/jp/ - Otaku Culture

link to teh track?

wuts nazrins theme

Which gaem is it from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2VwFqDV2ak&fmt=18

HOLY SHIT WHAT HAPPENED HERE
Yeah OP, her theme is awesome. I wonder what he's going to do for the stage 6 boss.

I prefer Phantom Ensemble and 3rd Eye

>>2361975
Oh please, she's just another animal girl. Come back once ZUN actually learns how to design. Hey look, it's a girl with fins on her head. YAY, it's a fish girl!

I can wait til ZUN creates a cockroach girl. The day my fellow /jp/ers start fapping to bugs is the day I leave 4chan for good.

I can second this. Though all three UFO boss themes are very good.

>>2362053

>I can wait til ZUN creates a cockroach girl.

Nagisa? In my Touhou?

Tewi told me that Zun is going to make my theme the greatest theme he's ever written.

>>2362053

You forget about Wriggle already?

>>2362086
Great, now I'm leaving /jp/ for good. Bye.

>>2362053
>Come back once ZUN actually learns how to design.
Zun is an awsome designer. He only sucks at drawing.
But still... sometimes I wonder, that would it really be better if Zun didn't suck?

>>2362053
>The day my fellow /jp/ers start fapping to bugs is the day I leave 4chan for good.

>>2362111
I've been fapping to Wriggle Nightbug since /jp/ started. How's that for a Shyamalan twist.

too cute... ರ_ರ

>>2362122
Bug on my dick!!!!! GET IT OFF GET IT OFF!!!!

Wriggle is the moest.

Well, second moest. The moest is, of course, Shanghai.

>>2361975

It's already being remixed. Fast mixers are fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjKCjBd4Kw&fmt=18

>>2362154
Shanghai is indeed the best.

>>2362117
He's a good programmer and composer, but when it comes to character design he just randomly tosses some generic traits together and creates the character. Let's add blond hair. Oh, uh what am I missing. Oh, now I remember "bunny ears!" What else am I forgetting... oh that's right, a dress. No character design is complete without a frilly dress!

And to make matters worst he designs the characters before designing their personalities. Once he gets finished with his lackluster designs he thinks of a generic personality to give to them. The character personalities always fits into two categories. "Serious business" or "mischievous youth."

>>2362180
its a shooting game, not an rpg

>>2362159
Wait what? Aquaelie?
Is this something they released on their site and not an album then?

>>2362180
If you really care that much about character designs and personalities, you're playing the wrong fucking genre of games, bro. Assuming you actually play them.

>>2362191
Look at the description.

>>2362180
You can call Zun's character designs bad if you want, but they certainly aren't generic. If anything they're too outlandish.

As for personalities, Touhou is an STG where each character only gets a few lines. Not only is it hard to establish a unique personality in that situation, it's also of little importance.

I don't know what it is with ZUN and his Stage 1 boss themes lately... Rumia had the best one for a long time, then finally Yamame's beat it (at the time the SA demo came out, I recall that a lot of people thought that was the only good track). Now Nazrin has another great Stage 1 boss theme

Nazrin's theme is mediocre tier.

>>2362243
I like MoF Stage 1 boss theme better, truth to be told. UFO music so far was unimpressive to me too, especially when compared to first three stages of SA and MoF. Nazrin and Kogasa's themes sound kind of similar.

>>2362234
They are the video game equivalent to Gundam SEED. Copypasted faces are copypasted. And there's nothing unique about bunny girls, vampires, mikos, and cat girls. Just because ZUN puts badly drawn European dresses on them does not make them unique.

>>2362262
I liked Wriggle's theme better than Rumia's and that Aki sister's.

>>2362164
>>2361975

I now want to see a Touhou version of The Nutcracker.

Preliminary casting:
Nutcracker- Shanghai
Clara- Alice
Herr Drosselmeyer- Shinki
Mouse King- Nazrin

Instead of Arab, Chinese, and Russian dances, there could be Youkai Mountain, SDM, and Underground dances. It just gets better and better the more I think about it.

>>2362270
The topic is character DESIGN not character concept. copypasta face? Welcome to (almost) every anime/vn/manga ever.

>>2362262
So far I like UFO's music better than SA's but not as much as MoF's.

>>2362270
>Just because ZUN puts badly drawn European dresses on them does not make them unique.
Actually it does.

>>2362270
Spider lolis and bucket lolis, also very common, right?

>>2362280
Actually even most concepts he uses for his characters aren't particularly common.

>>2362308
I know. I actually play the games.

>>2362280
Character design is about two things: concept and art.

The characters may seem unique to the untrained eye but most of their designs are based on cliches. Though, I must admit ZUN has started to break away from said cliches with the recent Touhous. (After all, it's not everyday you get to see a nun with brofist...). Reimu for example: Traditional miko clothes with armpits. Marisa for example: Typical witch clothes. Most of the clothes are simple modifications to traditional Asian or European clothes. Chen, China, and Yukari's clothes for example are very generic.

>>2362274
Not before I get a version of Journey to the West with Suika as Sun Wukong, Kaguya as Tripitaka, Yuyuko as Pigsy and Nitori as Sandy.

UFO's music is rather disappointing. Only tunes I've liked so far are Kogasa's theme and the stage 3 theme. And even those aren't as good as the music of the first three stages in most the other games.

>>2362280
>>2362295
>>2362296
holy shit

wake the fuck up, you ZUN cocksucking faggots needs a good dose of reality

>>2362330
>traditional miko clothes
lol

>>2362347
Oh sorry, I didn't notice your opinion is supreme and everyone must agree with it.

>>2362347
Have fun arguing about something subjective.

>>2362358
Oh I'm sorry, did I hurt you feelings? Why not go and pray to ZUN to heal that wound.

Being a fan is one thing, disregarding everything just make you another Halo-tier fratfaggot.

>>2362321
True bro. Dunno what happened, but today I managed to 1cc EoSD Normal with MarisaB and ReimaA/B (by the skin of my teeth), when previously I could only 1cc with MarisaA. I also had my first capture of Red Magic when I ran out of lives and used my last bomb to survive Scarlet Shoot.

And to try and steer this thread back, Naxrin's theme is growing on me like mold grows on cheese.

>>2362330
There are like 100 characters in Touhou and you are selecting the few with fairly stereotyped costumes as your sole argument that Touhou characters are all generic, is this correct? I agree about Chen and China and Marisa and Reimu (though none of them are bad characters because of it), but I don't think any of Yukari's outfits are generic at all, her IN+ outfit is particularly striking. I want to see someone argue that Suika, Orin, Mokou, Keine, Shikieiki, Nitori, Kanako, Kogasa, and countless others are generic.

Keep telling yourself that Sakuya is not just another generic maid.

Maids, Cat girls, bunny girls, mikos, tengus, witches, vampires, nurses, fairies....

You don't get more generic then this. And you cant use the "it's a game about Japanese mythology" excuse. Last time I checked the blond hair (blue eyed) Alice and Remilia have nothing to do with Japanese mythology.

>>2362380
Fascinating.

>>2362371
If you knew anything about 15-18th century European clothing then you'd say it's fairly generic, Victorian styled clothing aren't exactly exotic.

>>2362380
Your arguments are selective and apply to the 10 characters you named out of 100 characters. Also Remilia isn't blonde haired, and Touhou isn't all about Japanese mythology, it's a conglomeration of various mythologies and original material. There are very few characters in Touhou worthy of any mention among characters from novels, movies, games, or anything that are more fleshed out, but I think ZUN does an excellent job of creating personalities and backstories for characters when he has a hundred of them to keep track of and more to invent all the time. Quality suffers of course because of quantity, but ZUN still does what he does well.

>>2362380

>>2362402
Which is the ability to create a good, fun game, not character design or indepth (important) story writing.

A vampire holding Odin's spear? Fucking retarded, since vampires dont even exist in Nordic mythos.

>>2362330

Holy shit, characters wearing role-appropriate clothing? You're right, that's terrible, Reimu should be weaing American Football gear and Sakuya should be dressed up a a lawyer.

>>2362347
I never said his character designs are good. I don't have much of an opinion on them because I don't play STGs for character design. I just don't think they're generic. That term is so overused these days that it's hard to take anyone seriously when all they do is repeat it over and over. You can call anything generic because everything is at least somewhat derivative of something that came before it.

>>2362412
>Remilia is such a bad character this makes me so angry
That's great, I don't really like Remilia anyway. How does this make Touhou bad

>>2362412

You should look up the word "conglomeration", then recosider your post.

>>2362428
Yeah I realized that when I sent it. It happens I guess. You know what I meant.

>>2362415
Fund it.

>>2362402
>but I think the Touhou community does an excellent job of creating personalities and backstories for characters when they have a hundred of them to keep track of and more to invent all the time.
Fixed. ZUN doesn't give the characters personalities. All he does is creates ambiguous templates. Most of the time the characters don't even talk. "Cirno is a baka." Wow, you're such a legendary character designer ZUN. Oh how I love to suck your cock. We're not worthy.

Some times the fan personalities conflict with ZUN's templates. The fan Alice and the ZUN Alice are two very different things.

>>2362444
>>Touhou community does an excellent job of creating personalities and backstories for characters
haha oh wow

>>2362415
With that type of logic this useless bunny girl should be wearing moon clothes. Oh wait! She's not.

>>2362415

OH GOD, FOOTBALL GEAR REIMU WILL BE WAITING FOR ME IN MY NIGHTMARES.

>>2362444
>Touhou community does an excellent job of creating personalities and backstories for characters

I fucking raged, good work I guess.

>>2362428
Think about what's involved in writing a story based on existing material, you don't simply twist turn everything out of context to suit whatever objective you're writing about.

If there is a sequel to Alice's Adventure in Wonderland it won't be set in modern America with Alice a transsexual lawyer, the sequel of Sherlock Holmes won't be that Holmes is somehow an Alien Lord invading Jupiter for example because that's just shitty writing.

>>2362444
Alice was always paired with Reimu until IN.

>>2362444
>The fan Alice and the ZUN Alice are two very different things.

That's completely true and true of a number of other characters too, but I don't think ZUN creates "ambiguous templates". When you actually play all the games in a language you read and read the official manga and books and other materials I think you find the characters that matter really do have personalities and backstories, at least enough that it's impressive when there are so many characters. I like Touhou a lot, but I think it's silly to argue that every frilly dressed girl ZUN ever draws is a fully fleshed-out and interesting character automatically though. That isn't the point or the appeal.

>>2362470
Lewis Carroll already did the sequel to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, it's "Through the Looking-Glass". Nitpick man, AWAY!

>>2362470
Nice False Analogy, bro.

>>2362470
I'm not even sure what you're talking about but if you're suggesting Alice is a bad character because she's supposed to Lewis Carroll's Alice that's ridiculous. Her name and possibly clothing are inspired by that Alice. Your argument is like saying Harry Potter is automatically bad because all wizards should have beards and starry hats and live in the middle ages, if you violate those then you're a "shitty writer".

>>2362470
>If there is a sequel to Alice's Adventure in Wonderland it won't be set in modern America with Alice a transsexual lawyer

It's like the DBZ movie

I just went back to the top of this thread, and concluded that >>2362053 is a master troll. Good job turning an apparently harmless thread about Nazrin's theme into a retarded shitstorm.

>>2362485

No, Harry Potter is bad because it -is- bad.

The fact that it's not period-style is the least of the problems with that shitty series.

>>2362506
GJ

>>2362473
Which English version are you playing? All of the ones I've played, the characters only said a few ambiguous lines, then started shooting at me for no apparent reason. Go and re-read Alice's words and tell me she had a personality. Cirno didn't even talk in most of the games (at least to my knowledge).

ZUN is many things, but good character designer he is not. You realize that any given book on Japanese mythology does a much better job at creating templates than ZUN. All he really does is read said books and copypaste the first two lines of their description. Onis are supposed to misbehave? Hmm, let me go and make an Oni. Oh, but this Oni shall have a twist. It's a female Oni!

Are you honestly saying ZUN is the person that gave the Touhou's the personalities that we've come to love? I highly doubt it. Go and take a screencap of this marvelous presentation of character development and backstory. I can use a good laugh. I'm waiting.

>>2362511
Meh. I wasn't saying it was good.

>>2362514

>>2362470

But we're not talking about sequels. Touhou doesn't exactly attempt to bill itself as "Japanese Mythology II: REVENGE OF THE KAPPA", does it? It's a setting created based on bits and pieces borrowed from numerous other setting, changed to fit in with it overall.

tl;dr: Cool strawman, bro.

>>2362514
>go re-read Alice's words
Which words? She's had hundreds of lines between all canon material. Cirno _isn't_ really a developed character (Alice isn't spectacular either). Fascinating and deep characters isn't the intended appeal of Touhou, and ZUN _is_ better at making music and bullet patterns and sprites and whatever else than he is at making DEEP characters, but it's worth noting that no one makes a series of games and manga and books with 100 lolis as nearly the entire cast, and makes them all detailed and realistic and interesting characters, and anyone expecting that from a series like that is just dumb.

>>2362522
Why is Touhou called the Eastern project when it copypaste mythology from the west.

>>2362514
ZUN's designs are good. Prove me wrong.

>>2362514
A Japanese person doesn't really have to go look up what oni are like anymore than you or I would have to look up what a werewolf is like. Just throwing that out there.

I liked Reimu more when she was called Pocky.

>>2362528
Hahaha, you actually used the "it's popular" card.

The only reason why hundreds of artist draw Touhou is because they feel the need to fix his shitty art. If ZUN managed to draw the Touhou's properly, the fanart would disappear.

>>2362567
ZUN's art is already god tier, nothing to fix.

>>2362570
This.

>>2362567
I don't think I.... used any sort of "popular card", but yeah ZUN's character art is often pretty awful, and the fanbase does glorify and draw ZUN's characters much better than he does 90% of the time. He's not bad at all at drawing and sketching really, it's his coloring that fucks all the portraits up most of the time. Anyway I'm happy to see the character art has improved immensely in UFO anyway.

>>2362567
Then why touhou and not the other millions of doujin games with shitty art?

It's a bandwagon, people draw it because other people drew it and created an audience. But there's no reason to consider that a bad thing.

>>2362567
Your argument is flawed because plenty of good art exists for Tenshi and Suika.

>>2362567
Wow, ZUN's artstyle never fails to disappoint me. Each time I look at it, it manages to get worse. Just look at that picture, it's like beauty and the beast.

>>2362506
>and concluded that >>2362053 is a master troll.
You have good eyes child. The sage in your post says it all. And thus I've succeeded at winning another debate. With all honesty I never imagined it would turn out this way. To my surprise a few Anons joined me, consequently I lost control of the shitstorm. And want to know the irony of it all, I actually misread the op's post. I thought he was talking about the character design, not the song. So in a sense you can say I started this shitstorm with the wrong motive. Well, it looks like this thread is dead, um... sorry?

>>2362608
Yes, you win at having a shit sense of taste. Good job.

>>2362598
Not really, in comparison to ZUN, most doujin games look good. ZUN's art is not just bad, it's creepy.

>>2362590

I think Sanae is doing some strange dance in TH12. I still can't figure it out.

But I love Japanese ZUN's stuff. He may not be super skilled, but he's decent/creative enough at character design and clothing and such.

>>2362608

>>2362629
I think she's just really excited to be a playable character so she's holding her arms like that, all excited-y.

>>2362628
I think you mean most other doujin games *that get posted on /jp/* don't have bad art.

Point stands eitherway, ZUN's art may have helped at the beginning, but the large, 'safe' following is why there is so much fanwork based on touhou today.

Hold on guys I got it.

Touhou is DEEP.

>>2362649
>'safe' following

What? The second that ZUN learns how to draw the fanart will disappear. And the second the Touhou characters stop being templates i.e. an official Touhou animu gets produced, the Touhou community will die. It's the equivalent of Microsoft buying and marketing the Linux distros - do you really think there would still be a Linux community. I can only imagine what would happen if they bought the GNU.

Cool story, Bros.

Let's face it, Touhou is a package originally designed to fit exactly what it's designer wanted from a STG and it happened that his ideal appealed to others.

I agree that there are several fairly generic character designs within Touhou, Marisa and Sakuya are perfect examples of this. However I feel it would be incorrect to completely dismiss this characters as unoriginal. Sure the look and concept are fairly common, but like with many other popular series the characters aren't limited to those features alone and are more then that.

Sticking to purely canon material, Marisa is a thieving witch that takes other peoples moves with a impulsive personality. She more or less does whatever she wants and likes it flashy and overpowering.

Sakuya is pretty cliché, it's impossible to avoid with maids (having been so explored in Japanese fiction) so her individuality comes from her power set and somewhat literal sense of obeying orders. She is special because she's the only human working in a mansion of monsters and yet comes across as one of the most frightening characters living there.

Of course, too many people dismiss characters from many series on the grounds they have been kind of done before, but the individuality comes in the details and environment. Hell, those two are just some of the more generic characters in Touhou, plenty others are downright unique in style and approach. Not saying he's got great character design, but that they have clearly become popular characters through a package of distinct looks, themes, environments and powers that all fit to make a character people love to imagine.

>>2362679
>The second that ZUN learns how to draw the fanart will disappear.
Then how come there are lots of anime, VNs and other stuff that still have a huge amount of fanart even though they're pretty nicely drawn?
ZUN's art in UFO was way better than his usual. However, take a look at pixiv, one of the boorus or anywhere else. The amount of fanart never stops growing.

>>2362684 doesn't know that the argument ended 7 minutes ago.

>>2362679
By that logic if the music is good, there wouldn't be anyone arranging it. Which leads to one of two possibilites:
-The music isn't good.
-You're wrong.

The first possibility seems very unlikely as it is quite uncommon for people to arrange music that they don't enjoy. It does happen on occasion, but not on the scale of Touhou (~100+ albums released at both last C75 and last Reitaisei 6).

>>2362684

and say what you like about ZUNs art, we all like to laugh and point out how terrible he is, but it doesn't mean he has failed to show us what each character looks like. Artists still take what he designs and make them look really quite stunning at times, so while ZUN himself doesn't draw a great picture, people can still make out what his guys look like and work with it.

>>2362693

>>2362684 doesn't care.

>>2362700
I love ZUN's art. (inb4 itrollu)

>>2362691
Obviously it wont disappear completely. Everything has fanart - even Naruto. ZUN's art improves in some sequels and gets worse in other sequels. And as far as I know Th12's art was kinda mediocre.

Are there really doujin games out there with worse art than ZUN's? I'd like to see some of these games. Set me a link to them. And here I was thinking nothing could be worse than ZUN....

>>2362679
So, there's no fanart of anime? Or doujin manga of published manga? Really, you're going to stick with that?

>>2362679
Again, you're still running on the assumption people are drawing his characters just because ZUN can't. Which is incorrect for several reasons, some of which raised in this thread and are yet to be disproven.

But even if the above were true (but again lets be clear that it isn't), ZUN isn't going to suddenly draw amazing characters, fans will continue to ignore the canon stuff they don't like, and he knows his community is built on fanon.

>>2362698
>-The music isn't good.
Bingo. His music is not very good, at least in comparison to other games. By your logic: Good music demands remixes. Well, with that logic there should be millions of Castlevania and Metroid remixes. But clearly there's not. Want to know why? It's because your amateur composer groups couldn't go toe to toe with Symphony of the Night's composer. And you and me both know it, hence the reason why they don't even bother trying.

Notice how the shittier the show's animation the more fanart it has. Lucky Star and Naruto have more fanart than Haruhi and Death Note because they have a much simpler art style.

Also, if ZUN ever managed to tell a good story, half of the Touhou doujins would disappear. Of all the video games, Metal Gear has the least fanfiction. Hmm, I wonder why? Could it be because Kojima did such a good job at portraying Snake's character, that people are discouraged from adding additional details to him. Imagine someone trying to create fanfiction for Metal Gear. It just cant happen.

>>2362783
sup, robotechguy

>>2362783
Cool reading comprehension, bro. But let me help you out, my logic was: Good music gets arranged more than bad music. There's absolutely no demand for good music to get a lot of arranges, just that is more likely to be arranged than bad music. But, by saying the music's bad you've proven their you're either a troll or quite the poor judge of quality, so it's kind of moot.

>>2362783
>ZUN's music is not very good

HAW

HAW

HAWWWWWWWWWW

All you faggots complaining about mikos not being unique forgot that ZUN made Reimu a miko because there were no mikos in vidyas back when he was in college.

>>2362783

>Also, if ZUN ever managed to tell a good story, half of the Touhou doujins would disappear. Of all the video games, Metal Gear has the least fanfiction. Hmm, I wonder why? Could it be because Kojima did such a good job at portraying Snake's character, that people are discouraged from adding additional details to him. Imagine someone trying to create fanfiction for Metal Gear. It just cant happen.

Hahaha, OH WOW. Nice troll there Bro. Almost had a point up until this one.

>>2362794
Get back to reading comprehension 101. I said:
>His music is not very good, at least *in comparison to other games.

But anything would sound good if you've heard thousands of remixes of it. I can't name one retro game that had worse music than Touhou. Megaman, Sonic, Metroid, Zelda, StarFox, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and I could just keep going on. But as I suspected most Touhoufags are casual gamers that grew up on weeaboo PC games. By the time I played Touhou I had already played thousands of games with superior art, music, and storytelling. And yeah you could say they were professional games, but sue me. There's nothing I can do about that....

>>2362787
The robotechguy killed himself.

>>2362799

There were tons of them. What's wrong with you.

>>2362834

Come on now, that's like you're saying ZUN is the King of GETs of the vidya game world.

Don't even go there.

>>2362783
>there should be millions of Castlevania and Metroid remixes. But clearly there's not.

>>2362834
Don't you ever get tired of saying that?

>>2362835
He's a casual.

>>2362841
I'm failing to understand your KoGs analogy.

I like how people in this thread think anything with a tun is "good music." ZUN's music, when compared with others, is incredibly mediocre. Like all artists, ZUN has a couple of listenable songs, but most of them are crap.

>>2362783
>It's because your amateur composer groups couldn't go toe to toe with Symphony of the Night's composer. And you and me both know it, hence the reason why they don't even bother trying.
That explains why Konami constantly remixes the songs themselves. WHAT A TWEEST!

>>2362835
Only Pocky comes to my mind

>>2362862

KoG tries to be a meme on /a/ but fail.

ZUN tries to make a game that is good but fails in all aspects when compared to other games of the same genre.

>>2362869

Sup CurryButt

>>2362834
The only ones that fit are Megaman and Castlevania, with a very few select pieces from a couple of Zelda games. Even then, there's only a few Megaman/Castlevania pieces that are equal to most of ZUN's work.

I grew up on the NES and up, like a real man.

>>2362834
>weeaboo PC games

>>2362834
Last sentence of my post.

>>2362875

As did I, but remember that ZUN's games came AFTER the video game industry was going smoothly along with 3D.

WHERE'S MY 3D TOUHOU GAME ZUN

>>2362881

O Flash
O Java
O Game Maker
O C++
ↂ 2D PC
O 2D Gaming
O 3D PC
O 3D Gaming
O 4D Arcade

ZUN's still ahead of a lot of things...

>>2362881
>AFTER the video game industry was going smoothly along with 3D.

That's one of the reasons why Touhou succeeded.

>>2362834

>I can't name one retro game that had worse music than Touhou. Megaman, Sonic, Metroid, Zelda, StarFox, Castlevania, Final Fantasy...

What I love about this comment is that it basically puts the Touhou series, a doujin game made by ONE MAN and sold in conventions at the same level as big name retro classics that went down in history.

Or in other words, Touhou doesn't live up to THE BEST GAMES IN OUR CHILDHOOD. Thanks Captain obvious, would never have got that.

I admit faggots who claim it's got the BEST MUSIC EVER are clearly new to the genre, but to dismiss his work as un-noteworthy or even just bad is as stupid. It's clearly popular, perhaps not as popular as big name theme music but still popular none the less.

>>2362893
What kind of list is that.

>>2362799
1986 Kiki Kaikai
1993 Sengoku Ace
1996 Sengoku Blade
1996 Highly Responsive to Prayers

s/no mikos/not as many mikos as some drunken armpit fetishist pedo thought there should be/

>>2362881
>The Highly Responsive to Prayers
>Full: November 1996
Well, yeah, maybe.
Still, I applaud ZUN for making games the way he likes making them - 2D shmups.
If you want your 3D Touhou, there's a game involving graffiti in where Reimu is a playable character. And it is 3D.

>>2362903
Not that guy but so? Most of those games had one songwriter. Anyway, I still enjoy ZUN's songwriting more than a lot of those on the list, not to say I don't enjoy them.

fucking hell, robotechguy (and/or copycats) kept himself hidden for too long, now all the newfags are falling for his same old trolling, even after the first reply called him out.

Of course the thread had already become shit ages ago, so it hardly matters anymore

>>2362913

I wouldn't mind 2D if there were at least some good graphics. Everything in ZUN's games feels completely generic. I mean, you have a ton of room to draw the characters even if they're small while versing them, why the HELL do they still suffer from Pixel Syndrome?

>>2362853

Personally, I like Touhou myself. I just don't like the ZUN whorshiping that goes on in /jp/. Don't worry /jp/. I'm currently working on a project to put an end to your ZUN ciclejerking. Let's be honest, the entire Touhou project was nothing more than a tiny-veiled excuse for capitalism. Touhou != GNU. The communities don't learn from each other, nor do they share their data/source codes. The Touhou project was nothing more than a dick waving contest. And I've been told in the past that I'm quite good at dick waving contest.

Mark my words, one of these days a Touhou project will be unleashed that puts an end to the Touhou community. ZUN is such an amateur that he was never able to ascend to the third dimension.

>>2362913
3d custom girl?

>>2362922
I have to admit I argue with these trolls partly to see what they'll come up with next.

>>2362925
Good graphics = good games! Let's all play Halo.
I wonder why do I like feeding trolls.

>>2362939
But Halo doesn't have good graphics.

>>2362927
>Touhou != GNU

This is a good thing

>>2362875
Glad my opinion is in the majority. If you think ZUN's music is better than starfox, final fantasy, or megaman then you have questionable taste in music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn71hIsm0U8
>2,724,797 views

>>2362943
i have good graphics

>>2362951
Ah, now comes the ol' Appeal to popularity. Come on man, you can do better than that.

>>2362925
Bullet patterns are graphics.

>>2362951
Then again, that's FFVII. I don't know if it's bad or not, as I have never played it (not sure why) but I know it has a pretty huge fanbase.

>>2362927

It's not really trolling if you keep arguing your point all the way along. Even if you think you are simply playing 'pretend'. That said, trolling these days is basically arguing a stupid point on purpose more often then not serving a straw man for people to laugh at.

Keep hurf durfing there, soldier. At least /v/ knows when to let others argue over some short dumb point.

>>2362925
What's Pixel Syndrome?

You know what, OP? Nazrin's theme IS pretty good.

>>2362927
3D is good for space crafts and mechas, but not for humanoids.

>>2362962

It's similar to QUALITY syndrome, only with pixels. The smaller a drawing, the more pixelated it looks.

>>2362951
>Niche Japanese composer
>Most overrated song from the most overrated game to exist

..Boy, it sure is smart to go on views for this, isn't it?

Shit, the single best piece of music then is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ25-glGRzI

>>2362951
>My opinion is fact because I am a smug douchebag who thinks the world revolves around me.

You should take it easy with the Internet, bro.

>>2362969
That was low man, even for troll standards. I'd rather have been Rickrolled.

The games are really fun, who cares about anything else?

>>2362977
what is it?
"This video isn't avaiable in your country"

>>2362977
The guy used the number of views to prove that FF7 was infinitely better than Touhou music.

I merely used number of views to prove the same.

>>2362969
It's a shame we're talking about the video game industry's music. And hey, I wasn't the person that said ZUN's a better composer than Nobuo Uematsu.

>>2362698
>scale of Touhou (~100+ albums released at both last C75 and last Reitaisei 6).
Hurf derf, popularity = good.

>>2362978

Yeah, spending hours memorizing a bullet pattern sure is a blast. -_-

>>2362967
Shikigami no Shiro's lego people would like to register their displeasure.

>>2362978
This.

>>2362982
Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend, according to the name.

>>2362986

>TH3SUX

fix'd that for you bro, now you are thinking like /v/.

>>2362985
>Hurf derf, popularity = good.

That's why you used that video and cited its view count, right?

>>2361975

Yeah OP, this is one of my favourite theme.

ZUN made Touhou
KoG made Touhou spin-off
Now I hate ZUN

You know guys, Touhou isn't as popular as you stupid weeaboos make it out to be. For every piece of Touhou artwork, there's 100 more of Sonic, Halo, Obama, etc.

ZUN's music is too repetitive for me. And what type of virtual instruments is he using? Someone needs to tell ZUN about Cubase.

>>2362834
>I can't name one retro game that had worse music than Touhou.

>Sonic, Star Fox, Zelda

Are you fucking serious?

>>2362993
wow sounds pretty shitty

>>2362985
A person actually going and being driven to create something is a little different from a hit on a youtube video.

>>2363013
>fanart of Halo

I heard that he kills aliens or something, and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>2363013
>Larger than the entirety of Gundam
>Not as popular as you make it out to be

One years worth of Touhou related content is more than every single piece dedicated to Sonic, Halo, and Obama combined.

>>2363028

You obviously don't leave your room much kid.

>>2363033
I've asked this before, is there a zelda convention? Or a Halo convention?

>>2363033
You obviously don't know much about numbers, bro.

As should be expected of fans, blind and oblivious.

>>2363013
>For every piece of Touhou artwork, there's 100 more of Sonic, Halo, Obama
>Sonic, Halo
You say that like it's a bad thing.

Touhou is the Ron Paul of the video gaming industry.

His games are logical, but nobody wants to play the games of a madman. However, like Ron Paul, he has a small, yet highly vocal, legion of terror-inducing followers that act like their movement (or in ZUN's case, game) will end up having a huge impact in the world.

I have bad news for you...

>>2363033
You obviously leave your room a lot kid.
http://zip.4chan.org/v/imgboard.html
^go back here^

>>2363042
Are you suggesting ron paul is logical?

>>2363042

Touhou and his lolis

>>2363045

ZUN is like Ron Paul

Make of that what you will

>>2363042
Some people don't really understand this whole 'Larger than anything else that exists in Japan' thing.

Not to say I believe it'll do jack shit to the world, but even something minor as fuck like Yukkuri changed 2ch.

ITT:

>>2363037
Nevermind zelda, has there ever been INTERNATION COMPETITIVE touhou? No, Halo's got you beat there. People get paid playing Halo, nobody pays people to play touhou

What now? You're going to pull out the numbers? You're going to pull out the popularity = good bullshit?

don't diss on halo

I like how I hear about Touhou on a lot of video game networks and hear it discussed in gaming centers in Japan.

Oh wait...

>>2363028
I don't know, there's a great deal of Sonic fanart.

>>2363053
>INTERNATION COMPETITIVE touhou?

SWR, IaMP, PoFV

Yes. International competitions.

>>2363053

I like how Halo has nothing to do with angels.

>>You know guys, Touhou isn't as popular as you stupid weeaboos make it out to be. For every piece of Touhou artwork, there's 100 more of Sonic, Halo, Obama, etc.

266,940 Touhou images (roughly) on Pixiv alone. that doesn't count the hundreds of doujins, thousands of music remixes. and probably hundreds of thousands of fan-art that doesn't appear on Pixiv.

>>2363053
You're the one that started using numbers. You can't turn around and say "No, you can't use numbers." Halo's a pretty bad game anyway, broski.

>>2363013
Why the fuck did you just lump a politician with Sonic and Halo?

>>2363053
Halo competitions are like miniature golf tournaments compared to chess and poker.

>>2363059
>I pull bullshit out of my ass

wheres the international league for touhou, wheres the sponsors, wheres the professional players that get paid to get high-scores, wheres the international ranking

oh wait...

All the millions of flash games and Sonic hacks should tell you fags the difference. With Touhou, you can differentiate between the makers of the games or flashes. Why? BECAUSE THERE'S HARDLY ANY FAN-MADE FLASHES AND GAMES.

I agree that Touhou beats Sonic by Miles, but don't kid yourselves - Touhou is not 1% as wide-spread as Sonic.

>>2363070
>Sonic by Miles
oh u

>>2363070

>I agree that Touhou beats Sonic by Miles
>Sonic by Miles
>Miles

don't think it's that great

3rd eye still da best

>>2363053
> People get paid playing Halo
Aside from testplayers, that's fucking stupid.

>don't diss on halo
Best be trollin', faggot.

>>2362053
>190 posts and 29 image replies omitted.
Oh god, what the hell have I done?

I haven't posted on /jp/ in weeks and my first post starts a 200+ reply shitstorm. Welcome to /jp/, leave your criticism of ZUN at the door. By the time I got finished educating >>2362608 a few Touhoufags 10 more appeared out of no where.

I have better things to do with my time, so I'm leaving. Don't count this as a victory to your dogmatic theology, I just was taken off guard by your blatant stupidity.

>>2363062

Sonic sucks shit anyways

>>2363070
Isn't it more like 'The masses of Amerikkkan 12 year olds haven't gotten their hands on Towhoe'?

Towhoe doesn't breed furries, so of course it's not gonna have a bunch of shittily done furfag games.

>>2363076
enjoy being a fat neckbeard

halo tournaments we game for real cash, not some shitty dodging game raiden arcane hiscore

>>2363070
>Touhou is not 1% as wide-spread as Sonic.

Makes you think, does anybody really envy that?

>>2363078
Too bad you don't have any say in the matter.

>>2363079
>>266,940 Touhou images (roughly) on Pixiv alone.
>>the hundreds of doujins, thousands of music remixes. and probably hundreds of thousands of fan-art that doesn't appear on Pixiv.

>>2363062
東方
検索結果：273124件

>>2363088
>Halfaggot calling someone else a neckbeard

Oh the irony. Troll or not, I bet you don't even have a real job.

>>2363028
>One years worth of Touhou related content is more than every single piece dedicated to Sonic, Halo, and Obama combined.
Oh really?

http://www.google.com/trends?q=obama%2C+touhou

I like Japanese ZUN and Touhou, but his music isn't better than the pros, and his games aren't better than the pro STGs that he was inspired by.

If you were to walk up to him and say "Sup ZUN I think Imperishable Night is better than XEXEX/Darius Gaiden/CAVE's shooters/etc." he would just spit out his beer and laugh at you. If you were to say his amatuer music was better than the great pro game music composers, then he'd really start to think that you were insane.

And there is a (Japanese) fan remix for every game in existence. Try looking around more. If you need help finding doujin remixes then I'll help you.

>>2363088
Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl also have tournaments where people get money, and guess what! They're one of the worst groups of people to talk with online.
I believe Halo isn't different from that.

>>2363099
by god are you doing it wrong

>>2363065
Because Obama's current goal is to rush to the right while avoiding nasty pitfalls.

>>2363079
>>2363099
No matter where you look, Touhou is not that popular in comparison to other things. Touhoubros are in denial.

>>2363053

By that logic, Starcraft is infinitely superior to Halo.
Which it is.

All of you are wrong.

>>2363110
Okay then, do it properly.

>>2363107
That's only because he's just plain humble. He's like Tarantino without the arrogance.

>>2363099
Boy, I didn't know Obama had millions of pieces of artwork, manga, music, and so on and so forth.

Boy, I'm sure glad to be educ-

Wait.

This is search volume! And it's not even using touhou!

>>2363098
someone got hit a bit close to home?

sc > halo > this shit

>>2363153
>And it's not even using touhou!
Am I doing it right?

http://www.google.com/trends?q=obama%2C+%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9

Just give up you tool.

>>2363096
>>2363079
Sonic > Touhou

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sonic%2C+%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&s
ort=0


And to add insult to injury Touhou stands for eastern project. 'Eastern' is a very popular search term in the land of the east.

>>2363156
SC>Everything else>Halo

Just give up and admit you're too much of a faggot for thinking Halo is anything more than a mediocre FPS along with Call of Duty.

>>2363153
>Boy, I didn't know Obama had millions of pieces of artwork, manga, music, and so on and so forth.
Coming from the faggot that just said:

>>2363028 One years worth of Touhou related content is more than every single piece dedicated to Sonic, Halo, and Obama combined.

So if nobody dedicated their traffic to Obama than does that mean Obama created all of that traffic by himself. Wow, he really is the messiah. Why were you comparing Obama to Touhou in the first place, asshat. You tried and failed to wiggle your way out of your own argument once you realized that Obama's traffic dwarfed Touhou's. Just admit it and I'll be done with you.

Everything else > Star Craft > Marathon > Half Life > Halo

>>2363238
He got more searches.

In America.

Where he was elected the first black president, and first black leader of the entire world.

He still doesn't have shit for content.

Spongebob has more content than Obama, you stupid fuck.

>>2363191
Halo is not great but let's not kid ourselves. It has earned its popularity. There's a reason why it continues to outsell every other FPS on the market. And the market has had years to produce a FPS that can compete with Halo's dominance over the industry. And all have failed. Halo is the Goldeneye of our generation. It's kinda like the Super Smash Brothers of FPS. Fun and easy to get into, hard as hell to master. If I could only buy one I would sooner buy Halo 2 over Half-life 2.

Half-life, doom, Duke Nukem, Turok, and Goldeneye have dated pistol gameplay. Halo's vehicles, unique health system, and duel wielding gave it a unique spin. Just like Smash brothers.

Half-life was linear, easy, and boring. Dues Ex was gimmicky and repetitive. Call of duty was copypasta. And unreal tournament was childish. At least Halo had a semi interesting plot, unique gameplay, and good music.

>>2363398
The invention of the physic gun or portal gun doesn't come close to Halo's many accomplishments. Halo was the first FPS with duel wielding. The first FPS to allow vehicle hijacking. The first FPS to have a good soundtrack/story. It was also the first to have enemy/gun weaknesses. Each enemy in Halo is weak to a certain weapon. There, I said it. But let's just hate it because it's popular.

Madden sells because it's the best in its genre. GTA sells because it was the first of its kind. This isn't rocket science people. The only THING stopping the masses from purchasing a game is by not knowing about it. Xenogears is probably better than some Final Fantasy's but noone heard about it, hence the reason why Final Fantasy out sold it. But what excuse could be made for a a game like Half-life that had a giant reputation - years before Halo came out? Halo appeared out of nowhere and it took the title away from Goldeneye and Half-life. 8 millions fans cant be wrong.

>>2363287 Doesn't know that an audio book of Obama's speeches sold half a million copies in Japan on its first two months.
That's more sells than all of the Touhou's combined and multiplied by 10. If ZUN had that much sells he'd be rich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE50J7BJ20090120

Now you're just starting to embarrass yourself.

>>2363398
So halo is the gimmick casualfriend of fps games? I am not much into the genre so I don't know.

OP here.
I just woke up and see this.
How did it even end up like this?

>>2365032
oh, was to be directed at
>>2363415