/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>22199783
Perfect OP.

I knew the Babylon threads were going to be bad, but holy shit.
There's no saving this fanbase, is there?

>>22199968
The writing was on the wall long ago, though with hindsight can we see how long ago that actually was.

For people who are so hellbent on hating FGO you sure can't shut up about it.

>>22200139
it's fun to watch you get mad about your mobile game being criticised

>>22200477
ur waifu a shit

So, how did you feel about the first epipsode of Babylonia? Did you expect better, worse?

I was pleasantly surprised by the use of in-game tracks.

>>22200643
>in-game tracks.
Which are mediocre.
Besides, that is just extra pandered fanservice, which is literally all the 1st episode was.

>>22200643
We already discussed it a bit last thread anon.
I was not impressed and it's pretty much what I expected, the characters and dialogue are still boring uninspired garbage, CGI looked bad, fights were unimpressive, character designs are dogshit as we already knew. The monster gore and the scenic views were the only positive parts of the episode to me.

Also fuck FGO's music, especially those most common tracks only remind me of what a bad time I've actually had playing the game over the last few years. They're so damn repetitive and at this point nothing but an annoyance.

>>22200643
I'll wait till ep 2. 1st ep is basically fuck all.

>>22200665
Why did you even play the game if you despise FGO so much? And why did you also watch the anime adaption given your hatred of it?

https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep6/status/1180498171513847809
what do /tmg/ think about the new Camelot PV?

>>22200978
I'm a braindamaged TMfag, can't not keep up with it.
You also gotta have experience with something if you wanna explain why it's shit in an argument. Otherwise FGOfags would have free rein to go"haha FGO is a masterpice this is Nasu's best writing ever! If you disagree you're a secondary and haven't read it" without ever feeling questioned.

>>22200980
Pretty disappointing animation quality for a Production IG movie. Character designs are iffy but better than Babylonia it seems? Just hoping they downplay Chaldea's involvement in the story as much as humanly possible, it comes down to directing really.

>>22201100
>You also gotta have experience with something if you wanna explain why it's shit in an argument. Otherwise FGOfags would have free rein to go"haha FGO is a masterpice this is Nasu's best writing ever!
Why put yourself through something you don't enjoy just to tell someone they're wrong? If they like it, they're gonna like it even if someone says they're wrong.

>>22201130
True enough, but as a part of the community I still feel the need to have my own opinion about the most recent TM thing.
Besides I've been following it since 2015 and disliked it since 2016, would feel weird to stop for no particular reason.

>>22201130
Oh, and it's not so much to convince other people in an argument (who often don't want their minds changed anyway) but to show different perspectives to 3rd party onlookers. Otherwise everyone would just believe FGO is great and Type-Moon is doing a great thing by focusing exclusively on Fate gachacancer. You gotta make negative opinions public as well.

>B-b-but old TM was better guise!
Please stop kidding yourselves. There's a reason Nasu is embarrassed of his old works.

>>22201400
Why would you post this image that clearly runs against your own opinion?

>>22201424
Imagine preferring worse writing and cringe designs compared to the pure kino on the right

I love Sion

>>22201449
The right side has no writing, and if you showed any of it it'd be obvious how insipid it is.
All it has is big dumb monsters in CGs that aren't even as good as Mahoyo (all cherrypicked from the final couple chapters in the story, because the rest of it is completely low effort and technically unimpressive). How exactly do you see that shitfest as better than Tsukihime, /fgog/-kun?

>>22201400
This feels accurate. There's no real text on the right since Nasu doesn't write anything anymore.

>>22201488
>The right side has no writing, and if you showed any of it it'd be obvious how insipid it is.
It's just basic politeness since none of you know Japanese.
>How exactly do you see that shitfest as better than Tsukihime, /fgog/-kun?
Because Tsukihime has horrible pacing, a repetitive script, a bland self insert main character, awful art and designs, and no gameplay to spice things up.

>>22201504
>It's just basic politeness since none of you know Japanese.
I assure you FGO characters don't become more than cardboard cutouts when they're speaking japanese instead of english, and the Nasu prose inbetween dialogue is still limited or non-existant when compared to the Tsukihime and KT screenshots in that image.

>FGO gameplay
>spice things up
More like try your hardest not to fall asleep for several minutes as you mindlessly tap the screen while staring at the same repeated animations you've seen a billion times.

Funny that you're this bored that you decided to come bait here, I'm very sorry that your DW overlords aren't willing to put effort into making more frequent content for your kusoge. I'm sure you'd have more fun in /a/ though, plenty of people there willing to shit on FGO and argue as much as you want now that the anime is airing.

I might have a different perspective on this "new TM being bullshit" topic.
I don't think it is problematic to have a mobage and other spin offs. I mean, if TM wants some money, unfortunately it needs to target other audiences, so FGO, apocrypha, everything to me was fine and fair.
Well, it would be fine as long as those were not equal in value of lore and were not the focus of the author. A lot of shit happened and I dare say both Tsukihime Remake and Mahoyo stopped or at least got slowed because of FGO. Add this to the fact that Nasu had little to no time (as was stated by him that he was heavily involved in everything that was created) and that he has this bizarre behavior of talking fucking nothing about the progress of his works (maybe cause he is a disorganized asshole) and also add the fact that all the universe was being changed and retconed for the sake of FGO and that will already make me mad.
This doesn't mean I hate FGO, although I don't think it can be equal to a TM main work. FGO is fun as a mobage. But that's it.
The same goes to other anime like Apocrypha, to which I think is also worse, but it is a what if scenario that can be fun to watch. But that's it, just a "let's play and see what it happens on our free time".
I made a lot of tabletop, pen and paper RPGs of HGWs and they were a lot of fun, to the point of becoming a tradition with my friends. But we don't and will never put it above what Nasu did. We even distinguish it for Nasuverse just like Riyoverse would be different.
I also don't think everybody here actually hates FGO and the new generation of works, maybe dislike them and feel the urge to vomit on some aspects, but overall, we like to play on the concepts just like Carnival Phantasm did. But don't expect us to accept the new generation of works because they don't follow the method. They are not VNs, they are not books and they are not even written by Nasu, the one who we actually follow here.

>>22201533
>FGO characters don't become more than cardboard cutouts when they're speaking japanese instead of english
Like you would know, since you can't even read the source material.
>and the Nasu prose inbetween dialogue is still limited or non-existant when compared to the Tsukihime and KT screenshots in that image.
That's a good thing. Too much of anything is bad, and the more limited prose makes us appreciate it more.
>More like try your hardest not to fall asleep for several minutes as you mindlessly tap the screen while staring at the same repeated animations you've seen a billion times.
The gameplay is riveting, though. People who say this haven't even played it.
>Funny that you're this bored that you decided to come bait here, I'm very sorry that your DW overlords aren't willing to put effort into making more frequent content for your kusoge. I'm sure you'd have more fun in /a/ though, plenty of people there willing to shit on FGO and argue as much as you want now that the anime is airing.
Not an argument.

>>22201504
>Because Tsukihime has horrible pacing, a repetitive script, a bland self insert main character, awful art and designs
That is pretty much the definition of FGO though, specially the bland self insert main character part.

>>22201504
>and no gameplay to spice things up
That only means that you don't like to read. Any book will seem to have a horrible pacing and in some cases repetitive if you're not a trained reader.

>>22201504
> Shiki is a bland self-insert, but Gudao is fine

>>22201539
This is similar to what my perspective has always been.
I would not particularly hate FGO if it was not the main project. I would think it has a lot of dumb bullshit (but whatever, that's always been a thing in TM), and its story would stll be trash, but I could just write it off as another one to add to the pile like Apocrypha or Extella.

It's the fact that it's seen as the focus and Nasu shows way more interest in it than writing any proper VNs, or any type of novel whatsoever. And all the people (including people in the company like Takeuchi himself) try to pretend that it's the same as ever, that makes me genuinely hate it. FGO has ruined it last 4 years and I will never forget what a shitfest it brought, just hope the possibility of the Remake next year comes true so I can see some light at the end of the tunnel.

>>22201571
You're just trying to make the Japanese literate people here look bad by associating us with shit taste.

>>22201571
>Like you would know, since you can't even read the source material.
Not that anon, but I and lots of other anons can read the source material. Go see the other threads, we have lots of japanese students here.
>That's a good thing. Too much of anything is bad, and the more limited prose makes us appreciate it more.
Sorry, but no one on academy would agree with you on that. If you really want shounen like features, you shouldn't be involving with Type-Moon older work as they were targeted at an older and literate audience.
>The gameplay is riveting, though. People who say this haven't even played it.
And you seem to have not read pretty much nothing from what Nasu worked as well, as you seem to have issues with long term reading.
I actually play FGO to this day in order to get updated on lore expansions and if you are really going to deny the grind aspect of mobage, you're being outright dishonest here and will start giving reasons to lose respect, even from me. And I do wish to respect your tastes.

>>22201750
>>22201759
Where is this from? For a moment I thought it would be the Mahoyo manuscript but those illustrations were not from Takeuchi and I also think it doesn't have illustrations at all.

>>22201774
I believe it's a fanbook or something this guy made
https://twitter.com/utayomi090909/status/1180831384169934848
https://twitter.com/utayomi090909/status/1180845877721649152

>>22201780
the worst thing about this image is that I'm reminded the fucking bird has more personality than mashu or guda

>>22202071
Kek, and better dialogue too.

>>22201700
Not that anon, but
>as they were targeted at an older and literate audience
Molluscs and educated prostitutes beg to differ.
>the grind aspect of mobage
Which is minimal. I'm sitting on hundreds of mats because I don't feel obliged leveling everyone. You don't have to roll every new Servant to progress in new events or story chapters either.

I seriously don't get why you're so inclined to pretend you guys are better than everyone who plays FGO when Fate isn't even nearly enough pretentious to justify that behaviour.

>>22202615
>Molluscs and educated prostitutes beg to differ.
Nasu writing isn't easy to get into. I'm almost 100% sure you didn't even read it and if you did, you read the English translation which has the prose of a middle schooler.
>Which is minimal.
...and your point is? It's still a grind. This is retarded lmao.
>I seriously don't get why you're so inclined to pretend you guys are better than everyone who plays FGO when Fate isn't even nearly enough pretentious to justify that behaviour.
What is this supposed to even argue? We don't pretend to be. You play a predatory mobile gacha game full of big_titty_waifus png with the shitiest writing and a self-insert protagonist. Have some fucking self-awareness for christ's sake. Fate is not pretentious, and if anything you guys are pretentious as hell by constantly saying FGO is better/superior then the older works, when that's just not true. You ignore every basic writing criticism or gameplay criticism with the classic "you guys are the secondaries, this is the new TM". Fuck off and go back to the shithole that is fgog.

>>22202615
>Which is minimal. I'm sitting on hundreds of mats because I don't feel obliged leveling everyone. You don't have to roll every new Servant to progress in new events or story chapters either.
I didn't said it was bad, I myself find grind enjoyable actually. But mobage are p2w games after all and most content is blocked by RNG that is cash based. Free chars are balanced more than any other mobage? I agree, and it is one of the reasons I really like it. But it is still a predatory genre. This is not defensable in any franchise.

>I seriously don't get why you're so inclined to pretend you guys are better than everyone who plays FGO when Fate isn't even nearly enough pretentious to justify that behaviour.
I don't think that is the case, at least not for me, the pretentious part that is. I won't deny that we see the difference in superficiality from a text focused media and a non-text focused media, but that does not make me superior when compared to someone who prefers another form of entertainment. And I think that is by no means the real issue here.

The issue is the lack of commitment from Nasu and Takeuchi and this is obviously related to FGO and new works. You can have your gacha and etc. but you have to understand our side here, we love to read chuuni text and for years we lack it. Think we're stupid for liking and wishing that? Well, then it might beiYOU who is being pretentious then.

>>22202615
you're sitting on mats because FGO's dev schedule is a fucking joke. games making 1/300th of its money easily provide 4 times the content.

>>22202706
>most content is blocked by RNG that is cash based
What's that even supposed to mean? The only thing actually locked behind rare Servants are maybe challenge quests, even then most are doable with elaborate setups.
>But it is still a predatory genre.
It's a genre that sustains TM and many other companies for that matter.
>we love to read chuuni text and for years we lack it
Yuga Kshetra, Ooku and the like aren't chuuni enough for you? Same for Strange Fake, Case Files, Requiem and the various mangas? You're only starved for content if you're allergic to Fate series as a whole. Not like starving is a good thing but c'est la vie.
>lack of commitment from Nasu and Takeuchi
Do you know the best part? That's the same thing you can read in /fgog/. So maybe it's not the problem with F/GO but with Nasu and Takeuchi? Why you assume that without F/GO they automatically redirect all the resources to Tsuki remake, Mahoyo, DDD etc? I bet if there was no F/GO they just procrastinate for months before coming up with F/GO idea because that's the market.
>>22202782
That's called marketing, maybe not consumer friendly, but clearly effective. There's no unrealistic expectations if nobody expects anything in the first place.

>>22202911
Why did this dumb motherfucker come here just to use the same old "B-But Nasu is lazy it's his fault FGO dindu nuffin" and also unironically defend gachashit's business model because it "supports several companies" (as it that's a good thing for consumers?).
Are you new? Are you not aware that this debate has been had a thousand times? Shove your excuses up your ass.

>>22203022
Are you supposed to be /fgog/ to /tmg/ translator? Because if yes, fuck off retard, since you can't even destroy dumb motherfucker's excuses. I hope we understand each other.

>>22202911
>What's that even supposed to mean?
It means that it is not something you can 100%. There are lot of interludes that are locked because of this. Yeah, yeah, I can watch on youtube. But I believe even you will understand that having to depend on another media is ridiculous.
>It's a genre that sustains TM and many other companies for that matter.
Yup and they are right to do the gacha to not be left out. They are wrong though when they remove resources to that though.
>Yuga Kshetra, Ooku and the like aren't chuuni enough for you? Same for Strange Fake, Case Files, Requiem and the various mangas? You're only starved for content if you're allergic to Fate series as a whole. Not like starving is a good thing but c'est la vie.
I actually like Lostbelt, although Yuga Kshetra was not my favorite, but I have some bias, I would say that Lostbelt will be shit if the Animusphere theory is true, but at least there will be things enjoyable. I expect a lot from Greece and South America Lostbelts though.
SF is nice, and it actually is a good example of something that goes against the spirit of FGO for a lot of reason, so of course I would like it. LNs by itself do not steal time from Nasu like FGO, so I guess this topic can be said as not an issue.
It is not that I am allergic to Fate, but I want some change sometime, I read and watch Fate since I was a child. If FGO was just "Grand Order" and a fresh new work from TM without heavy Fate influence, things would be at least minimally better. Maybe a more Nasuverse oriented with Notes elements and other works mixed. Wouldn't you think it would be more interesting?
>So maybe it's not the problem with F/GO but with Nasu and Takeuchi? Why you assume that without F/GO they automatically redirect all the resources to Tsuki remake, Mahoyo, DDD etc? I bet if there was no F/GO they just procrastinate for months before coming up with F/GO idea because that's the market.
Ok, I don't assume it, you can actually see from interviews that he has barely no time for it and have been overworking to the point of having really serious fatigue issues (like when he said ha had eyebags so bad he needed a cream treatment). He also doesn't stop being an otaku, so he also spends big time on games, and the ones he cited were very long games to a professional worker to be finishing (danganronpa, undertale and other VNs).
All of this added to the fact that he is not a very organized person, and you will see how it affects Mahoyo and Tsukire.
And yes, obviously the problem is with Nasu and Takeuchi, and in this case more Takeuchi than Nasu, as he is responsible for convincing Nasu to make mobage, Nasu actually had prejudices with them.

FGO indeed is not that cause of the problems, I give you that. But it did not helped either. Nasu is a sensible japanese man who wants to attend to you new audiences, he likes that you exist and is very pressured for the call of more Fate and he wil do it if you keep asking for it.
Money can't rebuy time that much and frankly, I don't believe Nasu made a contract with Sony to have the big share, so money wise TM could be only on life support.

>>22201400
flashy images won't save anything

>>22203097
It feels easy to forget how chilling Akiha is.

>>22201609
Hopefully Gudao becomes less bland from charactarization options in the anime. Babylonia is one of the few times in FGO where choices you make aren't just 2 ways to say the same thing, and actually change stuff (defending ishtar's honor vs making fun of her to set the difficulty of the upcoming fight, embracing quetzalcoatl's jolly antics and having a fun time of it vs deadfacing "I don't understand your perspective, fuck you"ing.) They have a real chance to make him not bland and boring, but I think they'll squander it as always and make him as generic and lifeless as possible.

>>22203117
I blame Blendy for this.

>>22203145
c-card bro?

>>22203117
I like to ask myself whether or not she's truly a good person.
I'd like to say yes, but I honestly have no idea.

>>22203154
She is both a Makihisa Child and a Tohno blood. Unless something really special happen and someone help her, she will have a tendency to be villainous.

>>22203097
I just want her and Shiki to be happy, but it's debatable whether or not she cares for him.

>>22203070
>It means that it is not something you can 100%
Okay, that's fair enough. Do you need to 100% it though?
>having to depend on another media is ridiculous
You can read FSN online without ever downloading the VN. Interludes are just text, doesn't really matter where you read them.
>Maybe a more Nasuverse oriented with Notes elements and other works mixed.
It already sort of is with Fou being PM in alternative timeline, Sion cameo, some info on TAs and DAAs with consort Yu appearance and Edmond Dantes CD drama and that theory about ORT being the final boss of LB7
>he likes that you exist and is very pressured for the call of more Fate and he wil do it if you keep asking for it
But I'd also rather have more Nasuverse works, not just Fate. Also, I'd like to remind you they didn't show any progress on Tsukihime remake between the announcement in July 2012 and March 2014's T-M Ace 9. There's no F/GO back then and 2 years should be enough to do a lot of work on a VN when TM as a studio were only involved in F/SN Vita port. Also coincidentally, they did show some progress in July's 2015's T-M 11 (new characters, backgrounds etc), the same volume released a month before F/GO.
Now we're nearing 2020 and we don't know next T-M Ace release date. So we have 3 options. Either Nasu wasn't really interested in remaking Tsuki even in 2012 as there's not much to show for it after 3 years (or 7 if we count from 2012, or 11 if we count from the first remake announcement). Or Nasu decided to completely keep it under wraps to prevent people from calling it bad because of new designs, new characters, new everything before it's even out, so now he waits until it's ready in order for him to properly announce it. Or Nasu just learned from Todd Howard and lies like "we're play testing it, please wait for F/GO collab".
I personally like 2nd the most but with how vilified Nasu usually is, 3rd also doesn't seem as far-fetched as it should be.

Can old TMfags and new TMfags be friends now? Tsukihime remake will surely come out 10x better than before, since it has FGO money to back it up now.

>>22203555
You're a bit early for that. I don't think I'll ever stop disliking FGO even if it stops being relevant.
I'll also call bullshit on any claim that FGO money helped fund anything Tsukihime, when the most impressive stuff to come from TM were all before FGO (such as Mahoyo and Kara no Kyoukai films). They're perfectly capable of high quality things without a billion dollar gacha game. The exception is if they start making good games somehow via studio BB I guess, that's definitely GO-funded.

Either way the answer at the moment is no, come back in a few years when the secondary retardation brought about by FGO has died down, and when Tsukihime Remake (hopefully) reminds people what a shitstain FGO writing is compared to regular Nasu VNs.

>>22203555
>since it has FGO money to back it up now.
Do you actually think this money got invested into anything else but FGO? If this was the case, the Tsuki remake would have come out at least in 2016, at that point they were already rolling in money. That leaves a 3 year gap where NOTHING got released. Fucking bullshit. No we can't be friends. Until TM finally puts F/GO where it belongs, as a spin-off to make money (just like every mobile gacha based off a series, like FE Heroes), and not as a mainline title that adds real lore. We need F/GO to make sure Type-Moon gets revenue and doesn't go bankrupt, but we definitely don't want it to be the single only thing from Type-Moon.
Even from an economy standpoint, this business model is retarded. It basically means "If F/GO fails, Type-Moon fails". This is exactly why Venezuela is so poor today. The previous and current president made the entire economy dependent on oil, so when oil prices fell, the economy crashed. F/GO can't stay relevant forever.

>>22203555
money does jack shit for a team as tiny as TM, and hiring more people only fucks up development.

>>22203719
Well why didn't they voice Mahoyo if not for money reasons? Retardation?

>>22203776
No, you're retarded to think they didn't voice a fucking visual novel because of money.

>>22203776
They didn't voice mahoyo because nasu doesn't want voice acting performance to impact what the viewer might think of a character. autism.

>but why are all these other things voiced then
because other companies got involved and told him to stop being so autistic. Mahoyo was developed and published by only TM so he could do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>22200980
>what do /tmg/ think about the new Camelot PV?
It's barely animated which is an embarrassment for a high-profile movie. It makes the HF movies look like the pinnacle of sakuga. I have no idea what Aniplex's doing. It probably knows that the fgotards will eat any shit.

>>22201609
I used to think that Shiki is a self-insert character. But then I saw Guda. Now I think that Shiki is an extremely developed character.

>>22203883
That's like comparing shit to explosive diarrhea.
I dare you to compare Shiki to Shirou and then call him extremely developed again.

>>22203117
That's not the real Akiha, but Len.
>>22203154
Honestly, did Akiha really do anything wrong?

I fail to see how anyone can be excited for tsukihime remake when nasu wanted to rewrite fucking heavens feel.

fuck, now I actually look forward to the day it comes out just so I can see the massive rape of source material.

>>22203896
Shirou is quite possible the best developed T-M char.
He makes a lot of characters look shit in comparison.

>>22203929
Nasu has always wanted to rewrite past works. This is nothing new. If he wants to do remake Fate/Extra, then he wants to rewrite the script too. I remember a long time ago he said he wanted to rewrite the Fate route as well.
The Tsukihime remake was already going to have stuff rewritten, we know that. The Sacchin route is going to be completely new, and its likely that there are other things going to be changed as well. What we hope for is either an improvement on the script (for me, make the Ciel route better) or a script that is basically the same but only changed slightly because Nasu can do that now and not be tied down to anything.

>>22201539
Interesting point and I agree with most of it. It's not that GO exists but the fact that it stalls everything else and goes against the greater potential of Fate in particular. Off topic but since you mentioned it, do you have any pointers for that pen and paper HGW thing you did? I'm looking at something similar with my friends and PVP alone seems daunting enough.

>>22200643
the game is uttertrash because of the lack of cgs,gameplay and gudako, on the other hand the first episode is pretty great I wonder how many players it will bait thinking that the game is good.

>>22203555
Unless FGO money is going to fund a decade of movies based on each route, it's irrelevant

>>22203924
>did Akiha really do anything wrong?
I suppose it's debatable, depending on who's perspective you're viewing her from.
Kohaku would argue she's guilty of negligence, but I imagine that Shiki would think otherwise.

>>22203405
>Do you need to 100% it though?
Yes.
> Interludes are just text, doesn't really matter where you read them.
It is not a question of where, but rather to "own the reproduction of it". The issues of server based games (or things in general) is that it will disappear eventually and the native experience will die. And I do value native experiences.
>It already sort of is with
That is my point when I said about the animusphere theory. Also, most of what you said does not share the same origin of what can be seen in Tsukihime timelines. But we have 3 Lostbelts so let's wait and see them.
>But I'd also rather have more Nasuverse works, not just Fate.
Well, that would make you like everybody else here then.
>Also, I'd like to remind you they didn't show any progress on Tsukihime remake between the announcement in July 2012 and March 2014's T-M Ace 9. There's no F/GO back then and 2 years should be enough to do a lot of work on a VN when TM as a studio were only involved in F/SN Vita port. Also coincidentally, they did show some progress in July's 2015's T-M 11 (new characters, backgrounds etc), the same volume released a month before F/GO.
Now we're nearing 2020 and we don't know next T-M Ace release date.
I never actually minded the "mere fact of having to wait" because I know how creative writing can be a pain in the ass, because creative block is a thing (and he said he got at least one while wrorking for FGO). The real issue here was the internal message to people like us. We know he takes a lot of time. We just don't if he already quited it or not, and that make people anxious.
>I personally like 2nd the most but with how vilified Nasu usually is, 3rd also doesn't seem as far-fetched as it should be.
He is not that type of a person to be like that, but, Takeuchi can be a very manipulative person and the TM biography showed how Takeuchi always made Nasu dance in his hands. Nasu is a very very agreeable person.

>>22203776
It is stated in the interview that they decided not to to create an artistic effect. It is on Tsukikan, just read it.

I will never understand the whole, "FGO is a net good because it sustains TM" argument. As if TM was a struggling company before FGO. If anything they are excessively rich now, and it isn't even like they do anything noteworthy with that cash. Everything they've been involved in outside of anime in the past 7 years has had garbage production quality.

>>22203958
> Off topic but since you mentioned it, do you have any pointers for that pen and paper HGW thing you did? I'm looking at something similar with my friends and PVP alone seems daunting enough.
https://github.com/migliole/PVPDRPG
This is very theorectical, so if you need any practical orientation, like how to do it with VOIP or any other dhoubts, just send a message there.

>>22204061
It is not much TM itself, but the VN market. Lots of VN studios bankrupted and that is not a good sign.

>>22204061
It's not "net good" if they aren't using that money to fund other, mainline titles. And they aren't. I like to use FE Heroes as an example because Intelligent Systems almost went bankrupt before they released their last game, Awakening, which was a huge success that allowed them to stay. FE Heroes was made to prevent that from happening again, but the thing is they STILL PRODUCE GAMES. Type-Moon doesn't, they invest the revenue back into FGO. That's the biggest issue. FGO would not have the hate it did if it wasn't for that fact.

>>22203996
> Kohaku would argue she's guilty of negligence
I doubt it. Kohaku is even outright surprised by how much Akiha turns a blind eye to Kohaku undermining her.

>>22204085
TM can barely be considered a VN company, though. And aside from TM there haven't really been any successful mobage from other "VN" companies. If anything it's the contrary, most mobage attempts from VN companies have failed. So it isn't sustaining the VN market at all.

>>22204098
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Everything TM puts out is pretty cheaply done. FGO still looks like a trashy flash game and all the assets are low quality.

>>22204112
isn't that because Akiha secretly feels guilty for all that's happened?
it makes me sad as shit thinking about Kohaku's route.

>>22204124
Yes, that's the reason.
Think you meant Hisui's route, because Kohaku's route is one of the happiest ones in the VN

>>22204115
>TM can barely be considered a VN company, though.
They were a Novel and VN company until FGO actually. Even Extra can be found on VN indexes, counting as "VN with RPG elements".

>>22203996
did she knew about SHIKI being trapped ? anyway her position was kinda fucked up even if she knew about it.

Why is Primate Murder a fluffy bunny rabbit in FGO? The whole point of his existence is to act as a defense mechanism of the world against humans. So in a world where the value of humanity is high like FGO, shouldn't he be super powerful? Yet he's a harmless rabbit-dog thing. But in the Tsukihime timeline, which is full of Dead Apostles and the value of humanity is much lower, he's a monster. I just don't buy the idea that Merlin/Mash taught him the meaning of friendship and now he can completely ignore his sole directive as a being.

>>22201539
The issue has always been that F/GO is the main project, it should have always been a non-canon cashcow to fund the actual main projects, while this would reduce the popularity of F/GO, it would still be successful.

>>22203405
>they didn't show any progress on Tsukihime remake between the announcement in July 2012 and March 2014's T-M Ace 9.
Because other projects were being worked on in that time, like the ever so vaunted Fate/RPG project.

>>22203867
Camelot's airing in May 2020, of course there will be barely any footage to show. Animation production has probably just barely begun. Animation staff is quite promising though, the latest trailer revealed Kazuchika Kise and Nakaya Onsen as additional two character designers. Kise's a Production I.G. veteran animator and Onsen is a very talented young animator who's picky with his projects.

>>22203776
https://www.tsukikan.com/misc/the-next-world-of-type-moon.html

>Will there be voice over?

>Takeuchi: Adding voice over for characters will have a huge impact, but will also limit the player's reading speed, and is not really related to novel-style games. The current plan is to create a voiceless game, maybe some will feel something basic is missing, but I don't want to be limited by it, and will decide what to add and what not to add based on if a feature will add a point or deduct a point from the game.

>>22204223
>Why is Primate Murder a fluffy bunny rabbit in FGO?
It is related to how Merlin could prove humanity as good and some other Human Order related stuff that doesn't happen in Tsukihime timelines (like the lack of Altrouge).
>So in a world where the value of humanity is high like FGO, shouldn't he be super powerful?
He is, it is just that he doesn't have a reason to do it, as Gaia is somewhat OK with Alaya in FGO timelines, at least. Excalibur and Rhogomyniad are both efforts from Gaia given to a human (Arthur) to defend the earth from invasors as other examples that would be the other heroes cases.

But the real real reason is that humanity in FGO is almost exterminated and if Gudao/Gudako doesn't do anything, humanity will disappear. So in a sense, his work was already done so there is no need to use energy, and therefore, he stays in a cute dog state because, dunno, kawaii states are economic in moelogic.

>>22204214
>did she knew about SHIKI being trapped ?
She did, she was responsible for him after all.

>>22204223
Strong humanity means weak Gaia, typically.

>>22204284
Rushed trailers are almost always a bad sign. The only thing it showed is that the team has no time to draw the movie properly.
It's not only about the animation. The storyboarding is nothing special, the compositing etc. It looks like an average TV episode, not a movie.
Compare it to HF's first teaser that Ufo released ages ago. A completely different level.
https://youtu.be/3X7JEFF9mvs

>>22204336
Dude, most of the first trailer is CGI and panning background shots. And there are literally two cuts of simple 2D animation.

Back to Camelot, we are over 6 months away from the movie's premier. It's a long way off from airing. The Camelot movies have got really good animation staff on it, better than the Heaven's Feel movies. It's got a mix of veteran and talented youngsters on it.

>>22204085
half of them went bankrupt exactly because of FGO.

it showed that VN companies can ditch the VN industry to do something else and everyone tried to do it. My personal favourite was dies irae mobage, which killed the entire company before it even launched, and the BALDR mobage, which lasted for exactly 6 months before shutting down. the muv luv mobage made it a whole year!

>>22204526
Pretty much. If anything mobage just accelerated the death of the VN industry.

>>22204526
Based Type Moon dabbing on other VN franchises

>>22204560
There is nothing based about the current TM.

>>22204560
that's not a horrible take, anon

>>22204374
>6 months
>a long way off from airing
The movie is mostly finished at this point. The project is clearly rushed because gacha money are more important than quality.

>>22204864
You clearly have no clue how anime production works.

>>22201571
>The gameplay is riveting, though. People who say this haven't even played it.
Didn't Nasu himself say the gameplay was shit?

Playing through Tsukihime for the first time on the arcueid route and holy shit arcueid is fucking insane.

can you imagine what would happen if she was your wife and you decided to go to the bar after work instead of coming straight home one night?

worst fucking girl by far.

>>22205836
she's not really that bad

>>22205836
>holy shit arcueid is fucking insane.

>can you imagine what would happen if she was your wife and you decided to go to the bar after work instead of coming straight home one night?
that's why I love her

Ahem

Fuck FGO

>>22205836
she's 1/2 child and 1/2 old lady.
Arc is the best! Would disect in 17 pieces!

>>22201400
You're like those kids who obsess with graphics in games
It's fine, just realize that a vn is more than the sum of his parts, and that's why they are made

>>22201147
But that's basically the same dynamic that made us pubblic discours so tedious: "instead of doing x, I'll go arround talking shit about (my percived) -x".
Can't we just consume the media we like and shut up about the rest, at least to a point where we are not in perpetual war with each othet?
Type Moon, as any other company, will follow the money, if we want more tsukihime we should find a way to show that fgo is just one of the possible ways to make profit, instead of endlessly bitching.
Don't really like ciel but I play her in melty

>>22206133
I don't like taking about things I enjoy because I don't want them to get popular and end up dragged through the mud by faggots. Fate taught me this.

>>22205836
that CG is from the Ciel rote though. You sure you are not at that?

>>22206146
Than you're partially ruining your enjoyment of that thing with bitterness. When something good inevitably gets too big, moving on is always an option, the world is full of cool fucked up shit

>>22206362
That's my boy.

>>22206362
2000 nasu is my spirit animal

>>22206362
scenes like this serve to repel undesirables from the Tsukihime fanbase and I love it

>>22206362
Based. Tsukihime is a natural gatekeeper. I hope Nasu keeps most of the crazy elements that repels normfags away

>>22206505
Based on what?

>>22204897
Back to you.
It takes roughly 6 months to finish 4 episodes of a TV show.
Movies have much more relaxed schedules(and it's the main reason they typically look better than TV shows).
So yeah, it's mostly finished.

>>22206564
What do you mean based on what

>>22205836
can you imagine what would happen if she was your wife and you decided to go to the bar after work instead of coming straight home one night?
You were supposed to watch her sleep idiot

>>22206133
>Can't we just consume the media we like and shut up about the rest, at least to a point where we are not in perpetual war with each othet?
Consume what? There is no new content on our side and that is because Nasu liked you so much that he stayed on production instead of quiting by the time Okeanos finished.
We're not fucking attacking you, we're defending ourselves.

>>22205924
julius caesar is clapping right now

Anyone has good pics of touko?

>>22206362
Best boy, a true role model

>>22206362
This is an "out-of-context Tsukihime prt scrns" thread now

>>22207784
Every pic of Touko is good Anon. Have this one anyway

>>22206948
>we're defending ourselves.
not really, shitting on things on /jp/ won't solve anything, but an organized effort to show TM that tsuki is a profitable ip would.
Something like buying in mass melty on steam, or making ourself an update (new translation and new art) for the game, hoping for it to get popular and/or noticed

>>22208011
yes I'm sure if all 20 of us bought Melty on Steam TM would jump out of their chairs and start making content for the oldfags again.
don't kid yourself. in merely 1 minute, FGO makes more money than Melty made in its entire lifespan.

I agree with you that it's ultimately fruitless to bitch on /jp/, but people mostly do so as a way to release. sure, it won't do anything, but it's not good to keep it bottled up either.

>>22208011
I don't know what you mean by "making ourself an update". We do translate whatever we have and there are lots of fan arts everyday. Dont know if that is what you mean.
And I do buy whatever I can that is related to other TM works and even additional for friends. I can't control others to do the same, but I can be sure that there are more buyers from nonFGO than FGO.
And frankly, you are very arrogant saying that. We're over a decade of effort and fansupporting. We're not only still here but we are also enduring a lack of stimulation that FGOtards never had to endure. The minimal time space that DW makes or holding in of sevants like shiroumasa or even summer okita and you go apeshit. And they were like, all teased and datamined so there us really no reason for that cause they will come.
Do not come at us with that bullshit, we who supported everything since the first ten years of the century when most FGO tards were learning to read.
Fucking spoiled bastards.

>>22207986
lmfao ryougi is not having it in this image

>>22208108
Those were examples dude, and I was refering to what the comunity did with the pc version of umineko (yes, the situation is different).
If there's nothing that can be done amen, but fooling yourself thinking that being angry at a shitty game is somehow usefull will only make the threads more /a/like, ruining what we have

Will type moon ever reach the heights of heaven's feel again?

>>22208317
and I'm not saying that you are fooling yourself, but whoever thinks that acting as some sort of counter force has any meaning beside self gratification

>>22208317
I, and I think think most people are the same, rant because we're stressed, depressed and in need to know we're not the only ones living this shitty life.
This makes me feel better so I'll keep doing it wherever place I am allowed to, until TM do their real job again.

Have they made all the Types/aristotles into servants or whatever yet?

>>22208694
Nope, none of them.

>>22208359
HF was not TM's peak.

>>22209421
When was the peak?

>>22208359
yeah FGO is pure kinography, best thing Nasu has written so far

>>22209654
Melty

>>22204071
>https://github.com/migliole/PVPDRPG
Good stuff man, cheers. We're mostly looking for play by post since that seems more manageable with the amount of people but I'm really looking forward to sinking my teeth into this.

>>22206133
You have a point, however, if that's the case, there's not much point for this general's existence. The only new TM stuff that /tmg/ still somewhat like are SF and CF and those don't exactly come out regularly, so you're just left with FGO bashing and muh good old days.

>>22210027
I never thought about posts because I prefer instant message for its dynamic, but I think it can help as well. Maybe a half instant messeger half post.
I use discord to make it, because you can create e text channel for each player, by which only the GM and player can access which is very manageble, then all players make moves there and then you say what happen. It also has dice bots, so it is very convenient.
The buillding of the server is kind of a pain, but after that, you will have a perfect place for RPGs forever.
Offtopic, did you know Nasu actually was a GM himself and he even made his own RPG system? It is called Tetsu no Monsho https://www.tsukikan.com/tmdb/tetsu-no-monsho.html
Although not released, its name is registered.

>>22206584
You're comparing a made-up TV schedule to a movie production. I'm not saying Camelot's production schedule is rushed, but there is no way animation production is almost done at this point when they still have over six months left to airing. Even higher profile projects like Weathering With You will finish production within a week or two before screening or as a closer example, the second Heaven's Feel movie was still being made in December when it was slated to release in January.

which entries/moments are underrated?

zero sucks

>>22211886
Urobuchi just hates women, what do you want?

>>22208526
There's no need to be depressed over FGO anon, Dullahan on BL has done it all for you.

>>22206133
>>22206362
i wanna violate and rape ciel's masculine tummy soo fucking bad. aaah! i can't take it anymore. breaking nofap to fantasize about her tonight.

>>22213222
Based anon!
Really funny that Ciel abs would be the thing to break your nofap.

>>22213326
AXIA STOP PLAYING SHITTY MOBAGE AND DRAW MORE SEXUAL CIEL I'M SERIOUSLY AT MY FUCKING LIMIT

>>22213703
>unfuckable
:)

>>22213451
sorry anon.
Axia is too busy with Symphogear and her new waifu.

>>22213880
>Symphogear and her new waifu
Who?

Wanna say Tsubusa.

>>22214018
It's Chris.

https://twitter.com/axia_chan/status/1181584074562928646

Do you think the mobage fad will end
Or are we forever stuck in this loop of exploitative, low-art swill

>>22214200
I think you already know the answer to that, anon.

Brainlet here,is arcueid still capable of 1v1ing any servant/BEAST or the powerlevel got out of control long ago?

>>22215661
Arc can beat the vast majority of Servants with no problem.
Archetype-Earth would be able to go up against a Beast for sure but we're unsure how much she'd struggle, the difference in power between Beasts and Types is still unclear and seems to vary.

It is unfair to compare types when we have little to no development. They could be stronget, they could be weaker, nobody will know.
Oh, and everything will seem stronger on FGO now because they have the advantage of existing.
That anon came from the reddit post about Type vs Indian gods, I am sure of it.

A Type is the authority of a world impersonated and by definition you can't kill it, cause they will just regenerate. You would have to destroy the planet to destroy a Type.

>>22214026
symphogear mobage has better writing than FGO too so it really is a good choice DESU

>>22210243
Ah yeah, I think they even had a show about this but I heard it kind of sucked. It'd be interesting to play, though. I'm reading into the documentation and it's pretty clear about the overall idea but I'm still struggling to find a system that's not too number crunchy. Do you remember what you guys used?

>>22216096
We're still using it actually, as we will have a new RPG this next december (we do every end of year because it is when is most free here).
It is a very rough system though, 'cause I still can't find a sweet spot on how to determine rules.
I would say that our mentality is "keep things as simple as you can" because Fate RPGs do not need heavy calculations to be fun. We usually compare Ranks and add those as dice modifiers as advantage and/or disadvantage depending on the scenario.
An example, a random Berserker that has Strentgh A and Agility D attacks a Caster with Resistance E and Agility C. In numbers we kind of make d6-1 for hit chance. The damage is half calculated/falf interpreted. Traits of the servant also count.
We also have rules for Commands Seals, as one of them is to make a "sure hit" or completely nullify a damage.

I have to document those rules sometime, there's a lot of specific FateRPG we do that are still "traditions" of ours.

>>22216007
Does it have potential to kill FGO?

>>22216305
The answer is always the same.

>>22216305
no It's 130th on sales ranking or something

you can't kill FGO because the only reason it's popular is because it's popular, it's like making a world of warcraft killer mmo.

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/159938

babylonia is actually getting flack from nips for showing just how much of a worthless pussy guda is. most common suggestion seems to be they really should have gone with the female protag, because having a woman stand behind another woman while doing nothing is way less cringe to witness.

>>22203070
>I would say that Lostbelt will be shit if the Animusphere theory is true,
Emiya wanting to kill Olga and knowing about the Animuspheres didn't clue you in? Nasu talked to the mangaka. It's a shame this one got sick and hasn't picked up things back, the style and added inner thought was great.

>>22217636
>yaraon

>>22217717
mortalis stella is the best selling FGO manga after all, hopefully the mangaka will be back soon.

>>22217826
Shimosa edges it but Shimosa is also super good so deserves those sales. I agree. I'm sad the mangaka fell ill.

I'm going to post these. Because they are important.

>>22217869

>>22217873
It's also mentioned in the game by Mashu that the atmosphere of Singularity F resembles the "ancient Earth" (the Ages of Gods).

>>22217866
As far as i remember, Shimousa hasn't bypassed 100k copies (it's 77k iirc) yet unlike Mortalis Stella tho. But yes Shimousa manga deserves it.

>>22217636
The gender really doesn't affect how bland and awful they are, but oh well, good to know they at least feel some embarassment over their garbage anime based on a garbage story.
Won't stop them from buying this shit in droves though, or from continuing to support FGO.

>レイシフト（霊子転移）
>人間を擬似的に霊子変換（データ化）し、異なる時空に転移させる航法。いわばタイムトラベルと平行世界移動の併せ技。転移は「クラインコフィン（霊子筐体）」と呼ばれる棺桶に似た筐体に入った状態で行われる。
>カルデアは当初、48人のマスター候補生たちをレイシフトさせて人理を修復させる計画を立てていた。しかしとある陰謀の結果、47人のマスターたちは行動不能に。現在、レイシフトを行えるマスターは、藤丸のみとなっている。

>いわばタイムトラベルと平行世界移動の併せ技。
heh

>>22216272
Ah yeah, I was mostly looking for something particular because the system on github itself mentions that it's only getting you halfway there and you need to attach an actual combat system from another tabletop RPG. No biggie though, this is already pretty useful apart from some grammar stuff that can get confusing. I'll figure something out, my biggest fear is that the narrative aspect gets kind of swallowed alongside the actual PvP stuff. Character development isn't the easiest thing when 6 out of 7 characters are supposed to just die.

>>22217824
What's yaraon? Is yaraon the Japanese equivalent of plebbit

>>22218140
Do you think they would've gotten along if they'd actually spent time together?

>>22218252
Yeah, I need to fix the grammar probably will rewrite it eventually.
Concerning the narrative and Character Development, that depends on what you want to do exactly.
By definition, PVP is chaotic, more then the PVE RPGs, so you can't really expect things wil l be like you want. However, you can make prempted actions to solve most things, like, giving reasons for you players to do X thing or you could simply reward and penalize depending on how much coherent they are with their allignment. An example, someone is a priest and also executor and is participating the war. You want him to be the force to stop that other player who is a dead apostle. Depending on the actions of either, even if they do something you don't want, you can just give those penalizations based on the face that a lawful good characters is being unlawful and/or evil.
But frankly, this chaotic nature is what makes it fun. Some people can get actually pretty emotional and mad depending on what happens.

>>22218265
Of course. The father wanted to Angra to be born as he believed it was something that was God's will and she... well, she said she would have Angra's babies.
I don't think they would have that many problems.

>>22217717
[Does that indicates that the Alien God is Marisbury? Because the only reason for me to actually hate the Animusphere Theory is because it would be much more cool to have a true Alien God (a Type, a Velber, etc). It Alien God an Priestess happen to be just Marisbury and Olga that will be... very sad to say the least. FGO timeline is a very boring timeline already and not only not using Nasuverse elements more, that would be making masturbation of FGO elements. This would just be Nasu losing a chance to actually make FGO good.]

Does that indicates that the Alien God is Marisbury? Because the only reason for me to actually hate the Animusphere Theory is because it would be much more cool to have a true Alien God (a Type, a Velber, etc). It Alien God an Priestess happen to be just Marisbury and Olga that will be... very sad to say the least. FGO timeline is a very boring timeline already and not only not using Nasuverse elements more, that would be making masturbation of FGO elements. This would just be Nasu losing a chance to actually make FGO good.

>>22217717
Does that indicates that the Alien God is Marisbury? Because the only reason for me to actually hate the Animusphere Theory is because it would be much more cool to have a true Alien God (a Type, a Velber, etc). It Alien God an Priestess happen to be just Marisbury and Olga that will be... very sad to say the least. FGO timeline is a very boring timeline already and not only not using Nasuverse elements more, that would be making masturbation of FGO elements. This would just be Nasu losing a chance to actually make FGO good.

>>22217717
Does that indicates that the Alien God is Marisbury? Because the only reason for me to actually hate the Animusphere Theory is because it would be much more cool to have a true Alien God (a Type, a Velber, etc). If Alien God and Priestess happen to be just Marisbury and Olga that will be... very sad to say the least. FGO timeline is a very boring timeline already and not only being poor of Nasuverse elements, that would be making a masturbation of FGO elements, like they have nothing better to talk about (which is wrong). This would just be Nasu losing a chance to actually make FGO good.

>>22218977
You do know that the name of the main antagonist of FGO Part 2 isn't "Alien God" right..? People just use that name because it's short and meme-ish.

>>22219028
What is the real difference of 異星の神 and Alien God?

>>22219035
異 means different, strange, unusual, foreign, abnormal,...
星 means star
"異星の神" is translated as "God of the Foreign Star"

>>22219076
Yup, he also says to the crypters "I am a being from a another star that will descend upon this star"
What's the issue of calling him Alien? Wasn't that the definition of alien?

>>22218129
What about the rayshift?

>>22219183
Not him, but it's saying it's a mix of time travel and parallel world travel. Which we already knew.

>>22219110
>>22218977
No, it doesn't, but it doesn't mean it's not Marisbury or Marisbury's soul. It doesn't mean it's just Marisbury's soul, it obviously transformed into something else like how Kama became the "universe" after he lost his body, the soul is probably needed as component of the system and that's why Marisbury said he only had a limited time to live. We don't know what Marisbury used to create this.
Why would a TYPE or Velber even fit here? Velber are the shittiest thing Nasu came out with and TYPE has never fit Fate narrative which from the beginning was either "mages tricked by a Beast" (Prototype) and "mages fucked shit up with their ritual" (FSN). How is this "boring"? It's Fate like more than the mistake that was Extella. Being of another star (or planet) isn't necessarily meaning it's an alien of outer place but the meaning of his rebirth would make him of other planets/stars as he's going to create the content outside earth. And Marisbury obviously didn't choose this or his ego is there anymore.

>>22218977
Emiya calls Olga one of the "castaways from the sky" you can translate that also as "fallen from heaven/skies." The shooting star/falling star like magecraft of the Animusphere remind me of:

>How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

Ashiya Douman talks to his boss whom he likes to call "Satan Who Arts as Lucifero" who is a "curse to the world." That's the "God of Another Star" moniker. There's the plot in Revelation which Nasu is familiar with, Satan pretends to be God and gains a false cult of followers. This isn't necessarily Biblical but it's inspired by that.

>>22219792
The boring part was a personal statemant, you can neglect it.
>Being of another star (or planet) isn't necessarily meaning it's an alien of outer place but the meaning of his rebirth would make him of other planets/stars as he's going to create the content outside earth. And Marisbury obviously didn't choose this or his ego is there anymore.
Although I kinda disagree this interpretation is possible with what we have (and if you do saw something nobody is talking about, I'll be happy if you give me access to it), that seems a rather limit use of the Nasuverse, and therefore would be more of a Fate thing than something new.

>>22219817
Weren't we supposed to spoiler tag this?
Satan is also symbolized with the Morning Star, which could be Jupiter or Mercury (or Sirius). That could also be a reference to Type Jupiter, which on Notes did something similar to what the Alien God is doing.
Actually almost everythin in Cosmos in the Lostbelt reminds me of both Notes and Tsuki no Sango and that is why it has potential for being related to Types and other celestial bodies. And that wouldn't be boring.

>>22219894
I think you're too much wanting to expect Notes in a Fate work when Fate has never anything to do about it. How can Types exist when man's common sense control the solar system? The Black Barrel Replica is going to be used for LB5 too.

This "Satan" being is a curse to the world.

>>22219894
Sorry, not jupiter, Venus. The type who did the thing was also Type Venus.

>>22218265
Kirei would be content with Karen's piousness and would respect her like he respected her mother, but he'd still feel absolutely nothing close to love towards her.
Karen is often meme'd to be a female Kotomine, but despite being a bully, she's ultimately still a good person, and she'd be absolutely disgusted by things like: orphans-in-the-basement.

>>22219914
Although I do have such expectation, which is similar to want more Fate elemetns in everything for Fate fans, my argument is not that wrong when you consider what is a Lostbelt.
A Lostbelt is by definition a possible Fate world that had some issue and was prunned. Altough I still not understand very well the quantum time-lock theory very well, I do understand that any Tsukihime world or whatever world that has no Human Order is qualified for prunning.
This added by the fact that FGO is NOT a Fate world and has clear examples of bringing things that are not from Human Order and voilá, you can have anything. The only limit here is the common sense of Nasu, which imo is not on good grounds as the shitfesta that the events are in general are completely more absurd than a single Type. Oh and mind you, Mooncell is a Type and it was very relevant to the main story already.
>The Black Barrel Replica is going to be used for LB5 too.
There's no reason for the replica to exist when you can summon Longinus and/or the church is present. This is not a countering of your point of its effects on the story, I am only saying you don't have to go as far as having that.

>>22219876
>limited use of Nasuverse
How so? Aliens are villains-slash-Servants with the Lovecraft thing which are unable to deal with our final bad guy. It's thematic of Fate franchise since origin that the responsible is a Beast (which is called the greatest threat to the Human Order, and Nasu stated that he wanted to bring the scrapped Beast scenario that existed since his prototype and original of fate) plus a magi ritual or system that went off rails (this is literally FSN plot). FGO combines that. The alien or TYPE stuff can appear (in LB7 for example, or LB5) but never be the final villain, much like Tiamat was not the final villain in part 1.

Marisbury casually copied the soul of the world into his own scale down model, made a record system that is capable to record even what's discarded (this is hugely important, LAPLACE recorded the lostbelts too by that definition!), looked down to the Third Magic as if wasn't interesting and trivialized the Second Magic. If he turns out to be "just an ordinary mage" it's the biggest asspull and unexplained Gary Stu of existence. Like Kiara's case and Manaka's, his specs need to be Beast Candidate to explain all this and make it remotely realistic.

This "god" is creating content for what's outside the planet. Not the planet. The planet has been insolated and what's in the lostbelts are galaxies. To me, he wants to replace the Universe outside Earth with his own using human lost history for this, and that would also lead to his "birth". This "god" doesn't have a body after all. When Goetia said there's nothing more powerful than man's history, you should pay attention, because the foundation of all Fate-and KnK universes is human history.

>>22219953
>A Lostbelt is by definition a possible Fate world that had some issue and was prunned. Altough I still not understand very well the quantum time-lock theory very well, I do understand that any Tsukihime world or whatever world that has no Human Order is qualified for prunning.
My explanation here was shit, I meant "all timelines share a common start and every Tsukihime world or whatever world is a prunned Fate world by definition".

>>22219955
I am not goind to spoler tag cause what I will say is just my conclusion.
If what you said is true, that all early Notes, Tsukihime and Mahoyo fans had what they loved shat on by Nasu and all we have being saying about the issues of FGO to what Nasuverse was about at the start is true.
If that really is true, than there is even no reason to make a remake of Tsukihime.
And frankly, wouldn't have a problem if that's the case, because Nasu himself seems to dislike Tsukihime and whatever he did initially lately.

>>22219953
FGO is a Fate world. BB explained the inciniration mess things out with the human order so it's specifically a world that now can reach all timelines possible (that's possibly why Goetia and this god can probably fuck everyone up).

"Types" just mean "ultimate being of" and nothing much. Mooncell is simply the strongest "being" in the Moon and it's on Kiara as Alter Ego level. Types scale down Beasts because Beasts can become universal threats. It's lucky most of them are fixated on humans.

>>22219997
Nasu likes Tsukihime, he simply doesn't think it should be mixed with Fate stuff often. We'll likely get the remake next year, so don't worry.

>>22220039
>When Goetia said there's nothing more powerful than man's history, you should pay attention, because the foundation of all Fate-and KnK universes is human history.
I didn't said that because I think Tsukihime won't be a thing, that is not the issue here.
The issue is, if what that anon said is true, than Type Moon is condembed to become a story about humanity while the other beings, to which I think are infinitely more interesting than humanity, will be just things to humanity (and in this case , Gudao) to opress and destroy like a typical shounen protagonist do to a villain.
And frankly, when I link the dots from Notes, Tsukihime and Mahoyo and the behavior from Nasu who can't stop but make more Fate stories, I can't help but think that if you liked the Types, the Divine Spirits, the whatever-that-is-not-linked-to-alaya, you're to have a really really bad time.
I sincerely hope I am wrong in this train of thought, I truly do.

>>22220108
ignore the quote I forgot to remove it.

>>22220108
Nasu majored in human science.

>>22219183
>In other words, a combined technique that fuses time travel with parallel worlds travel
Marisbilly too OP. Please nerf.

Why were the Clock Towers absolute retards to dismiss him?

Was Ishtar being summoned in Rin's body a vessel foreshadowing? I'm asking this because an anon in a FGO thread said that "you (Rin) looked just like her (Ishtar)"

>>22220695
It's mentioned in CCC Ishtar resembles Extra Rin, probably that. It was more of a joke, though.

>>22220555
Didn't he keep most of his stuff secret except to Atlas? He also lied about traveling to Singularities wouldn't affect history to pull a "doesn't count" when he deploys his Crypters. It does.

What did you guys think of the F/SN prologue where it started with Shirou for a split second, moved to Rin for a long while then back to Shirou for the remainder of the story?

>>22220762
It's good.

>>22220762
I thought it was stupid. Starting with Shirou ruined the moment because we then have to see the same scene again on Day 3. The VN should have started with Don's perspective from the getgo then swap to Shirou's perspective.

>>22220346
Me too. And I still prefer no humans.

>>22203279
It's not really debatable, if you were paying attention at all.
In that particular scene she's simply upset because you've basically been ignoring her for 5 days straight, and in a typical tsundere fashion she takes it out on Shiki.

>>22218895
Yeah that does sound like a lot of fun. I don't want the servant aspect to get sidelined so I'll probably put some servant bonding system in place that grants specific benefits depending on how well a particular player gets along with one so that they have to engage in a little bit of character development. How did you deal with things like Assassin just one-shotting a master? That sounds like it would be frustrating.

>>22221368
That is what command seals are for, aside from other things. A master that suffer an attack from a servant can use a command seal to make his servant do a miraculous action like Shirou did when facing Medusa, Saber telerported and sis her thing. We could say everybody has 3 lives because of that (and can have more by defeating masters).
This is of course a last resort because stealth attacks are not sure hit.

>>22221099
Why does everyone forget that that scene in particular only happens in Shiki's wet dream?

>>22220005
>FGO is a Fate world.
Actually FGO is a timeline by itself. It does share more elements with Fate more than any other timeline, but it has a lot of things that make them really distinct, like having no HGW wars aside from the one Marisbury won.

>>22220039
>We'll likely get the remake next year, so don't worry.
Sure thing, anon.

>>22221701
No one does, but at the same time Len reproduces their personalities faithfully, save for incrased forwardness needed to make it happen in the first place.
From a meta perspective, this scene serves the purpose of highlighting certain aspects of character of your chosen heroine that might have not been immediately apparent.
For example, Akiha's later lines are quite illuminating.

>Shirou penetrating into Saber's dragon reactor in Realta Nue
Damn, I totally forgot how trippy this sequence is.

>>22221993
> No one does, but at the same time Len reproduces their personalities faithfully
Was it stated anywhere?
Because I don't remember Ciel being nowhere near as assertative as she was in the dream, or Akiha being sadistic (aside from the Kohaku route for obvious reasons).
If anything I got the impression, that either this is how Shiki imagines his heroines would be acting, or Len's pullinga prank on him, while fulfilling her orders (as Arcueid stated she has a tendency to).

>>22222032
>If anything I got the impression, that either this is how Shiki imagines his heroines would be acting
Or how he wants them to act.

>>22222082
despite putting Shirou's jackhammer to shame, Shiki's actually yearning to be bullied by the qts?

>>22222093
Shiki is a very eclectic guy, you see.
I mean, he has more girls at disposal than Shirou so why not amirite

Last Encore had new stuff about Overcount 1999 and do you guys like it?

>>22221749
>Actually FGO is a timeline by itself
Nasu himself counts it as "fate world" when he talks about Sion in FGO, so no. The inciniration and Goetia's interference fuck it up but it was perfectly Fate like before that.
He even says he didn't want to mix Tsukihime with Fate and could only bring Sion as a non crossover character.

>>22222032
More or less by Arc, but that's not what's important.
>Ciel being nowhere near as assertative
That's a given in a wet dream.
>Akiha being sadistic
She can get pretty mean, especially when ignored. Not to mention, she's not even particularly sadistic there, compared to Kohaku's, and the reason for her behaviour is explained directly in that scene.
Thing is, at that point in the story, Shiki has no reason to believe Akiha secretly loves him, or Kohaku is actually quite sadistic.

>>22222476
>Nasu himself counts it as "fate world" when he talks about Sion in FGO, so no.
Ahn he was just saying that Sion and other characters from Tsukihime in Fate timelines would be like that in the interview, that didn't actually specify that FSN and FGO happen at the same timeline.

>The inciniration and Goetia's interference fuck it up but it was perfectly Fate like before that
Before the first and only one war you mean, cause the cause of the problems was what Marisbury did + Solomon presence.
And as far as I know, what happened before that is irrelevant to Fate timelines, cause what makes those an issue is whatever make the Grail Ritual happen. Even Extella is the same until 1970 and they are different timelines. Or are you going to really call it the Ex worlds to be Fate worlds?

Unless you're saying that we have a hypernym called 'Fate world' which is composed of the Hyponyms 'FGO' 'Ex' 'FSN' etc. I don't think thats the best way to describe the current group of stable timelines though.

>He even says he didn't want to mix Tsukihime with Fate and could only bring Sion as a non crossover character.
He can't mix Tsukihime and Fate because they are different timelines, but that is not what he said. What he said is that most characters don't have a reason to go to Chaldea aside from Sion (who is by nature more related to Magic Association).
Arcueid and Ciel aren't even qualified to be possible to appear because their existence is dependent on Crimsom Moon, which we don't even know if his existence is a thing in the current timeline.

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Discuss.

>>22224110
>Mahoyo
>surface level VN
jesus fuck, do these people actually exist?

>>22224110
i agree with him insofar as what Nasu is good/bad at. bad takes on Mahoyo and Tsukihime, though.

>>22224143
>>22224246
I concur with all of this.
If I were to guess that guy is probably a Ufotable babby.

>>22224110
I feel sad for people who need the "art critic academy OK" to like a work.

>>22221004
VN should have started with all servants being summoned, counting down to Shirou's summon.

Change my mind.

>>22225055
Isn't Zero pretty much that?

>>22224110
>Hakuno is also too shallow a character to get invested into
I guess the concept of self-insert eludes him.

>>22225305
Self inserts are never good

>>22225372
Obviously not. It's a literary device, which is as good, or bad, as the story it is used in.
Unless you're saying your imagination is so lacking that you'd be incapable to envision yourself facing any situation from the given work.

what would be EMIYA's ideal class to be summoned as?

>>22225543
He is a jack of all trades, so any class that gives him the capacity of using everything with efficiency is fine.
But if you want to isolate scenarios, like, in which class he would do more damage, I would bet on saber. The guy has his origin as Swords, so the interaction between a saber EMIYA and this class would surelly have something interesting to happen, like the control of his body of swords.

>>22225605
i wonder if being a caster would do anything to benefit UBW

>>22225622
It would to some extent, but I think his magic potential has a limit.
Unless you consider that the Caster is based on a Shirou from a timeline where Kiritsugu gave him the Emiya Crest. Although that could apply to any other class as well.

>>22225650
>tfw no wacky route where shirou has the emiya crest avalon combo

>>22225305
For one, Hakuno is not a self-insert. He had a reason to be the way he was instead of being a self-insert because the author wrote it that way. He was directly tied to the plot.
>>22225435
Don't think I've ever seen a well-written self-insert. Because they aren't really "written".

I would say that selfinserts are experiences, because they are a void for YOU to fill. That means they are by deifnition characters for high interactive non-linear stories. Of course, it ispossible to fit them on kinectic novels, but the freedom of a high interactive and non-linear story better uses this type of character.
And fun fact, no protagonist from TM are like that, aside from FGO which is an exception on the TM repertoire as it is not 100% created by Nasu but reather a colective based project.

>>22225543
It's Archer, because despite everything, sniping is still his strongest suit.

>>22226206
Is it, though?

>>22226292
> proficient in melee, and has a broken personal skill that allows him to survive against Lancer, but ultimately still a B-lister
> has a Reality Marble, that's like Kryptonite to the strongest existing Heroic Spirit, but any other strong Servant that's worth its shit can outlast it
> only misses in archery when he doesn't want to, and has a range of several dozens of kilometers
Yes, I'm inclined to say that sniping is his strongest suit.

>>22225847
>character that you can pick a name for, and make decisions in their capacity is not a self insert because it has a backstory which justifies his self insert status
I don't think that's quite right, anon. He's literally meant to be (you). That's even how the game addresses you, as a player.
>Because they aren't really "written"
That's the point. Because they are a vehicle for the interaction with the story, their effectiveness comes entirely from the quality of the story they are employed in.

>>22226422
but that's in reference to his incarnation as the archer class, obviously that will make him look more like an archer

>>22221528
Thanks man, I really appreciate your input on this. It seems a lot less daunting to try this out now so I'll aim for December too. I know this isn't really in 4chan's spirit but is there any way to contact you in case I have any particular questions? You've been one of the most helpful anons I've met so far. No worries if you don't want to though, I fully understand.

Sad we'll never see Kirei's wife in anything besides official art

>>22226686
Haven't you read that you can leave a question on the github? I am the one who wrote that lol

>>22226803
And it is not like they can't right. With the absurd that FGO does, they coukd haven been using all characters for everything.

>>22226686
But if you want direct contact, like discord, I'll send you something later.

>>22226836
>>22226854
Ah alright perfect then. Thanks again, anon. You're a cool guy.

Is Mahoyo 2 & 3 EVER coming or are fans just fantasizing?

WHEN did Nasu even mention those? Before or after Mahoyos release? I'm asking when since Mahoyo sold poorly and if the sequels got announced before Mahoyos release, after it sold poorly, Nasu might just have canceled those.

>>22227157
>sold poorly
Getting awfully tired of this one.

>>22227157
Search for the mahoyo interview on tsukikan on google (it has the jp source as well).

>>22226582
Even Shirou is "always going to hit, except when he doesn't want to" and Clairvoyance isn't exactly an Archer-exclusive skill.
Saber class is for Servants with high parameters, and Shirou is just all around a shit Magus to be Caster, so I don't see how he would fit into either one of those.

>>22227374
There is not only one Shirou anon. Although I dont like this fact, Nasu could create a timeline where he got Emiya's crest or anything. Or maybe a timeline where he wasn't executed or did a bigger feat.

>>22227398
Isn't the Emiya crest fucking useless for him, as he's simply incompatible with the family's magecraft?

>>22227434
The emiya crest would allow him to continue research on time magic.
Do you really think that does not have potential?

>>22227186
What are its sales??

>>22227736
I don't really see how it would mesh with his own Reality Marble and his Origin.

>>22227186
Last time I saw the reviews of the gamer sites rated it D.

>>22228040
> gamer sites

>>22227843
Because we have yet ot know what actually Time manipulation means in nasuverse yet. Maybe he use something similar to The World and become Dio, dunno.
The important thing is, it would ceartainly be a very different EMIYA.

>>22228040
What?

>>22227121
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>>22227121
To all those who want some help or any consultation with tabletop RPG for Fate scenarios, please add Dom Migliole#9325 on discord.
I shall delete this eventually.

>>22203070
Douman knows part 2's boss real name. He uses the titles Satan and "god of a foreign star" as meme before dropping REDACTED-sama.

He also calls him his beloved companion.

Always see these talks about Mahoyo sales, and yet not A SINGLE TIME have I seen any numbers, any articles from any source site or magazines and especially any comparison to other VNs sales.
Starting to think you are talking ouf of your asses.

>>22231285
And I doubt we will ever see any numbers, as there are no institutions that are focused or have any effort in researching those.
Sites that sell VNs are only based on what they sell and we have tons of them.
I dare say that this market, the VN one, has the worst precision in terms of number sales because of the lack of professionality of most studios and companies.
It is indeed a subject that has no point in debating.

I was hoping not to come here but /alter/ was useless and /v/ insisted it was you despite that clearly being impossible by the post numbers. Do any of you know what board pic related comes from?

>When Azur fucking Lane has better adaption sense than Fate, as the former didn't shove its garbage self insert into the plot when it had no purpose for being there

>>22232619
It's also destroying it in sales.

Finally watched Lost Butterfly and remembered that I do actually enjoy Fate.

>>22233617
I enjoyed Lost Butterfly a ton, maybe because I went in with low expectations but it really impressed me and captured a lot of what I loved about HF.

>>22232405
Have you checked tg?

>>22234884
Shimosa really is some of the worst writing Nasu has ever done.

>>22232405
That is /fgog/.
Back in 2015 it was actually decent.

>>22234917
Shimousa isn't written by Nasu

>>22234917
>>22234978
>fgo tards to dumb to read

>>22234978
huh
I suppose that's why it's boring everybody to death

>>22235020
explain

>>22235021
>>22234917
It's no better or worse of Nasu's boring descriptions of how autistic retard guy punches in Mahoyo.

>>22235020
what

>>22235071
Somebody is mad.

>>22235071
Someone is not from this thread.

>>22235070
>>22235103
Literally what is wrong with the writing here?
If you tell me the prose when it's a fucking translation I'm going to murder both of your families.

>>22235071
Stay mad you still can't read it.

>>22235649
it's fucking boring
it drags on forever and does it in a very pretentious way
don't give fgo undeserved credit

>>22235654
Credit? Are you high or what? I'm not giving credit to anything, I'm saying there is nothing horrible about that text. If you find descriptions boring then your problem is not fgo, it's reading.

>>22235676
there's a difference between a good description, and un-needed exposition.

>>22235695
Why is it un-needed?

>>22235716
what purpose does it serve?
it doesn't add anything useful to the story

Honestly I agree with this guy, the writing is really no worse than the English translations of other TM works. All of the writing for the translations is fucking garbage. Whether or not it is the same in the original language I cannot say.

But while the writing may be shit there's generally a lot more going for Tsukihime and FSN than there is in FGO. So it's kind of elevated a bit.

You're complaining of infodumps or is it my imagination? 'Cause that is what I like on Nasu, he dumps a lot of lore info and explains a lot of things of his universe, which is something that is not found on anime an manga due to physical limitations.
It is like having both an encyclopedia and a story and that is what make Nasu wonderful for me.
Also, one of the reasons I hate FGO is that it has little to no narration, which is the best way of doing it, aside from the different method that makes it shit.

>>22235071

>>22206362
This is so funny and out of nowhere the first time you read it. Then you read the other routes and he starts going crazy and actually raping people and it's no longer funny. It's hilarious

>>22235654
>it drags on forever and does it in a very pretentious way
That's exactly how everything in Tsukihime, Fate and other works are written. How are you even a fan of TM if you don't like pretentious chuunishit that drags on forever?

What do you think will be Aniplex new Fate animation project?

>>22236196
Wait it's confirmed to be an animation project...?
Though since it's Aniplex, i also think it will be a new anime too.

>>22236216
I don't remember, but they wouldn't make an announcement for manga adaptations or novels (these are TM stuff) when Aniplex only does cd dramas and anime adaptations.

How has fucking Fate/stay night not gotten an official English release yet? Not that I'm complaining, but it's just baffling to see all these VNs and eroge getting official English releases: Higurashi, Umineko, Muv Luv, Rance, etc. Fuck, Steam is getting flooded with dime a dozen shitty RPGmaker eroge these days. Yet somehow, the VN that spawned a literal billion dollar franchise is just ignored?

>>22236561
Nasu doesn't want any western audience to know of anything except Extra and FGO

>>22237064
looks like she's finally getting a route; the route home at least.

>>22235730
It doesn't need too.

>>22236561
I have some hypothesis for that:
1 - TM probably is currently translating as we speak, it is just that they have the bad habit of not making announcements that much;
2 - Maybe Nasu wants to release everything in english now but he wants to do it with the Remakes and most probably he wants to Remake FSN at this point and the english version would come only when this happen.
3 - Maybe TM thinks it is not worth the effort because of the dying VN market and thinks anime are sufficient and will just do the Fate route by UBW instead and be done with it.

>>22237163
>TM is translating
Hahahaha. God save us if that's true, hahaha.

>>22236561
Steam VNs are literal garbage, usually cash ins with worse than fan TL quality, plus it's the fact it's on steam which has its own problems like exposure to the wrong kinds of audiences.

Everything that gets touched by western localization turns to putrid shit. No exceptions.

>>22237189
Plenty of good visual novels have perfectly fine official translations.

>>22237199
All my experiences are negative, but they're also 3+ years old since that's when I started getting serious with learning JP, so even if they are getting better now it doesn't matter since I don't read VN in english anymore.

>>22237212
The original language is always to be vastly preferred, yeah.

Well, except in a few circumstances. Like Kamidori's fan translation is better than the original for various reasons, though one could argue the translator went too far.

>>22237189
I would disagree with the "being on steam part" but that actually happened like, recently, so I agree.
The best that could happen was to someone do a platform only for this otaku things. Dunno how this would work though.
>Everything that gets touched by western localization turns to putrid shit.
This is so true in so many ways that it makes me cry.

Episode 2 of Babylonia has aired. Did you watch it?

>>22237567
Gonna do it now.

>>22237567
I haven't played the game since 2015 but I'm enjoying the show (for now) even thought I thought I would hate it

>>22237614
Faggot.

>>22237619
>ask people for their opinion
>get upset when they answer
retard

>>22237633
I'm not the one who asked.

>>22237638
Why are you replying to me then? Schizo.

Watched the OP and... it is incredible how it is different from Fate anime, even Apocrypha and Last Encore.
It gives the vibe of a casual and soft shounen anime. What came to my mind when watching the scenes and hearing the song was Kekkai Sensen.
Also, Primate Murder going to Mashu's hands like a cute thing is so...

Also why the heck they did leonidas in 3dcg here?! I mean, Ok, you want to make it easies doing the background, but, even the focus of the image? Really?

I still love Fou kicking merlin in the face though.
It is like kicking Nasu for all the shit he has done.

Anime is shit, but found a nice meme.

Ok, this coffee drinking memes are indeed very nice.
(I don't even know if that's really cofee)

>>22237775

>>22237818
The faces you find in the background are fun.