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Girl dies and umbrella grows another, may look the same.

>>22450750
>>22450765
I'm going to NTR the girl with the umbrella!

>>22450750
i wondered that as well
i think we can agree kogasa can put the umbrella down - it's still in her possession if it's right next to her when she's sitting down inside or something. we can even say that she can keep it somewhere in the same room as her and it's still in that same state even if it's some feet away
but at what point does it become you have actually separated them? can kogasa put the umbrella at one end of a warehouse and walk to the other? or can she put the umbrella down on a train next to her and it suddenly takes off?
kogasa the girl manifested from the umbrella so i can only assume if separated at that degree she would dissipate and remanifest at where the umbrella is, since they cannot actually be separated. but i wonder at what point is one considered separated from the object

Have you seen Me, Myself & Irene. Exactly that.

>>22450750
then she gonna die

it would be extremely painful

Kogasa is SPOOKY!

>>22450750
causality-breaking information transfer!

I like Kogasa!

Even more when she is being bullied!

>>22459869
post dripping umbrellas

>>22460738
no
happy umbrellas only

remember kids when someone touches you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's NO GOOD

stop making threads about this stupid umbrela!!!!!! she is stupid and deserves punch to the stomach after being brutally raped

>>22466678
get out of this thread and dont come back!

I hope you take good care of your umbrellas, /jp/. I sure do and it's in mint condition.

>>22466661
umbrella boobie!

>>22459869
>>22460738
>>22466678
Please stop harassing my girlfriend

Kogasa's very long tongue!

i want to sit with kogasa

!

mg mg

>>22478423
thats cannibalism!

>>22462368
>>22467907
it is time for the big sad

>>22478804
Actually that's how umbrellas multiply!

>>22478804
they're just eating together

Kogasa trying to play her theme song!

>>22451078
She's a big girl

it's hard!

>>22481229
For Yuyuko.

>>22485726
was getting surprised part of your plan?

Please make sure your umbrellas stay nice and clean during dry seasons!

How humiliating would it be to actually be surprised by Kogasa? Imagine you're living in the human village, out for a walk in broad daylight. After a while, you start hearing another set of footsteps, just out of sync with yours. It's probably just a fairy, but to be safe you turn around and head back towards home, but the footsteps get closer and louder, and you start running through the list of youkai you know how to deal with in your head. Unfortunately, you run through that list pretty quickly, and you start thinking about the ones you can't handle.

Just as you're getting to some of the really mean ones, Kogasa drops down in front of you, hanging by her knees from a tree-branch. You were so absorbed in thought that you reflexively jump back, and before you can recover yourself, her huge umbrella-tongue gives your face a nice long lick. She giggles, says "Thanks for the meal, mister!", and floats away into the sky, leaving you weak and drained, barely able to get back to your warm house.

You're bedridden for a few days, but the worst part is when you recover and have to face your friends. "So, what's the story?" asks a man who lost his left arm to Rumia. "Yeah, tell us" says the young boy who courageously rescued his two brothers from Yukari. There's a hush in the bar, and everyone's listening.

You try to obscure the details, saying you didn't really get a good look at the creature, but nobody's buying it. "You say it was a young girl?" they say. "Well, what did she look like? What's this about a long tongue?" The schoolteacher gives you a knowing smirk, and you have to admit that Kogasa surprised you.

The crowd erupts in laughter. Young children who have to be warned about fairies jeer at you. The man who once tripped over Youmu's phantom half sighs in relief: there will be a new butt of jokes in the village.

>>22450750
This happens.

>>22490857
Imagine slowly becoming bitter and developing a grudge against that umbrella youkai for making your life miserable. As the mockery worsens with each passing day, your rage gradually builds until it reaches its peak.

Again, you're out for a walk in broad daylight. Again, you hear a set of footsteps trailing behind you and a faint giggle from a familiar, yet aggravating voice. You grit your teeth, clenching your fists as you take the same exact route back home.

Unsurprisingly, Kogasa repeats the same exact tactic she used to scare you the first time. Her legs hooked around the branch of a tree, she swings down and lets out a shriek. "Bero bero baa!!" However, in response you just remain standing there, glaring at her.

Recognizing that her plan had failed, Kogasa slowly grew nervous as she remained dangling from the tree, unsure of what to do. However, in the next instant she laid crumpled on the ground, dazed and confused as to what had just transpired. Her cheek bore a deep red mark, likely going to bruise. Feeling your presence looming over her, Kogasa brought her gaze upwards. Her vision was obscured by the tears welling up in her eyes as the pain began to register in her brain.

Before the umbrella youkai had the the opportunity to fully grasp the situation, you brought your fist down against her face again. Your right hook made contact with her left temple, sending shock-waves through her cranium as she let out another scream in pain.

"I'm sorry! I'm sorry, mister..! P-Please stop!"

Kogasa tucked her head, guarding and obscuring her bruised, crying face behind her arms. She remained sitting there in front of you, quivering and shaking in terror. Minutes pass as you both remained fixed in your positions, the night air growing stagnant as the tension slowly subsided. Assuming she was safe, she lowered her guard and raised her head to take another glance at her assailant. But she lets out another shriek as you grab a clump of her hair, tugging her head upwards as you kneel down and glare directly at her heterochromatic eyes. Her face was streaked with tears, battered and bruised. She was unable to return your gaze, her eyes shut tight out of pure fear.

"Kogasa. That's what they call you, right?"

She nodded weakly in response, her eyes remained shut tight. She bit her lower lip, balling her hands up into fists against the dirt floor. She expeected more physical abuse, more pain, more torment. Yet, it never came. Instead, she was met with something else.

"Kogasa, over the past few days, I've heard stories about you. About who you are, and how you were born. And now I remember."

She was unsure as to what you were getting at, yet she remained sitting there and continued to listen.

"I wasn't originally from here. I came from a distant land, where the cherry blossoms bloomed in the Spring like in Hakugyokurou. I came from a poor family. Everything I owned was, more often than not, secondhand. And I remember for my seventh birthday I was given a hand-me-down, tattered umbrella. It was dingy. It had an ugly shade of purple. The other kids would laugh at me for bringing it to school on rainy days. It was always such a hindrance."

Tears welled up in Kogasa's eyes.

"Kogasa, did you ever wonder why you were born? Wondered what's the point of your existence? Wondered why you're even alive? Do you understand why I threw you away? Do you understand how much of a failure you are? You must have been aware of that fact in the deep recesses of your mind, yet you never wanted to acknowledge it."

Kogasa was sobbing.

"Quit lying to yourself. Quit trying to give your life any meaning when you're aware there is none. You're aware surprising me was just a fluke. You're aware you can't really scare anyone. And did you think you could compensate for your inherent uselessness by leading the life of a youkai?"

Kogasa's audible sniveling and whimpers continued to fill the air. She held up her hands against her face, cradling it as tears poured down into her palms. You learned forward, whispering into her ear.

"Your entire life is a failure and no one ever wanted you. So isn't it better if you just killed yourself?"

In that instant, you were unable to see the expression on her face but you could easily imagine the overwhelming despair and sorrow her visage held. Standing up, you look down to see the defeated, lifeless figure of what was once Kogasa Tatara. Her arms dangled by her sides. Her eyes were vacant, pointed downwards and looking at nothing in particular. She looked pathetic. Looking to the side, you notice Kogasa's umbrella counterpart resting at the base of the tree. Grabbing it, you toss it in front of her before turning around and resuming your trip back home. With her disappearing out of sight, the tranquil silence of the forest was the only ambiance reaching your ears. Yet suddenly, from a distance behind, you could have sworn to have heard the sound of something snapping.

>>22491561
We're reaching levels of edge not thought possible

>>22491561
get out!

Hans
Get the flammenwerfer

>>22491561
Driving a lonely, insecure, and depressed youkai to suicide!

>>22490857
Considering Youmu is known to swing her swords first and ask questions later, tripping over her phantom half might be a death sentence for some.

>>22494378
Committing suicide together with Kogasa!

>>22494957
finally, some wholesome /jp/ content

I always thought of her as one being with two bodies. Aren't the two pieces of Kogasa like two quantum entangled particles? Like, no matter how far apart they are from one another, they'll be in the same "state"?

>>22497552
double kogasa fellatio!

Please be nice to the blacksmith.

Do you think Kogasa was bullied as a child?

>>22500914
no

>>22501240
kogasa was never a child
she is and has always been an umbrella

>>22508263
why is this mirrored? isn't it her left eye that's red?

>>22508580
The thing wearing her skin sometimes messes up on the small details

>>22508580
Kogasa has a twin sister who's a mirror image of her in terms of looks.

>>22508658
ugly feet

>>22508658
>>22516726

The single worst thing Reimu ever did was her treatment of Kogasa after the later made needles for her.

>>22516726
>>22516754
No bully

My wife has cute feet

>>22516756
Yeah, that really pissed me off.
Like, fuck Reimu, she's such a useless youkai that she LEARNED A FUCKING TRADE TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING.

While Youkai seem generally capable of learning (and some are characterized by intelligence), they will usually stick to their nature for their whole existence. Imagine just how pathetic Kogasa has to be to seriously consider, decide upon, and successfully pursue becoming a blacksmith.

Furthermore, does Reimu really think Kogasa wouldn't be lenient if she never paid her back?
You can tell that what she really wants is to be valued for something, anything, and for an artisan, being able to command a high price for their work is an example. If Reimu just entertained the bill at face value and ignored it, Kogasa would have certainly not called her out on it.

I think the real reason why Reimu is such a bitch to Kogasa is because she has no tolerance for anyone, youkai or human, abandoning their assigned status and switching to the other. The Fortune Teller incident is another example, albeit more extreme and warranting immediate extermination.
So Kogasa places Reimu in an dissonant situation where a youkai is doing nothing but benefiting her with positive intentions, but it is fundamentally against the order Reimu is expected to preserve. So her aggression is not out of anger, but rather to discourage Kogasa from being anything more than an impotent youkai.

Still makes Reimu a bitch, though.

>>22520946
You do know Kogasa eye is red because she is/was a blacksmith?

>>22450792
I agree with your logic. It has probably happened before, and the human form of Kogasa probably doesn't even think much of it. One moment she sees her umbrella going away on the train, and in the blink of an eye she's suddenly on the train.

>but i wonder at what point is one considered separated from the object
My guess is that they are never considered separated, but join together once no one is noticing either side. If you did SCP-tier experiments, you could probably take her as a far as you desired as long as you contained and observed both.
However, either observation would fail and Kogasa would instantly appear with the umbrella, or vice versa. It would probably be asynchronous as well, with one of the halves being in a state of limbo while the other is still being observed. This makes sense given that youkai are machinations of the mind, so it is the ongoing perception by others which forces her to one spot.

I would also venture that, in similar SCP fashion, attempting to do the above would be tempting fate. Either some plausible anomalies will occur which would shorten the experiment, or if sufficiently prevented, you'll have some eldritch shit transpire to resolve the contradiction, if not punish those involved.

>>22520980
I didn't. I must've missed something, because I assume she actually just learned it.
Looking it up, some people say she's drawing on her nature as a cyclops.

>>22521034
Kogasa has lived for a long time and has always been concerned with her purpose, so it makes sense that she's just picked up a lot of things that have to do with one-eyed youkai.

>>22521034
ZUN wanted to make a personification of a karakasa obake but had to give her two eyes instead of the single cyclops eye they usually have so she can follow the human-like youkai tradition.

>>22523114
He did a great job creating this sweet piece of ass

hug the umbrella! she deserves it!

>>22525780
Hug, kiss, and marry the umbrella!

sleepy umbrella

>>22520946
It's just comedy gag dudester.

gasa~

>>22533267
True, but I also completely lack a sense of humor.

>>22450750

>>22490857
>"Yeah, tell us" says the young boy who courageously rescued his two brothers from Yukari.
I'm honestly curious how the hell he managed to pull that one off. Yukari isn't the type to play games that don't end with her winning. And there is no way in hell some random villager kid would be able to outsmart her.

>>22491561
Based.

Remember, there is no alternative to youkai genocide.

>>22520946
>I think the real reason why Reimu is such a bitch to Kogasa is because she has no tolerance for anyone, youkai or human, abandoning their assigned status and switching to the other. The Fortune Teller incident is another example, albeit more extreme and warranting immediate extermination.
So Kogasa places Reimu in an dissonant situation where a youkai is doing nothing but benefiting her with positive intentions, but it is fundamentally against the order Reimu is expected to preserve. So her aggression is not out of anger, but rather to discourage Kogasa from being anything more than an impotent youkai.
Tempting though it might be to support such a claim. I'm honestly going to disagree, Reimu's actions are never born out of malice. She's just stupid and uncaring to realize the consequences of her actions.

>>22520946
>I think the real reason why Reimu is such a bitch to Kogasa is because she has no tolerance for anyone, youkai or human, abandoning their assigned status and switching to the other. The Fortune Teller incident is another example, albeit more extreme and warranting immediate extermination. So Kogasa places Reimu in an dissonant situation where a youkai is doing nothing but benefiting her with positive intentions, but it is fundamentally against the order Reimu is expected to preserve. So her aggression is not out of anger, but rather to discourage Kogasa from being anything more than an impotent youkai.
Tempting though it might be to support such a claim. I'm honestly going to disagree, Reimu's actions are never born out of malice. She's just stupid and uncaring to realize the consequences of her actions.

>>22541495
Yukari can and has lost before
Plus, who says she can't let someone win, or otherwise give them the chance to test their mettle

blep

time to eat something delicious

>>22542257
kute

>>22542195
She has lost, but it's very rare for her to lose in a way that doesn't end up benefiting her. I could see her letting the boy win, only to nab him afterwards as her slave/food. But there is no way in hell she's going to give him the chance to test his mettle without it being a win win scenario.

>>22542266
What kind of fear do you think is most delicious?

>>22543237
Boomers are okay with bullying evil monsters?

I want Kogasa to be my wife! Whenever I feel anxious or stressed out, I want Kogasa to hold my hand and pet my head, telling me it’ll all be okay! When I feel sad and feel like crying, I want Kogasa to hold me in her arms and let me cry in her comfort and embrace! I want Kogasa to provide me with emotional support when I’m struggling with my crippling depression! Whenever the thought of killing myself comes into my mind, I want wake up every morning to the sight of Kogasa sleeping beside me, giving me a renewed sense of purpose in my life!

But since none of that will ever happen, I’m probably going to kill myself eventually!

>>22543866
>Wanting to marry a literal umbrella.
I doubt she even has a reproductive organ.

>>22450750
You probably can't separate them.

Kogasa is a Karakasa. She's the umbrella. The girl is essentially a projection.

Worst-case scenario the 'girl' goes poof and a new one just appears with the umbrella.

Same would likely happen with other 'objects come to life'/Tsukumogami' such a Raiko and the Yatusashi sisters.

>>22543866
anon, Kogasa is the last person to help you with your crippling depression unless her being depressed with you will help you.
sure she's cheery all the time but if it really came down to it she'd cry with you

>>22544551
all that matters is love!
marry the umbrella!

>>22544817
But if Kogasa is depressed too, she should naturally have a higher degree of empathy and understanding about another depressed person's feelings.You're only able to truly empathize with people suffering from depression if you've been through it yourself. It's also easier to reciprocate emotions and ideas when two people have a similar mindset! And being around an inconsiderate jerk who doesn't understand how depression works can be painful!

>>22541495
Yukari might not be that type, but it would be possible to beat her if everything goes the right way. Assuming this kid rescued his brothers and yukari decided to let them run for sport, they could have possibly ran into Reimu or marisa without her realising, and yukari wouldn't try and kill three kids in front of them. Alternatively, if she, say, set Ran after them (whi doesn't have Yukari's gapping ability and therefore can't just teleport to them, it might have been possible for them to reach the human village, where even yukari wouldn't try and attack them because it's an ironclad rule

>>22546375
I guess. Still hard to believe somebody would be able to sneak into her home, rescue his brothers, and then get out before Yukari would notice. Especially considering Yukari's house is very hard to find. Only way I could imagine it happening would be if Yukari was hibernating and had taken the two brothers to be her midwinter snack. Even then however, it's unlikely anybody would be able to get in without help from somebody powerfull or that Yukari wouldn't simply have Ran butcher her victims and store their meat for later use.

>>22543866
Sounds more like you want Kogasa to be your mom. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as she's good with kids.

>>22546375
>>22547202
Could always be where she was impressed by the kid's titanic brass balls and let him escape, intending to recruit him when he gets older, subtle grooming along the way

>>22541495
It was probably less of a combat scenario, and more of a deal-based one that he managed to talk Yukari out of. Even a schemer like Yukari is willing to accept when she's been outschemed, as rare as it is.

>>22547941
Umbrellas can't get pregnant.

>>22549007
They can when they become Youkai.

>>22548326
That is possible. Although, it would be more likely she would just force him to make a deal with the devil right there and then.

>>22548438
I just can't see Yukari being outschemed by a random villager boy though. I could see her letting the brothers go in return for becoming one of her spies/shikigami, but being talked out of such a deal seems incredibly unlikely.

>>22549013
Anon, the girl is just a projection. The actual umbrella is the youkai.

kogasa is for gentle loving!

>>22541495
>Yukari isn't the type to play games that don't end with her winning.
She is if she doesn't care about winning

>>22554441
I think "My food is trying to get away" is a good enough reason for her to want to win.

Kogasa is beautiful!

dont die, kogasa!

>>22565924
I want to give her what she wants

>>22571331
death?

>>22571581
Kogasa is not suicidal!

>>22571587
he didn't say whose death.

>>22571619
Kogasa does not have murderous thoughts!

>>22571581
A place to belong

>>22450750
Long-distance separation of "Two-part" Youkai actually happens several times in touhou canon. (Stealing Myon and the Dullhan)

They're both fine. Kogasa would probably be fine too.

Hmph. Forge your weapons?

cute!

eggplant umbrella

>>22549034
That opens up a question
If the umbrella were altered, would it change kogasa's traits and capabilities?
The shaft is wood, could it be replaced with aluminium or stainless steel? Would that enhance her durability to match such a material change?
If the shaft cannot be replaced, then what about wrapping it in carbon fiber?

>>22585286
That anon is dofus. Both parts are valid.

>>22585286
isn't this just the ship of theseus problem?

>>22585401
Yes, but with a supernatural creature's body parts
I feel like there'd be another level to account for there

>>22586245
well kogasa has sentience now so think of it like a person i guess
touhou operates under the soul or spirit being the core of a person and the body just a shell or clothing, so replacing your cells doesn't change that it's still you: likewise changing parts of the umbrella doesn't change that the same soul (essence/spirit/will/whatever you want to call it) is possessing it
i suppose it's possible that you could sequentially replace each part of kogasa's umbrella and end up giving kogasa an entirely new umbrella but then you have a weird thing where you could then put back together the real umbrella and have two kogasas, or a kogasa unattached to the original umbrella she came from. so she has to be attached to the original components in some way to prevent such an absurd scenario
someone should ask ZUN to clarify this philosophical conundrum

>>22585286
>>22586669
The umbrella has already been altered, to look scarier and like an ippon datara

>>22450750
she dies

uuuraaameeeshiiiyaaaaa!

>>22584744
I will never get this meme.

>>22606453
she looks like an eggplant

Kogasa cleaning your ears!

big umbrella

>>22607534
>>22610459
I bet her tits get all sweaty when she's working in the smithy.

scary!

>>22607534
b-but why

>>22615826
because they're dirty!

imagine double fellatio from Kogasa

Does anything happen when someone scares Kogasa? Does she lose power or does she just feel humiliated?
>>22490857
>man who lost his left arm to Rumia
Fucking how? She's so damn lazy, weak, and small that the only humans she could even begin to eat are sleeping babies
>>22546375
>Implying any human could outrun or outfox Ran

>>22623289
Refuge in audacity is a powerful thing
You can get away with a lot when you embrace the way of the shitpost