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I've been seriously attempting Danmaku Jigoku recently, and it feels like I'm getting a little closer to capturing it (I've had 5 attempts make it halfway through the final phase in my past 100 or so attempts) but it's really intimidating to think about ever getting consistent enough to capture it in a real run.

Is there any possible advice that could make it less overwhelming, or is it just a matter of 'you're either a good enough player to dodge it or you aren't?' I'm pretty confident I can become a good enough player to capture it if I keep trying, but I also can't help but feel like I'm somehow approaching it incorrectly.

dead

Normalshitters need a place to cry about their ineptitude as well. 2 hours of pure death on the random stars of Clownpiece's first spell.

>>23129135
And you know what? I won. 4 and a half hours on one spell card and I won. Who's laughing now, cunt?
I am done with this game. Time to fap to clownpiss rape.

>>23129135
>>23129950
Congrats. It took me 539 tries to capture that spell. Even 5 years after I still remember the exact number.
Now I can time it out on Lunatic. You can do it.

Haven't played in years, but I'm looking to start playing again. Should I work my way up the difficulty levels like I was before, or should I just grow a pair and dive straight into Lunatic? I was pretty crappy last time I played, could only 1cc the games on EZ MODO, and I want to actually git gud this time.

>>23130512
Don't straight up into Lunatic, You're just gonna feel pathetic and drop the games again. Start at normal and slowly grind your way up, that way you'll get used to most spells/patterns/techs while also enjoying the great soundtrack and the characters.

Post DDC ex savedata please

>>23087749
>>23089929
Thanks for the advice last thread. I practiced Reisen for a while and finally achieved my 1CC on Normal. Dreams do come true!

>>23133168
Nice work! What's your next conquest?!

>>23133248
PCB!

>>23124168
Devil's Recital timeout phase.
Occasional attempts at Nue's final's timeout phase but I still can't even get a third of the way through it yet.
>>23125058
First of all if you're not using any of the practice patches to skip straight to P3, you should, it saves you a lot of time between each attempt.
Other than that though there's not too much advice to give I don't think because it really comes down to your reading ability, but definitely avoid bottomhugging too much because being able to dodge downwards is really useful.
For what it's worth I like to take my glasses off, get fairly close to the monitor and just stare at the bottom quarter of the screen while I do it.

>>23133418
Thank you! I'll try using the assist patch, I totally forgot that existed.

I feel like my method more or less makes sense, but the main issue I'm having is how fatiguing the spellcard is to practice... I can only attempt it so many times before it feels impossible to maintain the level of focus it takes to even make it halfway through the third phase.

Also, that seems really bad for your eyes!

>>23134121
>Also, that seems really bad for your eyes!
Yeah it's awful, but it does seem to give me better chances so I do it when I reaaally want to get that capture.

Will deleting score.dat fuck my game up or just delete all my score data? Will it lock the extra stage again?

Every single one of these files is exactly where they need to be. What the fuck? And soku can't find my SWR folder even though configex is set up fine. This worked until like one week ago.

>>23135603
It deletes your score and all your progress (spell card history, total playtime, etc). Yes, you'll have to unlock Extra again.

>>23135837
Stop playing Chilean games.

>>23135910
>Chilean
Not this shit again.

>>23135910
I torrented the games from nyaa.si link everyone recommends.

I'm deleting fucking everything and I'm gonna repatch it because I can't figure this shit out. I bet it's just gonna happen again anyway. Fuck my life.

>>23135959
>>23135965
Maybe start playing games for actual humans then.

For some reason I thought that capturing all Remi's lunatic spellcards would be thrilling experience.

I just accidentally hit the x key in my Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom LNB run with 6 lives going into clownpiece.

>>23141332
That's rough. One advantage of playing on gamepad is you can map Bomb to some obscure button you'd never press by accident, I remember doing that for IN because letting Border Team's deathbomb window run out is almost physically painful

>>23141332
>>23141659
You can also remove the key from the keyboard.

LNB! Thank god it didn't take much longer after that run...

My Junko was horrible (I missed to every difficult spell except Shinreikai) so it feels a little anticlimactic, but I guess I played well enough in the rest of the run that I can still feel proud of this.

LNN someday!

From https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touhou
>A python engine is under development to remove the wine dependency.
Is this still under development? Haven't heard about it before.

>>23141800
Good job anon, that's a pretty big accomplishment. How long did it take you?

>>23141800
If you had my perspective as a beginner, you'd be overflowing with pride right now. An LNB LoLK is a great accomplishment.
How many misses?

>>23142792
Thank you! My current file has 160 hours of mostly stage 3, 5 and 6 practice. The actual time is a little more though since my first file got corrupted and I had to start over. If you're asking how long in real time, I started in June 2019 and took a few pretty big breaks between then and now.

This is actually the first Touhou game I've seriously played on Lunatic so I wasn't really sure how long to expect it to take. My guess when I started was that it would take 2 years...

>>23142822
8 misses prior to stage 6 and 6 misses to Junko. I guess I feel more motivated than proud since I know I can do so much better, but it's still nice to have made it this far. Thank you!

>>23143009
LoLK is a nice game, definitely a sensible pick if you think you're going to play something for 2 years. Got any favorite section or spell? Favorite song? Will you keep playing it now, or try another game first?
Also, something I'm curious about: do you think taking big breaks helped you, in the long run?

>>23143148
That's a tough question... There are a lot of sections of the game that I love, but I think I have to pick the second half of stage 5. Something about the way the energy of the music matches the energy of the stage makes me really emotional every time I make it there in a real run. It's like the game is telling me "you've come this far, just make it a little farther!" (My favourite song is 380,000 Kilometer Voyage if it wasn't obvious)

I love Lunatic Kingdom a lot so I'd like to keep playing it, but I also feel like it might be more productive to play another game for a while then return to it with a fresh perspective to avoid getting burned out. I took a break from Lunatic to NN the Extra stage after my kuso clear and it felt like the experience made me a much better player by the time I returned to start attempting LNB, so maybe I'll do something similar now. Maybe attempt one of the easier LNNs, or UFO LNBNV?

Now that I’ve captured all their spell cards on lunatic I can say with absolute certainty that Satono and Mai are the worst bosses in all of Touhou. There is absolutely fucking nothing I enjoy them. Although maybe they’ll help me enjoy other bosses I don’t care for since they lowered my standards of what a good spellcard is from “must be fun” to “must not be behind festival”

>>23143869
But they're cute so it's okay

>>23145052
Satono is cute. Mai, not so much

>>23143869
What's the matter anon? Can't handle the double backdoor action?

This >>23130512 shitter again. I can't even make it to IN 6A on Normal, but I decided to try practicing some Last Words for shits. On average, how many attempts should it take to capture one of the easier ones, and am I retarded for trying when I'm still so bad at the game? I tried pic related about 100 times and only made it more than a couple cycles on a handful of attempts.

>>23149722
Last words are about lunatic difficulty, even the easier ones. You’re gonna get your ass kicked a lot.

>>23147215
They're only duo bossfight that feels like you're fighting two full-on bosses at once

>>23153852
What about the Tsukumos in Extra?

>>23154552
Nah they’re easy

I'm just starting to get into this series. I'm starting with touhou 6
why are my colors so muted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXUt9H9OZM
the first stage has autumn leaves, on the side, but mine are just grey

>>23158119
That person's using a retexture pack.

>>23158119
you have the original game. that video uses the fanmade retexture patch. parts of the retexture patch can look nicer, but it takes liberties and overall it's a downgrade (ex: missing animations, iconic boss poses lost, oversaturated/darkened menus). but gameplay isn't really affected (debatable impacts to visibility in places), so you can use it if you prefer it.

>>23158364
>>23158381
ah okay, I just thought i was playing some older version or something. Thanks for the calrification
This game is a lot of fun even though im pretty new to shmups and im getting slammed on normal.

>>23158416
nice jab at eosd.
you'll want to use vpatch, though, if you aren't already. greatly reduces input delay for eosd and pcb. no need to make things harder than they should be.

>>23158119
>12. 12. 2010
Thanks for reminding me that I'm already that old.

my most prized collection

>>23162094
Look up the strat where you time out the first 2 phases. Shit's unnecessarily hard if you don't do it.

>>23162094
That hurts... How far apart were these two runs?

>>23162109
Not him, but are both the 3rd and 4th phase made static by timing out the first two? I thougt one needed to time out the first three phase to get an easy fourth, but I really don't feel like timing out the third phase.

>>23162761
As far as I know, timing out the first 2 makes p1-3 static and p4 only slightly random. You can opt to time out p3 if you want to make even p4 completely static but what you get from that isn't worth flailing around in p3 for 30 seconds in my opinion.

>>23162823
Aight, thanks.

Onto stage 5, wish me luck. I can't even capture any of clownpiece's nons on hard so I'm not looking forward to trying them on lunatic

>>23124168
how do i know which spellcards i capture?

>>23163922
A capture is completing a spellcard without bombing, dying, or timing it out.

>>23162094
Is what ZUN says true is this the easiest game in the series?

Stages 1-5 were so much fun then clownpiece came and it all just became annoying, then Junko showed up and it became hell. Regardless a little over 2/3 of LoLK is fun and I'm glad I got my second lunatic clear finally.

>>23165440
Congratulations! Any plans to try to clear on Legacy?

>>23165418
To 1cc, yeah. Only LLS is probably easier

>>23166506
Thanks. Definitely one day but I’m burnt out for now.

>>23124168
no one

>>23167121
But TD is easier than LLS.

how do I cap ultramarine lunatic dream?
Does someone have a webm with a route that I can steal?

>>23171469
Nevermind lmfao I capped it right after posting this (lunatic btw)

>>23171469
What difficulty?

>>23171490
>>23171496
Oh okay. Good job.

>>23124168
her heart

>>23169240
Someone is.

Sup guys, I've posted here for advice some months ago (couldn't beat youmu), now I've completed 6 through 9 in normal mode and I'm tackling 10. I'm feeling disoriented, sometimes it looks like I'm stuck and have no options to recover from a dead end. I am familiar with streaming, I use it in the first part of stage 2 and in stage 4, but cards like momiji's or aya's (every single one of them) look like traps without exit to me. Am I missing something? I have yet to get used to the bombing system and I'm spending time practicing stage 4 but I can't seem to find the right way to go. Thanks for your patience and your help!

>>23178040
Install vpatch, watch replays/youtube videos, and bomb way more than you're bombing right now.
Give all of that a try and if you still have questions after that ask them then.

>>23178040
I'm not terribly experienced with Mountain of Faith, but from what I have played I remember Momiji and Aya feeling like they punish you really hard for playing too passively (this is kind of a trend throughout the entire game, actually...). The best way to avoid getting trapped is to push yourself up through gaps as soon as you see them!

>>23178139
good stock advice but vpatch doesn't matter for mof unless you're using it for the three-power bugfix, window scaling, or something like that.

>>23178191
The input lag difference is very noticeable for me. 11 and on is where there's no perceivable difference, at least for me.

>>23178201
interesting... might vary based on setup.
got curious and tested mof by recording with thinput at 640x480 windowed. the game registered a movement keypress either on the same frame or one frame before thinput registered it. without vpatch, frame before was slightly more common; with vpatch, same frame was slightly more common. so it seems like vpatch either didn't affect input delay or added half a frame. not conclusive since the input delay to thinput could be a variable (which could explain why one-frame taps sometimes registered and sometimes didn't), and i guess there's no telling how other oses, hardware, etc could affect things. but at least on my setup there wasn't a significant difference between vpatch and no vpatch.

>>23178191
Maybe not for you but for me MoF had so much input lag it was borderline unplayable until I installed vsync.

>>23178787
>interesting... might vary based on setup.
People have said this is the case ever since it existed. Especially with regards to the first trilogy.

>>23178787
You're thinking about this wrong. The visuals on thinput can have slight delay, and they are tied to the in-game memory; it doesn't read your keyboard. It won't measure input lag at all because if the input can be seen in game memory it's already occurring and is obviously after the lag.

(Also if you're using v1 you should use v2, some of those issues might improve.)

>>23179006
oh. well i'm retarded.
i'd only heard of eosd and pcb benefiting from vpatch, so i figured that was it and that modern oses had more or less the same issues (and i never felt the difference because i'd always used vpatch through mof for window scaling). now i know better.
sorry for the hassle.

>>23178040
> I have yet to get used to the bombing system and I'm spending time practicing stage 4
What is there to get used to? Just press X, the game is called Mountain of Bombs for a reason. How do you even have problem with MoF when you cleared first three games.

>>23178040
If you have 5/5 power, the first bomb is free, as you get max damage at 4/5 power

Trying to perfect Shimmy on lunatic and I have a few questions.
1. Are the blue kunai in her streaming spell static?
2. What's the best method of capturing her first spellcard?
3. Is there any way to cheese her opener or do I just have to get good?

I wonder what the community is like these days.

just read the thread, duh

>>23186509
Yes.
Play SakuyaA for bigger gaps between waves.
Nope. Git gud.

>>23165418
It's a mistranslation, he says easy mode is possibly the easiest in the series

anyone have a 1cc chart with 17 added?

>>23189467

Just 1CC'd PCB. It was easier (especially when death bombing), but I enjoyed it a lot. Looking forward to Imperishable Night.

>>23192487
Congratulations!
That looks like a very convincing 1CC. How long did it take?

>>23192581
Less than a month. By comparison, it took me over four months to 1CC EoSD.

>>23192487
Wait a minute, is that CRT?

>>23197448
Yes. Touhou is really fun on a big 27" set.

>>23197483
Heh I wish I had one that big, mine's only 21" and has a problem of being too green.
It's a lot worse on the camera though.

>>23193394
>four months
How did you keep motivated that long? I couldn't go past two months.

what is the easiest character to 1cc eosd in normal ? (I just began playing stg)

>>23198682
That's an awesome monitor. It could be an issue with the capacitors.
>>23201580
I've been listening to the music for over 10 years but never really played the games, so I felt compelled to make up for lost time.

>>23203390
MarisaB

>>23203420
>>>23203390
>MarisaB

Alright I'll try her. Why not Reimu A btw ? She seems easier to control (slower), has spread shot to kill all ennemies between bosses and auto aims while focusing.

>>23203431
I'd say Marisa B is easier if you're less reluctant to bomb.

>>23203435
I actually suck at using bombs

>>23203442
Now that just don't make any sense.

>>23203442
Then Reimu A is probably your best bet.

Sorry, actually I'd prefer using Reimu because I like her more -_-

What is the best between Reimu A and Reimu B

>>23203466
B is for that needle damage. A is for survival. So, in your case A.

>>23203494
My intuition was correct then~ Can anyone else confirm though ? I want to be sure.

>>23203560
The difference between shot types is negligible for a eosd normal 1cc. If you practice enough you can reasonably beat it with any of them, and if you're not there yet no shot type will magically help you beat it. An extra hour of practice will do you much more good than asking what the best shot type is at this low a level. Just pick your favorite and go.

>>23203626
I just wanted to help a friend desu, but I will tell him that, thanks

>>23129135
fucking hate this card with a passion. always have to bomb once to get past it. i know i will only fail if i give up, so i must keep going

>>23203431
>She seems easier to control (slower)
I feel the opposite, that Reimu's a little harder for EoSD than Marisa because Marisa's speed gives you more options and leniency for when you want to get the fuck away from a bad situation in a hurry, and if you need slow movement just focus shot my man.

>>23186509
This anon again, came close to dying on her final spellcard but I finally LNNed Sukuna despite my abysmal capture rates. Here's my run if anyone wants to see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9g3GZin82k&feature=youtu.be

>>23206513
>7/27, 1/22, 1/16
You played well. It looked pretty convincing, except when you got cornered on the final, but you managed that as well.
Congratulations!

Bump

I think something's wrong with me, I'm playing EoSD and three days ago I could clear normal on most playthroughs, but now I'm struggling to get past meiling.
How did I get that bad in such a short timespan? Is it corona-chan or something else?

>>23210888
I get this as well, although not nearly as extreme as you do. When I grind a game, I tend to eventually lose focus on the easy/routine parts, and my performance decreases.
Just use your bombs and don't let it get to you: the less time you spend in stage 1-3, the better.
Also, make sure to sleep well, and accept the fact that you sometimes have bad days.
Where are you dying, specifically? If you start to respect the attacks that kill you, that could also improve your performance.

>>23211175
>sleep well
I'd love to, but despite having 9h+ of sleep each night I still feel extremely tired.
>Where are you dying, specifically?
Usually, I zone out and stop moving, then I end up staring at a slow danmaku coming directly for me. I end up bombing a second after dying like a retard.

Anyone here have experience with HRTP?

>>23211289
I'm not sure we can help you if you're feeling tired.
Maybe exercise a bit before you play? Like, not serious exercise to get fit, just to get your body going.
Stepmania (with a dance pad) works wonders for me, and also has a ton of Touhou songs you can dance to.
I'm just speculating here, since I really don't know anything about your life.

>>23211328
Only did a Lunatic Makai 1cc long ago. The only thing I remember is that bombing on every stage as soon as they begin is a winning stategy and that Magan is a total cunt.

>>23211900
I went for 1cc on hell and i keep getting killed by my own weapon a lot which is frustrating

I got a PB today of a 9 miss LoLK LNB with webm related and 3 other equally silly misses. Pretty happy I finally got to single digits but kind of disappointing that I squandered such a good run.

Is there any commented replay of Touhou IN Lunatic? I'm still struggling against Marisa and Eirin, the rest of the game isn't that hard, tho

>>23211289
Drink a beer before sleeping

>>23213518
Mino has walkthroughs for every game on lunatic

>>23207239
Thanks. I’m not the best player but my strategy of spamming stage 6 until I inevitably get a perfect shimmy was foolproof.

>>23213613
Thank you, cutie~
Have a nice day <3

>>23212618
So almost down to just 5 misses? If you keep it up, you could play LoLK survival next world cup!
Also, I think everyone gets deaths like that once in a awhile. It looks pretty fun, so it's nice that you can appreciate the silliness of it.

>>23214729
Have they confirmed there will be another world cup?

>>23214799
>Have they confirmed there will be another world cup?
No. They gathered feedback for what to change if there is another world cup, but someone else would have to organize it next year, since the organizer this year (Crestedpeak9?) has military service.
I hope someone will organize it, though. It should be a bit less effort to do it a second time, since the format is known by now. There are two language barriers to cross, but I'd assume there are at least a few Japanese and Chinese players with good enough English to coordinate a schedule and setup a stream.

>>23212618
Good work! I've been trying to get below 10 myself, but I can't seem to get consistent at Doremy's nonspells no matter how hard I try.

Are there any parts in particular that you struggle with or is it pretty much just the usual parts?

>>23211289
>but despite having 9h+ of sleep each night I still feel extremely tired
That isn't normal at all though. Unless you're olympic athlete or you fap at least 10 times a day.

>>23214729
5 miss is still really far away since I performed much better than average on some of the harder parts of the game. I'll keep playing but that PB will probably hold for a long time.
>>23215087
Thank you!
The parts I struggle the most with are Ringo's second non, Doremy's first non and second last spell, the last part of stage 5, Clownpiece's first two nons, Pristine Lunacy, and PDH. It's kind of sad that I still haven't capped PDH in a full run despite the stupid amount of time I've spent on it in practice.

>>23212618
9 miss LNB is a massive achievement, congrats anon. You think you'll ever get an LNN?

>>23217766
Nah. 3-5 miss is probably my absolute limit. I might have perfected every stage portion/boss portion on their own but stringing them all together in a row on a real run is basically impossible. Hell I'm not even close to getting the easier LNNs in the series.

With each passing day I'm getting farther from ironically hating WBaWC and closer to actually hating WBaWC.

>>23219448
what's the deal?

>>23216751
Danmaku Jigoku sometimes makes me feel like my current skill level is totally inadequate for what I want to achieve in this game, so I know how you feel...

Most of those seem like very reasonable goals to work on, though! For the longest time Ringo's second nonspell, Muga-muchuu and Junsui naru Kyouki were all basically guaranteed deaths for me, but in my experience they're all very consistent once you figure out a method that feels intuitive and plays to your strengths.

Good luck!

>>23219944
Been trying to improve my nofocus survival PB and I'm falling for the sunk cost fallacy as the playtime hours pile up. It's been two weeks without even a clear now, too.

>>23220155
nofocus wbawc seems pretty hellish

>>23222387
I'm pretty proud of it and YoumuE is really fun to play, but yeah it's dumb.

I banged my head enough on PCB hard to reach Youmu without too much bumps and bruises, but her non spell attacks destroy me. Yuyuko is easy in comparison. By the end of the quarantine I'll 1CC it!

>>23226644
You can misdirect the initial giant wave of bullets in the midboss and first boss nonspells by positioning yourself above her during the dialogue. The second one is just a matter of being precise with pressing left or right once the knives are fired at you. You can stay still the rest of the time. Good luck anon!

On the topic of Youmu, I'm absolutely shit at Hell God Sword on Lunatic. I always feel like I'm getting walled when it's slow, no matter where I go. Is it a static pattern?

>>23220155
fuckfuckfuckfuck
curse lifted, complaining on /jp/ working wonders again
Not a PB though : 7 miss, 3 roar breaks. Still gotta bang my head on it for a while.

Where do you guys go for new replays? Royalflare has very few WBaWC replays, specially on hard, and replays.gensokyo site is dead

>>23225051
How do you do such light taps? Are you using switches?

>>23228789
Yeah, a keyboard with MX Brown switches.

>>23228781
youtube

Finally done. Took me 6 hours.

Anyone know where I can find Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red in Japanese as a PDF? Not interested in translations.

>>23230984
Neat! How many bombs can you get on a run in LoLK?

>>23230984
Great job anon, you have more patience than I ever will.
>>23231266
wrong thread to ask but moriyashrine probably has it

>>23231444
>wrong thread to ask but moriyashrine probably has it
Just asking here because I'm assuming people here take an interest in primary Touhou material. Moriyashrine seems to only have the translation.

Friends, i keep getting an error when trying to run EoSD's vpatch.exe. It's the mojibake of a dll Injection failing I think, but the readme says it's because there's mojibake in the path, which I've checked, and it is not the case because it still gives me the same error when I move the game folder to my external hard drive, and the game runs with the retardedly high FPS. What makes this even more confusing is it was working just fine a couple months ago, and I have no idea what happened.

>>23227364
Nice job, anon! And with Youmu Eagle.

>>23231903
I don't remember what exactly causes that issue but things that have fixed issues for me are making sure that the .exe is named properly.
If you're using an English patch the, .exe has to be named “Œ•ûg–‚½.exe or if you're using the Japanese version it has to be named 東方紅魔郷.exe.
Additionally if you're running the Jap version you need to either use "LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 wine vpatch" to launch it if you're running through wine (though this is a good idea even if you're using the English version) or in Windows run it with the Japanese locale, I don't remember how exactly to do it in 7 so look that up yourself but in 8 or 10 you need https://pooi(dot)moe/Locale-Emulator/

>>23232196
Thanks! YoumuE isn't too bad, I'd say she's the best shot for nofocus. Maybe MarisaE could compare with the forward lasers bug, but as far as I know it gets canceled by dialog and deaths.

>>23227364
venting does wonders for your mental, good luck beating your pb

>>23231266
Not a PDF, but the raw is on sadpanda.

I had the english one named that japanese name and renaming it into the mojibake you posted only gives me a different error (the "could not find the game executable" one i think).

>>23232694
fuck meant to reply to >>23232274

What's the safest method for these three fairies in stage 5?

I've been trying Ucha's method, but it feels like kind of a coin flip on where the second fairy decides to spawn whether it ends up being easier or harder than just doing it normally.

>>23232961
>Ucha's method
Is that the weird safespot in the top right corner?

>>23233017
https://youtu.be/67o6t3e5iNw?t=1226 like this.

It feels pretty comfy compared to most other methods I've tried, but it gets spooky if the second fairy spawns too far to the right so I'm wondering if there's a way people have figured out to eliminate that risk.

>>23233124
I don’t play LoLK much so I can’t tell you how consistent it is but give this method a try and see if it works better for you. https://youtu.be/V5h14kuIe3A?t=43m46s

>>23231387
I think I used 6 bombs. I could be wrong.

what's the best shottype in 16? I've heard that autumn is OP but I just don't see it? Summer has a good release but the shot is fucking trash

>>23233584
Depends on the difficulty, autumn is only op on lunatic and hard since there are enough bullets to chain releases together pretty much without ever running out, for normal I think spring would be the best since homing amulets and the massive release range

>>23233733
I see, I usually avoid homing shottypes because they tend to be horrible. I played 16 on hard once and autumn really was charging up quickly.
One more thing: how would you rate WBaWC shottypes? Just played Marisa wolf and got to the final boss on normal even though I never played the game before. Otter seems pretty broken to me

>>23233751
Otter > Wolf > Eagle for every character. Otter literally trivializes the entire game

>>23233788
so I'll just stick to wolf then, thanks a lot

>>23233584
Without cheesing with fall I usually go with Winter for the extra damage (and easiest final card)

>>23233797
sure np, good luck with your 1cc

nerds

Just got an LNB on SA. MariA is a very fun shot, people should play her more

>>23228781
Lunarcast

>>23236835
Congratulations! Where did you die the most?
Marisa A is great, but I can imagine her gimmick is not as fun when you are not allowing yourself to bomb. She has a nice Satori fight, though.

Does Reimu have a birthday?

>>23236835
SA is hard as fuck, good job anon

>>23239711
>>23237681
Thank you!
>Where did you die the most?
Utsuho, unsurprisingly. Though UNR and Peta Flare are already very hard for me with Reimu, so adding Marisa's hitbox isn't as terrible in practice.

>>23236835
Nice job! How would you say Marisa A's Satori compares to other shot types you've used?

>>23240570
She's the easiest Marisa imo. Return Inanimateness can be pretty tense, but I'd still rank it lower than Extending Arm and Princess Undine. Overall, I say she has the second easiest Satori fight (ReimuB might actually be easier, but I suck terribly at Suika's spells)

Holy shit finally cleared normal EoSD with continues after over a month. desu I don't see myself managing a 1cc, but then again a month ago I didn't imagine clearing all.

>>23241903
>I don't see myself managing a 1cc
Go for it anon
shoot for the stars

>>23241903
Nice job anon! What shot did you use?
Going for a 1CC is something I would definitely recommend: the payoff and satisfaction at the end is euphoric

>>23242076
Marisa B. I'm mostly playing with Reimu B, but only got as far as Remilia's last spell card. I'm bombing a lot, and Marisa's seems to beat bosses a lot quicker.

>>23242291
Marisa B is a good shot for a first clear, since a single bomb will get you through most spell cards.
And you can definitely 1CC now that you have unlocked stage 6 for practice. Just fight Remilia in practice a few times now and then (preferably a few evenings a week) and you'll soon have mastered it to the point where you'll be able to 1CC.

Is Marisa ever genuinely better than Reimu overall? I feel like the only reason to use Marisa is for more challenging and interesting gameplay. But I still haven't gotten good so I dunno

>>23243845
WBaWC

>>23243845
for score, usually. for survival, usually not. there are multiple exceptions in each case. survival can also go different ways when additional challenges are imposed, like nb.

>>23243845
Reimu is usually better because she's easy to play. They're pretty even in some games when it comes to standard 1ccs, like TD and SA for example, and iirc both Reimu and Marisa are the some of the best characters in PvP PoFV. WBaWC is really the only game where Marisa is hands down the best character, for both score and survival

>>23243845
>>23244012
I disagree, Mari can often be better for survival if what you have trouble with is enduring boss attacks rather than navigating stages. But of course there's no right answer, it depends on your skill and play style.

>>23244448
I don't think enough people talk about movement speed when comparing Marisa to Reimu. Precision dodging (in the modern engine, at least) is sooo much easier with Reimu's slower movement speed, not to even mention her smaller hitbox.

Anons do any of you know how to teleport in Violet Detector? I'm absolutely lost, and I can't read scribbles. If I can't teleport, I'm completely unable to beat this.

>>23244443
>SA
reimu has the easier clear with planned bombs when you fully abuse them: aya > yukari > alice > the rest. nododge's replay is almost obligatory as a citation, since it gets the point across despite it being a bit unrealistic and memey at points.
>>23244448
not sure if that applies in general, since needle shots are good against bosses, but there certainly are instances (like three ice-throwers in mof) where marisa shreds. and yeah, individual skill sets/weaknesses can skew things a bit too.
i should have chosen my words better with survival, since it's closer to even there between marisa and reimu than it is for scoring. definitely better to look at it game by game.

>>23244695
Press shift two times fast then pick the direction you want to move.

>>23245071
THANK YOU
God what a stupid gimmick...

>>23244695
The lasers lose their hitbox as soon as they start fading out, your can abuse that to clear the card without teleport if you're into that kinda thing

Ten Desires EXNN(N)! This makes three EXNNs.

It's not really worth talking about compared to Lunatic Kingdom, but it's still a really fun fight. I'm really bad at watching my sides so this was definitely a big step out of my comfort zone.

>>23248597
It's no LoLK but it's still one of the harder ones in my books. Congrats.

>>23248597
Impressive stuff. I’ve been thinking about going for an EXNN, which one do you think is the easiest?

>>23250436
Thank you! I've only done three so far (HSiFS, LoLK and now TD), but of the three I would say HSiFS is by far the easiest. The way the fight is paced makes it a very comfortable introduction to no-miss no-bomb challenges, so I'd definitely recommend it if you find the game fun!

Do you think world cup introduced some players to streaming (or at least to twitch as a platform)?. I've seen a few jap streams pop up more often since

I've started playing PCB for my first Lunatic these few days. I thought it would be smooth, since I've cleared it on Hard before, but it hasn't been smooth at all! I'm having an unusually hard time, dying frequently at Letty's last spell, Chen in general and Alice. The patters feel too fast, dense and overlapping, causing me to feel quite lost. I'm I missing something over there? Is it normal to struggle this much? I can feel the rest of the stages going more "normally", given their more advanced difficulty and the fact that the runs are on Lunatic.

>>23250916
Didn't pay much attention to others but it definitely pushed me to stream more.

>>23253851
most of PCB is really dense static patterns, just memorize the bear minimum and spam bombs and borders through the rest

>>23253851
i think it's normal to feel that way when you start on a higher difficulty. if you're missing something, it's that you're going to have to spend time in practice or watching replays to find more reliable ways through attacks (and stages). certain things that you can just wing on easier difficulties become too dangerous on lunatic, at least when you're first starting. you shouldn't be dying on letty's final, for instance, outside of the rare derp.

finally cleared pcb extra stage after practicing for months on end. how does it rank up against other extras? is it on the easy end?

>>23256493
Congratulations! I'm working on the EoSD extra myself. I thought it was going to be terrible, since I lose focus and have to take breaks after just a handful attempts, but I've noticed huge improvements by just playing about 30min each evening for a week.
Have you cleared the EoSD extra? How does it compare to PCB?

>>23256493
>how does it rank up against other extras? is it on the easy end?
You're going to get a million different answers based on personal experience, which means they're all around the same difficulty. I feel the same way, but LoLK sticks out as the hardest for me.

>>23256512
I only played that one briefly-might actually get to clearing it next. The stage itself seemed easier to me from what i could tell, can't speak about flandre since I always died to her second SC

>>23124168
Is the Touhou gacha any good?

>>23260899
You have some guts mentioning it around these parts but to answer your question it's just ok, it's pretty much just a fangame. If you like music you'll like how many arranges there are.

>>23256493
Definitely on the easy end, but I'd say Flan and Suwako are roughly on the same level, plus if you've already practiced Ran then you'll be able to put a lot of that towards Yukari as well. I bet you could clear all three of them now in much less time than it took you to beat Ran.

>>23256493
you're ready for pacifist lls

>>23256682
>which means they're all around the same difficulty
Not even close, the difficulty for extras is all over the place.

Is using practice mode considered cheating?

>>23262489
using your eyes is cheating

>>23262489
Yeah, "practice" is japanese for "cheating".
Of course it's not, why would you think so? Even external practice tools are fair game imo.

>>23262489
It wouldn’t be in the game is it was cheating

>>23262221
that's reassuring to know, as Flan was probably the next extra I was gonna clear. Feeling a little burnt out on PCB and still haven't unlocked Phantasm so that helps too

>>23262408
nice job proving his point

>>23264998
nope, deciding they're all the same difficulty because people have varied opinions is stupid

>>23265108
The only objective way to look at Extra is to look at the resource system and the number of different attacks. That basically means EoSD becomes the hardest, which I'm sure many people here, including myself, would disagree with. There are too many other factors to consider, like the order everyone played the games and the overall skill level.

As someone who's pretty experienced with the games, all of the bosses have a few easy spells and nothing really sticks out as hard except for a few attacks like Mokou's rings of death and Hecatia's moons. And I started playing the games with IN Extra, so Mokou is the hardest Extra boss in the series, despite me seeing a ton of people call her easy as fuck?

It's mostly personal opinion. Take those comments with a grain of salt.

>>23266008
I think clear condition is also worth considering when thinking about comparing difficulty. For example, Ten Desires Extra has pretty easy patterns overall in my opinion, but your amount of permitted misses is very low, so a player who relies on resources to clear might have a very different perception of its difficulty compared to a player trying to NN.

>>23232694
post your folder

>>23266008
>The only objective way to look at Extra is to look at the resource system
by that logic lolk is the easiest game to clear since you get the most lives

>>23267894
>by that logic lolk is the easiest game to clear
Not him, but lolk is in fact one of the easiest lunatic 1cc's if you know how to use Sanae/Reisen to farm lives.

>>23266357
That example is definitely true.
I don't agree with the original anon though; for instance, Suwako and Ran are pretty obviously easy, while Koishi and Nue are pretty obviously hard, so while an exact ranking of difficulty is impossible, you'd have to be a madman to think that they're all the same.
It would be interesting to collect some hard data on this, by polling players for a numerical ranking of all Extras in order of difficulty, but I doubt such a thing is feasible, especially here.

>>23267894
It depends on shottype used as well, Reisen makes for the easiest 1ccs of any game

>>23269383
that’s more because of gamebreaking characters abusing a mechanic than resources

>>23270881
The mechanic being abused IS the resource system.

>>23271016
no, it’s the character’s bombs

>>23271071
You can still get ~20 lives on Reimu/Marisa if you know what you're doing. It's just easier to do it on Reisen/Sanae.

>>23271197
it's possible ,sure, but the average player won't even come close to 20 lives

>>23178040

There are a lot of attacks where you need to think ahead, don't be afraid to look in front of your character to see whats going on and to aggressively move forward to avoid trap spots. You probably had to think this way to get through Youmu in 7 so it shouldn't be too bad. Also yeah bomb a lot. Pretty much everybody bombs at least once at Momoji, that part's a bitch

>>23233584

IMO it's Marisa with Autumn. You might need to practice with autumn, you have to be pretty aggressive to get enough leaves collected, but once you nail it it makes a lot of the last two stages trivial. If you do it right you can get a new release charged up immediately, so you can just chain it and sweep the map. For instance, those yellow pellets at the end of stage 5 and last boss's kunai nonspells get totally deleted by this, even on normal

>>23241903

Try HSiFS, in my opinion it's the easiest to 1cc normal. Simple mechanics, OP subweapon abilities, and spell practice mode. Good shit.

Usually I would avoid thcrap like the plague, but turns out it not everything on it are shitty meme mods.
There's one that recreates EoSD in UFO and it's pretty interesting, just having the PoC by default makes stage 1 a non issue, but I wonder if the creator ported hp values 1:1, even Reimu and MarisaB kill stuff pretty quick. Murasa also has new patterns for Sanae's "Patchouli", some I've never seen before, maybe they're borrowed from StB?
It's a WIP though, stage 5 only has the midboss and half of Sakuya's fight (after The World it's just Shou's normal fight) and the game just ends with stage 6's Nueball after Sakuya's nonspell, there's not even Eternal Meek

4th EXNN! This would have been the easiest so far if not for Suwa War.

>>23269397
If you don't mind me asking, what makes you say that Koishi and Nue are obviously difficult? I haven't done either of them yet, but I'm really interested in hearing how you define difficulty since it seems like everyone has a different idea when it comes to what makes something difficult.

>>23274689
Only a few days after your last EXNN too. Congrats, do you plan on perfecting another one after this?

>>23274689
You're amazing. Do you post your replays anywhere?

>>23275048
I'd like to NN every extra stage eventually, so definitely! I've been thinking a lot lately about taking a break from extra stages to try to LNN Ten Desires though, so I might spend some time on that instead if I feel like I can actually do it.

>>23275366
http://replay.lunarcast.net/index.php?RpName=muri

I have a long way to go still, but thank you!

>>23274689
Mainly what makes me say that is that I've had my ass kicked horribly compared to other Extras, but if you want to get precise about it, I suppose it's the ratio of how difficult the danmaku is to how many resources you get. This also applies to the easy examples.
Ran/Yukari and Suwako have a lot of theatrical spell cards that look intimidating but don't actually require very precise dodging once you know how to do them, and their stages are fast-paced but leave a decent amount of wiggle room. Yet they shower you with bombs and lives (not to mention borders), and the bombs are actually good in those games. I almost did a no-miss clear of Yukari without even trying once.
On the other hand, Koishi's stage requires constant precision not only to not die, but to even get to max power before the boss; if you slip up once, both are pretty much out the window. It's very stingy on resources, and the bombs are mostly not very effective anyway. Plus even the midboss attacks are fucking brutal. Probably nine out of ten of my attempts at that stage end without even seeing Koishi.
Nue's stage I haven't played as much, but it's got a lot of sideways bullets and shit, and you have to go out of your way routing UFOs on top of dodging an already-difficult stage. Although if you're doing NNs then maybe it's not so bad.

>>23124168
play

Is there any strategy to use for Phantasmagoria? The bullets are more or less random, so for me it feels more like a pure reflex thing.
I love this game, but god damn is it a tax on the fingers.

>>23280508
Use level 2s like a normal game's bombs

>>23280508
Stop using focused movement.

Almost forgot how fun this game was.

>>23280649
Touhou has seriously ruined every other game for me.
And nice UFO clear, I still can’t beat that one.

>>23280648
Are you joking with me? How will that help?

>>23280649
Nice clear, that must have been intense.
UFO is very fun indeed, even for normal people like me playing on Normal.

>>23280828
Keep up the good work regardless, one day you'll finish it.
>>23280919
It wasn't fun entering Byakuren with two lives only to accidentally die to the third non of all things. At least it finished, although sloppily.
Nothing wrong with lower difficulties, so just keep going at your own pace and enjoy your time.

>>23280998
>Nothing wrong with lower difficulties
Indeed. I just wanted to clarify my relation to UFO.
And recovering from a sloppy play like that is an achievement in itself.

This thread is so... civil. Is this what the community of actual touhou players is like?

>>23280649
Good job on the world cup.

>>23281122
One day you'll aim for higher and you'll have a hopefully more enjoyable time!
>>23281162
Civility and comfy achievement posting is how it should be.
>>23281194
Thanks. Just wanted to see how this thread was doing.

>>23280904
while focus is held, no new fairy lines will enter the screen unless all the fairies onscreen are killed or leave.
if focus is released, fairy lines will enter until 3-4 are onscreen, with a certain delay between lines. you only need to release focus for a split second for another line to enter.

>>23281244
>One day you'll aim for higher and you'll have a hopefully more enjoyable time!
I'm sure I will! I'm already enjoying it, in fact.
>>23281194
>>23281244
Wait, what? You were in the world cup?! Which round? I probably watched you play.

>>23281311
Good.
And UFO scoring. I felt the most wonderful feeling of relief after I finished, shit was stressful as hell.

>>23281331
Oh! UFO scoring wasn't on the Touhou Replay Showcase, so I haven't actually watched it, and I hadn't even realized I had missed a round.
Here's a link, in case anyone else missed it:
https://youtu.be/OVDFpYOjdcs

Just got a TD NNN on Normal, feels nice

>>23283183
That's pretty good. Which parts of TD normal NNN were the hardest for you, and how long did it take?

>>23283314
This isn't a normal NNN btw, it was at 70 fps
I've been playing since a long time ago (I think earlier than 2012) but I rarely play above Hard and I've never trained specifically to perfect a game, it just happens accidentally. That's not even my first NNN, I've also got PCB and HSiFS, also Normal
The stage portions I guess, I barely route most of the time so stages 1, 3 and 6 were a bit awkward at times

>>23283337
>it just happens accidentally
These are the best accidents.

>>23283337

How do-able is Mokou’s final nonspell? It seems pretty impossible, and bombing isn’t an option since I’m trying to NN the stage.

>>23285992
Was that the ultra fast one? Git gud then, that's the only option

>>23285992
One of the hardest attacks in the series, enjoy it.

Why does making a dumb mistake and losing a life in stage one or two feel like a good luck charm? Everytime I do so, the run always goes much better than normal.

>>23288198
Maybe it’s a mental thing? Mess up early so you feel like you have less room for mistakes later on. I couldn’t tell ya. I reset any run where I screw up at the start.

I feel like SA might be my favorite touhou game if continues didn't restart the level. Or if I were good enough for that not to matter I guess

>>23289175
I think it's mental for the opposite reason. It takes the pressure off and I relax, I can focus better and I'm less jittery.

>>23289175
>I reset any run where I screw up at the start
Same, but crashing like 5 five times in a row is really demotivational.

Is it just me or is lunatic Patcho harder than Sakuya.

>>23299110
Patchy is the hardest boss in EoSD

>>23299110
Patchy is the hardest boss in Voile

>>23288198
I once lost four lives at Parsee and that got me so mad i somehow scrapped pass Yuugi and Satori and died at Orin but was still close to getting to the final stage

I'm new to these games, and I've started with 7 as 6 doesn't have a visible hitbox. I can't get past stage 4 for the life of me.

Also the real reason I'm posting this. I used to have 3 continues, now I have 4. What the fuck? Did I change a setting on accident or something? I only see an option for lives.

>touhou

can we ban this weebshit from this board?

>>23304554
You can't change the number of continues, maybe you just miscounted? And if you're having trouble you should install the vsync patch if you haven't already. The older games have input lag on windows 10 that the patch can fix.

>>23304627
Okay so I deleted my save data, and its back to three. I wonder if something got corrupted or some shit. Anyways thanks for the info about the patch.

>>23304627
Just for visual proof. Left is old score.dat and right is the new one.

>>23304767
PCB has a lot of unexplainable bugs. I just tried to see if I could get 4 continues by dicking around in the settings and it crashed, deleted my savefile, and slowed my computer to shit until I went into the task manager to close it out.
These games are old dude, they're just prone acting weird.

>>23304554
that's normal: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Gameplay#Continues
>When first turning on the game I would only have 3 continues per game. After a bit of playing, it increased to 4 (for all new games), and then after more playing to 5.
can corroborate: i have five continues on an old score.dat

I guess I somehow thought the blue bullets were long gone.
Man I really, really, really don't want to do this stupid fight anymore.

>>23306027
Oh no...

At least this means you're close! In my experience, once you suffer a horrible demoralising choke at the very end, it takes off a lot of the pressure, so I think you'll get it very soon if you decide to keep trying. Good luck!

They are still making these games

>>23307816
I hopeZUN never stops. I hope his soul possesses his son's body and continues to create them, and so on, such that as long as the ZUN bloodline survives Touhou will go on...actually nvm I want it to die and become forgotten about and thus my secret club.

>>23266920

>>23308272
Just tried it again, and for some reason it is working fine now.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.

>>23124168
How do you feel about cute anime girls playing 2hu?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtE-Da6oCd0

>>23310809
She needs a better facial-capture setup.
Aside from that, while she's not particularly good, I like that she actually does seem to be trying, and not doing the obnoxious "pretend to be retarded then scream about dying" shit that a lot of streamer types do to get attention.

>>23304554

Gotta practice, stage 4 of PCB gets pretty real. You can try easy mode too if the last stages of normal just feel like beating your head against a wall. Some people get snobby about that but you have more fun and learn faster by doing moderately challenging things successfully than by dying over and over on something that's overwhelming.

Later games also have the feature, which is a straight improvement imo, of letting you practice any stage you've reached, not just the ones you've beaten. So you might find it smoother to git gud at games that offer this, like 16 or 17

If you're enjoying PCB though no need to stop, it's a great game

>>23312252
Got to the boss of stage 5 on normal. I'm improving.

>>23312307

Well done my dude

>>23308316
yeah that's why i told you to post your folder, it magically works after

But really with your original post you say you're getting the DLL injection error and it remains the same if you move the folder. The DLL injection error will always happen if you have mojibake in the path or folder name, but it will also happen if you have japanese in the path or folder name AND do not use a japanese locale. This would have been the case if your EoSD folder's name was 東方紅魔郷, for example.

EoSD also creates config files automatically if they don't exist yet, and if you fuck up it can make a corrupted one, which can also introduce problems.

>>23283183
>>23283314
>>23283337
>>23283381
recorded it
if anybody wants to see https://youtu.be/mtFSZXfKy3k
also bump

Got to the boss of stage 5 on lunatic. I'm not improving.

>>23316587
So, how do you fix the fps to 70? Does it actually speed up the game?

>>23318986
1. install vpatch
2. write in the vpatch.ini "Game FPS = 70"
yes it speeds up (but apparently steam touhou doesn't, you have to pirate it)

>>23318904
install an ultra patch on a game with spell practice, find some spells which don't get too dense but are still almost impossible to clear, then torture yourself with them for a while, your dodging skills will improve

Anons i feel fucking retarded
>"今日ステーキを焼きたいと思います"
https://youtu.be/v3n0JrnwJOg?t=438 (min 7:18)

焼きたい = I want to grill
[...]と思います = to plan/to think
I plant to want to think?
i think to want to think?

How fast should i kill myself?

>>23319028
Do you think the photogames also would work for this? They definitely have the "spell practice" feel to them.

>>23319093
sure but on ultra they range from "hey this is surprisingly fun" to "what the fuck"
playing them normally helps as well

>>23312307
>>23318904
also the jump from normal and lunatic is pretty large, not sure if you really want to do it right away

>>23319103
I was thinking of just playing them normally; they are already difficult enough at the higher levels.

>>23319174
yeah it's fine, just make yourself have trouble

>>23325771
It was from nyaa

>>23333017
My favorite game is DDC, you earn bombs and lives by PoCing which is really fun and satisfying. It’s one of the harder games (not lolk hard but still pretty difficult) unless you learn routes though, so if you want an easier time MoF would be a good choice. It gives you a lot of resources so there’s plenty of room for mistakes.

>>23253851
Finally, I did it! My first Lunatic 1cc. I'm so excited! Lost 2 lives to stages 2 and 3, but managed to get the 800点 life, which pretty much saved me.

>>23344482
Great job! What made you choose PCB as your first Lunatic game?

<em>asdsad</em>

Marisa's shot in IN is fucking with me. Its acceleration makes me think I've got input lag or something.

>>23352963
You might, if you don't have vpatch. Input lag is more noticable on faster characters.

>>23353989
Nah I do have vpatch, and I don't get that feeling when I stop firing. I think it's just in my head. I hope.