/jp/ - Otaku Culture

good thread

ただしい

てあらい

しょうどく

HOPE!

>>23085138
is the virus really affecting 日本land?

>>23085156
abe is closing all schools

>>23085163
based

beginner picking up manga here, somehow i unintentionally end up tilting my head to the right while reading the vertical text
am i autistic?

https://youtu.be/HWNYgKF9RaM

>>23085156
武漢肺炎

これまでは－３（ともだちのともだちのともだちに感染者あり）というふんいきだったんだけど

ー２（ともだちのともだちに感染者あり）まできてる

－１（ともだちに感染者あり）というかんじじゃない

how do i learn japanese on arch linux?

why would os matter

>>23085229
consume compelling content

thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C63Hro7P_OI

>>23085184
thats fucked up anon stop that

がっこうへいさで

ごはんがないので

３にちれんぞく

ホットケーキ

そろそろおにくがたべたい

>>23085266
ほっともっとに行けば？

You can watch this A.I. fail at kanji, if you want to feel better about yourself.
https://youtu.be/e0eDrSQh3o4

there was a list of anime ranked from easy to hard posted a few threads ago. Now I can't find it. does someone have it saved?

>>23085286
なぜ

からあげべんとう

のそんざいをしっているのだ

>>23085266
がっこうでにくをたべたら
ウィルスにかんせんするかもしれないから
もっとがまんしてください
たいせつないもうとだから

>>23085163
good school is for nerds

>read some manga in japanese
>struggle with parts of it but move on
>come back a day later and re-read each page followed by the english translation
>stuff I found confusing the day before is now clear even before reading the english

I'm surprised how often this is happening, like I pre-read something then re-read it again after a while and it makes a lot more sense.

>>23085501
いざとなったら

からあげべんとうをたべるよ

あれすっごいふとる

>>23085454
個人的にはステーキ弁当が一番です

>>23085571
the brain is a wonderful lil machine
treat it nicely

any エロゲ similar to クロスチャンネル like the time loop aspect

>>23085625
hanahira

>>23085679
嘘つき

>>23085571
re-reading and re-listening is powerful

>>23085797
which is why you should do sentence cards :)

>>23085815
>A time loop or temporal loop in fiction is a plot device whereby characters re-experience a span of time which is repeated, sometimes more than once, with some hope of breaking out of the cycle of repetition

>>23085576
からあげべんとうは

さめてもおいしい

げんじつとうひする

アニメみる
https://gyao.yahoo.co.jp/p/00871/v12220/

はやくにちじょうにもどりたい

>>23085455
this looks like a good spot to watch some pokemon and eat a bento

>>23086291
just drink local pool water yo. don't be dumb and buy shit you probably won't need. get that cl into your system to kill the bad bugs.

>>23086601
Everyone needs a girlfriend too. I don't have rations, or a girlfriend.

>>23086626
you can eat he later

pretty sure water loves you

why is everyone obsessed with hugging, tickling is many times more fun

>>23086704
dont worry when its over ill tickle you bro

>>23086822
bernies gonna win bro don't worry

lmao i can agree with jamal want trump to win just to see the bitching again

tbf all the opinion polls and projections in the last election showed hillary destroying trump too
the people who get polled for that shit aren't necessarily representative of the general population
i want bernie to win but i think chances are trump is getting a 2nd term, he 100% is if anyone else wins the dem nomination

>>23086963
>and i think he will
lol

>>23087001
you think people aren't going to be persuaded to come out and vote for m4a and free college tuition, written off debt, expunged records? look at nevada he got like 60% of the latino vote lol the bernie coalition is diverse and we're going all the way to the white house trust me

interesting nihongo discussion

>>23087098
they back biden because of obama name association and they don't know anything about politics but if bernies army gets the word out then they'll switch for sure as they have been doing so far

looking at cute chinese girls and visualizing myself catching corona

>>23087179
the media itself is good but struggling to understand it isn't fun

>>23087215
too lazy to dl things, can some1 confirm its fun

>>23087153
you are very dumb for a middle-aged man

>>23087462
just watch more eng subbed shows

>>23087430
do sentence cards

>>23087509
it just means words that tend to come up in dictionary explanations

>>23087558
it looks like ゆ, れ, or ん

>>23087558
what did u answer

>>23087558
I just put in a '!' to make it incorrect if I don't really know the answer instead of guessing. I would have guessed ん though.

https://streamable.com/je1v5

>>23087536
ok what i see these all the time

https://youtu.be/62r8m3JyEwg?t=2013
told you anon but it was his apartment not his japanese friends'. he hung out with japs all the time.

>>23087832
i bet this happened like once

https://www.strawpoll.me/19463865

>>23088043
lowering new cards doesn't improve retention

>>23086687
what a sad reality

>羽目を外す / ハメ外しすぎるな
how common is this expression?
worth mining?

>>23088351
technology is surprisingly out of date in japan

https://streamable.com/z20cx

his spam is getting worse

>>23088355
desu if you were to lean out of a train over here or stick your head out you'd run the risk of getting decapitated

>>23088046
I'm a beginner so i can't say much, but lowering the new cards helped me a bit.
I could not remember jack shit a week ago (first week learning japanese), so i changed decks and lowered the new cards limit to 10. So far it's been good, i also have some free time to learn some grammar.

>>23088379
>28.3s/card
based

>>23088375
did you just assume i made both of those posts

i think jamal might have got brain cancer from listening to j-rap
so sad

>>23088413
>find the new card on the list cause it doesn't default to the card that was just made
click the book icon in yomi after adding the word

>>23088452
Yes and in fact I think you're right. I'll stop now

i specifically talk about yomichan auto tagging to quickly find the word you really just don't read the site that's why this happens

>>23088608
then don't mine as much as you've been mining?

>>23088608
don't mine everything

>>23088651
you don't need more than 10-20 new sentences per day
if your backlog covers that, then stop mining for a bit
you have to learn to let important-seeming vocab pass you by
you'll get them eventually

filters really make a difference

shouldn't the kanji for this be 勤まる?
Jisho says that's the only way to write it, but typing it out gives both options, and the JMdict seems to put 務まる on top which is how it ended up on my card.

>>23088741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWM_1hBu_c&t=56s

I was reading older and older novels and I'd make a ton of anki cards and my vocabulary was getting crazy big. And eventually I started studying classical Japanese and I studied more Japanese history. I had this idea in my head that I wanted to 100% master Japanese. Like 100%. Since Japanese comes from classical Japanese, it evolved over time, and in order to really understand it 100% I'd have to understand all of classical Japanese to understand exactly how it evolved. And I'd also have to study Japanese history because they were so interconnected. And I was even planning on studying Chinese for the sake of Japanese because Japanese is so influenced by Chinese and they used to write in classical Chinese in Japan. So I was gonna learn Mandarin and then I was going to learn classical Chinese in Mandarin so I could complete the Japanese language, like 100% complete it.

In addition to that I was learning obscure words and had all this obscure knowledge on the etymology of words and so it got to the point where I was correcting my Japanese friends' speech all the time because they'd use a word wrong or sometimes they'd ask a random question like "how come we say blah blah blah, like how did this word come to mean this?" and I'd know the answer and they'd be like "WTF?" And my favorite thing that happened was that they'd try to test me. Especially this is what would happen when someone is starting to get to know me. Because Japanese people have this idea that Gaijin suck - which is true because most Gaijin do suck. But they'd use a word and then they'd correct themselves. They'd use a kind of difficult or rare word and then they'd rephrase it in an easier way assuming I wouldn't understand it. And I'd be like dude I understand that first word and they'd be like "What? How much do you understand?" And I'd just say it "Dude I probably know more words than you. I probably read more kanji than you." Then they'd test me and they'd bring up the hardest kanji they could think of and I'd read it all. And I wasn't very good at writing kanji by hand. But when you say "I can write any kanji" they'd either ask you to write 薔薇 or 檸檬. And I'd do that. And they'd be like "wow he can write any kanji" so that's what I was talking about when I said I mastered making people think I'm better than I am. That's one aspect of that.

>>23088811
did you really just waste 10 mins of your life transcribing that from matt's video

>>23088816
I transcribed more than that

>>23088819
based
make a boiro read the entire 3 hour video so matto can finally achieve his dream of being japanese

>>23086954
>thinks the electoral college is dumb
you have to be over 18 to post here

>>23088811
can you even learn "classical japanese" as a whole? for instance isn't the classical japanese from genji monogatari very different from the classical japanese in say works form the meiji period

makes me sad as fuck that jamal is a leftist. i trusted that man

>>23088947
this guy gets it

>>23088955
>>23088957
these guys don't

>>23089026
yes observe them well my son

ぽぱぽぱぽぱぱー
ぽぱぽぱぽぱぱー

>>23088941
where can i anime mine 凌駕

>>23089154
thats like sayin a ruler isnt related to dicks
you still gotta compare somehow

is there anything that works like jparser for textractor?

your stats mean fucking nothing, half of you retards are mining shit in chinese anyway lmfao

shame that your cards are fucking bits

>>23089198
textractor comes with auto bing just use that
>>23089265
baka janai no

>>23088608
>it's honestly not very fun to keep pausing and mining.
i had the same experience which is why i now only mine from reading materials (specifically vns)

if you don't like reading much, you can read just enough to meet your mining quota, then spend the rest of the day on anime.

don't know if you'll find any use for it, but if you want to try copying what i do, here's my card formatting for my vn mining deck:
https://pastebin.com/raw/mXrPXhz0

i like audio cards better than text only cards because my iq is too low to remember anything unless i frequently hear a cute girl saying it

>>23088608
but wouldn’t you have to pause to understand the dialogue anyway?

hOly SMoKEs

>>23089325
1 and a half. paused halfway through a second one around noon and haven't touched it since.

im still mad about this

dunno but sao is rad tbqh

dumb question, how can I see the japanese comments on nicovideo?

>>23089374
not bad but not on moe's level he's truly leaving this thread in the dust

President Playing Cards?

>>23089723
Is it region locked? I remember using a japanese browser that had an embeded nico downloader, I don't even remember why I used it.

5) Watch MattvsJapan vids (~until you quit Japanese)

6) kys

what's the difference between child and kid? are they redundant?

>reading genki
waste of time just get input and you will be able to feel
also, genki will cripple your coloquial japanese

seems like there's an asshole in these threads

>>23090085
But you don't want to speak like an anime character. Talking with natives might be better, but you need the basics first.

>>23090077
子 has more meanings/usages and 子供 is just always child/children

>>23090099
>alking with natives
BITHC WTF AREYOU GOING ON ABOUT?
YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY STUFF UNTIL YOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE.
BEFORE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST ACQUIRE A FEEL FOR HOW STUFF WORKS AND LEARN THE MEANINGS OF STUFF SAID OR WRITTEN.

YOU DON'T SPEAK NOR ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO THINK OF SPEAKING UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

YOU DON'T.

>>23090153
If you don't know how to say something, you can just try your best or you can ask your language partner. Also, you don't have to yell.

>>23090187
Is it that rare?

>>23090214
congrats you're fluent now

>>23090217
read all of tae kim already though, been trying to read but motivation keeps killing it

>>23090214
how's your mature card retention?

>3755 young
wut

>>23090246
thats a lot of young cards are you alright there bud id be crying

>>23090341
not a expert but everything that can be omitted will be omitted.

>>23090362
nothing wrong with 僕 bro stfu there is a lot wrong with the rest of that though

Who would win?
>thousands of ecelebs who can't speak intermediate Japanese after over 20 years of "immersion"
>one textbook BOI

>>23090400
epic isnt it

>>23090402
hi tobirafag i like you you are someone who truly understand nihongo, not like these half-baked weaboos, we should team up

>>23089325
Hunter Hunter x 3
Death Note x 2
Yuru Camp x 1
Korone Inugami 30 mins
Vinland Saga x 2

かふんしょうに

マスクもうってない

ティッシュもうってない

すこー

>>23090461
is he doing rtk again?

There should be a book RTV that teaches how to read every kanji combination before you learn japanese

>>23090482
if you dont know, dont talk about it

>>23090461
Do you just randomly make up shit?

>>23090490
hes started rtk more times than anyone else in human history
whats the problem

>>23090508
that post didnt say he started rtk again so were all good bud

>>23090365
I'm not fluent, nowhere close. The number of words I have to look up and how I butcher a lot of the pronunciation should be proof of that. It's still fun to do though and I recommend it.

>>23090537
agreed thanks bro

>>23090383
i like your filename anon

>>23090562
>anime cards without the pictures

>>23090534
no

>>23090513
What debate with Matt? I argued that learning 3000 up front was too much given the time to learn the most common 500 kanji (used 75% of the time) took same amount of time as the least common 500 kanji (used 0.7% of the time). Later Matt changed up the recommendation of doing 3000 kanji (production) to instead be 1000 most common kanji as recognition (lazy kanji). The idea being learn the less common kanji as they come up in words.

>>23090560
and i like your pic.
Gothic lolis truly are the masterpiece of god(abe).

wtf does nuke really post here or is it a troll

>>23090604
he's posted here a few times before

>>23090578
it's be nice if someone made a tool to automate the entire process, ocr and all ~uguu~ desu

>>23090586
sorry to hear that man i hope you find peace with morphs
>>23090593
isnt he great

>>23090606
I remembered Quiz cause I supported his patreon till he decided to turn his page into a joke. Dude's probably better than me in Japanese, so take his advice serious. Problem is he's so insufferable you just ignore him. If he worked on that personality problem, he might actually help a lot of people learn Japanese better.

>>23090604
I post here sometimes, though usually anonymously. Let's face it, nobody here needs my advice since the DJT Library has all you need. Came by today as I'm getting ready to do another Let's Read Japanese video.

i wonder if nukemarine cum would make me better at nihongo, haha just joking of course
unless...?

what is quizmaster patreon?

man wtf this japanese thing has LAYERS

time to do a deep dive on tae kim and get fluent in my last month before my AJATT 18 month adversary

I miss being 18 and feeling anime was interesting enough to want to understand it in its original language

>>23090560
have you finished that anki replacement yet?

>>23090178
子
こ
kid (can also be used when old people refer to younger adults or when referring to more adorable people of similar age)
looks good to me. there's only so much detail you can go into in shared decks. you don't want your cards to consistently have five~ten sentences worth of meaning explanation stuff on them

ここは中国から遮断されてるみたいね

いつものちゅうごくのひといない

武漢肺炎のせいかな

How long does it typically take to complete Tae Kim?

>>23090802
3 years

マスクあと２５枚くらいある

なんとかなるかなあ

手作りしようかしら

１００均でゴム糸かってくれば

つくれそう

>>23090705
it has nothing to do with your age

god FUCKING DAMN
i spent my whole day like a motherfucker doing a test online of my uni thinking i only had till just now to deliver it
but its this day, but in the next fucking month
i am fucking retarded
lost a good chunk of time i could be acquiring nihongo
gonna 1 hour tae kim and go sleep fuck it

>woke up 3 hours ago and haven't started my reps yet
Can feel the ankxiety

>>23090802
I started a week ago and I'm about half way, but you could finish it in less or more depending on how much time you use. Just try and set yourself a goal of how much you want to read a day and stick to it, that's what I do.

>>23090854
もっと絶望と仲よくなろうよ

>when they didn't cover cat speech or loli speech in your genki textbooks

These threads are shit, they were much better when they were on /a/. Now it's another /vg/-esque circlejerk. Good thing I already know Japanese and don't need to rely on it.

OwO that was like 10 years ago.

Anyone else have a problem with yomichan deleting dictionaries at random?

Man, eating a proper breakfast before doing Anki reps really help. Recommend 100%.

Man, jerking off before doing Anki reps really help. Recommend 100%

man jacking off before anki really helps
seriously it lets you relaxed and ready to take on he world

>>23091141
also you don't have to stop every time a boob card pops up

>>23091199
a card with a boob on it from eroge or something

how do I get the anime frequency list # for words in yomichan? can I add it to JMDict or do I need some meme dictionary?

>there are people right now in this thread who claim to immerse
>dont drink green tea
ngmi

眼鏡 is read as メガネ
shouldn't it be
眼(ガン) + 鏡(キョウ) = ガンキョウ ?

>>23091321
maybe but sometimes kanji doesnt work that way

>>23091321
Yes it should but its not.
Kanji is a magical concept where things follow a logic you expect them to follow and they actually make sense, unless they do not.

How many vocab should I know for the DJT n5 quiz?

>>23091450
1k+

just the japanese

>>23091321
its kind of like pic related except it official

ok so i got like 140 kanji on vncore but shouldnt i learn the stroke order as well?

>>23091590
you can learn to write when you know japanese

>>23091492

OI MATE U CANT JUST POST THAT SHIT AND NOT GIV THE SAUCE

>>23091696
https://exhentai.org/g/1163065/9c07d75af4/

>>23091845
>forgot pic

>>23091845
>not changing system clock every single day so deadline never hits and therefore never have to do anki again
never gonna make it

武漢肺炎

ついに５００キロメートル以内まできた

かなりきびしい

How do you guys approach word mining when reading anything. When there are so many new words I wonder if should stop reading after 15min and try to memorize everything or not focus too much on them and just keep going while forgetting most anyway.

あたしのまちでは

かみさまはうりきれらしい

>>23092105
you learn japanese with a bit of anki and lots and lots of input
so stop mining once you have enough for the day and just keep reading, you inevitably will start to remember shit

>>23091079

I usually do my reps in silence but I listened to this today and it was nice thank u

視線が空から降ってくる

https://streamable.com/gsxpf

>>23092685
>>23092705

>>23092537
That dumdum feel when I recognize all the words but the meaning escapes me.
>視線が
(My) Gaze
>空から降ってくる
rains/falls/comes down from the sky

What's the intended meaning here?

>>23092782

come on now I ponied up and admitted I'm a dumbass, so the only reason anyone would ignore >>23092727 is if they are also uncertain or the post was being made facetiously.

i guess it could be "the gaze which comes down from the sky/heaven" but that just begs the question of a larger context.

im guessing nothing. i already got spanked few days ago and probably rightfully so

>>23092947
what a nice and pure girl, really miss her

>>23092974
what a darling

ちゅうごくがわるいって

ＷＨＯは

かかないのん？

驕る平家は久しからず

>>23092705
all namefags like jamal and matto have to attack each other
it's part of the narcissism that makes them become namefags in the first place

>>23090993
i wish i had started learning when they were on /a/

what does /jp/ think of this?

http://www.britvsjapan.com/learn-kanji-fast-ultimate-guide-to-remembering-the-kanji/

ffs tenshi

>>23093391
why?

laugh all you want but you're not the one getting to live in japan and dick down a 3.75/10 qt on the regular

whats a routine for a 24/7 neet for learning jap?
just binge anime all day?

>>23093463
why? corona?

we're already in phase 6 global pandemic, WHO just won't say it because they don't want to make china look bad. that has been their main concern since this started and why it has gotten so bad.

hate to break it to you an outbreak is already underway in the US and many european countries.

>>23093525
you don't want to be in japan because of corona but corona is already in your country

you're not telling us anything intelligent

just let the elderly die. it's sad but they're very costly on our health system. other people may die because of a lack of resources but fuck it.

>>23093549
do your state have a lower population density than hokkaido? that's where the outbreak is worst in japan

>>23093542
>20% of all cases require hospitalization which will overwhelm our hospitals
in the uk the advice is already not to go to the doctor or hospital because it will probably just spread it more

you're supposed to ring a special number and self-quarantine until someone comes out to test you, though i presume if you get a really serious case they will put you in quarantine in hospital

member when this was 日本語 and not chink exterminator?

>>23093576
this

>>23090506
it's called a kana chart lmao wtf

>>23093636
what's her name

>>23093648
鳥人間 です～
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9euEX-wIsC8&

>>23093630
im talking about a book that has あ then ああ then あああ etc every single possible combination

>>23093677
mega low iq post

Why do so many posts get deleted here? Is this some new meme I haven't heard about?

>>23093736
why? if you learned all the possible sound combinations before you tried to learn vocabulary you'd just affix whatever word to the combination you already learned

>>23093751
you're really dumb, just listen to how a jp says words its not hard

>>23093764
it's just to help you memorize the vocabulary like rtk helps you memorize words because you already recognize the kanji it's the same principle

>>23093777
?? would you say 大きい like ooooooooki or ooki? or like oh oh ki?
how did a jap say it? will you never hear the word?

>>23093777
also rtk is fucking REMEMBERING THE KANJI NOT WORDS

>>23093668
toriningen chan does not appear in this music video!!!

>>23093777
you're too stupid to be real. i think it was a bait
if not... dear god

>>23093808
i never said rtk is remembering words i said it helps you learn words because you already memorized the kanji you guys are too dumb to even know what i mean. im saying if you see the word おおきい you can memorise it easier if you already finished the book im suggesting because one of the sound combinations you learn will be おおきい

>>23093831
i'm fucking dying why would you just learn the sound ooki but not the word it makes no sense

>>23093831
words are sounded out by individuel hiragana.
individuel hiragana.
should i repeat myself again?

>>23093841
it's easier to learn one thing at a time it's the same principle as rtk. you don't have to learn the kanji and the meaning and the pronunciation at once so it's easier

>>23093849
>you don't have to learn the kanji and the meaning and the pronunciation at once so it's easier
literal brainlet

>>23093848
that doesn't meant you know which ones are going to become words though that's what the book of all possible combinations is for

>>23093848
individual* it sounds stupid to repeat a misspelled word like that

>>23093858
shit bait kys

>>23093857
it's literally easier for everyone lol you're the brainlet if you don't agree that memorising less at one time is easier

>>23093913
grats. u got joke. here. for u

>>23093877
wonder how long before they get sick of moderating this place >for free and just decide to ban djt altogether

What does it mean when the tiny tsu is used at the end of a sentence?

it's the sound you make when i do this *shoves foot up ass*

woah like half the time i've encountered 星 it refers to a planet why didn't tae kim know that

Lads, if I wanted to say "I posted the wrong version of the image, sorry."
Would "間違ったのバージョンを投稿しました、すみません"　be appropriate?
Or am I being stupid here?

>>23094012
yes

>>23094012
I'll let you know in 1 or 2k more hours after I've encountered that kind of phrase in media

>>23094034
kek

>>23093987
cool story tripfaggot

>>23085062
>Add {{Sentence-Image}} under the <br> at the bottom of the "Back Template" section.
?

this thread isn't reddit tier?

>>23093370
the guy is an idiot, sucks at japanese and is merely parroting cult learning dogma because he is ignorant of all better approaches

prove he sucks at japanese quiz you little twerp oh wait britvsjapan is an actual doer and you're just a lameass taking kanji quizzes lol

the only thing he does is 3/10 nip pussy

https://streamable.com/z20cx

if you have vsjapan in your name you already lost the nihongo game

when will 意志 stop sounding like いしゅう to me

私は日本と争った
でも日本が勝った

how to one up on this britbong kid, should i fuck some 4/10 nip manko

>>23094434
wtf

what the fuck does that mean?
"You can't go outside with a figure like that" ?
"You can't go there with those forms?"

>>23094476
it means ’damn you look ridiculous bro what the fuck’

>>23094492
>>23094519
>>23094525
thanks

thinking about becoming even more cool

>>23094476
and when i say no one here helps, people tell me im crazy.
well it means "you shouldnt go outside looking like that"

>>23094565
it does help for the same reason english subs work. you're so fucking inconsistent it's disgusting

he should have just felt it out

>>23094565
at least i tried. what did you do? meme?

>>23094577
you kidding, right?

*gives you input*

very sad seeing an old man finally losing his mind all that is left to jamal now is spread the negative energy of his demise to everyone around him

where the fuck is my doujin of the day
and why the fuck hasnt anyone posted wotd yet

wotd
【範疇】（ ハンチュウ ）
pitch: heiban
definition:
>同じような性質のものが含まれる範囲。
examples:
>きっと日常の範疇の入るレベル
>あんなの冗談の範疇でしょ？

Anybody have the link to the japanese pod 101 mega? Cant seem to find it

>>23094641
thanks just acquired this

im back after a 4 day hiatus (read:ban)) bros, any important happenings that i missed?

watched this yesterday, was fun

>>23094688
janny cant read 車
qm being qm again & tobira guy being annoying faggot

>>23094694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8
same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was

>>23090436
maybe
depends what u mean by making it

hey kid want some cards?

>>23094795

dotd
> [くりもも (つかこ)] うづきルーム (アイドルマスター シンデレラガールズ)
exhentai.org/g/1579373/1915461def/

just acquired 億劫

>>23093489
no

whos that one guy who reads a bunch of vn's and never used anki not rarepotato the other one

observing か細い