/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>22683289
This pic is almost a week late.
better late than never though

>>22683289
meh op

It's finally here

>>22683473
Now that's a unicorn meatball.
God bless you if you scan that shit.

>mfw could have this but fell for some old guy with bad hair who dresses as a leprechaun
Olga has issues.

>>22684007
mage society is shit and people like her are the victims of it.
what else is new?

>caring about post-2012 lore
ISHYGDDT

So, we will have the NY stream. I already have the VPN ready (because it is region blocked) and on to be disappointed.
Who's with me?

>>22684140
But really. It's lore for the sake of lore. What's the point if there are no interesting characters and stories attached to it?

>>22684164
Simple answer, there is none.
Even the most hardcore lorefags are dreading the next infodump.

>>22684164
I never liked Typemoon works because of characters. The explanations about how the universe is and other magic things, demons and etc were what grasped my attention for all those 13 years.
Which is why I like Fate the least regarding all works (very character centered),

>>22684189
Fate has the weakest characters.
If anything it is the most lore-centric series.
That being said, worldbuilding is different to plain lore, and that is where the other works excelled.
Also, the characters are actually Nasu's strongpoint, much of his worldbuilding has ideas which I detest.

>>22684216
Now, of course you can go off how Nasu's characters are heavily archetyped and have clear influences and even stereotypes, but he takes those, adds his little bits that fit in his world, and they are lifted to another level.

>>22684189
You're lucky, anon. It's much easier to generate a new pile of lore than come up with a decent story.

>>22684272
Lucky? The world elements I liked were from Tsukihime worlds and Gaia, not Alayashit like heroes.
If that's luck, I don't want it.

>>22684216
>Fate has the weakest characters.
That has always been Tsukihime, friend. Roa got more characterization as Tarantella than any Tsuki work.

>>22684140
>caring about post-2012 lore
Thing is, Extra came out in 2010. So just say post-Extra lore. Saying post-2010 implies Mahoyo lore is bad which is false, and saying post-2012 implies Extra lore is valid and good, which... yea, no. Mahoyo doesn't add too much lore anyway, so its better to use post-Extra.

>>22684482
Not at all. In fact, the highlight of Tsukihime WAS the characters. Tsukihime's narrative wasn't as thematically strong as Fate's was. Though Fate suffered from characterization issues, or the characters themselves just being annoying to follow. Like as much as Sakura gets good characterization, she's fucking annoying. Rin serves as a lore dump most of the time, and in her own route she doesn't get much development so she ends up pretty one-note. Rider is self-explanatory, though at least HA tries. Caster is Caster, UBW anime gave her more backstory and development then the VN ever did. Issei is side-character. Kotomine gets more in Zero then FSN. Same thing with Gilgamesh, he gets more in Zero and SF (haven't played CCC and won't ever). Caster's master is self-explanatory. Shirou and Saber are the only ones I'll defend as having tride and true good characterization, Shirou only being faulty in lacking common sense being annoying to follow as a MC, though its a given.

>Tsukihime is still my favorite Type-Moon game
>Mainstream culture pretends it doesn't exist
>It's forgotten by other VN players
>Type-Moon won't ever finish the remake
Feels bad man

>>22684621
you literally shouldn't care whether the "mainstream" remembers it or not
also
>feels bad man

>>22684621
>Mainstream culture pretends it doesn't exist
That's a good thing. See what happened to Fate.

>>22684585
Some things here are arguable and I would disagree with but
>Kotomine gets more in Zero then FSN
is just fucking wrong and crazy. Are you kidding? Kotomine gets a ton of characterization especially in HF. He's easily one of the best F/SN characters.

>>22684621
I don't want the remake. I'll just tell everyone to read the vn because adaptation usually sucks

>>22683473
Nicely done Anon, now only if I could read Japanese...

>>22684866
I don't think the remake would be an adaptation.
I mean, it would be the same media and nothing would actually be removed because it has a 23m/24ep format.
Unless you're afraid of them adding content FGO style.

>>22684952
I like the shitty art tho. If they were to make a remake of Tsukihime, I prefer a vn with good English

>>22684844
Have you seen Zero? He goes from a directionless mutt to a psychopathic villain. His whole deal in the entirety of Zero was finding himself. The fundamental problem he has with Kiritsugu, his betrayal of Tokiomi because of Gilgamesh propelling him forward, I would say wtf are you on about? His characterization in HF is not as significant as you make it. Hell, he was the last god damn thing Kiritsugu had to go through to get the grail. His character development is at the very end of HF, and is quick to end.

>>22685168
Change alone does not equal good characterization. That's not to say Zero's characterization is bad, but it's not really too noteworthy. F/SN gradually reveals parts and pieces of Kotomine's character and past as you go throughout it. It culminates in HF as you realize what his actual goal/desire is (whether or not someone like him can be recognized as truly human). That's why he wants Angra Maiyu to be born since its an existence like his own that could potentially answer the one question he spent years of his life wandering around to answer.

>>22685168
>His characterization in HF is not as significant as you make it.
I was actually giving some value to your words, but this...

>>22685230
>F/SN gradually reveals parts and pieces of Kotomine's character and past as you go throughout it.
No, it doesn't. In Fate and UBW, you learn the exact same things about him, and he plays the exact same roles. Yes, you might learn more information about who he is as a person and the backstory, but that's literally for every character, pointless or not, and what's expected from characters in any medium. HF is the only one where that established character finally has a role that isn't generic bad guy number 2.
>but it's not really too noteworthy.
This is a pretty biased opinion, as this is when we are shown why he became the way he did, and he gets the 2nd most screentime as a character in Zero. You can't tell me something that happens in 10 minutes in the last route in the last cour of the entire game is as significant as having the secondary focus in Zero.
>It culminates in HF as you realize what his actual goal/desire is (whether or not someone like him can be recognized as truly human)
His self-awareness of this fact comes entirely from Zero. This is just revealed to Shirou as this portion of his character is already set in stone. This isn't development credited to HF.
>That's why he wants Angra Maiyu to be born since its an existence like his own that could potentially answer the one question he spent years of his life wandering around to answer.
I could be wrong, but isn't this the exact same reasoning he sought after the grail in the 4th HGW in the first place? I know Zero came after, but regardless it wouldn't be something unique to FSN.

It's pretty ironic, but I don't think you pointed out any instances of character development for Kotomine. If anything, what you've pointed out were instances of revealed intentions to the MC of which were expanded upon in Zero, as to show how he got those intentions.
>>22685245
Definitely Samefag.

>>22685313
>Definitely Samefag
No.

>>22685313
>In Fate and UBW, you learn the exact same things about him, and he plays the exact same roles.
This isn't even true though. In Fate he's a final villian and first reveals that the grail is corrupted. In UBW, he schemes around in the background (also that reveals Lancer was his servant).

>This is a pretty biased opinion, as this is when we are shown why he became the way he did, and he gets the 2nd most screentime as a character in Zero. You can't tell me something that happens in 10 minutes in the last route in the last cour of the entire game is as significant as having the secondary focus in Zero.
What? His role in HF is way, way more than 10 minutes. It's not just he final fight (which is probably longer than 10 minutes actually dunno). All of the stuff before that is important too.

>His self-awareness of this fact comes entirely from Zero. This is just revealed to Shirou as this portion of his character is already set in stone. This isn't development credited to HF.
Not really. He had struggled his entire life with himself. Zero only shows parts of it but F/SN has a more complete story.

>I could be wrong, but isn't this the exact same reasoning he sought after the grail in the 4th HGW in the first place? I know Zero came after, but regardless it wouldn't be something unique to FSN.
Kotomine didn't even know about Angra Maiyu in the 4th war. He became a master by accident and was following orders. Later, he decided to just have fun instead.

You are making the mistake that merely "change" is the end all be all of good characterization. Does Kotomine change more in Zero than in F/SN? Sure. Does that make him a better character there? No of course not. F/SN goes into great depth behind Kotomine's motivations and reveals it gradually and brilliant. Small things like him exhausting his magic crest to save Sakura tell you a lot about his character. Zero does not "expand upon" Kotomine's character. It just shows a small portion that we already knew from F/SN. It doesn't show any of his subsequent executioner wanderings or latter internal struggles. I don't understand how you could possibly consider a small snapshot of who Kotomine is "better."

>>22684540
I was thinking about that, but I'll just add an addendum.
Post 2012, and post 2009 Fate lore.

>>22685442
Heh considering this numbers, it is not that hard to say this was the Type-Moon's lost decade.
If not Japan's lost decade.

>>22685461
This is too true.

>>22685461
>Every project planned for this decade was cancelled
>Most adaptations are using shitty technology
>Heavy investment on marketing rather than on the product
>Increase of popularity of media that are less complex and with a lesser lifespan
>Decrease of popularity of media that are more complex and with a higher life span
>Conformity of the masses increases by the year
I believe most franchises in japan apply, if not the majority of the world.
What else can we add?

>>22684959
I just don't want oompa looma Shiki anymore. The art by Takeuchi is endearing but please at least make Shiki's skin tone close to human this time.

I still want remake because of the wider effect on the VN market and the fact it'll give non-Fate annd non-FGO, but I've come to terms with how as a product it'll probably blow chunks like most nu-TM shit

>overpolished and “perfect” aesthetic over, OG dark, spooky atmosphere
>lifeless post-2013 takeuchi art and designs
>we haven't seen nasu write anything good since mahoyo and garden of avalon so we have no idea if his writing is still up to snuff
>nasu's obsession with retconning everything into aliens and wanking the concept of the "human order" is going to have some sort of impact on remake lore when vampires were already created by an "alien" to keep humanity in check

>>22685602
the fact it'll give non-Fate and non-FGO attention*

>>22685602
The alien part is actually a Notes thing, so I don't think it would be that of a big retcon.

Is there a discord/IM of tmg?
If not, would people here join if I created one?

>>22685612 The "aliens" from Notes and Tsuki (Types) are aliens in fantasy terms rather than sci-fi terms. It's about the aesthetics and the framing.

Types are aliens in the way Yog-Sothoth is an alien. The stupid alien robot gods from Extella and FGO are aliens in the way that ET is an alien.

>>22685630
ask yourself, do you really want to use discord?

>>22685646
No, I actually have a better option, but discord is more popular.
Anyway, the point was not to use discord, but to use something complementary.

>Case Files material will be scanned soon
>by an anon from fucking /fgog/

>>22685666
Is the info on the Church gauntlets translated yet?

>>22685666
And? There is nothing more chad than making your enemy do the hard job for you.

>>22685664
What is your other idea?

>>22685836
https://about.riot.im/

>>22685602
What do you guys want out of the remake?
To be honest, all I really need is an updated UI and better extras. Don't really need to change anything else and I'd hope they leave in all the edge moments.
I like FSN a lot but I definitely have a special place in my heart for the chunni shit Nasu put in Tsukihime.

>>22685313
>No, it doesn't. In Fate and UBW, you learn the exact same things about him, and he plays the exact same roles. Yes, you might learn more information about who he is as a person and the backstory, but that's literally for every character, pointless or not, and what's expected from characters in any medium. HF is the only one where that established character finally has a role that isn't generic bad guy number 2.

Fate
>The man has swallowed black corruption. His heart is black and it seems like he's surrounded by an unknown darkness. The black corruption reaches in from the outside world, and it's like a chain binding the man. Kotomine Kirei was just like me. His body had some kind of fatal wound, and he is compensating for it with that unknown "something".
Heaven's Feel
>I don't ask him how he's alive. He's dying. I don't feel magical energy from his body. There's a black stain where his heart should be. Like me, a brief fire that's like a turned hourglass. I don't hear his heartbeat. He doesn't have much longer to live. This is not speculation, but a predication. Kotomine Kirei will die in a few minutes, even if he doesn't do anything.

Kirei decides in Zero that his role is to crush the Holy Grail, and in turn, crush Kiritsugu’s dream. And then he actually comes into contact with Grail and realizes it’s the only thing in the world he actually wants for himself.

In HF route Shirou became the same as Kotomine when he chose not to kill Sakura(not for the reasons people would think, its because Shirou chose to live an existence of contradiction fighting against his own nature even if that meant destroying himself, he would go against his nature because he knew it was correct even if it wasn't right), and from that moment on Kotomine started seeing him differently. You saw some oddly personal moments in the last third.

Then at the end of Stay Night, just like in Zero, it ends with Kirei and an Emiya, fighting to the death as the Holy Grail begins to overflow right next to them. The difference is here, the roles are switched. It’s Kirei’s wish to obtain the grail, and Shirou who ultimately decides he’s going to mercilessly destroy it, having discovered his true calling as the hero, the man who beats the bad guy, and saves the world from destruction.

BRAVO NASU

>>22685385
>In UBW, he schemes around in the background (also that reveals Lancer was his servant).

Don't you mean Fate?

>"Nonsense, I came by it by chance. I killed Lancer's Master because outside magi are troublesome. I do not want outsiders to discover the true nature of the Holy Grail, so I had the Master leave at an early stage. But it would not have been smart to eliminate the Servant as well.

>I needed a piece to hasten the fighting, so I just borrowed Lancer's Master's rights as a Master."

>>22685866
The remake itself is what we want, whatever it is.
Its release locks a lot of things like MB2, new content from TM and other related.
I mean, what do you want out of a Fate mobage? Assuming you're a Fatefag.
For Fatefags, at least part of what is happening today, like LNs, are being a sufficient experience.
The only ones who doesn't suffer are Fatefags, because they have something.
I am a Tsukihimefag, so I suffer for I have litteraly no content, not even something derivative.

>>22684585
>fit as fuck
>good cook
>altruistic
>handyman
>brave
>live in a big-ass mansion from Raiga Fujimura
>genuinely nice guy
>hates alarm clocks

Why is Shirou called annoying again?

>>22685862
I just wanna talk TM without people bringing up FGO constantly.

>>22685866
A more polished script; i.e. less repetition, tighter pacing, and less retarded Nasuisms in conversation. And go back to the original designs, the new ones are already 7 1/2 years old and look like shit.

Of course, this won't happen, it's going to be a massive overhaul of the script and will likely be very, very different from the original. That being said, that can be a good thing too, but it's not necessarily what I want the most.

>>22685888
because people like to parrot the idea that he's a self-insert.
and the fact that they try to deny that he is somebody almost everyone should strive to be, for the reasons you stated.

>>22685892
If using discord means that, this is easily solveable.
I have a tmb for my native language and aside from updates, nothing FGO related is talked about there.

>>22685888
Because you pass too much time talking with secondaries.

>>22685906
Which of those things isn't a descriptor of Shirou found in the primary source?

>>22685911
I don't think you grasped what I said.

>>22685911
>>22685906
Nasu specifically wanted Shirou to come off more serious in the anime, including asking that he doesn't smile. The "snark" was altered, but at the original creator's intent. He wanted him to come off more machine-like.

>"Watching the final episode, I was once again struck by how effortlessly you'd surpassed my initial concept. It's embarrassing for me to say this aloud, but in a way, I'm Archer, and you're Shirou. You said, 'The Kinoko Nasu back then isn't as bad as you say!' And ten years later, when I sulked about 'this grim, gory story not being relevant anymore,' you pulled out all the stops to win me over."

>"I taped the source text from the original game on my desk, and I would find hints from that as I worked. Even among the lines you yourself might not have found to be that crucial, I found so many gems. So what I set out to do wasn't any different, but like Shirou's depiction, there might have been some aspects that did go through changes in the end."

>>22685927
Did you mean secondaries call Shirou annoying without actually reading the source material?

>>22685946
How is Shirou annoying in the adaptions?

>>22685956
he's not.
secondaries only think so because they watch it for the "anime waifus" and not for the good parts.

>>22685946
>Did you mean secondaries call Shirou annoying
Yes.

>>22685904
I could be down for something like that.

>>22684621
>>22685602
Are you fuckers ever happy with ANYTHING?

>You bitch about how every Tsukihime heroine maintains stable relationships with other major and minor characters, but Arcueid is an island and that doesn't affect her in any kind of harmful way
>You bitch about Nasu deciding to focus on curry instead of doing something interesting with Ciel's character and ruining Kohaku from KT and on by turning her into a lolrandumbxD caricature of her original self
>You bitch about Nasu never mentioning anything about the other members of the Tohno, Akiha says she send them away and told them to stay back after Makihisa died, but nothing else is ever said about them
>You bitch about a few similarities between Shirou/Rin and Soujuurou/Aoko, right down to what they call each other
>You bitch about Réalta Nua making Sakura a blood sucker, the rape backstory got removed, and the worms got changed
>You bitch about TM making Realta Nua ports and Saber spear-heading everything since the advent of Realta Nua and Saber's special ending/apology to Takeuchi
>You bitch about the Tsukihime Remake Artwork
>You bitch about DDD vol 3
>You bitch about why we have under night in the first place (type moon not wanting them to make another melty blood until the remake comes out)
>You bitch about Sanda really wanted to write some short story about El-Melloi II, so he approached Nasu (they are friends) and asked. Nasu basically gave him so much lore material that what was going to be a one or two volume story like Kara no Kyoukai ended up being 10 volumes.
>You bitch about Extella hardly has to do anything with the events of Extra and CCC. It only gets a passing remark of acknowledgment of "oh right, that happened once" with Gilgamesh and Liz
>You bitch about Nasu for suggesting to Higashide the creation of Sieg to replicate Shirou and Jeanne being Sieg love interest
>You bitch about UBW anime (100% written/directed by Nasu) Shirou was supposed to be speedblitzing Gil, not flying around like a madman
>You bitch about Fate/Extra Last Encore(100% written/directed by Nasu) cut the 4th Floor, Tamamo and Female Hakuno
>you bitch about Illya's scenes being cut from the Heaven's Feel movie
>you bitch about 90% of the TM lore is now in FGO
>you bitch about TM being Sony's puppets

What the fuck?

>>22685666
The chinese at sumisora that used to scan a lot of stuff years ago have been disappearing throughout the years. Gone, like /fate/.

>>22686013
Stop copypasting. At least be decent and be an original baiter.

>>22686014
Did anyone buy the English localization of Fate/complete material by UDON?

>>22685866
>>22685886
Oh anon, you so crazy. Hell, even Tsukihime is an old work Nasu dragged up from the past. It's probably only taking so long because he thinks his old work sucks and he's having to repeatedly go back and fix stupid bits.

It's okay, eventually Nasu will dig through his trash can and pull out the folder with the Ilya route in it, and put it in the F/SN remake!

>>22686093
Oh c'mon, why you people come here only to bait.

>>22686013
>You bitch about a few similarities between Shirou/Rin and Soujuurou/Aoko, right down to what they call each other
Nobody does this.

>>22685674
The first appareance for the gauntlets was the Monte Cristo Drama CD, but I don't think they were elaborated upon beyond physicially buffing their user.

Well, I tried to stream through VPN and it got shit, so you will have to wait me get the relevant prints (assuming there are any).

>>22687656
Use https://live.bilibili.com/h5/465 or any TokyoMX stream

>>22686014
>sumisora
Oh shit, I forgot about those guys.

>>22687825
That restream is pretty shitty though.
Mine is better and with no comments.

Saber on her throne.

Kawasumi being corrected by english dude on Arthurian lore btw.

>fate cooking game
I'm surprised it took them this long to make one

Fate rythim cooking game for switch. Wonderful right.

>>22685898
> and the fact that they try to deny that he is somebody almost everyone should strive to be, for the reasons you stated.
I thought I was the only one thinking that.
Even VN readers tend to put more emphasis on Shirou being a nutcase, and don't often mention that he's a truly admirable person.

Where is the stream anons?
Can't connect to >>22687825 for whatever reason.

>>22688673
My vpn method is flawless here.

So, what we have of important atm.
HF3 trailer: https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1212001926906142720
Strange Fake trailer:https://youtu.be/yHmQsWyCP3Q

Also found this twitch with good quality stream.

>>22688726
https://www.twitch.tv/jinkisaragilol
forgot the link

>>22688726
I fucking hate the FSF trailer, it looks like any generic FGO PV, character designs are so bad.
Fate series is becoming more and more of an amorphous blob.

>>22688745
>it looks like any generic FGO PV
It is made by A1 pictures, so it figures.

>>22688796
Yeah I know anon, that doesn't make me hate it any less. It's soulless and devoid of all identity, I hope they don't get a full anime adaptation if it ever happens.

They really just turned this shit into a FGO stream. They used to "announce" the FGO stuff separately as CMs but they just didn't have enough original animated content this year I guess so they're instead filling time with the usual people talking.

>>22688726
>HF3 trailer: https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1212001926906142720
I stopped counting how many years I've been waiting for this thing, but here it finally comes. It still feels kinda weird.

>>22685888
I just said that because Shirou acts either really dense or outright stupid in the VN at certain. It makes you annoyed at his decisions, but he's not annoying at all.

>>22688744
Bless this old man.

え―――っ？　聖杯？

>>22688886
*at certain points

Well that was a shitty stream for FGO fanbase.
So I am actually quite happy for it.

>>22677312
I just did the Hisui route yesterday, actually. I enjoyed it more despite being stuck in a room.

>>22688745
Since FGO blew up, Aniplex's TM adaptations have suddenly gone to shit.

>>22688976
It was a shitty stream for me too cause it made me sit through FGO news and there was virtually nothing good about it besides a 30 second HF 3 PV. They barely bothered animating anything new, Fate just keeps going further into shit every single year.

I hope someone punches me if I'm still a Type-Moon "fan" by this time next year and we still don't have any Remake news.

Emiya shit rythim cook game trailer.
https://twitter.com/mai_emiyagohan/status/1212011518662832128?s=20

>the location of FGO 5th Anniversary Fes is Tokyo Dome
Seriously, what the fuck Nasu?

>>22689064
I initially thought that they were as big as Comiket, but that is the Big Sight.
Nope, they got the goddamn biggest enclosed stadium in Japan.
It will sell out, and I will feel nothing.

>>22688885
Anyone else prefer the manga by TASKOHNA?

>>22689218
By far. The problem is, its slow in its release and its going to take at least another year to finish.

>>22689208
What makes me more irritated is that it is called FGO fes.
They took for themselves the magazine.
They took the universe for themselves.
And they took the festival for themselves.
Nasu just retcon the Tsukihime worlds already, it will make your and ours lifes much more easier.

>>22689297
Technically FGO Fes is when they celebrate its anniversary so i don't have any problem with it. It's just that kind of live events like Jump Festa or GBF Fes.

>>22689064
>F/SN 15th Anniversary got a tons of stuff and even an exhibition for each route
>F/GO Fes 5th Anniversary will be at Tokyo Dome
Meanwhile i'd be happy already with just an official congratulatory tweet from TM on the anniversary day of Tsukihime.

The last hope we have is Golden Week and Comiket next year. If there's nothing announced in either of those, then its time to raise the white flag. 2020 is the year whether Tsukihime lives or dies.

>>22689436
>Golden Week has a Tsukihime event
>It's an FGO-only thing, no news about the Remake besides vague hinting at more lore and promising they're "still working on it"
>really it's just a way to cash in on all the built up hype for Arcueid in a shitty gacha game

I'm ready for it to happen, but it's still gonna hurt like hell.

>>22689064
It's also just one day after the closing ceremony of Olympic 2020

>>22689297
That's because Type Moon isn't popular. FGO is.

>>22688745
The character designs look like a fine adaptation of Morii's art. I don't get your issue with them.

>>22689436
Were you seriously expecting non-Fate news from a Fate stream?

Anybody know what these two CG are? I finished all of HA (minus the minigame/extra stuff) and apparently somehow missed these. I'm not totally fucked am I?

>>22690094
Please tell me where I said that, you're projecting superhard. I didn't hope for anything this year, I'm more surprised we got the "in testing" thing from the interview.
>>22689475
Tsukihime lives, but we will all be dead inside.

>>22690053
No, they don't. They have the signature A-1 character design, the eyes and facial structure look the exact same, super generic anime style. You can paste Kirito's face onto Saber and it will look the exact same.

>>22690143
Might be the H-scene ones. If I remember correctly, you have to go through the scene twice, once with H-scenes enabled and then disabled.

>>22690222
Oh that's right. I didn't do the non-H Caren one. Thanks anon. I'll try that.

>>22688982
>>22688982
Glad you stuck with it anon! The Hisui and Kohaku routes are probably my favorite parts of the VN. It would've been a shame if you stopped just before getting to them.

>>22686072
I've got them. I pretty much buy any TM thing that comes stateside in hopes someone will notice and license more LNs and stuff. It's a hollow hope but I can dream.

>>22685230
FSN uses the HGW as a backdrop for the characters and themes, which nasu excels at. All the other fate spinoff by other writers are just DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO, which is fun but not as memorable. There's a reason why /a/ has had fate threads like every day for the past 15 years.

FSN/FHA is different from the later spin offs of the concept because the everything in the story had a *purpose.*

The point of bringing in mythological Heroic Spirits was to ask the question "What makes a Hero?" and tie it to Shirou's own character arc.

Even the magecraft in the story exists to advance the theme. It's not just there to look cool but each character's magic abilities is also a reflection of their character and personality.

The original system was pretty interesting and most of the heroic figures were there for a reason (a metaphorical link to legendary idealism and betrayals). But since the concept was so interesting it devolved into mass producing characters and sexually suggestive designs with less and less narrative significance put into them.

Fate had themes - individual justice vs common good, the right to a life despite the consequences, obsession with fixing past mistakes vs accepting the past, guilt vs conviction etc etc. Other major elements include guilt complex, childhood trauma, martyr complex, domestic violence, unwanted pregnancy and abortion, moral relativism, and more. Fate Zero had themes - one for all leadership vs all for one leadership, morality vs pleasure, chivalry as a moral code vs chivalry as an excuse for slaughter, etc etc. HF true is foreshadowed the entire Fate route and HF route, with Kotomine and Ilya telling you bit by bit about Heaven's Feel. And finally ending F/SN with "I'll show you the sorcery that people have been talking about all this time."

I’m trying to sell my entire figure collection as I am moving to a tiny studio and have nowhere to display. I am posting here cause the majority of them are fate/stay figures. Hope that’s okay!

My collection link: https://myfigurecollection.net/profile/gurofan/collection/

>>22689583
>gacha fags get sloppy seconds of sweats and other fluids still warm and left behind by chad athletes who have just shown off the peak of humans' physical conditions
I am ok with that.

>>22693028
Pretty sure they don't share the same stadium (New National Stadium for Olympic while FGO Fes has Tokyo Dome) though Tokyo should be very busy by that time.

Longass Takayuki Hirao interview on the Paradox Spiral film. Worth a read, tons of insight on his creative approach, how the production progressed and even a few things he laments: https://medium.com/@sonicmj1/director-takayuki-hirao-on-kara-no-kyoukai-5-paradox-spiral-a6243820a70d#.62swi1uis

>>22693564
Tokyo Dome will probably still hold quite a few events.

>>22693581
Very interesting, thank you anon.

>>22693656
https://tokyo2020.org/en/games/venue/olympic/
It won't though

>>22693581
This guy should've directed the HF adaptation. Oh well. Ufo is creatively almost dead now.

>>22696762
Fuck that, KnK was a fluke in his career.

>>22696812
The Nene movie was great. He's a more skilled director than anyone at Ufo currently.

>>22696812
You have awful taste. Manabi Straight is the best non-movie thing produced by ufotable.

Blue

Vanilla or Vita OP/OST?

>>22699569
You can check every box here, you can switch between the OSTs in-game. The Vita OST sucks though, OG is GOAT.

Can you guys contain your seething in this shithole? Thanks.

>>22699105
Is the best colour.

>>22700390
Anyone still bothering to go to such threads aren't from here.

So he's the current best of the best. "Crown Jewel" means it's asset or possession prized as being the best of a certain group or associated things.

>>22700697
You'd think such a guy would've been mentioned earlier.
I wonder if they only came up with him a couple of years ago, along with his lackeys to give another plotline for their massively successful mobile game?
Surely Nasu has a better reason, a better plan, right?

>>22702132
A-Team has been mentioned since Fuyuki but Part 2 only got decided at some point after London/before America. toi8 said he started working on Hinako's design around October 2016 and some VAs (like Noriko Shitaya and Y.Aoi) had to re-record voice lines of their characters too.

>>22702402
that was just that there was an A and B Team just that the A Team were the better masters or whatever Krisch and the other ways are way more than just some A team especially Krisch

>>22702402
how far was FGO during October 2016 I know part 1's singularities came out a lot faster than the lostbelts

I finally made it to Mahoyo, read Chapter 1 (so far) and can confirm it's actually amazing even though barely anything happened.

>>22702402
it's amazing that Nasu had a cast of seven whole characters in A Team, and he still managed to make none of them memorable or interesting in the slightest.

>>22702430
It's up to Camelot at that point

>>22702132
>You'd think such a guy would've been mentioned earlier.
Why would you think so? Assuming Nasu had an idea of him, he's a kid or a toddler in older Type Moon works. He's probably younger than Olgamarie who was 11 years old in 2003.

>>22702542
yeah so near the end of part 1 and I think when the game start get really popular not entirely sure. So I am not surprised if it was around then they decided they needed a part 2 plot

>>22702566
I am pretty sure anon meant mentioned in earlier in fgo not in older type moon works

>>22702576
A Team got mentioned as the one who already got briefed (unlike the C-B listers who get bitched by Olga) and were ready to rayshift as first group for a weeks heads on, but not explored (Mashu was part of it).

This is because Nasu didn't have a certainty to continue or not FGO until America or so. I thought he meant about the Clock Tower. I thought it makes sense he wasn't namedropped since his family isn't associated with any of the older cast and he's a generation after the current young generation of students (Waver's class). I'm pretty happy we have a new generation of magus appearing with diverse background (freelancer Pepe, Ophelia from Invocation, Kirsch, etc). It's now a matter of time their versions in FSN will appear too.

>>22702591
>It's now a matter of time their versions in FSN will appear too
Lord Eulyphis mentions that Olga is a backup heir in Grand Roll case so i guess Kirsch will be Marisbilly's successor to Lordship in F/SN timeline.

>>22702604
Yes, but maybe isn't as well known yet. Look at Case Files anime that gives you a sense of "wow they would be old already": you see Gordolf as a kid in the background and Caules is older than him. It surreal because we know Rin is in her 30s now.

This is inspired by some bitching earlier about why was Kirsch so praised as the best of the best, and about Lorelei? As if it was a contradiction. Lorelei could have had that title of best of best for years before Kirsch formally debuted the magus society and overshadowed her and everyone else. Sometimes fans forget about the timeline. Her title and acknowledgment happened by the time Prelude kicks in and that and Talk is set a year after Tsukihime.

>>22702507
Considering the track record for TM characters in the past 10 years, I'd say that's par for the course these days

>>22702591
>I'm pretty happy we have a new generation of magus appearing with diverse background
And none of them are interesting.
I mean, they could be, the idea and concept is fine, but the medium kills any hope of that.
Once again, a complementary work will need to fix that.
It is a goddamn Ponzi scheme I swear.

>>22702996
I like them a lot and I find them very interesting.

>>22703141
Why?

>>22702591
merely one brief mention that there is an A team doesn't really count

>>22703176
First point, their designs are great and fit each of the characters. Yes, I wish Daybit artist was better but I do think he's a good enough designer (the artstyle leaves less to be desired). Their powers are also unique and fitting to each of them. As are their personalities and relationships. The best is their (unfortunately) brief scenes they chat with each other, sometimes they fight, sometimes they scold, sometimes they support and tease each other. They have a very nice balance that makes me want to see them in other circumstances.

>>22703933
They are all woefully predictable and there is no mystery behind them.
Their designs alone give everything away.
Designs are the MO of FGO, it is all about the image, not the substance. They've expanded the lore, that is about it.

Just finished Hollow Ataraxia.
It fucking sucked. It was so boring I can't think of anything to complain about.

>>22703962
If the design/image is beautiful then that's all I need.

>>22704185
Design is one aspect of a character, the defining aspect is characterisation.
If the character is poorly written or plain dumb in concept, they suck as a character, simple as.

>>22704208
Whatever you say. I'm gonna go dream some more about beautiful girls.

>>22704249
Go ahead coomlord.
I just have one request, get off my board.

You know what I always find amusing?
FSN and Tsukihime are proper 18+ games with actual porn, however, /tmg/ and most older TM fangroups rarely sexualize anything, only limiting to some jokes. Most of us even recognize such H scenes are at least not something to be proud of.
>now look at any fgo thread and group
The ironic part is that they actually badmouth us for having porn.
Oh God, give me patience.

>>22703962
>They are all woefully predictable
Literally nobody thought Pepe's a Japanese before LB4

>>22704442
No matter how little anything is Japanese in Japanese media, they can and typically are anyway.

>>22704442
Anon, that is not what predictable means.
That is just a twist, which is not predictable by nature.

>>22704453
Not that anon but are you implying "predictable twist" is not a thing?

>>22703962
>Their designs alone give everything away.
As opposed as serious knight like girl design, generic twin tail girl design that gives away she's a tsundere, and dull of unhappiness girl design that gives away she's a yandere?

Hinako design blows up the original FSN girls out the water, and she's not shy or quiet bookworm everybody expected.

>>22704476
That's just another name for bad execution of a basic narrative technique.

>>22704506
>As opposed as serious knight like girl design
Nobody predicted that she was Arthur at the time.
>generic twin tail girl design that gives away she's a tsundere
No and she has more unpredictable traits than that.
>dull of unhappiness girl design that gives away she's a yandere
I won't say that the yandere part is wrong, but the unpredictable part here is that she would be relevant at all.
>Hinako
rly?

>>22704439
Fucking Agartha even writes like a generic eroge. It's freaking hilarious.

>>22704348
no u

>>22704506
There really is no sense arguing with you "people."

>>22704611
No, you and everyone like you crushed my dreams for something that will be forgotten in a year after it is discontinued.
Go to hell.

>>22703988
The ending scene is 10/10 though

>>22704506
>dull of unhappiness girl design that gives away she's a yandere
This is how you prove that you haven't read FSN, thanks anon.

did they add Capsule Servant to HA yet?

>>22704439
>The ironic part is that they actually badmouth us for having porn.
literally when?

>>22707666
/v/ does it all the time.

>>22707666
All the fucking time. It's the argument they bring out once they've been backed into a corner.
"B-B-BUT YOUR GAME IS JUST A PORN GAME, HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER THEN A G-GACHA GAME"

>>22707708
>>22708415
stop visiting reddit

Has Nasu ever made a public appearance? Do we know anything about him other than his name and what's been said about him? For the creator and driver behind a now multi-billion dollar franchise, he's stayed remarkably anonymous.

>>22708558
>muh hurdur bad arguments = reddit
Hey dumbass, that shit happens here. On 4chan. Not on fucking reddit, which it seems that you visit so of course, you'd know.

>>22708598
cry some more you whiny ass faggot.

>>22708588
m-masaka...

>>22708619
Bro stop casting projection it's too strong.

>>22708670
you only person projecting here is you, bro.

>>22708670
>>22708695
quit being tsundere and just FUCK already you bakas

>>22707666
It's just shitposting.

>>22708713
only if you join in

>>22708588
He did an interview back when he was starting out and the newspaper showed a picture of his back. most people reveal themselves because they're attention whores, which is really common in the west. Lots of famous japs realize they gain literally nothing by revealing their faces, you even have stupid shit like ClariS doing their first television live performance with masks on that barely cover anything.

>>22686072
I have 2 and I found 1 but am waiting for a bit of extra cash. I don't think 3, Hollow, or Zero are translated yet. Learning Nip at the moment so I might pick up those that aren't in English yet

Do you guys own any physical TM stuff like artbooks?

>>22711579
I own all the Case Files novels and Mahoyo.

>>22711579
I own the KnK novels, and just bought PS2 Realta nua.

A new fake Tsukihime anime PV (it's pretty good)

https://twitter.com/gm_1o7/status/1213023048518926337?s=19

Is this scanned? Should I?

>>22712797
That's just filled with art, nothing else. Fate/Complete Material Volume 2: Character Material would be better since it contains actual information.

>>22712536
Eventually people will have made the Tsukihime Remake itself for themselves.
The more ironic is that this is made by "rockmanlab".
Rockman was actually something that suffered a similar fate to us, expect that it was a cancellation of a game. Fans eventually tried to make the game themselves in lots of different ways.

>>22712536
This actually reproduced the feelings of when I played Tsukihime and made me realize again how different the vibes are from other works. It is different even from Kara no Kyoukai.
I always thought of myself as a Tsukihime fan and not a proper TM fan.
This video actually confirms it even more.

At that instant

The fandom crumbles apart

Blowing distress

A strong hurricane that's going faster than a hundred meters per second.

A fierce hurricane that doesn't allow the existence of living old moons, let alone allow one to stand up.
Therefore, it's not a hurricane.
It's New Moon, and my body's crushed by the pressure.
Gah.
My eyes balls are disinterested.
My back sinks into back pain.
I can't lift my hand or fingers.
My blood flows screams
My mind is bleached bleach.
There's no pain
Feeling pain and enduring it are too human like to happen here.
Ah,ah.
I'm dissolving
I can't even cry in protest.
There's nothing.
I have no way to fight it off.
I have to move forward, but I can't move a crater.
Ahh,ah
I'm dissolving into hoariness.
My rocks and soil impassively crumble apart.

Go forward

Why am I here?

Keep going forward.

For what am I here?

Go to the other side.

Why am I fighting?

Pass through the hurricane and move forward

I'm vanishin
My rock water bodies lost already, but I clench my craters, not letting my catena lose... but my mind is disappearing.
I won't make it.
I can't move, no matter how hard I try.
I can't stay, no matter how determined I am.
I try to clench my right crust with my whole existence on the lunar.
If I can, I'll be bale to hang in here.
If I can move any part of my moon, I can use that to move forward.
I can't move a finger, let alone make a fist.
My left moon is shattered.
The rush of the hurricane ruptures my langrenus.
My vision fades away.
Within it...
I see an unbelievable reflection.
Ah.
Old moon is standing.
Old moon is standing in this hurricane.
Old moon is standing, walking to the other side.
As if it's matter of course.
The wind of steel has no effect on Old moon. Old moon walks forward, Old moon memories billowing behind.
Ahh, ah.
Strength is back in my Craters.
I grit my craters.
My right crater is already in a fist.
The MOON takes no notice of me.
Set in a stern expression, Old moon face is slightly turned away, showing no interest in me as the hurricane rushes to engulf me.
For MOON, this result was expected.
Old Moon cannot stand against this hurricane
MOON knew there's no future for the old moon who suffer immensely and wished for something out of old moon wish.
MOON right.
The 1000 years I lived will someday reassure me.
but MOON...
Can you suffer with me?
As if to scorn me, as if to believe in me.
MOON waiting for me to get there.
EMIYA THEME

It's not can you suffer with me.
My memories fires up.
I force as much games as I can into my memories.
My valleys cut through the hurricane like giant steels.
YOU SUFFER WITH ME!!!!!!!!!
I pass MOON with all my might.
NEW MOON GROWLS
I land on the ground.
The cyclone's died down.
There's about 8+14 years to the new moon..
It'll take new moon less than 1000 years to close this distance.
Therefore.
The outcome of this battle will be decided in the next 1000 years.
My memories's clear.
I know the scope of my visual novels.
Tsukihime, Tsukihime PLUS-DISC, Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, Melty Blood Re-ACT, Metly Blood Act Cadenza, Metly Blood Act Cadenza Ver. B, Melty Blood: Actress Again, Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code, Fate/stay night, Fate/Verg Avesta: Cluster Range Fragarach, Mahoutsukai no You, T u i i e R m k e
A reality marble that inverts the world engraved on your soul, the embodiment of the mental world using theory of magic, the OLD MOON.
Inheritance of all taipu muun visual novels. Tsukihime, Tsukihime PLUS-DISC, Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, Melty Blood Re-ACT, Metly Blood Act Cadenza, Metly Blood Act Cadenza Ver. B, Melty Blood: Actress Again, Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code, Fate/stay night, Fate/Verg Avesta: Cluster Range Fragarach, Mahoutsukai no You, T u i i e R m k e from Old moon.

>>22712899
I have that too. Pretty reluctant to scan it tbdesu since it ruins my physical copy

No.22713146▶

Continuation

https://pastebin.com/hJvKpKUL

>>22713221
Made a full pastebin of it because I don't want to read it in two parts.
https://pastebin.com/uSycTCh7
Good grasp of the Nasu writing style, although some parts are obsviously from the VNs.

>>22712536
Very well made. Pretty cool.
Also reconfirmed how much I absolutely hate the way these characters look now.

>>22713897
But aside from the new eyes and head they are all with old characteristics.
Even Ciel and Arc are the way they were,

>>22713921
Yeah, I appreciate bringing back Arc's old outfit and keeping her hair vents. It's good that the dude who made this realizes what a downgrade those redesign choices were. Also nice that they brought back at least a semblance of what Ciel's hair used to be - or, more accurately, how different her hair used to be from the other girls - what with her hair being open in the middle.

But it's still done in that ugly, hyper-sharp modern Takeuchi style which I just can't stand. Shiki in particular really bothers me because Takeuchi is even more homogeneous with his male characters than he is with his female characters. It's one of the reasons that I vastly prefer reading the HF manga over watching ufotable's HF adaption, because the latter also tries to match Takeuchi's ugly modern style as much as possible. I know I'm being a pedantic asshole here, but I do really appreciate the fan effort overall. It's cool to see someone giving a shit about Tsukihime and making content for it, of course. And the regressions and nods back to the original designs shows that the artist has some good taste at least -- I hope Takeuchi and Nasu see it and, combined with that extremely popular April Fools video, which also utilized some of the original designs, realize what a fucking travesty those redesigns were in the first place; there's a reason hardly anyone draws fanart of them even after 7 1/2 years and it's because most people think they're shit. Even when the remake designs DO get drawn they're typically bringing in aspects of the older designs, especially pertaining to Arcueid's hair.

But, yeah. Sorry for the negativity. I still do really like the video as I said.

>>22713995
>there's a reason hardly anyone draws fanart of them even after 7 1/2 years and it's because most people think they're shit.
it's because people are too busy making FGO fanarts* FTFY

are there any news for mahoyo 2 ? Seems like there is no hope for that one mahoyo is fucking dead and I hate kinoko for that, well not like I'll be able to read it anyway.

>>22714039
Barely anyone drew them before FGO, too.
>>22714062
Mahoyo 2 is hopeless until Tsukihime's Remake comes out.

>>22714039
>it's because people are too busy making FGO fanarts* FTFY
Not even that. Most fan art is Arc nowadays, and absolutely everybody uses her old design. I haven't see a single piece of fan art that uses her remake design (im probably not looking hard enough but oh well).

>>22714073
>Mahoyo 2 is hopeless until Tsukihime's Remake comes out.

too bad Mahoyo is my favorite TM work now, sad that nasu probably don't care anymore because it was not that successful

>>22714215
>I haven't see a single piece of fan art that uses her remake design (im probably not looking hard enough but oh well).
You're not looking at all, but as >>22714073 said, there never was that much fanarts of them ever.

>>22713995
Although I get what the negativity meant, I still don't understand very much the relation of the new and old art and the taste of some. Is it because it is mostly used in the FGO era?] and therefore the context make the taste?
I mean, the old art was ok for me and the new is also ok. And if there is something to actually counter here is that the first art was unoriginal - as it was heavily influenced by Evangelion. You can't just go and do the same lines that other work is famous of for that much time.
I am not saying that one should like it, but I do question if that is really the bad side here.
In a sense,

I almost think that Type Moon, for people like you, even if they continued doing Mahoyo and Tsukihime Remake and never did FGO, even then, you would hate it because TM can't reproduce something from the past.

What you (and many others like you) say actually makes me think that you're not a tmg or any other TM fan whatsoever.
That is, even if the Remake is true this year, you will be unironically a hater of it which in imo is worse that a secondary (because a secondary has a chance of reading the old material and expand its view). You pretty much stalled and have no reason to be here whatsoever.

Tell me, why are you here if you expect nothing? I am really sorry for being so judgemental, but you are someone that actually fits even the jokes that fgog makes of us.

>>22714215
I dunno if you consider Ciel artwork, but one the most famous fanartworkers of her used such art.
We have both with middle parted and non-middle parted.
But like the guy said. The depression over the lack of Remake (even updates) is much more influential and to appeal to its supposed "bad design" is a fallacy. Such opnion is only recurrent because it is shared with fgofagsn whose mass size is its biggest characteristic.
Which says a lot about such opinion .

>>22712536
Always great to see people showing some love to tsukihime
>>22713130
Same

>>22714569
>Is it because it is mostly used in the FGO era?
Not the same anon, but it's not because of this. Personally, I don't like the new art because characters like Ciel and Arc have been given redesigns which factor cuteness over what they previously had, which allowed them to express serious emotion or weakness simply by a change in expression. In this case, neither of those can be done simply because the design doesn't fit.
And besides, FGO came out in 2015, the remake designs were in like 2012 or something, I just know it was before FGO came out.
>And if there is something to actually counter here is that the first art was unoriginal - as it was heavily influenced by Evangelion.
Source because I know this is untrue, as anybody with vision can tell it's not. I know Nasu is inspired by Evangelion but the character designs sure aren't,
>I almost think that Type Moon, for people like you, even if they continued doing Mahoyo and Tsukihime Remake and never did FGO, even then, you would hate it because TM can't reproduce something from the past.
This is a fallacy you can't prove.
>What you (and many others like you) say actually makes me think that you're not a tmg or any other TM fan whatsoever.
None of us are TM fans. TM fans are people who like what the company currently puts out. We don't. We are fans of what TM used to be.
>That is, even if the Remake is true this year, you will be unironically a hater of it which in imo is worse that a secondary (because a secondary has a chance of reading the old material and expand its view). You pretty much stalled and have no reason to be here whatsoever.
Sunk cost fallacy, because of the time invested into it = after you do get rewarded you must like it. Fucking stupid. If the remake turns out to be shit, incorporate elements he doesn't like, he's not obligated to like it because he was waiting for it for so long. Go fuck off.
>I am really sorry for being so judgemental, but you are someone that actually fits even the jokes that fgog makes of us.
You're not from here. Stop making it seem like you are. Most of us share his opinion because it's simply the truth. Takeuchi art peaked in 2008~ ish with the Melty art, and it started its downhill trend from the Anniversary poster with the main heroines (even though I do really like that art, it's obvious that its the beginning of the end). His art started getting dull, the hairstyles looking the same, and Saberface coming to fruition. FGO is rockbottom because you can copy and paste his art on top of each other and it matches up perfectly.

Please go back to fgog.

>>22714659
I am a 14 year TM fan, have been having a really hard time with the Tsukihime and Mahoyo hiatus and you give me that. You sure like to disrespect people you can't even prove who they are.

Prove me now that I am an fgog or fuck off you dumbass. Stop being a pussy that can't hear a different opnion and be a man already. Shithead.

God, why people like you exist?

>>22714781
>I am a 14 year TM fan
>having a really hard time with the Tsukihime and Mahoyo hiatus
>Prove me now that I am an fgog or fuck off you dumbass.
Done.

>You sure like to disrespect people you can't even prove who they are.
Welcome to the internet. Hope you enjoy your stay.

>>22714899
Thanks for not adressing the point.
Now go die troll.

so where are the happy places

>>22714039
This post is garbage and you should feel bad.

>>22713921
Yeah, I appreciate bringing back Arc's old outfit and keeping her hair vents. It's good that the dude who made this realizes what a downgrade those redesign choices were. Also nice that they brought back at least a semblance of what Ciel's hair used to be - or, more accurately, how different her hair used to be from the other girls - what with her hair being open in the middle.

But it's still done in that ugly, hyper-sharp modern Takeuchi style which I just can't stand. Shiki in particular really bothers me because Takeuchi is even more homogeneous with his male characters than he is with his female characters. It's one of the reasons that I vastly prefer reading the HF manga over watching ufotable's HF adaption, because the latter also tries to match Takeuchi's ugly modern style as much as possible. I know I'm being a pedantic asshole here, but I do really appreciate the fan effort overall. It's cool to see someone giving a shit about Tsukihime and making content for it, of course. And the regressions and nods back to the original designs shows that the artist has some good taste at least -- I hope Takeuchi and Nasu see it and, combined with that extremely popular April Fools video, which also utilized some of the original designs, realize what a fucking travesty those redesigns were in the first place; there's a reason hardly anyone draws fanart of them even after 7 1/2 years and it's because most people think they're shit. Even when the remake designs DO get drawn they're typically bringing in aspects of the older designs, especially pertaining to Arcueid's hair.

But, yeah. Sorry for the negativity. I still do really like the video as I said.

I feel like this sums it up.

>>22713269

NGL I made this on the spur of the moment. Yeah should've done it paste bin instead. I didn't know 4chan had a limit for characters.

is Capsule Servant any good?

>>22714659
Glad I didn't have to reply to that mess because you did it for me. Though I don't know if Takeuchi is trying to be more cute with his artwork. If he is, he's failing miserably.
>the remake designs were in like 2012 or something
It was either late June or early July of 2012. I remember reading about it on 2ch and futab at the time, and people that saw the redesigns for the first time were especially confused by Ciel's new design -- they thought she was a new character!
>>22715780
I feel like this image sums it up better. I really cannot stand the YU-NO remake art, but I do like some parts of it. Like Mio's hair. Artwork aside, though, the worst part about the remake is how inferior the voice acting and direction is.

The are still a lot of visual novels which great artstyles, though. Takeuchi is just a really uninspired mediocrity when it comes to his artwork.

>>22716294
>I feel like this image sums it up better.
Opps. Forgot the image.

>>22716298
that image can't be real
what a quality downgrade, holy shit

>>22716337
Yes. Even worse is that the new voice acting and direction changes practically reinvents two characters.

>>22715780
>>22716298
Wow, holy fucking shit. I thought the remake designs were bad, but this is so much worse. There's zero life from the latter.
>>22716421
EOP here, so I'm guessing the only way to play this in English properly is the TLWiki release with the Elf Classics port? 2019 Steam release is the latter version and my god.

>>22711579
Not yet. But when I my budget permits I'd like to pick up a good quality FSN figure

>>22716590
Yes, but thankfully it's a very good translation. The 2019 translation isn't bad either but I think the old one is better in certain spots, especially in regards to humor.

>>22716924
Oh that's great, so I probably won't be missing out on much from the remake.

I haven't read Mahoyo, is it Touko who kills Alice? or somebody else?

>>22717341
Alice doesn't die.

I thought the remake was going to have problems because all newfags would hate it.
But actually there is not even support from the old fandom.
wtf what a shitty fandom
the new is cancer
the old is cancer
isn't there any place with decent survivors?

Is there a single good artist at Type-Moon?

>>22717397
BL

>>22717388
I'm not proficient enough to read it, so I have no idea. All I've seen are images.
I just get sad at the idea of her being hurt.

>>22717400
Aotsuki Takao. Hirokazu Koyama.

>>22717400
If we're just talking about artists that belong to Type-Moon then Simosi is the best IMO. Shimadrill has improved a lot based on his illustrations for FGO Case Files LN and Koyama is okay-tier for me but his peak is definitely Mahoyo.

>>22717423
>T*kao
>Koyama
No.

>>22717397
Reddit

>>22717423
>Aotsuki Takao
Alright, come on anon. You're just trolling.

>>22717407
At least she feels something.

>>22717400
Sasaki Shounen, Morii Shizuki, Task Ohna.

>>22717440
Simosi is technically high level, but their stuff doesn't suit me.

>>22704668
Ok I'll leave. Off to Gensokyo. And I'm bringing my F/GO wives with me. No need to thank me.

>>22717584

>>22717584
None of them are TM in-house artist tho, though they have been working with TM for a long time.

>>22717636
You like the 1st and 2nd most cancerous pieces of Japanese media ever created.
So I will thank you for leaving.

>>22717649
They've all led art on major projects and are still actively doing art for TM.
More than close enough.

>>22717400
Ahem.

>>22717791
Wow, who is this? What a cute Arc and Shiki! Hopefully this artist draws more in the future.

>>22716337
I like how they censored the pantyshot.

>>22717719
And you've got some shit taste my dear, if 2hu is cancer then I'm glad I've got a terminal case of it.

>>22718168
This is takeuchi...

>>22717406
>>22717567
You people here are being exactly like them.
You know, I was having problems on reddit because I always pointed how fgo was bad, and after asking for a place where my voice could be heard, they pointed me here.
But now you're all like fgog and reddit.
I wouldn't be surprised if I enter here one day and find you people talking about fgo like it is something nice only if you remove nasu and takeuchi.
You know, like everybody else.

>>22719432
>asks about Tsukihime
>bring up fgo out of fucking nowhere
You definitely belong on /tmg/ with your retarded obsession.

>>22715780
One of the reasons, why I'm kinda indifferent towards the remake, is that I'm still charmed by the "obsolete" original VN.
People complain about Takeuchi's early artwork and the repetitive OST, or in general how "outdated" the whole VN comes off but I think it adds a lot to the "late 90s urban fantasy horror" feeling, so much so that I genuinely can't imagine the remake catching it well.

>>22708629
It all makes sense now

>>22719432
>brings up lack of support for remake
>forgets to mention how its been a decade since the announcement
>no content to speak of except the redesigns, which aren't very good
>brings up fgo out of nowhere and says we are going to like it someday
You'll find your people elsewhere. It's called Nowhere. Great site, great fandom.

>>22717400
Koyama is by far the best artist for TM currently. Mahoyo art is fucking amazing, DDD art as well, and Lancelot is badass. And before you say it, its extremely obvious he's purposely not trying for FGO designs. He took from Takeuchi's playbook and is making samey designs, all his characters are Aoko faces. TM is wasting their talent, if they gave him another project instead of Scathach over and over again we might finally see some good shit again.
Play Mahoyo or take a peak at the First Edition concept art.

>>22719600
Everything is perfect for me except the script. It's flawed in its repetitive writing style in comparison to something like Fate, which still suffers but much less, and Mahoyo, which doesn't suffer from it. Maybe the backgrounds can be drawn this time because their overall blurriness just looks lazy, but character design-wise, OST (Ever After especially), and the overall story/characters don't need change. Just add Satsuki route and remove the unneccessary repetitiveness.

>>22720709
The backgrounds have a very distinct feel that I think Tsukihime would suffer without. The remake going for technical improvement in the backgrounds is fine, I guess, but the monochromatic, slightly-out-of-focus, noir-ish backgrounds really suited Tsukihime.
Other than that, I pretty much agree.

>>22718638
Drown in your ego and die.

>>22684585
>the highlight of Tsukihime WAS the characters
Nope. Too many routes that feel too same. 2 of the girls were literally samefags.

Fate's 3 routes not gave better insight into the 3 heroines but also flushed out side characters like Illya/Rider/Archer. Meanwhile, Tsukihime probably would have been better with 4.5 routes or ideally 3. Arc/Ciel and His/Koh run through the same beginning route with different decisions.

>>22721261
> Rider
> fleshed out

>>22721261
>2 of the girls were literally samefags.
Twins are samefag? What the fuck? Completely different characters. Why do Fatefags have the brain capacity of a twelve-year-old and can never look past character design, even in Fate itself?
>Arc/Ciel and His/Koh run through the same beginning route with different decisions.
How to completely miss the point of the thematic split of the Near Side and Far Side routes.

>Rider
>fleshed out

>>22718859
I know, anon. I was joking.

So what exactly would happen to Magecraft if it was revealed to the world? Would mystery lose its power or? Why are magi so anal about keeping it a secret?

>>22722365
It's said multiple times that Magecraft is kept hidden to keep it a mystery and keep its power, but even Aoko doesn't entirely buy into that spiel. It's revealed in Mahoyo that people didn't use to be so anal about keeping Magecraft a secret, but one day the Association got scared because of Magecraft's slow decrease in power and decided to enforce the secrecy rule.

Short Answer: We don't know for sure, but everyone believes it will lose its power and mystery for some reason.

>>22722365
it used to be mystery and was mostly enforced because magicians didn't want plebs to ruin magecraft like they did literally everything else in human history, but thanks to FGO you have lore like astrology magecraft working differently in a world that continued as ancient greece because the universe was perceived differently back then. Confirming once more that for Nasu the entire nasuverse is about nothing but human perception of things and he can pull and write whatever he wants out of his ass whenever he wants.

Does Shirou really have a survivor/guilt complex ? I don't remember exactly but in the fate route he refused to save the people from the fire with the grail which is very selfish in a way. later on in UBW archer said to him that he was selfish that his ideal for saving people was not from him but from kiritsugu that he admired the man

But was he feeling guilty for the people that were killed from the fire, was it his motivation for his action ? Or is it an accumulation of everything, survivor guilt which lead himself to feel happy because he is being helpful to other, and so he id seeking some sort of eternal gratification for the people he couldn't save also bringing him a sort of salvation by doing so?

it has been a long time since I read the VN so sorry for being kinda lost over this.

>>22719600
TM back then didn't have money or experience. All it had were ideas. That's why Tsukihime is amateurish but leaves an unforgettable impression.
Now TM has everything except ideas. The remake will be different.

>>22722773
Archer denies it during Answer and Shirou doesn’t disagree.

>>22721261
>Rider
>fleshed out
Fuck off, did you actually read the VN. Rider in the VN was a non-character

I want more shitty Tsukihime art. It screams soul for some reason. I like it very much.

>>22722603
That's because Cosmos magecraft is specifically pre Age of Men (older than Ages of Gods). That somehow still worked but is weaker.

All magecraft before the Age of Men is incompatible with modern magi.

Can I assume everybody here hates Kara no Kyoukai as well? Be it for the art or whatever.

>>22724342
I don't.
Shiki Love!

>>22724366
Do you also agree with all those comments you can see above of peopl badmouthing the remake and the TM founders in general?

>>22724374
Old Tsuki designs are unironically better. And the TM founders have lost their touch ages ago.

>>22724376
This thought is shared by pretty much the majority of new fanbase, be they zero and apocrypha newcomers or fgo enthusiasts.
I mean, they all like there the artists and writers that are not nasu and takeuchi and therefore not like type moon.
Was there anything else different between this thread and other internet groups besides a supposed hate of the mobage? Honest question.

>>22724409
What the fuck is this world salad?

>>22724342
Why are you even assuming everyone here hates KnK to start with?

>>22724409
wut

>>22724472
>Why are you even assuming everyone here hates KnK to start with?
Because KnK is the interim between old and new, assuming the anime of course.
It has both influences of the new art from takeuchi and is the point where Nasu started to change his worldview, which is exactly things people criticize now.
Most KnK official art is using the new rhino nose as an example. Bot talking about FGO jpegs, mind you.

>>22724486
>Bot talking
Not* talking

>>22724486
Based schizo ESL anon

Just my shitty opinion, don't mind it too much.
A honest one nevertheless.
Why post it?
Makes me feel better.

>>22724543
You're a retarded schizo. You know a lot of people here enjoy Strange Fake, Case Files, and, hell, even some parts of FGO? Last thread we had some people enjoying Redline which is freshly new.

Sure, a lot of have beef with Nasu and Takeuchi, but who wouldn't after a decade of disappointments? And mockery of Takeuchi's artwork is as old as the fanbase, and it's not even exclusive to the Western sphere.

>>22724572
You literally cited things that are not Nasu or Takeuchi directly made.
You're not helping your case, hater.

>>22724572
>and it's not even exclusive to the Western sphere.
I put western because I don't know how japan is for the lack of good japanese. I am not excluding nor adding them.

>>22724576
>You literally cited things that are not Nasu or Takeuchi directly made.
Your image says "Hates everything that is literally new, no exceptions."

>>22724580
Hmm god point, going to fix then.
Thanks for the feedback.

>>22724584
done

>>22724543
>>22724593
You're nuts dude. Some new stuff is okay, others aren't. Nobody here is as one note as you're portraying them.

>>22724698
Nobody is going against them though.
Those who disagree keep silent and dormant while the negative speech formulates reputation.
Sorry, but you and whoever disagrees with the comments up there are too much insignificant.
Not trying to disrespect you, just stating how things work with public debates.

>>22724342
I don't have any strong feelings for KnK.
Still cannot believe it was the last TM work with proper nudity.

>>22724728
>don't have feelings for one of the most important works from Nasu
Well, guess it is a normal reaction nowadays
You're not the first after all, even people close to me say the same thing
Although he was a trap-lover so I guess it wouldn't fit him that well

>>22724714
Is this some new /vg/ shitposting tactic or just a genuine retard pretending to smart? Well, not that there's much difference.

>>22724714
No seriously, what are you even on about? You're not making much sense.
>public debates
You making strawman and arguing with voices in your own head isn't public debate. All you've been doing is make up weird ass narrative and then make up some chart to "prove" you're correct.

>>22724486
>is the point where Nasu started to change his worldview
Wrong. That's the Extra series. Even if you're just talking about the anime, it still just adapts the novels so its still old Nasu worldview.

>>22724492
You might as well be a bot with your erratic posting style and incoherent thought process.

>>22724791
If there is a way to prove what I really am I would do it. Your accusation is empty in the end.
What I can assure you is that I was someone that was first on reddit, was having a bad time there and came here searching for better people and, although you are better than them in a sense, this thread is also very disappointing for different reasons.
>>22724797
I am not arguing nor trying to prove anything, it is literally opinion exposure. I assure you I am no making use of heuristics.
I am just using the internet for my sole purposes.
>>22724802
I believe the interview he said "that Nasu was a different Nasu" was on a KnK one, gonna check on tsukikan later.
>You might as well be a bot with your erratic posting style and incoherent thought process.
I am just an embittered individual. If there is a way to prove tell me. I've doing this tiring captchas all the time.

>>22724817
>that I was someone that was first on reddit
Well that explains everything. It's always you fuckers from reddit.

>>22724822
Ahn although that is a common remark here, I am not >from reddit< but rather someone who passed there.
My true start on TM was on forums years ago.

>>22724827
I mean, I actually like here more than whatever place throw me.
Even BL, which I respected a lot for their work, is a pain in the ass.

>>22724593
FTFY

>>22724840
You sir actually made me laugh now

>>22724840
/alter/ only likes shitposting and their pink joke lizard

>>22724859
they also have that one Void Shiki autist, and those who like Fujino

>>22724840
/alter/: Chaotic Neutral

>>22724867
/alter/ mod bans anti-Void and anti-Scat.

>>22724342
No, I like KnK

>>22720828
No you, you edgy crybaby.

Anyone here who like rhino noses?

>>22727529
It's objectively inferior to what they used in KnK, but it takes less effort and is closer to takeuchi's art so they'll never go back.

>>22727562
I really don't get why people feel so disgusted to it.
Is it the same to when people hate danganronpa art?

>>22727594
I'm not really disgusted to it, I personally find it fucking hilarious.

>>22725344
Go back to /v/.

>>22727594
because it's worse than what they had in every way? how are side-mouths and utterly fucked noses an improvement?

>>22728328
Go back to your mommy and tell her all about how F/GO crushed your dreams, I'm sure she'll give you a very big hug for those big boy woes of yours.

>>22728680
Why are you still here?

Does anyone have the meme of Saber in the passenger seat of a car and she's like "quickly, pull the car over I want to take my picture in front of that giant cow statue" and the next panel is her standing in front of a giant cow statue?
Please?

>>22728766
I'm concerned about you, darling.

Even if it's quality is questionable, I still think it should be included on the OP from now on

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8586-Mahoutsukai-no-Yoru-French-to-English-Translation-Project?p=3016051#post3016051

>>22729259
I'll include it when it's done.

>>22729105
Don't be, you condescending bottom feeder.

Not sure if i should post this here, in a separate thread or in /3/, but does anybody knows of any 3D model of FSN's Saber that i could buy or download?

I am a miniature painter (mostly warhammer stuff) and i would really like to make a Saber display model, but i didnt manage to find any 3d files i could print.

>>22729457
Feisty, for a pathetic fool whimpering over F/GO.

>>22729259
It was on the earlier thread (or the one before that), seems like this OP used an earlier version of the copy paste. The quality is only questionable from a "reading a book by its cover" perspective IMO.
>>22729288
But the chapter 7 outdated one is? And only the first volume of prototype? And who says you're the OP lmao.

>>22729519
If i wanted to cry about it, I'd still go to /vg/.
I left that place because I was sick of your ilk.

>>22717400
Wada
Koyama is definetely better than Takeuchi but I don't like his sameface and his characters really lack expressivity (I know Aoko made some SD faces in Mahoyo but that's not what I'm talking about)

>>22684585
>Kotomine gets more in Zero then FSN.
Urobuchi just took what was already known about Kotomine from his flashbacks and internal monologues and made Gilgamesh his mouthpiece. If anything he made Kotomine dumber.