/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Why is it popular for VN and anime girls to wear dresses, but American women have abandoned the concept of femininity altogether?

Wait, that wasn't a question.

>Bows are awesome.
Agreed.

And Wanko To Kurasou made me cry so much ;_;

frilly dresses are so hot

>>2315617

It ended with a question mark. Therefore it is a question. QED.

Feminism kicked in the west hard in the balls.

So why is it so popular in VN and animu for every girl to have sex with the protagonist but I never see that shit in real life? Harem is awesome.

>>2315617
>Why is it popular for VN and anime girls to wear dresses, but WESTERN women have abandoned the concept of femininity altogether?

NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DRESS HERE.

>So why is it so popular in VN and animu for girls to wear bows
?

>>2315624

Broskis and fratboys life are like VNs without the melodrama. Just with more booze.

OP question should include ribbons and lace

>>2315628
Why are women from Fire Emblem so god damn erotic, yet there aren't enough doujins.

Because women thesedays would rather look like sluts than dress with class.

Just one in my life i'd like to see a female thats 15~25 wearing a skirt like this. I asked quite a lot of girls why they dont wear dresses/skirts, they told me skirts are pretty and cute, but i get the same fucking response form every girl i ask why she dosent wear one "I don't have the leggs for a skirt". Only super sluts wear miniskirts.

>>2315628
>>2315641
The real question is: What is she going to do with that arrow?

Wanko to Kurasou shall always have a shortcut on my desktop!

>>2315641
Why are the girls form *insert jrpg here* so hot etc...

Need more butt bows

>>2315644
No drill hair
no dresses
no bows
no frills
no cute
SLUT ONLY
FINAL DESTINATION!

>>2315656
No, Fire Emblem, especially.

Why can't men wear suits or uniform like clothing anymore? It's much more sexy than wearing jeans and a tshirt looking like a homeless begger. Show some class guys.

Some day, I'd like to not dress like shit.

>>2315664
THIS.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has this preference for Fire Emblem girls.

>>2315659
This is a 2d slut.

man what I wouldn't give for some girls with class and not the mass media tainted sluts that litter the greater NY metro area. -_-;

Aren't frilly dresses really expensive thesedays since noone makes them anymore?

>>2315672
I 100% agree with this.

>>2315677
>-_-;
Don't do that here.

>>2315626
I often see dresses where I live.

>>2315672

Now that I have an office job I wear a suit all the time. But it is cheaper and less time consuming shopping for jeans and a shirt than a suit, tie, shoes, socks, dress shirt etc. And even if you are doing it on the cheap it comes out pretty expensive. Plus you gotta know your sizes.

Personally I'd wear something like this. If it was acceptable in society, but it's not.

>>2315626

Only aged 50+ women over here wear dresses. Otherwise its just jeans, shorts, mini skirts, capris and khakis.

>>2315695
Where the hell do you live?

>>2315681

You would probably have to buy them at some goth loli store or god forbid hot topic.

>>2315702
Do it anyway.

>>2315704
>Otherwise its just jeans, shorts,
>mini skirts,
Mostly sluts.
>capris and khakis.
What is this?

>>2315649
I've heard from my sister, ex-girlfriend and numerous friends that they are uncomfortable to walk with.

>>2315702
The only thing there that would be seen as a little odd is the hat.

>>2315711
I did for the masquerade. Sadly it wasnt as good as this.

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I fucking love Fire Emblem, even though I can't read those moonrunes.

>>2315713

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capri_pants

Not as slutty as the rest but eh...it doesn't grab my attention as a dress would.

>>2315717
Wouldn't wearing stockings fix that?

>>2315719
>masquerade
Faggot

Capri pants are for Horos.

>>2315717
What the hell? How can something that only fixed to your torso be uncomfortable? Jeans are SKIN TIGHT and uncomfortable. I wear trousers or whatever because i hate jeans they're fucking uncomfortable.

>>2315719
You mean Carnival?

>>2315732
Uncomfortable to walk with, not uncomfortable to wear.

>>2315732
I wear sports clothes even if I hate sports SO MUCH BETTER THAN JEANS.

>>2315721
Oh... well this is just as shit as any other pants based clothing.

>>2315737

Why don't they just lift up the front's of their dresses a bit as they walk like in the olden days? That's fucking classy right there. Like a noblewoman, not some main street harlot they seem to love to emulate thesedays.

>>2315695
Same here.

>>2315740
This too.
>>2315734
Isnt it the same shit? One day of the year you dress up as something, at first it was to scare of ghosts, now it's just fun.

>>2315745
Hell, I already do that with my pants since they're baggy as fuck.

>>2315748

Where the fuck do you guys live? I'm over here in San Francisco and it's all just jeans or hipster clothing. Or those goth skirts.

>>2315695
>>2315748
This
>>2315707

>>2315696

I bought my suit at good will for 50 bucks. You don't have to spend hundreds for a suit.

I would want to wear something like a male version of Parsees clothes.

Dresses make it easier for me to raep them.

>>2315649
This is ironic, because they have a problem with dresses, but will wear miniskirts and shit.

Also, God invented stockings for a reason. If not sexy enough, panty hose.

>>2315749
What? It has never had anything to do with ghosts.

>>2315762
Something like this too. Horo basically got it from Lawrence so I guess this should be unisex.

My little sister still wears a dress. Well because of her school uniform. Kinda looks like Cirnos cloths but green and alot uglier. But a dress is a dress.

>>2315769
It did in Croatia, ghosts and spirits and demons.

Why don't men wear skirts anymore?

>>2315786
Homophobe christfags.

>>2315786
Men never wore skirts. Kilts and togas are not the same thing as skirts.

Bows?!
How about they fucking loose weight first?

>>2315791
What? You're an idiot.

>>2315672

Because it's cool to be anti-establishment and non-conformist. And uniforms and suits are the pinnacle of those things.

>>2315786
They do just not in the western world.
Something like Ky Kiske or Holy Order sol would be awesome to wear, that sort of coat that looks like a skirt.

>>2315753
Oregon.

Hats used to be classy as fuck, now nearly nobody wears them anymore.

>>2315806

Lucky you. No sales tax and dresses as far as the eye can see...

>>2315808

Alot of people still wear hats. They either wear baseball caps or those faggy hipster caps you see 50's era taxicab drivers wear. But yeah noone wears classy hats nomore.

>>2315808
Only problem with hats that I have is too long hair for a hat to sit on my head.

Dont we all agree that uniforms, skirts and hats should come back and be "fashionable"?

>>2315808
Aside from your average retarded wigger wearing a baseball cap backwards.

I wear a beanie but that makes me look like a bum/wigger/actual gangbanger the police should pull over.

>>2315816
>Only problem with hats that I have is too long hair for a hat to sit on my head.
What? How? Does your hair stick up into the air?

I'm jealous of my mother. She works at Customs and she gets to wear a uniform with a spiffy hat. Plus she has a gun.

>>2315816
>too long hair

That's what ribbons are for, Anonymous.

>>2315826
Incest, while she's wearing the uniform.

>>2315823
Super Saiyan

>>2315811

>But yeah noone wears classy hats nomore.

>>2315804
Looks like a trenchcoat crossbred with a robe to me

>>2315811
hats=/=caps
At least in my perception of the words, a hat is a cylinder hat or straw hat etc...
And caps are the new age shits like baseball caps, beanies, even the ones that look like fisher hats like in the picture.

>>2315823
Dont really know how to explain but a hat just wont stay on my head for long...

Used to wear a big bow ribbon when I was younger. Much younger. It was hard as hell to keep on.

>>2315832
Whatever it is it's awesome.

thighhighs

>>2315831
Classy as fuck.

Feminism killed femininity about the same time it killed chivalry.

>>2315827
As a male I cant really wear ribbons, but i did keep my hair tied into a ponytail for quite a time, it's also a good trick to mask your hair when it's unwashed and you have to go somewhere.

Classy cloths died with chivalry. Blame feminism for this.

>>2315837
Don't get me wrong, I'd wear one every fukken day if I could do so without getting the cops called on me by suspicious onlookers

>>2315845
this poster is obese

>>2315846
Mask your hair?

We need imperialistic and militaristic clothing back. That shit was awesome. Made you feel like you were a part of something.

>>2315856
It dosent looks so oily and generally dirty when it tied up.

I wear flatcaps from time to time, but...

Feels old, man.

>>2315865
This!

So why was it so popular in the 80s for people to have mullets but I never see that shit these days anymore? Mullets are awesome.

>>2315866

My hair is kind of the opposite. It winds up being incredibly messy when tied, so much that I could make Einstein look normal. However, it's very uncomfortable otherwise.

>>2315890
You just dont have long enough hair to tie it all.

>>2315888
No, mullets are one of the few things that are not awesome.

>>2315907

Oh, I do. It goes down roughly mid-back. It just winds up looking more of a mess.

>>2315888
Thread's descended into insanity.

Just because the mainstream hates it doesn't mean it deserves to be liked. Mullets are horrific, and should be gone. Only a few people can pull off mullets, just like only a few girls can pull off miniskirts.
I'm tired of seeing huge blubbery legs slapping their fat against one another. You can even hear it at times.

...I hate Ireland.
And mullets.

>>2315612
Because in Japan wearing a bow is looked at as a ditzy stupid way, kind of like blondes in USA.

>>2315845
chivalry isn't dead. just forgotten

Bows always look like shit IRL due to no magical animu gravity.

>>2315967
Thats just about the same. It's not here that the point.

>>2315974

No no. My younger sister's school uniform has a bow and it looks adorable. Just some of the middle school students in her school try to slut the bow up and it looks like shit.

>>2316030
how do you slut up a bow? do they put glitter on it or something?

>>2316053

Tie it up loosely with your blouse unbuttoned so the bow kinda directs your sight to their chest.

Personally, I love wearing skirts/dresses and it bothers me to no end seeing most girls wearing nothing but tshirt and jeans anymore.

While I lived in Japan I got a nice assortment of cute and fashionable stuff (normal clothes not loli stuff). Stuff I could probably never buy in the US and it's a shame.

The only thing I have with bows though are two pairs of shortpants with a satin sash as a belt and tie in the front as a bow.

Things that are awesome in 2D are not necessarily awesome in 3D.

Case in point: dresses, bows, etc. Ever actually seen cosplay? It's the pinnacle of what you folks are talking about, but definitely it's not classy or feminine or (most importantly) good-looking.

>>2316071

You assertion is flawed. Most of the dresses,bows etc used in cosplay are either handmade or made by some guy on ebay. They aren't being bought at Macy's or some respectable clothing shop.

>>2316074
How is handmade vs. mass produced relevant? Either it looks good or it doesn't.

>>2316086

How is eating a doughnut made by a bum on the street or from a renowned pastry maker relevant? Either it tastes good or it doesn't.

>>2316096
uh ...are you agreeing with him cuz it sounds like you are

>>2316086
So you're saying something like this looks bad to you?

>>2316103
Do you by chance happen to suffer from learning difficulties?

Here a common thing, you're a kid and you want to be spider man. So you ask your mom to get you a spider man costume, she goes to the shop sees one and says no way that to expensive so she decides to make one, and you get a homemade one thats off and only looks alike, and the rich boy next door buys the costume and looks like the real spider man. Hope you understand it now.

>>2316124
>>2316103
civil... keep it civil.

>>2316132
Fucking lousy little rich bitch. Sure, it's kind of raggy and not even the right color but at least my parents love me.

>>2316132
Lousy comparison; storebought spiderman costumes look nothing like the actual spiderman outfit, more like spiderman-themed pajamas.

Anybody with half an ounce of talent and an understanding of the materials can make an outfit on par with mass-produced clothing, and anybody with genuine skill can far surpass it.

The problem here is anybody who has popped out kids is obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed, so it's natural a mom's homemade costume wouldn't be up to snuff.

>>2316157
FUCKING BREEDERS

>>2316132

He is still not going to look like Spiderman.

The argument about "hand made vs Mass Produced" is flawed because if it was true then a Bentley would be worst that a Ford.

Also even these days people get clothing being "hand made", things like suits were getting on in a tailor will be better that getting one from a clothing store.

This is more "Average man hand made vs Mass Produced" since cosplay is usually done by an average person with little talent in sewing.

>>2316172

I don't think the point was handmade vs storebought. But more if you make a shitty dress to cosplay as some character, you will most likely look like shit compared to someone who has a good understanding of fabric and tailoring making it or buying a dress at a department store that looks like the costume you want etc.

I wear waistcoats with dress shirts and fitting pants every day. Took a while to get used to but it looks so much better than anything else in my eyes. Plus, rolling your sleeves dressed that way instantly makes you look hardworking and honest.

Reading through the thread I deduce that anon views modern fashion as slutty and without class.

>>2316201
You deduction is correct, except we're talking about average joe western fashion here. Or so i think.

>>2316201
Most people do.

>>2316071

That's because 2d things a static; even when animated they're just a series of static frames. To make dresses, bows and so on work in the real world you need to account for the awkward aspects of 3d and motion. Most (if not all) cosplayers don't, they just attempt to recreate exactly what is on the page when it should be used as concept art for high fashion.

Take Gilgamesh's casual clothes as attached here. In that pose his clothes look pretty awesome but the first glaringly obvious flaw is that the cut of the shirt won't look right unless you have your hands the your pockets the whole damned time. The other problem is sticking to the strongly defined colour schemes; unless you change some of that black to dark gray it will look tacky. My final point follows on from this: tackyness. Whilst I applaud the endeavor involved for an amateur seamstress, the fabrics they use simply have no place on the human body, and it is often the difference (with normal clothes) between an outfit that looks good and one which just never looks right.

>>2315672
I feel goddamn classy wearing a suit. Would wear one everyday if I could, makes me feel oddly sexy as fuck.
But the weather is hot and not fit for a suit look. Fuck me.
Try to go for the Faraday look, button up shirt and a casual tie.

>>2316201

Not true, fashion is an artistic thing; the slutty, classless garb most plebs swathe themselves in are just advertisements for prostitution.

>>2316260

For the summer I just don't wear the jacket. Dress shirt with tie still looks pretty classy. Plus looking classy also depends on how you carry yourself. My sister used to buy expensive ass luxurious cigarette brands to try and look classy whenever she met with clients. Too bad she smokes like a whore to impress anyone.

>>2316253

Truth. I remember I tried to make a Valkyria Chronicle cosplay for Welkin and finding decent fabric for a military cosplay is hard as fuck to do if I don't want to end up spending 100 bucks on the fabric alone. Also the color scheme and all the weird "belts and zippers" shit jrpg heroes have make for complicated embroidering and sewing. I think I just said fuck it and left alot of details undone to save time. So it ended up looking more like a run in the mill Full Metal Alchemist cosplay. Really tacky and looked like shit.

>>2316276

Knowing how to manage accessories is an art form in itself. As a rule of thumb, just going by my minds eye, one descent sized belt with a slightly larger than normal buckle would probably be sufficient to evoke enough of the feel of "belts and zippers" in the real world.

In case anyone who does cosplay is reading: Toning down the level of silly details and increasing the texture would allow a lot of cosplay to pass as slightly odd fashion.

>>2316297

I think it's easier to do that for a dress or everyday wear a character wears than a uniform where all those minute details are essential to the character.

>>2316308

Sorry, wasn't overly familiar with the character. It would take a better man than me to pull that job off, but I'd probably head to military surplus stores as a start, even if just to get an idea of how to put them together. To be honest that is ridiculously difficult.

>>2316353

Not the anon that tried to cosplay but why is that so hard to make? Is it just time consuming making all his little rank insignias?

Personally I just like clothes that really stand out and are ostentatious. Anime and video games have a lot of these. I couldn't find a tailor or seamstress to make me the things I want locally so I started learning myself, I'm still not too good but it's only a matter of time.

>>2316376

The shirt is incredibly strange (mainly for the underarm areas and stripes down the front). Making the shoulder pads not look awkward would be hard as well, they would start to look wrong when you moved. All the insignias would be relatively easy in comparison, just a case of a lot of embroidery.

Personally, I'd think that it would look to busy with all that in real life, I'd reduce the uniform down to the parts you felt best evoked the essence of the original. I'd be tempted to see if I could just theme an existing military outfit with black, gray and red with white trims.

>>2316377

Take some classes in fashion design: best thing I ever did with my time.

>>2316377
Attention whore.

I think Asians would be more inclined to wear dresses and bows and cute shit like that. 3rd wave feminism hasn't touched East Asia yet.

>>2316453

>>2316456

>3rd wave feminism hasn't touched East Asia yet

that's a rather big statement to make, putting aside that it's totally wrong

>>2316453
I guess I am a bit, but it all started with me seeing some character in an rpg I was playing when I was 9 and going "damn that is a nice looking coat! I want one!"

That and a fascination with goggles, I don't really know why I just find them awesome. Shame I can't find any good pairs on the internet.

>>2316487

Women are institutionally discriminated against in Asia. Just look at Japan as the prime example and their fascination with Office Ladies. Noone gives a shit when they do it. But pull that in the west and we'll have riots.

This is actually the first decent thread I have seen on /jp/ in weeks. I submitted it to 4chanarchive, need a few more votes to make sure it gets saved.

http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/main.php?mode=submit

>>2316502

>>2316513
Why? We have the /jp/ archive that gets anything and everything.
Just for you, this is an easily searchable keyphrase to get it:
Anonymous discuss classy clothes

>>2316513
>4chanarchive
>/jp/
Get out.

>>2316521
link?

>>2316542
I guess you must be new here.
Please read this http://archive.easymodo.net/jprules.php
and lurk moar.

>>2316510
Yeah like this shit from a jap-english teacher over there.

"Anyway, Noisy Gentleman takes a look around, searching for someone who can go toe to toe on the scales with him. He calls out to a female teacher. "Hey, what's your waist size?" he asks. "It's 84 centimeters." she responds simply. "Shit, I won!" Noisy Gentleman exclaims. He is, indeed, the fattest person in this school.

But wait-a-minute, back up that train for a moment. Let's take a look at what just happened there, cause it blew my socks right off. But just in case you didn't catch the subtleties, let's run it through the Japanese Indirectness Translator™

NG (To female teacher): Hey, what's your waist size? (JIT: Hey, how fat are you?)
Female Teacher: It's 84 centimeters. (JIT: Not that fat.)
NG: Shit, I won! (JIT: Fuck, you're not fatter than me.)

See, this conversation would have never happened in America. I can't imagine the amount of Bounty quicker-picker-upper paper towels it would take to clean up what was left of Noisy Gentleman if he asked a woman in America how fat she was. And then the female teacher, who isn't even fat, casually answers the question, not feeling at all offended or ready to come down upon him with the Furies of a Thousand Hells or anything like that. That just blew my mind."

>>2316510

I have heard arguments that the kogals were 3rd wavist.

I have also heard (rather accurate) statements that women rights in japan is probably about 20-30 years behind the west but that doesn't mean women attitudes are. It's orientalist to treat east asian women like they're a total product of the patriarchal culture they're in, japan is a modern society with free access to ideas like anyone else.

>>2316556

Do kogals even have an ideology to fight for? I thought it was just a fashion statement and people took it more seriously than it was ment to be?

/jp/ is stuck in the past. Noone wears dresses for the same reason noone wears togas today anymore.

>>2316570
Except for frat boys.

>>2316555
That guy is right if someone said that shit to a woman here in America all the women who heard it would rise as one and slay them.

>>2316555
Not everyone in America takes offense at the idea of people asking simple questions about their body. Also, not all men in America will put up with shit like a bunch of harpies descending upon him because he might have said something un-P.C.

>>2316581
all women are fat here so it goes without saying

>>2316570

It's because looking like a whore has become fashionable. We know we are stuck in the past. Maybe being stuck in the past is a good thing if we don't want girls everywhere to look like they are getting ready for a hard days work at the brothel.

>>2316565

kogals is more then just the whole ganguro thing. The girls were very rebellous, trends were almost a completely caricature of what males would scorn them for.

Don't quote me on this I'm not the wordy feminists who wrote this crap that probably looked into a teen craze far too much though.

Also I do not disagree that sexism is totally institutional in the workplace, they isn't even any concrete legal protection to enforce equality aside from that half assed shit they did in the early 90s. However to say that 3rd wavist concepts are absent is a bit of a far stretch.

You might argue that the prevelence of workplace harassment is the result of the attitude of corporate loyality overwhelming progressive feminist attitudes in the victims for example.

>>2316603
I am going to quote you on that. Enjoy being quoted in a future thread.

>>2315649
Orthodox Jewish girls wear those. I'm a raging anti-Semite but I can't resist blushing when I see a girl in her plain dress shirt and long utilitarian skirt. When I was about 15 and in the line for a roller coaster, there was a girl my age dressed exactly like that, with a pink shirt and a grey skirt, and I was (*´Д`)ﾊｧﾊｧing the whole time while her father glared me down with his cold Hebrew eyes. Maybe that's why I like Akiha so much four years later.

Artsy and fat girls will also sometimes wear something a bit more embellished that is called a "peasant dress," but it just doesn't work for me.

>>2316768
So this was what a year ago?

I find dress more confortable to wear compared to pant only problem is that I'm a guy and there's no way normal people will understand me.

>>2316771
Nah, I'm almost 20 now. It just had a big impact on me.

>>2316822
When's your birthday man?

>>2316831
June 1989. What are you getting me?

Oh dear god I had no idea this section existed, and now I'm wishing I still didn't.

>>2316837
Depends what you get me man, April 1989 here.

>>2316598
You're exaggerating a little too much. Just because pants show the shape of a woman's legs doesn't mean they're trying to show off their body.

>>2316840
What.

I once saw a loli with a bow, I ran for my life.

This is why I can only ever love 2D girls. They are beautiful and kind and feminine and pure.

I see a girl on my street who wears lacy dresses and ribbons from time to time. I wish I had the confidence to rape talk to her.

>>2316837
fuck you I'm 14th of June, 1989

>>2316855

I didn't say ALL pants were slutty. Just the lowrider shit with the thong sticking out or tubetop etc.

>>2316970
Do you know how difficult it has been to get a decent pair of jeans that aren't some 'low waist' or 'super low waist' shit in recent years? The last time I tried was two years ago, and I spent half a day at the mall (never a fun thing) raging at the salesgirls because they couldn't understand why someone wouldn't want to show off their underwear (their reasoning: but it's comfortable!).

>>2316983
Buy men's jeans, they are more comfortable anyway.

I remember seeing in my mom's old highschool pics of her when she was in Hong Kong, she used to tie her hair up in a ponytail with a bow holding it up. I wish she would do this but she cut her hair short now. Taiga short.

>>2316991
I used to! Switched over for various reasons though.