/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>22393433
Did the last thread hit page ten, or is the bump limit on /jp/ lower than on /a/? This is the first time I've followed the live release of a VN here

What will it take for me to wake up in Hinamizawa beside my beautiful witch?

>>22393467
It hit the bump limit, tho I'm not sure of it's lower than /a/. IIRC when Ciconia released, there was more than 700 posts

>>22393662
/a/ is 500, last thread here saged at around 410. The release threads probably just lasted that many posts thanks to rapidfire reactionposting. Same thing happens whenever there's some kino page or a plot twist or something in the weekly dump of a popular manga

Drowning Beatrice's cleavage in your filthy, sticky semen!

Koshka is very cute

>>22393730
Oh wow, someone saved my Rika chart from

>>22394012
it's a good image

So is miyao the rika of ciconia, or will there be even more characters in phase 2

>>22394064
I made it in 2015. Rather insane.

>>22394148
It's either Miyao or Koshka. Miyao being the Rika would be pretty cool though since at this point we essentially have Rika and Bernkastel at odds with each other.

>>22394177
I've seen it around a bunch on the web. It's always super gratifying to see something you've made get passed around by others.

*whap* *whap* *whap* that's the sound of me ramming my dick into Bernkastel's ass. her ass gets tighter each time i thrust. she moans in endless pleasure, enraptured by my power. My dick is like a winchester: hard, loaded, and ready to empty its clip inside Bernkastel.

ERIKANTRICE MANIFESTO CHAPTER 6 IS OUT:
https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS

In this chapter the real nature of erika will be explained:
ERIKA=KANON

Send your opinion and help
Booru:https://erikce.booru.org

I think gauntlet knights who don't have either gifted talent or Takano-tier willpower are the traitors.

They get super-advanced programs installed in their selcoms that act like alternate personalities and help them become great gauntlet knights. But those personalities are traitor programs and the original person is a traitor too for allowing that to happen.

I think 30% of the characters are legit schizos with DID, but another 30% are normal, talentless people who allowed the three kings to put programs in their heads.

>>22393730
fixed

I think the only way to KILL Italian anon is to impersonate him, get his theory wrong and have him throw a bitch fit about how this bastard is impersonating him and presenting his theory wrong.

Bonus point if people pretend to be fooled by the impersonator.

>>22394479
this is why i do a manifesto
stop be a 1bit goat and start to argument

>>22394479
or just completely ignored him

>>22393473
This but for my cute wife.

>>22394537
Your waifu is an angsty teenager and she's got an ass! Pathetic!

>>22394503
We know from weeks of experience that this will never work. Even a hint of acknowledgement, positive or negative, gives him enough hope to keep posting for days, and enough people are either genuinely interested or hateful of him that someone will inevitably reference him every couple hours
>>22394485
Several people have composed well-thought out arguments against your theory and you just ignored their points or tried to change the topic every time. If you actually cared about the truth instead of prioritizing your various fucking creepy agendas, you would have a more skeptical eye and actively look for evidence AGAINST your theory to try and counteract it before adding more and digging the hole deeper. Stop pretending you care at all about anything we say
>>22394479
Godspeed

>>22394571
>Several people have composed well-thought
that i destroy everything nice try

>>22394540
The fact that Rena's got an ass is actually a positive thing. She's not shoving it on my face, so it's not disgusting and she can still be cute. And if I want to humiliate her, I can do all sorts of things to her shameful ass and shame her for having one.

>>22394571
What y'all have been done for a week is not even remotely close to ignore him

How can witches even live and claiming that they're higher beings than human when they still got an ass?, embarrassing desu

>>22394608
Exactly, it's impossible. You yourself just renewed his timer by a few hours probably, and I've done it even more with this post. The "ignore" angle is a lost cause.
>>22394575
>no u
Truly a 1 bit response

>>22394627
>Truly a 1 bit response
all the respond take by other anons are just
>you are a fake italian
>you shittposter
>just ignored him
so fuck off just few anon discuss with me and the only one time i lost :
the letter in the 5th game and i put this in my manifesto!!!!
everyone else are just goats that can only insults without argument!!!

>>22394618
Witches don't have bodies and can change their form at will. They exist in the meta and project their image into a fake body when they enter a fragment.

>>22394657
It must be cool to be witches since you change yout body to w/e you want

>>22394663
That's my headcanon for all the inconsistent body proportions throughout the series. I'm sure they make ample use of that power.

>>22394657
The idea that Rika end up as meta being and bump her breasts up will never not be funny

>>22394693
>inconsistent body proportions
Only the original VN is canon. Alchemist's wankery based on the DEEN anime which was only made like that in an attempt to appeal to the Higurashi animefags isn't canon.

I wish Lambda was drawn with her original hair color in fanart.

95% of them draw her with yellow hair for some reason, which is dumb and doesn't even make sense. What was Alchemist thinking? Was it just a DEEN thing because they wanted to sell dakimakuras of the "new Rika and Satoko"? Is that why they changed her hair color?

>>22394717
you can't really based character proportion based on Ryukishi's alien anatomy anyway so technically manga is canon because Ryu was supervisor for them

>>22393467
Bump limit on /jp/ is 300

>>22394717
If we're going purely on OG body proportions, then Dlanor has bigger boobs than the Chiesters.

>>22394754

Erika animation I found on twitter

Rena is a fairly skinny girl, and yet her arse is super big compared to Satoko's boyish arse! Pathetic!

>>22395103
Not really.

>>22395115
That's a normal arse for a preteen loli. But Rena's is supposed to be even more plump because she's a teenager!

Kanon is cute
Battler have a patrician taste

>>22395344

>>22394754
Ryukishi was more actively followig the creation of the manga, based on that bonus. So the manga boobs sizes are likely the more canon ones among the adaptations.

>>22395475
the boobs in manga wasn't quiet consistent either tbf so it's more like choose your interpretation based on artists

>>22395515
what bits were inconsistent already? If it's just the general sizes being lessened down because the artist is less horny, it's not exactly the same.

>>22395521
>the general sizes being lessened down
if the sizes were changed due to how horny of the artists then it's a sign of inconsistency

>>22395532
There can never be some full consistency between artists doing a same series, it's unavoidable.
I jokingly said "horny", anyway. The WTC mangakas where the characters have the most noticeable boobs are women (Natsumi Kei, Karin Suzuragi), by the way, I looked it up and most are women, actually.

My point being, take Hanyu. She got a bonus omake in the manga where she flexes her big boobs at Rika. Ryukishi seemingly saw and aproved that, if not wrote it.

>>22395521
The biggest inconsistencies are usually in characters with small breasts. Anyone who's not generally accepted to be at least moderately well endowed will range from being totally flat to medium-sized. Victims of this include Satoko, Bern, Lambda, Dlanor, Erika, Evatrice, etc.

And let's not forget cases like this where a character will be drawn with different proportions by the same artist in the same version of the story.

>>22395588
Erika's is a special case honestly, I don't remember other characters being that inconsistent through the manga.

>>22395600
Satoko's in a similar situation, though in her case I'm pretty sure it's just because some artists aren't down with giving her the boobs she's meant to have.

>>22395663
that's some thin ass neck on the right.

>>22395639
There's some shenanigans going on with Erika's rack, I just know it.

>>22395668
Right? Which is made all the more hilarious when it's right next to some immaculately rendered tits. Clearly the artist had their priorities in line.

>>22395668
i want to squeeze her cute neck dry and see what happens.

>>22395675
medium tits would be more accurate. Especially in Umineko where most women are monster tits.

>>22395639
>>22395675
What if Erika's actually busty and just flattens them down in her normal dress? What we see at the wedding is her natural size.

>>22395690
Yeah. I typically put Erika at around a C, while most of the adult female cast is around an F or more.

>>22395390
based anon
but why battler is a mexican?

>>22395588
just in real world erika have the same tits of kanon
but in met-world erika have the same tits of beatrice for made battler happy

>>22395727
Because the pachinko art screwed up his colors.

>>22394479
Wait is this EP5 again?
>anon kills italian_anon
>realized how anon missed italian_anon and his theory
>other anons try to present Erikantrice wrong
>Tommorow plays
>red truth:"I can construct a theory with Erikantrice to prove this wrong"
>tries to ressurect italian_anon with the completed manifesto

>>22395727
¡yo onions el Luchador de Ushiromiya!

>>22395698
busty erika is canon

>>22395842
Based

/jp/ no naku koro no:The end of the Italian_anon

>>22395859

>>22395663
Satoko smells like preteen spirit.

>>22394537
Your waifu literally considered the possibility of becoming an underage stripper like Rina-san to earn money and live alone. She has no self-respect.

Not even Ange considered that possibility before killing herself. Rena is willing to throw away her pride and human dignity in order to escape from her shitty house in EP6. She's so afraid of unhappiness that she'll crawl through the mud and show off her smelly arse for money if necessary.

i wouldnt necessarily object to eating out ange

>>22396196
Why would anyone pay to see Rena's disgusting ass that she poops from? Who would want to see that willingly? She may be a cute teenage girl, but she's still a normal human with a perfectly normal body. Asses are objectively disgusting.

You'd have to be a real sick fuck who enjoys looking at such a grotesque human shithole because the thought of Rena having the most embarrassing part of her body exposed turns you on. Only a demented sicko like that would find pleasure in looking at Rena's perfectly normal, completely unremarkable, objectively disgusting puckered anus.

>>22396201
Rena knows that, she's not stupid. When she thinks about becoming a stripper, she knows it's not her smelly human ass that the audience wants to see. It's the total degradation of a human being, reduced to a naked animal devoid of dignity. That's the obscene image they want to burn in their minds.

It's interesting how Satoko or Mion would be disgusted if Rena sat her naked ass on their faces, and yet most men would enjoy it quite a bit. It proves that girls' asses are not objectively attractive or lewd. It's possible to want nothing to do with them, so their lewdness is subjective. Rena is such a perfect, adorable, smart girl, and yet... and yet... she has an objectively disgusting human body! Shameful! Pathetic! Humiliating! Even cute girls can't escape from the shame of being human!

>>22393730
>Bernkastel of Higurashi and Umineko may or may not be the same witch.

She's the Cat of the Box, so to speak.

>>22396196
She only thinks about becoming a stripper/prostitute for like 5 minutes before she decides to go and corner the bitch making her life miserable.

She chose murder over humiliation. But is that really the case? If she became an illegal underage stripper working at one of the underground clubs the Sonozaki family owns, she would be humiliated in front of her customers but her soul would be saved. But she chose to commit murder, damning her soul to Hell to be tortured and humiliated for all eternity in Hell after she dies in the disaster. Tsumihoroboshi Rena, the Rena whose angsty thoughts we were allowed to follow and become invested in, is getting her ass fucked by Satan's spiked dick as we speak, burning forever in Hell.

>>22396227
>Bern is the cat in the box
>Keropoyo is the frog in the well

>>22395842
This truly was a story about love.

>>22393433

what a chad

>>22395849
EL MAESTRO DE JUEGO, EL HECHICERO INTERMINABLE SEÑOR LUCHADOR

BATTLER BLANCO

JORGE WATON CULIAO FOME MATATE

RENA CAGANDO

ANGE HUMILLADA

>>22394313
the culprits are the same in every game if Erika is Kanon she's the culprit, personality thing doesn't matter they share the same body and since she's the detective she can't be the culprit, i don't care about the accomplice bullshit if she's kanon she's the culprit too.

>>22393433
How is she still so cool while doing that goofy walk

>>22394575
because no one can take your theory seriously unlike rosatrice or even the duncan one, remember you will never be famous and your theory will be only a underground shitpost, move on.

>>22396590
heard about duncantrice before but couldn't really find much about it, care to elaborate about it?

>>22393838
indeed

>>22396635
Someone make koshka blini edit.

>>22394296
and suddenly, as a very, very natural result I cum inside Bernkastel, but instead of pleasure I feel an indescriptible pain in my medulla oblongata, and now I'm losing control of my body, and, just like a puppet whose strings had been cut, I feel myself falling into the abyss, my sight becoming more and more clouded, the last thing I see before losing consciousness being Bernkastel's wry smile

>>22396590
I dont want be famous i only want prove that my theory is the true
If i want be famous i would post on reddit or tumbrl but i am here
Because here is the best place to find people who really love umineko.

>>22396661
I wouldn't put it past Father.

>>22394618
Unlike humans witches choose to have an ass. We don't choose to have an ass, so it's super embarrassing.

>>22396663
You're just afraid of posting it on reddit because you'll get bullied to shit, and probably proven wrong as well.

>>22396687
If i search reddit on google my computer explode.
I fucking hate reddit i prefer eat my shit than join soviet-union.com sorry i mean reddit.

>>22395771
Meanwhile in Baja California..

>>22396698
A secret getaway.

so
why did Yasu kill Nanjo and George if Eva had already solved the epitaph
why did she insist with the stakes bullshit for that matter

>>22396760
Because eva didnt solve the epigraph
Battler saw her in the gold room?
Lambda confirmed in the 5th game that no one can solve the epigraph during the game.
And yasu dont give a shit about the enigma for her the only important thing is battler.

>>22396781
>And yasu dont give a shit about the enigma for her the only important thing is battler.
I have troubles believing this since EP5 (and 7) makes it kinda clear thtn when the game has love or whatever (unlike Lambdadelta's) Sayo wouldn't kill anyone for herself after the epitaph is solved since that would mean her defeat.
Eva not solving the epitaph sounds more convincing to me though.

>>22396781
>Because eva didnt solve the epigraph
Where did she get the gold ingots then?

>>22396811
Actually, not just the gold, she's found Kuwadorian somehow

>>22396811
>>22396821
I was about to say maybe Yasu never realized Eva actually solved the epitaph but the Kuwadorian thing makes it suspicious.
Then again EP3 is not the truth of prime or anything so Eva could have died with the explosion in the gameboard and we're just confused by the fact that immediately after Banquet we're shown the "12 years later" stuff.
Or maybe Yasu didn't know about Eva solving the epitaph until it was too late, then Eva encountered her with Jessica (maybe already dead) and that's when Yasu could have realized her fault and told her where Kuwadorian was, I guess.

>>22396854
then again she has to know about the bomb to clear up evidence unlike she unironically thought killing everyone but her family and leaving them there was a good idea

Finished Ciconia phase 1 a couple days ago.
Are the Archive stories worth reading? Just extra slice of life or do they have important info/more character depth?

>>22396887
Retard

>>22396854
I honestly forgot that EP3 and reality might not be linked. But Eva still needs some reason to start the massacre in EP3, unless she just decided to off everybody for shits and giggles. So I think it's safe to deduct that she, in fact, has found the gold.

>>22396926
Anon I have other games to play I just wanna hear if they're REALLY worth reading or if I can safely skip.

>>22394663
I want Bern to change her body to one with a huge dick!

>>22396949
They're really important.

>>22396949
So what you're saying is that potential Ciconia side content isn't worth your time.

>>22396998
I wanna be done with it cause I have other shit to read/play, so if there's nothing big in them I would just save them for when the next phase comes out.

>>22396809
>Sayo wouldn't kill anyone for herself after the epitaph is solved since that would mean her defeat.
Eva not solving the epitaph sounds more convincing to me though.
This only in fake bern game
And even if this is true this confirm that eva didnt find the gold
Remeber the virgilia red truth: to beato didnt matter if anyone resolve the epigraph.

>>22396811
Krauss had a gold.
And yasu could leave to her some golds in the bank.

>>22396854
why eva didn't confess?
really for ange?
if the culprit was george would explain why she blew up the island and revealed nothing to anyone to preserve the memory of his son

What do you guys think of Gunhild's theory?

Who is the best 07th protagonist for you? I think it's Battler but it's mostly because he has the coolest design.

>>22397135
for women yes
for men age didnt matter

>>22396561
culprit-someone who killed someone
accomplice-someone who help the culprit cant kill anyone.

culprit isnt accomplices.

2nd theory
there are 2 erika: erika=kanon and a dead girl in the sea
the detective is this dead girl.

Finally found some time to finish the data fragments. I'm really curious as to what's gonna happen in in episode 2.

>>22397254
the fragments have some great comfy Higurashi vibes. I get why Umineko was too plot-focused to incorporate tips but i missed them

>>22397139
I was just thinking it's funny that all the male protagonists are so similar. Keiichi, Battler, and Jayden are basically the same person. Is the guy from RGD like them too?
I think they all have the same archetype but are tooled with details that fit their particular story.

>>22397139
Battler has the best design but Keiichi has the best characterization simply by how rollercoster his character arc was. Leo is cool but not nearly as developed as those two, Alan is great and has the best backstory and conflict. Miyao's mystery seem promising, I guess

>>22397508
Miyao is more of Cico protagonist than Jayden even if the latter feel more K1/Battler of Cico

Can we take a moment to behold the glory of Chloe's hips? Sure, her tits are perfect as well, but those godly hips man...

>>22397676
Too bad they won't make use of them for baby-making in AOU.

>>22396697
Make a thread about it on the Umineko sub, those people are autistic enough to write 3 page essays in response to basic theories, I fucking dare you. They're actually intelligent. Generalizing all of reddit into cancer is the brainlet sheeple response of an indoctrinated 4chan newfag

>>22397756
go back

>>22397756
Nope i will not make any reddit post.
If you are so smart deny my theory by yourself.

>>22397756
Why don't you post his theory on Reddit and then post the replies here?

Did a little chart to check the heights. adult Hanyu is pretty short compared to the rest, she's at the same height as normal Hanyu.

>>22397881
I'm actually considering it, but I feel like the pastebin and engrish are unpalatable to the eyes. Are there any erikantrice experts here who can tell me a good place to split it into multiple posts, or even better to summarize it in a way that sounds less autistic?

>we have actual unashamed redditors itt
so this.. is the power of tranny media

>>22397925
Pls dont post on reddit
What if they like it?
Thry will change my manifesto with normie ideas and destroy the magic.

>>22397979
You have the original pastebin so everyone will know you're the source.

>>22397925
I would type it up in English and ask him if it's correct. Maybe split it up by chapter, or if it fits, by 2 or 4 chapters.

>>22398021
Is so bad my manifesto?
I put many effort and time in it

How come lolis've literally got arses? What was God thinking?

>>22397886
why did Mions boobs deflate when she became an adult? Is this the curse of the Sonozaki family headship?

Why does the PS3 version put the full character names in the name tag? Not that I give a shit about that version, I just think it's a bad decision. It's cringy to see everyone's full name every time they speak. Their first name would be enough.

>>22395727
Isn't that the same skin colour he had in the original, R07 drawn designs?

>>22398100
more like style. The adult Mion sprite is based on the manga style which is on the tame side of Higu styles. That's also why her face is so different from Akane's.

Why the fuck is zts edging everyone with umineko music after holding it hostage for 30 twitter favorites?
Is he doing that bad that he needs attention?
Why the fuck didn't Ryukishi ask him to work on Ciconia then if it's OST lacked so many artists that it ended up using royalty free music?

>>22397712
What is this from?!

Tried to redraw the Shion eyes from Wata.

>>22398586
As reminder the original looked like that.

>>22398532
Ciconia's OST was indeed lacklustre compared to Umineko. Even in EP1 the OST could help you to deeply immerse in the story, whereas Ciconia's OST had a few cool tracks, but nothing that would empower the writing as it happened in every single Umineko episode.

>>22398624
Another problem was that most of the music wasn't even composed for the game itself
>dai just did some forgettable SoL music and reused some unused umineko music
>M.Zakki just let Ryukishi use rouge, an unused umineko song
>Royalty free music here and there than funnily enough fits better than the music from dai and M.Zakki
>xaki carrying the entire soundtrack with Apocalypsis and reused Haworthia music
That's pretty much the entire soundtrack of chapter 1
Meanwhile Umineko had
>hope
>goldenslaughterer
>discolor
>system0
>prison strip
>suspicion
>fishy aroma
And these are just standout tracks, the rest was all great songs too

>>22398682
It makes me wonder why. You would think 07th Expansion would have more funds now than when Umineko was first released, so you would expect an OST on par if not even better than Umineko's.

>>22398682
>the music wasn't even composed for the game itself
Neither was Higurashi's first four arcs' music, and it turned out alright.

>>22398844
Higurashi's first four arcs didn't cost 40$, and they were made on a smaller budget and every single song fit perfectly and was very iconic and memorable
Meanwhile the only memorable Ciconia tracks are Apocalypsis, Ominous, Clear Sky and maybe rouge

>>22398532
Ryuukishi used the royalty free music because he really liked those tracks in particular and wanted them in the game. He wouldn't have used anything else even if he had 20 more people willing to do music for him.

GAMEBOARD - The goal of the game is probably to see how long they can keep an iteration of the virtual reality going. If the mad scientists groups can keep doing their research, eventually they'll discover the same technology that enabled the virtual reality in the first place, and they'll try to crack it from the inside (Vier's group seems pretty close to that point, since they've already discovered how to transfer their counciousness, which probably wouldn't be a smoth irl, since they still need brains and spinal cords, but is easy inside the VR since everyone's already a program/copy based on the irl brains). Cracking the game from the inside probably triggers a hard-reset of the VR, with everyone having an unpleasant wake-up irl.

'GODS' - So after the first reset, the irl bots (I bet it's AI, not humans, who are managing the real world) in charge of maintaining the virtual reality, probably added the three kings institution as a failsafe to prevent mankind from ever reaching that level of technology. The three kings seems a bit like a joke, and probably are clueless about being pieces. Still they're important enough for Blue Miyao to want them dead. So they're probably the major pieces in the 'maintain the VR' side. While Vier, Toujirou and mad scientist in general want to see what's on the other side.

>>22399023
I do think they are in a simulation, but the simulation is replicating the world as it was before the end. So all the worldwide events and disasters probably happened IRL before the simulation started.

It's weird how the book of revelations has been hidden from the world for thousands of years in this universe, while it's just a normal part of the bible IRL. Higurashi had a soldier with HS trigger the war, while Umineko had Kinzo secretly acquire all the nazi gold from Italy. They all filled in vague, unknown historical events. Straight up removing a well-known part of the bible and making it so it was always hidden from humanity... sounds like VR stuff that wasn't the case outside the simulation.

reminder to all moralfags from twitter

I actually hoped them to remain loyal to their faction, never adhering to Miyao's ideals. I was a a bit sad when they did.

>>22399266
Not a good time for Lingji to have her period.

What if Beatrice never existed and Kinzo was just in love with his fictional waifu from an obscure old painting made in the late 1700s?

>>22399334
Who wouldn't be in love with a beautiful painting?

my wife

>>22399480
Those are some beautiful nymphs. To think Satoko is a couple years younger and already has tits like that!

Finished Ciconia.
That was something.

>>22399813
Wowowowowow

>>22399855
Wowowowowowowow

>>22399813
>ywn put your hands in Naima's small butt crack to warm them during a cold night
Why live?

>>22398565
a Manga adaptation of the Hinamizawa Bus Stop.

ladies and getlemen, i present you hinamizawa discord server admins

>>22400387
So are these 2 that do all anti-erikantrice posts.
Fuck off trannies yasu is a cute tomboy and Battler isnt gay

>>22400387
That wasn't the server admin lmao, just a typical member in it

>>22400387
absolutely disgusting

What's with this? Is R07 going gay again?

>>22400484
you've seen nothing yet bud

Can anyone sell me on why they think everything in Ciconia is VR? Because everyone seems to believe it as if it's a given, with absolutely no one providing any evidence or questioning it.

>>22400484
this is advanced gay, son.

>>22398586
Draw an ahegao with blush around the eyes.

>>22400410
fucking kek

>>22397135
Objectively right, from well understood biological factors that are not contested by the mainstream science.

That can be surprising, but you need to remember that for the vast majority of our time as a race:

1. Women were knocked up from the puberty into their menopause, or until they died (we have numerous proof of that).
2. Child bearing was incredibly complicated, and needed a young, healthy body in order to ensure the survival of both child and mother.

There are significant amount of studies made in biology and evolutionary biology about the best age a woman can give birth. By all measure, physically, that's roughly between 14 to 18. This has numerous explanations and causes, some of them in question, but yeah, 14 to 18 is the best age to get a baby, biologically, and that's probably born from numerous evolutionary pressure in our early human race.

A woman beyond 20 is, physically, past her prime.

fucking jannies deleting my post FOR FUCKING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>22400639
But would a 14 year-old be expected to be able to take care of a child? I'd think maybe the family would be expected to help, but that would get crazy if every girl in every family is getting pregnant constantly.

>>22400713
Didn't people in those times live together in really big families?

>>22400713
>But would a 14 year-old be expected to be able to take care of a child?
In agrarian society with no education? Easily.

>>22400713
>constantly pregnant 14- year olds

>>22400713
You're asking questions that are complicated. Not because we don't have answers, but because the answers are (relatively) complicated.

The extremely potent in-group female preference is probably a major part of the solution to the problem you're posing. Women have, seemingly built-in into their genes, and probably due to evolutionary pressure, an extremely potent in-group female preference. That is probably in order to protect females and children communally, in the earliest iteration of the human race.

Said otherwise and with less technobabble, when we were in caves, children were raised by the women, who were protected and had a communal society inside the cave: while men hunted for food and protected the cave. There were no male communal society, while female communal society was the most important thing that bound children and the future together. The data, studies, and even archaeological data seems to agree very heavily on that on that.

All men have a preference toward ephebophilia (and we did numerous studies, and that's objectively true) because 14-18 years old females are less likely to suffer from birth defect, and are the most fertile. While, at the same time, women developed a strong in-group preference in order to protect other women and children in the long term.

Said with even less technobabble:

1. 14-18 females are fertile, and less likely to botch their babies.
2. We have developed entire biological preferences/societies in order to ensure that the babies will be catered by all the women, who were protected in their cave by the men.

That's very old history, but it still constitutes 95% of the history of the human race, and it was imprinted quite importantly into the genes.

Not purely 7th expansion, though. Really interesting piece of social science, and it's interesting that Ryukishi knew about all that, but not really the point of Ciconia.

>>22400788
Where did that leave the men? It seems like they led a pretty solitary life, like they lived in their own separate world and culture for most of the day. I also wonder, given that almost all advancements have been made by men, how this eventually changed. Some men eventually got tired of not having control over their group and took over?

>>22400805
There is no in-group male preference. We haven't found one in our numerous studies, and with evolutionary biology in mind, we don't expect to find one.

What we found that was entirely unexpected is a built goal-based in-group preference amongst male. And monogamy. Both are stupendously bizarre advances, that probably helped the human race more than everything else.

In most mammals, males can't ally themselves around a common goal. That is a non-sense biologically speaking. We find female in-group preferences amongst almost all mammal races, but males allying themselves for a common goal is unheard off.

In social science and evolutionary biology, our ability to do so is commonly considered the push that, if I'd wager to say it without blushing, gave us sentience. The ability, unheard off amongst almost all mammals, to have several males building in-group preferences around a common goal. We don't know where it comes from, we can't really explain it, biologically speaking, but that's without doubt something truly unique in humanity.

The "fandom" we have today is just that, several millions years after. When you feel in-group preference with a guy liking Umineko, you're tapping into the thing that we can't explain but gave us a tremendous push when we were in caves.

Yeah, I'm getting poetic. Maybe not very clever.

Anyway, that, and monogamy, are seen as the two pushes that allowed us to go further than caves. Monogamy has been studied intensively, and I probably don't need to pontificate about the numerous well understood social benefits of monogamy. Monogamy allows men to be invested into the family they're producing, r/K selection strategy, the stuff.

>>22398804
For my interpretation, I think that the composers outdo themselves for the OST of Umineko because of the big hit Higurashi was back then (and still is).
Don't forget that Higurashi also has royalty free music, and it's a bang.

>>22400972
Maybe I'm dumb, but what's the difference between for example wolf packs and this shit?

>>22400972
>What we found that was entirely unexpected is a built goal-based in-group preference amongst male. And monogamy.
Perhaps monogamy was a bi-product of the former? I mean, if we're working together, and not competing to see who is the alpha male who gets most of the reproductive rights, then in addition to the benefits on focusing on a single family, monogamy probably also helped in terms of group stability as no one was hogging most of the women - of course, that's a far as quantity goes, quality was an entirely different matter.

That being said, I wonder how much of Monogamy started as just an unwritten rule, but was never fully practised. I mean, even today you can find several countries in which men, sure have a household with a wife, but also have other families under their care, which they've started with other women. Also, as far as history goes, men with power used to have several women, even if there was a main one.

>>22400972
Well I think monogamy was really the answer to my question. When you have a monogamous unit, men gain greater power and individuality. He's no longer going out to provide for and to protect the entire tribe, but also prioritizing his own wife and children who are also in turn prioritizing him. This gives men more autonomy to govern and innovate. Does this sound about right?

>>22396887
Nope. Just slice of life trash, much like Higurashi. You can skip or speedread most of it.

>>22401095
That makes some sense considering that, as you said, Higurashi was huge, and the composers wanted to live up to the hype. However, although Umineko didn't manage to be as big as Higurashi, you would have expected 07th Expansion to have gone all out considering Ciconia was their first WTC game in nearly 10 years, and it was also their first game that had a worldwide release, and in Steam of all platforms.

>>22397135
Is she saying that someone needs to impregnate her as soon as possible?

>>22401317
Why change from maricamen to mari?
Mari is soo normal

>>22401348
Marica is slang anon. Apparently doing this doesn't change the intent of the writing either, so that theory people had that Miyao was a girl and gay for Marica (whose nickname means faggot) in that one scene doesn't hold up anymore.

>>22395842
Beautiful

>>22401348
>Why change from maricamen to mari?
Wrong, it's a change from marica to mari. It says right there that it's Maricarmen's nickname.

>>22396561
There isn't a real definition how a detective is aligned. Erika could be still an accomplice in the 5th game. Dlanor tried to accuse Battler being the CULPRIT when he found the truth and said he lied about his prespective in the cousin's room.

Umineko's defintions of culprit, accomplice and detective are pretty vague.
Even Battler's red truth about the wind sheet suggested that anyone(!) is an observer which would include Erika, too.
In the end, anything that regards Erika's action as a detective is a facade, not to emphasize her role. In the end, she is an unwelcomed guest.

>>22396097
Load up on guns
Kill your friends
It's hard to lose and to pretend

>>22395771
>>22395390
Alright who makes these
where can i find more

https://twitter.com/zts_czl/status/1193477015740960768

As expected, they're all amazing.
Not inviting zts back is perhaps the stupidest decision Ryuukishi's ever made, and he makes a lot of stupid decisions.

>>22402031
Battler have rigth
In some way poison can be seen as small bombs ,very small bombs

>>22399480
Damn that's pretty.

>>22402002
I'm out of the loop here. Why did he not invite him back?

>>22401965
I do. I still need to upload all my works somewhere.

>>22402319
just do a drive/mega folder with subfolders.

>>22400541
Not everyone thinks it is (I don't), but it's a possibility. The very fact that VR exists and is such a major focus is already suspicious.

>>22401404
very good pic

>>22401317
>Maya is changed to Maja
I take this is a Swedish thing?

>>22402370
The thing is a good chunk of my Mega and Drive are already being used to host other stuff, like DameDame sun episodes, Goldsmith's manga videos, sprites from all the games, etc. It's also a matter of going through my messy folders and organizing everything.

>>22402031
This is still the most hilarious line in the whole VN. Battler best protag after Rika.

>>22402429
Yes, Maya sounds English or even Japanese before it sounds Nordic.

>>22402474
I still wonder if he was unironically considering that option, or he was just fucking with her and went with it because she didn't rectify.

>>22402722
I see earlygame Buttlord as someone who wasn't necessarily retarded but just didn't know what the fuck he was actually supposed to do. At that point he thought it was to deny the witch with anything actually conceivable no matter how boneheaded, so he threw that one out.

Still fucking hysterical though.

>>22401941
I think the confusion about the definition of accomplice is purposely vague because it has to account for Kanon and Shannon being able to basically do anything Beatrice wants while technically not being the murderer, such as freely transporting master keys or locking themselves in rooms with victims.

>>22402750
>Satoko's got one of those
Pathetic!

>>22399480
I want to fuck every single one of those sluts.

>>22402808
after closed the chapel shkanon can bring the chapel key in the boiler room.

so shkanontrice is fake

>>22402820
hehe, she has pants

This is it, /jp/ bros. I'm ending it all right now, I don't think I'll be able to find someone like her again. I already said my goodbyes to family and friends so I only have one step left to make in order to leave this pathetic hump of flesh behind. No other partner I have ever had made me feel or act the way I did when I thought about her, and now it's all over as it turned out she didn't even love me the same way I loved her. I can't find the strength to wait for Saku to be translated nor for the remaining Ciconia episodes to be released so I won't be around anymore. Thank you for all the fun times I've had here nonetheless guys, and make sure to keep bullying characters, especially Ange and Satoko, to keep reading and most of all don't ever stop thinking.

See you in the Golden land or in the next factory flashforward, fellow goats.


Also fuck niggers

>>22403002
dont do it anon
fuck your life is unique pls dont do it!!!!

now i discover the true ERIKA=KANON
help me to spread the true solution of umineko
use your life for something better instead of die
figth figth for umineko!!!!!!

>>22403002
There's more to life than bitches. Things will get better, Anon.
Just give it time.

>>22403002
You must stay alive to laugh at the human condition of Maricarmen

>>22403002
>ending it because of a bitch
I thought nothing was more pathetic than Satoko's disgusting ass until I read your post anon

>>22403002
One down, two to go.

>>22403002
Cringe attention whore behavior. Not even Ange would be able to restrain herself from laughing at your pathetic post, anon. And we're talking about the person who deluded herself into thinking that being humiliated and having her buttcrack exposed for all her class to see was a pleasurable experience...!

Go on, then. Just give up and don't die you fucking retard. Killing yourself over a girl is one of the most retarded things a man can do for fuck's sake

>>22403184
he want die
is our duty make him regain love for the life

EVERYTING for guiding anon's life to the right pact

>>22403002
Just imagine her taking a shit. Doesn't seem so perfect now, does she? The ass has equalized.

Don't kill yourself over some stupid human bitch that shits, dude. She isn't even a cute loli.

>>22403184
>Pissange
Surely there must be a story behind this filename

>>22403002
Now I'm sad.

>>22403002
If you're going to an hero take down a corrupt politician or something fag.

>>22400788
>>22400972
Interesting. Are there any studies that explained what lead to monogamy?

>>22403418
Civilization probably required men not to fight each other to the death over some bitch, so they invented monogamy to make it clear who owned which woman.

>>22403002
If you are going to an hero at least rape your crush and send us the video.

>>22403184
How can anyone find PS3 Ange cuter than this? Her face is perfect here.

>>22403511
So civilization created monogamy or did monogamy create civilization?

>>22403002
Imagine becoming an hero over someone with a literal human condition

I wish meta-Ange did more in EP4. She didn't help Battler much.

>>22399480
I wish I was born in ancient Rome or Greece. Fuck modern society and puritan cucks.

>>22403611
>modern society
>puritan
really fuck off anon

>>22402430
That's a lot of Beatos

>>22403617
Stop denying reality.

>>22403526
Civilization had to have created monogamy because we have (shitty) non-monogamous civilizations. Monogamy allowed civilizations to improve.

>>22403002
If you're going to kill yourself at least have a better reason

>>22402319
Got any of the superior ange a.k.a PS3?


just kidding pc ange is the right choice

>>22403690
no reason is strong enought to kill himself

Now I'm imagining Gunhild sister as a grown up version of Maja from Unteralterbach.

>>22402319
I can't take Eugenia Cooney Ange seriously. The balloon tits are not only ridiculous, but also completely unfitting for that skeleton body.

>>22403002
don't do it anon, there's no golden land for us goats, we have to do our best here

>>22403685
Sounds about right.

>>22402319
This version of the outfit is my favorite.

>>22403787
i like the closeup of her blushing

>>22403002
Pathetic.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5386020/1/The-Ushiromiya-Rape-Fest

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5499347/1/

Post classic Umineko badfics.

>>22403914
>Gannet
>boobies
>Gannet is canonically 13, which means she has Satoko tier boobies and a hairy pussy
WHAT DOES IT MEAN

>>22403946
Post the one where they mention that weird star cluster that supposedly appeared in Trianthology.

>>22403975
I don't have this one.

Whatever happened to the blue spook? He said he would definitely take over Miyao and stop the murder program, but he didn't do shit after that.

>>22403986

>>22404004
the the blue spook is the real miyao
real miyao was killed and a computer was put in her body.

Why is Seshat wearing a mysterious red ring at the end, when she's shown with her gauntlet?

I hope Phase 2 turns out to be a zombie apocalypse like Chloe predicted.

>>22403704
PC is tough cause in means imitating Ryukishi's art style. PS3 is also tough in its own ways.

>>22403799
This one?

>>22403002
>I'm ending it all right now
Good luck. Hope you go through with it to the final end.

>>22404138
yea

>>22403787
I need to make an updated version with the more recent body. As far as lewd clothes go I'm partial to this design. Still lewd but in a more subdued, realistic way. Cleavage, midriff, and thighs with garters.

>>22404145
Yeah, that's one of my favorites too. The crossed arms goes well with the expression, which I adjust so that she's looking down at her chest.
It feels like this is a new look she's trying out and is still pretty embarrassed about the exposure.

>>22403184
>Killing yourself over a girl is one of the most retarded things a man can do for fuck's sake
This. Instead you should take her down with you and make her know True Pain. Then sudoku yourself to die like a true warrior. Sudoku can make you win sometimes. I will be checking the news.

>>22403002
>her
Found your problem. Ascend to gayhood, child of man.

>>22399480
Holy FUCK, who is the artist?

>>22403002
Don't do it. Ryuukishi revealed to me that we'll get to see Lingji's hairy pussy in Phase 3.

>>22403002

Anon, this might be a bit late, but... I realize that having your dreams shattered is really painful, especially for the first time. But you need to realize that what you're feeling is fairly universal. You met a girl, you thought she loved you, which fulfilled a deeply felt need inside you, and this caused your brain to produce dopamine and oxytocin, pleasure chemicals. When you realized your love was based on an illusion, the dopamine levels in your brain crashed, causing you to feel horrible pain. But this is just a bug in your brain's reward circuitry. It will pass.

The attraction you felt is called limerence. And the thing is, if you felt it once, you are going to feel it again, for somebody else. Even if it feels like you won't. It's a part of limerence to feel that the other person is the only one for you. Everybody feels like that. But it's not truth, it's illusion. Your brain will make you feel this again, and the next time it could easily be someone who will reciprocate your feelings. As long as you don't give up now.

You see, life is ultimately a giant video game. You can have a lot of fun with it, if only you learn to play it. You can make shitloads of money and spend it on stuff you love. Or you can learn to pick up girls like a casanova. Or, if you're inclined, you can spend your time for some greater purpose, become a novelist, fight for the walls of peace, touch God's wisdom. But first you need to learn to play. And you can't do that if you forfeit now.

Keep on playing, Anon. Ryukishi believes in you.

>>22404389
how can be a 50 years old woman be so fucking hot

>>22404490
Rudolf is the third child, so I'd assume she's a bit under 50

>>22403002
Hope your suicide attempt fails and you're forced to live on this planet for a long time.

>>22403002
>killing yourself over 3D
YOU DUMB FUCKING CRETIN
YOU FUCKING FOOL
ABSOLUTE FUCKING BUFFOON
YOU BUMBLING IDIOT
DISAPPEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>22404150
I like it. Although the skirt should remain transparent.

>>22403002
My loli crush died when I was 10 and I got over it after a few years.

A fucking adult 3D whore leaving you isn't a good reason to off yourself, baka. Just forget about her.

>>22404897
I kinda like the idea of it being so short that it's almost pointless. Like you can just about see the beginnings of her butt cheeks and the slightest flutter exposes her panties. But if you can already see it all normally then it'd kinda detract from that allure of "almost there", no? Still, I can try if you want.

>>22404959
How can she have any dignity when her stupid-looking human butt cheeks are showing? How can she act so smug and angsty?

>>22403002
True love will find you in the end

>>22404897
How's this?
>>22404998
I'm not talking to you.

A co-worker at the place I work told me he's a professional airbrush artist who does work on the side for cash. I wonder how much it's going to run me to get one of these painted.

>>22405165
Probably something in the thousands would be my bet.

>>22405187
I knew there was a good reason to save up my cash

>>22405128
Alternatively, just forego the skirt altogether.

>>22401348
Marica is slang for fag in Spanish.
It made no sense for her to be Mexican and tell others to call her Marica.

>>22405310
Maybe she's a closet M.

>>22405310
I just assumed she had some weird sense of humor.

>>22405310
Slang might not be the same in the future. Just look at how "gay" changed over time from "cheerful" to "homosexual"

>>22405356
Marica, as a slang for fag, has been around since the 18th century. I doubt it's going to change any time soon. And this is slang that most likely originated in Latin America rather than Spain, so all the more reason to not have a Mexican call herself Marica (I mean, Marica did start as a diminutive for Maria, but you would have a hard time finding anyone using it that way any more, especially younger people).

Not to mention that, for all intents and purposes, despite taking place in the future, the way things have been written in Ciconia, old people are pretty much Boomers, whereas the young behave like Millennials or Zoomers, even their views on topics like homosexuality and other issues seem to be from this era. It doesn't seem to me that R07 gave it much of a thought how much culture would change in the future. Hell, the fact that he turned much of Europe into a religious State shows he knows very little about culture.

>>22405388
Who gives a fuck about how our culture will evolve in the future when the story takes place after a world war that almost made humanity go extinct? Culture can change in the drop of a hat after something like that. Hell, it's already happening IRL without the need of a disaster, thanks to SJW media and American influence.

>>22404150
Very cool now make a big titty Bern

>>22405128
Maybe a bit less transparent. They have to be just transparent where, if you were to look a bit closely, you can see the panties.

>>22405388
>Hell, the fact that he turned much of Europe into a religious State shows he knows very little about culture.
>implying Europe won't be controlled by religion in our world in the future

>>22405434
It'd be faster and easier to make nude edits of preexisting fanart. Here's one I recently started of Ichini's art.

>>22405447
Like this?

>>22405452
IRL Paris is overrun with muslims as we speak. The city fucking ruined.

>>22405474
Yes. It's perfect.

ange only masturbates to the thought of women

>>22405432
>Who gives a fuck about how our culture will evolve in the future when the story takes place after a world war that almost made humanity go extinct?
That's the point, is it? You said it yourself, culture can change in the span of a few years, but you hardly ever see culture reverting to how things were a few years back. Culture in A3W AOU seems hardly different from the most liberal states these days.
Think of all the focus you have on retarded SJWs these days, and you can tell this shit is going to keep rolling in the future, yet none of that is reflected in Ciconia. Even if it's a story set in a world in which humanity nearly destroyed itself (or it actually did, who knows?), the way characters behave are not so different from what we see in our current world.

>>22405452
Yeah, but the ABN isn't entirely Islamic.

>>22405492
How about the top? Any ideas there?
>>22405501
She's a pretty big brocon though.

>>22405534
Nope, it's perfect.

>>22405622
Alright. Here are a couple other Ange outfits I made that I'm not sure if I posted.

>>22405640
Do you have a nude model with the updated body shading?

>>22405474
>>22405640
It's a big loss for the world Ange never had any children.

>>22405706
I think this is it.

>>22405719
>The world will never see another pair of Ushiromiya titties

>>22403002
Cya bitch

>>22405640
Got any edits of aunt Eva?

Reminder than unlike Jayden, Miyao is NOT a faggot.

>>22405814
Quite a number of potential lewd variations of her normal outfit.

>>22405820
>not a faggot
>wears makeup
>wears women clothes
>goes around at night to bars and arcades with that getup
Yeah tottaly not a faggot.

>>22405847
n-no you don't understand, that's meow not miyao!!!

>>22405461
Thanks. The world needs more big titty bernkastel.

>>22405839
Thanks! Looks good

>>22404138
Cute

>>22405461
Should've just edited the existing nude bernkastel sprite desu

>>22405734
Thanks, I wanted to make an updated version of this dress you made many years ago.

>>22405859
There needs to be enough art of her with big boobs that it gets widely accepted as canon.
>>22405870
I could still potentially do that at some point.
>>22405865
I'm glad you like it. Any designs in particular that stand out?

>>22405950
Man, that brings back memories. Maybe I should try and make a new version of it someday.

>>22405847
>>22405854
Are you shitlords shitting on Meow?

>>22405993
yeah I fucking hate that retarded little bitch

Lolis are girly and wear skirts. Why are lolis so faggy?

>>22405165
There's a documentary about a professional art counterfeiter, he prints out a high res of what he's bootlegging, then paints some clear stuff over it to give it a textured look. Could give that a try.

>>22393433
Gonna marry Rosa and become Maria's father

>>22405847
Fuck off miyao is a cute tomboy and jayden lover her!!!!!

>>22406439
Rosa didnt fuck if you are not her brother

miyao has an 11 inch cock he keeps hidden with 8ms

>>22399480
Somebody redraw this

>>22406495
Miyao have a cute tight tomboy pussy
And jayden will make her pregant.

>>22406537
No, they are just gay. Ryukishi is pro LGBT.

ive seen miyao harden with my own eyes

>>22406563
Nope r07 hate trannies but love tomboy
Mion is a tomboy
Yasu is a tomboy
And now miyao is a tomboy
Mangagamer force him to put lgbt shit for baits tumbrl
But all ciconia is pro /pol/
>war bad but army good
>jews try to destroy civilization
>law birthrate destroy countries
>china bad

>>22406577
yeah but the jews (3 kings) are the good guys in this history

>>22406595
>george
>good guy
Nice try tsubasa but senku willl win
Civilization>>>>>>>>>>>>human feelings

>>22406671
>"italian" anon spelling civilization with a z and not an s
way to out yourself

>>22406671
what the fuck are you talking about
I'm talking about ciconia and the 3 jews

>>22406802
Yes george is one of the three king
Only him is soo incel to wear a green vomit suit

>>22406845
alright I accept your concession

Reminder

>>22407004
Battler ,the detective, saw any planes hit the towers?

I read the Danganronpa games are very similar to Umineko, is that true?
I don't really know anything about them

>>22407061
I mean, danganronpa also is pretty much murder mystery central but other than that I don't see too many other similarities

>>22407061
They both have murder mysteries, other than that not really.
V3 has a dumb meta twist where all the past killing games were just "fictional" scenarios with brainwashed kids broadcasted to the world as entertainment, which would be somewhat similar to the whole gameboards in WTC I suppose

>>22407065
>>22407075
Well, they also play the same "give us a glint of hope and then plunge into pits of despair" shtik that Ryuukishi loves so much.

>>22407065
>>22407075
>>22407187
Are they at all worth playing?

>>22407202
DR2 absolutely, other titles not so much.

>>22407202
I liked it and the murder mystery stuff but it doesn't hold up to umineko at all

>>22406689
In Italian we use two z.
Civilizzazione coglione.

>>22407075
Not all of them dumb speedreader, the first two are still videogames.

>>22407061
Danganronpa is fun, but it's a third-rate mystery. If you don't mind that, might as well check out Kara no Shoujo series.

>>22407061
Danganronpa has some really good characters (and also a few really bad ones) but the writing is piss terrible. If you enjoy good characters you'll probably like it.

>>22405993
no but I bet "she" isn't an alternate personality or anything, she's just Miyao being gay

>>22406577
italian anon, you were funny at first but you're just obnoxious now

>>22407995
I dont want be funny ,obnoxious or else
I just want show the true about umineko

>>22408131
No panties? Damn.

>>22408131
living the dream.

>>22405820
>implying he'd be freaked out by it if he just thought of Jayden as his bro
I bet he gets hard when Jayden does this and that's what's bothering him

zts unfinished & unused umineko tracks
https://codeztslabel.bandcamp.com/album/-

>>22408200
She knows how to dress right.

>>22408571
I listened to these, pretty great stuff. Damn shame he's not back on Ciconia

>>22408584
>>22408571
So, ya'll cheapskates or did you chuck the dude some money?

>>22402867
Chapter was never locked, thus Shnkanontrice is possible. The accomplice pretended that they were opening the door.

>>22408693
*chapel

>>22408693
all the parents were in the group
for fake a closed door you need all accomplices
like i chapter 1(eva room) and chapter 2(chapel)
image use the same trick 3 times
a mystery of third class.

>Chapter was never locked
All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants! The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses! In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!! No key could be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents or any place of the sort!!
red truth
>all the key were locked inside the linked closet room
mansion parlor key was locked inside the chapel.
so the chapel was closed!!!

in the manga there wasnt your solution so your solution isnt the official one so is fake!!!!

CheckFINISHED checkFINISHED checkFINISHED checkcheckcheck FINISHEDFINISHEDFINISHED checkcheckcheckcheckcheckcheckcheckcheck FINISHEDFINISHEDFINISHEDFINISHED FINISHEDFINISHEDFINISHEDFINISHED <Die the Death!> <Sentence to Death!> <The Great Equalizer is Death!>

>>22408693
shkanontrice can works only if parents discover before kanon than shannon but manga confirm that shannon was the first.

so decide or shkanontrice is fake
or the manga is fake.

>>22408780
You really are good at ignoring whatever contradicts your belief. You'd make a great religious solicitor.

>>22408802
You really are good at ignoring arguing
psl list every thing i ignored or i cant argue back
instead if insult without argument.

>>22408780
>so decide or shkanontrice is fake
>or the manga is fake.
the manga is fake and shkanontrice is possible.

>>22408812
How about the fact that your theory is retarded from the outset? Erika is by design an outsider to the mystery. She was never meant to be a suspect, let alone the culprit. Literally the very first thing they do upon her introduction is spend a good few minutes ensuring that the audience understands this, having it confirmed in red that Erika is not the culprit and has had no influence on the previous games, that she is a total outsider added purely for the sake of this game.

>>22408670
I chucked him 700jpy. Kind of a pittance but I can't really afford much more.

>>22408868
ok
so you admit that the manga is fake
but ryukishi confirm it so ryukishi lied
so ryukishi could lied even on shkanontrice as true solution!!!

RED TRUTH: so is possible construct a theory with somelse other than shkanontrice as the solution of umineko!!!

Simply because umineko manga is wrong about the closed room circle, this level of reasoning is possible for Italian_Anon!

>>22408901
>so ryukishi could lied even on shkanontrice as true solution!!!
ryukishi could lie about everything and shkanontrice could still possible.

>>22408879
in the first 4 games erika personality didnt exist
lambda in the 5th game create her and put her inside kanon.

>. Literally the very first thing they do upon her introduction is spend a good few minutes ensuring that the audience understands this, having it confirmed in red that Erika is not the culprit and has had no influence on the previous games, that she is a total outsider added purely for the sake of this game.

ronove said:this game doesent have love\honor
all this was necessary in order not to understand the truth about her.

>>22408898
Good guy anon.

>>22408927
Well I skipped out on buying Ciconia so I figured I should at least throw zts some beer money