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i need a better version of this

Remember when PinocchioP was good?

I wanna see rin len and miku kiss each other

>>22296844
>did you listen to PinocchioP's latest song?
yeah. it was okay. nothing special.
aimaina was very cute in the pv though, so that's something i guess

>>22298180

>>22298192
>almost a decade ago
should i just kill myself for hoping for anything at this point

>>22298800
probably, yeah.
he's never going to be that good again no matter how much you hope for it.

Dunno if it's just me being a boomer but it feels like most of the vocaloid scene has stalled for the last years, there's a lot of good stuff but nothing that sticks around and become a classic. The classics from the first years of vocaloid are still the most popular songs and the ones that get covered by the most utaite/ doujin circles

>>22302730
peak years were 2011-2014.
I don't give a FUCK about anything before 2009
someone prove me wrong

>>22303880
Pre Miku days have nothing, but 2007-2009 had some classics. ryo was already active, MELT, World is Mine, Love is War are all pre 2009. Electric Angel is 2007 too

>>22302730
It's sort of an open question whether Vocaloid is closer to a genre, an instrument, or a particular pop singer. If the latter, then about a decade of stardom is as much as we could hope for. If it's more of a genre, one to two decades of prominence, plus retro periods and retrenchments every twenty or so years afterwards, is still in the cards. If it's an instrument, then it may have lulls and peaks, but it will essentially last for as long as centuries.

>>22298180
>>22298781
There is also this version.

Will there ever be a VOCALOID song that can match the grandeur of 千本桜?

Where the fuck is my wanopo 15 rip?

Where do you get your vocaloid news anons? And is there any good source of trivia/data on voca producers beyond the wiki and vocadb?

>>22303917
To me, vocaloids are an instrument. The main selling point of vocaloids is that they aren't bound to a specific subset of genres, so you're free to make miku do everything you want her to

>>22302730

I'm getting the notion that Project Sekai has been really making us all think about how things are starting to truly change for the vocaloid scene.

I'm starting to notice how the appeal of vocaloid is slowly starting to change for a widespread audience.

This sort of thing may be what Hachi was trying to prove with Suna no Wakusei all along.

It's not just how the vocaloid scene is "dying". It's how fans and producers are continuously searching for new life that takes on new shapes and forms.

>>22302730
I'm guessing by "the last few years" you mean from 2017 on. Of course songs from this time aren't gonna 'stick around' when they're still new, wait a bit. Just like Alien Alien from 2016 became a classic we're gonna have classics from 2017, 2018 and 2019.

>>22304417
Mikufan.com

>>22295112
Thanks.

>>22304890
>I'm starting to notice how the appeal of vocaloid is slowly starting to change for a widespread audience.
The writing was on the wall when Vocaloid merch started being avaliable at places like EB Games, Hot Topic, & Gamestop.

>This sort of thing may be what Hachi was trying to prove with Suna no Wakusei all along.

>It's not just how the vocaloid scene is "dying". It's how fans and producers are continuously searching for new life that takes on new shapes and forms.
Yeah, but at the same time that's exactly what's going to cause hardliners who've been with vocaloid since 2007 to say shit like "wtf everything's changed, now it sucks.".

I'm sorry that a lot of old producers from that era went mainstream and signed up with record labels but would you unironically prefer them to stop making music altogether?

>>22304890
Yeah and they're searching for it in a motherfucking desert.

t. forever Mad.

>>22298268
>Len
>acting straight
don't do that to him

>>22306048
Len is an absolute womanizer. Sorry to burst your bubble m8.

>>22302730
You are indeed just a nostalgiafag.

English vocaloid is producing bettet results than ever. Kira is popping off with hit after hit, Circus is doing great and Crusher might actually be serious about making music again. Ghost is preforming a show of their own. I'm happy with what we got in the west and tomorrow is gonna be better than today.

>>22306048
oh yeah explain spice

>>22306316
You're forgetting Anamanaguchi - Miku and Slushii - Through the Night. For me that's peak English Vocaloid.

>>22306440
Len talks about the taste of his cum in that one which is not exactly straight, busted

>>22306316
I’ll take the bait.

Kira will probably join with some utaite and stop with Vocaloid in a few years.
Circus? Well he is uploading more often so I’ll give you that.
Crusher? Oh you’re funny, she literally broke her own contract and released her music for free because nobody actually bought Concienta.

I will admit the western scene is slowly getting better but my prediction is that it will be other people who will carry it and make it better. Definitely not Crusher. Maybe Circus? Doubtful for Kira.

>>22298192
He had to go and start singing in his fucking songs

ngl this is a jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvO8kcWFFT0

If only meiko wasn't an irrelevant whore we could see her titties so much more often.

>>22306048
fuck he's so cute i just want hold him down and play with his small baby nipples while he's stripped naked covering his face all embarrassed.

>>22305264

yes, actually. I would certainly prefer for older producers to just stop. That is how it's supposed to be;

Vocaloid producers make a certain amount of music and then become fans again. Other producers will take the place of other producers before them. That way, the integrity of the music is never lost, and the vocaloid vocals will continue to sing through different personalities.

With Project Sekai, the idea of being a producer is now slowly becoming like a business: make as much music for as long as you can. This philosophy encourages vocaloid producers to "sell out", and lose all integrity eventually for the sake of money just so they can stay out of working at retail.

In reality, a music career is never meant to last for too long.True musicians understand that there's a limit as to how far their integrity can go and stop at that limit. That way, the emotional impact that they leave behind from their music can live forever in the hearts of the fans that the musicians originally catered to. I personally find it more respectful for producers and musicians to come to a complete stop eventually rather than change the appeal.

Eventually, producers like PinocchioP will run into that brick wall and will have to change directions or just come to a complete stop. With PinocchioP making songs like Ultimate Senpai, he may be at the point where he's gonna have to decide whether or not he wants to change the appeal of his music or just quit his career.



>>22305963
exactly, it's wasted effort. The desert planet is a metaphor for no matter how the appeal of vocaloid will change, the fact that the appeal of vocaloid is going to be constantly changing is nothing but disrespectful to the fans, both old and new since the newer fans will eventually become veterans, too. It'll always be an empty husk of what it once was originally back when Crypton first released Miku.

>>22308514
>he may be at the point where he's gonna have to decide whether or not he wants to change the appeal of his music or just quit his career
hes already made that decision going by the number of people in these threads constantly going on about how all his old music was better

>>22308031
your jam is shit. you spread shit on your morning toast

>>22308031
I liked that one too. Though maybe because it hit a bit close to home.

Anyone know where to get a hold of Noboru's releases from 2018 and 2019? Been searching for a while and I've found nothing.

is it finally time to shitpost about desert planet again?

>>22308269
That's the dream

>>22308790
that looks painful

>>22308580
Shitposting seems to be on rotation. We had UTAUloids, then wholoids last two thread. Let me check my watch. Yep, it's Hachi-o'clock. Let's dive right in.
>>22307471
That's the sign on a producer who's fame is starting to get to his head. Next step is to drop Vocaloid altogether and start a solo career. The bigger among them use Vocaloid as a staging point. If you're a nobody with no connections it might be hard to get your foot through the door even if you're talented but as long as you can compose a half decent song the Vocaloid community is waiting to eat it right up. Once you have a following and labels know you can move CDs on your name alone or at the very least you can shadow produce, you've got it made. Producers who stick too long with Vocaloid eventually want to have a bigger mark on their own music. Some start inserting their own vocals because they want to be the star and probably realize that the focus is always on the character instead. They want to be able to stand on their own and the more confident go for it in full. Others half-ass it like Pinocchio.

It makes you wonder why they used a vocal substitute in the first place. Oh yeah, to get popular of course. And it worked like a charm for some. Hachi for one. The man I love to hate. To him Vocaloid is like the small village he grew up in before he moved to Tokyo and made it big. One day the mayor of the village decided to pay him to do a small stroll though the old neighborhood just for publicity's sake. Some might get inspired, some might not remember he used to kick ball there. So the dude drives up in his sand colored limousine, all the villagers gasping in awe, never have they seen a car with 50 million views before. All the while the dude just has a frown on his face, looking at his old street and all he sees is a desert, a ghost town. If you ask him everyone who wasn't a loser either died or left town. All the villagers are happy Mr. Bigshot paid them a visit, not realizing how he looks down on them. He's too good for their kind now.

Worst part is, some were head over heels with the song because it fit their "Vocaloid used to be good, you kids wouldn't understand" narrative. Not realizing how Hachi-san was calling them a loser for still listening to Vocaloid in 2017 and spitting in their face. And why wouldn't he? For him any song with less than 200 million views might as well be a failure. Sure 50 mill might be a lot for Vocaloid town but Hachi got 500 million on his last single.
https://youtu.be/SX_ViT4Ra7k
That's half a billion. Let that sink in. Let that ceramic good boi walk right in. Some of his most popular Vocaloid songs combined can't amount to that much. No wonder he hasn't made one since. You're nobody to him. So you bought the Magical Mirai 2017 album? Good job. All you did was line this snob's already phat pocket. Maybe in another 10 years he will make one more song for you.

This dude couldn't be in reverie with the time he used to play with his grandma's matryoshkas, his head was stuck too far up his ass so what we got was Sand Planet. Fuck Hachi.

t.Salt Dune poster

>>22309349
I love Miku and I love Hachi and I disagree with what (I feel) is the message of sand planet but I still like it. It's a good song. I think he's right to feel like "his people" are gone from the scene. To an extent it's almost true. There's new people, making new music that I love, and he's making his own music that I love too. I don't need to take sides.

I like seeing vocaloids in day to day scenarios. Gives them life.

>>22309349
ryo with odds & ends is also pretty similar to hachi with dune.

In the end it all depends on where you are looking at.
For every producer that goes to shit I will find 5+ new producers that I really like from daily vocaloid top ten.

>>22309349
>Not realizing how Hachi-san was calling them a loser for still listening to Vocaloid in 2017 and spitting in their face.
Oh no, I do realise I'm a loser for still being a vocaloid fan past 2013; during the age of virtual youtubers and gatchas.

I'm not gonna stop though.

At the very least it's funny to read the salty pissing matches between normies and vocaloid holdouts whenever someone who came from the vocaloid scene and went pro uploads another vocaloid song/cover.

>>22308514
It's funny that you make the argument that producers only have a limited lifespan and at some point they should just stop.

Meiko was released in 2004. A year after 4chan was founded and a year before YouTube was founded. In that time: Yotsuba being the 404 girl, boxxy, pedobear, rage comics, YouTube Poop, seriously hope you guys don't do this, baneposting, advice dog (& spinoffs), etc. came and went. If any vocaloid producers have over stayed their welcome, it'll be because vocaloid in general has overstayed it's welcome (obviously it hasn't).

And even if a producer DOESN'T change their music style, people will shitpost about them anyway (eg. LamazeP).

Does Miku practice karate?

>>22311866
She has to if she's gonna be a Female Ninja.

>>22311220
>whenever someone who came from the vocaloid scene and went pro uploads another vocaloid song/cover.
You would have a point but it also kinda implies that Sand Planet is symbolic of old Vocaloid when that song is painfully Nu-Vocaloid. The only reason I mentioned Pinocchio and Hachi in the same post was because I wanted to make a parallel between Pinocchio's newer songs and how Hachi also thought it was a great idea to insert his own vocals into Sand Planet. It's the mark on neo-vocaloid. If Hachi thinks he's such a great singer why did he ever need to use a vocaloid in the first place? I don't think he could have made it so far on his own voice. In the world of 3D singers he's terribly generic. If I wanted to listen to his crap I would still be listening to anime OP/EDs. It's just J-pop. Vocaloid is the spice that makes it worth it to me. I also don't remember any "salty pissing matches" over Giga's Bring it On. It's just Hachi and his attitude. Like he's better than everybody the way he leads the pack in the song's MV. He's just so full of himself.

The saddest part is that I bet more than a handful thought he would make a few more songs in the future. But he doesn't care. If he thinks it's a desert why doesn't he do something about it? He is too important to waste his time on any of that. Implying Mitchi M is a loser for releasing songs and albums in 2019.

https://youtu.be/szsRrygP3V4
Can this song be any more TIGHT?

>>22312589
Entire album looks great, got it on pre-order.

>>22312606
Same here. Limited Edition.

>>22312524
>You would have a point but it also kinda implies that Sand Planet is symbolic of old Vocaloid when that song is painfully Nu-Vocaloid. The only reason I mentioned Pinocchio and Hachi in the same post was because I wanted to make a parallel between Pinocchio's newer songs and how Hachi also thought it was a great idea to insert his own vocals into Sand Planet. It's the mark on neo-vocaloid.
Deco*27 has been doing Utaite covers of his own songs since the very beginning.

>I also don't remember any "salty pissing matches" over Giga's Bring it On.
You must be blind as a bat. Pic related. The comment section is full of Vocaloid Holdouts (both English and Japanese) REEEEing at normalfags from Tik Tok who heard the Reol version first.

My comments about salty pissing matches was intentionally left vague because it happens to a lot of producers who went pro. For example Honeyworks Vocaloid songs are full of Vocaloid Holdouts fighting against normalfags who say shit like "I hate vocaloids, the singer/voiceactor version was better".

>If he thinks it's a desert why doesn't he do something about it? He is too important to waste his time on any of that.
He doesn't have an obligation to stay.

Thats why it's nice when Honeyworks/Deco*27/40mP/GigaP/etc. pays us a visit despite their mountains of normalfag money.

If he wants to leave there's nothing you can do about it other than moving on.

>Implying Mitchi M is a loser for releasing songs and albums in 2019.
Is he really? The song is about how the vocaloid community has changed (it has, a lot of producers have gone pro).

>>22312645
Never cared for Utaite. I don't think anyone who was into Vocaloid at any point would prefer real vocal versions. Only one I remember liking at all was this
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13560752
Because it's weirdly creative and different from the original with the layering of voices and still the Gumi version is vastly superior in my opinion. When I said mark of neo-vocaloid I meant the use of mixed vocals because the producer got full of himself and thinks he's a great singer now who needs to be next to the Vocaloid. That's doesn't have a lot to do with Utaite. I gave Bring it On as an example because that focuses on the characters while Hachi had to not only insert his "amazing" voice but also make some weird self-insert character. He couldn't just focus on the occasion or Miku.

You're right I don't read comments. As much as I dislike Reol I wouldn't blame anyone in this case because she wrote the lyrics. I will give her credit where credit is due and she can promote the song as hers in this case.

>The song is about how the vocaloid community has changed (it has, a lot of producers have gone pro).
I get the feeling that the reason they leave the scene is because they don't want the character taking away from what they think should belong all to them. All the fame, all the credit. Hachi had one job to make a positive song to celebrate the occasion. But he did a really cynical take on it, deciding to point out this evident change. It was painfully apparent he was paid to make it. Maybe Giga was also paid but you don't get that feeling from the song. It's why it was so insulting. It's like him saying "Okay, I will take the money but I don't get what I'm supposed to celebrate, singing songs in the desert."

Then all the "Holdouts" like you called them started patting him on the back for it. Reason being that someone who they looked up to validated how they already felt but it goes deeper than that. If it's a desert who is to blame for it? Were they chased out? The fans didn't love them enough? Their albums weren't selling enough? Like you said they weren't obligated to stay, they left by their own choice. Why should I pat him on the back for pointing out the desert he himself created? Why does he have to push into my face the result of his own actions? Obviously the desert must be a consequence of something but consequence of what? Apart from the producers who passed away why did the others leave? I get the suspicious feeling the song protests against that part of the community that cared more about the characters than the producers behind them. It's like a great star like him didn't want to regress into being a mere shadow producer for a virtual entity again. It's why he made it into a duet as much as possible.

If he were to sing 100% of the song in his voice and Miku wasn't in the video would you be able to distinguish it from a diss track? It's like him saying "We were called to sing for your party but I don't get what we are to celebrate, we're traversing a desert where nothing will grow for millenia, we all left because you cared more for Miku than you cared for us as people, if you still remember Hachi respond to me, I will sing for you for today then it's bye-bye-bye until it goes back to normal." It feels weird that he framed things this way. Instead of focusing on being grateful for his place of origin. He drives home how Miku is nothing without the people who used to make her songs. It's like the idea that Vocaloid fans put him where he is doesn't even cross his mind. It's why he is so full of himself in my opinion. He doesn't want to give credit, in his mind it was all about him all along and going back to Miku is to regress, something beneath him.

It's amazing how some people still resent Hachi and keep looking for hidden meanings behind the song when he clearly said what it was inspired by.
He really managed to create something people will talk about for ages to come.

You win a trip to Japan and diner with your favorite producer. It's Hachi. He meets you at the airport looking like this. He points to you to get in his car so that he can drive you to the restaurant. What do you do?

>>22313246
fuck his bussy

>>22306316
KIRA really is the producer of choice for every American tween brat. Fresh off the presses.

https://youtu.be/DxAo9E7OOCk

>>22313246
Cut his bangs

>>22306316
Name one good English VOCALOID song made in the west. Just one.

>>22313157
>If it's a desert who is to blame for it? Were they chased out? The fans didn't love them enough? Their albums weren't selling enough?
C'mon dude. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they all left. Homeworks wouldn't have gotten their anime without all those normalfags who listened to their non-vocaloid versions.

One could argue that 40mP never really left but even he had to write the ED for Chio-chan's School Road to keep the lights on. And all his new works are published under a publisher rather than self-published/doujin.

>>22313547
Imagine having to ask.
https://youtu.be/IimCdaFGj3I

>>22313157
>because they don't want the character taking away from what they think should belong all to them
Yeah, I also think this is the main reason. I remember reading wowaka's interview where he said that he felt like his songs didn't belong to him and got depressed because of that.

>>22312645
Deco has normalfag money? Did he go pro? I thought he just did vocaloid

>>22313573
>Homeworks

>>22313650
https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime-feature/2019/09/18/yuu-asakawa-on-learning-english-why-you-should-subscribe-to-her-channel
Yuu Asakawa, although not depressed about it, shares similar views. She says she feels that Luka Megurine has "split off" from her.

Slightly offtopic but it's really cute how into Rin & Len Asami Shinoda has gotten.

>>22313699
Some people get butthurt when producers stop being doujin. I'm covering all my bases.

Also, Deco*27 has worked with non-vocaloid vocalists like topi or Marina. Something that certain hardliners get upset about.

Also, he's released an album using his own vocals. Something the other Anon is seething about when it comes to Hachi.

https://www.umaastore.com/items/5938e377f22a5b1e8c0083e0

https://youtu.be/p-o_bMkzOW0
Is this the most viewed Vocaloid song on YouTube? Weirdly enough it's not even a Miku song; instead, it's GUMI and Rin.

>>22313814
You're just fucking fishing for reactions lol

Happy birthday Yufu!
https://youtu.be/YCgWUb_Qlb8

>>22312589
Got any other link ?
Video unavailable

>>22296844
I have a question for gentlemens here
Why did I feel like vocaloid stalled in this years?
Seriously it doesn't feel like back when it was 2009 when everything felt peak
What really happened ?
Also I quite like divela

>>22313814
Nice bait, anon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHdlw9F3KP4

The most viewed vocaloid song on youtube is actually Sand Planet.

>>22313879
Perpetual sunset since 2014

>>22313894
Explain further please

>>22313814
>>22313888
I've never gotten over how ridiculously sexy rin looks in that video

This is a pretty cool use of flower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFa98VMh2A

>>22313879
https://youtu.be/HK_Ct9t1U6s
The memories depicted here were a big part of creating hype. The stuff happening nowadays (if at all) is probably not as exciting and it feels like there isn't anywhere higher to go. This coupled with things like otaku moving on and the idol aspect not being pushed as much contributes to it too.

>>22313547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVnTQ6nmNg

>>22313957
>the past hype
Is this why I feel more happy when I watch an old magical mirai event compared to magical mirai 2017/18/19 ?
Also is there a solution to this problem ?
Any sight on vocaloid future ?

>>22306316
Makes me think, what English-language song would be great for a Vocaloid cover?

>>22314002
>is there a solution to this problem ?
Only one.

>>22314050
Suicidal vocaloid music?
Any recommendations?

>>22313907
A lot of the popular producers aren't self-publishing anymore. And there aren't a lot of new producers.

>>22313781
>Something the other Anon is seething about when it comes to Hachi.
Are you blind? Did you miss what I wrote twice? I'm a fine if a producer wants to sing on his own. I was talking about mixing vocals. Mixing Vocaloid and real vocals and I explained in what context. This is not about utaite neither is it about producers not making Vocaloid songs exclusively. It's none of my concern who they work with or how they make their money. Hachi just let fame get to his head, it's why he made a song where he projects being bigger than Miku.

>>22313573
I also don't care if non Vocaloid versions exist. No matter which one came first. I never knew a Reol version of Bring it On existed but I knew she did the lyrics so it makes sense. It's very easy to ignore people like Reol or the non-vocaloid things vocaloid producers do. If anything certain Vocaloid producers are salty and seething when they discover that Vocaloid fans only care for their Vocaloid work or the characters. I could understand some of them feeling cheated when they see that Miku became an international star. At the end of the day everyone knows Miku, not everyone knows Hachi. In the beginning Miku was presented as a tool who serves her "Master" aka the producer. For many years now Crypton has been pushing her as an actual Idol who will take over the world. In a sense the tool outgrew her Masters.
>>22313814
This is the most deleted song on YouTube.

>>22314154
Thanks
Any recommendations on new producers?

>>22313864
Mmm, sorry. Doesn't seem to be on nico. Try this idk.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=szsRrygP3V4

>>22308514
>In reality, a music career is never meant to last for too long.
Is it?
>True musicians understand that there's a limit as to how far their integrity can go and stop at that limit.
Historically, music has been a life-long career for professional musicians. In the West the most famous composers generally worked from youth until their final days. Short careers are for pop idols, people who sell their exaggerated stage personas. The guy quietly working on soundtracks for mid-budget movies doesn't have a short expiration date. There is no reason he would. Why should vocaloid producers be like pop idols and not like other composers?
>I personally find it more respectful for producers and musicians to come to a complete stop eventually rather than change the appeal.
This is absurd. The same famous Western composers often changed their style over their lifetime. As a rule, I think people who create music disrespect their audiences' intelligence not by changing but by sticking to a thing that works and milking it into oblivion. When somebody dumbs down their music, they take a hook they've found and spam it.

Maybe the real problem is that people come to associate a name with a particular style, a particular type of song. It may be a good idea for producers to have different "brands" for different types of songs they make with separate circle names, nico/YT channels, etc. If you are going to try a new style, start a new brand for it. You don't need to to hide that it's you, but it help to create some distance.

>>22313957
>it feels like there isn't anywhere higher to go
This is why so many old fans are feeling gloomy, isn't it? Vocaloid has become a regular interest like any other, it's not new and exciting anymore and all the amazing big goals have already been reached, ambitions have been sated. It's now a normal, slowly advancing technology and it feels like a lot of fans didn't adapt to that.
>>22314050
I fucking knew what that image was before I clicked it. I knew it!
>>22314157
>In the beginning Miku was presented as a tool who serves her "Master" aka the producer. For many years now Crypton has been pushing her as an actual Idol who will take over the world. In a sense the tool outgrew her Masters.
I disagree with some stuff you say but this here is a really nice thought. It really feels like this sort of change has taken place.

>>22314065
https://youtu.be/blrfsn_04tI
https://youtu.be/YgOjPgqyGfo
https://youtu.be/8hYQqbRPJ4U
https://youtu.be/O0TtDeDiHcE
https://youtu.be/eBo3LU7Do9o
https://youtu.be/B2r2x78xmv0
https://youtu.be/SWtL0_z9lgA
https://youtu.be/FBGvm_sXMzQ
https://youtu.be/Kzbk7NaVDtI

>>22313547
>he doesn't know
https://youtu.be/N1-Z8uslIsI
Just download pic related. I'm still salty they included the Japanese version of Anamanaguchi's song. It just doesn't feel right.

>>22313961
I'm guessing this was a joke? This is a much better Yukari English song but he guy asked for ones made in the west though.
https://youtu.be/mS0X-0QU4Hw

>>22312589
>>22314221
Reminds me of the Turtles in Time soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV7YxfwT4r0&t=70s

>>22309349
This is some pretty heavy salt, Anon. I still love Hachi and Vocaloid and listen to both. Don't thing Sand Planet was ever supposed to be a personal attack, just him venting how alien the community is to him now. I'm sure she appreciates the start that Vocaloid gave him, but he also started like what...when he was 16? You make it sound like he was in his 30's, saw Vocaloid was an easy in to the music industry, and used it solely for the purpose of getting his foot in the door. It's more likely be just started as a creative canvas and probably didn't have confidence in himself or his teen-voice until years of support. You sound a bit jealous of his success desu.

I am slowly getting into utaite for the first time. My impression is that utaite fans more normalfag than voca fans. Is this right? It's strange, since they basically listen to some of the same songs.

>>22313957
No matter how many times I see this I just don't feel it. I'm glad this era of Vocaloid is over. How do I put this? It just feel too "Japanese". It reminds me of when I used to be a weeb. It has the same feeling as the original Project Diva that is equally outdated. As more time passes I realize I just don't miss Deco, ryo or OSTER. I'm fine with how things are. All I can say is sorry to hear you're stuck in the past.

it's the age of EDM and future funk

>>22314213
Ann-Melts P
https://mega.nz/#!wXwHwQzC!34A2euJrzuzY3CGiwnNTPLhRfgoKa4N8f9O_38tyX5M

Yoshi Kai
https://mega.nz/#!sS5Dya5I!cXkXFI8EmwKmmvtJiLNLB5MRAxUAwjsielKhenbvAuA

Milk Cafe
https://mega.nz/#!Mb51zYba!qTREGEs8QWPntzwPk3O5zibIjSM604Rg8d01j8Rncpg

>>22314389
I enjoy both. Is there something wrong with me?

>>22314366
Only if you're a no fun allowed hardliner.

Personally, 96neko's version of Wonderful Cat Life was way more hilarious than the original.

>>22314389
>It just feel too "Japanese". It reminds me of when I used to be a weeb.
If this was posted on Facebook I could see this as a genuine sentiment someone could have. On /jp/ this must be a troll post.

>>22314366
>utaite fans more normalfag
utaite fans *are* more normalfag
>>22314480
You may have misinterpreted my post. I didn't say anything negative about utaite.

>>22314366
I personally got into Vocaloid after I got bored of J-pop and J-rock. It seems you are going in the opposite direction. I can't answer your question but it seems to be a two-way street. Normalfags find their way into Vocaloid too.

>>22314327
If you ask me it sound like a Depeche Mode song.

>>22314528
>If you ask me it sound like a Depeche Mode song.
It kind of does!

>>22314213
VerSequence. I know he's not for everyone. But I like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQrSVfnNTAs&pbjreload=10

>>22314608
I really love this song. I was going to post it in response to >>22313547 but I wasn't sure about their country of origin.

>>22314672
VerSequence knows Tagalog so it's leaning towards Philippines (or at least Filipino heritage).

He's still a great producer though.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVL7fI2h0bc

>>22313256
>>22313432
These two anons successfully avoided getting Princess Dianad by an Asian driver with hair for eyes. The first anon however will have Hachi pay for the meal while the second might have to pay for it himself.

Is there a place to get the illustrations inside the miku packs? I've only ever found Samidare Overdrive's

>>22314480
96neko is one of the few utaites I like. But I'm also a Lenfag so...

is there any recent news about the official mobile game? I think it was called project sekai or something

>>22298800
How could that be when apple dot com is only released two years ago?

>>22314225

you have a fair point.

I've been thinking about how Kanye West has been able to really garnish a lot of attention from everyone and how genius his marketing is via the recent release of his newest album, Jesus is King.

I've been so fixated on this idea of

>oh people shouldn't change styles!

when honestly people shouldn't be too afraid to. I mean, if producers want to stay in a particular style, they're welcome to.

What I meant to say is that Producers shouldn't try to win the appeal of everybody at the same time.

Let's imagine something for a moment:
Think of this idea of changing styles like moving the hands around a clock.

each quarter of the clock that the clock hand swings to represents a different side of the cultural population on earth i.e. the different kinds cultures there are to appeal to.

the clock hand may be slowly moving around, but at any given time, it's at a fixed position.

The clock hand may start at a 12 o clock position, but eventually, it'll reach the 3 o clock position. Then the 6 o clock. Then the 9 o clock. Eventually, the clock hand will return to the 12 o clock position.

Of course, this strategy has it's ups and downs. You can always stay one fixed position or go back and forth between two different quarters of the circle, too.

Ultimately, it boils down to the intent. The intent determines benefits and problems of a strategy.

So how does Kanye West fit into this argument? From what I understand, Kanye pretty much slowly worked his way around the "clock" by only grabbing the attention of certain crowds of people at any given time. On top of that, Kanye also got people talking. Not just people who like his music, but people who hate his music.

When both the people that like Kanye's music and those who hate his music "talk", they're not just talking to an audience. The audience has their own way of interpreting information and makes decisions based on what information they receive and how it's received. The audience may be different between critics, but whether or not critics love or hate his music, there's a chance that both sets of audiences will give Kanye's music a fair chance. The talking is the catalyst.

tl;dr
its best to focus on one style at a time, One Set of appeals at a time.
if you want to switch appeal, do so.
However, it's not a good idea to try appeal to everyone at the same time.
get people talking, even if they hate the music.
The second people start talking about the producer, victory is assured.

I just wanna be able to play as her, bros. Is that too much to ask? I wish vocaloid expand to non-rhythm games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AomV8XBUoAc Listen

skip to the len part

How do you feel about voice providers singing alongside their voice banks? Chihiro Ishiguro seems to be infatuated with Yukari, for example. I don't mind it, personally. It's a different situation from when normal producers sing alongside voice banks, and it's fascinating how different they can sound next to each other.

>>22316335
Any opportunity to hear Naoto Fuuga sing is a good time. Only wish people tune Kaito to sound more like him.

>>22313580
>souless edm

>>22314417
>it's the age of EDM and future funk
Examples? I am gonna go ahead and presuppose you are talking if vocaloid songs with this genre

>>22316335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfW0glLj2pE

Very cute.

Also I unironically enjoyed Angel Beats.

>>22315281
a whole livestream with info was uploaded a few days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERo-sPa1a5g

is Giga just collaborating with everyone because REOL fell apart

>>22316335
that reminds me, i downloaded some absolute zero album a while ago and one of the songs was rute singing with luka (i think) sounded pretty weird.
if the singers voice pairs well with whatever voicebank they choose they can go for it, but rute sounded powerful and luka sounded so flat in comparison it was just bizarre.

>>22317467
REOL fell apart?

>>22317644
Yeah they quoted creative differences between reol and Giga-p

>>22317330
HachiojiP is one of my favourite producers and I think his new album is pretty great all around.

>>22317645
https://jrocknews.com/2017/08/reol-disband-performing-2-last-shows-thoughts.html
>The reason for the disbandment according to the official statement points towards “for the sake of development”, a way for each individual member to keep moving towards their own path, in order to advance through their individual journeys.
They don't outright state it but that's basically saying they didn't agree

>>22306316
>Ghost is preforming a show of their own.
How does this thread feel about GHOST?

>>22314427
>Ann-Melts P
This is pretty cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im23sOVl2pI

>>22318468
And this is really good, too. I love the way the lyrics are presented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_xhxeoNpA

>>22317126
did it look any good?

Which vocaloid has the most androgynous voice?

>>22318509
Judge for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFgQg3UDY0

>>22317664
Even if I don't like Reol's singing, she did write the lyrics for this masterpiece, so she's alright.

Kind of weird for them to split up suddenly after working together for so long, but musicians/bands tend to do that all the time I suppose

OC

https://youtu.be/FanB3BIKyZ4

>>22318529
flower, I guess.

>>22318704
>>22318779
Was Gakupo ever relevant?

>>22318468
All the Vocaloids working at a company where seniority is based on their time on stage. Luka absent (probably fired for underperforming). Yukari absent (canonically a jobless NEET/Let's player). Una is a moe anime waifubait loli. Rin has been promoted. Len is trailing behind. Song ends with incestuous infatuation.

Idea 9/10 - accurate and interesting premise
Execution 7/10 - having to tell a story detracts from the musicality of the lyrics
Video 10/10 - excellent
Song 5/10 - mediocre

>>22313942
You know, I think I'd enjoy Flower a lot more if she was used like this more often.

>>22319073
Pretty accurate scores. I'd rate the song a bit higher, but it's the concept and the artwork that I enjoyed the most. The facial expressions were great. Here is something relevant from the artist's Pixiv. Not many funny faces there, though.
>Luka absent (probably fired for underperforming). Yukari absent (canonically a jobless NEET/Let's player).
lol

>>22319114

>>22319117

>>22318926
Having only a handful of good songs, mostly a meme.

>>22319073
>Yukari absent (canonically a jobless NEET/Let's player)
Forgot to mention: +camgirl on the side.
https://youtu.be/79ExvrrKgbo
>inb4 someone calls me a Yukari hater
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

>>22319190
He has a versatile character design that can be cool or goofy. He also has a pretty good "realistic" voice, though not quite as human as Gumi's. Why doesn't he have more good songs?

>>22319225
This thumbnail is the lewdest I have seen on YouTube.

>>22314304
what song is that music video frame you posted from ?

>>22319234
I like Gakupo, but Una has all my attention now. She is just too cute.

>>22319245
Not even age restricted but if you post the thumbnail on 4channel I bet it's going to get deleted.

>>22319301
Let's see.

>>22319311
Madman

YUKARI ASS

>>22319280
https://youtu.be/0w6ix9VRPPw

Why aren't there English Voiceroids?

>>22319342
Microsoft Sam

>>22319349
john madden john madden john madden
aiueoaiueoaiueoaiueo

>>22319349
>>22319358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWbpSNkmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQByFjYczfE

>>22319349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vNhLYW_e4
Microsoft Sam was briefly in some funny videos. There is enough actually good English text-to-speech engines and voices for them. I've experimented with a few, and the Ivona voices were genuinely nice to listen to. However, none of these voices are cute 2D-type voices with a cute 2D character on the box. They just have a different, more serious character. They also cost a lot because they are sold as accessibility technology, not toys for nerds creating no-budget OC. It's a shame. There might be an English 2D-characters-and-synthesized-speech scene if English Voceroids existed.

Since the topic is on English voicebanks and Gumi got posted >>22319331 Maybe now is the best time to mention I got surprised to find English voicebanks used to make songs in Japanese. I knew of Japanese Vocaloids singing in English but not the other way around.

https://youtu.be/DWwFK2gjwa8

>>22319444
>I got surprised to find English voicebanks used to make songs in Japanese.
Do you mean "songs", plural? I was able to find only one more song like this through VocaDB.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34654158
https://vocadb.net/Search?searchType=Song&tagId=7059 (click "Advanced filters" => "Lyrics: Japanese")
Please post more if you know them. Gaijinloids sound kind of cute.

>>22319598
Are you sure you did the search right? I found 2 pages and this song was among them it says it's V3 GUMI (English) but I didn't check the rest.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30450081

>>22319722
>Are you sure you did the search right?
I am not. How did you search?

>>22319743
I just opened your link and then clicked advanced filters => "Lyrics: Japanese" others seem to be pondering the same though.

>>22319743
I guess this also counts because Oliver is an English voicebank. It was in the results and it's a really nice song.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30265082

Remember that one time Miku sung Paranoid Android?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUuXff9n2g

>>22319743
This song is amazing. Also among the results. Uses Luka V4X English of all things but it's also mixed with regular Luka? Not sure.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27040863

>>22319752
>>22319782
Oh, I didn't notice the second page. That was stupid. It has at least four more songs.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7281918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9v75vRQM-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXapGDXC0fI (Spanish)
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27040863

>>22319826
It's my favorite of the bunch. I'll be going through EZFG's songs.
>Luka V2's English database was used for the main vocal, while the chorus also uses Luka V4X's Japanese and English voicebanks

>>22319811
No. But I remember than one Miku porn parody of that pocky commercial. I love Paranoid Android and Radiohead. Thanks for the heads up!

https://youtu.be/h1WKkOZXfDM

Halloween wub-wub Miku

https://youtu.be/M-5OSd5x2uc

>>22319859
He seems to still be making Luka songs in 2019. Really decent ones. Perfect ammo to use against the Yukari army.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34612337

>>22320049
What's with this war between Yukarifags and Lukafags?

>>22320105
Advanced shitposting and senseless violence. Yukarifags and Lukafags used to be friends. Why must it be this way?
https://youtu.be/SSqw1VvpowM

>>22318468
Good to know you enjoy Ann-meltsP's work.

>>22319190
And Gumi's older brother.

>>22320105
Both of them are insecure about their favorite loids being wholoids.

otetsu will unite yukari and luka fans with his new album!
we can fight that green haired slut together too

>>22320181
>green haired slut
GUMI?

>>22320181
Hey, hey, hey now. Gumi ain't hurtin no one...

>>22320232
How tragic that she lost her arms in the great Lukafag/Yukarifag war, but good on her for trucking through it all.

>>22320181
She's a good girl!

Yes, I know you meant Miku and this misunderstanding is based on whether or not Teal is a shade of blue or green. But I wanna play along with the two other anons.

>>22320242
She is just squeezing her butt, anon. It's going back to that slut thing and explains her blushing.

Gumi hands were made to hug Rin anyway.
https://youtu.be/QB3YZ_VsZWE

>>22320244
I too was aware of what was in the spoiler but okay I will bite.
>>22320181
Does anyone really believe they can take on Miku? Haven't you seen the charts? She is 2x the popularity of several Vocaloids combined. If you attack Miku that means Rin will have to get involved. As second most popular she didn't get to where she is without sucking up to her boss. Rin knows to fear the leek and so should you all.

Is there a force that can stop the combined power of Miku x Rin?

>>22320455
>Is there a force that can stop the combined power of Miku x Rin?
Yeah.

Producers leaving the vocaloid scene for more money.

>>22320455
Magnet destroyed Miku x Rin as a ship for a decade

You know. I was thinking. What are the chances of the whole chocomint thing being a viral campaign disguised as a meme? Like for example the boomer guy made a viral meme out of Monster Energy Drinks, or Po Pi Po for that matter?

You HAVE donated albums to mikudb haven't you anon?

This song's been out for a while, and I'm still jamming to it. Good video, too (best viewed on mobile).
https://youtu.be/TcHvEFxk_78

>>22321244
Good stuff

>>22321244
Fuck. This Miku is completely, unambiguously blue.

>>22321244
I love low poly rap miku
https://youtu.be/DU1HjAPvHG8

>>22319811
This post answers my question in >>22314022. Great cover.

I require your cutest Una songs

Hate it when I'm listening to vocaloid albums and I stumble upon a song that I only know from porn MMDs. Makes my dick hard in pavlovian response.

>>22323156
cumbrain

>>22323356
I need my musical instruments to wear thigh highs and miniskirts to be into the music, obviously

>>22323156
Porn MMDs should synchronize the action with the music better. I haven't seen it done well.

>>22321244
>>22321946
Good songs. The phone effects in YY are clever and nicely done. I want this Miku to live in my phone.

>>22323741
There are a few but not enough

I want this in Project Diva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHvEFxk_78

>>22323741
This is what I hate in MMD porn. They try to make the movements go in rhythm with the beat of the song and it just makes it look unnatural and silly. Only one who ever did decent use of a song in a porn video was Acid39

>>22322972
https://youtu.be/jpLc2KQDy4w

>>22316335
I don't mind if they're well done
like whatever Hachi does sounds nice to me

>>22322972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpbUuBQajtc cute rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxxuefoiOM cute despair

>>22324449
Anon, I can see her loli nipples.

>>22324523
Sell me your x-ray glasses

>>22324155
Acid39 was a god among men

today is Tohoku Zunko's birthday :) say something nice about her

>>22324638
I’d eat her edamame

>>22324638
Happy birthday!
I seem to have two of her songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxPGWtUIKPU
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm33144765

How do you feel about Miku becoming a symbol for trans rights?

>>22324753
We failed as a fandom.

>>22324753
Hope sane people report it.

>>22296844
i thought vocaloid was dead lmao

>>22324753
I just don’t get it, she Is not trans so what’s the point

>>22324802
It's just the current year cycle of leftists ruining shit
There is no other reason that to take over a fandom and insert their retarded ideologies in it

>>22324753
Dumb and kind of annoying but positive.

>>22324753
flower is the one who should be a symbol for trans rights.

>>22324882
twitter trannies don't know anyone else but Miku

>>22313961
Her Russian is surprisingly good

>>22324753
They'll forget in a year or two, they keep hijacking then dumping themes/characters faster than NBA's stance on China

>>22324753
In theory I should be okay with it, I do support LGBTQ people irl but holy shit, from ebooks claiming that liking miku makes you a pedo, to people incessantly spamming miku is trans, (rather than making actual content that takes effort such as a song), I actually hate it now.

It makes me mad, because only trans people do this. People who say Miku is gay, have no problem supporting other people who make miku straight or any other sexuality. But no, trans fans, miku is trans, and nothing else and you’re a transphobe.

T. Actual homo sick of Twitter bullshit. I hope it dies sooner rather than later.

>>22319331
This sounds like one of the Miku Expo contest submissions.

>>22324753
It's basically a troll. You are supposed to get angry and say "WTF?! Miku has nothing to do with trans rights. Stop appropriating her for this." They are supposed to respond by calling you a transphobic loser neckbeard and then go complaining about how bad otaku are on social media. The complainers win if they get attention and grow their personal army of social media followers. Don't feed the troll.

>>22324802
I think it's just Miku's popularity and maybe her color palette (pic related).

>>22324813
I am far from anti-trans for personal reasons but I have to agree with this.

>>22325044
>ebooks claiming that liking miku makes you a pedo
What?

>>22325044
>>22325094
How does liking Miku make you a pedo? Isn't she 16? That's long past pedophilia, and I just came back from masturbating to a Gachapoid doujin.

>>22325077
>I am far from anti-trans
Same, anon. I don't dislike trans people, but I dislike degeneracy. And twitter trannies like whoever is running that ebooks account is pure degeneracy.

>>22325105
Underage = pedo in the west.

>>22324753
I only support the LGB community. Trannies dont belong

>>22325141
What does the top left hexagon say?

>>22325465
Something like "It is too late, you are already a lolicon"

>>22323921
i fucking love yy it makes me cry

>>22324753
You probably intended a frothing angry mob to form, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Personally, I couldn't give a shit, because I know they'll find a different symbol soon enough. And the art's kind of cute for westshit, what can I say?

>>22325465
If you don't see any of the characters in the image as an object of (romantic) love, you are not a lolicon, and you are a completely healthy person. 0% danger level.

If you see Hatsune Miku as an object of love, you are safe for now. Depending on your age, it might be a red flag. 25% danger level

If you see Kagamine Rin as an object of love, you are approaching dangerous territories. You should get treated by a lolicon specialist. 75% danger level.

If you see Kaai Yuki as an object of love, it is already too late for you/you already are a lolicon. Danger level is impossible to measure.

(it was translated in one of the previous threads)

>>22325513
>25% danger level

>>22325498
>>22324882
I hope they don't get their grabby hands on this cutie.

>>22325513
What if I like my mikus with big tits and birthing hips?

Just look at her.

Her both version are adorable.

Do ages for Vocaloids even make sense? I mean Rana is officially 0 years old but looks around 11.

i want to impregnate flower!

Yuyoyuppe is pretty good, what y'all think

>>22325598
Then you have perfect taste

>>22324638
She has a nice voice, wish she'd get used more.
Happy birthday Zunko

>>22326027
Used to love his songs, but the V4X ones were meh.(Mostly due to the vocals I guess)

>>22326064
Yeah I can see where you're coming from. I still like his stuff (like Draw, imo a decent album), but the older stuff felt more comfy in a way

>>22321155
Just donated 16 of them.

I was sure someone here on /jp/ would repost it for me. But oh well.

>>22325598
>implying those tits are big or those hips are good enough.
You are small time.

>>22326163
Why not fuck that fat bitch luka if that's what you want instead

>>22324753
I'm confused, but indifferent as a fan. As an advocate for LGBT rights, I'm more than a bit concerned that taking a character who was never implied to be transgender, but is in fact very stereotypically feminine, is sending all the wrong messages, because it basically amounts to deliberately misgendering a cis character for political ends.

>>22326141
Good boy. Expect a visit from the miccubus tonight for your sense of community.

>>22326179
welcome to the DRANS RIUGHTZ movement in $CURRENT_YEAR
They don't give a damn what the character was about in the first place, they only care about appropriating somewhat popular characters to make people believe their beliefs are "popular" or whatever. It's just a classic use of mascots, just this time it's to gain a political "edge" over some.

>>22324753
Some kind of weird fad that I don't know the origin of. I don't see many trans people actually being fans of Miku though. Do they know who she is?

>>22326178
Because her voice sucks and pink hair is stupid. I actually don't like "fat" Miku, I just have a very thorough image folder.

>>22326244
theres a lot on normal social media (tumblr, twitter, sometimes instagram) but i don't think they're actual vocaloid fans half of the time
its just ironic anime fans and fotm people who hop onto it to slap their political movements to something without fully understanding either and spreading their cancer around
pretty much what >>22326214 said basically

>>22326186
T/L note: a visit from the Miccubus manifests as a night terror.

Remember to keep Lens oral hygine in check

>>22326255
She did a great job on the /jp/ theme songs. And Madoka has pink hair. Don't tell me you hate the theme songs and Madoka!

>>22324650
These are nice songs.

>>22326337
What is your percentage?

>>22326341
Madoka fucking sucks

What Pokemon type(s) would each Vocaloid be?
For example, Otomachi Una = water/electric

>>22326455
Not sure about Miku.
Rin and Len would be electric type.
GUMI would be normal type.
Gakupo would be fighting type.
Yukari would be psychic type.
KAITO would be ice type.
v flower would be dark/grass type.

>>22326455

>>22326493
https://youtu.be/96F5V4r2aKY

>>22317330
I absolutely love this one. Will probably be ordering HachiojiP's album soon

>>22326517
>Orga out of nowhere

>>22325798
Can't impregnate boys.

>>22326589
Yes, and?

>>22324753
Citating from the wiki:
>Crypton Future Media do not approve of using Miku in politics. https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/4858322/

Trans rights is politics right? If that's the case, that little shit on Twitter is actually abusing Miku.

>>22326244
https://popspirit.bandcamp.com/album/never-the-same-again-thank-goodness

This tranny is pretty good despite who they are.

>>22326647
Instrumentals are good, vocals leave a lot to be desired. I can't even recognize the singer. I think it's Luka but maybe Gumi? I'm leaning more on Luka.

>>22326027
Love his works. Same with otetsu and OkameP.
https://youtu.be/jinsZiKpPhg
https://youtu.be/chiCY0uh2KU
Their artists Ruuya and meola are awesome as well.

>>22324753

this honestly pisses me off. The only thing that this sort of support does is insist that being a vocaloid fan is all about being an openly-supportive liberal and having a lot of clout.

I respect people for what they want to believe in terms of political outlook. It's not my business to tell people otherwise as to what kind of political outlook they should have.

If people want to be a liberal and support LGBTQ+, i got no problem with that.
If people want to be a conservative, i got no problem with that.

HOWEVER, my problem is that people think it's appropriate to be incredibly pushy with their political outlook and believe that everyone **MUST** be politically correct to be a vocaloid fan.

This sort of aggression is leading me to think that Miku is simply being used to push a political agenda rather than actually appreciating her as a character as >>22326214 mentioned. If MIku is being used for a political agenda, then there must be an intent behind it. I would believe that this intent is simply to find some validation in the most ham-handed way possible.

If the intent of the liberals is to find some form of validation, they could have taken the time to form their own culture from the ground up. However, they're incapable of properly forming their own culture due to a lack of experience in being able to properly draw and apply inspiration. so instead of going through all of the hard work of creating their culture from the ground up, they end up doing something that is called Cultural Assimilation. That is exactly what's happening to Vocaloid right now.

This Cultural Assimilation is causing people to forget what it truly means to be a Vocaloid Fan.

Allow me to remind everyone what it means to be a Vocaloid Fan:

it's about being in harmony and being fans and creators together. It's being able to add a part of your personality to the overall outlook of the entire world around us. It's about being able to share the same vision of how we all can see life together. It's about having one unique voice be the representation of the many personalities that are a part of it. It's about being able to come together regardless of where we come from. It's about being able to appreciate each other for our love for Vocaloid and respecting our differences. It's about being able to discover, appreciate, and express our personality.

>>22326807
miku is trans

>>22326822
>miku is trains
fixed

>>22327104
People always make that trans typo don't they? Maybe they mean transportation since trains are definitely /n/ related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnGZWuTu88

Hot take: LamazeP's best songs are when he's being salty.

God bless soulseek and based japs. Jewel war for independence by Yuuyu had been evading me for too long but a based nippon citizen has saved me.

What do you guys think of this design?

I like it a lot because she looks white and I'm kind of a racist.

>>22327608
She looks like Kaito

>>22327608
Quite the manly Miku

>>22327624
>>22327636
Yeah my friend called her tranny Miku just now and that kinda triggered me. Sure she has wide shoulders, a big ribcage and almost no hips but to me she is "white pride" Miku. I'll take her even if she were taller than me.

He doesn't like English voicebanks like me so maybe he is just trolling me.

>>22327655
>Liking English voice banks

>>22327757
Ya I'm really into Vocaloid English covers.
https://youtu.be/WB35_CQRUGs

>>22327608
I like the colors and I like how cool she looks. We have plenty of cute mikus, this is refreshing.

We live in a society

>>22327964
We live in a socwaety.

>>22327655
You sound so cringy dude

What are the most normie friendly miku songs?

>>22328272
Sand Planet

>>22328272
The World is Mine
Also >>22328277

>>22298192
guy has made like 2 good songs total

>>22303917
Vocaloids are mainly a way to rape perfectly good songs with awful sounding robot voices.

>>22327608
Good colors. Needs a softer jaw.

>>22326478
>Gakupo would be fighting type.
No steel? The rest is correct.

>>22327655
>tranny Miku
>"white pride" Miku
>English voicebanks
The time has come for you to become a producer, anon. These will be your gimmicks.

>>22327608
>I like it a lot because she looks white and I'm kind of a racist.
Why? Her normal designs are more white than this.

>>22327831
That cover isn't very good. I like Meiko but the tuning is pretty weak and chiptune Can't Stop just doesn't sound like a Meiko song. They should have used the Kagamines or Miku.

>>22328272
Strobe Light

Daily reminder that Kaai Yuki producers are NOT lolicons.

>>22328686
But Una producers most certainly are.

>>22328719
I'm not a disgusting degenerate, but those glasses really suit her.

>>22328272
most of kz's and Mitchie M's stuff is normie friendly imo

Who's Vflower's voice provider?

Uh-Oh...

>>22328730

>>22328900
>Mitchie M
Started listening to his stuff a few hours ago, I think it's pretty good.

>>22329160

>>22326179
> character who was never implied to be transgender, but is in fact very stereotypically feminine, is sending all the wrong messages, because it basically amounts to deliberately misgendering a cis character for political ends.
This is the problematic part for me, if trans people think Miku is a trans character, won't that set up those unrealistic feminine/beauty standards everyone complains about, and make trans people feel bad about not looking as cute as Miku?

>>22326337
Len is so cute he makes me wanna take care of him, brush his teeth, dress him, feed him... I'm not sure it's even a sexual thing, but maybe it is?

>>22329481
This is the same logic that leads a certain part of the Internet to claim 2D women need to be more fat, hairy and pimpled, which makes it really suspect.

>>22327286
this is shit desu

>>22328730
It's okay, anon.

>>22329698
Yes but it feels like the same people who are always complaining about both those things, I mean.

>>22329787
What is interesting is that this is a complete 360 degree turn from the previous idea of the same type. Not long ago the idea was to have basically perfect role models maybe with a few minor flaws to humanize them. This was seen as a social good. While I am not sure about that it beats the mindset that 2D characters should suck as badly as 3D people.

>>22329498
Sounds like you want a son.

>>22326807
trans are mentally ill, simple as that
miku is not a symbol for that shit

>>22330781
The songs in >>22314304 suggest Miku can be a symbol for mental illness.

>>22330790
ok trans

>>22330781
So it's not a political issue anymore, but a mental health one? In that case, if you want to ban Miku from representing mental issues, you'd wipe out like half of the Miku songs out there

do we migrate to >>22306634 once this thread dies?

>>22331318
Sure. Why not?

Which vocaloid producers are best at denpa?

>>22314304
>two of the producers for these songs are actually dead now
Feels sad, man.

>>22331448
mosaic.wav and Satsuki ga Tenkomori (i think they really only have one denpa song and it’s a remix though) come to mind

>>22331448
MolP and DaijobuP probably

>>22331448
Can some of Cosmo's songs be considered denpa?

>>22324753
As a supporter of trans rights myself, I don't care, honestly. Miku is still Miku, and, if she was real, she would probably support trans rights, being a nice person and all that. Then again, I don't consider LGBTQ+ matters to be inherently political, for me, they are more humanistic than anything, so I don't see this as abusing the "don't use Miku in politics" rule. I do get that other people have other opinions, and I'm fine with that as long as they are not trying to harm anyone.

>>22331976
Yeah it's weird how letting everyone have equal rights is always framed as a "political issue" instead of a simple matter of human rights. It was this way with black rights, women rights, gay rights, and now trans rights at the moment

>>22332167
Yukari please condemn this thread the politics discussion has gone far enough

>>22332167
Kill us all, Yukarin!

>>22333350

What does crypton define as political? Maybe it's because I'm a philosophy student. But I want to write a vocaloid song about how great living the US is. Would that be political?
Also I wanna write a concept album about how great the modern world is and I was planning to mention capitalism a couple of times. Is that ok?

>>22333401
Also we've kinda missed that boat seeing as this is "The Peace and Happiness Committee" already exists.

It's basically the 1984 of Vocaloid Songs. It exists solely for denouncing totalitarianism.

>>22333617
I would argue the meaning of the song is different and has nothing to do with totalitarianism. Like at all. It's like you just saw the PV and made stuff up. But it is like the 1984 of Vocaloid songs yes.

>>22333738
I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of that song then.

>>22333786
Now is not the time. Maybe next thread.

tl:dr - it's about the pressure of having to conform to society's expectations. The expectations of others and their ideal of a happy life. It also warns against escapism and basically just tells you that you need to find your own happiness and in the end it's your own duty to be happy and no one else's responsibility. It's like 1984 in the sense that the song manifests into two possibly contradicting meanings at the same time, similar to the concept of doublethink.

tl:dr 2.0 - it's about living in a society.

>>22333830
Maybe I'm a brainlet but I'm not really seeing the theme of "against escapism".

Seeing as they killed all the people who weren't happy.

>>22333830
Although I can see the theme of "the pressure of having to conform to society's expectations" now that you point it out.

>>22333867
Look into the theme of the undine and what it means, then think of Miku being represented as an undine in the song, the audience, her followers lining up at the water's edge. There are two extremes represented in the song. The tyrannical society that tries to make you fit their model of happiness and judges you as a committee. Telling you that being happy (as they understand it: fitting into society) is your duty. They will execute you if you go out of line or don't measure up. But the other extreme rejecting it entirely and following an undine to try and escape from reality is also not real happiness. Don't rely on Miku to make you happy being happy is your own duty that you have to deal with on your own.

tl:dr - don't let others dictate what you should do, but also don't fall prey to distractions or avoid your responsibilities (towards yourself).

>>22333933
Ah okay. I really am a branlet.

I should've knows an undine was something similar to a siren calling out to sailors.

Thanks for clarifying.

>>22333945
Basically don't become a Doctor despite not wanting to just because society or your parents told you you need to make a lot of money, then marry and have kind, buy a home etc in order to be happy. But also don't let yourself become a hikikomori otaku neet who only listens to Miku all day and lets her dictate his life because you're just ruining yourself by avoiding your duties being lured by a Siren. (that costume in Project Diva is literally called Siren, the Project Diva PV also drives home the idea of society executing outcasts who drive down the happiness level meter - which is just a conformity to society's ideal of happiness meter).

You owe it to yourself to go out and find your happiness. That may include Miku but not as dictator.

Soon

Anonymous

Just be yourself.

>>22333971
I went into engineering because I was good at math in high school and didn't really know what I wanted to do.

To be quite honest, does anyone actually enjoy working? I think fucking off after work and enjoying your hobbies is the best case scenario. Seeing as I got awful writing grades in school and haven't got a single creative bone in my body; I don't think I can do the hollywood thing when I quit my job to become a writer or painter.

>that costume in Project Diva is literally called Siren
Maybe I should buy a PS4 some day.

>>22334062
Also available on PS Vita, PS3 and Switch.

>>22326455
Fresh from kinoshita
https://youtu.be/JCZCz0XQfRk

>>22334161
Una/Rin duets are great and cute. Including this one.