/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>45. Secret Anatomy Bureau · Materials Department [Organization]
>A division that creates props for digging and exploring Albion. It has a "composite workshop Cleegera", which is rare in nature as a mage's workshop. Because it requires mass production of the same thing, it is made of several magician's workshops. It is said that in this Cleegera, the witch's heritage were once made.
>In addition, it is the department that promotes Albion's own research progress. Since the disappearance of the sinner Gazamy at the end of the last century, Albion's changes have become more intense, and their duties have become more onerous.

>>22731102
>>22623019

Shitty OP, stop fucking using the old version of the copy paste. Especially when I mentioned it last thread you fucking moron.

>>22728528
>because it's worse than what they had in every way? how are side-mouths and utterly fucked noses an improvement?
Well being an improvement or not depends on one's tastes so that is not the issue here.
Having more shit for a cropophiliac will be an improvement after all.
So, is there any objective reason to it besides one's tastes? Because people usually are very dramatic about current Takeuchi art when we have things that are literally technically worse than what he does.

>>22731545
>Since the disappearance of the sinner Gazamy at the end of the last century
>Gazamy

I'm currently reading FSN. On day 5, when Shirou decided to ask Rin about the identity of Berserker, the section's name is "Vela Gulf". I can't make head nor tail of this, is this a reference to something in the legend?

>>22731644

I'm not a fan of the rhinofaces but overall UBW TV's character design is my favorite adaptation of Takeuchi's art.

Ok guys this is it. I'm actually gonna translate Mahoyo. See you later in a few months.

>>22733292
Useless effort but alright anon.

>>22733308
Is this the fr -> en translation? Because if so I cannot believe you guys eat this crap.

>>22733499
I eat it because it isn't crap. You've been given a plate full of good food, but you refuse to eat it, nor even try it. It's been proven to be JP proofread and diverge from the French TL already, you're just being fucking stupid and wasting your god damn time. You can legit just download chapter 8 and check for yourself.
>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but its a double translation, i-i-i-i-it HAS to be bad anon you don't underst-t-t-tand?!?!?!?

>>22733530
Doing it the "Pevear and Volokhonsky" doesn't make it any better. But go off I guess.

I wonder where the other two anons who said they would translate Mahoyo are at.

>>22733587
>doesn't make it any better
The previous dude translated it directly from JP and it was full of mistranslations, so much so that he stopped translating halfway through the game because of it. So yes, it is better. Don't come in here with uneducated ignorance thinking you're some god translator because you know names. How about you actually read their translation before you start talking shit?

Just learn japanese, fags

>>22733595
They were joking, but I know this guy isn't. He just got kicked out of their discord for saying shit like this, and then *coincidentally* some random anon, only minutes after, says he's gonna translate it.

And before you say it, my discord is fucked, its an hour ahead. Message was sent at 4:53.

>>22733622
>So yes, it is better.
You're assuming something I never even said. it can certainly be better than the jp -> en translation, but that has no bearing on whether it is an actually good translation or not. With that out of the way,

>Don't come in here with uneducated ignorance thinking you're some god translator because you know names
Nope, being extremely suspicious of a double translation with "japanese proofreading" does not require being a god translator, nor of knowing names. Volokhonsky and Pevear are praised by popular media and rejected by several scholars precisely because despite their double translation style (with Pevear's wife, Volokhonsky, as the "first translator" and "proofread" ) which supposedly helps in "beautifying the prose" is trashy because it misses tons of nuances of text, since he - and the french-to-english translators - are not having contact with the ACTUAL text and being able to make decisions for themselves in a one to one correspondence. It can at most be pretty , but I find it unlikely that this can be an excellent translation.

>How about you actually read their translation before you start talking shit?
That's fair. But honestly since you trust this translation to actually worth something, I'll just take my leave and work on another TM project that's been on the back of my mind for a while.

>>22733595
I'm one of them.

>>22731102
meh op

>>22733667
I'll admit I got butthurt for being kicked out because of that, since I said it in jest, and I was actually interested in helping out with the proofreading. But the last thing I want to do is to step on someone else's shoes when they've put so much work and have confidence that this won't be a mess like most VN translation projects.

>>22733695
>which supposedly helps in "beautifying the prose" is trashy because it misses tons of nuances of text, since he - and the french-to-english translators - are not having contact with the ACTUAL text and being able to make decisions for themselves in a one to one correspondence. It can at most be pretty , but I find it unlikely that this can be an excellent translation.
Thanks for describing exactly what the previous translator did and the entirety of Cokesato's KnK translation. Both sacrifice the text at the purpose of the prose, and the French to English translation just doesn't do that. One thing you must note as well is that the French translation keeps the Nasuism intact, and since the French used in the TL is not difficult, old, or has complicated nuances, the English TL shouldn't have too much difficulty (indeed, in just 3 months or so they're already halfway through). The JP proofreading is probably there to catch mistranslations, localized materials and puns from the original, since the French to English should already keep the Nasuism intact. Its also worth noting that Pevear and Volokhonsky are much more complicated then Mahoyo, as /tmg/ especially, is completely wrong in its complexity.

>>22733785
*Pevear and Volokhonsky's translated texts, fuck me

>>22733772
Oof, bad luck then. One of the people on the team defended you and then another agreed with the kicking mod. I've been on the server since the post on BL, and surprisingly nobody no haters have joined since then (idk before), so maybe they were expecting someone to try eventually. I can probably make you an invite if you'd like.

>>22733841
The invite I got is still working. As long as the kicking mod is fine with that I'm willing to go back.

>>22733667
>my discord is fucked, its an hour ahead. Message was sent at 4:53
hello cibele

>>22733910
I just lurk, and I'm too afraid to ask the mod. Join back if you feel brave or something idk.

>>22734302
I'll just work on my other project. It's probably better if I focus on one thing at once. And it's something that I'm pretty sure a lot of people would like to see here and the community at large.

sorry for all of this shit, not everyone in the server share the same beliefs

id say don't be afraid to ask about stuff like this, most of us have an open mind. or so id like to believe

I'm just desperate, I'd take a japanese->chinese->korean->russian->french->english translation at this point

>>22734982
which is exactly why there's less and less fantranslations.

every translator knows their audience is perfectly line with eating shit, there's companies who do that as their business model.

>>22735092
what is this logic even lol

>>22734982
It always amuses me how it's the biggest, most desperate fans who care the least about the work in question. If you really cared, wouldn't you want the translation to be the best it can be, without settling for bad games of telephone that destroy the intended meaning and flow of the text and so on? Why would someone so desperate to read a work be so eager to see it destroyed, and then not even care? Is it the mere act of reading something that people care about, not the reading process itself, or the work itself? Just the experience of reading Mahoyo rather than Mahoyo itself?

Honestly, once again I am reminded that EOPs are disgusting subhumans. Reading posts like these gives me actual shivers that people this stupid and horrible exist in the world. That most "fans" of people in the world are brainless sheep who just cling to superficial experiences without making any effort on their end to do anything, because they might as well be dead. Brainless subhumans.

>>22735850
>EOPs
Hey, I know several languages, just not japanese.

>>22735948
Apparently you don't know English, since EOP ino the VN community refers to people who can't read the original Japanese. But thank you for once again proving yourself a brainless sheep that can at best horribly misinterpret things by looking only at the surface level.

>not this shit again

>tfw I can't read japanese but I can read french
lmao get rekt faggots

- Some things have changed in the last few years, but some things haven't.
- Ihihihihihihihi, that's the new nuclear bomb in the El-Melloi classroom, Lady Forklift to the Red Devil. Ki (Gi?) Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
- Sorry to keep you waiting!
- Oh, it's a nice invitation, but the question is, the door of that island has opened? The theories we bring out will determine our world.
- Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This is a comedy! This is a tragedy! At the very least, if you laugh off, you'll be grateful!
- But i'm sure this God, that is, we need to make Him return... The one has been eaten, the nameless God.
- You don't seem to be able to swallow it, but this is an urgent situation. The three great branches of Mage's Association may start eating and destroy one another if you carelessly play around.
- I never would have thought I would hear the name of the Rokugen(lit. Six Origin) of Atlas at a place like this.
- Tangere! Expand the Logic Detection Network and the Ether Collection Zone by a hundredfold!
- Master, please give me permission to remove restraints!

>>22735410
? imagine you're a resturant chef but are aware that your costumers are perfectly fine with you serving mcdonalds burgers.

>>22736424
Ahn, ok, but we have a joint that makes mcdonalds burgers daily and even with different flavors and types.
How the heck is that supposed to be quantitatively similar to translations nowadays?

>>22735982
da fuk people actually think japanese is as easy from a westerner to learn than french?
Are people really that dumb?
You that someone who knows a romance languange can pretty easily read another romance language with just small effort right?

>>22735957
>Apparently you don't know English
> since EOP ino the VN community
>VN community
Since when niche expressions from some weebs became official english lexis?

>>22735982
da fuk people actually think japanese is as easy for a westerner to learn than french?
Are people really that dumb?
You know that someone who knows a romance languange can pretty easily read another romance language with just small effort right?

>food analogies

>>22736424
More like... imagine you're a restaurant chef serving people quality food and your customers keep sending it back because they're entitled little shits calling them "mcdonalds burgers" acting like they have degrees in gastronomy when they themselves can barely judge the difference between a mcdonalds burger and a good fucking burger.
>>22735850
>disgusting subhumans
>people this stupid and horrible exist in the world
>brainless sheep who just cling to superficial experiences without making any effort on their end to do anything
Ouch the edge.
>>22736639
Not people, just people who browse jp.

>>22736659
Off tangent food topics are a key part of Fate Stay Night.

So glad I taught myself Japanese. Mahoyo is great.

/tmg/, you guys should start learning Japanese and then be just in time to read Tsukihime remake in moon when it finally comes out.
You can do it, anon-kun-tachi

>>22737730
I wish I'd started earlier. Nasu's writing is still too difficult for me.

>>22737748
Oh that's great, I have until the heat death of the universe to learn it then.

>not this shit again

>>22737799
Well, it's /tmg/, it's not like there's new stuff to talk about unless you want to discuss FGO.

I want to read fgo without the mobage medium. Am I an idiot?

>>22738075
FGO manga is actually decent. Turns out mobage is indeed a shitty medium.

>>22738059
This is unironically what will save this thread.
I would add Extella lore as well, as it is linked to fgo

>>22738075
>>22738103
Not only removing it from mobage medium but also removing the name Fate and making it an independent work.
The fact that fgo has fate elements put there for shitty reasons is what makes it even worse, like the need of cardboard MC.
Trashu would be just Trashu, no need to be a pseudo-shit.

>>22738486
More like kill it, the moment people start discussing Extella lore this thread is fucking dead.

>>22738594
Anon, this thread is ALREADY fucking dead.

>>22738059
There are some Case Files stuff right in this thread yet nobody care enough about it to discuss it seems.

is the person in charge of the TM mega folders in this thread?

>b grade noble phantasms (eg gae bolg, caliburn) just bounce off heracles
>random normal wolves easily bite into him

really activates those almonds

>>22738751
We barely have any info to work with beyond oh more waver.

>>22740483
> Caliburn
worst possible example you could have listed.

>>22740779
it's just the most famous b rank i could think of, you get the idea

>>22740483
weren't the wolves just for the anime?

>>22736325
Pretty hyped for this. CF was such a pleasant surprise.

What we need is a series about Reines and Olga. Waver is boring and his two blonde fags are annoying.

>>22741020
No, the wolves appear there in the VN. Look at the CG again but yes I agree somehow fucking wolves managed to injure Herc instead of Servant NPs. Fuck Nasu

>>22740483
T-those are A-class wolves, anon!

>>22740696
>Gazamy's first mention after CM3 (which was released almost 10 years ago)
>translation of the background text

>>22741323
Nah, Olga can fuck off. Reines is at her best when she's with the El-Melloi classroom or trying to deal with other mess on her own (her POV is really nice to read). The El-Melloi classroom is also a rare place where there's no conflict between the Aristocracy/Democracy/Neutral while Olga is still your usual aristocratic magus which lead to what happened between her and Reines in vol 10.
>his two blonde fags are annoying.
I disagree on this but since Rin is implied in the background text of the sequel announcement, it will take place after Svin's graduation.

>>22741323
>wants more Olga
>says Svin and Flat are annoying
The irony

>>22742192
>while Olga is still your usual aristocratic magus which lead to what happened between her and Reines in vol 10.
in what way is she your usual Aristocratic Magus and what happened between her and Reines
>>22742223
to be fair the anime only had them in the filler episodes and they were a little bit annoying or at least the one obsessed with gray or were they both obsessed with gray I can't remember but I am sure their better in the actual arcs

Svin is plain boring, Flat can be funny at times.

>>22742277
Personally i enjoy Svin's relationship with other characters and his struggle to be able to use the Beast magecraft as well as its dangerous downsides. Trying to "fit" in the society is also a nice point of Svin's character (hence he sympathizes with Gray but too bad thanks to the Beast magecraft, his impulse takes it too far).

>>22741403
>>22741847
I think that was explained retroactively by saying that God Hand wasn't active yet. Also in the VN the blood on Herc is from the wolves.

>>22738751
Just wait until we have proper scans.

>https://twitter.com/gravitypriest/status/1214989935675097088
Takeuchi does it again and he didn't even bother to redraw Rin's face since his artstyle became too expressionless to convey emotions beyond generic saberface smile.

>>22746867
To be honest this is the worst example you could have picked, Saber's eyes look fucking wack in the first pic.
>https://twitter.com/gravitypriest/status/1215019159421116423
In this one they make the Rin doll's panties shorter in the redraw for some reason.

The one I posted is by far the worst offender for me IMO, peak expressionless Takeuchi.

>>22747025
Saber's face on the left is adorable. New one is so fucking vapid

>>22747025
you are gay

Akiha describing domination is the most erotic thing in any eroge.

>>22748228
Alright lets break this down.
The face on the right looks extremely expressionless, makes Saber look more agender/masculine then she needs to be.
Thus, calling me gay would mean that preferring the left one is gay, yet the left one is the more feminine version.

so you are gay, bitch

>>22748373
cope

>>22746867
Rin's face was redrawn.
Her face is longer now and there's more space between her eyes and her nose.
Her eyes are also redrawn slightly, as is her nose.

>>22749212
if only they really cared for each other like that

Apparently Case Files mats also mentioned a bit about Luvia's twin sister. She is an introverted person, her personality is exactly the opposite of Luvia and her element is Fire. A marriage has been arranged and both the sister & her fiance are in love with each other.
Btw about the element of CF main cast, Reines has Water element while Svin has Fire (Ether for Flat and Earth for Waver and Gray but these already got brought up before the material book). Reines's entry also has some background info on her mother: her talent as a magus was very ordinary thus she failed to inherit her family's name but after that, she ended up getting married to the Archisorte and gave birth to several children.

>>22749507
Luvia twin is interesting but we are probably never going to see her play any role. It seems they wrote her that way just to explain the whole Scales thing.

>>22749245
In a yuri way?

Just finished FSN VN for the first time and now I'm feeling all melancholic and shit. Is it normal?

>>22751508
Hell yeah it is. Take a break for a few days and read Tsukihime later

>>22751615
I was thinking about reading HA first, then Tsukihime

>>22751508
Now go on to Hollow Ataraxia

>>22750650
no, in a filial way.

>>22741323
>Waver is boring
Go fix your taste.

>>22752524
not that anon but Waver is really boring at least in the anime he's pretty much just muh DUDE and I guess pulling answers to the mystery out of his ass he feels more like a plot device than a character

>>22747025
what is it with his new artstyle that makes the rhino noses so much worse

>>22752311
But they care? At the end of HF you see enough sisterly love.

>>22749212
Did Rin get her wisdom teeth removed?

>>22752929
It's the angle.

Realta Nua soundtrack > original VN soundtrack (except Emiya)
Fite me

is bazett autistic ?

>>22759393
she's cute, so either yes or no depending on your preferences.
but probably, she is incredibly obsessed with Cu, after all.

I'm kind of surprised of the new lore they crammed here.

People are saying on twitter that Case Files material sold out so fast that they couldn't buy it. The same thing happened during the pre-selling at C97 too, CF mats was sold out faster than FGO mats VII. Guess TM somewhat underestimated Case Files popularity, they should've stocked more copies.

>>22761654
Yeah, Sanda also made some tweets about that too.

>the Grand Order of the Eulyphis is to judge the differences between the first person who died and the last person who died and that way ascertain human growth. They were given excellent magic circuits to achieve it. That also means that it's their job to be there when the very last human being dies, the problem is that it creates a paradox as that would mean they are the last one. So solving that is part of the puzzle they were left with.
>It also kind of alludes to that saying that maybe "the first and last human" are not meant to be taken literally. And yeah, it says the Eulyphis also have a problem discerning what the "first human" means.

>>22763822
I want to marry this vampire.

>>22763822
I want to cut this vampire.

>>22746867
did he somehow make Sakura's boobs smaller again?

>>22763856
Based on what i saw on twitter it seems like CF material has more details/explanation on the Grand Order thing too. Really can't wait for the scan.
Anyway i wonder if we will ever know more "Grand Order" of other magus families too.

>>22763822
thats not kohaku

What features of the Nasuverse were able to draw you in the most?

Was it the proper seriousness with a change to comedy only in certain cases?
Did the aesthetics of the Takeuchi's art hook you?
Was it Nasu's magic system and lore? Nasu's themes about the loss of self-control, sins of the past, different ideals of heroism?
Or was it the choreography of the fight scenes with dynamic action/editing that is unique?

Would like to hear your opinions.

>>22767338
for better or worse, it was the almost limitless possibility for things to happen

>>22767338
Waifus

>>22749245
>if only they really cared for each other like that
???????????????????

>>22767951
If Nasu is a woman, then why is he so bad at writing strong female leads and female-fronted drama?

>>22768135
Because women don't like being strong

>>22768135
>then why is he so bad at writing strong female leads

Anon...

>>22768135
>then why is he so bad at writing strong female leads

> hen why is he so bad at writing strong female leads

"Fuck, I can't get through"
A city block in the Clock Tower.
While in the antechamber of the Modern Magecraft Department, Lord El-Melloi continuously called out in a frustrated voice while trying multiple times to make his mobile phone work.
A while ago, he heard the sound of a building crashing and after the call was abruptly cut, he couldn't make contact with Flat again.
"Should I call the police chief then? No, I don't have his personal number. It wouldn't be a good idea to just call the police."
After placing his hands on the table and thinking for a short while, he stood up as if he's decided on something.
"As long as I'm stuck here...there's nothing I can do. Gah."
The moment he opened the door, his body was shot back into the room. Firmly stuck and spread out along the entrance was a bounded field that imitated a white snake.
"This obstinately woven magical formula...one of Adashino's bounded fields! Policies... They're willing to go this far!"
Looking out the window, he saw Policies' Gordolf Musik accompanied by several homunculi. It seemed Lord El-Melloi II had been placed on complete house arrest.
"What to do... should I contact Reines or Melvin..."
El-Melloi II was thinking about such things when -
Suddenly, he noticed a familiar sound ringing throughout the room.
In a corner of the antechamber, there was small vanity case.
It was a box he would usually put his spare cigars, but now there seemed to be an electronic ringing coming from within.
Puzzled, he opened to box, and tilted his head after seeing what was inside.
"What's this...? Just a moment ago, this was..."
It appeared within the box without anyone's knowledge, and playing an out of date ringtone -
Was a single mobile phone, bluer than Lapis Lazuli.

>>22749245
Always found it strange how little Rin seemed to care about how Sakura was treated by the Matous.

>>22768192
>>22768264
>>22768305
Aoko is pretty mediocre. Touko would have been the better lead.

>>22768629
You wanna rephrase that, buddy?

>>22768629
Confirmed EOP KnKfag who only knows Aoko from Melty and Tsukihime.

>>22768896
Alternatively he could just have a case of the bad taste.

>>22768900
He would have bad taste regardless, that comes with the statement.

>>22767338
>Was it Nasu's magic system and lore?
This one. I'm a huge sucker for this kind of shit.

>>22769252
I'm not, it has so many dumb ideas.
Also anything in TM with stats is always going to be contradicted in practice.

>>22767338
This question makes me wonder if I'm just an oldfag or something.

Loved KnK, Tsukihime, FSN, Zero but can't get into things like Apocrypha, El Melloi, the current Babylonia anime. What's even fundamentally different about those?

>>22767338
>Was it the proper seriousness with a change to comedy only in certain cases?
Not overly, I tend to prefer the other way around.
>Did the aesthetics of the Takeuchi's art hook you?
Kinda, I mean the aesthetics are good in the old works, the art really wasn't but at least the designs were solid.
>Was it Nasu's magic system and lore? Nasu's themes about the loss of self-control, sins of the past, different ideals of heroism?
Yes and no, I would keep much of it but scrap the rest, or alter a crapton.
The exploration of ideals is solid.
>Or was it the choreography of the fight scenes with dynamic action/editing that is unique?
This is not mentioned that much in regards to the best aspects of the VN's, but it is the most solid aspect typically.
If you wanna be good at chunni, you need memorable fights.

The actual answer is far more simple for me.
Characters, it is that simple.

>>22769275
It is a long story, explained many times.
Zero was the turning point in regards to Fate, a super successful work by a contributing writer set the stage for everything now.
Fate took over TM long ago, and it really is stagnation and ideas for the sake of them that has led to a decay in quality.

The last thing TM did out of passion was Mahoyo, and sadly the general public had simply moved on.
The whole Mahoyo situation is still hotly debated, generally it was too short for the money asked, and the unfortunate delays did not help.

By the time of release, everything else was Fate every other thing being actively worked on, there is no future for anything else.

>>22769326
Man I keep forgetting about Mahoyo.

Yeah, it feels like core TM isn't even trying anything new anymore. The only thing non-Fate is a remake over a decade in the making.

>>22768629
>he hasn't read Mahoyo

>>22763856
>>22764679
Who gave these grand orders, anyway? I only know Goetia picked 72 families that 'strayed' away from Solomon to issue his Grand Order. And Animusphere Grand Order was inherited by Kirsch.

>>22749507
What is Olga's?

So the current FGO arc will lead to Land of Steel in every single timeline, right? It'll inevitably happen in FSN too. That "mage" ritual.

>Loli Da Vinci's profile foreshadows
>Man of Chaldea says the planet is doomed.

>>22768135
Also her and Sion, tell me that they're fucking bad faggot, you probably dont even belong to this community and probably have never read any VN of TM.

>>22769917
Her element? It didn't get mentioned though.

>>22770001
My wife Bazett is so cute

>>22768192
>>22768264
>>22768305
I love Aoko!

Is it just me or some of the fate spin offs just tries to hard being something it isn't?

>>22770097
>>22770699
Fine taste my dude, I'm more attracted to Alice but Aoko and bazett are very good indeed. This is crazy how Alice grew up on me each days i'm more and more an Alicefag I just love her so much.

You know it's gonna be weird to go back to voice-less VNs when reading Mahoyo, I mean, I've read Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya so it's not like I've never read a VN without voices, but after Fate and other VNs I've read it just feels weird to read a VN without it.

finished mahoutsukai and its so mediocre

>>22772686
Nice try Satan.

>>22772686
Classic Nasu, now he's trying to delete the past in the west community too.

Aoko is a wonder of the universe.

>>22770699
>>22772831
Aoko bless.

>>22731102
So it looks like I have a problem.
In August 2019, I decided to get acquainted with the Type-Moon universe. I knew about it for a long time and many years ago I received a lot of spoilers from my "friends", recently I completely went through "Tsukihime" and almost to the end of "Fate". I am not a hater of any of the girls, although I confess that while I go through heaven's feel it was literally physically hard for me (Sakura did nothing wrong).
Tsukihime I quickly ran my eyes for the N-scenes (I was told this shit novel), later, on the advice of a friend, I paid attention to Akiha route. You know, I’ve been watching anime since 2011 at school, I was a soldier in the war, participated in fights with bad guys, helped a lot of people (hi Shirou), lost my virginity a long time ago and novels were nothing new to me. I don’t have any illusions about girls, I don’t expect anything and do not demand any care, but then I just melted away. I saw a girl who just loves a good guy and just takes care of him as best she can, a small, thin girl carrying such a burden on her thin shoulders that helps and cares for you in every story. I was extremely moved, I went through her route several times, I downloaded tons of pictures and artworks with her, now I don’t know what to do and whether I’m doing the right thing. This is a damn painted schoolgirl, and I’m already over 20, I don’t want to be a pedophile, I always forbade myself to think that a girl can really love or care, I always thought that I should hide my weaknesses and passions and simply do not wait for any love, but here, for the first time in many years, I’m so pleased and would like it like that, I think about this character and whether there are such girls, for the first time I feel so good and warm in my heart.
Have you had anything like that, anon? Is what I'm thinking okay?

>>22773073
Yes, it's ok. Loving Akiha as a character isn't even remotely pedophiliac.

>>22773073
If you are thinking about it that hard, it must be a genuine concern.
From my pov, I never made such a connotation.

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>>22773073

Trust me your not the only one. I heard a something similar like this expect it was for asuka evangelion but it can be anyone as well.

>>22769968
>I made note that the redacted mage named fit Marisbury
>nooooooooo denial first
Now it's happening. The man who killed Gaia.

>>22774238
They'll find a way to make the protagonists survive somehow. The world of FGO dies, but through the power of friendship and love they all live. The end.

>>22773073
You're fine. Good taste akiha is great.

>>22774513
The ritual will happen in every timeline. It was in the 70s in Extra.

>>22779087
>They'll find a way to make the protagonists survive somehow.
And anyway, the people in Extra aren't dead. Magecraft is. I don't see how this is relevant.

>>22779087
Oh and not every timeline. The pole shift happens in every timeline but the ritual doesn't have to be the cause of it. Case in point, Tsuki no Sango.

https://nyaa.si/view/1211907
Return to Avalon artbook scan

>>22774513
How?

>>22785850
They'll introduce a character that revives them or something. Its good to note that FGO has not had any meaningful deaths, and every time it "does" its either:

1. Character gets revived later/shown to not have died and be alive, this is usually done to create fake impact and emotional attachment to the character
2. The character death is inside a singularity, so it really doesn't matter because they were fated to die anyway, and regardless if they didn't you wouldn't meet the same character again because singularities close

It's likely they'll stop the Aylesbury ritual which is my theory, or they'll find some cop-out if the ritual does go through. Like in Fate/Kaleid, there's a perfectly normal parallel world in contrast to the one with dried up mana. In Extra, there's the Moon Cell. Nasu doesn't make stories like Notes or Tsuki no Sango anymore. FGO is no exception.

>>22786727
Meteor should get his shit together and save Type Moon.

>>22787311
He's working on Fate/Requiem, so I really don't think so. Girls' Work announcement 2020? lol

>>22787440
I'm still mad.
And at this pace he will never even finish it.

>>22786727
>It's likely they'll stop the Aylesbury ritual which is my theory, or they'll find some cop-out if the ritual does go through.
Is the Aylesbury ritual even a thing in FGO timeline?

>>22788288
It's possible, I was just responding to someone who brought up the possibility. It's something Nasu hasn't explored properly yet, since Tsukihime 2 never came out, and with FGO's popularity anything is possible.

>>22788374
I mean, 27 DAAs Organization isn't a thing there so i don't think Aylesbury could happen. That and given by what Zepia said in Case Files + the timeline in CF mats, it's very likely that the battle between Zelretch and Crimson Moon is the divergence point of Fate/Tsuki worldlines and Crimson Moon is dead for good in Fate.

>>22782396
Thanks bro. Also pic related

>>22787440
And Requiem vol 2 is currently being delayed for unknown reason. Pretty weird considering it already had a TVCM some months ago with new illustrations.

is it worth going through Ciels arc? Was going through the game trying to be on good terms with both arcueid and ciel with the intention of doing arcuieds arc, but am up to the part where i team up with ciel (after erasing everyones memory in school).

>>22789217
Ciel is kinda just a rehash of Arc's route but I think it's worth it. Personally I'd say do Arc first but it's pretty interchangeable.

>>22789217
Her route, you mean? It's mostly the same as Arc's route save for some major deviations and the endings. There's a lot of repeated text between the two. It does have some good scenes, though. And also the best (worst?) good ending in the game.

>>22789232
>>22789233
Thanks bro(s). Im on day 9 of ciel so was just wondering if its worth restarting all over to try and get arcueid (cus i hear its a better route).

>>22789268
I just finished replaying both. Arc's really feels like it was meant to be played first, and despite being similar ceil's feels like an escalation of it.

type moon is a fucking joke, they drop everything for FGO and yet somehow FGO has one of the worst development schedules of any mobage.

>>22790016
counterpoint: it made infinity dollars last year and you'd be a goddamn fool to not put your entire staff on it

>>22790100
I think his point is that, despite it making a shitgazillion dollars every second and having everyone and their mother is working on it, FGO has a surprisingly slow development cycle and barely any content actually gets put out for it when you consider the amount of time between major updates. Kinda makes you wonder what they're even doing.

>>22788678
I don't understand Takeuchi. He will go out of his way to add his copypasta rhinoface but he won't fix the lack of hair vents. Ok.

Remember Aoko is a submissive bitch who would erase the memory of her friend who killed himself to save her simply to please her floating orb grandpa.

>>22790016
It's irrelevant. FGO prints money no matter what Aniplex does. FGO players are zombies. Aniplex knows it and just doesn't care.

>>22791254
LOL this guy definitely didn't finish the game.

>>22790241
Shopping for solid gold racecars.

>>22791666
Actually read the the vn before replying please.

>>22791772
>Aoko explicitly makes clear to the reader she doesn't want to erase his memory
>She herself is also getting her memory erased
>Literally the scene after credits is Aoko finding the book containing the rune of oblivion (location? how to make it? can't remember), and purposely hiding the book so Soujuurou keeps his memories
You absolute moron. This is without taking into consideration that Alice wasn't bothered by Aoko taking Soujuurou to her grandfather, which basically means Alice didn't think Soujuurou's memory would get erased in the first place. It also doesn't take into consideration the control her grandfather has over her own Magic, which is made unclear to the reader, but we know he has a portion.

>>22791868
>Aoko explicitly makes clear to the reader she doesn't want to erase his memory
Hum, don't really agree on the interpretation but anyway she was going to do it without opposing it even a little so it doesn't change my point.
Now, my post OP was more of a joke and very clearly exaggerating.

>>22791254
Don't worry pal Mahoyo will be in English so you can read it eventually

>>22779474
Every relevant timeline.

>>22786727
Roman.
Olga.
Ophelia.
No those fakes are not them.

>>22788288
No. Animusphere ritual.

>>22792432
>Olga
He said meaningful death that was incredibly stupid and pointless death scene

>>22792057
>without opposing it even a little
Her initial opposition was not killing him and letting him live. Most Magi, including herself, don't even let them live. It's also a crime against the Association to let them live, and from how they act I'd assume memory erasure and letting them live freely is grounds for crime. And as Alice pointed out, unlike Rin who ordered Archer to go kill Shirou (and definitely would have), Aoko would have never killed Soujuurou.
>>22792405
Doesn't and can't happen in Fate timelines. It happened in the Extra timeline because that was before the Tsuki and Fate worlds split. But now they do, and the DAA doesn't exist in Fate worlds, thus can't happen. Whatever BS Reddit crap these anons are mentioning is way out of left field, what the fuck is the Animusphere ritual and where is the source for that shit.
>>22792432
>Roman.
A character without personality or purpose that serves to dump exposition gets a role at the very end of the game, dies, and then everyone moves on like he never existed. Thanks anon, you got me.
>Olga.
We didn't even know her. Her death was so irrelevant that at the end of the game legit no one even mentioned her. It was shock-value anon.
>Ophelia.
...wasn't she an enemy? I thought the bad guys are supposed to die?

>>22791254
Imagine being this retarded.

>>22791868
>She herself is also getting her memory erased
?

>>22792716
She says this in Chapter 13, what do you mean? Go back and reread it (or go read it for the first time). She doesn't follow Soujuurou because her grandfather wanted to see him alone. But she mentions that it's not only Soujuurou who's getting his memories messed with or it wouldn't make sense (Soujuurou is surprised by this, and realizes that Aoko isn't happy with this either). Both have to act like strangers to each other after the fact.

>>22792475
Roman had a personality and a purpose though. Hell more than Tsuki cumdumps like Hisui or Ciel. Olga has a focus on the prologue she dies and appears in prequels and other works.
Ophelia was an "enemy" who was the herione potetial best friend and died to save everyone. Again she also was more distintive than shit like Hisui.

>>22792475
Uh no. Nasu never said was relatef to vampires. And yes it happens in EVERY timeline even after LE clarification. Fsn is just doomed without Mooncell or Chaldea ex machina. No wonder Gil was trying to start shit There.

>>22793137
>Roman had a personality
No not really he other than that stupid obsession with the virtual idol and wasn't said at some point that even that little bit of personality was fake
>Olga's focus in the prolouge was mainly just providing expostion to the dumb self insert and her death scene was the most pointless shit flarous ignores the last master and wastes his time torturing the already dead person and even says cause it would be boring for her to peacefully dissapper I mean it's as if he came out and said hold on this upcoming scene is mindless shock value you might as well just hit that handy skip button it's not worth bothering to read I think people forget just how retarded that scene is

>>22793239
Shit last time I post from my phone messed up the green text

>>22793239
Except he was self loathing, kind, hard working and you know his hobbies and likes. Already more than Hisui who was a non character in Tsukihime or hell Tohno another non character.
And Olga shock value scene made her get more characterization than the plot device that was isnt sad?

>>22793461
>you know his hobbies and likes
and what are his hobbies and likes besides virtual idol
>hard working
so were told but we never really saw it
>kind
has no problem burning down cities or working for marisbury I mean I know Nasu wants us to see him as kind but it just doesn't work
> self loathing
eh I suppose he insulted himself one or twice but he never really felt that self loathing
>Olga shock value scene made her get more characterization
in what fucking way did that idiotic scene give her more characterization
> Hisui who was a non character in Tsukihime or hell Tohno another non character
I only read the manga so I can't really comment on Hisui but she has her own route so you have got be trolling and Shiki has plenty of character a million times that than your shitty self insert Gudao what do you even come here for

>>22793181
>Nasu never said was relatef to vampires.
> - Ritual established by Crimson Moon
> - It's named the Aylesbury ritual because its being set up in a town named Aylesbury where the owner of the lands is a fucking Dead Apostle
> - Requires 6 DAA members to even fucking work
Jesus Christ you fucking retarded FGO cuck.
>And yes it happens in EVERY timeline even after LE clarification.
It literally fucking can't. How can a ritual established by DAA members happen in a timeline where they don't even fucking exist. Tsuki no Sango is baseline proof you fucking sack of worthless shit.
>No wonder Gil was trying to start shit There.
What are you even talking about anymore.

Samefag for the next 10 replies incoming.

>Hell more than Tsuki cumdumps like Hisui or Ciel.
Maybe read the VN before you say things like this? Also, ironic, FGO is all cumdumps.
>who was the herione potetial best friend and died to save everyone
>sort of redeemable villain who gets redeemed but dies by doing so
Definitely never ever have heard of this trope. Moving on.
>Olga has a focus on the prologue she dies and appears in prequels and other works.
> 1. Character gets revived later/shown to not have died and be alive, this is usually done to create fake impact and emotional attachment to the character
Moving on.
>Except he was self loathing, kind, hard working and you know his hobbies and likes.
It's so vague that its clear you yourself don't even know his personality. And implying since he has hobbies and likes it gives him a personality is the most basic bitch neckbeard thing I've heard this year so far.
>Already more than Hisui who was a non character in Tsukihime or hell Tohno another non character.
Making it clearer you haven't read the VN, moving on.
>And Olga shock value scene made her get more characterization than the plot device that was isnt sad?
IDK what language this is, but it sure isn't English.
Go back to fgog

>>22793538
Not him however:
>and what are his hobbies and likes besides virtual idol
He likes mystery novels, he's a fan of Sherlock Holmes and loves literature and reading too, aside of his supposed like for virtual idols.
He also loves Japanese weeb shit, and Japanese food and sweets.

>so were told but we never really saw it
We did though. Are you a secondary in FGO as you are in Tsukihime by your own admission? He managed a headquarters for a years with minimal staff that were not even qualified for their new positions. We see him working all time without taking a break on the mission control too. By London you know all his traits.

>has no problem burning down cities or working for marisbury
Oh so you're a secondary for FGO. Fuyuki was never set on fire in the game, in fact Roman is puzzled of why is on fire at all because such thing never happened in 2004. This is brought up twice. Anime took liberties I suppose and anyway, that's irrelevant to Roman when Solomon would obey any order even killing himself because of his nature. Which in itself is a difference from Roman. Roman as you know if you're an anime secondary, spent a year as wandering doctor in disaster zones and to study for his degree and was immediately questioning Marisbury when he witnessed the experiment he kept behind his back. He even sought to help Mashu which wasn't in Marisbury's agenda or care about. He's with Da Vinci the ONLY one in Chaldea who raised a fuss about Mashu. That tells you a lot about how their moral compass was.

>eh I suppose he insulted himself one or twice but he never really felt that self loathing
He has a breakdown in London which makes him put himself down. Again, did you play FGO?

Also your estimation "nobody cares he died", dude, he's one of the game most popular characters, he's hijacked interludes and scenes about how Chaldea is following his legacy, Mashu has a nervous breakdown at the idea of leaving her room, she's tearing up when the fake appeared because she wants to meet and thank the real one. Thinking his fucking death didn't impact is hilarious. In comparison to Ilya, who died and nobody brought her up in HF, Sacchin, and others Roman is the singlehanded death which gets to impact the plot and brought up (including by Chaldea staff which thinks they are worse off without him carrying them). Nasu even made an april's fools about him waving goodbye, and a short story in his blog with the protag depressed about his death.

I'm not going to disagree on you with Olga, because I thought she was pretty pointless character and her death was dumb. Shiki is even less than Gudao in Tsukihime though. The manga fixed it sure, but he's not like Shirou a character who has an actual characterization. I felt he was worse than Gudao because was an edgy self insert whose entire story and choices change randomly in routes without an integral reason (as Shirou did). Shirou is with Aoko and co still the only good protagonists Nasu did, Shiki, Guda, Hakuno are all variants of the same steaming piece of shit.

>>22793871
*his room.

>>22793635
The ritual is a magi ritual not a DAA one, this is now confirmed by Nasu. It happened in Extra during the 70s, but in the other timelines, it happens in 20XX.
Don't push your headcanon about DAAs, it is irrelevant. It's now a magi ritual. Whether is due to Animusphere or because of the Arthur cult (which also are on the area and are actually important plot wise), we don't know.

>>22793871
>He managed a headquarters for a years with minimal staff that were not even qualified for their new positions. We see him working all time without taking a break on the mission control too
It was one year you braindead gachafag and what we saw was him constantly screwing around with the virtual idol shit
>Oh so you're a secondary for FGO. Fuyuki was never set on fire in the game, in fact >Roman is puzzled of why is on fire at all because such thing never happened in 2004
watch episode 0 of the babylonia anime you ignorant retard the city is in flames as he talks to marisbury
>Roman as you know if you're an anime secondary, spent a year as wandering doctor in disaster zones and to study for his degree and was immediately questioning Marisbury when he witnessed the experiment
he knew Marisbury had no problem burning down a city for his goals if nothing else
> he's one of the game most popular characters
cause he has ton of a screentime, a lot of shilling from the game, a fujobait design, and a fujobait relationship with marisbury
>Mashu has a nervous breakdown at the idea of leaving her room
when the fuck did this happen
>Roman is the singlehanded death which gets to impact the plot
yes his death deus ex machinaed the big bad of part 1 away truly great writing
>He's with Da Vinci the ONLY one in Chaldea who raised a fuss about Mashu
Olga was pretty horrified to learn of her father's experiments and agreed to let Mash out even though she thought it would end with Mash killing her (seriously what the fuck is the point of adding this shit to a character who just dies right away in cheap shock value death)
>Shiki is even less than Gudao in Tsukihime though. The manga fixed it sure
well I only know the manga but it's basically impossible to be less than Gudao
> felt he was worse than Gudao because was an edgy self insert
complaining about self inserts while defending fgo that's rich

>>22793635
>secondary unmasked to talk shit
Irony. Hisui has so little character her route was about Shiki bedridden and going insane. Feat the cunt to fuck. There was more about Akiha and a set up for her superior sister.

>>22793967
>It was one year you braindead gachafag
No, it was a year and half, you ridiculous secondary-kun.

>and what we saw was him constantly screwing around with the virtual idol shit
Not at all. He carried Fuyuki, Septem, also Okeanus insome areas. You should drop the selective reading. Nero wanted to make him his new court magus to replace Simon Magus because he was strategizing and being her war counselor.

>watch episode 0 of the babylonia anime you ignorant retard
I did, so? Anime=/=game, you "ignorant retard." The 'flashback' scene in the game happens before the Great Grail and is established there was never a fire in Fuyuki in 2004 both in the prologue and later in Vlad's interlude where Roman talks about how surprised he's with the fire with Guda and Vlad. The fire is just recognizable for viewers "shit went down." Like how Marisbury wears his chaldea uniform and so do Roman, it's not meant to be fucking LITERAL.

>he knew Marisbury had no problem burning down a city for his goals if nothing else
Yes, and? He knew his means were bad, but his goals were good and he needed to use Chaldea for his goal to unfuck the incinirated world. So?

>cause he has ton of a screentime, a lot of shilling from the game, a fujobait design, and a fujobait relationship with marisbury
What shilling? Da Vinci has more screentime and she's not even 1/10 as popular, and she has two playable versions. Fujobait design and relationship with Moriarty isn't saving Holmes who, by now, has more screentime than Roman and is less popular too. Also Marisbury was thought to be an old man until recently.

>when the fuck did this happen
Prologue of Part 2.

>yes his death deus ex machinaed the big bad of part 1 away truly great writing
how can it be a deus ex machina when it was about him fighting his other self? You're so funny.

>Olga
I don't care about Olga. I only know that TWO people cared enough to include her and that was Da Vinci and Roman. As for Olga "caring" - We also have Roman's word about how she 'cared' and he deforms the truth all the time to make other people look better, like how she wanted this "Grand Order" when it wasn't Olga's instructions at all. Right now it's known as Roman's grand order for a good reason. The Grand Order Olga refers in MLR is again the same thing Kirsch references (also uses the same label).

>well I only know the manga but it's basically impossible to be less than Gudao
Shiki has no clear characterization, he's a void in the VN, a blank except with sometimes random rapists thoughts which are artifficially inserted, and his entire motivation is inconsistent. He's really a badly written blank.

I hate Guda. I hate Shiki. And I hate Hakuno.

Shirou is in my opinion, the only worthwhile "silent" protagonist. I wouldn't call Aoko a silent one.

>>22793907
>Don't push your headcanon about DAAs
Headcanon? Go fucking read Talk/Prelude holy fucking shit this is the worst fucking shit I've ever heard. Mage ritual? Wtf.

>>22792475
>Her initial opposition was not killing him and letting him live.
After he saved her life two times in the same night.
Again, I was mostly joking and blowing things out of proportion, it's obvious she cares about him and she's sad she has to get rid of both their memories, but it's also true she was going to go through with it because she didn't want to disobey her grandfather.
But again, the scene right after is just a super sweet moment between the two where it's made clear how she views him and Alice.
>Alice wasn't bothered by Aoko taking Soujuurou to her grandfather, which basically means Alice didn't think Soujuurou's memory would get erased in the first place.
Or maybe, despite her obvious affection for Shizuki, she didn't want to oppose Aoko's whises or the house of magus who owns the land she lives in. I don't think even a this point she would be proactive enough to take this kind of action so maybe she just hoped something would happen.
But it was strange to see her not react at all, maybe, though very unlikely, she simply didn't know.
> It also doesn't take into consideration the control her grandfather has over her own Magic, which is made unclear to the reader, but we know he has a portion.
Now I don't remember that being implied at all but it's been a while. Wouldn't it be weird though? I don't really see how two people could control the same Magic, especially when her grandfahter already passed down the family crest and Aoko opened the gate to the root herself, something I took as her activating and taking complete ownership of Blue.

>>22794069
That shit have nothing to do with Fate. Nasu said in his blog, he never thought Tsukihime and Fate taking place in the same setting and world at all. That was a misunderstanding by the readers.
Your headcanon is funny but that ritual is a mage ritual according to Nasu. We know two rituals right now that can potentially fuck things up: one is the arthur cult, and another is Animusphere bullshit.

>>22792475
>what the fuck is the Animusphere ritual and where is the source for that shit.
Last Encore, you fucking ignorant ape.

>>22794084
Misunderstanding? It's not a mage ritual. Talk/Prelude was written by fucking who do you think. Please read what was to be Tsukihime 2's prequel writing.

>>22794092
>Last Encore, you fucking ignorant ape.
Oh sorry, you mean that anime no one liked because it was straight trash and completely incomprehensible? This is such a reddit canon from people who watched that shit.

>>22794092
No one watched that.

>>22794095
Talk/Prelude have nothing to do with what happened in Extra world. Stop bringing up ancient BL wankfest fan theory.

>>22794116
>ancient BL wankfest fan theory
It was written by Nasu you fucking retard.
>nothing to do with what happened in Extra world
It was literally the Aylesbury ritual that happened in the Extra world. You are so delusional you can't make the obvious conclusion that the game states that a certain ritual drained the mana from the world (HINT HINT fucking dumbass, the Aylesbury ritual because none of your FGO shitty canon existed).

Wasn't it that the DAA do exist in fate timelines but they aren't as strong 'cause humanity order something bullshit so they never "form" the organization of 27 DAA?

>FGO hating '''primaries''' of /tmg/ never actually played Tsukihime
>same '''primaries''' wiki talk/prelude and try to meme a fan theory that's confirmed debunked
Embarrassing.

Here's the deal (actual facts):
>during the 70s, a magus made a ritual that damaged the core of the planet and depleted the mana fast
>this led to a land of steel scenario as in the planet is dying/dead, but isn't connected to notes (it's already established humanity would leave the planet)
>This ritual takes place in the XXI century in other Fate timelines
We don't know the details of who is the mage behind this, but the redacted dude's name coincidently matches "Marisbury." The one whose family magecraft is about using the mana from celestial bodies if their ritual works. Right now, all over FGO, there are hints about this lostbelt shit going to lead to the land of steel too, so it adds more fuel to the "it's that motherfucker and not the crazy Saberface cult."

>>22794084
>he never thought Tsukihime and Fate taking place in the same setting and world at all.
http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/log/201704.html
Here's your shitty canon. It existed 6 years after Extra was made. You're delusional.

>>22794125
>It was written by Nasu you fucking retard.
No, it never was, it was always a fan theory that DEFORMED what Nasu said.

>It was literally the Aylesbury ritual that happened in the Extra world.
No.

>>22794147
Now look at the original text, he never said they take place in the same world, he's only speaking about chronologically Tsukihime takes place before 2004.

>>22794148
>No, it never was, it was always a fan theory that DEFORMED what Nasu said.
Thanks for proving you haven't read it, the existing translation is so literal it legit can't be interpreted in any other way.

>>22794058
>he needed to use Chaldea for his goal to unfuck the incinirated world. So?
jesus fucking christ how fucking stupid are you the world wasn't incarcerated Roman didn't know what was going to happen in fact he wasn't 100% sure anything was going to happen
> never a fire in Fuyuki in 2004 both in the prologue and later in Vlad's interlude where Roman talks about how surprised he's with the fire with Guda and Vlad
okay first of all this game has shit retconned all the time you delusion faggot remember how originally Mash hadn't met Da Vinci. Second of all you talked about episode 0 >Roman as you know if you're an anime secondary, spent a year as wandering doctor in disaster zones and to study for his degree and was immediately questioning Marisbury when he witnessed the experiment he kept behind his back
so you can't suddenly go it doesn't count
third of all that episode was specially written by Nasu I am pretty sure it's meant to be cannon
> He carried Fuyuki, Septem, also Okeanus insome areas. You should drop the selective reading. Nero wanted to make him his new court magus to replace Simon Magus because he was strategizing and being her war counselor.
he couldn't even remember to put the masters in cyro in Fuyuki (not that it mattered in the end cause some how even with servants like Nightgale they didn't get healed until after part1 and all left anway so Gudao can conveniently be the only master again) and what oh so great strategies did he come up with in Septem I am pretty sure I remember Nero just being impressed with his Chaldea's ability to communicate through time and space not that I care Nero thinks
>What shilling? Da Vinci has more screentime
no she doesn't and you seriously forgetting shit like them throwing a fit at Schez being all how dare you insult his sacrifice he was the greatest not that she actually insulted him in anyway
> As for Olga "caring" - We also have Roman's word about how she 'cared' and he deforms the truth all the time to make other people look better
oh yes I'm sure he made it up for no fucking reason jesus your delusion
> he deforms the truth all the time to make other people look better
fucking when
>like how she wanted this "Grand Order" when it wasn't Olga's instructions at all. Right now it's known as Roman's grand order for a good reason. The Grand Order Olga refers in MLR is again the same thing Kirsch references (also uses the same label)
I don't know what your talking about with the Krisch Grand Order shit but Olga defiantly thought she was protecting humanity she wasn't in on the lostbelt shit

>>22794152
I advise you to do the same, where the interviewer literally says "which has the same background setting as Fate/Stay night" and Nasu still responds to his question in a normal manner.

Chronology doesn't apply to parallel worlds. If Nasu was consistent, he would have corrected him here. The blogpost (which I know you can't read) is the first time Nasu split the worlds apart, in 2017 when the shitty canon already existed.

And you might not know this since you've never read FSN, but the end of HF makes an explicit reference to Touko because the worlds weren't split, and Archer got his jacket from Ciel, source in the pic.
>But nooooooooo Anon, these are different versions of the exact same character, totally not because these took place in the same universe or world or anything like that

>>22793871
>>22794058
Samefag, please come to terms that you don't belong here. This is the most pathetic defence of the game you love.

>>22794140
>during the 70s, a magus made a ritual that damaged the core of the planet and depleted the mana fast
Shitty FGO lore didn't exist yet. The only ritual he could've been referring to was the Aylesbury ritual. Stop ret-conning already established facts to fit your shitty canon.
>This ritual takes place in the XXI century in other Fate timelines
Read.
>this led to a land of steel scenario as in the planet is dying/dead, but isn't connected to notes (it's already established humanity would leave the planet)
It is, please read. Humanity leaving the planet is headcanon. Land of Steel can only lead to Notes, that is the only possible conclusion.
>"Marisbury."
Coincidentally, his name is very similar to a certain town owned by a DAA.

>>22794140
>>same '''primaries''' wiki talk/prelude and try to meme a fan theory that's confirmed debunked
Debunked where? I need a source. Talk/Prelude is mine.

>>22794159
>jesus fucking christ how fucking stupid are you the world wasn't incarcerated Roman didn't know what was going to happen in fact he wasn't 100% sure anything was going to happen
He was sure it'll happen and was tormented by that. He wasn't certain how and when, so he threw his life away to dedicated to this mission because he loves humanity that much.

>okay first of all this game has shit retconned all the time you delusion
It retconned nothing though. Da Vinci meeting Mashu was retconned earlier, but "no fire in Fuyuki" was touted recently in interludes as part of "mystery" of the place. You only see the fire in a dream, not some reliable memory, and then in a scene of ep 11 you see Roman wearing his uniform which couldn't have taken place in Fuyuki. It's all symbolic.

>so you can't suddenly go it doesn't count
Yeah? All that was accounted in Roman's backstory before the anime, anime just adapted it.

>he couldn't even remember to put the masters in cyro in Fuyuki (not that it mattered in the end cause some how even with servants like Nightgale they didn't get healed until after part1 and all left anway so Gudao can conveniently be the only master again)
Yeah, because he was already the one who managed to restore the power, round up the survivors and got the place working while Olga did nothing except bark orders and then she did a small contribution? Chaldea was empty and defenseless when Goetia and the pillar demons attacked it during the finale. There weren't any Servants at all. Don't confuse "events" which now in the official survey establish take place OUTSIDE the main story as important to what happens in the actual plot.

>I remember Nero just being impressed with his Chaldea's ability to communicate
Nero and he discussed things about the plans ahead, it was referenced in one chapter.
>no she doesn't
Yes, she does? She appears more than any character than isn't Mashu.

>and you seriously forgetting shit like them throwing a fit at Schez being all how dare you insult his sacrifice
Yes, because Shez is an ignorant and selfish bitch who is endangering millions of lives over a misunderstanding to the people who cared for him and are grieving him. So? Da Vinci grieving hijacked Case Files collab. How isn't that shilling? How are you comparing a character who is playable (with two SSRs and one who is a NPC). Are you out of your mind?

> oh yes I'm sure he made it up for no fucking reason jesus your delusion
It is when Roman spent half of Fuyuki making excuses for her bitchness.

>I don't know what your talking about with the Krisch Grand Order shit
Olga in Moonlight Lostroom speaks of the Animusphere family real GO, the special sphere human order protection or what not label, that's exactly the name of Kirsch's Grand Order which is not yet established, but is the Animusphere REAL thesis and GO. While Chaldea survivors are following Roman's instructions and grand order specifically. In the prologue, he asked his orders using her name, because is his self-loathing personality, but is his order.

He's literally the "Big Good" figure of the entire FGO. The entire game rests on the core of his philosophy for the good guys, even in death, it's his legacy what matters. You trying to gloss over it and pretend isn't important is pretty retarded.

>>22794239
>The only ritual he could've been referring to was the Aylesbury ritual.
That's in your headcanon. He didn't say anything there, or did he? So no fuck off.

>Humanity leaving the planet is headcanon
Confirmed for not playing CCC. Gil route EMPATHIZED this.

>Coincidentally, his name is very similar to a certain town owned by a DAA.
Stop reaching straws. The redacted name of the MAGUS is six characters. Your meme ritual has five (アルズベリ), while Marisbury six (マリスビリー).

>>22794259
Last Encore, and the Last Encore script. Are you a secondary?

>>22794276
>he threw his life away to dedicated to this mission because he loves humanity that much.
This
>Nero and he discussed things about the plans ahead, it was referenced in one chapter.
isn't
>It is when Roman spent half of Fuyuki making excuses for her bitchness.
a
>He's literally the "Big Good" figure of the entire FGO. The entire game rests on the core of his philosophy for the good guys, even in death, it's his legacy what matters
character.

This such a pathetic fucking defense please quit anon. You legit make him sound more generic and downright Mary Sue then he actually is. Roman isn't a good character but you make him sound like a worse person then fucking Kirito from SAO.

>>22794303
But.
It.

Is.
A.
Character.

With.
A.
Personality.
And.
A
Purpose.

Is talking like a retard make you understand? He has a clear personality, a goal, plot important, likes and dislikes. A character.

>That "bwoooh" when you do anything in the menu

Is there a better sound effect? I don't think so.

>>22794300
>That's in your headcanon. He didn't say anything there, or did he? So no fuck off.
>"certain ritual"
Yeah, my headcanon sorry my bad. It's not like in 2011 the only ritual to exist was the Aylesbury ritual and not whatever retconned shit you're trying to pull.
>Confirmed for not playing CCC. Gil route EMPATHIZED this.
You haven't played Tsukihime or Fate/stay night, or read Talk/Prelude, so I'd say we are even. Though I'll never play CCC since its prequel was so garbage that it just couldn't get any better. It also doesn't help that its the beginning of the end.
>Your meme ritual has five (アルズベリ), while Marisbury six (マリスビリー).
You're so unselfaware that you fail to notice the similarity in how the katakana are draw in similar ways. Its also ironic that they are both 5 characters, spoken the exact same way, yet you decided to add ー because your wiki had em.
>Last Encore, and the Last Encore script. Are you a secondary?
It's like you have no idea that Talk/Prelude came out years before this anime and that this was a retcon. Jesus you're so delusional, stop trying to push this.

>>22794309
>He has a clear personality, a goal, plot important, likes and dislikes. A character.
So much of a character that you yourself name him a Big Good of FGO... like that role isn't taken by Mash, Fujimaru, and Da Vinci already. Are you fucking stupid? Do you realize that description is the entire cast of FGO? Holy shit.
>I like anime
Oh look guys I'm a character.
>I want the world to be saved and for humanity to do good
Holy shit guys am I not the coolest?

>>22794303
Your paperthin "argument" was
>A character without personality or purpose that serves to dump exposition gets a role at the very end of the game, dies, and then everyone moves on like he never existed. Thanks anon, you got me.
Which was proven wrong to you: he has a personality, with flaws and strengths, with characters liking and disliking him (unlike Mary Sues), who has more than a "dumb" exposition role in the game, but was the reason why the plot advanced further from the Prologue, and the characters don't "move on" from his death, they embrace his philosophy and grieve him still, as do the players. Just because you dislike him doesn't make him a non character or his death unimportant when Nasu put more weight on this loss than in any loss of anyone ever in his fucking works. Deaths are usually sweep under the rug in other Nasu works. Is Illya death important in HF or UBW to the characters? Fuck no, she's completely forgotten after she's buried. Is Sacchin? Again, no. She's dropped immediately after her drama ends. It's really really bad writing in my opinion. Only death that was relevant was Kiristugu, because, like Roman, he is the legacy giver. Unlike Roman, Kiritsugu had bare characterization in FSN. He was explored in FZ.

You're out of excuses to pretend "no character died." Yes, a character died and there was a weight on his loss. I can say the same thing about Ophelia the other anon brought up and you ignored, her death is actually weighting not just on Mashu but also the Crypters.

>>22794353
>So much of a character that you yourself name him a Big Good of FGO... like that role isn't taken by Mash, Fujimaru, and Da Vinci already.
It's not. Big Good is about the one who gives the main philosophy and the main goal. Those three are only following his way of life. Mashu was raised by him and chose his way over Goetia's.

Also
>Guda
>characterization
Anon please.

>>22794353
You don't know about troupes and roles, right?
Mashu/Guda is the Hero (depending if you consider Ritsuka a character), Da Vinci the "Smart Guy," Roman is the "Big Good."

>>22794276
>He was sure it'll happen
No he wasn't this was clearly stated
>You only see the fire in a dream
episode 0 wasn't a dream delusion retard
>Yeah, because he was already the one who managed to restore the power
I am pretty sure that was the engineers
> round up the survivors and got the place working while Olga did nothing except bark orders
she was stuck in the singularity genius she had to focus on the singularity and explaining shit to Gudao who was being a cunt and didn't listen(why the fuck would you not want to know what the fuck is going on) anyway this is all basic repairing the damage shit it isn't anything special
>Nero and he discussed things about the plans ahead, it was referenced in one chapter.
no it wasn't
>It is when Roman spent half of Fuyuki making excuses for her bitchness.
he didn't say anything false she was under a fuckton of stress and his constant ((defense)) just came off as insulting like there was one part where she was just calming explaining what servants are to Gudao and then enemies show up and cuts to after battle he's all the I can feel the tension across the screen The Director is grumpy as usual like I am supposed to assume something happened off screen?
anyway she really wasn't actually that bitchy
> Olga in Moonlight Lostroom speaks of the Animusphere family real GO, the special sphere human order protection or what not label you mean Chaledas we knew of that before it's just a tool and I don't think Olga fully knows how it works pretty sure only her father fully understands it

>>22794360
I can't even begin to debate this. Mary Sues aren't automatically liked by everyone, they are just perfect and always win. They barely mention Roman after the fact, and their philosophy stays the exact same, which is what they've been trying to do since the entirety of part 1.
>Nasu put more weight on this loss than in any loss of anyone ever in his fucking works.
Wow. Can't even begin. You haven't read anything.
> Is Illya death important in HF or UBW to the characters?
...yes? Illya's death is a keypoint in Shirou not becoming Archer. The more purposeful her death is the less chance of doing so.
>Is Sacchin? Again, no.
Misunderstanding the purpose of her death and why she's the reason Shiki goes to the Far Side 101. You haven't read Tsukihime.
>Only death that was relevant was Kiristugu, because, like Roman, he is the legacy giver. Unlike Roman, Kiritsugu had bare characterization in FSN. He was explored in FZ.
No. Just no. Are you the guy who made the FZ Kirei>FSN Kirei argument before?
> I can say the same thing about Ophelia the other anon brought up and you ignored
I didn't, you just ignored my response. Her death is the exact same as Roman's, you act like its weighing on the characters but you have no proof of such, the characters act the exact same way, and its absolutely some kind of headcanon you're making.
>>22794382
That's what's wrong with all of them. They aren't characters. They are caricatures, all they have is tropes, and all they do is play their roles. They are not characters.

>>22794079
Look just to give me clarity, did she end up losing her memory? And what was it of?

>>22794326
>It's not like in 2011 the only ritual to exist was the Aylesbury ritual
Yes, and Nasu never said you were supposed to know about the ritual yet. You trying to fanwank things and put words into his mouth doesn't make it canon. move on please.

>You haven't played Tsukihime or Fate/stay night, or read Talk/Prelude, so I'd say we are even.
Except I did. FSN is still my favorite Nasu work with KnK. Are you mistaking me for the secondary who admitted he didn't play Tsukihime and only read the manga a moment ago?

>Though I'll never play CCC since its prequel was so garbage that it just couldn't get any better. It also doesn't help that its the beginning of the end.
Whatever, Gil affirms humans will leave the planet. That's the future he saw.
Last Encore AND Extella again brought this up. Humans will move on while the planet dies.

You can say Notes is a Tsukihime scenario humans failed to become mature species who would leave the corpse of their mom behind.

>You're so unselfaware that you fail to notice the similarity in how the katakana are draw in similar ways.
That doesn't matter.

>yet you decided to add ー
I guess the game did too! Wow someone should tell Nasu. Are you done bullshitting? Just owe up you're not only an EOP but a secondary.

>It's like you have no idea that Talk/Prelude came out years before this anime and that this was a retcon
According to Nasu, there was no retcon, just a misunderstanding. Secondly, Tsukihime, Talk, Prelude, etc will be all retconned from existence by the Remake. So why do you even bother to bring that up when you know the remarke is going to replace it.

What we know is it's a Magus. It happens in All Fate Timelines. And, aside of Extra world, it happens on the XXI century.

>>22794425
No she didn't? Did you even read the chain of replay? Both of them retained their memories and the trio is still hanging out together years laters.

>>22794425
I'll forgive you for not reading it anon. No, nobody loses any memories. Her grandfather tells Soujuurou that isn't going to have a big impact on Aoko and they will part eventually, so it isn't worth losing his memory over. Aoko goes back with Soujuurou to Alice, the end. After the credits, she has a scene where she finds the book containing the rune of oblivion, meaning she can erase Soujuurous memory now. She realizes that Alice was reading this book earlier in the story, and that she also tried to hide it. Aoko hides it above the bookshelf, the end.

>>22794438
>>22794444
Thanks, I just wanted to make sure that Nasu didn't do the wrong thing.
After hearing about such a thing, I needed to get it clarified straight ways, before a full TL.

>>22794422
>I can't even begin to debate this. Mary Sues aren't automatically liked by everyone, they are just perfect and always win.
Yes, they are. Roman's not perfect, either. He's not above being criticized even by his loved ones, are you retarded?

> They barely mention Roman after the fact, and their philosophy stays the exact same, which is what they've been trying to do since the entirety of part 1.
But they mention him every single chapter. The entire ''''character'''' of the Person of Chaldea is nothing but "I wish it was Roman" drama bait (this isn't the most stellar writing either).

>...yes? Illya's death is a keypoint in Shirou not becoming Archer.
So Illya's death is important in...a scenario that doesn't exist? Exactly when was Illya's death even relevant other than showcase Shirou is "insane" and would jump to help her against Gil (UBW) and a Deus Ex Machina who wasn't even grieved after a year of the fact (HF). Rather cold, compared how Mashu goes insane in grief at the idea of being separated from Roman's room. You look like you want your cake and eat it but no, Ilya's death is just used as a momentary drama and then dropped and characters continued their lives as if she never existed. While in FGO, Da Vinci continued there (the real one, not the loli) because she wanted to finish the workload Roman assigned her, Guda decides to go to Shinjuku because of Roman as motivation, he had a flashback of the first rayshift and this was the turn over, Arthur says he carries his legacy, one of the two of Mashu's wishes right now is to thank him and show her gratitude if she's able to meet him again.

>Misunderstanding the purpose of her death and why she's the reason Shiki goes to the Far Side 101. You haven't read Tsukihime.
YOU admitted you didn't read Tsukihime. The actual "turn over" for the Far Side is the heroines choices in the beginning with either twin, or Akiha, and of course, not attack Arcueid. Sacchin is incidentally in there and only plays a role in Hisui's route, and again, her death is dismissed.

>No. Just no. Are you the guy who made the FZ Kirei>FSN Kirei argument before?
No, but are you dumb? Kiristugu wasn't barely even appeared in a flashback in FSN. He wasn't explored, it wasn't his story, but how Shirou inherits his legacy. FGO, is both Roman's story (part 1) is how Chaldea inherits his legacy (after part 1).

>I didn't, you just ignored my response. Her death is the exact same as Roman's, you act like its weighing on the characters but you have no proof of such, the characters act the exact same way, and its absolutely some kind of headcanon you're making.
Yes, I do? Kirsch erases all his hesitation to act thinking Ophelia trusted in him and supported him. Mashu is depressed as fuck and talks about this with Pepe. She's buried and respected. Far better treatment Sacchin got in Tsukihime. Not to mention Ophelia had more characterization than Sacchin who was only "lol you were nice to me (but not really) once and I like you, mc kun." Ophelia not only had personal relationships with all Crypters, but also a backstory involving her family. Sacchin in comparison is a big bag of nothing.

>>22794429
>You trying to fanwank things and put words into his mouth doesn't make it canon.
Talk/Prelude. Was written by fucking Nasu. Please, its not a fanwank. Please, realize who this was written by. Please, realize it was in the first material book released for Tsukihime. Please.
>I guess the game did too! Wow someone should tell Nasu. Are you done bullshitting? Just owe up you're not only an EOP but a secondary.
You do realize that isn't a character... right? It's very important to me that you know that isn't a character but an extension of the sound. Very important. Please confirm this. I must know.
>According to Nasu, there was no retcon, just a misunderstanding.
Common retcon tactic, moving on.
> Secondly, Tsukihime, Talk, Prelude, etc will be all retconned from existence by the Remake. So why do you even bother to bring that up when you know the remarke is going to replace it.
Source right now. I need to know where you know this. Does your dad work at TM? Ask him for me again.
>It happens in All Fate Timelines.
Soooouurce. Fat chance.
>And, aside of Extra world, it happens on the XXI century.
Its almost as if the Extra world is an exception because it was retconned as the Aylesbury ritual into something else. Great.

Welcome to the retcon conundrum.
Capeshit was a mistake.

>>22794464
>Nasu didn't do the wrong thing.
You know the most likely conclusion the series will (lmao) probably be Shizuki dying, Alice also dying or drifting away ouf of grief and leading to Tsuki/Melty Aoko setting on her journey of constant travelling, trying to avoif ro form any meaningful connection.
This won't have a happy ending.

>>22794470
Your stubbornness to connect Extra with something from Tsukihime is fanwank and headcanon.

>You do realize that isn't a character... right?
You realize it counts as a character in redacted shit, right? You keep on trying to fix the fuck up you made. First you claimed I mispelled it, now you're doing other type of damage control. Stop being so pathetic.

>Source right now. I need to know where you know this. Does your dad work at TM? Ask him for me again.
The Tsukihime interview Nasu had when he introduced the character designs ages ago. He's modifying everything, including the DAA list and the setting (now is a big city and not a small town). You're welcome. I guess Boy's Love didn't tell you, did they?

>Soooouurce. Fat chance.
Nasu in that FAQ you posted.

>Its almost as if the Extra world is an exception because it was retconned as the Aylesbury ritual into something else. Great.
Aylesbury shit doesn't exist in Fate, Crimson Moon was killed for good.

>>22794485
Pretty much. What an utter mess the universe is now. It's hard to take any of it seriously, I wonder if Nasu himself can even keep up with all the shit he's retconned over the years.

>>22794490
I'm expecting that too, of course it won't be a happy ending.
I questioned the erasure because it didn't fit the future outcome or the expected conclusion of the trilogy, which is probably going to be Aoko learning to let go and accept the outcome of things out of her control, or something along those lines, Soujuurou is 99.99% dying for real, and Alice's outcome is probably not going to be that important overall.
Erasing memories in that circumstance would've been a mistake.

>>22794510
He can't, this whole thread was proof. Nasu is so lazy at this point we might just see retconned lore in the remake script because he forgot to remove it, and then he'll have to retcon it again in an interview or the remake character material in 2025.

>>22794532
>Aoko learning to let go and accept the outcome of things out of her control, or something along those lines
Nahhhh, that's actually the last thing that could happen to her. Assuming you're the anon who hasn't read the VN, just know that Aoko explicitly says she doesn't hold regrets, and the entire crux of her personality is to keep moving regardless of what comes before her (Chapter 11 I think?). Case in point, when she was 15 and given heiress title, she accepted it without question and gave up her old life just as well. Mahoyo has Aoko in its clear focus, as at least I would say, is the one that got the most development and character (or at least reveal of such). The next 2 games would have to focused on Soujuurou and Alice, as the former only got some development with clearly still a lot to work through as evident by the ending, and Alice not really getting much throughout Mahoyo at all.

>>22794573
Yes, now of course Soujuurou cannot die (with current knowledge) unless Aoko reverses the time displacement, which is something that would be hard for her to accept.
Her core personality is obviously unchanged throughout, it will be interesting how future events end up with the Aoko we all know, who is the same as her younger self, but clearly wiser and more unwilling to be attached to anything, anyone else.

>>22794636
I mean he could be killed again, but that creates an obvious paradox.
Should be quite interesting.

>>22794636
>>22794636
>unless Aoko reverses the time displacement
It's what I think will happen. Dunno what woud lead to this but it seems to be the development that makes the most sense.

>>22794662
We are in agreement.

Nasu won't write the sequels anyway lol

>>22794710
As long as there is a chance, it is worth talking about.

>>22794510
>>22794557
Retconning to fix past retcons

Regarding the ritual in Fate/Extra and overcount 1999:
Notes - Land of Steel [overcount 1999]
>A planet that died. A globe that reached its end. A world where living things can't live.
 The name of the world in the present time. It's not its official name, but a nick name passed down between the people who live in the corrupted land. Like the name Land of Steel indicates, a large part of the continent are now wild lands that are torn apart, covered by a tainted gray colored cloud.
 Food can't be grown, and the atmosphere is no longer suited for the animals.
 To put it in a human species way, a drastic end of a century. But even after the mother planet died, the humans were able to live on with its developed civil technology.
 Even the planet's end where people once imagined, couldn't bring an end to mankind.

TM 10th Anniversary Q&A
>Q: What is the reason of the Mana depletion in the world of Extra?
>A: Gonna leak you some info. It is the "what if scenario" caused by a "certain ritual" that occurred in the 1970's. This ritual is not expected to happen until the year 20XX.

Fate/Extra material - Mana Depletion
>Overcount 1999
>In 1970 a ritual was performed in a rural city in England. This ritual set off the depletion of the Earth’s magic that filled the atmosphere.
>This also caused movement in the Earth’s crust of planetary proportions that caused a shift in the poles; later to be known as The Great Collapse.
>Despite having overcome two periods of great decline in the past, one at the end of the Age of Gods, and one at the beginning of the Christian calendar, with this event, magecraft finally became a fairy tale of the past.
>In the world of EXTRA, the only remaining old world magus are the alchemists of the Atlas Institute in Egypt.

Fate/Extra Last Encore
>Twice pointed at Leo and accused Western magi as the cause for mana depletion.

Fate/Extra Last Encore official website [world/word] section - Overcount 1999
>A mysterious phase, mentioned by Twice.
>Per a desicive depletion of resources, the era where began the decline of mankind.
>Its cause is unclear.
>The resources of the Earth, theoretically beyond the consumption of mankind, came to depletion; the power for life to be sustained in the world has been lost.
>Upon its Core -- what could be called its very soul -- did the Earth sustain damage; or so he stated, but...

Fate/Extra Last Encore Your Score
>CHECK: The name is XXXXXX. That is the cause of the stagnation of human history in Extra world.

>>22794130
They do exist individually yeah: Dead Apostle, Superior Dead Apostle, be killed,...

>>22794729
Is there a chance? Why would he even write them, does anybody even know Mahoyo is a thing nowdays?

>>22794505
>Aylesbury shit doesn't exist in Fate, Crimson Moon was killed for good.
>In 1970 a ritual was performed in a rural city in England. This ritual set off the depletion of the Earth’s magic that filled the atmosphere.
Suck my fucking dick GOfaggot.
>Twice pointed at Leo and accused Western magi as the cause for mana depletion.
Here's the headcanon you performed, based off of an assumption by a fucking AI.
>CHECK: The name is XXXXXX. That is the cause of the stagnation of human history in Extra world.
And here's the headcanon where you assumed this has to be a magus based on the previous statement, though its ambiguous that anything with 6 letters can be used, so Nasu can think he thought about everything the entire time all along. Mark my words, its not Marisbury. And Aylesbury is also 6 characters, but you keep insisting the Katakana which... is an entire alphabet dedicated to fucking foreign words. If he used it as XXXXXX in the latin alphabet, then its referring to their English parts.

Keep defending your clean retcons from Last Encore, you know, that Fate anime infamous for being a fucking disaster.
>>22794931
Thanks Anon. I genuingly can't stand people that try to rewrite history. Laying everything out like this makes the holes much easier to expose.

>>22794999
>XXXX
>“A high-schooler with black hair and gallant demeanor… This strongly reminds me of a close friend of mine.
Her personality is… quite different, however. But I do love the beams. Beams are nice.”
Problem solved

>>22795021
Isn't it Fujino or Azaka speaking? How would they know Aoko enough to call her a close friend? Not saying it doesn't strongly hints at her, but this is weird.

>discussing Nasu's modern lore when he just makes shit up as he goes and sees what hooks people so he can plan retcons and fgo events
Delusional.

>>22795048
It's Fujino, the close friend is Azaka.

>>22795059
FGO brigade came in here and started discussing their lore, completely disgusting.

>>22795018
>And Aylesbury is also 6 characters, but you keep insisting the Katakana which... is an entire alphabet dedicated to fucking foreign words. If he used it as XXXXXX in the latin alphabet, then its referring to their English parts.
Aylesbury in Type-Moon is アルズベリ
Aylesbury ritual is アルズベリの儀式

>>22795193
Also the full name of the ritual is Aylesbury Valesti アルズベリ・バレステイン

>reading thread
So... if i understand correctly then that ritual in Extra can't be Aylesbury right?

>>22794181
Then how would you explain that the kuonji mansion is at the same spot than the tohno one ?

>>22795193
>>22795264
The name of the town is just Aylesbury, as the name of the guy is Marisbury. Both of you are genuingly retarded. Obviously whatever headcanon ritual you guys are making up won't just be named just "Marisbury" as the ritual also isn't just named "Aylesbury" but has an extension.

>>22798182
read it five times, still don't understand what the fuck you're trying to say

Is it ever mentioned what brand of cigar lord el-melloi ii smokes?

>>22795815
It was, but then Nasu split the Tsuki and Fate worlds, the first retcon, and so the Aylesbury ritual can't happen (because its a fate world). The second retcon came in Last Encore and FaGO, where the ritual is actually done by magi now and not DAA like previously established. If you lived in 2011, as the character material and the game itself establishes, you would believe it was the Aylesbury ritual. But since its 2020, and Nasu has retconned basically everything, its some unknown mage ritual to be revealed by some big titty character in FGO.

Just read Talk/Prelude so you understand what the ritual is, and know that when it happens it drains the mana from the world. All the rest discussed here was Last Encore and FaGO lore that is full of retcons, incomprehensible garbage, and reddit headcanons.
>>22796929
Easy. It's never mentioned in-game, but an off-hand comment by Nasu. Tsuki and KnK (same world as Mahoyo) were already "slightly shifted parallel worlds" because Nasu messed up the ages of the characters (this is still extremely retarded btw, don't misunderstand). Tsuki and Fate still took place in the same world, however.

>>22798245
You're just fucking retarded then. Aylesbury is the name of the town. Marisbury is the name of the guy. Aylesbury Valesti is the name of the ritual. We dont know the name of the "Marisbury ritual". So your comparison is fucking retarded.

>>22798531
I'm not in the conversation, your sentence is simply phrased like shit

do you love illya as much as i do?

>>22799606
not really
she's too misguided for me to like her

>>22799630
anon, you're breaking my heart
i believe everyone should love her
Illya is an angel

>>22799728
then first she needs a more stable father-figure to help her become a better person

>>22799757
she didn't have a great father but she has a good brother and she'll have a great husband!

They're gonna live happily ever after in the manor, stfu

>>22799789
>start of tsukihime and clock tower 2015
ok anon

>>22794140
fuck off Siriel

>>22799796
shh

>>22767338
It was realizing aoko from tsukihime was a main character in mahoyo and her sister played a role in kara no kyoukai who was also referenced in fate/stay night. Blew my fucking mind

>>22799789
>>22799826
I'm sorry.

>>22798371
No, but it's a Mystic Code tho

>>22798521
While i do think the ritual in Extra was supposed to be Aylesbury at first but then Nasu changed his mind later, but
>not DAA like previously established
It has never been established that DAA were related to the ritual though. All we know were
>Q: What is the reason of the Mana depletion in the world of Extra?
>A: Gonna leak you some info. It is the "what if scenario" caused by a "certain ritual" that occurred in the 1970's. This ritual is not expected to happen until the year 20XX.

>Overcount 1999
>In 1970 a ritual was performed in a rural city in England. This ritual set off the depletion of the Earth’s magic that filled the atmosphere.
>This also caused movement in the Earth’s crust of planetary proportions that caused a shift in the poles; later to be known as The Great Collapse.
>Despite having overcome two periods of great decline in the past, one at the end of the Age of Gods, and one at the beginning of the Christian calendar, with this event, magecraft finally became a fairy tale of the past.
>In the world of EXTRA, the only remaining old world magus are the alchemists of the Atlas Institute in Egypt.

How could DAAs exist if Crimson Moon isn't a thing in Extra? This has been confirmed in 2012 already.
>Ｑ：ムーンセルと朱い月は関係あるんでしょうか？EXTRA以外の世界でもムーンセルは存在しますか？
>Ａ：ムーンセルはEXTRAだけの装置です。朱い月とは関係ありませんが、あの世界にも朱い月に該当する“星の頭脳体”はどこかに生きている筈……！
>Q: Is there any relationship between the Moon Cell and the Crimson Moon? Does the Moon Cell exist in universes outside of EXTRA?
>A: Moon Cell is something that is only in EXTRA, and it does not have anything to do with the Crimson Moon. However, in the world of EXTRA, the "Brain of the Planet" who is equivalent to the Crimson Moon should still be living somewhere.

>大河「TYPE-MOON作品では、作品が違っても世界観を共有していることが多いけど、エクストラの世界以外にムーン セル は存在しないと言うのは本当かしら？」
>桜「はい、存在しません。それがフェイト／エクストラがifの世界と言われる所以でもあります 。そもそも、 ムーンセルが存在したら、世界観を共有する月姫の根底が崩れてしまいます。」
>セイバー「む？ゲーム本編で月姫のキャラクターが登場していた気がするが。あれは幻だったか？ 」
>桜「幻ではありませんが、月姫における人類史とは血続きではないということです。ぶっちゃける と、ファンサ ービスですね。」

Citations matter not. Past interviews are irrelevant. Nasu will simply retcon and rewrite if he needs to do patch work on plotholes and other contradictions. There is no more room for logic in this amorphous universe.

Did anyone here buy the 15th anniversary artbook? If so, did any of the other heroines get new illustrations or was it all just Saber ?

>>22800480
>Did anyone here buy the 15th anniversary artbook?
Return to Avalon you mean?
>If so, did any of the other heroines get new illustrations or was it all just Saber ?
Just Saber. They had already said before the artbook got released that only Saber's British travel were new arts.

>>22800913
Melty genuinely has the best cast of characters in any TM work.

>>22800960
It really isn't missing anybody, the only work I can say that about.

>>22800960
I love them all. They're all such fun characters.

>>22800991
god, just seeing Neko-Arc makes me angry that TM uses Fou as their main mascot nowadays.

>>22800999
I guess it's better than having the former dragged through the mud. Sometimes it's better to be forgotten.

I just finished Tsukihime and I have some mixed feelings about it, I did ciel then Farside and left Arc for last and it felt like a grind having to go over repeated information over and over, enjoyed Far side so much more than Near side
My question is how much did Kohaku do in the background of the Near side routes? I feel like they were extemely vague on explaining how Kohaku interacted with a vampire that kept going out to kill people, does she just kill herself at the end of all routes except her own?
And should I read Kagetsuh Toyah and the +DISC short stories if I didn't like near side? I kinda want to move on to FS/N

>>22801251
>I did ciel then Farside and left Arc for last
What

>>22801375
Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku, Arc last, I was actually trying to do Arc first but ended up with Ciel and thought "oh arc is probably the best route so I'll leave it for last"

>>22801438
Oh boy

>>22801251
KT is not mandatory but you should give it a try it’s mainly fun side stories but there is a main story and it goes a bit deeper in terms of lore.

>>22801251
I always like Far Side more too. I had fun with KT but for the love of God use a walkthrough.

>>22800991
>homeless vampires doing goofy stuff
That was outright genius.

>>22801251
KT is its own thing. Read it and plus disc before Melty.

>>22799796
What about clock tower 2015?

>>22800321
>It has never been established that DAA were related to the ritual though. All we know were
Talk/Prelude. Fate and Tsukihime were in the same universe. There was no difference between the two. Please stop ignoring their existence. Fate/Extra is no exception. Both Tsuki world and Fate world elements presided in it because they weren't split.
>>22800450
> the "Brain of the Planet" who is equivalent to the Crimson Moon should still be living somewhere.
Aside from you proving yourself wrong here with your own citation, I must keep pushing the fact that Tsukihime and Fate were the same world, and thus the DAA existed in both (or more like in one, since they were the same). And even then, this citation is in bad faith. The interviewer here was simply regarding the theories that the Moon Cell = Crimson Moon, which only a couple threads ago a couple of faggots were pushing. Until 2017, Crimson Moon existed in the Extra universe. Not established in 2012, but 2017 (http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/log/201704.html).). This is a retcon.
How many times am I going to have to link this fucking blogpost until you understand...

I'm down for creating a list of Nasu retcons ever since the beginning, with sources to back it up. I'm seriously tired of GOfags (not necessarily you anon) invading and calling their lore valid when its just a retcon of old lore.

>>22801251
>>22802263
Plus Disc before Kagetsu Tohya. There are certain scenes with characters in which you'll be confused about why they are there.
>>22802309
It's been a while since I've read it, but I remember Touko maybe having an interaction with Aoko/their relationship being mentioned somewhere. I just cited it because the anon wanted the Mahoyo cast to live happily ever after in the mansion, and both the prologue of Tsukihime and the interaction I mentioned above meant they wouldn't be together forever and go their separate ways.

>>22802575
Not that anon but only Archetype:Earth and Silicon-chan were called "Brain of the Planet" though for Silicon's case, she's an artificial brain.
And the part in the Sound Drama pretty much confirmed that MoonCell and Crimson Moon can't co-exist, hence Arcueid's appearance in Extra was simply fanservice.

>>22802575
>Talk/Prelude. Fate and Tsukihime were in the same universe. There was no difference between the two. Please stop ignoring their existence. Fate/Extra is no exception. Both Tsuki world and Fate world elements presided in it because they weren't split.
I'm sure Talk/Prelude doesn't mention whether DAAs were relevant to the ritual that caused the mana depletion in Extra timeline or not though. In case i miss it, please point that out.
No, i do think Aylesbury was supposed to be the ritual in Extraverse until Nasu changed his mind but none of the hints about that 1970 ritual mentioned that it had something to do with the DAAs, even the very old one in TM Fes Q&A booklet or Extra material.

Not really related but from Blut die Schwester's entry in Extra mats
>Originating from the brain of the Moon and after passing much time as the sense of touch for the Earth, this incarnation is an avatar of the Moon while being furnished with the Earth's Authority.
This and given by the 10th Anniversary Q&A, technically whatever inside Silicon is Arcueid's mom in Extra. Though it has been said more than one time that Arcueid is a fanservice character in Extra so maybe i shouldn't think much about it.

>>22794641
>Long after the age of man has passed and the heat death of the universe has occurred, the moment that Aoko flung into the future will come to be.
>Shizuki Soujuurou will be brought back into existence to feel the pain of death again, as his body is split across his torso, embraced only by the black void that was once the cosmos, before being ripped from existence.
Why is such a good boi cursed to experience the deepest pains?

>>22803633
He was happy in the forest

>>22802832
>I'm sure Talk/Prelude doesn't mention whether DAAs were relevant to the ritual that caused the mana depletion in Extra timeline or not though. In case i miss it, please point that out.
Under the assumption that the Extra ritual was indeed Aylesbury Valesti, here's somethings you definitely missed:
>Aylesbury is a town owned by a DAA member
>The ritual is being set up in this town by that same DAA member
>DAA members will be attending the ritual
>2 DAA members (they have names, don't remember) discuss their upcoming participation in the ritual in Prelude.
>The ritual being established by Crimson Moon would automatically mean it would be in the Ancestors as whole's interests.
>>22803952
>Obligatory if he was so happy, then why did he question what his role and chose to leave the forest afterwards?

>>22804016
Because he felt it was wrong? Doesn't change the fact he was happy, he says it himself.

>>22803633
Because he came too close to the sun.

>>22803633
Aoko's grandfather already says at the end of mahoyo 1 that there literally isn't a point in him wiping his memories, because he is fucked in every way. He's like the single black guy in a horror movie.

>>22804904
>~~Both Aoko and Alice like BBC~~

>>22804985
Discord has ruined me.

>>22731102
Finished Tsukihime! Koikatsu best girl! She's the scarriest thing in the whole vn tho.

>>22804985
>>22804992

>>22804016
I know that anon, obviously Aylesbury ritual is relavant to the DAAs. What i'm trying to say is that none of the hints regarding the Extra ritual says it's related to DAAs.
Is the ritual implied to be Aylesbury before? Yes, because of "ritual" and "a rural city in England". But it has never been implied to be related to DAAs unless you make this connection "Extra ritual is Aylesbury -> the ritual is relevant to DAAs" not "Extra ritual is relevant to DAAs -> the ritual is Aylesbury"

>>22806414
>Under the assumption that the Extra ritual was indeed Aylesbury Valesti
Anon. The Aylesbury Valesti is directly related to the Ancestors. It was established by Crimson Moon ffs.

If its the Aylesbury Valesti in Extra, then yes the DAA are involved. The Tree of Logic you seem to be missing here is:
>Aylesbury Valesti is literally supposed to revive the original Dead Apostle, 6 DAA members are participating in the ritual, the one performing it is the biggest faction of the Dead Apostles
>The Extra ritual is implied to be Aylesbury Valesti.
>The Extra ritual must have DAA involvement in order for it to be Aylesbury Valesti

>At least 6 Ancestors are assembling.
>The Sixth is the earnest desires for the Dead Apostles. And invited by White Wing, who is leading them, no Ancestors can say no.
Hurdur English translation, I don't care. It's the earnest desire for the Dead Apostles according to Prelude III. Just wanted to put this tidbit here, because both the Association and the Church oppose the ritual, obviously. They wouldn't ever perform it themselves because there's no interest in it. In fact, the DAA themselves are quite divisive on the subject, the owner of the land deciding to only support it through money after its current leader's lack of knowing the true intention of the ritual (everyone calls him stupid in Prelude ffs), and then there being an entire DAA squad dedicated to stopping it.

Anon, if the ritual involves reviving a Dead Apostle, made by the original Ancestor, I don't see what kind of argument you could bring up that would suggest either the Church, the Association, or some wandering Magus would have any interest in performing it, or know how.

I swear to god I don't want to see anyone mention Aylesbury , Marisbury or rituals for at least a week after that thread.

>>22806767
Anon you still don't understand, also i'm aware that DAAs are involved in Aylesbury so you don't need to keep posting Talk/Prelude to prove it. My point is that DAAs have never been mentioned or hinted to be relevant to the ritual in Extra as said in >>22800321
Your assumption is that DAAs are related to the Extra ritual because the ritual is implied to be Aylesbury (and Aylesbury is obviously related to DAAs) as given by old hints, which is definitely not wrong but can you say "the Extra ritual is implied to be related to DAAs as given by old hints thus that ritual is Aylesbury Valesti" when none of the hints, even the old one before FGO and Last Encore suggests that? People started assuming the ritual that caused the mana depletion in Extra is Aylesbury due to those words like "ritual" and "rural city in England", not anything about DAAs. If Nasu had ever established the Extra ritual had something to do with DAAs then i wouldn't have made this argument in the first place.
Also TM Fes Q&A and Sound Drama say Crimson Moon and Moon Cell can't exist together though, but Brain of the Moon still exists in Extra so this Brain might be related to DAAs or Aylesbury.

>>22806869
I just want to discuss Kaede