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Every single cheetos in MS

Been trying to figure out a route against Idol Creature with nofocus YoumuE. I realized there's always a nice gap in the first arrow volley aligned with Keiki's current position (because of the gap in the idols' formation to her sides), so I'm trying to exploit that. It's not as reliable as I'd like though ; the vertical variance still gets me, and I can't always kill the next idol falling towards me in time, even at 4.00 power.

>>22325259
Never figured out how to properly dodge the ones in Shinki's fight, with the really tight dodging space. For the others, Mima's speed did the trick.

>>22325450
i got fairly consistent at shinki's after a lot of savestate practice, but that's still with a good deal of improv and reimu/yuuka are definitely hard mode

>>22325756
>reimu/yuuka
Godspeed. I never dared to play with Yuuka, she seem so gimped compared to Mima. Can she even deal with the speedy streaming on Yumeko?

>>22323621
i play touhou for the story on the easiest difficulty

>>22325831
the second half of that phase is rough for reimu/yuuka. you can get through it a lot of the time, but with so many swords i don't know about consistency. i certainly wasn't good/dedicated enough to get there.

reimu/yuuka speed is suffering in ms. i wish (at least) one of them had marisa speed, marisa had mima speed, and mima was faster. fast ship bias, but it'd also make scoring (in extra, at least) a little more consistent.

>>22325831
the second half of that phase is rough for reimu/yuuka. you can get through it a lot of the time, but with so many swords i don't know about consistency. i certainly wasn't good/dedicated enough to get there.

reimu/yuuka speed is suffering in ms. i wish one (or both) of them had marisa speed, marisa had mima speed, and mima were faster. fast ship bias, but it'd also make scoring (in extra, at least) a little more consistent.

>>22323621
Just started playing IN seriously a few days ago and I forgot how to cheese Mokou's first spell card.

I began trying to play for score. I have a score of 456,768,270 in PCB with Sakuya B Normal and a score of 423,300,390 in DDC with Sakuya B Normal. Does anyone else play for score?

>>22326819
>Does anyone else play for score?
Do I look like an autist to you?

Patterns aren't problem, Marisa's big ass hitbox is.

>>22326469
Really want to give IN scoring a go someday but I have like a quadrillion things on my backlog already.

>>22331868
Meant for >>22326819, my bad,

>>22329658
I don't recall Marisa having a particularly big ass.

>>22332134
She's using her butt in fightans, of course dat ass is fat.

Once again a terrible run 1ccs and I don't wanna look at my replay because it'd mean watching my own garbage gameplay.

How do I play IN effectively with Reimu+Yukari team?

>>22334925
You could play with your feet and its still easy with that team

>>22334925
Dunno, nothing too complicated about them like the other anon said. Just make sure to keep Ran always locked on the boss. With that, you can do some fancy stuff like chill in the corner during GHQ Crisis, where there are much larger gaps ; or cap Salamender Shield by just streaming from one side of the screen to the next (no restream needed if you're at full power).

>>22334907
I don't think that people are watching their own replays. Right?

>>22339374
once you have transcended, you can feel your replay

For some reason my keyboard is fucked. I can't move to the upper left at the same time as pressing 'z' (shooting). I either move to the left or up if I press the keys with delay or don't move at all when I press them at the same time. If I am moving to the upper left I the shooting button doesn't work. Every other direction works fine. Any idea what could be causing this?

>>22339771
Probably just a cheap keyboard that can't handle multiple inputs. Do you get the same problem elsewhere, like on https://drakeirving.github.io/MultiKeyDisplay/ ?
You could always try mapping shoot/focus to mouse buttons or something.

>>22339812
You are right. It is indeed the keyboard I am using (initially I thought it might be some kind of software issue).
I knew ghosting was a thing but I didn't think it would happen with a measly 3 keys being pressed. Suppose there is nothing I can do about it. I'm only here temporarily so it's not even worth getting buying another one. Good to know though.

Not really gameplay related but I have read on /jp/ that Yukari was inspired from an existing kind of youkai that sees everything. Does anybody know the name of that youkai?

>>22339828
I believe that youkai is called the NSA anon

>>22339828
I only know the sukima-onna.

I beat my first ever Extra, Ran in PCB. The spinning Buddhist spell gave me lots of trouble.

>>22342257
That's strange. I consider it to be quite easy. What gave you trouble?

>>22342257
Nice, you're now in an excellent position to beat Yukari as well. Go for it.

>>22342257
Which type did you use, anon? I have alot of trouble clearing that spellcard with Reimu but it's pretty free with Sakuya.

>>22342953
I did it with Reimu B.

>>22342378
The aim of the bullets would change for some reason and it would throw me off.

Got my third 1CC in normal and the second one of this month.
So the list says: TD, IN and MoF
I'm either going for DDC or WbaWc

>>22323621
alright I have to know, how the hell do I lock the framerate with Vpatch? as it stands my options are Vpatch off-60 fps-everything looks clear, vpatch on-75 fps-everything looks clear, or vpatch on-60 fps-eveything looks slightly blurry and smudged

>>22345585
>TD, IN and MoF
That's a weird order you're following.

>>22350649
there are some who call it... tim?

>>22345585
Just clear one some harder game and then you will breeze through easy ones in one day.

is there an easy way to farm score extends in MS extra like in the other PC98 extras, or do I actually have to play this one legit

>>22356678
I dunno, kinda? Extends are based on score items count, and clearing the boss' patterns change every bullet still on the screen into a score item. You can exploit that, but I wouldn't call it farming. Actually, I'm curious, I've never heard of a way to farm extends on the other extras, can you tell more?

>>22356678
the other anon nailed it. still, you'll probably only get one point-based extend on a standard clear, and that one is basically automatic. two after solid routing and practice (and easiest with mima), but by that point you'll probably have cleared. three requires scoring strats, which you won't want to get into on a standard clear because it involves 1-3 bombs for score and very precise timing with ending certain boss phases.

trying the games for the first time in years and i die on normal wtf happened to me

>>22356740
By farming I just mean a spot where you can effortlessly pick up a bunch of point items, such as that enemy spam towards the end of SoEW's stage that gives you like 4 lives worth of score.
>>22356891
Yeah, I'm only getting one score extend, so that sounds about right. Guess I need to actually learn how to dodge these lasers.

honestly i hate bullet hell games

>>22357158
agreed, praise hrtp

>>22357158
Stop blaming the games for your dying you sissypants.

Excuse me, what the heck? Also, how come all the other new engine games break aero but somehow SA doesn't?

>>22362940
I couldn't find anything on this on google but good old vpatch fixed it. I still would like to know what's up with aero, I'd think it breaking would be a common complaint but it's not.

>>22326113
But you don't get the whole story on the easiest difficulty.

Thanks for reminding that I still didn't cap spring jackass

Recently i started having problems with bullet visibility, even if i managed to do some 1ccs before, now i can't even pass stage 1 from th17 or th16 without dying once because i didn't notice some bullets. what happened to my eyes? i'm getting rusty?

>>22369361
bullet visibility has been the number one complaint with th16 since day 1

>>22369371
Yeah but only at certain parts. If he can't get past stage 1 then problem is somewhere else.

I feel like I have input lag in EoSD but don't know why. My game also seems to be capped at 59.91fps, even when changing the value in vpatch.ini and I get occasional fps drops. Any idea how I could fix that?

>>22374706
dunno, but i had occasional choppiness that was fixed by setting vsync = 1, so maybe that would help.

I beat 15 in Pointdevice Mode. I cleared all spells and stages until I came face to face with the clown.

I didn't have a bomb left for Junko's final card and I'm so happy I managed to clear it.

>>22323621
Patchy. I finally managed to beat her though.

>been playing touhou for years
>enjoy them inmensively
>can't even 1cc IN in normal without starting with extra lives

I don't even know if its possible to suck harder, but I'm fairly happy
I think the problem is that I can't memorize the patterns for fucking shit. Also, even if I memorize them, the tactics as to how to avoid them never comes to me naturally, like "I know this shit is coming, but I have no idea how to deal with it"

2/3, after about three weeks of derping. thank you, gameplay thread, for once again being magic and granting success after i almost frustration-post the night before.
rc nm and hard vowg timeout, then i can move on to marisa (then i can move on to lls because vowg with that hitbox ain't happening).

I have just discovered the wonders of Marisa and her all powerful lasers.

I do have a couple questions though:
I get about 50% of the way through on normal and get absolutely destroyed. I’m trying to keep an eye on my character but my peripheral view keeps getting my attention. Is this just growing pains of gitting gud at shmups or am I playing it wrong?
I’m also using a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard as I’m having an easier time with the thumb stick than I am the directional keys. Will this end up hurting me later?

I guess my final question is where is the hitbox at? Seems like it’s right in the bow on Marisa’s back.

>>22377074
>I’m trying to keep an eye on my character but my peripheral view keeps getting my attention. Is this just growing pains of gitting gud at shmups or am I playing it wrong?
Unless you're making very tight dodges you should look ahead of your character so you have more time to react to everything.
>I’m also using a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard as I’m having an easier time with the thumb stick than I am the directional keys. Will this end up hurting me later?
No, ZUN uses a controller too.
>I guess my final question is where is the hitbox at? Seems like it’s right in the bow on Marisa’s back.
Yep, it's the bow.

>>22377097
Gotcha, my eyes have been darting around the screen leading to some unfortunate early deaths so I’ll keep that in mind. I wanna get past the library, but at least on day two of playing I’m starting to have fun with it.

Also, that’s good to hear, has he shared his layout? With a 360 controller I’ve got my regular shots on “x”, my focused, slow shots on “a”, and my bombs on “b”

>>22375003
I already tried that but it didn't change anything. Pic related is the setting I've been using so far (except when I tried higher fps limit).

>>22379487
59.91 (or more common 59.94) might be the actual refresh rate of your monitor, rather than proper 60fps. The fps drops wouldn't be related if that's the case.

>>22323621
I'm still dying to Orin after 5 months of casually trying. I see no way to improve. Fuck Orin.

>>22374706
>>22379487
Are you using Windows10?
And if so, are you using the d3d converter to get real fullscreen?
Because that fixes the choppy framerate for me, but introduces tearing that kind of look like stuttering, as the bullets teleport a frame ahead when they cross the tear line.
It's either vanilla (massive input lag), vpatch (stuttering) or vpatch + d3d converter (tearing) for me.

pichun

>>22368991
Just do it. You can fluke one cap with enough tries.

>>22323621
been practicing SA extra
i was stuck on release of the id/suppression of the super-ego for the longest time but i just cleared both for the first time
and then i ran straight into youkai polygraph and died right at the end, but that was lack of practice and not failing to understand
i have never done danmaku rorschach yet. how fucked am i?

>>22381863
Rorschach is pretty straightforward. Genetics on the other hand will tear you a new asshole if you go in blind.

>>22375695
Not greentexting like a fag on jay helps a lot. Statistically proven.

>beat pcb's extra going in blind on 4th attempt
>still cant beat doremy on normal without dying or bombing
is it me or lolk?

>>22384315
you have to tell me who are you quoting and I'll give you some advice

>>22384336
myself preemptively

>>22380108
I might should have specified that I upgraded to windows 10 recently, but I thought the only problem it could cause was making touhou super fast, which I didn't experience. When I launch the game with d3d I get pic related. I don't know a reliable source to download the missing file, I often hear a lot of shit when it comes to dll, and I have directx12.

>>22379972
I had constant 60fps on windows 7 so i don't think my monitor is the problem.

>>22384846
Just get the directx9 runtime installer from microsoft website.

Any advice for Orin's Needle Mountain of a Former Hell spell card? I can never find the gap in the large projectiles until its too late, is there a pattern to it?

>>22386083
the spirit wheels are aimed, but they're so slow that she'll probably fire two waves of them at the same spot before you need to dodge

>>22384315
a little of both, is it ultramarine that you're dying on? i spent a few hours trying to pass that on normal no-bombing when i first encountered it
if doremy is blocking you that hard though, i have some bad news for you

Any tips on Kaeidzuka? Can't beat Eiki with Cirno without using a continue. She just won't get hit with Cirno's slow patterns. Also, I feel like the AI deteriorates per retry. Couldn't even scratch her when I was at full lives but on my last she starts to get hit. Is it just me?

>>22387443
A bit more complicated but that's generally how it works. Eiki goes from superplayer to retard after you died once

>>22387443
>Kaeidzuka
Stop that.

>>22387443
There's a lot of good info about its various systems on the wiki, but yes, as the other anon said, you're correct. My 1cc strategy was simply to not die during the first seven stages, spend one life on Komachi if necessary, and leave the rest for Eiki.
>She just won't get hit with Cirno's slow patterns
That's not the problem, and your choice of character doesn't matter to the AI (unless there's something it actually isn't programmed to deal with, like Medicine's EX); it will always dodge perfectly, even superhumanly so, until a certain amount of time has passed.

>>22386147
Yes, fuck that spellcard. I can't do bullets from all 4 directions at the same time.

>>22387761
>it will always dodge perfectly
the ai can get hit regardless of character, even by a character that struggles to hit the ai when the ai is using a fast character (pic related for both).
side note: the wiki's strategy page for pofv is garbage. the gameplay page is good though, and newbs should definitely start there.

>>22387948
In the main story mode, they'll get hit by random shit early on and lose their first 4.5 orbs, then dodge perfectly until a certain amount of time has passed, then purposely die. In other words, unlike playing against a human, you can't and shouldn't try to catch them in well-timed attacks or anything, it doesn't matter. You just need to focus on your own screen and stay alive.

>>22388033
there's a lot wrong with that. the ai is on a timer and will get hit at roughly certain times (not just on their last half orb). these times are set for each stage, with later stages having later times. also, the times for a given stage decrease after each death. the exception is first-round eiki, which doesn't have a timer. also, match mode functions the same way as first-round eiki, which is why i posted the ai mystia mirror.

while your advice to focus on yourself is generally good for survival, there are characters that can obliterate the ai (medicine, aya) and others that have a very good chance at hitting the ai (ex: reimu). you can, if you want, play to get as many ex attacks as possible (and, with reimu, also coordinate this with multiple l2s) to hit the ai before it's supposed to take a hit. this simply is far less reliable with most characters, so for most of the cast it's safer to simply play the long game. also, if you play for score, you'll find that the ai can get hit before it should by just about every character, and you'll know it because it'll fuck up your run.

>>22388115
>the times for a given stage decrease after each death
meant to say: after each death on that specific stage (later stages are unaffected)

>>22387915
it was a couple months ago when i did it, but iirc my tactic was to find one of the dense directions early on and intentionally dodge into it, and then it'd be more like three directions for a while until she repeats the pattern. still hard though, it's not a very nice spell at all
you'd better prepare yourself though: you'll be wishing to go back to ultramarine after dealing with stage 5 and clownpiece for a while

>>22381863
Rorschach is simply about finding gaps. Genetics of the Subconscious is one giant "fuck you" from ZUN. Philosophy is bit of a mindfuck but nothing extraordinary. Rose is all about rhythm and endurance.

>>22387761
>pic
That's not dodging, that's straight up hacks.

>>22387513
Why?

>>22388115
So you mean NH runs are impossible in this game unless you go Medicine, Aya and Reimu? Also, unless you can last long enough like this >>22387948, doesn't this design beat the purpose of runs?

>>22390464
PoFV wasn't designed with the "perfect survival" playstyle in mind.

>>22387948
yeah and it only takes it 208 mins

how the hell do I play EOSD on Windows 10?
I downloaded it from MoriyaShrine with the patches but the game crashes once i try and enter a level

>>22393178
first off, get it from nyaa

wav or midi for the old games?

Is there a trick to Kogasa's final attack in the UFO extra or do I just need crazy reflexes?

>>22394984
You don't need "crazy" reflexes but you do need to be able to follow the lasers with your eyes and predict where the safe lanes will end up once it starts slowing down. When in doubt just don't move. The chance that the laser actually lands on you is pretty low so you'll most likely run into a stationary laser if you're flailing around without knowing which direction is safe.

I'm glad it is over.

>>22393178
There was a perfect guide for it a few threads ago

>>22393393
Wav. I really like the MIDI versions, especially in EoSD, many of them sound more balanced and upbeat (some are even in a higher key), but the default MIDI synth is shit. Listen to a recording of them that uses a Roland SC-88 Pro.

After a hella day of unrusting, finally got my first IN 1cc! That marks the third game, it's probably not that impressive but i'm really proud

>>22400161
Okay apparently it was a mental thing I just did it again, with Border team this time. Idk how to feel 'bout that

>>22393178
>>22398793
Someone should add this to a Touhou guide or something

Step-by-step guide to get EoSD working on Windows 10:
>>first: remember to have your locale for non-unicode programs set to Japanese
>>Get the game from here: https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-embodiment-of-scarlet-devil-clp#download
>>This is a patched executable, it's permanently in English.
>>go to https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Game_Tools_and_Modifications
>>get vpatch_th06_unicode.dll, put it in the game folder
>>rename th06e.exe to 東方紅魔郷.exe
>>download https://ux.getuploader.com/swmplv75e/download/4 and extract vpatch.exe and vpatch.ini into the game folder
>>launch vpatch.exe
>>It should work now.

>>If you want the hitbox patch, get http://www.mediafire.com/file/vive3tpn34n45qe/EoSD_focus-only_hitbox_patch.zip/file and extract it to the game folder. Note that if you apply the hitbox patch, the game will crash upon alt-tabbing back into it, so don't do that. Otherwise, there aren't any problems with it.

>>22323621
No matter how good I get at Touhou, I still always struggle against Youmu in PCB and I don't know why

>>22400161
Congrats anon! Border Team is much better than the other shots thats why!

>>22402022
Define "good at Touhou".

What the fuck is up with Keiki's second lunatic nonspell? Sometimes it seems like there's no gap at all. Found a way to make them more evident by moving left to right in a wide arc but that's pretty awkward.

>>22409642
It's aimed so certain movements will make walls. I think you can just spin it.

>>22409678
Got it, I'll try spinning. Thanks.

MarisaW more like MarisaB.
I can't even clear normal mode with Youmu/Reimu and still beat the extra stage.

>>22381863
I mean, by default you're fucked. You're fucked on every single one of Koishi's spellcards. You just need to unfuck yourself.

>>22409856
She has a tendency to either be the best shot type in the game or completely useless.

>>22323621
Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I saw nowhere else righter, so it'll have to do
newfag here, thinking of getting into 2hu, only shmup I've played before is 1943, where do I begin?

>>22415325
EoSD, with vpatch on Windows newer than XP. PCB if you can’t be assed for 10 seconds to change the filenames and such for vpatch to work
Get the all-in-one pack on nyaa.si

>>22381943
>>22390066
okay yeah. rorschach was easy, other sources were telling me it was a hard one but it's way simple. also i'm getting way better at consistently passing id/ego so something's going right
i choked right after it on the non-spell like an idiot but i'll blame that on alcohol
getting closer and closer to genetics and philosophy and that worries me

>>22390066
>Genetics of the Subconscious is one giant "fuck you" from ZUN
it's static just lern

>>22394984
>>22395237
slowly tap in the direction of the spin near the end to adjust to where the lasers end up

>>22414071
aren't we all?

Someone please post a chart, I never updated mine when WBaWC came out.

>>22424790

>>22424849
I think LoLK should have easymodo.

>>22425067
if you want an easy LoLK legacy clear on Normal use Reisen. I got it on my first try
The trick is to always have a shield up after stage 1 (or 2 if you're good at it) and graze aggressively for tons of extends
I finished Junko with like 5 lives left

>>22426225
Not him, but I also found Sanae to make it quite easy as well, due to the freedom of movement her bombs allow, making mass grazing easier.

>>22429950
>due to the freedom of movement
This post is fucking surreal. It's not about the movement, LoLK Sanae is the only character that can graze during her invincibility time.

>>22430354
Indeed, but the fact that she can move freely allows for more grazing.

>>22425067
Yeah, it's called point device.

>find a bullet type I like in 6
>my peripheral vision is getting better
>dodges are getting slightly better
>finally get more than half way through 6 on normal
>starting to really enjoy the music

So is this a series that just gets better with every entry because I’m starting to have a lot of fun.

>>22425067
>>22433396

>>22436370
you should tell me who are you quoting

SoEW is fucking bullshit
At least I now know Reimu can change her scent

>>22436370
please dont misuse quote and spoiler function

newfag again
how the fucketh am I supposed to bet the level 20 boss of The Highly Responsive to Prayers, and I probably died at least 30 times to the level 15 one, am I perhaps not good enough for this genre of games

>>22441798
Hrtp is not a real touhou game its a completely different genre

Play 6 7 and 8

>>22436370
it gets much better but later entries are also generally much harder

also dont skip the fighting games they are relatively easy and have really good story modes, I beat them long before I was able to beat any extras

Most of the plot meat in 2hu games is gated behind you actually being good enough at the game to get 1cc endings and beating extra stages

>>22444738
This is a series with fighting games

Newfag here, any advice for normal Youmu? I can breeze through the game with Sakuya by bombing like a retard, but playing like that makes no sense and I really like Marisa so I wanna complete the game with her. I'm practicing on loop, but so far I haven't made any progress (I had a good improvement curve on EoSD, so I can kinda measure my learning)

Had this funny graphical glitch happen today on practice mode, with the background being zoomed on its lower-right.

I can't beat Aunn on normal. I keep forgetting to use my bombs.

How much better (or worse?) would the older games (or 16 and 17 for that matter) be if they all featured Pointdevice mode instead of Legacy mode?

>>22441798
If you're new, play the non-PC98 games first, that's how.

>>22448042
>I can breeze through the game with Sakuya by bombing like a retard, but playing like that makes no sense
Joke is on you, that's how newbies clear the games at the start. Anyway, you have more resources in PCB so if cleared EoSD Youmu should be no problem.

>>22448042
All her non-spells can be misdirected in some way so these are about figuring out the trick more than not

>>22448042
You break borders like a retard instead

>>22450979
>instead
worse, they weren´t designed for it
>both modes
better, more content

I just reinstalled windows and I forgot to back up my complete play through of Touhou 6. My bragging rights to my non-existent friends are now gone.

>>22458846
You know what that means, right?
Play through it again.
I believe in you anon.

i can finally beat th6 on normal using all continues
all of my lives are being drained to sakuya
time to throw myself into the stage 5 practice mode grinder until i can beat her stage only losing 2 lives tops

It seems TD has a quite nice diffculty spike on Hard. It'll take some time, I guess.

>>22448042
Check youtube for pcb no bomb clears. Some of them will probably have proper youmu fights.

Been playing through DS for the first time recently and I was wondering if anyone else felt that the difficulty balancing randomly spiked? I could breeze through most of the scenes on the first 9 levels but a few of them seemed extraordinarily hard compared to everything else around their difficulties.

>>22462908
that's intentional, in the omake file ZUN even warns against trying to clear the stages in order

>>22462935
Thanks for letting me know. Kind of an interesting design choice though I feel for the people who aren't aware and go into it expecting a straightforward difficulty curve.

Help me /jp/, How can I play touhou games on a Mac? I got this laptop for free and after changing the HDD it turned out to be a pretty decent machine I want to practice 2hu on the go now.

It's from 2011 and runs High Sierra by the way

>>22463181
Just use a virtual machine.

>>22463181
Use Wine
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Running_in_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X#Mac_OS_X

I got a problem on Subterranean Animism. I'm playing Reimu+Yukari and sometimes when I stop shooting, Reimu will keep shooting for 3 or 4 seconds, which is annoying because it stops me from teleporting to the other side of the screen. My keyboard is not at fault, and from what I've gathered, it only happens when I've been shooting for a long time without stopping. I don't see this problem mentioned anywhere on the internet

Is this a bug or is it working as intended? Either way, how can I solve this problem?

>>22463753
I forgot to mention it also stops me from bombing when I want. I have to wait for her to stop shooting to bomb, which means I die before being able to bomb.

>>22463753
I believe that's supposed to happen. It makes Aya's speed boost unreliable as well.
>>22463962
This shouldn't be a thing though. You can bomb whenever you want in SA.

Finally got enough resources for Youmu's alternate ending.

>>22463753
sound like latency, check the input latency/vsync options in the right pane

>>22465261
>I believe that's supposed to happen.
no. it only lasts for a few tenths of a second, it's always the same duration, it always happens, you can gap immediately after releasing shot (while post-release bullets are still being fired), and aya's speed is reliable because it always kicks in immediately after the last bullet is fired.

Exiting Shinki's dialogue instantly blow me up what the fuck?

>>22467225
Yeah, it's a known bug. I usually try to stay a bit to the left, to avoid it.

>>22467225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1k82w1VzUc

>>22467180
tested with thinput for giggles. aya speed starts on the 11th frame after the shot button is released. gapping works as long as the first tap is released once shot is released (tap can start while shot is still pressed). my quickest second tap was on the fifth frame with shot released, and it gapped. i doubt that there's a duration where the second tap won't gap, but if there is then it's four frames or less.

i was wrong about the shot duration always being the same and about aya speed being tied to the last shot (it's tied to button release; i'd dumbly assumed they'd be the same). usually, 3-4 shots will come out after shot is released, which makes sense if shots are supposed to persist for ten more frames since each shot takes three frames. but sometimes there are two or five shots. no idea why. this doesn't affect aya speed, though: speed still activated on the 11th frame even with an extra or missing shot. this explains why it could look like aya speed is unreliable, but if you go by feel then it's consistent.

Test

>>22444747
I finally beat it today. The final fight was so intense that my stomach sank towards the end. Feels real fucking good to beat it though, even if it was only on normal. It was the first shmup I’ve ever beaten as well.

I think my game plan is to try and beat every entry on normal, get whatever ending I do, then move on. Then, once I’ve got some skills and don’t feel like I’m fumbling as much, go back and try and get the better endings.

are the fighting games terribly hard to track down? Should I also check out the 3d fighters on the switch?

>>22469552
Actually, is there a torrent or Mega that has all the worthwhile fan games? I checked Nyaa but they don’t seem to have one.

>>22463753
It feels like that image is traced from a photo or video.

>>22342116
>>22342116

NSA? Which youkai you referring to?

So, I've reinstalled Touhou 6 because >>22458846

Also installed these patches:
DX8 to DX9 converter
Retexture Patch

I don't know how to install these ones:
Vsync Patches (Do I need this one, or is this just for slower computers? Also Japanese locale?)
Real Hitbox Patches (no read me file)

>>22470327
If you have windows 10:
Drop vpatch.exe. vpatch.ini and vpatch_th06.dll in the game folder, rename the game exe to 東方紅魔郷.exe.
Go to Control Panel > Clock and Region > Region > Administrative tab > Change system locale, and set it to japanese.
Also, remove the texture patch, you heathen.

>>22470367
Thanks bro. But I didn't change my region, I just rename the game exe file to “Œ•ûg–‚½ and it works.

Installed the real hitbox patch too. Firefox blocks shrinemaiden.org because it find the page risky. I use proxysite.com to access it and got the instruction.

>>22470623
real hitbox patch was a bad idea. The bullets are now harder to see and it interferes with the retexture patch. Luckily its easy to remove.

Now, all I need to do is memorize the patterns again and I can beat this again.

>>22462967
Having some lower-end stages having challenges is part of what makes a game charming and memorable. It isn't like you need to clear them all to advance to the next stages either.

>>22463962
>it also stops me from bombing when I want. I have to wait for her to stop shooting to bomb
then it is your keyboard at fault you mongoloid

>>22465385
Hold on, what is that layout and font? How do you get that.

Not related, but what's the difference between lotus Labyrinth and Gensowanderer reloaded?
Should I get one over the other?

What's the name of that 2hu shmup fangame with 10+ minute long levels and yuri scenes between levels?

I think it was in Chinese but I'm not sure. Alice and Marisa were in their underwear at one point.

>>22479882
Or was it Remi and Flan. I don't remember. Everything was just super lewd.

And the levels were actually closer to 20 mins. No joke.

>>22479644
>>22479882
Can't you keep your fangame shit in the containment thread?

>>22323621
I've only ever 1CC'd TH6, TH8, and TH16 all on normal.
Working on Prefect Cherry Blossom 1cc, so that I can get the first 3 games down. But Youmu keeps kicking my shit in. Any tips on her patterns?

>>22479882
Phantasm Dream and Chaos of Black Loong. CoBL is on steam and they are made by the same group.

>>22480140
>spoonfeeding
Nice
No wonder these threads are fucking dead

>>22480196
I do what I want.

>>22480196
>>>/a/

>>22479968
You can stream her nons by staying on top of her and then move down, watch a playthrough

>>22479968
>>22448042
Or learn properly stage 4 so you can have resources for Youmu.

finally.

Just played WBWC for the first time today. Although not the hardest game, to me, it's definitely the most infuriating one. The bullets are pretty much always the same color as the background, entering or leaving roaring mode changes the color of the background, picking the wolf means having an insanely big shot which hides the bullets coming at you, and spirit items appear every three seconds and make those annoying sounds which prevents you from concentrating, it's amazing how poorly designed the game is.

Having 1CC'd all Touhou games from 6 to 17, this is the only one I think is actually a bad game and the only one I didn't enjoy

Finally decided to give lunatic a go after playing hard for a few months. What is the absolute easiest lunatic clear? I've heard 7, 10, 13, and 16 are all on the easier end. What's my best choice?

We have a Lunatic no bomb, no miss, no roar, full spellcard clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi9JV3nuQcg

>>22491106
16 with Fall subtype is probably the easiest.
>>22491265
We've had one for ages. That's even his second WBaWC LNNNN.

>>22491106
Anything where you can spam bombs. Go for that LoLK lunatic champ.

>>22491265
Bringing the total to 7.

>>22491106
17 with Otter.

hard vowg was a pleasant surprise. had some unique situations and was nearly as hard as lunatic, despite being slower. also seemed harder to manipulate it into a groove of similar patterns.

added last-second failure for giggles. lunatic too because might as well; two months old but didn't have internet at the time.

Are the two Touhou games on the Switch any good?

>>22495095
Are these timeouts? That's pretty cool. What's next on your list?

>>22495480
Which one? I thought AoCF hasn't come out on Switch yet

>Finally 1CC'd all the games on Easy
Feels good man
I had 1CC'd 6/7/8 on Normal about two years ago, so now I'm hesitating between 1CC'ing all the others on Normal, or focusing on one game and going for Hard then Lunatic

mof visual glitch/bug. don't know the cause. did a quick search (/jp/, wiki, web, yt) and couldn't find any info. it starts at least as early as the menus after the game is launched, and it ends when the game is exited and restarted. acted up the most when there were a lot of bullets onscreen or when a bomb was used, so maybe it's tied to sprite count. scroll lock periodically turned on by itself, but otherwise everything functioned normally.

only had it happen once before, so this time i figured i'd save a few images. they don't really do it justice, though, since the visual garbage was almost always flashing at inconsistent intervals, not static. i also didn't catch everything, like sometimes a given type of bullets flickering or completely vanishing. and there was probably more weirdness that i didn't notice over all the other craziness.

i'll dump a few images, and i'll leave the glitched game running for a day or two for possible further testing.

>>22323621

>>22505896
Whatever file's holding the image data is probably corrupted. Have you tried redownloading?

>>22508748
could be. i'm using the invisible hitbox th10.dat with the english hardpatch. i get the same hashes from a freshly downloaded and patched one, so i imagine i'd have to unpack and examine individual files to confirm if that's the culprit, and i can't be assed to do all that.

but if that's the problem, then that would explain why this issue has seemingly never been posted before. still, it's puzzling why this would occur so rarely: twice out of 500+, maybe 1000+ launches.

1CC'd MoF with all shot types.
Also, why does shizuha spawn fairies on Normal?

Yu-gi-oh-dragon-looking piece of fuck
I swear to christ

What the fuck is with the music notes hitboxes in DDC. It feels like they are randomly generated or I don't know, they just feel shifty.

>>22491106
WBaWC with Youmu Otter
I think I spent 4 hours tops practicing and doing runs of it before I got the 1cc and I suck

>>22511040
>>22505896
To me it looks like artifacts from a dying video card. Would be weird to have it sperg out on touhou of all things but it's not impossible if it happens to occasionally load data into the corrupt part of vram or something.

>>22518002
hadn't considered that; i'll look into it. thanks for the heads up.

I bought a 144hz monitor so I can finally get a 1cc

>>22519614
Good joke.

>>22519645
do I look like I'm fucking laughing to you?

>>22519664
Go see what happens when you push 2hu games above 60fps and we'll all have a good laugh about it.

Lately these threads have been full of "how do I run EoSD" or "how do I beat Youmu" but no clears have been posted, don't tell me they all give up.

>>22524844
I've been playing EoSD on and off for the past few months and the furthest I've gotten is beating Sakuya. I have a hard time bringing myself to use bombs most of the time.

>>22524844
Activity has been in decline ever since we found out who's making these threads.

>>22524844
touhou is reclining

>>22525067
Yet you and I are both still here. Do we need to go through this conversation again?

>>22525067
Who makes these threads smart guy and why should we care

>>22525239
Just because you and I are fools doesn't mean others are.

>>22525067
Hi there, I made this thread. As proof here's a sped up version of the replay in the OP. What exactly are you accusing me of doing?

>>22525208
This is the only correct answer.

>>22524844
I'm still trying. I can usually get to stage 5 with 3 to 4 stocks, but I usually blunder there and then lose my zen. I have no Idea how to get past the blue/red/green volley before Sakuya and Misdirection without a bomb. End stage Sakuya honestly gives me less pain than this. Then I get shot by really fast bullets from Remilia and lose so much temper that I close my computer and let a day pass.

>>22528460
>stage 5
Don't move while the fairies are shooting, then as the bullets get close to you, just tap left or right once per wave.
>Sakuya
Same thing, just stop moving while she fires the red kunai bullets, then start moving to the side as she fires the knives.
>Remilia
Her second non?, just memorize which waves are aimed at you and which ones are fired counter/clockwise. You should get into a favorable position before she starts firing and then just move to the other side.

tl;dr just stream them.

>>22528668
Oh,so moving before that makes the pattern harder? Seems like I've been hurting myself for naught. Thanks, I really want to 1 cc EoSD before advancing to the latter entries.

>>22524844
I'm about to give up. I used to post my 1cc months ago. But I got stuck with Orin in July. I can't seem to beat her. So I stopped playing for a while and got focused on the fighting games instead.

Either my skill is gone or TD is just to hard

>>22529760
What difficulty?

>>22529790
Lunatic

>>22529760
TD bullets move slower than /jp/, anon.
Shotgun more and trance more for resources

>>22323621
Reminder that /v/'s having a GOTD tournament and LOLK is on there.

>>>/v/487671432

>>22530437
>Touhou 15: The Legacy of the Lunatic Kingdom vs. Undertale
Ain't happening chief

>>22530437
>up against undertale
And just like that it's out in the first round
LOLK isn't even the best touhou game from this decade

>>22530483
>LOLK isn't even the best touhou game from this decade
The most memorable one, though

>>22530562
No.

twenty minutes. that's all. just twenty minutes without doing something completely retarded.
...nm attempts are hell.

>>22531272
Yes

I'll try to get the alternate endings now.

>>22528817
>>22524910
Playing on and off is the worst, if you want to progress you need to be constant. Even 30 minutes every day is enough.

>>22525208
Touhou danmaku unironically might. I don't see how generation of kids raised on mobile gaming will be able to play those games.

>>22540009
I mean, CAVE has seen a lot of success with mobile danmaku, but that's a dark path that ZUN would probably kill himself before taking.

Page 9 in 2 hours, huh.

Is there a worse feeling than being careless and eating a hit on Stage 1?
I feel like a fucking retard every single time.

>>22541687
Lurker reporting in, this thread isn't AS dead as it looks, at least +1.
Grinding away at completion/1CC attempts with what free time I actually have, don't get enough practice in to actually progress in any meaningful way.

>>22541687
Someone is massbumping again

>>22541808
>Is there a worse feeling than being careless and eating a hit on Stage 1?
>Stage 1
you have not yet begun to feel.

>>22542184
I don't get what you mean.
When I die at a late stage I usually accept it as a "shit happens" moment, later stages are harder and are supposed to kill you often before you learn them.
Dying on the first stage on normal however is almost always self-inflicted and kills flow and motivation instantly.

>>22541808
>>22542228
Stage 1 isn't always free. MoF, SA and LoLK have legitimately hard parts in their first stage.

>>22542604
Haven't played LoLK yet but which parts in stage 1 MoF and SA did you find challenging? Not trying to be condescending, just curious.

>>22542228
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve died on stage 1 and started playing like dogshit out of tilt.

>>22540954
This is the generation that thinks undertale was a hard game. This whole genre will be dead in a few years.

>>22545363
Oh don't be such a fucking snob now. People liking easy games is perfectly fine and not an attack on us liking hard games.

>>22545468
They can like whatever they want but nobody is playing difficult games anymore, which will lead to the death of this genre.

>>22545493
I feel like people these days prefer short bursts of difficulty rather than a long enduring gauntlet. Wonder if another full game with a gimmick like Pointdevice would work, it was a pretty good idea and it allowed ZUN to make LoLK the hardest game in the series.

>>22545325
He is probably refering to Minoriko's final spell and Yamame's opener.

>>22541808
Screwing up on 3-4 is the worst
Early hits are just a painless restart, dying later on is expected
Dying in the middle really kills your hope for being able to finish AND you just wasted a lot of time going through the motions on 1-3

Even listening to Shou's theme pisses me off

>>22409856
I gave extra a try after I saw your post and can't believe you were right. What a joke of a stage.

>>22546049
DUN DUNDUN
DUN DUN DUNDUN

>>22545493
The only solution is clear to me. We need to have our own kids and raise them properly.

>>22545493
Hard games aren’t dying, but the shmup genre’s pretty much dead at this point. There’s still a moderately-sized fanbase that enjoys normie “hard” games like Dark Souls and Cuphead, but what other notable arcade-style shmups have been released recently? It feels like the only ones people care about nowadays are either Touhou, its fangames, or pre-SDOJ Cave, and everything else is glossed over.

>>22545630
LoLK was the game that brought me back into Touhou, personally. There’s a community for the game LoLK was based on, I Wanna Be The Guy, but for its fangames; I think there’s almost 10,000 of them at this point. There are also similar games like Celeste, Kaizo Mario romhacks, and Mario Maker that are doing relatively well.

I think most people just like seeing that they’re making progress in a game, no matter how little it is. You don’t get that feel of progression in the vast majority of these shmups. Rather than bit-by-bit progression, it’s more like you either clear it or you don’t.

>>22550709
What about ZeroRanger, I thought people like it?

Can someone tell me how the hell MoF is supposed to be easy? I can't get past hard stage 2 on MoF unless I just bomb every single pattern despite having hard 1ccs in EoSD, PCB and IN without much trouble. I can get further in IN lunatic than I can MoF hard.

>>22551705
>unless I just bomb every single pattern
You got it. With proper power management you can bomb every single spell and nonspell in the game and still make it out with a few extra lives left. It doesn't get easier than not needing to dodge anything on most boss patterns.
You can also do this with Reisen/Sanae in lunatic LoLK which is why some people also consider that to be among the easiest lunatics.

Managed to reach Keiki's last on my nofocus survival run. Was a somewhat scummy run because of all the convenient, yet involuntary roaring cancels I had.
Had a good amount of extends as a result but I ended naked on the last spell because Geometric Creature mowed me down. Gonna spend the week grinding it.

>>22551705
MOF and SA have too much micrododge,like you can't even tap to reposition yourself because you go too far

>>22552500
You can time out the first 2 waves so the 3rd pattern is literally the same thing every time. That way you don't get destroyed by a bullshit wall like you did there.

Not gonna lie, trying to dodge that wall multiple times, along with the upcoming 4th set of kunais stacked on top, looks infinitely worse than her penultimate.

>>22550813
Honestly I never heard of it until now, but it looks pretty rad. It doesn’t look like it really caught on, unfortunately.

>>22552500
Is this no bomb too? If so godspeed you absolute lunatic.

>>22542228
>self-inflicted
Even the best players sometimes crash on the first stage. Shit just happen.

>>22554753
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>22554771
Thanks! Yeah, no-bomb no-hyper as well. Trying my best not to cancel any roaring either.

>>22542228
This kind of sentiment is what killed my motivation for scoring in these games, but fucking up in any stage of the game can also bite you in the ass and force a reset. No one really cares about a score that isn't at the very least top 3 worldwide and if you can't do at least the first 2 stages of the run close to perfectly, you might as well reset because the high scoring runs don't fuck them up. Then you have stage 6 bosses that are vital for your score, like Yuyuko and Keiki, where if you fuck up ever so slightly, then kiss your high score goodbye. You just wasted the past 30-35 minutes and all you feel is frustration. That's when the games and the grind to getting gud stop being fun to me.

Nowadays, close to nobody cares about high scores in general and I'm happy that most people stopped falling for that meme. I'm glad I'm not autistic enough to spend hours resetting stage 1 because I didn't milk a card for graze as much as I should've, or I missed a simple trick at the very beginning for an extra 100 graze, or I accidentally timed out a card while milking it for no bonuses. I can see how the few people left in the community still find it enjoyable, but fuck off, I have better uses for my time now.

tl;dr scorers are autists, I'm an autist, more at 11

>>22558158
>Keiki
I'm not familiar at all with WBaWC scoring, but is it something dumb like triggering as many hyper as possible while letting the final two spells running for as long as possible?

>>22558208
Yes, mainly the laser spell and the last 2 spells.

Dying to Murasa pulling back the anchor, just fuck me

Finally 1CC'd EoSD on Normal after a few weeks of intermittent practice.

SA MariC is tearing me apart ffs

Best shot type in 11?

>>22564696
Yukari.

FUCK

YEAH

>>22564565
Really, worse than Alice?

>>22570042
It doesnt even compare,she can still at least bomb skip just fine, and hold her weight on the stage sections
Nitori is next to useless almost all the time

>>22564696
depends. yukari for survival on normal and probably on hard too.

Is there a good way to practice routes in UFO? Like, after finishing stage 1 I have 1 red ufo in stock. Is there anyway to start stage 2 in practice mode with that 1 ufo already in stock?

What's the best shot type in DDC?

>>22570601
MarisaB

YATTA!
>>22570577
There is a practie patch here, you can warp to any pattern in the game and set your tokens too https://mega.nz/#F!Z451iaQa!POs7jXCdGrTS1_yP1vT6zw
>>22570601
sA

>>22570750
>>22570870
Would either of you care to elaborate? MarisaB seemed pretty much in line with her usual shot types and I didn't understand the description of how Sakuya's power worked. What makes these shot types good/better than the rest?

>>22571274
MarisaB's bomb turns bullets into power items when they are not from a spell, this means you can usually get heart pieces easily per bomb, she barely has to dodge if you can get 35+ lives a run.
SakuyaA isn't as scummy but her knives make bosses bullets slower when they are stuck on them,pretty much downgrades the difficulty. Not only that but she deals a lot of damage with them, has a wide shot for stages and her shield bomb not only works propely as such but it can let you PoC twice which means either lives or bombs depending on how you doing it. She basically has no downsides outside of some stage sections on Lunatic.

>>22571274
>MarisaB
Her bomb converts (non spellcard) bullets to power items. PoC enough at once and you get a life fragment. Proper bomb use can give you well over 30 lives throughout the run. Works better on lunatic because there's more bullets.
>SakuyaA
Her knives slow enemies (including bosses) down slightly, making some patterns more forgiving (really only relevant if you play LNB though). Her bombs are also either half-price (3/8 to be exact, if you don't get hit again) or save you from a second mistake AND give you another free item collect.

>>22570870
>>22569981
Congrats dudes.

Why is there no Touhou anime?

>>22575999
Because anime adaptation ruins everything

>>22332134
hnnng alice i'm trying to evade this danmaku but i'm dummy thicc and my ass cheeks keep getting caught between bullets

>>22524844
2-3 runs per day
I can reach meiling consistently now but her spinning rainbow gives me some trouble
I die to patchoulli though and since i don't want to use continues it just means back to stage 1 for me

>>22323621
OKAY I ADMIT IT! CHEN IN PCB IS GIVING ME TROUBLE! It's not like I can't beat her or anything but GOD DAMN THOSE BULLETS ARE BULLSHIT! I CAN'T 1CC THIS STUPID GAME IF SHE KEEPS STRIPPING ME OF A LIFE EACH TIME I PASS HER

>>22582667
have you considered pressing X?

>>22552500
Didn't have as much time to play this week as I'd hoped to but I managed to find a strategy (if I can call it that) for Geometric Creature. I surely won't be able to pull it off in a real run, but passing the first two red waves might save me a life. Would be much easier if the red waves were redirectable, but beyond the first one they just come out too fast.
Practice mode history is 1/514 btw

I forgot that release is completely bonkers. 90 mins in and already a clear.

>>22582667
You have the vsync patch right? Chen gave me trouble before i downloaded it.

Anyone has the Orin guide?

>>22558158
try podd. scoring can simply be a vehicle to push yourself. and you won't have to worry about falling short and others not caring about your score, since nobody will care regardless.

>>22585853
Good job, anon! Do you use the down key to go slower, when on the bottom?

>>22592856
You mean this?

>>22596270
Thanks

>>22595929
Yeah. The down key is useful to gather the ghosts too.

Kanako’s first non is clownpiece tier

>>22597392
It might be about as fast but it's like a third of the length of clownpiece nons, which is where the real difficulty is.

Having to stick to the bottom for a no-hyper already sucks enough but then I realized dying to Keiki's last two spells is like a 50/50 to eat a spirit in the face.

What's the best way to deal with Okuu' nonspells where she flies across the screen firing projectiles? I can sometimes clear the first one, but the second one is a guaranteed one or two bombs. Is there a strategy to it, or do I just need to get better at dodging?

>>22598546
I think you can loop around the top for the first one but I don’t remember exactly how you do it. Watch Mino’s SA let’s play he explains it.

>>22596270
>>22598577
Finally 1cc'd SA, thanks, this really helped! Okuu is definitely the hardest non-extra boss I've reached so far, 6/7 of my deaths were because of her.

Another best attempt. Still had a few walls to dodge by the look of it but it felt so fucking close nontheless.

>>22554753
>Not gonna lie, trying to dodge that wall multiple times, along with the upcoming 4th set of kunais stacked on top, looks infinitely worse than her penultimate.
At first I didn't want to believe you, but I think you're right.
For now, I didn't try to time it out, nor did I practice it. Part of me wants to leave the last spell as a clutch moment to the run.