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I'd like to see more strongly written AND well-developed characters (either becoming a terrible nasty version of themselves or becoming a better person from where they started out) in otome games. There seem to be more of those types of MCs in BL. Someone like Giancarlo from Luckydog. I really enjoyed the stark difference between his selfish cowardly character in the bad endings, and his determined character in the good endings.

Strongly written, for sure. We're never going to be rid of self-insert characters, sadly, and even when we have a protagonist that shows some kind of actual personality it usually gets dialed down by the time the ending rolls around.

Add me, anons.

>>22237361
>Do you prefer a self-insert or a strongly written player character?

Both at the same time. I like when their personality is based on player input and when they are as integral to the story as the heroes, just not the half-baked middle road writers take when they give the main character their own dialogue and reasoning but make them as charismatic as a wet noodle.

Aw man. Thanks to Hashihime, I've become interested in Japanese literature. Too bad Yumeno Kyuusaku's Dogra Magra hasn't been translated in English. I don't think my babby JP skills can handle reading a surreal doorstopper like that, and my French fluency is nonexistent.

>>22237892
>when their personality is based on player input and when they are as integral to the story as the heroes
This. It doesn't happen that often. I've only encountered a few otome games that had that.

>Do you prefer a self-insert or a strongly written player character?

Same as this anon >>22237892, I like balanced MCs so I can have both experiences: playing and quality story-mode.

I don't think self-insertion is bad at all as long it does serve as to give the player some freedom when making decisions or when it's required that MC meets certain parameters or criteria to continue with the story.

>>22238057
Neoromance heroines are usually like that. They allow some autonomy in terms of how the player's personality is going to affect the MC's main traits at the beginning to eventually be matched with a compatible boy/girl of the story, and at the same time, they can be well-written characters that really contribute to the storyline and doesn't leave everything to the boys, so MCs are not shitty Mary Sues in the end.

Between all Broccoli series, Uta is another that can offer a balanced MC. Although is known that Haruka is not very liked by fans because of her passive personality (and weird eyes), the game allows the player taking decisions and also improving the song-writing skills, which I find enjoyable.

Otomate has been improving that part throughout the years. But damn! Is there a worse MC than Chizuru? Hakuoki could be an emblematic series of the company, but she is the definition of self-insertion. I'm glad that I haven't seen another MC as bad as her in the rest of the titles they have released.

Hoshikuzu Heliograph has a trial out now, haven't tried it yet but I'll give it a spin for Kazuaki's smooth alien men. From what's one the site my expectations are pretty low unfortunately.
https://animal-pla.net/hoshikuzu/index.html

Reminder that Minakami is best boy and the last route is shit and didn't happen.

>>22237445
>Luckydog
Oh, I forgot it was getting an official English release. News when.

>>22238349
>matched with a compatible boy/girl of the story, and at the same time, they can be well-written characters that really contribute to the storyline
Now that's my type of jam. Thanks for the recs, anon. Will have to look for them later to add to my backlog.

>>22238635
>last route is shit
Indeed, it's too short as an answer to all the mindscrew we've been subjected in game. Also, I can't believe they dropped the chance to do a proper characterization for the last guy after all of the things they've written for the other characters, and passed up on a hot old man being topped by his nbr son scenario.

I must admit that the use of the hashihime folklore was a refreshing take on the timetravelling idea. As mentioned in the game along with the literary references, the hashihime was both named as a female protective bridge deity, and declined afterwards as a female youkai that represented jealousy, longing, resentment, and revenge which really fits the murder mystery theme. Too bad we didn't get to see a glimpse of the hashihime's figure.

Does anyone know if there are any hi-res Hashihime cgs floating around?

>>22239040
Here she is!

>>22239340
Well played, anon.

https://agf-ikebukuro.jp/s/agf/page/exhibition?ima=4236

>>22239782
>all those exhibits, game, anime, cd announcements, and suddenly there's Saiyuki
How nostalgic.

>>22238635
I honestly feel like Minakami's route is peak VN romance. Regardless of what came after it, it's still the best of it's kind.

>>22237361
Something is missing.

>>22239050
Nah but I'll upload them for you (if another anon doesn't do it first). My upload speed isn't the best but you'll get it.

>>22239050
https://mega.nz/#F!5DZiSADB!kUR6IAAKktWBOZfQnxHtEA

Riddle me this, /blog/. Why are the worst boys always in the True End routes?

>true end is actually the one where mc is supposed to die

>>22240424
Probably because their fate is tied up with the main plot. If the main guy, or story isn't well-written, and resolved in a satisfying manner then they're bound to be labelled as the worst choice. Yoshiwara Higanbana's main guy was simultaneously engrossing, and worst guy as I went through all routes, and got all endings.

>>22240424
More generic for mass appeal and having to cram all the plot details in their route.
Or something.

>>22240424
But Ukyo is the best

>>22240526
There's an exception to every rule.

>>22240424
There's nothing wrong with fucking your dog's soul in your twin's body

>>22240482
>MC dies in the fandisk true end

>>22238615
Honestly forgot this shit existed. It's kinda funny and the music is decent so far.

>>22240938

>>22240388
Thank you so much anon!

>>22240564
True. Bardo was definitely the best boy and his end was the True one.

Most of them seem to be edgelords or under-developed edgy archetypes though.

>>22241126
I don't think Lamento had a true end.

>>22241212
Maybe I was mis-remembering then. My notes indicated a True End, but it's been so long. Next cat boy game when

>>22240090
Indeed.

>>22240090
Indeed. I feel sorry for Kawase, his route is pretty good, but he just can't compete.

>>22240938
Not sure if I like Rion, though his dumb hair is pretty. The trial was too short, black hair seems like best boy but he didn't get to say much.

>>22240388
>Professor's heart pupils
local maddo scientisto too pure for this world

>>22238860
>>22238635
>>22240090
It's too bad I don't speak ching chong wa, I'd love to heat what the JP playerbase and the author himself has too say about that bullshit.
Gosh, I don't I'll get over it soon. I fucking love the first part of the story but I hate that stupid ending with a passion.

>>22237361
New Nitro Chiral plus game fucking WHEN?

>>22243675
Sometime in 2020 if things haven't changed. Even better is it's already guaranteed to be translated into English.

Doesn't really look like my kind of game with the grimderp and smoking, but I will probably get it and play it for the bad ends anyway. N+C's bad ends are in a league of their own.

>>22240424
Majima from Chou no Doku is great. He's probably the only "canon" boy I've really liked so far. Other than him I've only seen Lupin, Aiji, Hijikata, Hayato and Alice (Taisho Alice). While they aren't the worst of the bunch, I wouldn't say they're great either. They're just boring compared to the other guys. I bought the PSV port of Shinigami to Shoujo but I have yet to play it so I have no opinion on Ao yet. Piofiore's Dante is probably the closest to the "canon guy" in the game and he's pretty good too. While Juuzaengi doesn't really have a "definitive" end route, I see Sousou and Ryuubi as the poster boys and Sousou is great (all the war generals are good and are the best love interests really). Ryuubi is the main poster boy though and he's boring as shit.

>>22243551
sauce

>>22244077
>spoiler
I agree. His bad, and good endings were very much enjoyable. It was wonderful to see how those endings continued on in the fandisc. Of course, the detective ending also had a special place in my memories since the MC was very active in solving the mystery of what happened, and helped him become free from the terrible past he experienced.

>>22244079
Not that Anon but if you mean the comic it looks like Hinamatsuri.

>>22240592
The scenario writer's ability to produce wild rides impressed me. I'd like to smoke whatever they were having.

>>22242995
>black hair seems like best boy but he didn't get to say much
I got that feeling too. There's a few more short stories on there with him, if you haven't read them already.

>>22240388
You're a saint. Thank you, Anon.

>>22238615
Black hair might be the only good one, silver hair is SHIT, and the rest are meh. This game is supposed to be important for the doujin group being about new beginnings and everything, but it's still plodding and bland. This person really hasn't improved since honeybee. At least the Starblue stories are more appealing.

Where did Kazuaki go wrong?

>>22241003
This made me laugh more than it should have

>>22244737
Maybe it's an otome/BL thing but I feel like these games have the most out-there shit. Not sure if it's writers just doing what they want or if they are trying to be "different".

>>22240424
The issue with most games is that writers don't dare to take the risk and just give protagonism to certain types of characters because of their 'fame', let's say yanderes, hard tsunderes, kuuderes, among others that, apparently, only appeal to minorities. Writers usually go for the genki, which I think it's a terrible mistake because they may be safe for the general public, but they are, ironically, also boring.
Nowadays, genkis have an opposite effect on players because we have been bombarded by this type of character so much that we know exactly what to expect from them.

Think about the main boys who also are best boys, there are just a few, but they perfectly fit with a divergent personality from the one writers thought were going to be better received.

Let's take the example of >>22240526. Ukyo was a yandere. Otomate took a good risk there making him the true bf, but they still put shitty brat Shin in their promo art.

Something similar happened with KnC 3. True end is based Leiji, but Neoromance kept promoting poker face Ritsu and Tsukimori's clone, Kyoya. A shitty move, because even Chiaki would have been a better choice for promo art.

Other examples of best true end guys would be , in my opinion, don't take it literal, Rayne (NeoAnge), Hayato (NilAd), Takuma (Hiiro no Kakera), and... I don't know, maybe Len (KnC) is also best boy (KnC 1 - 2 have many cool guys with good routes).
Summarizing, all of them offer something different in terms of the default 24/7 smiling guy that bores, and they also have interesting routes that are more significant to the plot and MC overall.

>>22248156
>Takuma (Hiiro no Kakera)
Orly? That reminds me that in haven't completely finished that game. Maybe I should save that guy for last. I went for the calm guy Hirarin voiced, and stopped playing after I saw his ending with the MC. All I remember was how the story was a mess by the end of the game.

>>22248257
Takuma's route was the only consistent one since he was the one with the true connection with Tamayori princess and literally does everything for Tamaki.
The rest of the route-kuns felt a bit disconnected from main idea, but they are likable characters anyway.
It's an old good game. Takuma is based af.

>>22241212
>>22241666
I checked the guide again just to make sure and you can definitely play Lamento's routes in any order.

>>22244211
Yeah, his bad ends (particularly the one where he chose to stay with the MC in the mansion and FD bad end cont) and the normal route scene where Yuriko confronted him made me cry like a bitch. I only bought the PSV port for his new CGs and they made his route a bit longer. No regrets. He's definitely by far the most interesting guy in the game and it's always nice reading his POV. Kinda sucks that Yuriko never finds out about the truth in the continuation of his story though, but I guess that highlights how tragic their relationship is. He's a special canon boy in a sense that he can never be truly happy even in his best ending where he has Yuriko like what he wanted (usually true end boys get the best ending possible it also makes him more unique because he's both the main antagonist and canon guy at the same time and he suffered the consequences of his actions), since he has to carry his sins by himself until his death. Her being with him just lessens the pain he carries, because having Yuriko by his side makes him feel like a normal human and probably the boy he used to be.

>>22248996
>made his route a bit longer
Lucky. Which additional scene did you enjoy the most in that PSV port version?

>can never be truly happy
Yeah. I like the contrast of his treatment of Yuriko not knowing versus being aware of the truth. It certainly was fascinating to see the lengths he'd go through just to keep her safe, and ignorant of the truth in their other ending. otoh, my despair boner meter went off the roof when I got that bad ending with him and Yuriko at the mansion. Who would've thought things would go down like that? I also love how even the fandisc continuation of a blind Yuriko with him didn't tone down his ruthlessness towards his enemies.

>>22248156
Corda 3 is one of those times where they got everyone's roles right imo. Kyoya is Kanade's foil and Ritsu is their aspiration, and Kyoya's character growth is a mirror of her own. It's especially visible in feat. Amane, where if you get close enough to him the whole ending changes and Kyoya basically becomes the final boss instead. Jinnan's role in the story is crucial but Chiaki appears so late that it's hard to promote him as the face of the game. At least not without promoting the other club presidents like pic related. And Leiji shines best as the dark horse staying in the background until you reach him, it's where he wants to be. He literally has Pluto in his name.

>>22249669
>Lucky. Which additional scene did you enjoy the most in that PSV port version?
They actually didn't add much but I like him enough to shell out extra money just to read like 10-15 minutes worth of his new scenes. There's an additional scene where they go out to enjoy the festival (right after he takes her away) and this scene had 2 new CGs of him and Yuriko. They also added a new CG of him in the scene where he tells Fujita to move out of the way. All the old CGs and sprites are also redrawn and is more like Amano Chigiri's current art style. Pic related is probably my favourite new CG though. It's a replacement for the watered down ending in the PC game where they fuck like rabbits and Majima says that he'd become a god or a demon just to keep her safe. In the PSV port it's a monologue about how their relationship is a chain of sinful temptation or some shit like that. I think they even somewhat name dropped the title It's been years since I've played it but was his POV where he says he'd kill anyone who dares tell her the truth and how his plans got thwarted because he fell in love at first sight?. But yeah, those are some of my favourite scenes in the game too. Playing as Yuriko he's a character that's quite hard to read so being able to know what he's thinking is a delight.

>Who would've thought things would go down like that?
True, it's my favourite bad end in the main game followed by Shiba's bad end (where Yuriko pretends to love him) and Hideo's bad end (where he comes to "pick her up"). I loved how he tried to become cruel to her and then immediately breaks down crying because he still loves her no matter how hard he tried to hate her. Yuriko mentions this happens often so I think he may have developed a bipolar disorder in that ending or he thinks there's no going back after the things he had started. And yeah, even in his good endings he's pretty ruthless too because he says he wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone that tries to destroy their happiness. It's actually kind of hilarious that the problems can be easily solved as long as Yuriko gathers up all the courage to tell him that she wants to fuck him or become a nun instead of marrying another dude

>>22250154
>his POV where he says he'd kill anyone who dares tell her the truth and how his plans got thwarted because he fell in love at first sight?
where he says he'd kill anyone who dares tell her the truth and how his plans got thwarted because he fell in love at first sight included in the main game?*

I like making tsunderes mad

I don't like making my main piece mad though.

I finally got a phone good enough to play boys be dancing after wanting to play it for a year.
I've been liking it so far, hows it hold out in the long run? Are the events good?

https://adeltaz1.wixsite.com/hashihime/blank-14

Hopefully someone will translate these stuff. May give people who didn't like the ending some actual hope.

Reading Hashihime right now, Minakami's route. How long until the story progresses? I've entered loop/chapter 6 and at this point it's getting redundant. The characters are fine so far, especially Hakase. Poor guy just wants friends ;_;

>>22251834
I don't really know if there's a point where things just start 'progressing' but different things get achieved each loop. I know my first time playing through I had a really hard time gauging my progression through the story and if I was 'on Minakami's route' yet or not. It starts to make sense when you start the second route. I think the easiest way to put it is: you're on Minakami's route until you branch off onto the other guys.

>>22251834
I don't remember where that is, but the story significantly picks up more once you get toward the end. I don't think the novel is overall badly paced, though it does have some dead moments and annoying repetitions.

>>22251977
It's around when Tamamori and Kawase plot to kidnap Minakami again and he ends up committing suicide in the Ikeda basement. While I'm enjoying it so far, I keep expecting events to happen to allow the story to progress rather than repeat certain actions. It reminds me of Endless Eight.
>>22241775
I just realized that everything about his design reminds me of sideM's Soichiro.

>>22251591
So... something about to happy endings, A and B, and we get to choose which one is the true end?

>>22252094
It will pick up a bit around there if I remember correctly. MC has to see the despair event horizon a few times to form a solution. It's messy but has high pay-off.

>>22250148
I like your interpretation. It's accurate.

Of course, it has an artistic side that can be seen as your top analysis. Neoromance writers and artists are usually great at that. However, as far as Leiji wants to be, it's kind of sad that even though he's Kanade's true endgame, he is always shown distanced. How players could associate Leiji to Kanade at all? You can still find autistic posts in autistic platforms bitching about how Leiji could be her endgame even if manga adaptations linked Kanade more with Seiso guys.

It's not like what Neoromance did with Tsukimori in the first series who was in the middle of everyone, always outstanding the rest. It's like Neoromance either was afraid of showing that a hard moody tsundere like Leij was true end or Neoromance really moved towards Leiji's convictions as a character, kind of opposite to Tsukimori who felt the obligation to excel at everything, therefore, he has to be above anyone else.

I'm more inclined towards your POV, though. KnC was never a game for brainlets anyway.

>>22252094
Nah. He's more of an Ishikirimaru

>>22252389
No Kaoru's ending is not the true ending, it's the result of a future branch of Minakami's route in which Tamamori still becomes the shopkeeper. Minakami's route doesnt always result in him become the shopkeeper, it's only a possibility. Tamamori of Kaoru's route is different from the other Tamamori and the friends are actually real, they are only illusions in Kaoro's route.
I don't think it's really clear by the game, but here you go.

>>22251423
The rhythm part feels really easy even on hard difficulty compared to most rhythm game which I have played. Surprisingly no ranking events (yet) although it's still mindless points grinds.

>playing sweet pool, got to the end of the game where Zenya killed his father and tries to kill Tetsuo
>suddenly the game crashes
>won't open again
>can't deinstall the game to reinstall it because the program is not in any of my settings or in my laptop's start menu
Did this shit happen to anyone else? I've never been so frustrated in my life holy shit.

>>22254039
Sounds like a last minute ass save.

>>22254589
It does, there are circumstantial evidences in the novel to make it to work, but hey, that's fine for me. Best boy and route are canon and that's all that matter.

>>22254599
Hashihime is worth reading just for him.

>>22255079
It is. It was buttmad about the ending but I guess it's fine if it's just a shitty what if and it's not even same Tamamori. Still a shitty way to end a novel, but whatever.

I think I remember someone on EGS saying that they think Hashihime relies too much on secondary material for full enjoyment.

>>22255591
Or rather, supplementary material, whatever.

>>22255591
I don't agree. The main four routes are self-explanatory and provide everything you need. Most of the Q&A on the site are stuff like"Who will die first" or "Who is going to let Tamamori fuck him first." Minakami's route itself largely work as a stand-alone novel even. I'll give you that Hanazawa and the Professor's routes feel like outlines of a story rather than proper routes, but they don't leave many questions.

It's just the last route which is like "wtf did you write it?". It's even more puzzling to me now because the whole narrative is just confusing it's a what if with another tamamori, but they chose to end the whole story with it for some reason.

Hashihime's biggest fault is the story structure which it's also its stronger point. It has an incredible main route, a good side route and after that it just gets worse.

>>22255591
>a chinchong pornographic flipbook has taisho era Japanese literature as required reading
Damn, being a degenerate is hard work.

>>22255819
I meant SSs and stuff, should've made it clearer my bad.

>>22243961
Occasionally I still think back on the Froud ED in Lamento and laugh to myself.

>>22255886
SS?

>>22255911
A short story from a pre-order store bonus.

>>22255994
?? What does it say.

>>22255886
Well that's a bit better. Still only recognizing one author from the list final route Tamamori said he borrowed from to make his imaginary friends made me feel like a brainlet.

(Hashihime=) So what was the point of having all those big reveals in the final route about his friends, etc only to reveal it's largely irrelevant because 1) it has jack shit to do with anything we just read 2) It's not even the same Tamamori. Like what's the point? Like we found he based his friends on other people...but he's talking about the friends we meet 5 seconds ago?
What kind of retarded route is that?

>>22256129
The official site has short after stories you can read which are fully voiced in the vita port if you know Japanese. That game has left me in despair after that reveal from the last route. Ain't interested in going through the other stuff.

>>22256302
I get the feeling it's to drag you(the reader) into the same despair, and frustration he felt since he never moved on from the loss of his friends. In the last route he mentioned that he dislikes reading because it's the same as looking at another person's thoughts. He's been coping by remaking his friends, and those other side characters in his head, or maybe in his stories countless times just like in a video game where you keep redoing stuff just to make it to a golden ending.

>>22256429
>The official site has short after stories you can read which are fully voiced in the vita port if you know Japanese. That game has left me in despair after that reveal from the last route. Ain't interested in going through the other stuff.
I read the short stories. They are post-game stuff that largely don't answer much and mostly elaborate on the epilogues like fan-disks. Minakami asks Tamamori to live together because he doesn't want just to see him on rainy days, cute.

Did you read >>22251591?

>get the feeling it's to drag you(the reader) into the same
I don't think the twist really works, it's just so sudden and rushed the whole thing comes off as a stupid. TBut anyway Kaoru's route is 100% unrelated to the other routes according to the author himself, Minakami is 100% canon and real, and it's not even the same Tamamori you played as in the other routes. So the whole twist is pointless and entirely exist to... shock you about a 50 minutes long route entirely self-referential?

>>22256302
I'm annoyed at how it ended just as you, and other people who felt the same way. A warning about pic related since he's a writer with a very strong creative imagination? Or a reference to a certain surreal writer's narrative? I'm just speculating at this point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>22256639
I mean the ending is shit, but who it fails even as warning about escapism because the protagonist doesn't get better. Also the friends are literally real in the other routes, Kauru route is basically an entirely different timeline so who gives a shit?

>>22256643
To further elaborate, the "ending" is just thematically pointless (Doesn't add anything to the other four routes) and a terrible stopping point for the novel, it just makes the player feel bitter and confused if they don't read the site Q&A. It should have been a hidden option in the extra menu for those who really wanted to fuck the white haired kid.

So that lewd game is out

I'm surprised Minakami is so popular. I thought Sawase would have been more popular given people love psedu-tsundede/dicks. Is it the smocking?

>>22257304
>Sawase
>psedu-tsundede
>smocking
Crack cocaine.

>>22257385
How would you describe his character?

>>22257392
>How would you describe his character?
I loved him at the start until the waitress scene, then I dropped it instantly. This was a few months ago.

>>22257304
Kawase's main charm point is his cool hat but he only wears it for like 2 scenes, what a waste.

Kawase is extremely fuckable and in another game he would be best boy, the problem is that the whole story is sorta glued to Minakami and his issues, they pretty much tie to everything the Hashihime's power, the reason Tamamori got them, the reason he uses them, his desire to write. Tamamori is also in love with him in all routes which makes the whole thing sorta forced and make you feel sorry for Minakami who has love him in every life. Even the shitty last route happens because Minakami's route apparently.

>>22254127
yeah I started playing on hard and I noticed that too. They seem to pretty pretty generous with whats not considered a miss.

>>22256743
>sid vicious
>chris stewart
I hope they don't get into legal trouble

>>22254470
Just delete the folder and download it on some other site or something.
The game works with no issues even on my ancient toaster
>tfw spent two very confused hours trying to understand what the fuck is going on because I wasn't aware of the patch

>>22258225
>image

Ahh, a simpler time.

Pretty late but I'm finally gonna check out Blackish House. All the reviews are making it seem like I'll be downing bottles of Prozac by the end of it, which I hope isn't an exaggeration. Really wish it could have gotten a Vita port, though.

>>22255891
Konoe is tortured, partially eaten, raped in front of Rai, forced to cum on Rai, and then slowly eaten alive. Rai succumbs to insanity. (vore/rape/torture/odd insertion/urethral penetration/sadism/SUFFERING) Even for N+C that was pretty cruel, yeah. Always something to look forward to with their ends. They're the whole reason I started writing down the endings I achieved. So I can go back and remember that it could be so, so much worse.

>>22257586
Kawase was surprisingly likeable despite being a walking dildo. It helped that he never really went full-on abusive; he was cruel but you never got the sense that he'd give Tamamori a black eye out of rage. He's a true sadist who enjoys toying with his prey. Definitely not my kind of boy (Minakami a best, Hakase close second) but the way his route played out was better than I thought it would be. Forever sad that the menage a trois tease will never actually happen.

Tell Cybird who best A3 is and why it's Sakyo.

https://twitter.com/MankaiCompanyEN/status/1184408698661289986

Suite Room de Itazura na Kiss (Kissed by the Baddest Bidder) gets Nintendo Switch version.

Voltage Co., Ltd. has decided to distribute the popular title 'Suite Room de Itazura na Kiss' as the third installment for Nintendo Switch. The edition is scheduled to be released in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qOCbsXy2ak

>>22256743
>There are some info that iOS version will have more censorship compared to Android version
Fuck Apple.

>>22256651
The game did reference the nature of the ending. I forgot if it was during Hanazawa's or the Professor's floating bridge discussion when I took this screenshot. But yeah, it was an awful unsatisfying way to end things. Instead of the last guy, I'm disappointed there wasn't a complicated way for selfcest with the shopkeeper.

>>22256651
Whoops. Forgot the pic.

>>22261438
Based christian phones, only android sluts will get to enjoy the game

>>22261536
>>22261529
But the ending it's not what it looks like. The other routes were real. It's a literally alternate timeline. There is no reason or rhyme to that. It would make more sense as a gainden option the further nail the fact it's a branch that only exists as something unconnected to the main game and explains what would have happened if the shopkeeper hadn't hesitated in the name of his OTP.
As it stands it makes you feel like you waste time, even though it's not the case and it's just a bad last route.

>>22261529
>>22261536
>>22261579
Wait maybe I'm retardo, what are you trying to say?

>>22250154
Lovely style improved by time. I can't blame you for that indulgence.
>chain of sinful temptation
>name dropped the title
No way. That's cool to witness.
>what he's thinking is a delight
Yeah. He's vicious, and thorough in his actions. Before one gets into his route, and mentioned several times in the other routes, you really do wonder wtf is up with all that ruthless despair inducing actions. That he's wrecked by guilt at what he's done in the end to accomplish his revenge was a delicious experience.

>>22250170
It's been a while since I've played too. I think he gave a mild threatening version of it to her family in the main game, while he went all out in the fandisc during his confrontation with Hideo.

>>22256743
What the hell is this?

>>22261536
Man, I should have paid more attention to that. Maybe being somewhat familiar with all the works that were referenced would have helped too. I agree with the person who said that Hashihime is like a collection of different genres and their anachronisms from that era, complete with the "it's all a lie" ending for the "true" route.

All in all I'm grateful for the ride it took me on, even if I wasn't a huge fan of some of the conclusions. I don't think I've liked every route in any VN I've played anyway.

wtf made mystic messenger so popular with normies. I see middle school girls casually playing it, its the worst game Cheritz has ever made but it became so popular that they abandoned all there other projects and only focus on that. I know that weird Kpop game was supposed to come out but thats been dropped too by the looks of it

>>22262676
Probably the fact it's on mobile. It's the only type of computer a lot of people own these days, and the entry barrier is just taking the time to download the app.

>>22256743
Local retard here.
Guys, what free VPN do you use to play it?
I can't install it because I'm not in Japan and need to fool Google Play.

>>22262676
I think it's linked to the KPop fever.
What does a normie know about otome? kek

>>22262766
Can't you just get the apk from QooApp or APKpure?

>>22262726
Compared to buying something, downloading it, unpacking it, and clicking start yeah it is. And that's easier than the hoops needed to jump through for unofficial patches. No wonder the English community for this shit is small.

Do vampire stories ever bring up periods? It suddenly occurred to me last night that vampire stories always forget about this.

>>22263680
Silly Anon. Anime girls don't have periods.

>>22263327
I'd imagine the format helps, too. You read quick conversations every once in a while instead of buckling the fuck up to only stop reading either once you finish or feel like stopping for the time being.
Something about the way it's controlled probably ensures the reader doesn't get burned out and is more likely to continue reading due to the constant notifications. It's probably more or less inconsequential and comes off as a gimmick to someone used to VNs, but to someone who doesn't read them it must be a lot easier to get into than the traditional way.

>>22262844
I have the apk, but when installing it still sent me the message about the location.
I managed to make it work with Nox (emulator) for PC.

>>22263680
That's like porn games bringing up condoms

>>22256743
>Installed the apk
>Compatible with my Android
>Using a VPN, region: Japan
>Still not could play the lewd game
What I'm doing wrong?

>>22261712
The vita port had a scene from his point of view where he says he had to put his plans on hold because he wanted to spend more time with Yuriko. But when her birthday party arrived he instructed Saburo to proceed with what he originally planned because he says he'd rather have her life destroyed rather than see her with another man. But that was until she confessed to him and he left her at the very scene because he had to tell Saburo immediately to stop what they had planned. Not sure if this was on the Vita though. And speaking of this game, it's getting a Switch port with new content and CGs too. I think they're trying to make his route a lot longer now considering how short it is in the main game, which is understandable as he's the driving force of the story and he appears at the end in majority of the routes which leads you closer and closer to the truth. I wish they'd include the FD along with it too, but I guess it'd take more time since they have to think of new scenarios and provide new CGs to replace the R18 scenes.
https://twitter.com/bslog/status/1184673127789256705

Hashihime's main route is unironically greatest homo love story ever told.

>*blocks your tournament rank*

Dammit, I want my own babby tengu

>>22265881
>Switch port
Oh wow. Pls slow down, Aromarie. What about that other Meiji era lewd game, Gikei, that you've got in the works?

Anon, will you be purchasing the switch version too?

>spoiler
I've always found it funny how fast he struck especially when he ordered Yuriko's kidnapping during her good ending with Shiba, or that bad ending where the accident blinded her. More than half of the Nomiya family staff must've been stuffed full of spies thanks to his drugs, and deep pockets.

Is switch the new vita for otome games? I could afford only ps4 or switch so I went with the latter

>>22264897
Anon, I'm having the same issue. And when I start the app it crashes instantly.
But we're not the only ones, there are nips complaining already, so maybe we will have to wait until a new version.

>>22266437
I hate this asshole. My own team is gay as hell, but not enough to beat him consistently.

>>22267235
Probably, since people are shying away from the vita enough as it is and Sony is busy with the PS5.

>>22263680
It would actually make more sense because period blood is richer in nutrients

Can you personally tell if an otome/bl game was written by a male?I just recently found out that dmmd was directed by urbuchi, which was surprising.

>>22268789
N+C is an offshoot of his studio NitroPlus (folks who do Fate/Stay Night and it's million spinoffs). I think he gets credit for directing as it's his studio but 99% of the actual labor comes from N+C staff. Happy to be corrected though.

BL is almost exclusively created and consumed by women for women. Gay guys gravitate more towards bara stuff. So if it's got buff manly men instead of twinks and prettyboys, it's probably by a guy.

>>22267910
I've tried with different devices and Android versions and it crashes in all of them. It's frustrating af. I hope they fix it soon. I just want to hear Tatsu in ero mode, holy fucking shit!

>>22263680
>here my love, feast upon my coochie blood and strips of uterine tissue
I know some kids online are into that, but it'll take some getting used to before it becomes mainstream for any kind of erotica let alone vampire

>asks you to take the crumbs off his mouth
>can't even see his mouth

>>22268789
Technically DMMD's scenario is credited to Fuchii Kabura, who has worked on each published N+C game and side stories. I don't think anybody knows for certain if Fuchii is a man or woman but I've seen some speculation that Fuchii is a team of writers rather than one person. I'm inclined to believe the latter considering the difference in quality of their titles. >>22269096 is correct that Urobuchi works for Nitro+ but I think was contracted to write Fate/Zero by the eroge-now-mobage studio Type-Moon. When it comes to N+C he's mainly credited as a director and has fairly little (known) input.

I don't think I've really read anything that made me think about the gender of the writer. I just assumed bl/otome writers are overwhelmingly female.

>>22267080
>Gikei
That light novel where the main love interest is the crazy brother-in-law? I read the book and it manages to be even more fucked up than CnD. I do wonder if they're going to follow the novel or make some changes since in the novel the brother's already been manipulating the MC since she was like 8 (funny that her name is Yukiko which sounds so similar to Yuriko), telling her the lewd things they do is normal. And manipulates her into thinking that she'll be a whore in the future just like her mother and all she has to do is to listen what he says if she doesn't want to be one. Then iirc, at 13 or 14 she had sex with him. She falls in love with the guy she knew as a child but the brother manipulates her by saying he'll tell him the things they do if she keeps meeting up with him. It gets worse in the end where she plans to run away with the guy she likes. Little did she know, Souichirou (the brother) is already steps ahead of her and he made a kid (who's also her sibling-in-law) give the guy a candy that contains poison because Souichirou told him that the man plans to steal his sister away from him. The novel just ends with Souichirou fucking Yukiko in front of the guy's corpse. I'm starting to think Aromarie may have a thing for yandere brothers like Rejet.

>Anon, will you be purchasing the switch version too?
Depending on the added content, I might. I just wish Aromarie would port the FD as well. I guess it might happen but it'll take a while, just feels weird whenever they port a game and not include the sequels.

>spoiler
Yeah, most likely. Though Saburo is the only one we knew so far. He somehow always ruins things during the right time when things are going well between the guy and Yuriko. Except probably in Fujita's route where she found the Kikyou in his room by accident. Fujita is my first route so that reveal had me on the edge of my seat

>>22269869
>Gikei spoilers
Oh wow. I knew it was going to be lewd from summary, but the light novel content certainly exceeds my expectations. I can't help, but find the excessive craziness of it all somewhat funny. I hope there's a route where the MC can turn that situation around, and somehow escape.

>I might
If you ever do, please don't forget to leave your impression for that version. I'd love to read your thoughts on that.

>right time
Majima certainly has an eye for minions. 10/10 for Saburo's efficiency, and effectiveness in escalating a scene.

>>22269695
>I don't think I've really read anything that made me think about the gender of the writer. I just assumed bl/otome writers are overwhelmingly female.

Same here for the most part. Though sometimes when I find out that certain BL manga authors have drawn Yuri too I start to wonder how many men there are who are into both BL and Yuri.

>>22269647
literally unplayable

Manboobs

are there otome games with guys like pic related?

Sucking on manboobs as a girl

anyone have a hashihime torrent/mega? preferably a mega

>>22275086
It's like 30 bucks anon, just buy it.

>>22275227
no i can't justify that i'm poor. 30 bucks is grocery money

>best design
>worst route
Like clockwork

>>22275086
Just google "hashihime torrent". It's not up on nyaa?

>>22275266
I thought I was going to love him because dang, uniform + older + that attitude, but they really dropped the ball with him. He's not even Kawase-tier.

Meanwile the boring childhood friend made me shill the novel like crazy because he's so fucking good and the love story really comes together.

Does anyone like kaoru even.

>>22275288
Damn, Minakami is tall. Doesn't look like that from the artwork. Also ironically he's the most "girly" of the semes, with the crossdressing and all.

Though Proff will bottom from Tamamori and Kawase offers to get fucked I guess.

>>22275266
I don't even know why he even liked Tamamori
>You wrote dinosaurs story
>???
>I want to fuck you and I'm madly in love with you even years later.
LIke what.

>>22275551
>You wrote dinosaurs story
Sounds like a legit reason to me.

>>22275625
It wasn't even a good story. Tamamori's stories are shit unless you are Minakami who literally consumed them as food or it's Kaoru's route Tamamori who experience actual tragedy and grew as a writer.

>>22275551
I thought he was just kind of fucked up in the head. Like nothing he said really mattered since at the end of the day, he wanted Grorious Nippon and harness time travel for that purpose. I thought it was all a gambit to gain Tamamori's trust, and when that failed, welp may as well rape his virgin boypussy to see if that works instead. Oh wait he went crazy now we're stuck in the Denisovan period.

>>22275331
You might think that after Hakuouki all those years ago I would had learned my lesson, but nope the design I like the most ends up having the worst route. Thank god Minakami was such a good boy.

>>22275632
I mean I wouldn't expect a 12-year old to write a compelling story of any kind. But to another kid it could be the catalyst that starts an obsession by triggering their imagination. Unfortunately for everyone involved, Hanazawa didn't grow out of his.

>>22275672
The way I interpreted Hanazawa was in rabu with Tamamori, and went full glorious Nippon because of it(?), like he keeps saying "I'm the way I'm am because of you"
Or maybe he's just crazy with yandere tendencies

>>22274762
All otome games have men with horrible musculature, if that's what you're after.

>>22269096
>Nitro+ made FSN
Nasu didn't give up on his otome geimu and almost asked for money from the Yakuza for this. The butcher made Zero because he's friends with Nasu, Takeuchi and the rest of the early Type Moon staff he did it as a freelancer Nitro+ isn't related at all.

Should I go for him on my first play-through?

>>22277273
Yeah so you can do the better boys last.

>>22275672
>>22275730
Yeah, but it's pure nonsense that everyone would blame Tamamori for it and even Tamamori would accept that "he made him that way.
And then those feelings somehow translate in romantic feelings despite the fact the two were never depicted as particularly closed as kids, or close years after to the point Hanazawa was still butthurt he wasn't the one on Tamamori's mind.
The whole route is dogshit, a shame because the potential was there. But it needed to be thrice as long.

>>22270694
Yeah. The craziness is kind of over the top to the point that it can get silly. But at the same time, it manages to make you even more morbidly curious about the story. The eerie atmosphere around Souichirou remained from the beginning up 'til the end. He seemed wiser beyond his years and you never get to read anything that he might be thinking. There's a small hint where he asks Yukiko if she knows about the "truth" of this world but cuts off and says it might still be too early for her. It was also never explained why he has an unhealthy obsession with her but I suppose that was left on purpose for the upcoming game. I think the game might also heavily rely on flower motifs and symbolisms because he had someone tattoed a 緋牡丹 on her belly. I'm not sure if that's the same flower in the promotional images though . There's also this one silly moment where his friend caught them fucking in the room and Souichirou tells Yukiko to not worry because he knows their relationship. He even offered her to marry his friend because not only are their faces similar, he's also gay. He says it's like killing two birds with one stone because his parent's would no longer force him to marry someone he doesn't want to and at the same time, no one would suspect something fishy if Yukiko and Souichirou were to have a child together

Sure, hopefully the additional content is worth it though. Good enough to make me get it the third time. I guess we'll see in a few days

>>22275266
He's even hotter.

>>22278359
>>22278359
>>22275266
This reminds me the second time he rams himself into Tamamori he doesn't even get a CG. Meanwhile Minakami and Kawase get some really sex CG.

What's the point of having 5 routes if half of them are dogshit?

Ken ga Toki has all this stuff outside the gameplay, that's nice compared to other mobage I play.

>>22279866
Meanwhile it took nitrojews several years just to implement casual clothes.
>ywn spy on your swords in an onsen

Dankira would be a lot more fun if the hard mode you play through when the cpu uses their killer trick was an actual mode

Any otome game where Osaka Ryota is the best boy? I'm not an EOP so don't worry.

any recs for otome games with cross dressing boys?
someone like hikaru from brocon or kuranosuke from princess jellyfish.
it's sort of a new found love and i want more of them, but most of the cross dressers i find are more aimed at guys or BL stuff.

>>22282527
Right off the bat I thought of Otojirou from Meiji Tokyo Renka and Ringo from UtaPri.
There's also are characters in Hanasaku Manimani and Hanayaka Nari Waga Ichizoku who supposedly crossdress too but I haven't played the game/the route.
I tend to really like crossdressing boys too and I want more 女性向け things with them, so I'm also interested to find out about any other ones out there already.

>>22282527
Right off the bat I thought of Otojirou from Meiji Tokyo Renka and Ringo from UtaPri.
There are also characters in Hanasaku Manimani and Hanayaka Nari Waga Ichizoku who supposedly crossdress too but I haven't played the game/the route.
I tend to really like crossdressing boys too and I want more 女性向け things with them, but I haven't had too much luck other than those ones.

>>22282527
>>22282807
Not from an otome game but I forgot to mention that Lin from Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens also crossdresses.

>>22282527
>princess jellyfish
I'm still mad over the ending for that thanks for reminding me to get some dedicated seething time.

>>22282967
But she turned down the megane guy and ended up with Kuranosuke, didn't she?

>>22283600
No, no one ends with anyone. ALso Kuranosuke is shit anyway.

>>22283688
Shit taste desu. That's still implied in the end and Kuranosuke is the best boy

>>22283600
Unless that got more content I missed, she turned down the megane guy AND Kuranosuke didn't get any.
It was an open-ended "need no man" thing. I dragged myself through the whole chinaman disaster for my boy and got nothing for my troubles. To be fair, if he'd won out of left field in the last few chapters with no buildup or any good moments I'd have gotten even angrier.

>>22279866
I keep going back to check in on them. I like how everyone handles errands differently, even the NPC maids.

Why is this 47-year-old so cute? I'm sorry for making you clean

>>22237361
A strongly written player character, obviously. The very idea of self-insertion never made sense to me.

>>22237445
Hanakiso? It's not a dating game and there's only one couple, but both MCs are strongly defined characters with tons of development.

>>22248156
Sousou also happens to be the most popular love interest and his route is the canon one for the manga adaptation. And good lord, his route is a real wild ride over the two games.
>an authoritarian Chinese warlord and conqueror who initially gets interested in the MC only because she can kick ass of all his soldiers and generals; they go from resenting each other, to admiring each other and warring together, to him going yandere and her becoming his femme fatale, to her burning his fleet and foiling his conquest to teach him a lesson, to him finally settling down as a wise king and dedicated husband several years later

>>22237361
>>Do you prefer a self-insert or a strongly written player character?
Strongly written, I have no interest in self-inserting. I'm a shipper at heart.

>>22237361
I'm a shameless self insert fag for otomes but I can like a strongly written player character. It really depends on how the character is written and if I can understand why they do the things they do.

>>22286366
Anon, since you seem to be the only other person posting about Ken ga Toki, who's your favorite?

>>22288205
Not that anon, but I like Shakushain, Aoi and Saganbou but have yet to dwell deeper to the other characters.

>>22280794
I wish BlackStar is more F2P friendly like Dankira. Grinding event points in BlackStar feels like a torture if you don't have the bonus cards from gacha.

>>22286697
Was meant for >>22244077.

Is there a BLOG discord server or what the fuck?

>>22289878
Join some plebbit discord or something, don't bring this cancer here.

>>22288205
So far I like all of them and don't have a definitive favorite, but as a germaphobe Basho speaks to me, so he stays on my home screen. And cat and mouse are qts, would cuddle with and give headpats.

>>22289878
No, we are just always this dead.

>>22289111
Shakushain is such a nice boy, and Umehara's crazy deep voice is such a nice contrast to his cutesy, doe-eyed design. Love that. I don't know Aoi very much because I don't have her/am level locked from the rest of the story but her color palette is beautiful. Based Yomi

>>22290449
I never thought a ninjafied Basho would actually be good, but here we are.

My personal favorites are Sensei and Tokiwa, especially Tokiwa. I may have given up being a Fatefag, but I'll never stop being a Nobufag.

And Tama. Tama is wifecity.

Recs are kinda outdated and haven't been into otome in awhile.
I'm in Japan right now fellow anons, what do I buy?
Not an EOP. My moon runes aren't fantastic, but they're ok.
I've already bought the PSV Black Wolves Saga port and the new Hakuouki port on Switch for nostalgia reasons.

How do you feel about yuri routes in otome? I'm sad momotose becomes a man in Iroha-hen because her female form is superior
>>22237361
I'm okay with both self-inserting and strong written player characters. I prefer the latter though (unless they're insufferable retards like Steam Prison mc)

>>22291275
Girl routes are fine too

>>22291275
Girl routes are good, actually

Still got majorly shafted in Gekka with Daria.

>>22291275
Girl routes are great and can even be superior if they aren't saddled with the same over the top saccharine or rape bullshit that often plagues guy routes.

>>22291275
I want to read this, but the meat shit babies is really a turn off. Plus it looks like alpha omega shit, I don't mind tragic romances, but rape turned into love is pretty meh to me and gives me shitty yaoi vibes.

>>22291050
For fun buy KLAP

>>22291952
Anon you're missing out on the wildest ride of your entire life, and also something that should be considered a bl staple

>>22291275
>How do you feel about yuri routes in otome?

I don't know why it's a thing since that's not what you'd buy an otome game for. I mean, it's not a dealbreaker but usually if you're into that wouldn't you just buy a yuri game?

>>22292065
It's a matter of how things are presented with the target audience in mind. A yuri game aimed at men is going to be way different than one aimed at women.

>>22292036
>Anon you're missing out on the wildest ride of your entire life
I doubt it, I read fucktons of VN.
>and also something that should be considered a bl staple
Read better BL. We moved past yaoi rapechins years ago.

>>22292065
Yuri by women is far more superior then yuri by men

>>22292095
This, in otome games, your gf tends to always be there to support you and loves you for who (You) are, in yurifag games it's just putting the girls on a pedestal while making everything seem ""pure"" with no men whatsoever while spending 90% of the time getting into dumb situations where nothing ever happens

>>22292145
I mean sweet pool came out in what, 2008? Can't defend the shitting meat babies but it's a product of it's time for sure. Have to keep that in mind if you play older stuff.

Reminds me, has there been anything about Slow Damage lately? Seems like it's going to be an edgefest but there's hardly any material out there for it right now.

>>22292221
I definitely haven't seen any news about it lately. I only know what we all know, that it's supposed to come out in 2020.

Has anyone played anything from Alice Blue's (aka Alicesoft's defunct bl branch) game library? Oujisama games seem to have a small cult following but art looks like early 00s internet fanart.

>>22291275
>yuri routes in otome
Shit, I play otome for the cute boys and theat 's it.

>>22292095
Pretty much this.
I really like how romantic girl routes are done in otome games. And otome designs are also more to my liking as opposed to the bland ones you almost always see in yuri games

Looking for decent Hashihime fanart has been a struggle, I guess the game isn't very popular in nip land?
Also for some reason they like to portray Tamamori has this hyper blushing tsundere, when he pretty much drops most of the tsun toward the end of the route, especially during the sex.

>>22292826
Might be it has some unusual tags associated with it? It's also a few years old at this point; a lot of artists have moved on by now.

Tama is a great tsundere, shame he gets boxed into the shitty archetype despite the game going out of it's way to show he's anything but.

>>22292826
It is, it's just not very suitable for fan material, for lack of a batter way to put it.

>>22291275
>yuri routes in otome
Never what brings me to play a game, but sometimes I see the potential for a route with a girl but they mostly end up nonexistent.
I really wish Tae had a route.

>>22294415
I liked how the secret route's "bad" ending was pretty much her ending

>>22293312
>Might be it has some unusual tags associated with it? It's also a few years old at this point; a lot of artists have moved on by now.
I checked both tags for Minakami/Tamamori and Kawase/Tamamori as well main tag but couldn't find much. Pixiv has some stuff but they are sparse. Oh well, should have expected for a niche BL without even a manga I think, I wonder how it got even localized.
>Tama is a great tsundere, shame he gets boxed into the shitty archetype despite the game going out of it's way to show he's anything but.
Yeah, to be honest I never really saw him as a Tsundere until someone pointed, he has too many moments in which he comes off as honest toward his love interest (Especially Kawase, whom he genuinely chase). His sex scene with Minakami has the usual Japanese weird stuff here and there (Which isn't exclusive to BL), but overall didn't fell like it felt under the usual seme/reluctant tsundere uke, totally the opposite. In the same way Kawase didn't feel like le evil sadist seme, but his shitty personality is the result of genuine characterization issues.

>>22295507
>I wonder how it got even localized.

Back when NTY was being worked on it got shilled a lot by Good Haro, so I wonder if the translators hired by localization companies have something to do with it.

>>22295507
>I wonder how it got even localized
I noticed that Mangagamer tends to pick up niche stuff in general. And if I'm not mistaken, the tl was done by the person who had been translating Hashihime on tumblr

>>22295507
I think the hobby is so small/niche that translators can basically say "I like this, think it's good, and want to share it." and the companies will basically trust their judgement if the license is obtainable. Not a bad arrangement since it leads to interesting things getting translated instead of Bland Boy Band Simulator #2178. Kind of feel bad for Otome fans in that regard- they have more English options, but they tend to be kind of same-y or straight up gachapon bs.

>Tama
He's a classic Tsundere. Not the abusive or "I-I didn't say anything, BAKA!!" kind you see everywhere but the very rare and genuinely good archetype. Can't spit it out and a little too proud/shy to be honest with his words, but that's OK since his body makes his feelings completely understandable. Every game deserves a boy like him, whether as protagonist or route option.

>>22296086
I guess, I'm not really used to male tsundere because they are so rare compare to female ones (I don't play otomes), but the few I can think are quite good (Like the original Syaoran). I like tot think he'd go full dere in a couple of years though, given the shopkeeper's personality.
>Pic
Pretty good sex scene,I liked the amount of characterization it has in it.

So, looking at the previous discussions about Hashihime, what the fuck is the timeline for the last route?


>Tamamori travels back in time
>He doesn't have Kaoru with him because he left him in the capital and they became separated years ago anyway
>As the shopkeeper, he fulfill Minakami's wish this time and kills his friends
>That world Tamamori sees the dead kids, goes crazy and starts a fantasy world in his mind
????
>Years later the shopkeepers finds Tamamori again and offers him a place to stay all the time?
>The illusion is gone
>12 years pass?
>Tamamori himself become the shopkeeper?

Did I get it right? Or there is notime skip at all? Where did he find Kaoru this time? Also how old is him, anyway? Tamaori mentioned he raised him for 12 years and sees his as a son, I doubt he actually fucked shota Kaoru, all things considered. Has he been fucking Kaoru while living the fantasy world too? Or is it the shopkeeper Kaoru whom he adopted?



Am I supposed to ignore it because it's not the true route anyway?

>>22292095
Yuri series for females are always superior to insecure self-hating males from /u/shit. Big suprise.

>>22281008

たすけて、doesn't need to be best boy but at least a decent game he's in. VNDB doesn't have an option to search for VAs.

>>22296323
It's more like...

Things that are true:
- Tamamori has a habit of getting lost in his delusions
- Kaoru exists as a real, living person and as his adopted son
- The book store owned by Tamamori is a real place that exists

Things that are false:
- Kawase, Hanazawa, and Minakami were all killed when he was a kid. The three of them do NOT exist.
- Hakase's appearance is based on a one-time customer. Hakase as we know him does NOT exist.
- Absolutely everything before the final reveal where he admits he was living a delusion brought on by his own loneliness. So 95% of the whole story thus far.

Things that are vague:
- Officially (per Word of God), Kaoru's route was called out as not being the "true" one. Seems like Hashihime does not have a true route at all despite the text in the final chapter.
- Where Tamamori's delusions begin and end

I see it as a total YMMV ending, up to the reader's interpretation, per the usual types of books from the period it was set in. It even had the unreliable narrator throwing everything on it's head in the last chapter, making you wonder which parts were real and which were not.

TL;DR: believe what you want, everything is real when nothing is. Minakami is forever and always the best boy.

>>22296350
Does he even do VN/Otome work? Looks like he focuses on anime. He voiced a character in GranBlue if that appeals? He was also best boy in Zestiria, but the game's so shit it's not worth playing just for him. Neither of those are otome anyway. If he does stuff under a pseudonym then good luck finding it.

>>22296387
No, actually the main author pretty much explained the story's structure in the Japanese site/databook/or how you want to call it.

>https://adeltaz1.wixsite.com/hashihime/blank-14

>Q.カオルルートですが、幼馴染が死んだ世界が正史なのでしょうか？
>A.ある意味、正史です。


She straight up calls Kaoru's world an alternate history, a world create by the actions of another Tamamori's going back in time and killing his friends. She described Minakami, Kawase Hanazawa as real people, that only exist as delusions in that world line (Because they are dead, duh), but otherwise completely real in any other timeline.


Minakami is called also the "true" route for I gathered and Kaoru's route is explicitly described as "not the true route of the game, despite being the last one." Which honestly makes more sense to me because she wrote like 80% of the story in the route and keep adding stuff to the romance Reincarnation! Time traveling! I loved you all along in every route! You are the reason I'm even a writer! She also used the world "sub-scenario" to describe all the other routes.

>Minakami is forever and always the best boy.
Yes. I'm glad they get their happy ending, even if they only fuck on rainy days even when they live together.

>>22291952
It's really more cosmic/bio horror than rape is love/omegaverse bullshit. It's a genuinely sad, well-written VN with amazing atmosphere.

t. someone who hates most eroge in general

>>22281008
Ken ga Kimi was a game where every boy was best boy, does that count

>>22296350
He voiced a cute boy in Kyouya no Shirayuki. I remember the game being a bit boring though. He voiced one of the main boys in Ken ga Kimi which I haven't played but seems to generally be considered good. Also the new boy added in Angelique Retour.

>>22296568
Have you not looked him up on VNDB? He's done quite a bit of otome work.

>>22296575
>>22296387
So to further add I don't understand the whole timeline of Kaoru's route past the hanging of the friends.
Also the fact that Tamamori is basically another person compared to main route Tamamori makes it better, I can sorta assume Tamamori wouldn't fuck his retardo son, especially given he canonically loved Minakami.
The whole game's structure is so what the Christ. "It was a dream all along, no it wasn't, it's not even the true rotue lmao"

>>22296350
>VNDB doesn't have an option to search for VAs
日本語が読めれば名前を探索するだけで一発で済むんだろうけど
http://otomex.net/game/actor/%E9%80%A2%E5%9D%82%E8%89%AF%E5%A4%AA

>>22296669
Well in the final route Tama "wakes from his dream" so to speak. And, unless I'm horribly mis-remembering, he' actually 32 years old and a successful author in that reality. He got caught up in his delusions as he was writing a book called "Hashihime"; essentially, what we all just went through was part of his creative process. Or so he says.

I think of it as Tamamori changing one delusion for another. He was so broken by the end that he created a happy place for himself where he could be crazy in peace.

>>22296730
>Well in the final route Tama "wakes from his dream" so to speak. And, unless I'm horribly mis-remembering, he' actually 32 years old and a successful author in that reality. He got caught up in his delusions as he was writing a book called "Hashihime"; essentially, what we all just went through was part of his creative process. Or so he says.
That's what I thought, but it's not clear to me anymore. The author confirmed that 1) The shopkeeper is indeed real as he was the one that created that timeline in the first place, and Tamamori also refers to "him" after he wakes up, which makes me feel he actually genuinely offered him a place to stay (Like the Tamamori of the main route?) I think the narrative of the route is completely confusing so I'm going by the author's words which are at least final on what happen, but never actually clarify anything beyond "I based Kaoru on that one that one story with the kid of the white hair."

... Which reminds me, Kaoru recognizes Young Tamamori, so how old is he supposed to be? How much did that timeline spent in his illusionary world? 12 years?


The main story's structure is rather perfect and all the pieces fit pretty well, but the last route is just a ???. I re-read it out curiosity and seem like just an excuse to lt you fuck that one character. Also ironically seem like history always repeat it, Tamamori can't stop the war from happening.

>>22296770
>>22296669
>>22296387
>>22296575
>>22296323
Oh wait, nevermind I guess I found the answer:

>カオルルートの店主は、実は水上ルートの玉森でした。
>当初水上ルートに分岐を考えており、ハッピーエンドA、ハッピーエンドBがありました。

So, I guess the shopkeeper actually took care of Tamamori after he killed his friends year later.

It's a bit of a bummer that one possible result of Minakami's route is that, but given in the short story they still are still happy after one year and 3 month, I take the main story ends with ending A, the happy ending. I'm not sure what's going on with Kaoru's age, but whatever. Shitty character anyway (Still gets more fanart than Hanazawa though, for what I've seen.)

>>22296770
>>22296669
>>22296387
>>22296575
>>22296323
Oh wait, nevermind I guess I found the answer:

>カオルルートの店主は、実は水上ルートの玉森でした。
>当初水上ルートに分岐を考えており、ハッピーエンドA、ハッピーエンドBがありました。

So, I guess the shopkeeper actually took care of Tamamori after he killed his friends year later.

It's a bit of a bummer that one possible result of Minakami's route is that, but given in the short story they still are still happy after one year and 3 month, I take the main story ends with ending A, the happy ending. I'm not sure what's going on with Kaoru's age, but whatever. Shitty character anyway (Still gets more fanart than Hanazawa though, for what I've seen.) As long Minakami's is still the true route, I don't care about retard potato eroge tier scenario, I've seen worse.

>カオルルートについての質問が多かったので、副読本掲載より先にお答えします。
>あのエンドに納得がいかなかった、
>もしくは
>あのエンドの解釈が知りたい！という方のみスクロールしてください。
>重大なネタバレがありますので、
>未プレイの方はご注意ください。
Kek

>>22296730
>>22296770
>>22296669
>>22296575
>>22296387
>>22296323
Oh wait, nevermind I guess I found the answer:

>カオルルートの店主は、実は水上ルートの玉森でした。
>当初水上ルートに分岐を考えており、ハッピーエンドA、ハッピーエンドBがありました。

So, I guess the shopkeeper actually took care of Tamamori after he killed his friends year later.

It's a bit of a bummer that one possible result of Minakami's route is that, but given in the short story they still are still happy after one year and 3 month, I take the main story ends with ending A, the happy ending. I'm not sure what's going on with Kaoru's age, but whatever. Shitty character anyway (Still gets more fanart than Hanazawa though, for what I've seen.) As long Minakami's is still the true route, I don't care about retard potato eroge tier scenario, I've seen worse.

>カオルルートについての質問が多かったので、副読本掲載より先にお答えします。
>あのエンドに納得がいかなかった、
>もしくは
>あのエンドの解釈が知りたい！という方のみスクロールしてください。
>重大なネタバレがありますので、
>未プレイの方はご注意ください。
Kek

>>22297256
Kaoru's route was just about the worst scene I've ever experienced. Even if he wasn't a literal retard, the adopted son and age gap bits would have turned me away. The only worse one I can think of is Hakase's I love that man to bits but the whole way it happened was deeply unsettling and Clear's from DMMD don't fuck the robot, fix him goddamn it.
Then fuck him.

>>22297331
>Kaoru's route was just about the worst scene I've ever experienced.
I play my fairly share of eroge/vn and they all tend to have really retarded content (this includes even SFW ones or really famous ones, yeah) at one point so I'm used to it, usually it's part of the main story so it makes things worse. I thought Hashihime managed to avoid it, even if the third route was kinda retard it was overall on par with many bad routes you can find in VN.
Still, Kaoru's route made me rage with the power of thousand nuclear reactors in the way it came out of nowhere and was chosen as the end of the novel.
The biggest issue with Kaoru's route is how much it makes you feel like you wasted your time and makes the VN hard to recommend to people (Maybe? VN players read a lot of stupid shit after all). It's not even a "western misunderstood it" thing, given apparently the author got a lot of mails and questions to the point she had to put a special section on the official site to explain it. Minakami is also the most popular character there (Followed by Kawase), so I don't think a lot of people were satisfied by the way the story structure went.

I like to share the things I like with my friends, and I was happy I could finally share a BL VN that I felt had content everyone could be interested in with a nice gay romance that managed to avoid the usual pitfalls, but that route is not exactly the kind of content I want them to see in a serious story which wasn't really presenting itself as particularly fucked or horny up to that point.
Like, it's not even good fucked up content? I can enjoy a novel trying to fuck with the player like Subahibi, but Hashihime's last route just makes me rage. Thankfully the author now pretty much went lol route doesn't matter, not event he same MC, so I'm kinda whatever, I can enjoy the feel-good romance from the first main route and I can safely ignore it. It still a shitty way to end a story and I hate how I have to explain everyone the story ends with such a retarded note, but it is what it is.

Sorry for blogging, I really want to talk about this thing and I have on one. The main route may have become one of my favorite VNs.

>don't fuck the robot, fix him goddamn it.
>Then fuck him.
lol yeah. Then again DMM was always kinda of a stupid game, so I didn't care much. Decent variety of porn, though Aoba was such a dull protagonist.

Still, >fuck the robot to death.

>>22297449
The thing about N+C games is I can go in with zero expectations for quality and come away satisfied. It's a shallow experience where I can pick a best boy based on who hits most of my fetishes + has a story that isn't irredeemably stupid. So Clear's scenes, everything to do with the Main Route, the entirety of Mink's character, it was basically expected from a game of that caliber. Plot to justify the porn and all that.

With Hashihime I fell deeply in love with the first route. The "high" I had from playing it lasted for a week. I was totally invested. Then, well, you know what happened. I'd still recommend Hashihime with the caveat that the route quality is directly correlated with it's order of play.

No VN is perfect, but Minakami's route is the best goddamn romance story out there as far as I'm concerned. I can kind of forgive the rest for it's beauty, and the pleasant surprises in Kawase's route. There's also the fact that the author put a lot of effort into carefully layering the stories and hints to lead the reader into the last route. It took me a little bit but I'm at peace with the experience now. Hoping Adelta puts out another one that gets over here, at least.

>>22297537
>No VN is perfect, but Minakami's route is the best goddamn romance story out there as far as I'm concerned. I can kind of forgive the rest for it's beauty, and the pleasant surprises in Kawase's route. There's also the fact that the author put a lot of effort into carefully layering the stories and hints to lead the reader into the last route. It took me a little bit but I'm at peace with the experience now. Hoping Adelta puts out another one that gets over here, at least.
Kawase's route is how you do good BL content, as far I'm concerned. It's obviously more in line with what you can expect from this kind of genre (Not sure I'm explaining it well), but they somehow accomplished the goal to write a character who is clearly a sadist who likes to tease, but without him feeling is there for people want to get raped by the rapechins. I was actually shocked when the sex scenes was consensual with some light BDSM play (Eh even offers to get fucked). It's like, he's that way because of actual reasons and they work, and would work even outside of a BL setting.

He's a genuinely good side-route, though he's not Minakami's, but that's because the author clearly wrote every story detail mapped for him and then added the rest.

>>22281008
Tfw I accidentally found out he voiced the male MC in Annerose OVA ep 1 and 2.

>>22297634
My thoughts exactly. I was fully prepared for severe name calling, abuse, and negative put downs. But he was actually very tender, fucked up in the head but tender in his own way with Tamamori. His attitude was an extension of his character that made total sense and never went overboard.

I think the other routes after theirs suffered greatly from not having enough time to feel natural. By the time you get to Hanazawa's route, the main route is almost done so everything dealing with him, Hakase, and the final route are basically the Cliff's Notes version. It was done to keep all routes about the same length if you started from the beginning and didn't skip each time but they really could have used a lot more detail between developments. Nothing would make Karou's ending better really, but Hakase and Hanzawa certainly would have benefited a lot. Hakase got way worse than he deserved honestly. Pure kinky cinnamon roll too pure for all worlds.

>>22296575
>make the true route the very first one and forcing the player to play it

>>22297699
If you think that's confusing, the game calls the last route "The true story". Except according to the author it's totally unconnected from what you just read, a what-if featuring another protagonist basically. It's something you expect form a fandisk or a hidden option in the menu.
I really wonder how the story was pinched/built. You can clearly see the groundwork with the Hashihime,the four friends, etc and they way they all play each other, then she basically wrote Minakami and Tamamori's love story.
Kawase was left with a major plot point, but as >>22297660
said you ae left with cliff notes after that.

Hence why 90% of the discussion I've seen seem to be about the story/structure and the ending. Not to much to discuss in term of story given they basically squeeze the scenario dry and the first route already told you everything you wanted to know.

>>22294537
>spoiler
Oh, so that's where it was hiding. I'm still making my way through the game so that's a pleasant surprise.
I've been ignoring bad ends for now but I'll make sure to get that one.

>>22297783
Sounds like a last minute attempt at being deep.

>>22296568
He's literally the otome king in GBF and best 4kishi, and yeah Mikleo is too good for Zestiria.
I miss hearing his voice, I remember becoming his fan during the Yumecast (RIP) days because I was addicted to Gekkou Road.

>>22296703
That's a very handy website, thanks a lot.
I will start with Nil Admirari because this boy is very cute, later KGK because I've been meaning to read it anyway.

>>22297642
>released in 2018
>he was already relatively popular
Interesting. I remember hearing Maeno in a Hentai OVA some years ago, I don't remember the name sadly but it had a nekomimi girl.

speaking of the devil, congrats on getting engaged Oosaka.

>>22299378
I wonder if Kamiya regrets going full retard about hiding his marriage. No one is getting backlash or losing fans over marrying

Time for A3 domination

>>22299144
He is in Yume100 as well

>>22298678
Probably. I wonder how rushed were the last routes.

>>22299158
As a musicfag, historyfag, and lover of long-haired men, KgK is incredibly pleasing. I hope you like it.

https://adeltaz1.wixsite.com/uuultrac/top

mite b cool

Premise sounds a bit beyond me though. Probably isn't aiming for 2deep4u at least?

>>22300726
such beatutiful eyes

>>22301127
Agreed.

Since it is the 5th anniversary I wonder if Rejet will announce anything new.

Who's going to be the best boy and will Taishou Mebiusline ever get localized?

>>22304378
Just more drama CDs

>>22303971
I don't anyone can tell, the first route of Hashihime and the last one look like written by completely different people.

https://twitter.com/senbura_info/status/1187281572694646784
RIP.

>>22305592
>https://twitter.com/senbura_info/status/1187281572694646784
otome mobile games are oversatured

>>22305639
It's 3 years old now so at least it had a good run.

>>22305592
Not a big surprise I would say

>>22304941
Maybe for this one they'll do a more standard structure? Common -> branching routes would give them enough time to flesh out all the stories instead of just the main and first alternate.

>>22305892
Maybe, but the be honest Hashihime is sorta on add odd case, the story really fells written for Minakami first and foremost, he IS the main story. Hence why Hanazawa and the Professor's routes largely don't come off as strong (I find it hilarious he still confesses to Minakami in the other routes, I think some people even complained about it because they liked the professoor?), they are not just very believable character-wise.

Kaoru doesn't count since Tamamori is basically another person and the route is too short to even form an opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rbnMubgs0&feature=youtu.be

I still don't quite get what A3! is supposed to be about. The story is alright and all the stuff you get with the guys but the gameplay of just doing practices and shows seems kinda one dimensional and boring in the long run.

>>22305592
Waste of Usuba Kagero's art, but it's getting a console game anyway.

>>22306194
Wait, that's kill too. Welp

http://otomate.jp/home/news/news.php?num=20191024_2

>>22306075
>playing mobage for gameplay

>>22306217
I unironically enjoy the gameplay of FGO.

>>22306233
While there's some clunky aspects to it I feel the same during events like Nerofest where you need to put actual thought into battles. That's why I also enjoy Granblue and Dragalia lost.

Is A3! a rhythm game or just a cookie clicker type of thing? If it's the latter I'm not going to bother.

>>22306556
It's literally start a practice>click auto>wait>repeat

I'm totally dawn with Hashihime. I'm impressed that even the OP, and especially the ED acknowledged the game's deceptive nature although it's not noticeable until halfway or the end. I really had high hopes for Hanazawa during his dream reveal as a soldier finding inspiration to live because of Tamamori, but then that terrible sex scene happened reminding me of his power transference gambit. Why do most hot looking characters suffer from terrible characterization?

>>22307017
The illusions themes is all over the novel, but accoriding to the author (ending spoiler) the illusions aren't meant to be a sign that everything was a dream (because it wasn't), they work more like magic scenes from Umineko.
Illusions still being presented in the last route was still a pretty big clue, I guess. Also Kaoru can see ghosts.

>>22307017
I wonder i Hanazawa's route was a budgetary issue? I don't know why it was so bad, despite him being one of the "core" friends, he added absolute nothing to the game with his route. Even the professor added some lore I guess. At first I thought he was going to add some lore about the army and whatnot, but instead it ended up being about... I don't even know.

But I think the problem is that the romance between the two was no even just believable, or even a friendship. It would take a massive amount of time to bring him just to even Kawase-level. The professor was a bit more believable for me because I can accept Tamamori felt guilty for what his older self did, and the game acknowledges he doesn't love the professor romantically.

>>22307520
>Umineko
That also reminded me of this when I finished it. So that makes sens -
>Kaoru can see ghosts
wait what? Can you explain that in more detail?

>>22307575
>I wonder i Hanazawa's route was a budgetary issue?
I feel bad for laughing, but the story did mention in Hanazawa, and the Professor's route that they needed more funding for the thingamajig earthquake device so they could use it against Japan's enemies. Hanazawa filled out the some bits of information that Kawase's route delivered on Tamamori's hero-worship of him. But yeah, Hanazawa was amazingly ruthless due to his filial piety to his country. Too bad about his dad. I'm guessing that the old man he met that told him about saving his father to go back in time was alternate shopkeeper Tamamori if we compare it to the reveal of the old storyteller man in the Professor's route?


>Professor route
That one was an interesting ride. shameless gold digger Tamamori vs cinnamon roll dere Professor. That tooth-rotting sweetness hit the spot after Hanazawa's weird story.

>>22307815
>wait what? Can you explain that in more detail?
In the Q&A stuff they mention Kaoru can see ghosts. I was trying to point out the "magic" part of the novel is often real (Tamamori's connection to his grandma, etc) and exist in every route. Curiously, Tamamori also wonders if Kaoru is one of his illusions in his short story.
I have no idea how Japan can write so much casually bout parent/child incest, the whole thing is so fucked up.


>>22307815
>Too bad about his dad. I'm guessing that the old man he met that told him about saving his father to go back in time was alternate shopkeeper Tamamori if we compare it to the reveal of the old storyteller man in the Professor's route?
>
I actually completely forgot about this thing, interesting. I thought Hanazawa resentment toward Minakami was interesting, but tragically underplayed in the novel. It's mentioned in the first route he asked him to traveled back in time and I assume with "I wasn't the one in his mind" he knew Tamamori loved Minakami. They are often in antagonistic positions, so I was hoping for more scenes between the two of them. The relationship between the 3 friends was great, but I wish they had gotten together more, though given the structure of the novel it would have been hard.

To be honest, Hanazawa character felt like it would work better in a fandisk what-if scenario were they can go crazy with the porn or something.

>That one was an interesting ride. shameless gold digger Tamamori vs cinnamon roll dere Professor. That tooth-rotting sweetness hit the spot after Hanazawa's weird story.
I never really cared much for the professor sadly. I "liked" his route because it added some interesting lore on Hashihime and covered the like 2 plot points that Kawase didn't point (Which were obvious anyway). It didn't ruin the story or anything, but it's literally just average to me.

>>22307815
>wait what? Can you explain that in more detail?
In the Q&A stuff they mention Kaoru can see ghosts. I was trying to point out the "magic" part of the novel is often real (Tamamori's connection to his grandma, etc) and exist in every route. Curiously, Tamamori also wonders if Kaoru is one of his illusions in his short story.[/quote]
[quote]I have no idea how Japan can write so much casually bout parent/child incest, the whole thing is so fucked up. I mean, the novel even has a pedo character and they wrote him ad bad, so ??? Either do fucked up porn or a normal story, don't mix this stuff together.[/quote]


>>22307815
>met that told him about saving his father to go back in time was alternate shopkeeper Tamamori if we compare it to the reveal of the old storyteller man in the Professor's route?
I actually completely forgot about this thing, interesting. I thought Hanazawa resentment toward Minakami was interesting, but tragically underplayed in the novel. It's mentioned in the first route he asked him to traveler back in time and I assumed with "I wasn't the one in his mind" he knew Tamamori loved Minakami. They are often in antagonistic positions (Even in the future), so I was hoping for more scenes between the two of them.[/quote] The relationship between the 3 friends was great, but I wish they had gotten together more, though given the structure of the novel it would have been hard. Make me wish for an anime so I could see the 3 shotas play together.

To be honest, I feel like Hanazawa character felt like he would work better in a fandisk what-if scenario were they can go crazy with the porn or something. Maybe throw Kasawe into the mix or something, really.

>>22307815
>That one was an interesting ride. shameless gold digger Tamamori vs cinnamon roll dere Professor. That tooth-rotting sweetness hit the spot after Hanazawa's weird story.
I never really cared much for the professor sadly. I "liked" his route because it added some interesting lore on the Hashihime and covered the like 2 plot points that Kawase's didn't (Which were obvious anyway). It didn't ruin the story or anything, but it's literally just average to me.

>>22307815
>wait what? Can you explain that in more detail?
In the Q&A stuff they mention Kaoru can see ghosts. I was trying to point out the "magic" part of the novel is often real (Tamamori's connection to his grandma, etc) and exist in every route. Curiously, Tamamori also wonders if Kaoru is one of his illusions in his short story.
I have no idea how Japan can write so much casually bout parent/child incest, the whole thing is so fucked up. I mean, the novel even has a pedo character and they wrote him ad bad, so ??? Either do fucked up porn or a normal story, don't mix this stuff together.

>>22307815
>met that told him about saving his father to go back in time was alternate shopkeeper Tamamori if we compare it to the reveal of the old storyteller man in the Professor's route?

I actually completely forgot about this thing, interesting. I thought Hanazawa resentment toward Minakami was interesting, but tragically underplayed in the novel. It's mentioned in the first route he asked him to traveler back in time and I assumed with "I wasn't the one in his mind" he knew Tamamori loved Minakami. They are often in antagonistic positions (Even in the future), so I was hoping for more scenes between the two of them.The relationship between the 3 friends was great, but I wish they had gotten together more, though given the structure of the novel it would have been hard. Make me wish for an anime so I could see the 3 shotas play together.

To be honest, I feel like Hanazawa character felt like he would work better in a fandisk what-if scenario were they can go crazy with the porn or something. Maybe throw Kasawe into the mix or something, really.

>>22307815
>That one was an interesting ride. shameless gold digger Tamamori vs cinnamon roll dere Professor. That tooth-rotting sweetness hit the spot after Hanazawa's weird story.
I never really cared much for the professor sadly. I "liked" his route because it added some interesting lore on the Hashihime and covered the like 2 plot points that Kawase's didn't (Which were obvious anyway). It didn't ruin the story or anything, but it's literally just average to me.

>>22307575
I haven't read the Q&A in full but I also finished the game last week and have some lingering questions, like why did Minakami's eyes turn blue at the end of his route? Did the Q&A answer imply that the Hashihime is now possessing him? and what was the true nature of Hanazawa's relationship with Kawase? Was it just about their dads and the "eye for an eye" sort of relationship between them? And why did Kawase hate the Professor?

I overall agree with the sentiment that Minakami had the best route and 3-4 didn't add much overall, while Kaoru's route, despite his nonexistent character development, played into the ideas of reality vs delusions/illusions in an interesting way. I'm interested in playing the Vita port to see if anything was added besides the extra stories.

>>22307815

Professor's route was interesting but it felt rushed. Was it ever explained why his maids had the same eye color?

>>22307969
>see ghosts
Gosh. Now that's an interesting tidbit that should've been explored in the game. Young formerly rich now penniless(?) orphan kid + PTSD + recent war + boatloads of dead people's souls hanging around + eccentric delusional writer foster father

>parent/child incest
A strange reversal since in Kawase's story, he wrote old man Ikeda as a perverted person who preys on younger males, but in another reality he's the one who did that to a young Kaoru. So I guess it's an odd way of foreshadowing how fucked up the alternate Tamamori's has become that his love turned twisted?

>Hanazawa's resentment
>fandisk what-if scenario were they can go crazy with the porn
It would've been a show to watch them duke it out in some kinda elimination match before proceeding to hatesex each other. Speaking of sex, I thought it was weird that Minakami, and Tamamori did it in the hashihime's shrine after his grandmother's funeral. I thought something bad would happen to them in the middle of it because of the stunt they're pulling at her shrine.

>Professor
I like it for its refuge in audacity due to the numerous multitrack drifting it did in the last part before settling down in fixing the balance of their relationship. Also, how it totally showed that yeah, if given the chance, Tamamori would definitely shamelessly take up on the Professor's offer to help him in anyway like he mentioned in the first route.

You know who I miss? That Orochimaru fella. He only showed up for a while, and I liked him.

All in all, despite the serious shit I've seen once the final curtain dropped, I loved the translation for this.

>>22308350
>I haven't read the Q&A in full but I also finished the game last week and have some lingering questions, like why did Minakami's eyes turn blue at the end of his route? Did the Q&A answer imply that the Hashihime is now possessing him?
They did, but you can also get it from the game I don't remember the actual answer they give, but iirc disaster strikes as what you fear the most. Tamamori was lying to himself when he said he was doing everything for himself, he's horribly afraid to lose Minakami (Remember he straight up sayings during the sex scene he wants him to be so engrossed with him he' d regret dying, then later plead him to never leave him again), by acting for Minakami he got what feared the most, not having the power to save his suicidal bf over and over.



>what was the true nature of Hanazawa's relationship with Kawase? Was it just about their dads and the "eye for an eye" sort of relationship between them? And why did Kawase hate the Professor?
[quote]That's not in the QA, but I assume so. I think Kawase may felt admiration for Hanazawa (Hence the smoking) but he was also horribly guilty because of his father. The friendship they once all shared basically had become horribly twisted, the Bath House kids in comparison exist to contrast them with their pure friendship.[/quote]


>Professor's route was interesting but it felt rushed. Was it ever explained why his maids had the same eye color?
Not sure what you mean? The maids are sisters. One of them also gave their eyes to the professor. I think there were some questions about the maids and their eyes, but JP isn't super good I mostly ignore questions that didn't interest me.

>>22308350
>I haven't read the Q&A in full but I also finished the game last week and have some lingering questions,like why did Minakami's eyes turn blue at the end of his route? Did the Q&A answer imply that the Hashihime is now possessing him?
They did, but you can also get it from the game I don't remember the actual answer they give, but iirc disaster strikes as what you fear the most. Tamamori was lying to himself when he said he was doing everything for himself, he's horribly afraid to lose Minakami (Remember he straight up sayings during the sex scene he wants him to be so engrossed with him he' d regret dying, then later plead him to never leave him again), by acting for Minakami he got what feared the most, not having the power to save his suicidal bf over and over.
https://adeltaz1.wixsite.com/hashihime/blank-27
If you are curious. Google translate does a decent job getting the meaning at least.

>what was the true nature of Hanazawa's relationship with Kawase? Was it just about their dads and the "eye for an eye" sort of relationship between them? And why did Kawase hate the Professor?
That's not in the QA, but I assume so. I think Kawase may felt admiration for Hanazawa (Hence the smoking) but he was also horribly guilty because of his father. The friendship they once all shared basically had become horribly twisted, the Bath House kids in comparison exist to contrast them with their pure friendship. I don't remember why Kawase hated the Professor.


>Professor's route was interesting but it felt rushed. Was it ever explained why his maids had the same eye color?
Not sure what you mean? The maids are sisters. One of them also gave their eyes to the professor. I think there were some questions about the maids and their eyes, but JP isn't super good I mostly ignore questions that didn't interest me.

>>22308352
>A strange reversal since in Kawase's story, he wrote old man Ikeda as a perverted person who preys on younger males, but in another reality he's the one who did that to a young Kaoru. So I guess it's an odd way of foreshadowing how fucked up the alternate Tamamori's has become that his love turned twisted?
I mean it's not really foreshadowing since both realities are real and unconnected. And I'm not sure what would foreshadow anyway? He understand one action is bad so... he does the same thing? The whole thing is just... incredibly tonally jarring? I really don't know what to make of the last route. Is it supposed to be fucked up? Am I suppose to want to self-insert and be happy to them? It's certainly meant to be porn, but the morality of the last route pretty much contrasts everything the author wrote but then she presents it as good. Like what the fuck? Kawase is portrayed as a hero because he saved a small child from the rape dungeon, the writer gives you a character who dos the same thing and it's OK? Make up your mind and pick a side.

To be honest, I don't even consider them the same character. The Tamamori of the first four routes could do really bad shit like what he did to Naoshi, but I never felt like he was truly an awful person (Pretty much everyone who wasn't Minakami was really messed up anyway). Even when he got lost in delusions and dreams, he still had one foot in reality. Toward the end of Minakami and Kawase's routes he could be called a decent person. As the shopkeeper he mentioned he tried to break Kaoru and probably wasn't a good father, but he never crossed that line or any interested doing any of that shit with him. More so, main-timeline Tamamori is defined by his love for Minakami that made him write his shitty stories and turn back time to change history. Kaoru Route Tamamori is a complete psycho without a grip on reality that fucks his child. And he's also a really good writer because he saw dead children.

>Speaking of sex, I thought it was weird that Minakami, and Tamamori did it in the hashihime's shrine after his grandmother's funeral. I thought something bad would happen to them in the middle of it because of the stunt they're pulling at her shrine.
Hashihime is a bridge's spirit and the temple was abandoned so I don't think it mattered to her. The whole ending was "rushed" in a sense that it went through a bunch of scenes one after another, (His grandma just died and they fuck in the place Minakami was forced to kill his mother?) but it worked because these boys really wanted to be together so once they started they couldn't stop, or rather Tamamori really wanted him (Which was super-refreshing) I wish the epilogue from the Vita Version/Official site was into the story since it shows how they are doing months later. It's really fucking cute.

Honestly, the more I write the more I feel like the main route was a stroke of luck.

>>22308550
>Pretty much everyone who wasn't Minakami was really messed up anyway)
Messed up in a sense they did bad shit to other people I mean. Though I guess Minakami was forced to kill Tamamori's mother, but that was because of the curse.

To the anon who told me that Hayato is NilAd's best boy:

Holy shit, dude! I played his route and it's amazing!!! I also loved Akira and I don't care about his rapist tendencies (is it the Toma syndrome?). Damn, anon, you were so fucking right! And I love that tsundere bocchama too!! Ahhhhhh anon, please, recommend me more games and routes!

>>22308849
I mean, to the anon from previous thread.

>>22308550
Are the epilogues translated anywhere? Been looking even for the raw text to see what I can do with it.

>>22309707
Nope.
https://adeltaz1.wixsite.com/hashihime/blank-15

I wish MG would translated the ending Q&A since it's a gamer-changer for many. I mean, even Japan had no idea wtf they were thinking so they put a warning on the site.

>>22282527
Haruka from Chouchou Jiken

>>22310553
If they need to translate that then the game isn't very good.

Whatever happened to the Taishou Alice translation whatever from a few years ago?

>>22311546
It has structural and ending issue for sure, yeah.

>>22311546
True route is extremely good, and it's like 25 hours. A shame about the rest.

>>22305639
and when hypmic mobile games drops too many otome mobile games are going to die

>>22312343
that shit is so popular with women in japan

>>22312343
Only the idolshit will suffer

I used to think finding downloads for old pre-2010 eroge was difficult, but man, otome games are whole other level. Everything is pretty much hoarded on otomedream.

>>22311550
Katakana or hiragana alice?

Oh, re-reading Hashime last route I realized

There is an actual 12 years time skip. I thought the scene with the shopkeeper was meant to be metaphorical originally and Tamamori was 32 years old in reality, but since it's not, and TT is real just like the shopkeeper I guess it actually happened and that was the first time Tamamori meet Kaoru... which means he would be way older than 18? I guess it's obvious by the dialogs because he's surprised by his face and everything, but I never figured i was meant to take them literally.

Then 12 years pass.

The whole narrative is so bad.

>>22311550
The fan one? Dead in the water.

>>22314551
RIP yet another fan project.

>>22306233
Nasu should really make that fate otome that he wanted to make. Tm makes millions each year, they can spend 10000 on a side project.

>>22312343
The audience for hypmic and otome is diffrent

Iori, I...

>>22315822
KoF doing Otome now since they can't actually make a fun fighting game?

>>22315822
I would kill to marry Rock.

i don't have any relevant images to bump the thread with but we have two dead touhou threads between us and oblivion please don't die we've been doing so well

>>22318150
Oh, I'm retarded. We hit bump limit again, nice.

>>22314474
I like to think that the last route is just another detour taken from the main one. I appreciate what they were going for with it but it's just... not a great note to end the game on.

I think it would have been better if Minakami's route was the last one to unlock, so you go through more and more shit until finally, the best route is the true one.