
The Japanese artists all use Pixiv fanbox, though

>>23812193
Many, not all. In my anecdotal experience on artists I follow:
- Pixiv Fanbox mainly gets the doujin scene/amateur illustrators who would've already had a Pixiv.
- Fantia gets the Japanese crowd for other artistic endeavors that falls outside of the above demographic. Doujin game makers and MMD modelers/animators are two crowds where I see this.
- I've only seen a few Japanese artists that I follow use Patreon, so I really can't speak to where the preference is there. Maybe better international payment processing or just a preferred payment method?
- I see other sites mentioned from time-to-time that don't seem to have similar traction


Feel free to correct me if you've seen different.

What I hate is that some of the artists poison their feed with gacha caps. So not only do you have to go through numerous non-art images, you also get your feed poisoned if you follow them directly. It's even worse when they retweet even more inane stuff. Twitter at least has lists. I now categorize by how awful their timeline is to follow.

>>23812448
Part of the reason why Twitter gained so much traction, really.
They can draw in followers based on their art, but also use it as a platform for expressing themselves in other areas, which couldn't be easily expressed or have guaranteed views on other platforms.

>>23812161
>you have to subcribe and pay their patreon if you want to see continuity, they're uploading their shit on twitter on purpose
Japs are known for nuking their Pixiv and Twitter accounts for no reason. They have no regard for their own art or any sense of preservation. I don't trust them to keep their shit available forever even if I pay them, so why bother? One day the'll just nuke their patreon out of nowhere too.

I hate twitter and digging trough 99 photos of food and beer just to get one unfinished rakugaki.

>>23813043
Twitter's search engine is absolute garbage too. You can search for exact phrases from a post without it showing up.

I wouldn't blame them, pixiv is awful to use

>>23813138
>pixiv is awful to use
The comparison is to Twitter.

>>23812161
Patreon is trying to ban Japanese style art cause it all looks like loli

>>23813194
Wasn't the point of patreon to be freer kickstarter? Or did people just use it that way?

>>23813138
the pixiv phone app is pretty good though

>>23813476
It's in the name - it is supposed to be a service for streamlining patronage to creators.
Basically they make/do X and they get a payment for doing it, or they get a flate rate per month (dependent on the class/amount the patron elects to give).

The trouble with loli is that it gives the appearance that Patreon is enabling lolicons, which is unambiguously illegal in many countries and highly controversial in others. So they feel obligated to give the appearance of not supporting it if a controversy appears.
In practice, if no one cares and no one reports it, it isn't investigated.

>>23815187
who cares about lolis? as long as you arent dicking them on patreon, why bother?

>>23812780
>Japs are known for nuking their Pixiv and Twitter accounts for no reason.
That's artists in general, not just nips. You just don't notice it because nobody here cares about lil' Timmys drawings on Deviantart, but still. It's not exactly a new phenomenon. That being said, fuck Twitter and fuck how it's where everyones moving.

>>23815325
>who cares about lolis?
I mean there are plenty of people who care about lolis on /jp/ in at least one sense.

But the answer really just boils down to the situation that things which are believed to be associated with pedophilia are deemed too taboo by enough people in positions of power in many Western societies to even be represented if called out.
I realize this is a very unsatisfying answer, but them's the brakes.

>why bother
Patreon generally doesn't unless someone makes a fuss over it, much like with Twitter.
There are people who find purpose in finding loli content and making a fuss out of it, so it is a constant force in the background.

>>23815425
i just dont give a fuck if you use patreon. just dont be a shill begging for someone to give you shit just because you do porn requests or some shit

>>23813108
Twitter, the company, doesn't benefit from people trying to get around the social/networking elements of their site, since that lowers engagement.
So it is unfortunately predictable that the easiest means for getting around that BS are gimped. This is also why the Twitter API hasn't been extended in ages, and why third party applications can no longer use Twitter fully anymore.

>>23813138
As an outsider, kinda. But the tagging system is robust, the people looking at pictures can add on their own tags (or they uesd to be able to) so if the artist was retarded the community could fix that, and it's one of the few nip websites that don't lag completely randomly. As an outsider the forced censoring and stuff is dumb and premium is also pretty dumb, and as a non-artist there's plenty of problems but it's pretty much as good as you're going to get feature-wise from any japanese web designer. And like other anons have said; the comparisons to twitter. God, fuck twitter. Literally the only good thing about it is that if you have the direct URL to an image, you can save it as a large or medium resized file even if the image has been deleted, and even that's only a very very specific thing.

>>23815451
>just dont be a shill begging for someone to give you shit just because you do porn requests or some shit
While shilling, that doesn't really come off as begging for me, since they are offering "porn requests or some shit" in exchange.

I don't think them not giving you their work for free is any injustice. If you don't care for them using Patreon to milk money for the work they produce (and they're not advertising here, which is reportable), you can just choose not to consume their content on principle.

>>23815490
then again, have you seen the current state of patreon?

>>23815581
Nothing I've noticed. I support one educational video maker per video and that's it.
If that person stops using it, I'll probably notice. If Patreon charges me considerably more for each transaction, I'll probably notice. If neither of these things happen, I probably will just look at the monthly bill and think nothing more of it.

>>23815187
>>23815325
>>23815425
Serious question, why has pornhub become so pro-loli lately? All they do is just block it in USA, but all kinds of shit gets uploaded there. I've seen the net become more and less accepting of loli at times, but they seem to be in full on acceptance of it right now. You'd think something so normalfag would be heavily against it.

>>23815640
pornhub is the wild west last i checked. i dont use it but the absurd amount of shit there that isnt porn is outstanding.

>>23815640
$$$ and also not wanting to aggravate people in countries where it could possibly have monetary/legal consequences.

They're an explicit porn company, their public image isn't exactly great in the countries where they would block it anyway.

>>23810479
Fanbox is the best version, especially seeing as there's a third party program that allows you to grab literally anything the creator has ever posted (pixiv util)

>>23815640
Last I heard entire podcasts, animes, and even shows were getting uploaded onto Pornhub. I have absolutely no idea how the fuck their management works but I kinda respect them letting literally everything onto their site as a result.

>>23813043
Very rarely an artist will tag every image appropriately and you can use twitter's search feature to get them.

But, this is seriously rare. As in I've seen ONE artist do that.

>>23815187
The lolicons I've used through pixiv basically went rather safe
1) the patreon doesn't actually explain anything
2) their blog (off site) does
3) when you pledge, you get a link in email to a private google folder that is destroyed at the end of the month

Artists don't give a shit about you mining their timeline for art after the fact. Twitter gives them what they want, which is:

1. you draw the image
2. you get likes and reactions to the image
3. you move onto the next image

The reason that their feed is full of food and gacha is because they wanted their followers to see the food and gacha. It's designed to maximize engagement with them, not maximize accessibility of the art towards you. C'est la vie.

>>23815864
Ding ding ding

>>23815864
not shit, but i dislike that

Making bookmark counts invisible was a mistake

Pixiv needs to stop changing its shit all around every other weekend. No wonder no one wants to use it anymore.

>>23817517
new front page has nothing..
I can not immediately see my information, and can not seem to customize it, I am blind?

>>23816553
https://greasyfork.org/en/users/7945-sha
Only works on search pages for me, but better than nothing.
Should probably look into it, actually.

>>23815864
An artist forcing me to look at their food and gacha as a weird sort of tax for getting to see their art is one of the most fucked up things humanity has ever produced.

>>23820309
Some artists are nice enough to have dedicated art accounts, but that's more work for less exposure to their normalfagging posts.

>>23820309
More a symptom of systemic social trends that starve people of traditional means of social reciprocation than the cause of it.

That's not to say Twitter isn't cancerous and that they don't enable it, but much of that cancer comes from how people use it in practice. If they made it too easy for people to avoid the appearance of interacting with artists, the artists would just jump ship to the Newest Shiniest Platform even faster.

If artists really want to make their art accessible, they'll just throw it on a booru and tag it themselves (some do, even Japanese artists).

>>23820684
>throw it on a booru and tag it themselves (some do, even Japanese artists).
isn't this like, taboo?
Some told me (as well as danbooru's rules) that uploading your own work is frown upon

>>23820911
On danbooru, yes, but they're exceptional sticklers (for justifiable reasons).
On other boorus, people don't seem to really care unless you spam or upset their quality standards, or it is promoted (that one furry booru with the hard-to-remember name being one example, IIRC).
Also you can also elect to simply not reveal yourself, though it is suspect if you only upload your own work.

It falls basically into the same category as uploading your own work on exhentai or such. Most end users don't care as long as it isn't repulsive to them, because they go there for content and can't give five fucks about #Drama.

>>23820984
Oh, and the Japanese generally don't care for these sites for obvious reasons, so you'll probably get opprobrium for doing it as a Japanese artists. But that's mainly just words.

>>23817517
The worst part is the daily top 300 being hidden away in a collapsible side bar. Took me a while to find it.

>>23820996
>so you'll probably get opprobrium for doing it as a Japanese artists
do they (site users) go like "aha, you're not a nip artist, busted!" or what?

>>23821574
If Japanese, possible criticism (indirect or otherwise) from other Japanese artists for using a site which supports unauthorized reproduction of works.

If not Japanese, maybe that, but Western artists that draw in a Japanese style are generally OK on Danbooru, so it would probably just be perceived as trying to advertise your own work rather than it being recommended in a more organic fashion.

How long until nip artists jump ship to Onlyfans?

Loli artists are dead. It's over

>>23815187
>which is unambiguously illegal in many countries and highly controversial in others.
What countries, idiot? Canada is not a country.

>>23820984
if you upload things on a booru it's harder to DELETO FUCKINGU EVERYTHINGU every two months

>>23824768
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors
And I was implying NSFW lolicon in the previous post.

Are you likely to be prosecuted in countries where it is illegal? Not unless you import something physical or monetary transactions around it, the latter of which affects Patreon.
And even though it is effectively legal to digitally distribute in the USA (FAKKU does so), Patreon and other companies have PR to maintain, and need to stay on the good side of payment processors like Paypal and/or Stripe to be able to easily process payments, which is pretty damn critical to their business.

Not arguing that it is right, just that it is that way and the push in Western societies has been towards restricting it further over time.

>>23824912
And by "Western societies" we mostly mean Americans, who spontaneously combust if they see a 17 year old girl's nipple.

>>23825051
>B-but anon, s-she's a child you pedo!
Where the fuck did all of these puritans come from? Comment sections for shit on sadpanda, mangadex or even danbooru have become even worse since mid-decade.

>>23826072
They're normalfags. danbooru has been namedropped by big names in the past 2 years.
I personally think it's stupid. No rule is universal and it's all a moral dickmeasuring contest. It's like arguing with stupid people; no matter what you say, they chalk it up to their own narrative. If anything, it highlights an issue in society now. People are unwilling to listen to others or external reasoning without one's reputation being ruined in the process. Take the Nazi experiments for example. People try to be moral and say that scientific discussions would have been found eventually, but regardless of the reason behind it, a scientific discovery is a scientific discovery. It happened. Whether or not the intention was good leading up to it is irrelevant. You stumble upon things on accident sometimes. There are an overwhelming amount of discoveries found on accident rather than on purpose. Complete wildcards that revolutionized the world as we see it.
If you don't believe their narrative, it's your fault; you are morally inferior. If you disagree with them, you're wrong and everything you say is wrong.

Keep in mind I have not made any of those arguments myself but it is like a broken record and you see it all the time. It's fucking annoying how braindead people have become.

The purpose of discussion is not a moral battle. It is a debate- A share of ideas to get a point across. No argument is inherently or universally correct.

>>23826161
>People try to be moral and say that scientific discussions
scientific discoveries*

>>23815864
This is why I donate to Chanta despite no exclusive content. Guy systematically uploads EVERYTHING.

My own experience with the few art I stumble across that I like on twitter for example. Multiple times, art isn't even reposted to Pixiv or the Pixiv account has been abandonned for a while. Other times, artist has a Pixiv but the link is broken (oh, that's too bad my dear) or isn't mentionned, or has a totally different name. Other times, artist has a Pixiv, which is regularly maintained but low-quality images are posted (sometimes it's directly downloaded off Twitter) or low-quality images desguized in higher-quality JPEGs (a 2MB JPEG full of moquito noise and all sorts of artefacts). And finally the rest, Pixiv is well advertised, regularly maintained, and images are somtimes both in great quality and high-resolution. Despite the trends and my overall impressions, this last case happens more often than I think, as a last ray of hope. I'm pleased when that happens and tempted to be grateful towards the artist for doing that.

Otherwise, artists will generally find any excuse or method to use as a theft-prevention mesure to justify their incredibly over-pretective habits. And of course not, making art accessible to their viewers isn't their priority for most. It's even more like the total opposite (as has been said multiple times here). I've heared that in Japan, having your fanart stolen and sold withtout permission can put you in legal trouble. That would explain why unaothorized reprinting is so frowned upon and why Japanese take that very seriously.

>>23832130
>having your fanart stolen and sold withtout permission can put you in legal trouble
shouldn't it be the problem of the thief? what kind of backward law is this?

>>23833173
Probably something like if they make a fanart of some character from a big company, the art gets sold, the company gets mad and try to find out who the artist is and goes after them.

>>23810144
I'm honestly frustrated that many artists dropped pixiv for twitter.
As an art website pixiv might not be the best thing ever but it's still one of the few viable things out there and it does the job just fine. Twitter, on the other hand:
>have to scroll through dozens if not hundreds of retweets, food photos and gacha screencaps to find an artist's art
>no way to view an art gallery, because everything is just bundled together in "media"
>infinite scrolling fucking everything up
>no reliable way to search art because many artists just don't tag it

As an artist I can understand using twitter as an additional source of views and promoting your art. But I can't use twitter for showcasing my art.
I mean how do people even search art there? Hashtag titlename is more likely to yield tons of anime/game screencaps.

>>23837640
>I mean how do people even search art there?
Following people and scrolling manually.
Welcome to 2020.

>>23810540
>Pixiv fucked up where it made anything that's not fully clothed girls doing fully clothed things R18. Even something like this would be considered R18 by Pixiv standards these days.
The hell are you talking about, swimsuit/pantyshot etc still ain't R-18

I assume people jump ship for twitter over pixiv in part because twitter has a much larger userbase and your twitter posts easily get 5~10 times as many likes as on pixiv. Seeing lower numbers for your likes on pixiv doesn't feel good so they don't even bother. I know it's more likes than never posting on pixiv, and you know it too, but that doesn't change how it feels.

>>23837840
>and your twitter posts easily get 5~10 times as many likes as on pixiv
This is only true for established artists.
A new or an unpopular artist will still get more views on pixiv, unless some popular artist retweets his work.

>>23837840
>The hell are you talking about, swimsuit/pantyshot etc still ain't R-18
A lot of them are in my experience.
>Seeing lower numbers for your likes on pixiv doesn't feel good so they don't even bother
That's also a really good explanation. I didn't even take that into account, but getting many times the likes on your Twitter rather than your Pixiv must be a much better way for the artists to stroke their e-peens.

>>23837933
>A lot of them are in my experience.
Can you show me some examples? Sounds like a rare exception to me.
I'm sitting at some borderline R-18 art here and it's still not tagged as one.

When you upload an artwork there's a checkbox for "suggestive content". I assume it's used as a way to filter family friendly content but I don't see any option to toggle it in settings as a user, only R-18 and R-18G.

>>23838160
>Can you show me some examples?
My perception is probably a bit warped because I'm a chubby chaser, but damn near every chubby girl in a bikini (or showing any more skin than being fully clothed for that matter) is tagged R18. I know this is a 4chan filename, but the gallery for this one is marked R18 and from the Twitter records, this guy did no art around that time which should be outright labelled R18.

There was a time about a year and a half where none of that was tagged, but either Pixiv changed their rules about what constituted R18 or fat artists got really prudish all of a sudden.

>>23810144
its definitely shrinking, more artists are locking shit behind a paywall.

I'm amazed how many really shitty artist are behind a paywall, like holy shit dude, how delude are you.

>>23838343
>the gallery for this one is marked R18
But it's not?

https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/63197386

>>23838343
I think it just depends on the artist.
I tried searching ビキニ tag and I don't see many safe for work images with R-18 tag. It's either a really tight bikini, erect nipples or artists being extra safe.

I've been using pixiv for years and there was only one time they made restrictions more harsh. It was a very long time ago. They forced every artist to use censorship for their R-18 art. Apparently it was unanimous thing among japanese users, so they didn't really enforce it, but when western artists started to flood the place it became a thing. If you don't put mosaics over genitals you'll get one attempt at reuploading the fixed artwork. If you choose to not follow the rule, your art gets set to "private". I don't know how some madlads like Abubu get away with barely any censorship though.

The original was too big for 4chan so don't quote me on >master

>>23838568
Oh shit, I'm an idiot. I was conflating R18 and whatever the fuck "sensitive content" is.

I still think that latter tag is unnecessary though, Pixiv is a place where people go for a wank and I think the Pixiv execs know that. You don't have to be wanking to full on crazy triple penetration shit to get your rocks off, stuff like what I posted works too (imagine she's skinny though if you're normal).

>>23838710
>not being registered on pixiv

>>23838741
Nah, whatever I could get through Pixiv before this shitshow I can get through Twitter now. I don't need an account on some Jap website for this art.

>>23810144
blame twitter

>>23810144
I've noticed more artists censoring their art for money lately.

The moment they do that shit I just drop them.

I like Pixiv a lot t b h. I really like the way likes are used as opposed to bookmarks, where, if you like a pic enough, you can like a pic once a day to help get the pic ranked up. I wish they had that kind of thing available on more websites because just adding a like or retweeting once is a very time sensitive thing.
I've been giving a like to this cute, underrated Reimu pic almost every day for like three months because I like it so much. Kinda autistic of me, yeah, but it only takes a few seconds and I'm sure the artist gets something out of it.

>>23838710
What you want is Nijie.
>(imagine she's skinny though if you're normal).
She's also an old lady, so it's still not normal.

>>23810144
Anon the majority of Japanese artists post their stuff on Twitter. It's been like this since 2018 this is really nothing new. Twitter is shitty since hastags are godawful and no one uses them but what can you do. Nothing, really.

>>23840594
Yeah Nijie is great, it doesn't censor anything. Shame more artists don't use it.
>She's also an old lady, so it's still not normal.
Guys into MILFs are a hell of a lot more common than chubbby chasers though, especially because MILFs are more of a side kink, not a sine qua non.

>>23841624
She calls herself an obasan, so she's a ``mature'', not a milf.

Nijie is even better because of all the little things you can add to images, like sound effects and text bubbles and stuff. It's like Ero blingee. I wish it was standard on image sites, but it's something nearly unique like Nico's scrolling comments.

>>23841624
>Shame more artists don't use it.
If they did, normalfaggots would find out about it and get it shut down somehow.

>>23841808
How the fuck would they shut down an artwork website operating in Japan catering to Japanese artists?

>>23842750
There was some minor shitstorm about Pawoo among the Mastadon network back when it was first starting up due to the amount of lolicon artists.

Last I read, Patreon wasn't simply banning loli but rather all "Japanese" style art because it can make girls appear young. So basically they replaced a somewhat subjective standard with an even more abstract and subjective one. As far as Pixiv goes, if I recall correctly, is that they engaged in some scummy behavior which triggered the exodus of many artists. They've also succumb to the constant UI update cancer, though I wouldn't say all the changes have been negative.

>>23845287
>So basically they replaced a somewhat subjective standard with an even more abstract and subjective one.
Sounds more like they replaced a subjective standard with a more concrete one. "No filthy Jap art" is pretty clear.

>>23847395
"Japanese-style" is pretty vague.

>>23815640
>Serious question, why has pornhub become so pro-loli lately?
I don't know, but I hate it. This shit should be uploaded to proper sites, not to some crappy porn site where it gets watermarked or worse, resized.

>>23815662
>>23815711
Isn't Pornhub really lacking in amateur stuff? As in, you can't find that shit at all? It's all professional porn.

>>23815864
Doesn't Twitter have a limit to how further back you can search? Meaning that, if the artist has more than X number of tweets, it's literally impossible to see the earlier ones by scrolling. You have to actually know some words it contained and search for it.

>>23847586
They have their own monetized amateurs section so, no not really, unless you call that professional. If you mean like shit saved off a phone camera at some party or taken from like XBOX video cameras or something, shit like that is there too. 2hu cosplayers and kigurumi too. Also really weird "that part of youtube" level shit. Although, unlike youtube, fortunately you probably won't stumble across any c**** that isn't MMD or ero anime.

But you get shit like this
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5ab840df41c02
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5ea30fae80372
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5d3cca29e66df

>>23845287
Banning loli is bad enough. If puritan faggots were ok with it, they deserve to have everything else banned too.

>>23847977
I remember when Kingdom Hearts 3 got leaked and everyone uploaded it to Pornhub because Disney didn't want to associate with a porn site, not even to demand for it to be taken down. Lmao.

>>23847578
This is only a problem when retards download the resize off sites like that and upload it somewhere else as legit. Happens all the time with music too. At some point, the original gets lost because every torrent upload you can find is just a Youtube rip of the music, rather than the original CD rip.

Pixiv is better for watchers but Twitter is better for artists.

>>23847994
>they deserve to have everything else banned too.

This is why I stopped caring about other people when they started whining about stuff they like being censored.

>"B-B-But they might go after stuff you like next!"

You already did.

>>23848241
Who are you quoting?

>>23842986
Not really a comparable situation, though. Mastodon is federated, so federates choosing not to forward Pawoo's contents or ceasing operations altogether will have more to do with the operator's personal values or unwillingness to store potentially illegal (depending on location) imagery than external pressure.
Nijie is a company whose income is mostly generated not from the site's users, but from ads from smut peddlers, so targetting their source of income is unlikely to work. The other option would be targeting their shareholders, but given the nature of the site, those shareholders probably know what they bought into and some activist shareholder showing up seems like a pretty unlikely scenario.

>>23848048
Twitter is more convenient for artists, but I'm not sure it's better for them in the long run. Sites like Pixiv have much more potential for discovery; a lot of artist I follow I found through tags or being listed in the rankings or recommendations and that has from time to time resulted in me buying their manga or doujin works. With Twitter, pretty much the only route to discovery other than by chance is retweets from people you're already following.

>>23850793
Do you think a non-japanese person could use Pixiv effectively? I'm not even sure how a person could get noticed there starting from scratch since there aren't really groups or forums. Unless I guess you link from Twitter or Facebook and pray the people who see your posts have a Pixiv account too.
Obviously it would be best to start by drawing nothing but 2hu fanart and Kancolle

I happen to like masturbating to teenaged and preteenaged girls. Nudity and sexually explicit content of lolitas are inherently erotic for the majority of men. I fully support and endorse those who want post quality content of sexy little girls.

>>23851070
Yes, a non-japanese person could use pixiv and some have.

You get noticed there starting from scratch just by tagging your pictures so they turn up in searches, if you don't understand Japanese it's still not hard to crib tags from similar posts. Plenty of non-japanese artists are on pixiv already.

If your pics are good people will bookmark them and maybe follow you. If your pics are really good you end up in the daily rankings.

>>23851070
You have a strange view on these things.
As long as you draw decently and fill out tags you're gradually going to get views and followers on pixiv. Moreso if you draw porn. Of course fanart will always yield more but you can still get plenty of views on original content.
Pixiv will always show the newest results for your search(unless you have a premium account) so it's pretty good for new artists, unlike many other websites which always prioritize most viewed, best and featured artwork. Pixiv just has separate rankings and spotlights for this stuff.

>>23851070
>Do you think a non-japanese person could use Pixiv effectively?
Seen several western artists that do. But many make simple mistakes that basically makes sure no one will ever see their stuff. Simple things like tagging something in romaji in stead of using actual Japanese. If you're on a Japanese site, got to use the language. People will find your stuff if it's actually tagged properly.

>>23850793
>but I'm not sure it's better for them in the long run
Don't think too much about the "long run". Actually only few people cares about it.
Twitter allows you to post uncensored pictures, videos. You can post pictures of your cat as well.

I saw an account on Pixiv that was blatantly stealing art from other artists, and despite my numerous reports hasn't been suspended yet. Does anyone know what to do with it or what can be done? The account link is at https://www.pixiv.net/users/27068471..

The people who hate anime and loli are people who'd prefer to fuck actual children.

Pic related.

>>23853456
I've been saying it for years that actual kiddie fuckers use it as a scapegoat.

What I really hate about pixiv is that it got flooded by deviantart-tier western garbage.

>>23853301
>reuploading copyrighted artwork is ok
>accounts get taken down for not censoring right
Thanks Pixiv
>>23853637
Depends on the tags honestly, I feel like the fetish tags are filled to the brim with western artists who flocked from DeivantArt in hopes of bypassing DA's nonpornographic rules.
Most other tags that are SFW seem to be the usual mix of western and eastern artists of all skill levels.

>Used to delete my art after the dust settled a few days after
>Used to delete accounts for no reason
>Used to have no regard for archiving content

>>23853637
Let's not pretend the Japanese are free of this sort of thing.

>>23853301
Those are usually reported and taken care of.

>>23854224
He's been doing it for over a week now and the most that's happened is that one or two of his pictures got deleted, but his account is still up. I even sent him a message asking him to stop, but he never replied and he still continued doing it. After that though I noticed that he started posting art that couldn't be traced via SauceNAO, so I'm starting to wonder if he's doing all of this on purpose.

>>23853585
Furries and trannies too. It's the ones who act like they're unique for wanting to brutalize pedos who have something heinous they're trying to deflect from.

>>23854249
Sometimes people just use Pixiv as an repository for images they like. Is he actually trying to pass the art off as his own?

>>23853930
Those actually seem to have some level of effort put into them and at least some vague concept of anatomy. They aren't some flat, unshaded image of a foot or a person blowing up into a balloon. I'm curious if they're just copying the same thing over and over autistically or doing some sort of draw-a-box type thing.

>>23854249
Wonder what the point of that is. Validation via internet points? Theft with intent to profit based on false repertoire? Stick it to the loser nerds?

>>23854408
>>23854409
I can't tell, but it could be both. The worrying thing is that some of the stuff he's uploaded are actually paid stuff like doujins and CGs. Granted, you can find those for free on Sadpanda anyway, but to see them on Pixiv is just weird. Not to mention that the newer stuff he's uploading happen to be those that are not traceable on SauceNAO or were uploaded by artists who deleted their accounts makes me think he's ripping people off on purpose.

Couldn't someone else help me and try to report him?

>>23810144
The Western artists have been driving the Japanese artists off the platform. Especially so when Pixiv merged many of the English and Japanese tags together. Japanese users just don't want to see garbage, Western art. Who can blame them?

>>23853930
>it's ok when japonesesse do it

>>23854612
Who quote?

>>23854633
U mom

>>23854471
>Couldn't someone else help me and try to report him?
Why do you care so much? Do you feel sorry your favorite scat artist is being ripped off?

>>23854390
It's a shit flinging cycle.
They're all in a rat race to one up eachother.

Serious question: Why does the world get worse and worse every single year? This is just one symptom.

>>23855362
You just become more and more jaded. You not getting free and open access to eternally archived art is not the end of the world.

>>23853456
I looked that guy up and dude that's some shit. Apparently in February there was some kind of issue and they're gonna have to do another trial or something. I don't really understand how the court works. It looks like he's going with the "it was all RP, I thought I was talking to a daddydom" defense, and it's looking iffy to me. Bro, I think he might walk!

>>23853930
yeah i've seen plenty of that on pixiv. theres a lot of trash buried in there and you'll end up wanting to kill yourself after seeing that shit
>>23855362
jaded world man, and you get older. believe me, i feel it with /jp/ as a board after seeing Vtubers raping us

>>23810144

00000020 2007-09-09
--32 months--
10000000 2010-04-12
--15 months--
20000000 2011-07-01
--15 months--
30000002 2012-09-09
--15 months--
40000001 2013-11-29
--17 months--
50000000 2015-04-24
--19 months--
60000000 2016-11-18
--21 months--
70000000 2018-08-03
--19 months--
80000000 2020-03-09

No big change in the past 5 years.

I feel like the number of r-18 works has gone up over the past few years. I browsed all r-18 for, idk, the past 10 years maybe. Querying my db for counts is too slow, but at one point I expected there to be 1500 posts a day. Now it's nearly double that amount. I finally quit and freed myself from this autistic addiction earlier this year when pixiv api was glitching.

>>23857238
these men are both dead

>>23857455
Did a couple queries. 45000 r-18 posts in Jan 2016. 88000 r-18 posts in Jan 2020. The increase in r-18 is actually pretty ridiculous.

>>23810144
You should probably take this to /h/ instead.

>>23853930
>Our internet culture have taught the japs to be furries

>>23855362
Time to go kill yourself then.

>>23857787
I wonder if its the fault of vtubers or westeners.

>>23859003
I don't know who you're quoting but it was Japan who made all those sonic, animal crossing, and pokemon furries and kemono has always been a thing.

>>23853637
At least a surprising amount of them can't even into Japanese tags though, making all their tags in English...which while it's a sort of consolation, the arrogance of it also pisses me off. It doesn't take much brain power to find the appropriate Japanese tags and copy/paste.

>>23859099
Oh so now you're saying the japs are the biggest furries? All of western internet fanart until 2010 have been ONLY furries

>>23854408
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/2377941
I managed to find that artist again. Feel free to take a look around. He seems capable of some variety, but apparently prefers to avoid it.

Did they just limit the rankings to 100?

So if everyone is moving to twitter, how can you actually find art of characters you like?

>>23860976
Boorus. Someone more autistic than you will upload it eventually.

>>23861067
That's not going to work, there's only one person that autistic about my waifu and that's me I'm afraid.

>>23861067
Boorus are more trustworthy, you can find shit from 15 years ago. But there needs to be someone who likes the artist enough to upload their work before it gets deleted.

>>23860976
Luck

Twitter sucks that way

>>23860768
He has produced 5,197 submissions since 2010. That is like 1.4 a day, that's not even images since some have multiple images. Looking at his profile, this guy is definitely an autimolord, but at least he is keeping busy.

>>23859003
This doujinshi is from 1994, just saying.

>>23861108
Then get uploading, nerd.

>following number is capped at 5k
>to uncap it you need to get followers

twitter fucking sucks

>>23861110
I wonder how everyone concerned with preservation feels about all the images from old websites, blogs, bbs, even oekaki boards, and futaba's drawing boards disappearing forever without ever being archived.

>>23861255
bune cune

>>23861244
I'm not convinced he is getting any better with practice.
Kind of reminds me of 松永紅葉, who's been uploading one picture a day for the past ~7 years. Though my man 松永 has gotten better, notably by adding backgrounds to his pictures. He's also so nice as to upload to Twitter as well, providing for an excellent comparison of the two platforms when used for uploading art.
Pixiv: https://www.pixiv.net/users/440400
Twitter: https://twitter.com/kouyoumatsunaga

>>23860149
On the contrary, I always assumed furry came from Japan. Japanese fantasy games clear back to SNES had them, Slayers and Dragon Ball had them. As far as I know, the West was still doing sexy cartoon animals that were more on the animal side. The Japanese fantasy genre had been going furfag way back in the 80s. It probably went dormant for a couple decades because moe and lolis began to replace p much everything else.

>>23861351
>I wonder how everyone concerned with preservation feels about all the images from old websites, blogs, bbs, even oekaki boards, and futaba's drawing boards disappearing forever without ever being archived.
I'm a total fucking loser to browses Internet Wayback on artist's old websites and gather their images and reupload them elsewhere. Some of my favorites were hosted most often on fc2 or geocities.jp. Its amazing how many artists never uploaded their stuff to pixiv, etc, when migrating off of their personal site.

>>23855362
Globalism. Not worldliness and experiencing other cultures, but the intermingling of these cultures. Elite want global homogeneity, and the average IQ is 90-95. They want you at that level. Every system set in place since the 60s has been to this end. Complacent, tired, and unwilling to resist. This manifests as "getting jaded" when in reality you notice we live in an unprecedented time of control. Start a family and vote for your nation's conservative party

>>23861917
>the average IQ is 90-95.
That's not how IQ is supposed to work. It's also not a significantly lower IQ than 100, unless instead of being homogeneous it was a bunch of 70IQs and some 110+ elites. If they already have high IQs, they're elite by that alone and don't need to make anyone lesser than them any less intelligent.

Besides that, without globalism, you wouldn't have otaku culture.

>migrating to twitter
This is so dumb regardless of how bad pixiv might be.
Artists get much less exposition on twitter. There's no way to search properly and people never bother with tagging their tweets.

>>23861917
The premise of your argument is flawed. You want to control the populace, you divide and conquer. You're not going to do something so stupid like risking increasing the chances that people all over the world realize they have a common enemy. There are problems with globalism in its current form, in particular the lack of accountability of its major participants, but those can only really be solved globally. Try this locally without sufficient leverage (which most nations don't have) and they'll just move operations to Fight Island or something and screw you from a distance.
But yes, if you want people in charge who have refined Divide & Conquer to an art, kowtow to elites at every opportunity, giving them every taxbreak and deregulation they want, and are unwilling to invest in local culture, preferring to leave that to the marketplace full of multinational corporation, by all means vote for your national conservative party.

>>23862271
>Besides that, without globalism, you wouldn't have otaku culture.
In more ways than one. There's the matter that without it there wouldn't be a worldwide demand for Japanese entertainment, of course, but perhaps more importantly, Japan is one of the biggest beneficiaries of globalism. Without it, an island nation that doesn't have a whole lot of valuable natural resources, doesn't even have sufficient farmland to feed its population and has been in a recession for the last 30 years or so wouldn't have the economic leeway to produce that much entertainment in the first place.

>>23863755
That's actually the point for some artists. Twitter is great for informal rkgk work dumping where sites like pixiv would be more of a formal portfolio. Your twitter followers would probably be more understanding of the nuances of your art if they went that far to follow you. Still doesn't mean that you won't get shitty followers or death threats from foreign women though.

>>23861408
>I'm a total fucking loser
You're an archivist and a historian.
You saw something that ought to be saved and saved it. How many works were saved, because you were the only one not to forsake them?

>>23865550
I archive and reupload all kinds of stuff beyond old artist's art all the time since the thought of such things being dust in the wind is so unfortunate, there is so much interesting stuff out there that dosn't get the appreciation they deserve since they're lost to old websites and forgotten profiles. Sometimes though I feel like it isn't worth it, but I appropriate your post greatly, gives me back some of my resolve to keep chugging along.

>>23861110
Sometimes posting their shit in boorus is the reason the author goes nuclear and nukes everything.

Then again, if you don't repost their shit they still go crazy out of nowhere and meticulously remove all their work from every site they ever uploaded to. For no reason.

>>23854408
>Is he actually trying to pass the art off as his own?
90% of the time nobody is trying to pass as the original artist. Which is why Deviantart watermarks are fucking cancer and completely unnecessary.

If anyone here is a preservationist, keep in mind that if you save random images from 4chan while using a phone, you are not actually saving the full size versions. It may look like they are full size when you click on them and open them on their own separate tab, but it's actually a weird resize only available on phone. It is impossible to save the full size image on a phone if it's too big. Save a big image on PC and phone and compare the filesize. It's different.

>>23810144
With the way they've ruined the UI over the past couple years, are you surprised?

>>23861408
>I'm a total fucking loser

I respect you.

I notice they don't do anything about people abusing the ~users入り tags when you report it.

>>23864942
Asanagi made up that post so he could draw this.

>>23861408
Hardly a loser, but doing on-and-off ripping/scanning I get the emotions involved.
IMHO it's dealing with the sense that it is a largely thankless volunteer job that will only go appreciated by a few people, if even that. Most of the stuff on archive.org is in the same boat really.

But just think of all the works which have been lost to time that historians and laymen would love to have, all because the person in the right place and the right time failed to uncover it.

>>23863755
>Artists get much less exposition on twitter.
If you are an artist you will know this is absolutely wrong.

Twitter is very selective with the ban hammer. Don't the Japanese have pawoo to submit to anyway?

>>23868991
Am artist and it is absolutely correct, it's like plahing a dart board blind trying to get exposure for your art. Most artists, japanese or not get very little attention on social media. The few that do already have gigantic fanbases obviously.

>>23861408
do historians call themselves losers for noting anything for history? no

>>23865723
Exactly. Japs can't be trusted because keeping their art available isn't a concern for them.

I FUCKING HATE TWITTER

>>23868991
I don't even know how to discover / search stuff on twitter.
You either already follow the artist (or follow someone who retweets from that artist), or you are screwed.

>>23871787
You literally can't. But hey, at least the artist gets to show you their food pics.

>>23869684
>i'm an artist
No you aren't. Stop pretending.
You just like pixiv because you can search with tags and download the pictures.

>>23869684
Does that mean if I search well enough I can find some decent artist that doesn't want too much money for drawing my wife?

>>23871787
You have to mass download everything and then sort through the gacha and food pics. It's the only way.

>>23869884
>>23868596
>>23866702
Thanks anons

> mfw a bunch of artists started to post cropped art on pixiv and full version on fanbox, fantia and pateron
Did the virus turn japanese into jews?

>>23873977
>teh j00z are the only people who want to make money badmeme

>>23872090
Yeah probably, there's someone always desperate enough to do cheap commissions
>>23871983
t. Popular artist who thrives off of Twitter and wants other art platforms to die off to keep raking likes

>>23874332
Who are you quoting?

is it just me or i.pximg.net/ are very slow, and half of the time fail to load the image

>>23874345
Nobody wants pixiv to die, retard. Stop crying just because artists prefer Twitter over your favorite platform.

>>23874881
Twitter is objectively worse for art, why shouldn't people "cry" about it?

Maybe you guys should organize your collection into food, gacha and art, in separate folders, then upload. An anon who knows tensorflow might pick them up and make an automated image classifier.

>>23875217
Heh, something like that shouldn't even be that hard to train a network on actually.

Does anyone here use Hydrus?
https://github.com/hydrusnetwork/hydrus

Basically it is a self-hosted booru with the ability to share one's tags with others in a decentralized fashion.
Years ago I ran it, and while it was a chore to use it and performance wasn't the best, it did essentially work as advertised, and had built-in website scrapers, including Twitter, so you could get a queue of images to tag and share with others (if they have an image with the same hash). And back then, I actually did many decently tagged images after using it on my older unsorted folders.

Mainly asking because it still seems to be actively developed, but not really sure how widely used it is or the general efficacy.

>>23873977
That's been a norm in Japan before Pixiv was even a thing, the main difference being that instead of using online shops, people would sell physical copies at conventions. Many doujin artists would transition to that when they make longer-form works.

The biggest difference is that the barrier to entry is low enough that more amateur artists will have one of those accounts on the side for either long-form works or practical commissions.

People still regularly dump it for others, but really the biggest difference is the explosion in niche art that is behind a paywall. IMHO much of that would've been unavailable or uncreated otherwise, so it's just supply and demand coming into play.

Pretty much

Vtuber fanarts on pixiv: 77,163
Vtuber fanarts on twitter: 784,536

>>23876137
Vtubers who should be hanged: all of the above

>>23876730
Getting peeved at streamers these days is much ado about nothing.

>>23810167
Searching twitter for artist works is like looking for a needle in a haystack. You get 1 image out if 500 unrelated retweets

Reminder to always put :orig at the end of twitter pics before you save them.

>>23875001
>Twitter is objectively worse for art
And? Who the fuck care if Twitter is worse or better for arts (or for you)?
Artists prefer Twitter. Crying on /jp/ won't change anything.

>>23879086
What?

>>23810144
ive nmotice most of the edgier artists have started to censor themselves on pixiv and then put their real work on even more edgy sites sort of like the furries had to do with inkbunny.
Feral lemma in particular even started censoring at that site which was Fantia for him and then going to another fucking site to put his uncensored shit.
No one talks about it but i think pixiv has some unspoken porn crackdown going on

>>23879267
If your point is that I should stop posting on /jp/ because it doesn’t accomplish anything and get a life instead, then I question your sincerity.

>>23882432
Yes, get a life, support the artist, be his patreon and download all the high resolution png pictures.
It's much better than downloading low quality censored shits on pixiv.

>>23883287
Fantastic time to start giving money to Patreon, just as they are banning "Japanese-style" art. Can't wait to give my money to fashists.

>>23883423
Well go for Fantia or Enty then.

never think of pixiv as an archive or something that will stay around
always report any picture you want to gelbooru danbooru or some similar site if you want it to actually stay around, because pixiv is only a few steps away from being as cancerous as twitter

I like how tumblr is forgotten nowadays. Sites will never learn.

>>23859083
Azur Lane and GFL lived and in the latters case died in that time. FGO was halfway through 2015 and then blew up massively in popularity by 2016 easily because porn, and it kept going until... today, because it's still going. It's probably those instead of westerners or vtubers, the latter of which is easily checkable and seems like there's only 5,500-ish posts of and the former is impossible to quantify but I doubt it'll be more than a couple thousand posts.

>>23886030
Fateshit was popular 15 years ago. It will be popular 15 years from now. It will just have adapted to whatever medium will be as common as gacha is today.

>>23886120
Fate was always popular, but FGO is something else. Before you'd have just horny otakus drawing porn of Saber and Rin and turning Sakura into even more NTR bait then she already is, but with FGO the game is literally designed around characters made for porn and nothing else. Almost 50k pictures in the tag alone without accounting for the search feature being busted and not counting the full amount of posts in a tag because they only let you go back 100 pages or some shit. There's no way 2hu only has 14k porn posts since the dawn of the site for example.

>>23886120
Fate was always popular, but FGO is something else. Before you'd have just horny otakus drawing porn of Saber and Rin and turning Sakura into even more NTR bait then she already is, but with FGO the game is literally designed around characters made for porn and nothing else. Almost 50k pictures in the tag alone without accounting for the search feature being busted and not counting the full amount of posts in a tag because they only let you go back 100 pages or some shit. There's no way 2hu only has 14k porn posts since the dawn of the site for example. And vtubers are only like three years old according to googling kizuna ai's debut so even assuming pixiv only lets you see the last 2-ish years of content I heavily doubt she/anyone else had countless amounts of porn beforehand.

>>23886274
>2hu only has 14k porn posts
>FGO at only 50k

>>23837913
>A new or an unpopular artist will still get more views on pixiv, unless some popular artist retweets his work.
Japanese artists are surprisingly good at promoting newer or less skilled artists. Someone like Melty Pot for example will retweet an artist with less than 500 followers and they'll get a boost from that. You'll even see them retweeting rudimentary drawings during special events like character birthdays. That's going to be really encouraging for new artists and good for people like us trying to find new art that's not on the *boorus already.

>>23886436
First tag associated with Touhou is nakadashi, third is futa, fourth is loli. If you'll excuse my French, that's quite basé.

>>23810144

HAHAHAHAHA

Honestly, pixiv died for me the moment they change the god damn fucking website.

>>23886436
Again, pixiv tag searching is really specific and really fucking dumb because it doesn't count everything after a point that I'm not positive on. I'm pretty sure I've jerked off to more than 14k 2hu's on that site alone.

>>23887784
Oh, nevermind, I misread your post entirely. I guess I searched the wrong tags entirely then, my bad.

>>23887801
Try searching in japanese when using Pixiv ;^)

>>23885914
Not really forgotten entirely, just retreated back to a niche which makes it uninteresting to the casual internet addict.

I imagine 4chan, Twitter, and Reddit would also experience a decent traffic die-off if NSFW content was no longer allowed and effectively enforced, but that doesn't mean that's all they're good for.

wish we had more of these threads. board needs more variety in threads instead of image dump, general, general, and faggot Vtubers
>>23886551
nice. i'm gonna attempt to get better at my drawings and probably start back the /jp/ drawthreads. glad to know that some japs care

>>23894587
I don't want to say it, but 4chan would probably be better off if anything more risque than a school swimsuit was banned. Westerners really can't handle the freedom to post porn without posting porn all the time. Even a NSFW because no one has a job /jp/ would probably just be 100+ threads of VN porn scene dumps.

>>23895355
>wish we had more of these threads.
What? Doom posting? Do you wish there were more "I hate Kancolle/Fate, why are they killing Touhou?" threads too?

>>23896658
Yes.

>>23895355
> probably start back the /jp/ drawthreads
please do

>>23895355
>wish we had more of these threads. board needs more variety in threads instead of image dump, general, general, and faggot Vtubers
Beyond the general conservativism of jays in topics, I think it is a combination of (relatively) strict moderation and a certain evader which makes original threads as sparse as they are. When you make a thread that's unprecedented and isn't explicitly permitted on the rule boards, there's a decent chance the thread will be removed for off-topic. And reposting it some time later may be regarded as spam. You're bound to get misfires when moderation generally sides with the gut "get out of /jp/" reaction (see the first posts in this thread).

And if the mods permit it, then you have to deal with this guy: >>/jp/thread/S23810144#p23810393 .
Because he can't have a thread dedicated to his idol outside of the relevant general, he will lash out against other threads that don't already have a dedicated posting base (generals/2hu/certain other series) and could be construed as breaking a rule. And failing to get it deleted, he'll take it into his own hands to force those threads off the catalog by bumping all the other threads. And he primarily targets threads that are slow enough for this tactic to actually work (since a single bump can undo hours of work).
He backed off on commenting in this thread once it caught on, but he's also not bumping it unlike most threads, so I imagine he'll try to push it off if it gets on page 8 or so out of spite. Because god forbid if he doesn't have a say in it.

>>23896636
>Westerners really can't handle the freedom to post porn without posting porn all the time.
5ch's non-porn boards for stuff like Touhou have the exact same problem with equal/worse intensity, just that the links are offsite. Likewise, a community /r/touhou does effectively enforce tagging of all suggestive content as NSFW and limiting removing porn posts (not saying you should go there, but that's just a fact).
This is much less an east-west thing, and much more dependent on the moderation of particular communities/subcommunities. The most popular anonymous imageboards/BBS are lax beyond being on-topic and keeping images non-explicit, and so they generally keep the baby with the bathwater. In comparison, you lose the raw/tangential/silly/unforced nature of posts when you get into a more heavily moderated community, like /r/touhou, or even other imageboards which enforce SFW (like Tohno-chan, or Wizardchan's /jp/).

>>23898021
>>>/jp/thread/S23810144#p23810393
What's the deal with that guy lmao
newfag here, only about 4 years of sparingly posting and lurking, he seems to be relatively new? When did he first appear? He certainly wasn't here about 2 years ago

>>23898255
Maybe he was here before, but he was still sane back then.

>>23895355
>probably start back the /jp/ drawthreads
If you do so please name them OC threads like they used to be, I always liked how you could post whatever you made in them and didn't necessarily have to be drawings

>>23898701
What else was usually posted in them apart from drawings?

>>23901648
Music mostly. Sometimes other stuff like carvings. I don't think anyone finished a game except that guy who kept advertising his Norse 2hu whatever it was called.

>>23896658
Would you take doom posting or endless cookie cutter image dumps and generals?

>>23898255
That guy (assuming he's the sallyfag) only started popping up in the catalog to my notice in like, mid to late 2017, and in whatever /jp/ culture thread he hates likely because he doesn't understand them sometime in late 2018 I'd wager? Possibly earlier on both counts but there's not enough time in the world to find out all the dumb shit he's posted over and over again. Some say he's some idol thread reject, some say he's some vtuber thread reject, that he's just some random autist who stumbled onto /jp/, or some stalker of her twitter that got blocked by her one day, or someone who wants to be known across a board/boards, or even Sally herself.

There's a million theories but none of it really matters, I just take pleasure in knowing his favorite idol group is failing. They couldn't get popular as net idols, they couldn't capitalize on the western market with Sally, they couldn't capitalize on the youtube market which even literal toddlers can do, and checking Wikipedia while I'm writing this one of their members left and got replaced too very recently which is definitely a death sentence. Pretty much the only win they got was an anime and it's likely the only one they'll get. I just hope when they disband he doesn't try to stream his suicide or whatever it is crazy idolfags do nowadays.

>>23902700
Remind me again why an idol board or eceleb board haven’t been made? The Vtuber threads alone are a stray of what we have here. Hell they don’t even abide by the rules in the hololive threads

>>23902732
Hiro doesn't care for 4chan.

>>23902732
>rules in the hololive threads
See, I didn't even know they had rules there, because I don't visit that thread nor did I know we're some fucking forum with rules on a per-thread basis. "They" my ass, stay in your own thread instead of talking about things you clearly don't understand.

>>23902700
This is the autist who spams the picture of the idol in a mask and a thread title something along the lines of "the otaku idol", right?

Very informative posts by the way, you have a lot of good theories.

>>23902694
Latter. Why would I ever choose pointless shitposting and /v/-type bullshit over on-topic threads?

>>23902937
That’s sally, and I got banned by mocking him. Bet he’s a mod also
>>23902799
There’s a shit ton of threads of Vtubers on /v/ also, and that’s where I’m assuming all the threads general population is from. That or people from youtube who have never lurked on 4chan at all

>>23902700
Somebody linked to a /qa/ thread recently where somebody with the same posting patterns as Sallyfag was doing his usual thing, complaining about idols in general. I think his motivation is to attach his annoying posting to things he doesn't like (idol threads, off-topic posts) in the hopes of bringing them to the attention of the mods. He has gotten progressively more irritated at what he sees as hypocrisy on their part, because someone clearly shows up to remove his posts, but doesn't remove things like "translate this for me /jp/" threads.

>>23902700
I don't think Sallyfag is the same guy anymore honestly. The older guy used to at least spam other images of her from her twitter or whatever. The type of modern schizo posting seems to be more about crying that threads he doesn't like don't get deleted and using that post type to cry more about it when it does get deleted. He really seems like that insane guy who tried to get people to play Wizardry with him a long time ago and shitposted in and reported other MMORPG threads for being about KMMOs like RO instead of his ugly western looking Wizardry.

I'd believe he was making those shitty threads just to cry about them and spam more images himself, like people used to make threads and then delete them themselves, then cry the mods were deleting their threads until people became unable to delete posts here.

>>23902984
I want to stray from the same old image dump threads.

>>23902732
They're not bronies, and they likely never will be because that shit happened overnight, and if it took spamming on /co/ /tv/ /b/ and whatever other boards and presumably going into random threads just to post ponyshit for I think at least a year before it finally got its own board.

As for celebrities as a whole I'm pretty sure that's just what /tv/ is for and if people want to talk about whatever youtuber or twitch streamer there's already /v/ or /b/ or /bant/ or whatever 'anything goes' board to work with. And even assuming that's not the case and there's a huge market for talking about random internet celebrities that people somehow aren't forcibly trying to capitalize on, this is Hiroyuki we're talking about here. He can barely keep up the servers as they are nowadays, what makes you think he'll pay for and handle a whole 'nother board on a site that probably doesn't make him money beyond data selling or whatever it is he does now?
>>23902937
They're not my theories, it's just the random shit I've seen over the years whenever people talk about him. Personally I just think he's some autist who thinks he's becoming notably infamous like Jack the Ripper without realizing that it's possible to be known, hated, and still mostly entirely ignored except by the staff who has to keep putting up with you. Which I'm sure a good chunk of us experienced in school.

>>23902732
>Remind me again why an idol board or eceleb board haven’t been made?
Look at /tv/, especially in the archive. Look at its deleted posts. Imagine that board but without the few actual on topic threads about tv shows and movies that it has. Peek into the idol threads too. Such a board would be just wall to wall shittalking and cunnyposting.

>>23903068
Then make a good, on-topic thread, that is about otaku culture and not 3D Japan or something that belongs in /a/, and support it with informative posts instead of shitty templates and inflammatory statements. A board where people just whine about shit all day is what those dead spinoff /jp/s are for.

>>23903030
>Somebody linked to a /qa/ thread recently where somebody with the same posting patterns as Sallyfag was doing his usual thing, complaining about idols in general.
He posts in the "happenings" threads whenever he doesn't get his way for a particularly long time, throws the same tantrums there, and gets banned again. He also goes into the mod chat irc and whines at the mods there.

>>23903030
If thats true I'm surprised he doesn't use that autism to just wipe the board clean on a daily basis with proxies like that one time frogposters did that. I'm incredibly glad he doesn't, don't get me wrong, but it'd be strange if he's stupid enough to do something like that over years and not stupid enough to try and do it all over the course of a week.

>>23903209
You can't spam /jp/ fast enough anymore because the generals will all remake their threads the moment they fall off, pushing off your spam threads and those generals are all ran and supported by mods, so if they see their precious threads dying early, they'll come out and delete other threads

>>23903120
And I have. Problem is, they get buried under the ocean of piss
>>23903069
It’s also a fad that I’m hoping that dies down. How one can keep watching Vtubers is gonna snow it’s impact in a year.

>>23903360
>Problem is, they get buried under the ocean of piss
Then make it again or accept that no one cares about your thread and make a different one. It takes a day normally for a thread to reach page 10. If you can't even bump your own threads once a day, it deserves to fall off. And you should have at least a few small posts of content you want to discuss.

How do i even use twitter to begin with? I'm not joking, it's UI is terrible and everything cluttered mess and it's a pain in the ass to keep track of your feed if someone just writes something every hour on his wall and customization doesn't work exist. do i just use hashtags? or something?

>>23903360
>It’s also a fad that I’m hoping that dies down.
It's not. It's watching cute anime girls/boys play games and flirt with you. Why would that die out? Otaku would die out first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1LFKoqmtg

>>23871787
Is there a Twitter web scraper that lets you get only tweets with images? Right now I'm just using my timeline and I miss a ton of art.

>>23903418
Barely.

>>23903426
Barely what?

>>23903447
It’s barely even flirting if you have to pay to get them attention. It’s whoring essentially

>>23903491
That’s my fetish
https://youtu.be/oxtIQ4gDcj0

>>23903491
No, it's just nerds playing games with an anime avatar and retards donate to them for some idiotic reason. It's not like there aren't people who do lets plays or live streams without taking donations. This isn't anything new except using a company to monetize them.

>>23903360
Gotta agree with anon, that's entirely on you for not making a thread worth posting in, but I wouldn't expect someone screaming about "make a new board because there's yet another stupid general on here!!1!" to understand that.

>>23903713
And yet it blew up. Disgusts me.

>>23903744
Japan loving lets players who already get paid and paying them more disgusts you?

>>23903867
I just dislike streamer culture in general.

>>23903744
It didn't blow up, it was already there for years. It's just streaming games like on twitch or something, fused with those MMD type shows like Tesagure that were popular in the years before youtubers became a thing.
Actually I'm surprised they don't have Tesagure-like talk shows.

In any case, while I don't like youtubers, I don't get the hate for them in specific either. Lets players are annoying and I hate people talking over a game they're supposed to be showing me, but they're more of just playing games and not explaining them, even though they seem to still make retarded overreactions. The threads are annoying but hating them because of the fans is silly Although I've slightly started disliking Asian women because of all the gravure/jav kusothreads, silly me.

I don't get you or people who hate touhou or idolmaster or any other mainstay of otaku culture. Like what do you even want the board to be about? Dozens of off topic "Japanese bird" spam with the same tired images and replies? You see where that got the spinoffs. Honestly all the people who just want to be disruptive to the board should just go to /s4s/ and be done with it.

>>23903872
You're about a dozen years too late then. Japan blew up crying a week or two ago because a mainstay niconico lets player duo did a retirement stream after 12 years of videos and streams, Bakumatsu something or other.

>>23903209
>>23903196
>>23903030
>>23902700
>>23898255
check this nigga out >>/jp/thread/S23830451#p23894519

>>23903970
*signing the posts before they get archived like he did something

>>23903908
its more on the general culture behind streamers and how they get a fanbase that gets into a very rancid state. I know this happens often for western guys, but for the east is unknown. They can have their Vtuber threads, but at least respect the boards culture and what has happened the past decade of so rather than hiding in your general and never venturing out
>>23903970
and this is why idol threads are the worst. Vtubers at least do have people who care, but i have never seen on idol/JAV poster care for what this board does outside their hovels

>>23904020
I realize you may not have read that entire post due to the spacing and the initially agreeable first paragraph, but it ends up calling the Japanese bird cooking spaghetti "spam". So you probably just replied to Sallyfag in a rare moment of consciousness rather than a legitimate /jp/sie.

>>23904095
oh fuck.

>>23904113
It's okay, it's happened to me before where I agree with a post that has some innocuous little tell that it's assumedly the sallyfag. You just gotta double and then triple read every post you reply to in a thread-turned-meta nowadays.

>>23904205
also on the topic of pixiv and other image sites, theres skeb that does more requests and such. That could be an alternative for pixiv but it does leave me wondering if pixiv will keep going as a site

>>23904095
>but it ends up calling the Japanese bird cooking spaghetti "spam"
japanese bird cooking spaghetti threads were posted literally thousands of times and was indisputably spam

just because you like doesn't mean it's not, in fact, spam

>>23904095
Sallyfag is living in your head
And as >>23905233 says, just because it is "jp culture" does not mean it is not spam. It is still shitposting even if you're being ironic. Worst of all, that kind of innocuous spam has led to the 4cc guys using those types of threads to talk about their cross board tourney, since they think the mods will just glaze over the meme thread.

>>23904205
Rent free. You're as schizo as he is.

btw sallyfag has never been able to say anything coherent. They first just only repeated whatever someone posted in their threads like a bot and then went to having incoherent outbursts. I don't think they're actually capable of writing normally. They unironically believe they're leading some crusade that is exposing mod corruption.

>>23904020
>They can have their Vtuber threads, but at least respect the boards culture and what has happened the past decade of so rather than hiding in your general and never venturing out
They're the only group that does post in other threads sometimes. Also seriously, stop clinging to the past and get some new interests already. 4chan moved on from cockmongler, happy negro, and men's warehouse memes. Why is /jp/ so hung up on flanfly, japanese bird, and hoopdog? At least hang on to good memes like the "post the do you even lift one" one instead of daily doses.

>>23904230
Pixiv has no reason to suddenly disappear, but it will probably become more and more of a western site. And then ban westerners for not censoring and fade into obscurity.

>>23905375
Why are you so stuck up on wanting to erase culture based on what you said?

>>23905375
i actually deleted my post when i saw that sallyfag had been crusading in both of these threads because it's just not worth it to go to bat for someone like that, he'll just decide that his shit is the same as an actual community meme or something godawful.

>btw sallyfag has never been able to say anything coherent.
he consistently argues with the mods and with the community in both IRC and /qa/, he's clearly capable of stringing english sentences together into something approximating an argument.

>but it will probably become more and more of a western site
people have been complaining about the westernization of pixiv for like a whole decade and it's still there. i've barely even noticed any change. maybe i'm just stalking the wrong franchises.

>>23905375
you know do that in the past, /jp/ at large participated in the selection of their team for 4cc because it was basically an informal representation of the community? the face of /jp/, so to speak. sure, there were some people that hated on it but no more than hated on your average retarded meme, even if we couldn't give less of a shit about the actual cup except maybe to get some laughs at the reaction of the uninitiated to three minutes and twenty-three seconds of remi fingering flan. it was the mods that axed all behavior of that variety and relegated it to closet /vg/ raiders, not community backlash.

>>23905675
and they still do because the 4cc hasnt died. its remarkable because theres so much discord trash, yet it still manages to be based on here. fucking mods have allowed it to happen. now? we cant have those fun threads because mods are strict as hell here

if the manager is reading this thread do not get rid of get out as the captain
>>23905593
im gonna say its because you are in the wrong franchise but 2hu is affected from shitty western art

>>23903418
>>23903534
>>23903713
It's literally Simp culture in the face of a anime girl.

>>23904020
>rather than hiding in your general and never venturing out
every time someone tries to venture out of the general they get hounded back into the threads by users and deleted back into their general by mods. people respond to incentives: play enough whack-a-mole and the moles will learn to stop coming out. even the idolfags used to interact with /jp/ at large in "community threads" who got along as fellow otaku even if they couldn't understand the appeal of each other's shit, before the board decided that idols weren't anti-/jp/ and declared a generalized jihad on them so that there's no longer any point in mutual interaction whatsoever.

>>23905764
vtubers, lpers, utaites/odoites, seiyuus and idols all predate even the invention or at least the popularization of the word simp. an unhealthy obsession with female individuals has composed at least a quarter of all otaku culture for the past twenty years. nobody forces you to like it, but it's utterly inane to predict that that sort of shit is going anywhere. nothing short of a mass doxxing of all vtubers would put a dent in the movement.

>>23905794
>vtubers, lpers, utaites/odoites, seiyuus and idols all predate even the invention or at least the popularization of the word simp. an unhealthy obsession with female individuals has composed at least a quarter of all otaku culture for the past twenty years. nobody forces you to like it, but it's utterly inane to predict that that sort of shit is going anywhere. nothing short of a mass doxxing of all vtubers would put a dent in the movement.

Pretty good description bro, I liked idols but yeah once the thing stars hiting levels IRL attention the whole thing feeds the Simp culture though I don't think a mass doxxing will solve everything, the thing should start dissolving by the Japanese stop degrading their culture an themselves with the western influence which already sounds pretty hard, still I can see thing like "this vtuber voice actress just fucked this guy or say a divisive opinion" which could ruin their thing individually if not it's happening right now.

>>23905675
>/jp/ at large
/v/ crossboarders are not "/jp/ at large". Are you going to suggest "/jp/ at large" participated in 4chan balls and stuff with board tans at any point as well?

>>23905993
it wasnt /v/? in fact, the /v/ posters are everywhere in the Vtuber threads

>>23905993
the reception for choosing the 4cc team was larger than it ever was for balls and tans. nobody ever got hundreds of posts in threads about either of those except people spamming pasta telling them to fuck off. 4cc cup _team selection_, though, is a just a themed metathread where people vote on /jp/'s best memes of all time, and so close to all the masturbatory metathread bullshit /jp/ loves to do on a regular basis that the community was actually engaged. not all crossboard events are made equals.

>Are you going to suggest
are you going to respond to the contents of my post instead of things you pretended in my post but were not?

>>23903420
try "twitter media downloader" firefox add-on
>lets you get only tweets with images
its do it job, but unfortunately it cant differentiate between art, food or gacha pic

>>23906405
Thank you, that's totally fine.

>>23905824
>he thing should start dissolving by the Japanese stop degrading their culture an themselves with the western influence
Large-scale ritualized obsession with members of the opposite sex is pretty universal, as it appeals to a (nearly) universal human desire to engage in romantic/sexual relations with the opposite sex. What's different now is that people have spare cash.

The efficient capitalization of these ritualized obsessions, while first originating in the West with the proliferation of mass media allowing for the aggressive dissemination of idealized personas, has become so popular precisely because it doesn't depend on an adoption or acceptance of Western cultural standards, just the technological innovations and the existence of people with excess capital who find particular value in these personas.
Capitalism is itself not inherently Western, but rather a socioeconomic order through which work and production are realized which was conceptualized in the West. While this greatly influences culture and introduces a new social order, it is also able to appropriate most preexisting cultures rather than directly conflict with them. This is why societies which have adopted capitalist economies to varying degrees can still ignore or reject Western cultural norms. In fact, the most idiosyncratic and incompatible elements of Western culture (language, religion, non-universal taboos, etc.) were mostly established in the Feudal era, and have declined as capitalism arose. What capitalism truly represents is a global paradigm shift that minimizes inherent cultural value for capital value, West included.

What I am trying to say is that if you removed every uniquely Western element adopted by Japanese culture, that would do little to counter the the popularity of idols/vtubers/lpers/etc., as their intrinsic value is driven more by those with spare capital and personal attachment than any ideological tenet unique to the West.

Is there even a point trying to have a discussion about anything when its clear sallyfags just going to scream about everything he hates in attempts to make it seems like he matters? The 4cc is just a slight annoyance at best for christs sake.

>>23906806
the best we can do is ignore him. the 4cc here is whatever it comes and goes. no harm no foul. s*lly? those fags can fuck off and i think /jp/ would never even notice if it fucked off.

>>23905375
I gotta say, this post is some next level mental gymnastics. Stick to making auto-deleted threads and necrobumping, at least then we can't get a peak into your fucked up psyche.

>>23906871
you're even fucking dumber than sally. people have been complaining about japanese bird for almost as long as japanese bird has been around.

>>23906881
Because this is the site of contrarians. There's probably people who dislike it because its popular or just don't like memes, but he hates it as if it killed his dog and raped his mother.

>>23906899
>why is /jp/ so hung up on flanfly, japanese bird, and hoopdog?
>he hates it as if it killed his dog and raped his mother.
i'm not seeing it

>>23906934
Who did you quote?

>>23907001
He was quoting >>23906934 and >>23905375

>>23907001
He was quoting >>23906899 and >>23905375

Is it possible to switch back to Pixiv's old format? The new one makes doing anything take forever.

>>23907299
I don't know why decided to fuck things up for everyone when they could've just used that for mobile only.

>>23907299
From Pixiv's side, doesn't look like it. If you use an unsupported browser they'll just tell you to get Chrome.

It's certainly possible to make a userscript/addon that uses a combination of API requests and page scraping to reconstruct most/all of the old UI. People have done it scratch particular itches*, but AFAIK no one has made a complete UI replacement as of yet. It would probably be a very brittle addon as well, and be prone to breaking with API/Page design changes.

* https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts?filter_locale=0&q=pixiv.com&sort=updated

>>23861408
Thank you for your service. Those who preserve the fast help up prepare for the future and understand where we came from. No matter how trivial or pointless it may seem, everything preserved is valuable. Even most archaeologists use trash as a focus!

T. Archaeologist and fan of history.

>>23907382
>I don't know why decided to fuck things up for everyone when they could've just used that for mobile only.
WebDev and consumer trends.

As phone browsers have become further integrated and intercompatible with their desktop equivalents, there has been a push to utilize the same website across all browsers. In particular, because nearly everyone will be using some variant of Webkit (Safari) or Google's fork of Webkit, Blink (Chrome, Edge, Vivaldi, Brave, etc.), this means they really just have to design for one/both of those engines for it to run predictably across most platforms. The only notable engines this leaves out are Trident (IE), which is given the legacy treatment or unsupported, and Gecko (Firefox), where the Firefox development team generally succeeds in maintaining enough compatibility with Webkit/Blink for this to be a trivial issue on most sites (for now).

This has been pushed in the past few years with two primary goals:
1. Streamlining website development
2. Standardizing user interface/experience across devices

1 is primarily self-serving for the site owners. Easier to maintain, can be pushed out to all platforms at once, consolidation of bug reports/fixes, etc. Users aren't going to really notice the developmental difference, so it is understandably bullshit to them if the UI is worse (and especially if anti-features like adblock prevention are integrated).

2 is less bullshit if you consider the average user, but still probably bullshit for you, because you're probably a power user like me. Unless you assume every touch-based user will utilize an app if available (unlikely on tablets), the unified UI will be designed with interoperability for both both touch-based and mouse/keyboard input. Of course this compromise usually sucks more on the keyboard/mouse environments, but it usually doesn't suck to the point of becoming absolutely unusable as well. It also means that once users get used to the new design (if it is still usable, most people complain for a few weeks at most*), they will know how to navigate the site on all devices.

So even if you think it is bullshit/bad/wrong, there are concrete reasons why they did not stick to mobile only for this change, and instead pushed it for everyone.

* See Twitter's redesign. And if you use Twitter, try forcing an Internet Explorer user agent and compare the difference. If you're still using it, you got used to it despite how inferior it is on desktop.

>>23907897
Hold up, why the christ are so many people using chrome? I know IE sucks and Edge doesn't look much better, but goddamn.

This isn't counting android devices and stuff because they're counted as mobile, right? Sweet christmas.

>>23908030
It's because IE is shit that Chrome is so widespread. Also Edge is just reskinned Chrome.

>>23908054
That's only one piece of the puzzle from Chrome. That's actually the primary reason Firefox gained popularity, but even most people still wouldn't go out of their way to switch to Firefox just because IE was shit.

>>23908030
>This isn't counting android devices and stuff because they're counted as mobile, right?
That chart is ambiguous, but this one from the same source (Statcounter) includes Safari and Chrome on mobile.

>Hold up, why the christ are so many people using chrome?
1. From release through most of the 2010s, Blink-based browsers (using Chrome or Chrome's web engine) were the most responsive and performant browsers for end user experience. Power users who were not dependent on certain addons or settings in Firefox migrated to Chrome early on for this reason. Also, this was still a time when most power users were still hyped about new Google products, and where the name carried an overwhelmingly positive reputation.

2. Google advertised the browser on their platforms, immediately giving it much more visibility to the layman than Firefox ever had. Also, the installer itself was innovative in being a very quick initial download which didn't require much input from the user, which probably kept people from stopping partway.

3. Later on, Google began an aggressive campaign to bundle chrome with prebuilt PCs and the installers of popular applications, where it would often be set as the default browsers automatically. At that point, most people couldn't be arsed to switch back to IE as long as Chrome worked. Unfortunately, that's what was probably most effective on the desktop.

4. Google ported Chrome to android in 2013, and it quickly became the default android browser on most phones, which is still the case. And mobile became the dominant device for internet browsing.

5. Through a combination of market majority and a good development environment, Chrome became the standard from webdevs, which led to other browsers slowly becoming less performant/compatible with newly developed websites, forcing the hand of those who had continued to use IE or an outdated browser throughout all of this.

>>23815187
Kodomo no jikan was successful on there a few years ago. I guess the CEO'S wife got jealous.

Another thread killed by Sallyfag. At least there wasn't really much to this one beyond "fuck twitter".

in the mean time while this thread still alive (even though it reach the bump limit) can some one make new OC thread

>>23908775
i can't see why a power user would migrate to a platform where basic settings are intentionally hidden. seems more likely they'd use a fork of firefox or whatever that best suited their needs and can be easily tweaked. not that i'm a power user, but that's what i did ages ago and it's worked better than chrome, barring the occasional website compatibility issue. and i also swear i was already cold to google by the time chrome came out, but i might have been in a small minority then.

now, if you mean your typical non-illiterate computer users boosting chrome's initial adoption, that would make sense.

>>23919065
By power user, I mean essentially anyone who goes to some measurable length to modify their web browsing experience beyond what is provided to them, with the possible exception of installing adblock. Even most people with a plethora of addons don't go diving into about:config or chrome:// to tinker with hidden settings if they are available. And IMHO the full settings menu provided by Firefox and Chrome are not widely different in their restrictiveness, although Chrome is the most restrictive of the two.

For people who used Firefox because it was better than IE, but didn't depend on Firefox-only extensions or settings, the main determinants would be less measurable preferences, like willingness for change, desire for maximal performance, brand loyalty/disloyalty, ideological commitments, etc. If Chrome was more performant, didn't have loyalties to the Mozilla project, and didn't mind using a Google browser, then they would be likely to switch over to Chrome once they tried it.

>seems more likely they'd use a fork of firefox or whatever that best suited their needs and can be easily tweaked.
A decent minority of people did exactly that, especially when XUL addons were removed in Firefox. Some people stayed, some moved back to Firefox when webextensions got good enough, etc. I never had much need for it myself, since Firefox never became too bad for me.

>and i also swear i was already cold to google by the time chrome came out, but i might have been in a small minority then.
In tech circles and on sites like 4chan, there were already vocal detractors whose distrust of Google's effective monopolization of internet services turned out to be good foresight. However, just because one distrusts/dislikes the company which provides the browser doesn't mean they'll actually refuse to use it if they otherwise prefer it. Amazon, Microsoft, AT&T, etc. are other good examples.

For me personally, I've always used Firefox as my primary, but I also use chromium as a secondary for various purposes.

>>23918761
It's been autosaged for over a day for reaching the bump limit, so even if he does do his bumps, it did not end up killing much if any discussion.
This is a completely normal way for a decent discussion to end.

>At least there wasn't really much to this one beyond "fuck twitter"
There's more to it than that, if just for the fact that people have been getting into the nitty-gritty of pixiv/fanbox/twitter/patreon/fantia/archival and so on.
I'm not sure what you are expecting if this thread comes off as low-quality to you.

>>23919907
chrome didn't have an about:config equivalent at the start. judging by the bugtracker log, it didn't get one until 2011. you could still set launch options, so you could work around it, but this was still a major warning sign, for me at least. there also wasn't a noscript equivalent or even the ability to make one, per the noscript dev at least, which made chrome an auto-nope for me. frankly, this should have relegated chome to backup/experimental usage at best... at the very least for anyone who ventures to unfamiliar sites.

>>23925394
Thanks for the info anon, and while I may not agree 100%, I do agree 95%, which is close enough for all practical purposes.