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A thread for the discussion of Dies irae, Kajiri Kamui Kagura, Pantheon and other associated titles belonging to the Shinza Banshou setting, written by Takashi Masada.

>Masada's official Twitter
https://twitter.com/masada_takashi

Dies irae Song to the Witch fully translated: https://www.stuffiliketodo.net/work/dies_irae_song_to_the_witch_2781

>Avesta of Black and White
Prologue: https://pastebin.com/28tSNA8j

>Dies irae
Getting Started: https://pastebin.com/03KfVLZZ
Official Website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_portal/
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v548
Interview with Kaziklu Bey: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_kaziklubey/
Steam Page: https://store.steampowered.com/app/644540/Dies_irae_Amantes_amentes/ (>buying from steam)
Mangagamer: https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1041 (>buying from mangagamer)
Other Resources: https://pastebin.com/27WTzqYV
Random TL's and misconceptions: https://pastebin.com/9XgEAwTU

>Dies irae Pantheon
Official Website: http://dies-p.net/index.html
Website Translation: https://pastebin.com/g7rbqkTM

>Kajiri Kamui Kagura
Official website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/kajirikamuikagura/index.html
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v5844

>Other light titles
Senshinkan: https://vndb.org/v12455
Bansenjin Torrent: https://sukebei.pantsu.cat/view/1705703
Paradise Lost: https://vndb.org/v1951
PL Torrent: https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2577220

>> No.22231522

The last thread got into bump limit already and there is a new chapter today, so the new one.

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The last thread sure died fast. It usually takes way longer to reach page 10 and get archived.

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Indirect confirmation that Magsarion is indeed Muzan in this chapter.

>> No.22231800

>>22231723
What confirmation was that?

>> No.22231821

>>22231723
Something something 「無慙無愧」

>> No.22232592

Lads...

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Japan is under Muzan's law.

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Here's your baby weekly food
Summary by C.E

Part 1
2 days after the previous events, Quinn regains consciousness, having been rescued by nearby villagers. Same goes for Samrukh. Samrukh had vehemently demanded that her wounds not be treated. Quinn reports back to her superiors and they are now waiting for them to come extract them.

Meanwhile, Magsarion has disappeared. As such only Samrukh is returning. Quinn will stay on to continue her mission of apprehending Magsarion.

Samrukh expresses envy at Magsarion's combat prowess and is bewildered at just how he managed to pull off that Alastor move on the Daeva. Quinn also has no idea but hypothesizes that it might be due to exploiting a bug/loophole in the way Vohu Manah's feathers work.

Sām (ATK buff) and Kshatra (DEF buff) strengthens material substances. Conceptually speaking, they enlarge and make more massive stuff/effects. It would be like having immense nutritional value in just a single bean enabling one to be fully satiated from just eating it alone. On the other hand, Fravard (Flight) and Shewatir (Teleportation) conceptually shrink, lighten, thin out etc phenomena. This is because in order to not be constrained by physical laws such as weight and distance, they have to render phenomena vague and indistinct. These two groups of buffs are thus conceptually incompatible. When you use Sām and Fravard together, either one of them will have their respective effect enhanced. However one has to account for the overall balance. Basically, it's much more practical to have a cavalry troop than a cannon that's difficult to hit its target with or a light aircraft that's solely capable of only speed.

However, Magsarion used Sām four times in a row followed by Shewatir. If this were all there was to it, the latter would have no utility in this case. However Shewatir is for teleportation. It is a shortcut between distant points that ignores distance. In other words, it is a hole in space. This most likely caused a runaway that allowed the "massive, heavy" entity of his attack to cut down the opponent. Even if the teleportation was cancelled out, it still resulted in massive speed which was more than sufficient here. In this way, Magsarion brought about the coemergence of both attack strength and speed effects whose source buffs normally cancelled each other out. And he apparently did this all from his battle experience.

Fuck EOP.

>> No.22233131

>>22232931
Thank you, but who is C.E.?

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>>22232931
Thanks anon, or C.E whoever that is.
Also
>remove braids
>dye hair blond
And you get Marie. Not that I'm complaining.

>> No.22233697

Plsi Pastebin the chapteri.

>> No.22233865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt-QfoTBcRU
Fuck I'm dumb, this is Rozenvamp remixed. Shit's too hype, I would've screamed reading the VN and hearing it for the first time.

>> No.22233884

>>22233865
Yet you'll never read it at all.

>> No.22233900

>>22233884
I mean, not soon yeah, but I'm gonna work towards that goal for sure.

>> No.22233929

>>22233900
Suuuure.

>> No.22234012

>>22233929
I'm gonna study Japanese as part of my college course, so I'm gonna have to take it seriously for at least three years. I'm pretty good at learning languages.

>> No.22234441

>>22234012
you really don't have to take any language seriously in college to pass.

>> No.22234616

>>22234441
You do if it's the focus of your degree!

>> No.22235018

>>22233697
Requesting this too.

>> No.22235666 [DELETED] 

Imagine coming to a thread of a series you like and getting mad at someone, acting like a condescending piece of human when they say they're going to learn to read the series. Acting like that when the threads are deader than dead is even more mind blowing.
Literal psychopath.

>> No.22235715

Imagine coming to a thread of a series you like and getting mad at someone, acting like a condescending piece of human garbage when they say they're going to learn to read the series. Acting like that when the threads are deader than dead is even more mind blowing.
Literal psychopath.

>> No.22235717

>>22235715
>wasting your satan trips because you wanted to correct a typo

>> No.22235970

Was the english release for acta est fabula officially uncensored? Was going through a cg set and holy shit dicks look horrible.

>> No.22236027

>>22235715
It's 4chan. All jokes and jests. Don't take it too serious. In reality I don't give a damn about what anyone here does, cause it doesn't affect me. And you need to realize that no matter what anyone tells you here, it doesn't affect you.

My point was that you can see people going "I'll learn Japanese" and failing all over 4chan. Statistics are against this guy.

If I really wanted to be a dick online I'd say one more thing to him and one to you. To him that a degree in Japanese is a waste of time and money only weeaboos go for. To you that you sound salty because you tried and failed to learn Japanese.

>> No.22236246

>>22236027
It's not funny, it's just dumb shitposting that contributes nothing and honestly comes across as people who don't actually know Japanese either projecting hard.

>> No.22236358

>>22236246
As per my standard, you're free to think whatever you want.

>> No.22236515

>>22236027
Don't worry anon, I'm sure one day you too will be able to learn Japanese and read KKK!

>> No.22236853

Wow you fuckers from wiki are still lurking here and stealing posts? Pathetic.

>> No.22237470

I think its for the best if I would just give up on reading this for now.
My shit credit card blocks me from buying it and I really don't want to pay more to greedy banks just to get a "better" one.
Guess I'll just wait for print version.

>> No.22237598

>>22237470
Same. I guess 2-3 anons who could pay for it can discuss it among themselves. And the fandom will stay pretty much dead.

>> No.22237710

>>22237470
>>22237598
just ask someone to buy it for you retardos

>> No.22238178

>>22237710
Where do you think you? It's not like average anon have any friends IRL.

>> No.22238192

>>22238178
If you don't know a single other person that can buy something in your place you really have better things to do than trying to read chuuni shit imo

>> No.22238204

>>22238192
I think you should fuck off to wiki or wherever you came from here.

>> No.22238296

>>22238204
And I think you should get friends my dude, at least one. And stop complaining about not being able to buy something when there is clearly solutions, you whiny bitch.

>> No.22238320

>>22236853
Consequences of being anon.

>> No.22238340

>>22238296
Fuck off normalfaggot, for real. I'm not even the same anon you are talking about.

>> No.22238364

>>22238340
>normalfaggot
>having people you can ask thing of, even if it's familiy, is being a normalfaggot
Are you the psychopath anon?

>> No.22238377

>>22238364
No, but you are normalfag from fucking vs wiki. I saw your posts there today. You are cancer and the reason I won't post new chapters here, because you steal them.

>> No.22238407

>>22238296
>you should get friends my dude
Reddit is that way my dude >>>>>>>>>

>> No.22238585

>>22238377
What posts, you absolutely mentally ill faggot? I'm telling the fucking retard that always complain to stop fucking complaining and somehow that makes me a vswikitard who steals whatever it isyou post ? You ARE a psychopath, fucking kill yourself.

>> No.22238798

>You are cancer and the reason I won't post new chapters here, because you steal them
Nigger you've never posted anything worth stealing

>> No.22238833

>>22238798
I think he is genuinely mentally deranged.

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>>22232931
Summary anon here
(cont)

Quinn and Samrukh continue talking about their Vows (Commandments) so they can better aid each other. For Samrukh, the max amount of energy she can put into one attack is the same as the total of her wounds. As she has lost her limbs for 7 or 8 times already, 8 is the number of times she can go all out per day. In a battle where she's unharmed, she cannot use her power while minor wounds enable her to pull off only minor effects. She doesn't know what happens if she exceeds her limit. However, while she's hard to kill because of this, she isn't immortal. Outright fatal wounds or lethal wounds that cannot be healed such as destruction of the head or heart would kill her.

For Quinn, her Avestan ability allows her to serve as the communications node for the Wahman Yasht. By sending her "voice" out into the universe she can communicate with the rest of the Yazata. She can also hear all of them. Their prayers, hopes etc. Vohu Manah has a similar ability but Quinn does most of the communications work.


However an important point crops up that Samrukh noticed which Quinn hoped she hadn't. Quinn broke her Vow when they encountered Magsarion. Why had she suffered no divine retribution as a result? Quinn was reluctant to answer but Samrukh ordered her to. Fortunately, a kid called Laley interrupted and inadvertently ordered her to speak with her instead.

Fuck wikifags and fuck poorfags.

>> No.22239092

>>22238926
Based.
>Quinn broke her Vow when they encountered Magsarion.
She did? I'm not sure I understand howand when. Or is it something we haven't been shown yet?

>> No.22239228

>>22239092
In short, her Commandments is "to be used as a tool" but since she can receive several orders, some have a higher priority than the rest and the hightest one is the mission from her dad.
What I want to say is she can break unimportant orders and won't die directly in doing so.

>> No.22239249

>>22239228
There is nothing more important than being my wife.

>> No.22239288

>>22239092
>>22239249
>I'm not sure I understand howand when. Or is it something we haven't been shown yet?
Sorry it was during the last fight against the slime daeva.
Magsarion ordered her 1st to not do anything unnecessary because it is his prey and 2nd to shoot that daeva in the air even if it kills her, I guess the 2nd made her break the 1st.

>> No.22239565

>>22239228
>>22239288
I see, thank you anon.

>> No.22241027

>>22238377
Imagine being so pathetic of crying because they steal you but at the same time remain an anon posting without putting yourself in the credits and complaining about the vswikis

>> No.22241683

light

>> No.22241781

の日

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>>22238926
(Cont)

Some stuff with the village men flirting with Quinn occurs etc etc.

Real trouble starts when after 4 days no Yazata had arrived or responded to Quinn's message. They try to leave the village to find they are stuck in a spatial distortion. No matter how far they travel, they always return to the same place. The distortion eventually tightens down to confining them in the village chief's house. Not a single villager in sight, place quite as a grave.

They try to bust down the walls and even the windows to escape but they cannot leave the building. Quinn is getting really anxious now since the possibility is high that the attacker is rampaging amnogst the villagers while trapping her and Sam in the house.

The warp tightens even further, confing them to a single room within the building.

They hear a knock on the door. It's Layley. Samrukh warns her not to enter or move. Layley had brought breakfast and it seemed like she wasn't caught in the spatial distortion. They question her about the other villagers and everything seems well with them. Quinn says they may be ale to escape if Layley is with them, despite there being a risk she may become trapped also instead.

Quinn offahndedly remarks that she and Samrukh needed to leave soon to which Layley reacts badly since she had grown attached to them after they essentially saved the town from the rampaging Daeva earlier. Layley commands her to stay and protect their village.

Quinn was able to disregard it since her Vow favors the commands of her superiors so refusing the commands of those below them would not trigger any divine retribution. This was why she could ignore Magsarion earlier. Quinn says it isn't because she sees the village as of little importance but that the enemy they are facing now is too evil to be ignored.

For Quinn right now, the highest priority imperative is to fulfil Khvarenah's order to gather miracles. Following that is her duty to Suirios (the head of the Wahman Yasht) to apprehend Magsarion. While Layley's desire is earnest, it just could not compare with the will of a demon lord and the head of the Wahman.

Layley despairs saying why despite praying to God every day they are still being abandoned. This is the first time Quinn has heard of the concept of "God."

At this moment, the tip of a blade bursts from Layley's chest. She has no idea what is happening before she dies.

The door opens and there is Magsarion. The girls are enraged but Magsarion simply turns to leave, leaving them with Layley's corpse.

They try to destroy the room in an attempt to break out. As Quinn comes into contact with Layley's blood, she is filled with Layley's last remaining thoughts and at the same time, the barrier broke, freeing them.

Before leaving Quinn closes Layley's eyes and apologizes saying her death was Quinn's fault. In those last moments she had noticed something about the ever regenerating Daeva that had mysteriously appeared from nowhere. Magsarion had said he was going to cut out the root. if Quinn had realized then, this could have been averted.

"There's no God Layley. There's only Avesta (真我). This instinct that we have been granted to end this war," Quinn says as she leaves. That's why they needed a miracle. Layley hadn't been wrong. if there was no God then they had to create one

According to Masada, the majority of the strong yazata are similar to Magsarion in personality and he's perfectly one who belongs from the side of good.

>> No.22242395

>>22241951
>According to Masada, the majority of the strong yazata are similar to Magsarion in personality
I hadn't actually seen that tweet. After reading the second part of the first chapter, I was just thinking Kouha had some fucked up sense of aesthetic to describe evil as beautiful where forge daddy is a supergiantlike entity with an unsettling mouth and the daeva from the first part was a flesh monster with tentacles and good as ugly. But so far all we've seen was that the Ashavan seemingly lined up with the traditional meaning of good, with the exception of Magsarion and Layli's dad
I guess we'll see some more of the ugly with the Wahman, at least the upper brass.
On that note, Sirios not sure how to romanize his name is the Holy King mentioned earlier in the lore dumps

>> No.22243196

>>22241027
Learn English motherfucker.

>> No.22243945

>>22242395
Didn't pantheon prologue state that the definition and values of good and evil would always shift en be reversed under her reign? And that her name as "the truth" was related to that?

>> No.22244036

>>22243945
>Didn't pantheon prologue state that the definition and values of good and evil would always shift en be reversed under her reign? Not in the scenario, but on the website description. The phenomenon in which one turns from good to evil and vice versa gets some mention in the second half. The phenomenon is called 転墜 (fall) and it seemingly works in a more localised scale with individuals shifting rather than the definitions and values of good and evil shifting. But it's extremely rare, so rare that it's thought to be fairy tale and that there are only vague theories as to why such a thing could occur. and the slightest possiblity of it occuring was enough for Magsarion to kill a 6 year old girl and massacre an entire village Maybe Masada changed his mind like how he did with the first shinza's description in KKK. Or maybe he's saving stuff for the future chapters.

>> No.22244078

>>22243945
That was from the description of her era from Pantheon site. It shifts when one side is about to be completely defeated iirc.

This just means that no one we currently know about has demonstrated the knowledge of such a thing(or just hasn't revealed it). Forge Dad stopped short of completely wiping out the good guys before the current plot started to satisfy his autism so it was close to happening.

Stuff about Shinga's name towards the end of the prologue didn't really touch about reversing. It was all being ambiguous about her being... ambiguous. That part was mostly about how Shinga and Marie were the exceptions to the Hadou God line-up in that they weren't driven to their positions by anger. I imagine it means they didn't emanate out of a motivation to fight against some other concept or force that they strongly oppose or hate.

>>22241951
If Forge Dad's original order is considered a valid order by her Commandments despite being on the opposing side and is currently of the highest priority I wonder if this is going to backfire later if Forge Dad ever changes his stance. Unless the Avesta itself is considered a commnand higher than his, it's hard to beat a command from one of the Demon Lords who is also her creator/father.

>> No.22244087

>>22244036
I see, >>22244078 here.
Thanks for the explanation. Now it sounds very likely that Magsarion witnessed one personally.

>> No.22244117

>>22244036
>>22244078
Thank you anons, the whole thing is certainly more interesting than I thought it would.

>> No.22244558

>>22241951
>The girls are enraged but Magsarion simply turns to leave, leaving them with Layley's corpse
What a Chad.

>> No.22245313

https://twitter.com/Flavius_dramus/status/1183390532359208963

>> No.22245319

>>22245313
marie...

>> No.22245330

>>22245313
it just dawned on me that snek was just self inserting as ren

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>>22245313

>> No.22245472

why did the series have to die in the west bros

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>>22245313
fucking delete this

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cleanse your eyes with happy Marie!

>> No.22245698

>>22245472
Some things are just not meant to be. It's unfair, but that's life.

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>>22245313
This is fine.

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>Just found out that not only Masada is alive and kicking it, but also making 14k dollars a month doing a web novel of the first throne with G-Yuusuke at his side
How the fuck did he do it? Like, the company he was hired went down and he gets to grab one of the best artists in the industry all like "bruh, I know this shit sounds wild and has no prospects of survival or success, but I really, REALLY want to write chuunishit, so I want you to come with me and hey, if it works out, might make a whole visual novel out of it too!".

That sounds so surreal to me.

>> No.22246714

>>22246597
Those two are really good friends and have gone back like 15 years. They came up together and share the same vision.
i don't know what the pay is like for a scenario writer and an artist in the vn world, but i'd like to think that they're getting paid a fair amount without light taking their cut
Hopefully a developer/publisher sees the traction Avesta is getting and decides to step in.

>> No.22246772

>>22246597
You can tell he's actually passionate about what he does, even though he did seem okay with selling out for big mobage bucks (most likely from light's pressure, but still).

>> No.22246787

>>22246772
I mean, to be fair even if it's still a mobage the prologue had more story and character development than the whole fgo. Probabaly wouldn't have been as whore-ish as the other mobage around.

>> No.22246810

>>22246787
Don't forget we would have gotten a fully VA storyline and the music was actually really, really good.

Honestly, Pantheon was actually the only mobage I was actually excited for because it seemed like it had actual effort and looked like a VN with gatcha elements instead of the opposite

>> No.22246841

>>22246787
I'm happy it died, now they can do something that's not a mobage. Sure, maybe it would've been less whoreish... still a fucking mobile game. Trash.

>> No.22246867

>>22246841
Imagine the amount of porn of Marie getting blacked we lost

>> No.22246901

>>22246787
The problem with mobages is that if they're sucessful, the story won't end or reach its end. It would keep pilling up again and again, as long as light wanted the mobabux flowing in. So no more Masada vns just like Nasu. I don't know if Masada realised but he kind of spoiled the direction of pantheon when he went on his earlier dumps with the 8th throne being the final chapter and the 9th throne being the supposed end.
which hirume dies at some point and gets stuck with the other losers

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>>22245313
Based

>> No.22247249

>>22245472
Because you EOPs don't deserve it. It's not meant for your eyes.

>> No.22247282

>>22247249
Hello, psychopath-kun.

>> No.22247343

>>22247282
Truth is the truth, I can't do anything about it.

>> No.22247540

>>22247343
You can though, mental illness are curable. I'm sure even could learn to read japanese one day.

>> No.22248226

>>22245313
this is why sakurai is better, she would never cuck you

>> No.22248495

>>22248226
>she
Look, it's a dude. Kurashiki's deleted tweet makes it obvious. Also this: https://togetter.com/li/1061274

>> No.22249016

>>22248495
>fgo
what are you talking about? I was talking about sakurai kei

>> No.22249546

>>22249016
Lol for some inexplicable reason I thought you meant the writer Sakurai Hikaru.

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>>22248226
KEI!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>22248495
>Kurashiki's deleted tweet
Good times.

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Credits to trexalfa.


New info from Twitter:

-The sigil for the use of Vohu Manah's Divine Protection is, in Samluch case, on her boobs. We already know Quinn's is in her thigh. Magsarion's is in both of his eyes.

-The conditions for Sewatir: confirming spot you want to teleport to by eyesight, or either it being a place you've already gone to. Group teleportation is possible if people who don't have any feathers touch the body of someone who's using one to teleport. Though it is Vohu Manah who connects the way, and is in complete control of teleportation routes.

-Quinn, as she still has a long way to go, has the average of 5 feathers. Ace class Yazata have 20 at a minimum.

-Since Khvarenah beat the shit out of Wahman Yast, the Yazata have been following a policy of waiting for the best moment to strike and running around. No facing Demon Kings on their own. That's why people like Magsarion just going on their own business is bad news.

-Chapter 2 will include all the Demon Kings, their names and natures.

>> No.22249710

>>22249698
>-Chapter 2 will include all the Demon Kings, their names and natures.
Ahhh...Murder Princess...

>> No.22249818

>>22246597
>one of the best artists in the industry
Is he? What was Yusuke's last famous work? And it's not like he is drawing a new art every chapter, in fact they are reusing lots of old stuff.

>> No.22249925

>>22249818
I mean, compared to most of the mediocre, crappy artists I see in visual novels? I think he should be pretty up there. His Pantheon stuff is also top tier

>> No.22250042

>>22249818
You mean, beside KKK?

>> No.22250220

>>22250042
Yes. What's his other successful works?

>> No.22250426

>>22250220
Why does he need another? It's proof he draw godlike. And pantheon, bar Marie's neck, showed his skills didn't drop.
Even DI, if really inconsistent, had so some very good art.

>> No.22250546

I actually think it would have been much more popular if they started their own manga. Masada would write and Yusuke draw.

>> No.22250572

>>22250546
No? You can't expose shit in manga, unless you butcher the genre, the only way it would work if it's a narrative driven story, something none of Masada works have been.

>> No.22250593

>>22250546
Masada's entire strength is his descriptive writing style and his prose, why would he do a manga where you can't do any of that?

>> No.22250621

>>22250593
Because it would get him more fans, that's my entire point. Even if he had to simplify the story.

>> No.22250660

>>22250621
So he should compromise on his artisitc vision to gain more fans?

>> No.22250669

>>22250660
Yes, if he wants more money for his projects.

>> No.22250705

>>22250669
Avesta is his project, probabaly would have been a chapter in pantheon where MC, Pink and Sliver adventure with Quinn and Samuchk

>> No.22250714

>>22232931
Is her skin color supposed to look off?

>> No.22250857
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>>22250714
How so?

>> No.22250861

>>22250857
The tone doesn't look like a natural brown, she looks sickly.

>> No.22251387

So this is gonna be a webnovel?
chapter 1 is out? is it translated?

>> No.22251860
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The guy sure does have a way with words.

>> No.22251918

>>22251387
>So this is gonna be a webnovel?
Yes, at least for now.
>chapter 1 is out?
Yes.
>is it translated?
No, probably never would be.

>> No.22252463

https://twitter.com/Flavius_dramus/status/1183390532359208963

>> No.22252465
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>>22252463
>>22245313

>> No.22254006

Will Muzan have 10 commandments in the finale? Since he’s supposed to be YHWH?

>> No.22255050

>>22254006
>he’s supposed to be YHWH
Wut?

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>>22255050
He's the Big Guy/YHWH/Father in Paradise Lost. See>>22231723

>> No.22257380

>>22254006
Interesting... could those theoretically be a basis for the anti-angels in Paralost?

>> No.22257568
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Don't know if anyone knew this but back when the countdowns were coming out some of the characters' names were abbreviated to some letters
It's also how people were able to guess Hirume and Yomi's names which were HIRU and YOMI iirc
Muzan's name was MGS, aka Magsarion
Besides all the obvious clues in the second half of the chapter, it's pretty much confirmed that Magsarion is Muzan's real name.

>> No.22257584

>>22250220

https://vndb.org/s717

Senshinkan would be the other successful one.

>> No.22257607

Has the human King of the Good confirmed to be Zarathustra?

>> No.22257626

>>22257607
No, it's been confirmed to be a guy called Sirios

>> No.22258355

>>22257568
huh

>> No.22259650
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22259650

I want to fuck Queen!

>> No.22260430

>>22259650
>Queen
ok mobileposter

>> No.22260553

>>22259650
If you commanded her to have sex with you would she do it?

>> No.22261325
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>Yato's fanfiction

>> No.22262292

>>22261325
source

>> No.22262312

>>22262292
https://twitter.com/eternal14sai/status/1181950204817264640

>> No.22263689

>>22259650
>Meanwhile, Muzan has sharingan instead

>> No.22263910

>>22261325
Yato's real fanfiction would be Habaki actually creaming him.
>inb4 muh nichijou

>> No.22265368

>>22260553
yes

>> No.22265371

>>22249710
you on spacebattles as well?

>> No.22265517

>>22260553
sorry low priority, she'd just ignore you

>> No.22268369

>>22260553
No

>> No.22270473

>>22263689
He IS the most edgy.

>> No.22270959

https://twitter.com/light_staff_tw/status/1185118670101475328

ayy

>> No.22272518

Other than gotterdammerung and mephistopheles, are there any other tracks that are actually arranges of orchestral/classical music?

>> No.22272567

>>22270959
>unexpected trouble
that's one way to put it lmao

>> No.22273712

What was today's information about?

>> No.22276699
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>> No.22276730

>>22276699
rip loli

>> No.22278229

So, will the MC of Pantheon be a Hadou God?

>> No.22278270

>>22278229
there will never be a pantheon anon. No company will ever be willing to touch that fucking project again. Even if they make it a VN series, that industry is kinda fucking dying so they'll just go bankrupt again.

>> No.22278915

>>22278229
Nah, the MC was supposed to be a human guardian/saver of Hirume/Amaterasu who had the same ability as Kouha (making copies of existense recorded inthe Throne or something). If we follow the trend he would at best have bee, an Gudou I guess.
But even if MC the focus was clearly supposed to be on the Hadou gods and their war angainst Naraka&co.
From desgin to role he felt more like a convenience too, a placeholder MC. Him being most likely shafted from the story since the mobage failded is the only reason I have to rejoice over Masada's misfortune.

>> No.22279547 [DELETED] 

>check mission board after Dweller and there's actually new shit on it
hmmmm

>> No.22279987

>>22270959
I thought Light doesn't exist anymore but they still wanted to release something?

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>>22278229
We don't know anon, maybe when he's done with Avesta and the pre-Throne era, he'll release Pantheon in some form then 8th and 9th Throne.

>> No.22280517

>>22280422
Avesta is literally a Pantheon chapter though.

>> No.22280675

>>22280422
? I've never said it wasn't, Pantheon was supposed to be Hirume&co visiting all previous era, Avesta seems to be a standalone story so far, 8th and 9th Throne were Pantheon part 2 and ending.

>> No.22280683

>>22280517
>>22280675
damn it

>> No.22282065

>>22280517
Yeah, but its Avestan befores Pantheon, everything shown in Avesten will change in First Throne Pnatheon revelation, so, we are gonna have good content.

>> No.22282131

>>22279987
Maybe read the Tweet, EOP.

>> No.22284197

>>22278229
The MC was just self-insert/placeholder so they can make YOU feel like you are the protagonist. Its like Gudako from FGO

The actual main characters were likely Kouha, Hirume and Yumi>>22278915

>> No.22284334

>>22278915
>>22284197
Given the following
>his importance to kouha
>his likely existence as the third pillar as susanoo in regards to amaterasu and tsukiyomi
>gender locked
>all the potential art already drawn by g
leads me to believe he's more likely to become an actual protagonist if Pantheon were to be repurposed into a different medium rather than completely omitted
Eroge?
He'd be the protagonist and dick Hirume, Kouha, Yomi, Mithra etc
Novel?
It would be written from his perspective

>> No.22285477

>>22284334
Can he romance Marie?

>> No.22286734

>>22285477
Nope

>> No.22286812

>>22285477
NO

>> No.22287154

>>22272518
pls respond

>> No.22287179

>>22272518
can't think of any tbqh

>> No.22287196

Reminder that the first throne assholes make the LDO look like they have common sense

>> No.22287299

>>22286734
>>22286812
Why?

>> No.22287308

>>22287299
Because she's Ren's bro...

>> No.22287315

>>22287308
If she's Ren's bro doesn't that mean she's not taken?

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>>22287315
You know what I meant

>> No.22287332
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>>22287327
Mommy

>> No.22287572

>>22287299
You want to cuck Ren?

>> No.22287593

>>22287572
https://twitter.com/Flavius_dramus/status/1183390532359208963

>> No.22287613

>>22287593
>>22287572
t. Snek

>> No.22287878
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>>22287308
>>22287572
Lol. Ren's into Rea.

>> No.22288353

>>22287154
I don’t think there are any others than those

>> No.22289230

>>22287878
Based and canonpilled

>> No.22289412

>>22287878
>literally a second choice
>is always thinking about marie
Rea is a cuck! A cuck!

>> No.22289637

>>22245623
Marie's a bitch who doesn't understand how people feel and gets her cuck boyfriends to beat up anyone who doesn't agree with her.

>> No.22289671

>>22289637
At least she hugs everyone no matter how ugly they are

Even Hajun and me

>> No.22289796

>>22289671
Ask yourself. Is the hug out of true compassion or one misunderstood compassion that is actually pity?

>> No.22290834

>>22289412
>is always thinking about marie
Not him but what are you talking about?

>> No.22290864

>>22289796
t.cutlist
Dead inside Snek and Ren, psychopath LDO, fight autist Reinhard and always bored Shirou were all Mariefag who loved her heaven.

>> No.22290903

>>22290834
>「……黄昏が好きなんだな、あんたは」
>「ああ」
>呟いた言葉に短く答えたその強さが、我が事のように誇らしかった。
>かつて、女神への愛を絶対に忘れないと言った男。その言葉はまだ生きているのだと、この刹那に理解することが出来たんだ。

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>>22290903
cute

>> No.22291299

>>22290903
>"...You love Tasogare, don't you?"
>"Yeah"
>I was so proud of the strenght of the short reply to my whispered words.
>A man once said he would never forgot his love for the goddess. I understood that these words still rang true even to this moment.

>> No.22292522

>>22291299
Wholesome and sweet. Ren deserves a happy life with Marie.

>> No.22294077

>>22292522
>Ren deserves a happy life with Marie.
But he’ll never get it, just like how he’ll never get his nichijou back.

>> No.22295222

>>22290864
Except Hajun

>> No.22295514

>>22295222
Hajun would have been perfectly fine as a gudou autist if it wasn't for the cutlists

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>A few thousand lives? Is that it?
God I love Ren's autism

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>>22295895
>resurrecting the dead is cheap, just get it over it LOL
>*Maries dies*

>> No.22297937

>>22296092
>1000 people die
>lmao 1500 people are born in their place

>> No.22298069

>>22297937
Based Habaki

>> No.22299130

Gf cucked me and I ejaculated feel so low right now...
Our relationship started off normal but eventually I grew soft and she began to dominate the relationship. After a while she would just bully and belittle me. Once in a while i would stand up to her and hate fuk her, she loved it and would become submissive for a while but that didnt last long and she would start dominating me again. She would jokingly say how she should find a real man to fuk her as i watched but i thought nothing of it...but i was wrong. I came back home one day after a long day of wagecucking and there i saw my gf standing there with a jacked steph curry looking guy, i was so shocked i couldnt move or say anything. She looked at me then started making out with this random guy, then she told him to fuk her in front of me and told me to start jacking off, i dont know wut came over me but i started doing as she said. They got on the bed and he started pounding her hard, i could tell she was experiencing true pleasure, something i couldnt give her. I ejaculated within a few minutes as she made hard lustful eye contact with me as he thrust his hips into her hips, giving her wut must have been 8 inches at least. It felt so wrong but so right, was this my final form? I dont know, life is so weird.

>> No.22299152

>>22299130
Okay Ren

>> No.22299224

>>22299130
And Karl’s love of getting cucked was born.

>> No.22299303

>>22299152
When did he get cucked?

>> No.22300320

>>22299303
He didn’t

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Friday's gonna reveal all the demon kings. Murder Princess better be a loli or else

>> No.22305108

>>22304850
What if she’s a titty monster?

>> No.22306802

Maybe tomorrow someone could paste the second chapter since it's been two weeks? And we can do this for the other chapters too. I think that's fair.

>> No.22308467

>>22306802
Dunno why that guy got so butthurt about vswiki using our summaries anyway; we've only got Pantheon's prologue recorded thanks to them in the first place, so isn't it a fair trade?

>> No.22308502

>>22308467
Beats me. I got nothing against it, the way I see it we're all just trying to enjoy Masada's work.

>> No.22309846

Silverio Ragnarok, huh?

>> No.22309988

>>22306802

Just pay the fucking men so they don't starve.

>> No.22309991

>>22309988
I literally cannot.

>> No.22310034

>>22308502
It's just moralfags who think that posting it on /jp/ is going to attract all of the japanese fans who currently pay for it and turn them into pirates overnight, when in reality there are people who either can't buy it who are interested or people who would never bother buying it in the first place but can at least contribute to discussion and keep this general out of the grave for once.

>> No.22310041

>>22309988
They’re each getting a lot more money than I do, I really can’t afford to or I’ll be the one starving.

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>>22306802
https://pastebin.com/dVyYZZCB
Here's the second half of chapter 1, expires in a week
Might leak chapter 2 after some deliberation
>>22308467
Don't know who that guy is but I'm the one who leaked the first chapter last time and post summarises for some of the stuff that comes out so I'm not entirely sure why he's so livid.

Ideally, I'd want the pastebin links to stay within the confides of this taiwanese basket weaving forum, where it would be harder for people outside of it to have access. Not because some sort of wish for exclusivity, but rather to minimise how far it gets leaked.
One retard posts it to on their retarded wiki, some other retard posts it to another one of their wiki/forums, maybe even makes a copy and posts it again but with no expiration
If the money wasn't directly going to Masada and G, I wouldn't be as nearly as anal about this

>> No.22310519

>>22308502
vswiki is literally cancer

>> No.22310658 [DELETED] 

>>22310178
Thanks for the second half, EOP bro.

>> No.22310668

>>22309988
Lol, tard. Look up how much they're already getting.

>> No.22310720

>>22308467
We also got one of the artbooks thanks to them.
>>22310178
It's not like this is a closed forum. Anyone who knows about this site can easily come to threads or check the archives.

>> No.22310725

>>22310178
Thanks Anon. That's why I proposed the two week delay. That way no matter which chapter is leaked it won't be the latest one. I think the guys that can't pay (like me) can wait to read the actual chapters.

I understand the sentiment about the money going directly to Masada, but I don't think this is going to hurt his numbers that much if at all.

>> No.22310816

>>22310725
I mean, Masada's main public is still going to be the Japanese, with the overseas earnings being a minimum part because:
>Paywall that restricts non-local credit cards
>Merch is usually mostly brought by locals, either due to the restrictions, being only sold in physical or shipping costs
>Language barrier

>> No.22310874

fuck off vswiki cucks

>> No.22310948

>>22310178
Maybe you can post them on mega with password and write it once for anons, then delete post.

>> No.22310950

>>22310874
It's especially pathetic how they're EOPs reliant on summaries from others. Then again, so are people here.

>> No.22310958

>>22310950
one side relies on summaries for narrative purposes
the other relies on summaries for autistic power level discussions that cross franchises/series
both are pathetic, but the latter is especially so

>> No.22311001

>>22310958
Fair enough.

>> No.22311194

>>22310948
You know archives exist right?

>> No.22311222

>>22311194
I know, but many random visitors don't, that's the point.

>> No.22311830

>>22310725
>>22310178
https://pastebin.com/UwEHYdkg
New chapter expires in a day, just going off the assumption that anyone who wants/is able to support them is already doing so

>> No.22311854

>>22311830
Wow thank you kind anon.

>> No.22311858

>>22311830
Holy shit thanks Anon.

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Avesta topped the enty rankings second when including r18 projects, not just for the month, but for all time.

>> No.22312143

>>22311873
Isn't he the only professional writer there?

>> No.22312153

>In the 3000 year history of the Wahman Yast, only three demon kings have been defeated by the hands of a Yatza
>Those three were defeated by one warrior, 20 years ago
>That warrior was Vahram, Magsarion's older brother
Well damn

>> No.22312232

>>22312153
How can they be connected? I mean is there any other Throne who have relatives?

>> No.22312263

>>22312232
>I mean is there any other Throne who have relatives?
Hajun, Marie and Nerose presumably

>> No.22312481

>>22312232
Mithra, Nerose, Hajun and Hirume I think.

>> No.22312487

>>22312232
>>22312481
Also Marie, forgot about her.

>> No.22312980

Demon kings named and given ranks, they have two names, the last is what I assume to be their true names, some of the names are hard to put into English

>Genocide Star Cluster - Saurva - 1st Demon King - Khvarenah
>Singularity - Angra Mainyu - 2nd Demon King - Nadare
>Rampageous Grasshopper - Aeshma - 3rd Demon King - Bafravān
>Garden of Carnage - Baliga - 4th Demon King - Frederica
>Hollow Burial Sphere - Druj Nasu - 5th Demon King - Mashyāna
>Dragon Corpse Star - Zahhak - 6th Demon King - Kaikhosru
>True Kingdom - Jahi - 7th Demon King - Aka Manah

The order is based on how dangerous the Wahman Yast perceive them to be, however the Demon Kings may rank themselves differently amongst themselves
4, 5 and 7 are new additions after the previous Demon kings were defeated by Vahrām 20 years ago
1, 2 and 3 standout from their rest due to their history of destroying planets and the fact that they have ruled for over a thousand years

Nadare is seemingly the oldest demon king, she has been around since beginning of the Whaman Yast, despite that she has the appearance of a young woman. She's constantly moving and warping around, never staying in the same place. Where she appears is completely random. Her being ranked number 2 by the Wahman Yast is due to her being quiet for a few hundred years. She might even be above Khvarenah in regards to destructiveness.

Whilst Nadare and Khvarenah are described as akin to calamities, Bafravān is a full on warrior. The Wahman Yast even know his commandment "Whoever he meets, no matter who they are, he must fight them with his utmost strength" . No matter who or what it might be, man, women, children, the elderly, animals, insects, fucking plants, he pays no mind to good or evil. You meet him, the gong rings. In regards to the changes within the Demon Kings, 90% of the time, he's the reason for it. Funnily enough he's also similar to Muzan in the "looking into his opponents eyes whilst listening to their agony as they die, bathing in their blood". The last one left is the strongest - operates on that sort of reasoning. Samluk even noted how he's like a fallen Magsarion.

Frederica is a crazed murderer, as such she (?) shows no interest in anything other than humans. Despite her (?) youth, she's still regarded as extremely dangerous. She (?) also has an infamous suburbanite who is extremely powerful.

On the point of youth, Mashyāna is similar. On her planet, a great number of people awakened to the deeper parts of the Avesta after the death of Vahrām. The planet served as the largest battleground of good and evil

Kaikhosru differs greatly from the rest in his disposition. He acts as a tyrant and focuses on the exploitation of others rather than killing, as such his danger rating is low. However he has served as a Demon King for quite some time, as such he must have some power given he was able to defend his position for so long

Not much is known about the Seventh Demon King given that it hasn't been active at all, All that is known it that it resides on a planet similar to the Holy Kingdom, hides in the darkness, completely unknown,

>> No.22313104

>>22312980
Thank you so much anon. Also, even for Masada, this is next level chuuni and I love it

>> No.22313347

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsnMV49941c

>> No.22313351

>>22312980
That's nice, thank you for translation.

>> No.22313355

>>22313347
I see Reinhard imposter.

>> No.22314105

>>22312980
>Whoever he meets, no matter who they are, he must fight them with his utmost strength" . No matter who or what it might be, man, women, children, the elderly, animals, insects, fucking plants, he pays no mind to good or evil.
That’s some next level autism right there.

>> No.22314161

I wonder if Mithra's possible sensory and the Observer are going to make an appearance at some point.

>> No.22314269

>>22314161
>Observer
Isn't that fanfiction?

>> No.22314282

>>22314269
>Who is Naraka and his Observers in each era?

>> No.22314285

>>22314282
>Naraka and his Observers
Yes, isn't that fanfiction?

>> No.22314288

>>22314285
No???

>> No.22314296

>>22314288
Where was it explained? PL?

>> No.22314301
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>>22314296
A little bit from KKK and a lot from Saoshyant Desatir.

>> No.22314309

>>22314301
I see, thank you.

>> No.22314457

>>22314105
So, Reinhard?

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>>22314301
What are the chances we were gonna get the other side with the enemies?
Also why the fuck does Hajun have robot arms?

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>yfw the Holy King has the same design as pic related

>> No.22314606

Someone please make a happy merchant edit with Mercurius with the caption “AROUND THE SNAKE, STAY AWAKE!”

>> No.22314665

>>22314606
On it Anon.

>> No.22314695

>>22314665
You are a good man.

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>>22312980
>Garden of Carnage - Baliga - 4th Demon King - Frederica
So that's our Murder Princess, eh? Cute name for a Demon King.

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>>22314695
I have the textless version if you don't like the font or what have you. This was just a quick edit, so I hope you weren't expecting something amazing.

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>>22314772
Should have noted that I did George Costanza with Muzan's sword and pic related, I'm open to editing more pics, since I'm here a lot and have plenty of free time. So if you've got ideas, I'm listening.

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22314850

On the subject of Muzan/Quinn's sword. A nice little detail is that there's a bull's head on both blades, even though Quinn's sword has slight differences from Muzan's (the golden edges, etc).
Here's the two heads.

>> No.22315369

>>22314850
Don't know if it's been mentioned but Quinn fights unarmed because she's terrible with weapons. What's even funnier is that she's especially bad with swords.

>> No.22315478

>>22314296
I'm not sure, but I think PL had some roundabout things about the Observer. In KKK he was clearly mentioned in the Hajun's shrine, thus establishing him as a proper concept.

>> No.22315587

>>22314564
>why the fuck does Hajun have robot arms?
why not?

>> No.22315675

>>22315587
Fair enough

>> No.22315933

>>22314772
>that image
>that file name
10/10

>> No.22316133

>>22312980
>>Rampageous Grasshopper
>"Whoever he meets, no matter who they are, he must fight them with his utmost strength"
how would the pantheon protagonists keep this guy in line? i just have a mental image of hirume putting some guy in full plate armour in a headlock

>> No.22317155

>>22312232
Huh, everyone had a family at some point. Even the Snek.

>> No.22317196

>>22315933
Glad you liked it Anon.

>> No.22317429
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22317429

is he ever going to get his translation?

>> No.22317497

>>22317155
Didn't just appear ?

>> No.22317517

>>22317429
he doesn't need a translation because he's not a dirty EOP

>> No.22317907

>>22317497
I think he means Ren. Pre-throne Mercurius shouldn't have a family, right?

>> No.22318945

>>22312980
>A young woman with teleportation is more destructive than a giant death star larger than several galaxies
I really hope we see what her powers are soon

>> No.22319164

>>22317429
He kinda looks like Snek.

>> No.22321206

Even if Hajun remained a Gudou God, would another Hadou God still have naturally appeared in the Fifth Heaven? And if so, would Marie’s Law collapse since it can only sustain a maximum of three other Hadou Laws (Snek, Kemono and Ren)? What would happen to the universe then?

>> No.22321296

>>22321206
> can only sustain a maximum of three other Hadou Laws
Don't remember that being the case.

>> No.22321385

>>22321296
It was brought up by Yakou in KKK.

>> No.22321395

>>22321385
Really? How does he know about that?

>> No.22322810

>>22321206
Wouldn’t it be the same as when there are normally multiple Hadous and their Laws clash until one overcomes the other?

>> No.22323587

>>22321385
It was more like his speculation. He thought that putting too many Hadou Gods in the throne may break it sooner on later.

>> No.22326089

Chapter summary:

First of all, at the introduction of the chapter we get a description of the planet Wahman Yast is situated (HQ of the Yazata), as an archetypical world of Good. Basically, all of nature is in perfect harmony, it is a true paradise. Its oceanic life lives in perfect harmony, with strictly regulated competition and cooperation and a tighly preserved equilibrium of weak-strong living things. The same goes for ground dwelling life, who live in perfect harmony with their environment and wildlife in a single continent. All of these beings are cared for by their homeworld itself, and its Star Spirit: all stars are alive, as much as the beings dwelling within them. Even those inhospitable planets with scorching environments and icy landscapes are. If a planet's dead, it cannot even be called a planet: it's just a lump of rock.

These are the planets aligned with the side of Good, all inhabitants receiving their homeworld's blessing as worthy Ashavan. Even though humans are the only intelligent species, these worlds are far from being an uncontested dictatorship of mankind. Humans, considering all living things their brethren, live in absolute harmony with nature, neither burning forests down nor polluting the seas. As their Avesta determines, Ashavan are inclined for respect and preservation of the world's natural order, and mostly anathema to anything disturbing it. There are a few people who can indeed build craft and technologies that allow them to twist this natural order somewhat, but such people are extremely few in number, and they do not share their craft with the common folk. In order to respect the natural order, and to maintain the inherent a harmony to it, the Ashavan relinquish all selfishness and just seek to lead a pastoril, idyllic life in communion with nature.

This is exactly the reason why the advancement rate for Ahura Mazda is so low, and why indeed all civilizations are on the technological level of the Middle Ages. And also, the very reason as to why there's a quality disparity in Ashavan in comparison to Dragvant: as Evil, they are the very opposite of the Ashavan, they are selfish beings who seek to monopolize and take over everything, fucking up and disrupting the natural order in the process, which is the moment they enter into conflict with the Ashavan, driven by their Avesta to end them. The Yazata, formed as the warriors of Good, use all their technology to become strong enough to face their opposing enemies, the Daeva (that is, their tech is only remotely more advanced in terms of tools useful for war). And even though the Dragvant are qualitatively better than the Ashavan, they surpass them in quantity. This is exemplied in the fact that the Yazata in Wahman Yast are an entire army, while the Seven Archdemons leading the Dragvant are fixed at 7.

>> No.22326108

>>22326089
The Workshop of Destruction, Archdemon Khvarenah, in light of this is a terrific entity. A force equivalent to a natural disaster that disseminates its artifacts through the universe with no care for Good or Evil, therefore expanding tragedy's reach and turning the universe into a gigantic whirlpool of chaos. He also breaks somewhat the differences in between Ashavan and Dragvant, as he is the summit of quality while also possessing massive quantity, plus his artifacts.

The current world that serves as the foundation of Wahman Yast, basically what has been described above (called "blue gem shining in the void" or something to that effect), is not the original HQ of the palace of the Yazata. Their original base fell 20 years ago, during the attack of the Star Cluster of Extinction. Basically, on top of all casualties in the battle, the entire planet was gulped down by Khvarenah and his kenzoku. The guardian Star Spirit of Wahman Yast, previously defeated and devoid of a yorishiro, Vohu Manah, used the last of its power to allow barely 30 survivors to teleport away via its blessing (that is, Sewatir). The current planet they are in was a previously unexplored one. Even though this planet is barely on the development level of the Middle Ages, their original one was different. Not only have they lost huge amount of warriors, but also the people who knew how to operate their technologies, therefore their development level has been set back considerably. Which means Wahman Yast are a far cry from what they were in their golden age. The previously lustrous palace of heroes now looks like then den of assassins and rogues, and the Yazata inhabiting in have lost their previously heroic and glorious aura to give way to grief, gloom and desperation. Frankly they are not in their best moment currently, on top of basically being forced to hide and to use hit and run tactics till they recover their former strength.

The story begins as Samruhk is taking her vows, she is being inducted as a Yazata officially, in a ceremony presided by Holy King Sirius himself. Alongside him, stand two princes of the planet, as well as 50 other Yazata. The government system of Wahman Yast is a pure meritocracy, not determined by someone's bloodline, extending to Sirius himself. One who is to become Holy King must be able to establish a connection to Vohu Manah, as well as taking on the extremely rigorous Commandments that the position entails. The two princes were born after the catastrophic defeat 20 years ago as natives of this planet, belonging to powerful and influential families. So are the other 50 Yazata, none of them witnessed the attack of Khvarenah. No one, but Sirius himself. Of the 30 Yazata who survived such event, only 5 people still remain alive: Sirius, a certain "sister", Vohu Manah, a lone Yazata currently on a mission in some far away planet, and Magsarion. Quinn tells us she hasn't read the minds of those 5, and due to that, she can only know what happened back at the time through what they tell her (remember, Khvarenah shat her out right after this affair, she didn't personally witness it). Additionally, it's not that she hasn't, it's that she's unable to read the minds of both Sirius (who has a fortress-like mind) and Magsarion (whose mind is just a vortex of rage and violence). Sirius himself is just about 40 years old, but he looks like a really old gentleman, as the position has taken its toll on him. Nevertheless, he remains extremely powerful, and Samruhk is afraid to look him in the eyes ( he’s basically KKK Old!Second Heaven).

>> No.22326140

>>22326108
In the process of her introduction ceremony, Samruhk receives pitch black metal prothesics to make up for her lost limbs in battle (even though it is said there are people in Wahman Yast who can perform strong Haom to just regen her limbs, that'd go against her Commandment. While prothesics don't). Upon receiving Quinn's report of what went down in the village (murder of Layley and the villagers), it is on Sirius' hands to determine what to do about Magsarion. He faces three possible punishments: execution, exile or just taking away his Yazata rights and being put under surveillance, if he is deemed to valuable a resource to lose. Magsarion acted within their rules of engagament, though, and Samruhk is of the mind that he shouldn't be allowed to die so easily, he must make up for his crimes first.

The conversation with Sirius reveals the existence of a miraculous hero of the Yazata, Varhram... Sirius' sworn friend, as well as Magsarion's older brother. He had been one of the strongest Yazata ever, being responsible for the take down of no less than 3 ARCHDEMONS all by himself, concretely ranks 4, 5 and 7. Which is all that Wahman Yast has managed in 2,000 years of history. To the point finding a successor for him is a key point of their counterattack strategy as, sadly, he met his end 20 years ago fighting Khvarenah. His death marked Sirius and Magsarion's lives, it is said that Magsarion's bottomless hatred for Evil is, in part, due to his death. Quinn foresees that civil war might break out within Wahman Yast, given the situation.

After the audience is over, Quinn takes Samrukh to the Planetarium: Mandala-like space that shows a map of the entire universe, drawn thanks to the universal awareness of Vohu Manah. Even though it is not perfect, they can track the position of anything within the universe with it, including their enemies.

Quinn lists the demon kings’ location/domain or their kenzoku first, then their rank, then their true names:

Star Cluster of Extinction Saurva, Rank 1 Archdemon, Khvarenah.
Singularity Angra Mainyu, Rank 2 Archdemon, Nadare.
Violent Locust Swarm Aeshma, Rank 3 Archdemon, Bhavan.
Garden of Bloodshed, Rank 4 Archdemon, Frederica.
Dakhman Druj Nas, Rank 5 Archdemon, Mashyana.
Star Dragon Corpse Zahak, Rank 6 Archdemon, Kaikhosru.
Domain of the True King Jihi, Rank 7 Archdemon, Aka Manah.

Khvarenah goes without saying, we already know a lot about him as opposed to the others. The only one which represents kenzoku is Bhavan's Violent Locust Swarm Aeshma, according to Masada. The others are the Archdemon's location, that is, their domain. Seems like he's treating the Star Cluster of Extinction as a star system despite them being Khvarenah's kenzoku too.

Quinn says all of them are set apart a humongous distance from each other. So much, that crossing it at the speed of light, would take some 10,000s of years. However, this means shit to the Archdemons, as they are able to replicate Vohu Manah's Star Spirit blessing to just teleport (remember, there are a few Star Spirits among them, Khvarenah is not the only one). Samruhk inmediately asks what's the criteria Wahman Yast uses to rank them, and Quinn simply answers that they are ranked in accordance to the Evil and harm they cause, that is, the number of Ashavan they have killed. It's not a power ranking. But......... Ranks 1 to 3 are on an entirely different level from the others. In the first place, not only are those 3 the strongest of the Archdemons, all of them having a track record of destroying multiple stars (with Khvarenah, a star devouring star, being the main example), they are also the oldest and most ancient, having lived for at least 1,000 years straight. Samruhk is totally baffled by this revelation. Quinn reveals that they aren't human, in the same way as she isn't too. However, even while their bodies might be undying, their mind is certainly not, and time would take its toll on them. However, these three have souls capable of trascending the very laws of physics/nature, and just by their force of will they are able to remain just as they began.

>> No.22326157

>>22326140
First thing's first, Rank 2, Nadare. She's mysterious as fuck to say the least, and her location cannot even be accurately pinpointed. Her behaviour is hectic: she appears on some location, then dissappears and reappears at a whim in an entirely different place, ad libitum... thus Singularity. Her power basically lets her jump outside of the universe, then reappear wherever she desires. She apparently used to irregularly gather the other Archdemons within her realm outside of the universe, this Singularity, which gets interpreted by Samruhk as being the Archdemons' collective HQ. She is a fearsome if unknown existence, since as her name indicates, she is able to "break" the world. Her appearence, as recorded, is that of a young girl, but Quinn advises Samruhk not to be fooled: she is in truth the oldest Archdemon, having existed for the entirety of Wahman Yast's history. Yeah, she's even older than Quinn's old man, and is really fucking powerful as well as important. Quinn speculates that, if she were more active, she'd be Rank 1 instead of Khvarenah. Apparently, her activity follows cycles, and she so far has been hundreds of years without appearing, probably chilling within Singularity (is this THE Singularity?), so she got an automatic demotion.

Rank 3, Bhavan, is also fearsome but quite different from Khvarenah and Nadare. While these two are destroyers, Bhavan is a warrior. While they are forces of nature/natural disasters, Bhavan's point of view is extrictly human. His Commandment is known to Wahman Yast to be Fight whoever you meet with your full strength, as long as both of you recognize each other. Which means that he must kill anything he meets. Man or woman, adult or child, animal or plant or bug, Good and Evil, anything. He's a relentless force of destruction that kills anything he meets without any regards for them being Ashavan or Dragvant, he's reduced to waste numerous planets already in his quest, and killed numerous Star Spirits. He'll fight anything and everything, last remaining thing being the universe's strongest individual. Furthermore, he's also responsible for 90% of the Archdemon replacements these last 1,000 years. So yeah, this guy is insane and kills his fellow Archdemons for sport, he's probably source of most of the infighting within the Dragvant. His reckless, bloodthirsty behaviour makes Samruhk spitefully compare him to a Tentsui'd Magsarion.

>> No.22326169

>>22326157
Summary for ranks 4 to 7 is far more brief. Rank 4, Frederica, is refered to as being a murderous demon (and given the wording, she's likely to be the Princess of Slaughter mentioned in Saoshyant Desatir). Therefore, she's only interested in humans. Do not be fooled by her youth (given Varhram killed the previous Rank 4 20 years ago, Frederica is the previous Rank 4 Archdemon's replacement), as her Rank indicates she's quite a great threat. BTW, replacements for the core groups take place after 1 year if the opposing side faills to kill them all within that time. It's also noted her kenzoku are notoriously dangerous.

Rank 5, Mashyana, is also a rather young Archdemon, being a replacement for one of those killed by Varhram. Despite her youth, and similarly to Frederica, do not be fooled. In her planet, people were born without regard for Good and Evil, so it was quite a gruesome battlefield... till she came out the decisive victor.

Rank 6, Kaikhosru, is ranked so low because of his behaviour. He's more of a tyrant than a killer. He heavily oppresses people living in his domain and makes their lives a living hell, but he's far more unlikely to resort to killing than his peers.

Aaaand finally there's Rank 7, Aka Manah... another huge mystery. Samruhk realizes his location, Domain of the True King Jihir (reminder, Wahman Yast's kanji say "Domain of the Holy King". The contrast is obvious), is a replica of the current world Wahman Yast is in, being situated just above their location according to the Planetarium. Quinn informs her that Aka Manah's info is really damn thin, this Archdemon hasn't done anything notorious, and the only thing they know for sure is that Aka Manah is a Star Spirit. Quinn, upon saying this, inmediately feels something ominous (as if the narration is saying MAN THIS GUY'S A BIG DEAL).

Once this is all over, Samruhk asks Quinn when the fuck are the Yazata going to counterattack, as she's getting irritated by their current state. Quinn says that they must look for a successor to Varhram, as well as to get their former strength back. This causes Samruhk to retort that, even with their former strength, Khvarenah wasted them... which causes Quinn to answer that, on top of that, they will have something more... an artifact of Khvarenah himself. They will use the Archdemon's own power against him, make his chaotic schtick of disseminating artifacts for both Good and Evil bite him in the ass, and once he gives birth to the ultimate Demonic Sword, use it as a Divine Sword to strike him down (this is so fucking familiar).

>> No.22326210

>>22326169
Thanks for this

>> No.22326219

>>22326157
>Apparently, her activity follows cycles, and she so far has been hundreds of years without appearing, probably chilling within Singularity (is this THE Singularity?)
>disappears and reappears at a whim in an entirely different place, ad libitum... thus Singularity. Her power basically lets her jump outside of the universe, then reappear wherever she desires. She apparently used to irregularly gather the other Archdemons within her realm outside of the universe
IS SHE FUCKING MITHRA?

>> No.22326232

>>22326108
>Magsarion (whose mind is just a vortex of rage and violence).
Literally pissed 24/7, always angry all the time. The man's in a constant state of murderous rage.

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>>22326219
Probably her sensory >>22314161

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>>22326232
They are rage, brutal, without mercy. But you. You will be worse. Rip and tear, until it is done.

>> No.22326353

>>22326241
>her Law divided every living being into the two extremes of good and evil, creating a world of eternal conflict.

>Even if one side destroys another, in the next moment the whole value system is reversed, and what yesterday was good, today is evil. And so the war never ends.
Reinhard would get along very well with her.

>> No.22326359

>>22326353
Has Masada said how Reinhard would fair against the Archdemons?

>> No.22326540

>>22326169
>once he gives birth to the ultimate Demonic Sword, use it as a Divine Sword to strike him down
>Sword
Hmmm...

>> No.22326542

>>22326359
What? He is a Hadou God, he would one shot them like Hadou Gods would one shot anything that isn't another God

>> No.22326545

>>22326285
Someone make a Muzan edit of this.

>> No.22326551

>>22326542
I think they meant Briah Reinhard, not Hadou.

>> No.22326588

>>22326545
Will give it a shot Anon.

>> No.22326598

>>22326588
Thanks

>> No.22326621

>>22326232
>You say I'm not 'Good'?! Then I'll accept it, witness me as the Evil that feasts upon Evil!

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>>22326545
Should I put Muzan's sword in or no?

>> No.22326641

>>22326639
If you want to, sure. Great job by the way.

>> No.22326644
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>>22326641
Here's the Magsarion version.

>> No.22326665

>>22326540
Fun Fact: Magsarion's armour was also shat out by Khvarenah.

>> No.22326818

>>22326641
Yeah I can't add the sword in, it's shape and size are pretty hard to work with.

>Great job by the way.

Thanks Anon! I'm glad you liked it.

>> No.22327003

>>22314772
>>22326639
>>22326644
We have great edit anons in this thread.

>> No.22327017

>>22326157
>is this THE Singularity
Maybe she’s one of Mithra’s sensories?
Mithra’s whole deal was duality wasn’t it? Maybe she has a sensory in the upper ranks of each “side” of the war.

>> No.22327025

>>22327017
>Maybe she has a sensory in the upper ranks of each “side” of the war.
!!!

>> No.22327030

>>22326169
Thanks summary-anon

>> No.22327055

>>22327003
All me Anon. Like I said I have loads of free time and I'm on here a lot. I like doing it too, even though I don't consider myself any good at it.

>> No.22327127

>>22327055
Please keep it up.

>> No.22327144

>>22327127
I will. As long as somebody asks, I'll at least try. Thanks for the encouragement Anon.

>> No.22327265
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Here's Muzan's sword if someone wants to edit it in. It's almost 4 AM for me so I'm off to bed.

If someone else makes an edit request, I'll look through them when I get up and work on them when I can.

>> No.22327588

>>22326359
Methuselah was ranked on the same powerlevel as the Demon Kings and Yatsukahagi. Reinhard would murder them the same way he fucked with Meth.

>> No.22327634

Kinda funny how in a few chapters of Avesta we've gotten more world-building detailing the 1st Throne than we've gotten in the entirety of Dies irae about the 4th Throne. IkaBey fixes this, somewhat, but I still feel it has some potential for expansion beyond the LDO, like in the early days of the era, when magic was still plentiful.

>> No.22327842

>>22327634
I didn't mind that really. Dies had a story to tell and it told it well, it doesn't really need excessive setting detail when the setting was mostly modern earth with extras anyway.

>> No.22327849

>>22326108
>two princes
There are twelve lords

>> No.22328261

>>22327634
4th throne wa sliterally just our wolrd, but with nazi and space wizards. And the story didn't focus on the setting, but on Ren slaughtering said wizards.
Meanwhile Avesta is universe wide eternal war between star clusters and angels of doom. Of course you'll need more world-building, especially since this time the story focuses a lot of more on the overall setting.

>> No.22328709

>>22326169
That's a big work, thank you good anon.

>> No.22329525

>>22328261
What about Methuselah’s time, when gods existed and magic was commonplace?

>> No.22329806

>>22326359
Don't know but the general power rankings are
>Tier 7
Gods
>Tier 6
Methuselah, Yatsukahagi, Angels and Demons, The Seven Demon Kings, and Hirume
>Tier 5
Machina, Schreiber, Eleonore (Ryuumei), Lot and Pantheon MC
>Tier 4
Wilhelm, Beatrice, Trifa, Eastern Expedition and Yumi
>Tier 3
Kei, Rusalka, Know, and Ryuusui
>Tier 2
Liza and Sakuya
>Tier 1
Spinne
I'd assume there are variations in tier 6 given that three of the Demon Kings stand heads above the others, so non god Reinhardt would probably be the creme de la creme of Tier 6. So probably manhandles 4 of the lower Demon Kings like Methuselah and no idea about the top 3. But then again, Reinhardt manhandling Methuselah could be attributed to him being Snek's death wish incarnate giving him great compatibility against the gods born from his law.
The key is compatibility I suppose, though Machina is tier 5, he could probably one shot a decent number of the tier 6s if he can punch them in the first place.

>> No.22329817

>>22326639
>>22326644
quality content

>> No.22329833

>>22326232
So basically me in a good day.

>> No.22329847

>>22232852
God I fucking wish.

>> No.22329890

You know, despite wanting to kill every single god, Muzan seems to have mellowed out.

>> No.22329906

>>22329806
>I'd assume there are variations in tier 6
Sounds about right, Masada said that the second throne raised the strongest guys across all heavens.

>> No.22329938

>>22329806
>Tier 4 : EE
Are they really that weak? Habaki cheated to win against Yato but the rest beat their respective Yatsukahagi opponent no?

>> No.22329950

>>22329938
>but the rest beat their respective Yatsukahagi opponent no?
After they became gods, or in the case of Keishirou, reached gedatsu and had Sukuna's law backfire on him
The Tier 4 ranking means their strength before they became gods

>> No.22330097

>>22329950
>>22329806
Still doesn't make much sense to me. Machina still had good chances of beating down basically anything that isn't a God or has a way to nullify his Briah, and the EE had some really strange powerhouses like Madara.
Although maybe the Commanders are like that on their own without counting their power-up from being part of Reinhard's legion even pre-godhood.

>> No.22330304

>>22330097
>and the EE had some really strange powerhouses like Madara
The entire Eastern Expedition was thoroughly btfo by Akuro and Morei at Fuwanoseki, Yakou included.

>> No.22330776

>>22312980
>>Singularity - Angra Mainyu - 2nd Demon King - Nadare
AM best girl

>> No.22330912

>>22330776
I only know Fate's Angra Mainyu, funny how nips like to use the same gods in their works.

>> No.22331148

>>22330912
Beats all the repeats of Norse and Greek myth.

>> No.22331352
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>>22331148
>Norse
There are good examples though.

>> No.22331456

If Naraka's Observers really are Judas, Shirou and Sukuna I'd be really disapointed. This kinda of things shits on the characters.

>> No.22331561

>>22331456
Why exactly, though?

>> No.22331756

>>22331561
Makes their own motivations and developments kinda pointless.

>> No.22331880

>>22331456
>really
You think it wasn't confirmed or what? Even besides the stuff Masada said on that matter, Kajiri clearly confirms that Sukuna is the Observer's sensory, and the pantheon prologue confirms Judas being one as well.
>Makes their own motivations and developments kinda pointless
So everything about Habaki is also pointless because he's a sensory? And the whole thing with the Nakanoin's final moments?

>> No.22332108

>>22331456

God made man in his own image. The entirety of Shinza allegorically portrays this concept. The different definition and mode of operation of human beings under the different metaphysical laws of different Gods. Does this make the entirety of non-Hadou God Shinza casts to be pointless because their characterizations were entirely based around their surrounding world they exist under?

>> No.22332342

Is it possible that Varhram didn't die but fell instead, becoming Aka Manah and had an alignment shift which is what really fucked with Magsarion?

>> No.22332448

EditAnon here, should I make a smash newcomer edit and put Magsarion in?

>> No.22332493

>>22332342
Well during Muzan's monologue, he talks about how he killed everyone, the previous god, good, evil and even his 兄弟, which in hindsight was obviously in the literal sense. So I expect him to have to kill his brother in some shape or some form.

>> No.22332540

>>22332342
Aka Manah is a Star Spirit though, would that really be possible?

>> No.22332545

>>22332448
Do it, but make sure to get a good pic of Magsarion.

>> No.22332552
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>>22332545
Does this work?

>> No.22332553

>>22332540
In one of the first lore dumps about star spirits we found out in extremely rare cases that if you kill a star spirit, you become one.
He killed 3 demon kings, so it's a possibility.

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>>22332552
Ideally you should use pic related, but unfortunately, we don't have a clean version, without the text. Also, the crop job on that Magsarion looks rather bad, can't you fix that?

>> No.22332608

>>22332589
I did think of using that pic, but like you said, it's a bit messy.

I can clean up the crop, I more or less posted the pic to see if there was anything else I should fix. I'll get on it right now. I'll see what I can do about making a version with one you posted.

>> No.22332697

>>22332589
I might have figured something out that will work but it will take a while. I'll post it in the next thread if I don't finish it on time for this one.

>> No.22332812
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>>22332589
How does this look like Anon?

>> No.22332870

>>22332812
Still not quite satisfied, to be honest. Guess we have too little resources to work with right now. Try finishing the crop job on the other one, then we'll see.

>> No.22332904

>>22332870
Will do, but it's a little too late for me right now. I'll get to it when I have the time. Thanks for the feedback Anon!

>> No.22332962

>>22332553
>the very last fight is not actually against Forge Daddy or Nadare, but him
Would be pretty kino.

>> No.22332978

>>22332962
>implying the final fight won't be Everyone vs Magsarion

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>He/Him

Is this kind of mental illness pervasive among Western Shinza fans?

>> No.22333086

>>22333082
Is a mental ilness pervasive among western animefags and twitter in general.

>> No.22333092

>>22333082
Not just Shinza, but eroge in general. Dunno why eroge, of all things, attracts so many of those people.

>> No.22333142

>>22333092
Leftism is all about overcompensating for your vices.

>> No.22333265

>>22333082
don't quote me, but i think he's a jew

>> No.22333313

>>22333082
>>22333086
>>22333092
>>22333142
>>22333265
I really hope you're all being ironic. Because this is next level pathetic.

>> No.22333319

>>22333313
Sympathizers get the rope too.

>> No.22333381

>>22333319
EOPs should just get gassed.

>> No.22333869

>>22333313
You're not a woman, you're misshapen man.

>> No.22334438

This thread is filling with tons of homophobic Slavs , Pathetic.

>> No.22334691

thread ruined by vswikifags

>> No.22334772

>>22334438
Well, DI is chuuni and has nazi symbolics of course it attacks this kind of pol crowd.

>> No.22334812

I imagine it's been asked to death here but is Paradise Lost good? KKK was fairly cool, although it climaxed early and the finale was somewhat underwhelming. I'm more into cool fights and chuuni chanting rather than philosophical wanking, should I read PL?

>> No.22334838

>>22334812
PL hasn't aged well in my opinion, the actual writing itself is the weakest amongst all of Masada's works. However, it does have some really cool world building and lore if that's your speed. Otherwise I'd recommend moving onto Senshinkan, which I personally preferred over the Shinza works.

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