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In the gay dark future of post WW3, Hunter X Hunter still isn't finished
>>22191426crop
Is this game a giant meme or what?
Erika best girl
>>22191487Probably gonna focus on the nature of memetics and info control. You know, like the worst possible nature of fiction
>>22191600https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyN5tNYhfSgIs it going to be like this but a VN?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBrPllRrw6cthis is so good
>>22191706More like all me btw:3
based
I’m actually impressed by how gay this is
Contrary to popular belief, there has been zero(0) gay characters in this.
Are any of the data archives worth reading? I don't think I have the patience to get through them all. I thought they'd be short stingers like the Tea Parties, but so far they feel like the complete opposite. Overly long without anything substantial.
I want to fuck the nobility out of this woman.
>>22191426is this actually any good?
>>22191859Corpses cannot have nobility.
>>22191992If you're not already a cult follower of 07th expansion, this seems pretty unlikely to change that. Though as someone who is such a cultist, I liked it enough to spend my every waking hour since its release reading it and I'm eagerly awaiting phase 2 or any crumbs that get dropped along the way. He doesn't really show his cards much in this first part at all IMO. Lots of exposition and context setting with a bit of spectacle sprinkled in between.
>>22191852yes, I remember 15 and 16 especially being relevant
>>22192007For sure, I really loved the pacing and depth of content of this chapter 1 compared to Higurashi and Umineko.Really hoping subsequent chapters deliver on more worldbuilding and the interesting premise he's got going on here.
miyao has a shorter skirt than every single girl in the game
When are Yelador Shavit going to die? I can't stand them anymore.
>>22191992I just finished it a minute ago. I honestly don't know. There's a lot of naive rambling 'if we stick together our optimism won't die' that gets boring after the 10th time it happens and keeps going. There's a good amount of sadism which is good, an obvious stable of Ryukishi. In some parts, Ryukishi outdid himself and his political and philosophical commentaries are a delight to read.I'm really unsure what to think of the ending itself though.I've been reading Ciconia for the past 24 hours nonstop and it was enjoyable, so whatever.
So no Saku lead?
>>22192060No Saku leak just yet
So, theories about the ending?
>>22192106It is going to be shit.
>>22192110I meant, do you have any fucking clue to explain what happened?
>>22192106I'm not really sure of anything yet, but from Toujirou's little speech when the drones went haywire, it seems to me like they're trying to call a player to the game still. So maybe there's only 1 player (whose piece is Jestress, maybe? Or maybe even none).
>>22192106magic and witches
>>22192112I honestly have no idea what is going on.
>>22191487People are dying you know.
>>22192141I liked batshit Miyao more when he didn't have that blue body
>>22192151Same. But I guess the first reveal more than made up for it.
How do I get Fragment 16? Do I have to read all previous Fragments?
>>22192170yes
>>22192179I heard only Fragment 14 and 15 are worth reading. Should I fast-froward the rest to read Fragment 16?
>>22192186that's probably finetip 12 - Sibling's Day is pretty interestingtip 14 is also pretty goodmost of the others are pretty skippable character stuff
this fucking batman music dude
Hot!
>>22192269
the jew idols really are non stop shitposters arent they
>>22191823Me too, but I feel R07 hasn't been distasteful in doing it. It fits the story, and isn't there just so trannies can self insert.
>>22192378It seemed pretty even handed and confined to a few scenes. He hand lots to say about tons of stuff. I'd be real disappointed but not surprised if the trans stuff is all anyone talks about.....
>>22192456Considering how minor it is in Umineko yet it's still one of the main shitposting topics, I wouldn't be surprised. At least a lot of the retards should stay off it for a while since there's no voice acting or modern sprites.
That Christmas Party sequence was good
I finished reading Fragment 16. This is truly a WtC. It's a gameboard but of a different kind. This is humanity at large fighting God, or a representative of God.As per the gameboard, there are clear goals for victory and not-Tomitake gives the conditions throughout the VN: if a single couple survives, it's a victory. If the entire human race dies, it's a loss.Losing 3.5/10 billion is nothing. This war will come down to the entire human race dying. There's still 5.5 billion more to go.I'm not sure if there's a XYZ rule.
>>22192559Do those signs say "Brain DispRay?"
bros how long do the fragments take to read
>>22192106takano sad childhood boo hoo now she hate god and society
That ending almost made me feel something. R07 is falling behind with this one.
>>22192460You'd be surprised how much damage one autist can do.
>>22192706Eh, I didn't care for any of the characters either but this ending elicited more emotion than the endings of the other first episodes. Though this might have something to do with me not being an edgy teenager anymore.
>>22192682I hope they're not all like the first fragment. Was like a mediocre SOL scene that r07 just didnt end up using but didnt want to throw away.
>>22192720Let me know if any of the fragments are actually worth reading. I don't care enough about the characters to read pointless extras.
>>22192723Ryukishi makes you care about characters by swinging a bat into your head repeatedly, just go through with it.
>>22192720Well I enjoy Jayden's faggy date and the guys offering advice more than any part of the game anyway.
>>2219272312-15 are worth reading lore wise.1-2-3 are funny. The rest can be skipped but they're still enjoyable.
>>22192745>>22192723Oh, and Fragment 16 is absolutely worth reading. It contextualizes the entire gameboard and what Ciconia will be about.
>>22192745>>22192750Thank you!
the greatest achievement of the finnish race
He's talking about Takano, right?I guess Takano has really graduated from being a piece.
This kills the Fins
How'd he do boys? WW2 trivia and Christian villain should be added here too.
So what are the chances of Miyao not having a dick?
>>22192765He is talking about not-lambdadelta (aka the Jester).Takano works together with nigger-berkanstel.
>>22192807He will have a penis and I will bully it.
WHERE'S THE MEGA LINK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>22192819It's on nyaa
>>22192807I would have said "very likely" before the glasses started calling him "a son" repeatedly. He says 息子 even in japanese.
>>22192811I thought about that too, but it felt too obvious for a Ryuukishi ploy with the Jestress.We all know that graduating from the game board means becoming the witch/sorcerer equivalent, Takano is apparently in a higher state than even the three kings and just doing what she wants there in the underground.I don't even think that Jestress is really lambda too, she feels like a red herring.
>>22192825It's okay. Meow can just use a avatar with a vagina model in VR so she can fuck Jayden.
I managed to read the entire thing and I didn't clock not-Takano's name is Vier Dreizig - Four Thirty, and I was looking for shit like thisNo way am I solving anythingStan is suspect though, and not only because of the fucked up ł>>22192807If he's the boy from the intro he has oneIf he's the blue automaton then we've seen their crotchesOtherwise without love it cannot be seen
>>22192832That would be more gay than just fucking her boyhole.
>>22192830I thought the Jestress was actually Takano under a mask, didn't know she was a different character. They talk the same and have the same colour palette. But not once did I ever think she was Lambdawg, didn't even pop into my mind when she took off the mask. I don't see it.
>>22192765>graduate from lifeThat's what I've been trying to do for 26 years but I ain't got the courage.
>>22192847Do it faggot
Why finland and sweden are the vilians?Is ryukishi trying to say something?
>>22192787My evaluation isn't complete and I need to think on it more.
i would just like to remind everybody
>>22192853I'm still not sure were the plot is going regarding the VR stuff, are we doing a board inside a board?
>>22192854My eyes are up here, you animal.
>>22192860I bet Chloe does that on purpose because she isn't confident enough for people to look her in the eye.
>>22192854Pathetic human! How can she live with herself?
What's the consensus on Ciconia bros, is it the next Umineko we've all been waiting for?
>>22192865Wait till you get a taste of Chloevil.
>>22192853So far there's nothing meta, so no Meta-Fiction Heavy PlotMagical realism would be the 8MS does whatever I want it to and I dont have to explain shit.Unreliable Narrator? Where did you get any of that?You forgot to circle "Anyone can die and probably will""loads and loads of characters" "mythology gag" because the sheshtet or however her name is spelled
>>22192872Umineko was inferior to Higurashi so expecting it to be another Umineko would already give it a disservice.
>>22192872It's Higurashi + RGD with Umineko levels of craziness.
>>22192872So far having finished episode 1, it's pretty mediocre. It can go either way.
>all those PS3fags not immediately spotting the Lambda expy because they never saw her original spriteWhy did they make her hair so damn yellow in the PS3 version? It fucks up her intended similarity to Takano and this Illuminati bitch.
>>22192872Heartless scheming by multiple competent parties.If you ignore the gay part, it's pretty good, a recommended read overall.Too soon to say if it will be able to top Umineko though.
>>22192872It's my favorite ep1 of the lot, it'll be interesting to see if he can nail the premise in future chapters though.
>>22192883She looks more like a teenage Miyoko wearing Lambda's hat. And she keeps talking about grandpas and shit.
>>22192854Canada's pride and joy beyond poutine.>>22192858No. The board is the literal world. The Meta is the VR and a person's inner-consciousness itself. 8MS is basically nanomachine magic so fuck if I know where it's going with that. Wisdom is also magic. Anything can be magic because of science, and I guess that qualifies enough for magic realism.>>22192874Oops, lemme fix that.I consider the VRs meta but meh.I'm expecting the entire human race to die except like 10 people.
>>22192883>because they never saw her original spriteI mean the hat kinda gave it away, at least for me.
>>22192883This. Her hair was supposed to be white-ish yellow, not Satoko yellow. Like Takano! Why did they change it?
Explain yourself, leafs.
>>22192886i prefer the name loli-takano
>>22192872I don't know if it's the next Umineko but it proves to me that Ryukishi still has it. I would say that it has the lowest lows of any of his first episodes (including RGD) but he really upped the worldbuilding, sadism and philosophy.I see where Ryukishi is going with Ciconia and it's going to be an insane ride. He's going to kill the entire fucking human race.
>>22192895>not PoutineRyukishi didn't do his research
Hatred for g*ds spanning time and space.
>>22192898>He's going to kill the entire fucking human race.Jokes on you. *resets the game*
>>22192883Same reason Bern is flat and George is a bishonen that looks nothing like Tomitake. Deen wanted the Higurashi anime audience and changed things around to make the characters more "appealing". And those changes remained in the console versions because they are made to sell and tie in to the anime. Same with the awful creepy Maria CGs that have no place in the story and they added them in anyway.It's obvious that Ryuukishi doesn't give a shit about the console versions and will always base the expies on his original designs. That's why he let them butcher Higurashi by removing entire scenes from the last few arcs, and why he didn't care about them censoring Yasu's ancestry and Battler drinking alcohol. They are products made to sell this shit to the masses, the only thing going for them is the voice acting. He only cares for his original doujin VNs, as he should.
What they are trying to achieve with Pandora?Why they have to butcher the other girls?
>>22192912What even is Pandora?
>>22192915the women ruin everything box
>>22192915Hope box
>>22192910George being bishonen works because he's meant to look like Mikiya Kokutou from Kara no Kyoukai. They share the same voice actor and you can tell obvious connections with Shiki. And, you know, Ryukishi being a big fan of nasu.
IF THE ILLUMINATI ARE MEETING THROUGH VRDOES THAT MEAN ILLUMILAMBDA IS ACTUALLY JUST TAKANO PROJECTING A FAKE IMAGE OF HERSELF?
>>22192915I don't know "what" it actually is, but it is Koshka
>>22192918>>22192919Thanks Erika, I meant in Ciconia.
why does no one disable clippy
>>22192910I don't like how they made Maria more expressive. Not even talking about her CGs, which are fucking garbage. I mean the main sprites. She was originally autism incarnate, but they made her look like a cute expressive loli and it changes your perception of the character dramatically even if the text remains the same.
>>22192926The Illuminati probably created it.
>>22192921Don't think so. Takano works with nig-bernkastel, and nig-bern asks the glasses about the jester. Wouldn't make sense if they were one person.
>>22192921No, because in the preview for the next episode you see Lambda with a gauntlet chasing someone
how does this father a twink
>>22192936Why is Tomitake both muscular and fat at the same time?
>tfw WW4 will destroy the world and it's all a butterfly effect from some dude dropping a coin in that phone booth near the orphanage of hell in a parallel universeThis fucking series.
>>22192938Drawing is hard.
>>22192938In one of the Matsuribayashi fragments he said he hurt his eye somehow and now is only allowed to do desk work. But he keeps himself fit because he's a military man. He's a goofy dude.
>>22192941I'm going to lose it if this is actually the alternate world created by Bernkastel at the end of Higurashi where she save Miyo's parents from tragedy.
>>22192938beer
fouthreesome when
>>22192945We already saw that world in Saikoroshi, why would it come back? I guess Miyoko's fate in that world was never explained, but I doubt she'd grow up to get involved in military shit, let alone survive 100 years into the future.
Have I been tricked into reading BL, again?
>>22192966Anon two gays having gay sex would be less gay than what we got.
Wait, so was Miyao born with this mental defect or did his brain get fucked up from some trauma?Or maybe everyone secretly has a fucking alter and they get all get traumatized as children because it's necessary to develop parallel processing or whatever the fuck. Is that why Asuka's personality has apparently "changed" and now meows like a cringy chuuni 14 year old?
How long is phase 1? And will this be a typical set up a la higurashi/umineko? 4 question arcs and 4 answer?
Did Maya got molested at the party or did she die during the pandora operation before that?Or both?
>>22192979Did Maya die the most humiliating death of any wtc character!?
Reading back on some details, I was right. The Three Kings are not the main villains, they're merely larger rooks in the gameboard.Notice that, just like George in Umineko and Irie, when Not-Tomitake's glasses blurs, he's being truthful. It's easier for humanity to accept that the Illuminati is out to destroy humanity to reduce their number out of some dumb ideology rather than God wanting to kill everyone out to win a gameboard.
>>22192974>Asuka's personality has apparently "changed" and now meows like a cringy chuuni 14 year old?Finland is just pretending to be retarded.
>>22192974apparently going through the training process fucks up your brain and is actually sought for since two personalities/brains are better at operating shit
I really hope there is no stupid anon who came here after finishing the game, but before reading the fragments.
>>22192982>just like George in Umineko and Irie, when Not-Tomitake's glasses blurs, he's being truthfulNot necessarily. Every single time light reflects off George's glasses, he's saying something passive-aggressive. And when it happens to Irie, he's taking things seriously. It's not necessarily them being "truthful".I wonder what this guy's glasses are really telling us. Maybe it means he's straight up lying.
Jayden and Miyao will be the last 2 humans left alive
>>22192976It's around 20 hours.
>>22192976Not sure, but it was around 14-15 hours for me.
>>22192993Not always, George is always honest while being passive-aggressive, he's not always passive aggressive. Hell, I made that funny meme image years back showing his passive aggressiveness. He doesn't do it all the time, but it's very obvious that when he is passive-aggresive, his glasses fog up. I do agree with you that Irie is being serious but that's a mild different. The point remains the same: not-Tomitake is being truthful/honest when his glasses fog up.
>>22192981If she actually got molested and then decided to participate in the experiment, it's fucking brutal.
>>22193018hot
>>22192986Fuck. So is Meow the one controlling the missiles and shit while Miyao flies around?I have a friend with DID (not MPD) and from what I've seen it's quite easy for him to be co-conscious with one of his alters. Or just disappear entirely into the subconscious and let two of them take control or quietly observe things. But they almost never have three out at the same time because it strains the brain a lot and causes headaches.Maybe the theory is right. They need kid's brains to develop in a certain way in order to split and then undergo extensive "training" to learn how to become co-conscious, which can be pretty difficult depending on the nature of the split. All so they can have good parallel processing and control the gauntlets properly.
why are guns tits so long
>>22192976Finished it in 12 hours. They said it would be 4 phases. It doesn't seem it will be the same structure as the other works.
>>22193032I got excited at the thought too. And i feel like a piece of shit.
>>22193042Because it looks cool.
>>22193053Chloe's tits are nice to look at. Gun's are just protruding.
>>22193044I mean, even Higurashi and Umineko weren't the same in that regard. Higurashi had a super short arc 4 and basically needed arc 9 to finish Rika's character arc. I wouldn't consider the story finished with just Matsuribayashi.Umineko has extra arcs too, but they are mostly side stories with little relevance.
It's insanely obvious. The only difference is that the Three Kings only want to reduce the number rather than bring it to zero.
>>22193061She needed to compensate for having no ass. But that can be hot as well.
>>22193074Eh? What is insanely obvious?It's not vague, they straight up telling you.
>>22193086I mean, in the context of the actual gameboard itself. I dunno, I've seen people wonder what is the goal.
>>22192895theres something wrong with canadians dude
>>22193074So which countries are these kings from?I hope these satanist illuminatis abduct Chloe, Gunhild and Asuka. And they get Alcasser'd for three days and three nights while not-Lambda films the whole thing before dumping their bodies in the middle of the road to Okinomiya.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm going to want a uuuhhh
>>22193101The narration says that they wear gloves so you can't tell their skin color or race. And one of them talks about his granddaughter.So one of them is Rethabile's grandpa or maybe Takano's.
>>22193101...and then they get pandor'ed.
you know the last time i wanted to titfuck a new wtc character they ended up being the murderer with a stuffed bramaybe my dick knows something
>>22193118>>22193101You think they are actual kings, like kings of the countries, not meta kings?
Ciconia is a gameboard about the extinction of the human race: how much can you remove that which promotes human survival. It's Ryukishi throwing literally everything he can think of to kill humanity. You got World War 4, loss of all nanomachines that keep every system operational, no clean air, the loss of all marine life and oceans which provides 2/3 of all oxygen, worldwide famine, nuclear winter, and eventually everyone having their IQ brought down to double digits. Those aren't good odds.I'm all optimistic about the human spirit and all that, but is that even possible to win in such conditions?
I can't believe Ryukishi made a game based entirely around the human condition.
>>22192945>>22192964It could be. Is there any mention of a huge dam near the Gifu stadium where the festival is taking place?
>>22193077the rest of her frame is actually nice though
>>22193139Chloe said that humans can't live without clothes. Pathetic bitch!
>>22193077>no assThen how does she poop? Does she just inject sugar directly into her blood so she doesn't have to eat?
kanon and george are the culprits in all the games(including bern's game)erika=kanon=yasukanon is a cute tomboy and battler love pussy SHKANONTRICE 1BIT GOATS CANT DENY THIS!!!
>>22193151nice joke, smartass
>>22193151gun is actually part of the illuminati and has evolved past such needs
>>22193142There was no "real" reference to Higurashi in Umineko. I mean, there were TONS of references, but no mention of the village itself existing in Ange's universe or anything. So I don't expect them to directly reference Umineko or Higurashi here beyond meta characters and name drops.RGD was full of Higurashi references, though. Including one of the characters literally being born there. Speaking of that, is it already confirmed or denied whether Ciconia takes place in the RGD universe?
>>22193161God I hope not. She might as well be a robot in that case. Lewdness requires shame and the patheticness of the human condition.
>>22193168There's a reference to Rosa bringing Maria to visit Hinamizawa. I think that's the only direct reference to the village.
>>22193182What the hell, where? In Tsubasa or Hane maybe?
>>22193185It might be in the manga, so trust that with a grain of salt.
Discussion is pretty slow. But i guess only the nerds finished the game so soon.
>>22193168Nina and Meryl were nice throwbacks to Higurashi, it was interesting to see past alternate history versions of "random Hinamizawa housewife" and "Miyoko's dead aunt" but I expected to see an alternate version of young Kinzo somewhere in the story.Tomitake and not-Okonogi were references too, but those were obviously in your face.
>>22193197faggot the last thread reached like 1050 replies
>>22193206And half of that was shitposting what got deleted by the jannies.
>>22193197I'm rereading Ciconia to get all the foreshadowing moments.
>>22193209If so much shit got deleted then it would have gotten 1300 replies.
>>22193185One of the Tsubasa/Hane tips had the revelation that Rosa's boyfriend is Akihito from Higurashi. It could be the same playboy in two separate worlds, but it could also mean he dumped Rena's slut mother after a few years of marriage. Fuck that bitch.
>>22193212>that one part near the beginning where Miyao talks about how he used to be scared of heightsI don't know if it's foreshadowing for anything, but it sure looks suspicious.
>>22193202Wang is basically Kinzo except not a pussy.
my fondness for this girl has increased substantially from how she acted in her demo debut
>>22193242Except Kinzo won at life.
>extended scene where cis white male is lectured at length about trans rights
>>22193242Do you mean george?
>>22193247I just noticed she looks like Yukari from Higanbana. Cute!
>>22193197Not really much to discuss if I'm being honest. Everything that happens only happens in like a passing mention. 80% of the vn is talking about the walls of peace10% of the vn is characters saying "Oh no X happened" followed by more walls of peace.The last 10% is stuff actually happening only its in the background and characters are talking in selcom like nothing is actually happening.
witch hunt uncensored where
>>22193303You're missing the philosophy talks.
>>22193197you wanna talk about foreshadowing anon?
>>22193331Ryukishi is going to be ruthless, isn't he?
>>22193331woops >>22193212
>>22193331Dunno, I'm still at the beginning, trying to piece together everything, taking as many screenshots that might be of importance.Got any ideas on who the four betrayers might be? I've yet to find any good evidence on who it might be. My money is on the Stan and Chloe, but I can't guess anyone else.
>>22193348I was too focused trying to make any scenario lewd to shitpost with.
Meow is being blackmailed or paid off to be a betrayer and she's hiding this from Miyao.
It's rather interesting to pinpoint every time not-Tomitake's glasses fog and in which context.
How come Ooishi never got married? Is he redpilled?
>>22193376Married to the job. You know how cops are.
>>22193376Why does Okonogi go around shitposting all day? These are things we will never know anon.
Maria's got an ass. She's so cute, and yet... and yet...!
>>22193348>who the four betrayers might be?Stop, let me get this straight. Sweden and finland are not traitors, right? They just work with the military.
So, I haven't finished yet, but the 4 people infiltrated are probably Gunhild, Naima, Ishak and Andry (I guess?), right?
>>22193376Rena is LITERALLY (as opposed to figuratively) redpilled. That's why she's into the two lolis, K1 and kind of Mion too.
>>22193367If you're going to go back capturing moments like this make sure to get Miyao's mini orgasm with his sprite that only appeared for half a second.
Is Naima married to a 40 year old muslim with 10 other wives?
>>22193388Go and read the vn first, you fucking idiot. What are you doing here?
So what can Selcom do for porn?
>>22193404Apparently not too much.They specifically mention that you can get wet and they feel the warmth of the water.But later one two characters shake hands, but it specifically says that their models dont really touch and they clip through each other.
>>22193404you ever see those anime vr lapdancing webms?
Can't play it for now, for the people who have finished, how does it stack up compared to Ryu's other works? Do you like it?
>>22193387Gun is a brat that managed to crawl out of hell. While her hatred for what happened with Maya makes her an obvious choice for treachery, being obvious disqualifies her. She only hates what happened and it doesn't make her nihilistic or else she wouldn't even care for her sister. Without love it cannot be seen. With Ciconia, Ryukishi is taking a page out of Shakespeare that if you do not love, you are nihilistic.Lija is a criminal as shown by one of the Fragments (I think it was fragment 14?) yet she choose life regardless of the risk and survived. That disqualifies her from betrayal. Same with Koshka. >>22193390Rena is nihilistic, so in your terms, she would be blackpilled rather than redpilled.>>22193395When does that happen again?
>>22193409Arent't that just limitation of kizuna user hosted room?Perfect VR is possible. The explicitly said that military sims are very detailed.
Didn't they mention that selcom can only be used effectively if you have a high P3 level?Does that mean it literally takes your consciousness away into a VR similar to the internal world of someone with DID so you need an alter to keep functioning IRL?
>>22193419Rena literally got forcefed red pills at the mental hospital when she was 13.
>>22193421Hm not sure.Earlier on it acted like the kizuna rooms were just as realistic, like with the water and heat. Only later to decide that it might as well be VRChat.R07 please explain the things that actually need clarification instead of other explaining pointless things 10 times over.
>>22193417>"it's shit" says man who will continue playing itI don't think anyone will argue that it has the weakest atmosphere of any of his other games. What actually happens in it and whether it's enjoyable depends on you. I enjoyed Higurashi the most and I liked the date and these fragments a lot.
I think this scene references the dream sequence alt-Miyao shows Miyao. After everyone is killed, 'something' will harvest everyone in an endless grinder.I wonder who 'they' are. Surely they're the enemy that want to eat humanity. I bet they're aliens.
So when can we expect the next part? If I remember correctly, Umineko and Higurashi had an episode written every 6 months. But Ryuukishi is apparently planning out the story from the beginning this time (he used to change things around to make it harder or easier depending on the theories he saw online). So maybe it will come out a bit faster?
>>22193432I argue that it has the lowest lows. The worldbuilding is great but fuck me every time Miyao had to talk about his dumb naive idealism. Having every other character have pity and console him was just annoying, especially when they kept doing it like 6 times.
>>22193424It uses the user brain for computation. If your brain cannot multitask, it cannot provide enough resources to make it work properly.>>22193428During the christmas party miyao hosted the room for 1000 people in his brain. They just didn't have enough processing power to simulate everything properly.
>>22193439Everything is planned from years ago according to interviews I've from 2013 to 2019. I'm sure Ryukishi will give out a statement as to when the next installment will come out within the week or so. Hopefully.
>>22193443Ah, that's right. Forgot about the server being loaded and struggling.
>>22193440If you played Umineko again you will find the same kind of repetitive circular dialogue that you ignored for one reason or another.
>>22193434https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon_(Gnosticism)They are archons. They feed on human suffering and trick people into going towards "the light" when they die by shapeshifting into their dead relatives and pretending to be them. That keeps humans trapped in a cicle of endless reincarnation, unable to ascend to higher dimensions and keep their knowledge.DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT. IT'S A TRAP.
>>22193452I've reread Umineko two times, last time wasn't more than a year ago. And not once did it feel as repetivive as this. Phase 1 was a chore to read.
>>22193443How did Ryu come up with this stuff?
>>22193463Isn't it explained with 8MS being in the brain or something? The magical explanation for everything?
So you can't have orgies in it but what if it's just with three or four people.
The emphasis on 'knowing before someone else' really makes me think that the Witch's power is that of Omniscience. And it ties to probably the actual goal of the gameboard: can you change the sight of someone that sees everything at once, all the time, past, present, and future?>>22193452The pep talk everyone kept giving Miyao was annoying. I liked everything else but goddamn was that repetitive crap. It felt like patting filler. >>22193455Fuck. And they rule planets which also fits with them being aliens.
>>22193471I'll be in a room alone with Chloe and I'll devote all my processing power to her lewd parts.I'll tease her at first by having the "feeling" setting low, and I'll gradually increase it. Then--I'll suddenly max it out. She'll lose her mind.
the possibilities are endless
>>22193471>you can't have orgiesYou can, you just need a dedicated server.
>>22193490chloe's into boys love for wanting this btw
>>22193501>implyingChloe is into Otokonogi. She's too pure to be with anyone else.
>>22193168>whether Ciconia takes place in the RGD universe?God I hope not. It sure looks like it, but it would mean Japanese animation as we know it never existed.
What are 'political cards' but retained awareness of past, present, and future events that act as power because people are not aware of them? They're merely a placeholder for the power of omniscience. This also ties with the fact that the Three Kings already plan out the future and the media only reports on it later.
>>22193512Like 4 of these fragments talk about Chloe's masturbation habits as the joke.
>>22193524Masturbation is pure. It's sexual self-sufficiency.
>>22193519You are strong rereading this right away and not waiting like a month or two.
>>22193533I am going line by line. There's also a lot of focus on 'predicting the future'. I'm unsure whether to call the opponent of Ciconia the Witch of Omniscience or the Witch of Foresight. Could you win at chess against an opponent that knows all your future moves?
>>22193544If you make a move that forces them to make a move you want, then perhaps? Only, how many times can you do that?
>>22193526Is it self-sufficiency when you're using someone else's avatar to aid you?
>>22193544>>22193549Witch of Foreknowledge.
Still midway through reading Ciconia, but I feel so rushed when I see these threads filling up as I take my time.
>>22193569If it weren't for these threads, I probably wouldnt have read it all. Felt like a chore to read through.
>>22193577I know that feel. Especially the gay parts. I wanted to drop it so hard.I have enjoyed the latter parts though.
Who else got peer-pressured to read ciconia?
>>22193549Could you even corner a person that sees it coming? What if they plan against that? The question isn't how many times can you do that but even if it's possible to do it even once.If you know chess, the answer is rather simple and summarize Phase 1. In chess there are three general phases: The Opening, the Mid Game and the Endgame. As not-Tomitake says, long time players know that openings are a ceremony, but they're more of a formality. Grandmasters for example play the first 10-20 moves within a single minute, because they know the lines. The mid-game is more challenging and it's where all the planning happens. But what I want to put focus is the Endgame itself. In chess, this involves very few pieces but, interesting, what makes the Endgame so fascinating is that every single movement has to be calculated in every possible variation. Imagine if you only have 4 pieces left. You have to calculate how every single action is the best possible move that leads to checkmate. Many of the most famous Endgame chess matches involve a foresight of a single well-calculated move that could not have been predicted yet wins the game by its sheer accuracy.The point I want to make is that not-Tomitake and Seshat are rather lax in Phase 1. Hell, 3.5 billion died and they barely bat an eye. This is because they're waiting for the mid-game and then the endgame to make their move. When there will only be a few million people left on earth (or maybe even less), that's when foresight will be the hardest to implement.>>22193562Oh, I like that. I'll be using that from now on.
>>22193587It's the opposite for me. The latter parts are what felt like a drag to get through.
>>22193577Yeah, a lot of the political talk seems to drag on and get very repetitive.>>22193587I didn't really mind the gay stuff. If anything, I enjoyed getting to see more character interactions, something this phase has been dearly lacking. Half the time it's just group meetings and war talk, with little actual development of the individual characters.
>>22193594>>22193608I guess I just personally enjoy the scheming more.
>>22193608In Umineko it only took about half an Episode before I knew everyone's name and a bit about them. But here even after spending an hour reading through all the bios on the pause menu, I still only know like half the characters several hours of gameplay later.
TELL ME ABOUT PANDORAWHAT DID KOSHKA DO IN THE END OF THE GAME?
>>22193620Are you bad with geography, anon?
>>22193620>not calling the characters by their country.
>>22193620I can excuse this because he's introducing all the characters at once and we'll gradually know them more with later episodes. Not having much of this episode devoted to character development doesn't help though.
Ah fuck, I just realized, this element of foreknowledge is also thematically tied with Ciconia itself since all children have their ability analyzed from birth.
>>22193634This has been my major complaint so far. I don't mind shonen fights or even gay/trans stuff, but Ryukishi's best stuff has always been his characters, so it's a real shame to not have much focus on them.
>>22193642We'll probably get more by Phase 2, hopefully. RGD also started with mediocre characterization, with some characters barely getting anything.
I wonder how fast time passes in selcom/vr. Does it pass at the same rate as real life? Or is it faster? The date scene portrayed it as being faster since they'd have conversations in selcom between each sentence they spoke in real life, but I dont know how much of that is just typicl anime writing.
I am 5-6 hours in and I think I hate this, with Higurashi/Seacats I could at least tell this is build up to when shit hits the fan.So far this is hilariously gay (no seriously, the fuck Ryu07?) and characters are a mess, aside Glasses who is kinda cool.
>>22193661Did you cross the streamer notice yet? There are a lot less gayshit after it. It's almost non-existent.
>>22193669The real reason the stream notice exists is because everything after it manages to be even less interesting.
>>22193671I disagree. It's the opposite for me.
>>22193674Yeah the concensus so far seems to be either disliking the first half, or disliking the second half. Overall mediocre experience.
I actually liked the gay stuff more than the later stuff. At least it was fun.
>>22193669Yeah, recently.I like the meta players but the actual pieces are just bad to me, the MC is so bad it blows my mind, I remember complaining about Battler but he is 100000000000 times more appealing now. Also I might be crazy but I think Ryu's art got WORSE than better.
>>22193689>Also I might be crazy but I think Ryu's art got WORSE than better.Next you'll say that the Higurashi art was better than the Ciconia art.
>>22193689The expressions felt lacking at times in comparison to Umineko's sprites, but overall I found it much better. Outside of r07's art, those animate cg segments were a huge turn off.
It really does, doesn't it?
>NO ZTS SOUNDTRACKThis automatically makes Ciconia shit.
Also I want to add that I think this an interesting premise and gameboard, but DBZ gay teenagers are not exactly the most interesting vehicle for story.
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ZTS sold his soul to produce the masterpiece that is umineko soundtrack.His other works are straight up trash.
>>22193721Don't die, don't kill.
>>22193716Take solace in the fact that we have foreknowledge that the gays will fight to the death and all die.
>>22193736But the biggest gays will survive till the end of the game 100%.And even the chinkwaifu got killed first.
guys i solve umineko and now i solve ciconiaCICONIA IS A GAME BETWEEN 3 FACTIONS:STONE AGE :they want destroy civilizationmembers:3 kings and 4 traitorswitch:unknowSTATUS QUO:want stop 4th world warmemebrs:all knightswitch:berkastelEVOLUTION:want make civilization reachs god's levelmember:LATO and the translatorswitch:lamdabelta
>>22193750You think translators are not together with the nig-bernkastel? Then why does she know the wisdom artifact names (the numbers)?
>>22193764bernig or nigkastel
>>22193764she know the the wisdom artifactbut not how decipher it.bern can win if she decipher the numbersThird missing link3^3Muh i can see the light
>>22193689Really? I only played the demo, but, just from the fight with Jayden, Miyao felt like a more interesting character than Battler and Keiichi.
Why are there fucking emotes in text? Why is this so gay? Has Ryu07 come out as gay or something?
>>22193781What about artifact that starts with "1994"?There is more evidence that nigkastel is connected with translators than not-lamda right now.
>>22193750In b4 stone age witch is both battler and beatrice basically doing this just too shit up bern and lambda's board.
>>22193806Meta Battler crashing the gameboard would be kinda awesome, for all the shit those little whores gave him.
>>22193790>Has Ryu07 come out as gay or somethingWasn't that already obvious like years ago?
>>22193798nigcastle is a spyshe infiltrated the translators and the 3 kings.the 3 kings want ww4 for destroy the worldthe translators want ww4 for made civilization eveolve>>22193798bern want stop ww4>1994send full number
>>22192842It's her hat. She has the same hat as Lambda's.
A love that shizo ramblings and his broken english. It reminds me of pic related.
>>22192932>preview for the next episodewhere is that?
>>22193897Have you tried playing the fucking game?
>Stanisław out of the blueŻe kurwa co proszę?
>>22193705
Saku when?
>>22193921Speak english, you *kero*kero*.
>>22192361Art imitates life.
>>22193930Saku will be about Meta Battler infiltrating Ciconia gameboard.
>>22193845george love big tits like his motherso he cant fall in love with yasubut can made a deal with him for kill everyone!!!!i know the true19080630=2*3^3*5-17*41573^3=2727 the same years of IT!!!
>Ciconia in a nutshell
Who do you think was the person psycho-Miyao declared that Miyao would feel compelled to kill once shown their image? I'm betting it's his mom/pseudo-Lambda.
>>22193455Based /x/hizo anon!
Nooooo *kero*kero*kero* don't shooot poyooooo!!!
Who here rooting for the Kings?
Why do so many people think that Phase 2 will be a direct sequel, continuing the current gameboard/events where they off? Won't the gameboard just be reset with every installment like every other WTC? Was there an interview or something that I missed where the structure will be different?I assume Phase 1 is Miyao trying to get everyone to play nice, resulting in the Bath Oath which fails spectacularly in the end. I'm guessing in Phase 2 the AOU will end up allying with one of the factions, and the gameboard will feature a 2v2 scenario.
>>22193984>he has never seen her>she hides her face>she explicitly said that he was born to be her pieceMakes sense.
>>22194015But the first game is ongoing though. And the prophecy still didn't come true. He is yet to kill Koshka.
>>22193766Berniggas
Few hours in and I must commend how much accurate Finland’s autism is.
>>22194053Run, motherfucker. This is the last warning. Finland is just pretending to be retarded.
Favorite single scenes? Obvious spoilers.It wasn't until midnight on the doomsday clock when that crazed Takanohell researcher starts the earthquakes and then fucking kills himself that I truly became hooked. That character's attitude and overall bevhaior reminded me a lot of Kinzo, even though Mario seems to be relatively insignificant as he wasn't given the dignity of having a sprite or anything.
I bet someone is going to be an actually different person in real life compared to who they are in the VR room, or that one of the spies is one of the knights alternate personality
We are yet to see the multiplepersonality shenanigans.Every second knight should have one. So far only miyao has came out.
>>22194164the only one thats mentioned as having it is the cairo squad yuri one
WITCH HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNT
>>22193902not yet
>>22194228It was a rhetorical question. The preview was after the credits.
i cant endure anymorewhen this game endi am at machine killing partpls tell me soon!!!
>>22194240Do you remember the doomsday clock (pic related)?The game ends at 00:05.
>>22194204'very many' is an extremely common phrasing though? witch hunt have some bad moments but i cant see this as one of them
>>22193871I hope it’s not a red herring and she’s actually lambda.
>>22194290The is no way she is the actual lambda from umineko.I think she is the character what was created from the same archetype. Rika -> Bernkastel -> Bernigga (Seshat).Satoko -> Lamdadelta -> The Jester.
So is "muh Walls of Peace" going to be the meme for Ciconia shitposters the same way "muh shitty adults" was/is the meme for Persona 5 shitposters?
KILL JESTER
>>22194328Well, I don’t mean literally. I’m just hoping she’s lambda’s piece instead of just an archetype. Obviously there’s some weird shit going on considering the jestress and viers exist simultaneously, assuming they’re different characters of course.
I love this kebab.
>>22194341but Jester is our friend
>>22194351I want her to bully me
>>22193818Honestly my thought from that is mostly cause 7 pieces for the stone age side, the seven deadly sins, which were pieces beato owned, so I thought maybe thone two are in the background screwing around.
>>22193689No way, dude. Miyao's idealism is a shitload better than Battler's WITCHES DON'T EXIIIIIIST especially right out the gate. It especially helps when a lot of the people supporting him don't actually mean it and he has the back in forth with his inner Bernkastel making him doubt things. It's not anything like Battler running into a brick wall over and over while we had to wait to get to the god tier scenes with him in the later episodes. The only part of Miyao that I think is unnecessary is fucking Meow, not because I had a phobia against gays like /v/ does, but because she literally got more focus in the first 20% of the story before chapter 7 than Miyao himself did. I have no doubt that Miyao will get even better as the games proceed, but I feel like as is, Meow was a mistake and should've been tied to another character and kept away from the MC.
>>22194425>should've been tied to another character and kept away from the MCI don't think that would have been possible. The main "plottwist" will revolve around Meow almost certainly.
>Only just now noticed warcats emblem is a black cat holding a reaper scytheHoly shit I am dumb
>>22194436That's kind of why I'm saying "as is", because I'm obviously not going to rule out that Meow will be actually significant later on. But Meow could always not. Meow could sacrifice herself or something and have that be the end of it.
>>22194425Nah, battler’s adamant skepticism is a lot more entertaining than miyao’s naive idealism. Battle being smug to the servants in episode 1 because he thought their superstitions were just fairy tales instantly hooked me on him. Don’t get me wrong I like Miyao, but I like him for his general personality and demeanor. His ideals are just grating and are really only there to get stomped on by the reality of the world. He’s a 1bit. Thinking that love and friendship can solve everything shows a critical lack of understanding for how nuanced the world is. He is just a kid though so I can’t blame him too much. If he really wanted to cause change with his power he’d follow krushna’s example and just go kill politicians and warlords. Not a permanent fix by any means but it’s better than killing his friends for nothing.
>>22194464I think she will be one of the main antagonists or at least a collaborator.
>>22194328Wait so this Bernigga is Seshat? I am still in the beginning can you tell me about why is she related to Bern at all without too much spoilers?I can't believe my theory about Bern was correct because of Featherine.
I just got to Meow part and this is unbelievably gay.
>>22194475While Seshat description from the egyptian myths sounds just like Featherine, the character itself is more like Bernkastel.But not much is known honestly. We are just speculating.
The interactions between the three kings and the Jestress reminds me of how Featherine doesn't mind being shit-talked. I wonder if they're friends of Auau
>>22194485Always thought as Featherine as Seshat related specially because of the title as a confirmation it wouldn't be too dumb of a theory. The other thing is the priests of Seshat dressing like leopards like being their cat mikos.
This is so boring so far. It completely lacks of everything i like about r07
>>22194526Which part are you talking about? What do you like exactly?The first part is feels-before-reals gay propaganda.The second part is scheming and setting-up the stage for the battle of wits.
>>22194537>gay propagandalmao imagine actually thinking this
>>22194537I like gay stuff though. I'm after the type-moon battle, they are giving way speeches.
>>22194537>feels-before-realsYour beliefs probably aren't as grounded as you think they are. ALL value judgements are feels-before-reals.
>>22194544I got the ryukishi argument, "gender doesn't matter as long as you love the person", and i even agree with it, but the way he conveys it feels like, i don't know, like he is trying to justify himself or something. Not really sure what comes first there, "I'm gay, but it's okay because i really love the person" or "i really love the person and it doesn't matter if he is the same gender".And don't really think that he is just exploring the problem itself, it feels more like he is forcing his opinion on you.
>>22194526At least like last 20% of it is somewhat reminiscent of wtc... If you survive through trannieshit and friendship magic rants, it will eventually become okay.
>>22191823I don't think there's been anything gay in this game actually.Miyao/Meow is either a girl or a literal murderbot3000
>>22194585>justify himselfHe's married with a kid The only person being justified in that scene is Jayden, and he's also being admonished for not taking Miyao's own feelings into account. It's kind of the exact opposite of what happened with Yasu.
>>22194601>He's married with a kidYou can marry and have a kid while being gay/bisexual. Not an argument.
how long is phase 1? i cant for shit justify 40 bucks for something ill read in 2 days
>>2219461015 hours on average.
>>22194468I only liked Battler as a foil to Beatrice and Erika. I honestly think he should have been explored more across all games. First four games he's all muh family. Last four he's all muh Beato's heart. And I'm fine with that cause it fits the story to some degree. But he's not one of the highlights of it.
>>22194613yeah ok hell the fuck notorrents when
>>22194061Does anyone know what track plays in this scene?
I downloaded the game from Nyaa and for some reason it starts with Japanese language and it's all fucked up, it errors and crashes after a few text lines like this and not even the cinematics seem to be working for me.How do I fix it?
>>22194652BUY GAME, WAITO PIGU
The way things have been going so far, if there's anyone that is going to end up riding Miyao's shota dick, it'll most likely be Lingje.Hopefully he gets an opportunity like that and it's not just completely overshadowed by Jayden and Meow.
>>22194652Try looking for the menu and there is something there saying to change to Engrish.>>22194668>t. masuda
>>22194676I don't think Miyao's into necrophilia, but who knows, maybe he's hiding his fetishes.
>>22194678I can't even get to the menu, pressing esc just throws a bunch of nip lines at me and then it crashes.
>>22194676>if there's anyone that is going to end up riding Miyao's shota dick, it'll most likely be Lingje.I dunno, I feel like Miyao's creepy dad is currently the top contender for that
>>22194680Eh, she'll probably be alive again midway through the next game. Rose Guns did this too, where Season 1 didn't actually end until 1/4 of the way through Season 2.
>>22194485>>22194494Can you in spoilers tell me what do you know until now about Seshat? I don't care about the spoilers I just don't want to speed read the VN I'm kinda hyped for this character.>>22194681Not that anon but can you try look for this:>Ciconia.When.They.Cry.Phase.1.For.You.The.Replaceable.Ones-TiNYiSO
>>22194721Do you have a link to that?I'm only finding viruses and shit websites.
>>22194759Well if he had a virus for me it had to come from the installation but looks like a regular skidrow type of installation no other problems. If you are having problems with the virus kind of pop up you have to keep trying to reach the torrent link until it actually gives you the magnet link. Websites telling you to give out any kind of information its all virus stuff. I am not sure if I am permitted to just post the magnet myself.
Nice virus release bro.>>22194809I'm pretty sure you can but unless it's another one, the tinyiso one just errors.
>>22194875Don't get it from your image why are you not using a proper directory?
This turned out to be even more scifi than I expected, and I thought it was handled quite well. Can't wait to find out what the blue people shit is all about
>>22194875Select a drive you doofus.
I would kindly ask you to not spoonfeed the retard.
>>22194888Trips of infinity is lawAlso call anon 1 bit instead.
Would you cast away your flesh for immortal life in VR paradise?
>>22194913If the VR was so detailed that you couldn't tell the difference then it really wouldn't even matter. The real and the fake are the same at that point.
>>22194930the point was that there will be no scarcity or animal urges that give rise to conflict in VR, thus there will be no war
>>22194888>asking after they're done spoonfeeding himtoo late
>Lingqi has no background flag>Naomi has these weird arrowsare those hints or quality 07th programming
19080630 = Tunguska Event18721205 = Mary Celeste discovered abandoned19940305 = ?Also sounds like they want to put the Pandora 1000 years into the future through the door? Not sure how all the factions are connected yet>>22194997I noticed the arrows as well, thought it would clickable on the post game character screen but oh well
>>22194997the ACR I think also has the arrowsAlso the file version of the Ciconia exe is from 2016
All the gay shit was annoying but the end picked up the pace.I wonder why Lingji got the golden gauntlet though.
Wait, so did Saku already come out too?
>>22195060Yeah, no TL yet though
>This Order of the Public Bath shit I'm smiling like an idiot right now because I know this is going to end so horribly
>>22195068Dammit. I was hoping to buy a copy regardless. It just slipped my mind what with scrambling to read Ciconia. Now it looks like it's already sold out.
>>22195007LATO doesAlso just noticed the absolute QUALITY transparency on the portraits, some have it (Stan, Lilja, Ishak, Miyao kinda), most don't, and part of Aysha's head is missing lul
>>22195003Damn. Nice job with finding out the events. This is way bigger in scale. Reminds me of a Pynchon novel.
>>221950035th March 1994 - Singer Grace Slick arrested for pointing a gun at a cop
>>22195164A wonder worth translating.
>>22195003Translators have the box.Government has the pandora (koshka). But she is still not complete for some reason.And in the end they have to come together to perform the ritual to save the world?
Did anyone else think there was a lot of similarities to The Four Horsemen and The Seven Trumpets? Fits with the God theme going on.>>22195003I want to know what the third set of numbers is too. I spent a while looking into it when it popped up, and it's weird for it to suddenly break the pattern of dates, but it seems like it has to be something other than a date unless it's something original that Ryukishi came up with.
>>22195192I mean I guess you could say that by sending her through the box they could basically skip the end of humanity and still have someone alive on the planet. On the other hand it didn't seem like the Translators (besides 34 to some extent) could give fucks about anything, so why would they help them?
>>22195206Yeah, since it seems that the "timeline split" was in the B2W era, I'm assuming it might just be something new.
>'As long as one man and woman are left at the end humanity wins'>Only Miyao and Jayden survive
>>22195223>B2WI meant A2W/B3W of course
>>22195214But why the glasses wants her dead? Is she the ultimate weapon that will humanity?The Evil Miyao said that Miyao will kill chinkwaifu and koshka with his own hands. And chinkwaifu is dead.
>>22195224Plot twist>Only Miyao and Meow survive
>>22195238"Onii-chan, we have to repopulate the earth.... using only our own body"
What did she mean by this
>>22195252You are so perverted, anon.
>>22195224Meow never did confirm what's under that skirt, did she?
>>22195273The glassed called him "son" (息子 in japanese version) multiple times.
>>22195232No idea how much Toujirou even knows about that Miyao program stuff. Though at least it looks like Koshka could have that role considering how much security is hidden around her.About the other thing though, that opens another can of worms, since it's more like Toujirou, who controlled Miyao, and probably someone else, who had control to Lingjis gauntlet, killed her. Why they would do that I have no idea.
>>22195097Rethabile has the classic missing pixels if you hover your mouse over her. Brought back some fond memories of the Umineko character screen.
I hope you're all looking forward to Ronove, Bern and Willard with a ponytail to appear next episode
>>22195384the middle lookalike but the hair is a bit different than Bern if you ask me
This is depressing
>>22195232>But why the glasses wants her dead?Not necessary. Koshka went rogue in the end of the game.Miyao might be ordered to kill her by the government.
So you think we'll get some loops again or are they gonna roll with the already fucked up world till the end?
>>22195423After playing the game that was rigged from the start on nightmare difficulty for years, Maya got molested by fat ugly old men and died in the hopeless experiment.
>>22192807I'd say it's certain.Meow said she doesn't want to reveal it for Miyao's sake because she, herself doesn't mind saying it and doesn't have a problem about it.So either Miyao is pure murderbot3000 and doesn't have genitalia or is a girl, otherwise he wouldn't have a problem with telling people he's a dude.I affirm this with certainty.
Finally finished it and I'm really not sure how I feel about Phase 1.It definitely seems more like the kind of story you just follow than anything you actively try to solve yourself so far, kinda like Higurashi was. Not a big fan of that if I'm honest. With all the challenges R07 put out and those 4 moles they the Jestress teases early on I definitely expected a different game, something more akin to Umineko where you have certain pieces in certain events and need to try to make sense of it all and find the real masterminds. It absolutely love the world he's building and most of the psychoanalysis segments are pretty interesting to think about, but what actually happens in Phase 1 is really really boring and almost exclusively setup. Then the second things finally start for real the credits roll. It's just extremely unsatisfying, Higurashi and Umineko both gave you a hell of a lot more plot to work with in their first Episodes.
>>22195519Umineko first episode was a snooze fest too.
>>22192807I'd say it's pretty likely he has a vagina, simply because everything in the game is supposed to make you think he almost definitely has a cock.We know biological genders will be extremely important since a girl and a boy surviving is the win condition, keeping Miyao's gender, and most of the cast's really, a secret makes predicting whether he survives, and who with him, a lot harder.
chloe's massive fucking tits
>>22192904Ah, I see, this is going to be a demonbane situation, isn't it?We're going to keep getting resets until it works on the way whoever's resetting wants it to work.
>>22195546they probably became massive from masturbating her hairy pussy so much
I'm already bored, the politic shit just isn't interesting. I want a proper mystery and the cast trying to solve it.They were introducing a bunch of stuff that piqued my interest like shadow Miyao, the 1000 year fast forward time shutter thing, kings, the kings secret pawns, etc.All the character scenes boil down to Jayden being a faggot, LGBT commentary, talking about MUH WORLD PEACE.The only interesting interactions were at the beginning when Miyao fought Jayden, at the world piss event where everyone was being introduced, Kashka brain surgery, Miyao talking to his dad, Miyao talking to shadow Miyao, gunhild talking about her past life with her siblings.Right now its back to POLITICS, MUH BATH TUB WORLD PEACE DISCUSSIONS, MORE POLITICS, EPIC BATTLES!!!why did I pay $40 for this
>>22195620>I want a proper mystery and the cast trying to solve it.This literally only ever happened in umineko and it was a red herring he dropped 4 episodes in.
>>22195643>expecting Uminekokeks to not be running their mouths about Ciconia not being a mystery like crazy in the coming weeks Literally the Persona 4 fags of this fanbase. The only difference being that Umineko itself is actually good.
So is the Revelation of St Ioannis the same as The Book of Revelation?
ciconia is a lot like darling in the franxx. was ryukishi inspired by it?
>The Revelation of Jesus Christ is communicated to John of Patmos through prophetic visions. (1:1–9)Evil Miyao?>The Throne of God appears, surrounded by twenty four thrones with Twenty-four elders seated in them. (4:1–5)24 Gauntlet Knights>There occurs a great earthquake where "the sun becomes black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon like blood" (6:12).>Seven Trumpets shit
>>22195762Ioannis is just Greek John if I remember right, and Revelation was from John of Patmos. So yes that should be right
Also Miyao is definitely a testtube baby as well, right?You can hear what sounds like pumps and lab equipment in that post-credit scene where his mother talks.
Ryukishi would have done better if he just put these fragments in the story and shave off a few speeches everybody kept giving Miyao.
>>22194328>Satoko -> Lamdadelta -> The Jester.Wrong. Satako is unrelated to Lambda. In Umineko, Lambda is merely 'acting' like Satoko to get close to Bernkastel.
>>22193750That's a correct observation but the only problem is that chess has two sides rather than three.
>>22194164Gunhild has one, during the scene at the monster cafe she changes her personality completely while talking to the owner and a lot of what they say during that conversation points to her having one. Also at the end of the conversation this happens.
>>22193694Higanbana is peak Ryukishi art.
>>22195826His mother might just be a maddo scientist talking to him in a lab. Miyao said he has no mother in on e of the fragments though
>>22195857It's his best style, I'll agree on that.
>>22193544Witch of Destiny
Literally what the fuck did he mean by this? I thought it was weird how Meow kind of stopped having a role after dominating 3 scenes in a row
Any theories on this? I'd be lying if I didn't immediately think of Umineko with the dawn colored light and Lambda/Bern when she mentioned "those two", but I feel like that wouldn't really make sense
I got to streaming block on Jewtube, so far this is horrible, the gay date segment was horrible, felt like tumblr writing.Should I priate the rest (no way I am buying this for $40, Ryu can fuck off)?
>>22195917Why wouldn't it make any sense? They keep talking about bringing back missing players
>>22195931We already have Vier Dressig (Four Thirty in English, ie Lambda Delta). Unless that's just a different iteration of her or something dumb?
>>22195917When does that take place again?
>>22195905he just acts like he has multiple personalities because he doesnt want to admit that he is a huge faggot
>>2219593934 doesn't mean Lambda Delta herself directly, it usually refers to characters who are either her pieces(Miyano) or have her patronage(Sayo). Vier is probably just one of her pieces.
>>22195899Fate is also mentioned a few times and this scene in particular hints at something more.Witch of Foreknowledge or Witch of Fate are probably my choices so far.
>>22195917Seshat seems like she'd be the closest to a witch right now.She obviously has absurd powers, the keropoyo installed in Miyao's head (possibly everyone else's as well) seem to report back to her, and the design fits.Wouldn't surprise me if she was all buddybuddy with Lambda/Bern and wanted them to have some fun in this world after they were kicked out by someone else.
>>22195964Seshat isn't a witch, she's a God. By that I don't mean an actual God but the same sort of God as Hanyuu. She's also an alien.
>>22195971Confirming my theory that this whole thing is pretty much based on that one old meme where the world is ruled by an increasingly silly secret group controlling the next one down until reaching either jews or a lovecraftian monstrosity
>>22195927You're in the pleb filter, most of the good stuff is after that
>>22195964Oh, also, Shrine Gods also get their power in proportion to their influence and conspiracy influence. Hanyuu had Hinamizawa whiched allowed Rika to jump kakeras. Beatrice had the Rokkenjima massacre where mystery fans tried to solve it.By view is that Seshat created the frog device which allows her to be everyone in reality rather than confined to a single catbox. The fact that the character tip says it's 'unsure if her unique appearance and appearance are real or just part of her avatar' suggests that it's both. Just as Hanyuu could only be seen by Rika, Seshat can probably be seen by any that has the frog software (which is basically the entire world).I think I'm very close to cracking the code of Ciconia.
>>22195762>>22195798>>22195803Actually, that's pretty interesting.Seshat says there are 26 books that are canon in (what I assume is) their New Testament. But in our world, there are 27. And yes, St. Ioannis is the Greek version of John. So that's probably what they are holding.
>>22195964>>22195981>>22195964Oh, also, Shrine Gods also get their power in proportion to their influence and conspiracy influence. Hanyuu had Hinamizawa whiched allowed Rika to jump kakeras. Beatrice had the Rokkenjima massacre where mystery fans tried to solve it. My view is that Seshat created the frog VR software (or had someone under her influence create it) which allows her to be seen by everyone in reality rather than confined to a single catbox. The fact that the character tip says it's 'unsure if her unique appearance and appearance are real or just part of her avatar' suggests that it's both. Just as Hanyuu could only be seen by Rika, Seshat can probably be seen by any that has the frog software (which is basically the entire world).I think I'm very close to cracking the code of Ciconia.
>>22193395I *think* this is the same sprite
So, the three kings are just a bunch of goofs who don't know shit right?The real war is between Tomikate, Sheshat and Takano. I don't know if I'll think of the jestress as Lambda for now, she feels too much like a red herring.Honestly, i'll bet the traitor from the three kings on WarCat was Gunhild but she got fucked by a second traitor or Tomikate himself dealing with the scum.
Alright, so the path Miyao is going down now is going to lead to everybody getting sent to the processing factory in the future. The processed Miyao in that future VR reality is somehow sent back in time as a program to stop that from happening by erasing the present Miyao?
just solidified Chloe's position as the first character i got off to
>>22196079>The real war is between Tomikate, Sheshat and Takano.Tomitake and Seshat are ''''supposedly'''' on the side of humanity, thereby they cannot be enemies. Though, in one scene, Seshat tells Tomitake not to betray her because it's clear that he still has feelings for Vieg. >I don't know if I'll think of the jestress as Lambda for now, she feels too much like a red herring.It's just a representative piece. Just like how Gannet and Lija are likely pieces of Bernkastel.
The twist is going to be that there are no witches.
>>22196037Seshat being the Mistress of the House of Books which is the knowledge of the mankind in the internet cloud just like egyptians? The frog dont tell me its Ogdoad shenaningans.
>>22196081The processing factor is likely the 'festival' that the alien Gods want to put all of humanity so that they can feast on everyone's flesh forever. It's metaphorical that humanity is being guided to their collective annihilation. >>22196107>Seshat being the Mistress of the House of Books which is the knowledge of the mankind in the internet cloud just like egyptians?Yes. Exactly that. It's the battle between knowledge and foreknowledge. Seshat could represent the internet as a whole or just all of knowledge in whatever form it exists. If humanity dies, so does its knowledge.
>>22196098>Tomitake and Seshat are ''''supposedly'''' on the side of humanity, thereby they cannot be enemies. Everyone is on the side of humanity except maybe Takano, just on their own way. However, Tomikate implies that Takano has ascended past a piece, so she has probably managed to become a witch. >>22192765
>>22193750I don't think all knights belong in the same faction bud.
>>22194164Don't forget Chloevil
>>22194164We see a lot of it from Ruhkshana though it seems to be more fluid in her case.
>>22196117>The processing factor is likely the 'festival' that the alien Gods want to put all of humanity so that they can feast on everyone's flesh forever. It's metaphorical that humanity is being guided to their collective annihilation.Yes, but it also overlaps with the 'oh boy don't you all just wish we lived in VR' talk the GKs have at Christmas, and seems to be something either Miyao or the 3 Kings existence bring.
>>22196128at least shes open
>>22192765>>22196117But isn't her horns also strong connection to remind us of Featherine? Maybe has a meaning not directly related to the Witch. Also why does she look like fit and cool type easygoing whatever, to contrast with her being the opposite as a god?
>>22196141>hornsThose are ears.
>>22196141I thought they were ears
Alright, whoever has this princess piece, please contact me on selcom, I'll trade my finest chess pieces for her.
>>22195273It's probably a vagina or nothing.
>>22196148>>22196145>The Seshat emblem is a hieroglyph representing the goddess Seshat in Ancient Egypt. As the emblem symbolizes this deity, it sits atop her head. The emblem was a long stem with a 7-petal flower on top and surmounted by a pair of horns; the archaic form had 7-petals (the vertical shaft as 8), (as a vertical, with two crossed lines-(4), as a 'star', and one horizontal-(2), giving 7+ the 1-vertical shaft), and surmounted by two enclosing sickle-shaped signs, two falcon-feathers on top.
"Certainty" is dropped so often that it might as well be a red herring.I still believe in 34 though.
>>22195384Well, phase 1 is for the replaceables, it's normal for Ryu07 to introduce more characters in the next parts, I thought the same when I saw those portraits, maybe bern isn't really in and Seshat is just Featherine.I wonder if K1 will ever return one day.
>>22196165Say it in red if you are so sure.
So does phase 1 refer to the lunar phase you see on the clock?There's 8 of them
I'll give credit to ryu07, the whole Idea that classes are made to farm winners are something that never went through my head, that's an amazing viewpoint.
>>22196194ryukishi dropping hot viewpoints left and right
>>22196194>taking this trannyshit even the least bit seriouslyEveryone knew that he was never the reason why Umineko was good for the first half, but this piece of shit game just proves it. 10 hours of nothing but political horseshit and gay propaganda with literally no pacing for $40.
Mario gave me Kinzo vibes
>>22196194I really liked the segment about the collective subconciousness naturally designating a few people to go against the majority as a fail-safe. Was pretty interesting to think about.
>>22196209On the subject of resemblances, not-Tomitake honestly reminded me most of the final boss chinaman in RGD, at least in terms of mannerism.
How much more can Ryukishi make Gun suspicious. This is like Takano levels.
They translated it like this on purpose, right?
>>22196232Like half of the dialogue is straight up shitposting, so yes, probably.
I just finished it, I was very disappointed by the soundtrack.Guess it's my fault considering I was expecting something on the same level as seacats and higurashi.
I can't believe that a Canadian did something.
>>22195798Also mentions a third of mankind dying, darkening a third of sun moon and stars etc.
>>22196271At least Apocalypsis is great
Is there anything interesting in the data fragments?I am glad Lingji is dead.
>>22196307Everything after and including sibling day seemed pretty important, and after you read them all you unlock a final one
>>22196307fuck you
>>22196307Memes.Lots and lots of memes.
>Satan is bound in the Abyss for a thousand years.Miyao is the anti-christ and they're going to put him in the time-capsule shaft for 1000 years
>>22196307the fragments are very important
>>22196344Don't be so mean.
So let me get this straight. He's stirring up war by falseflagging?
>>22196353has anyone been in the arc.nsa s? is this some premade CG
>>22196344Meowkastel already told you that happens at the very start. It's not a spoiler, you're a fool for doubting them.
>>22196367I've unpacked them, but still need to finish before I properly explore everything.
>>22196385Im mad that hes glad
>>22196401That's sad.
Okonogi is the game master. He can do magic because he has LOVE. Chloe and Okonogi make a good couple, better than the horrendous mess with catnoises and 外伝.
>>22196363Yes
>>22196363It's controlled opposition when the scale is that big.
>>22196412Where can you see those character files? I only have the ones for all the kids.
>International convention that's supposed to be happening in Latin America>Ryukishi just went out and took pictures of the interior of the Diet Buildingkek
>>22196433Archive->Character TipsAfter you finish reading the 16 data fragments.
Umineko would be 10x better if magic and love was removed and it would be an actual mystery about a family who is murdered by an unknown killer on the island while the player would somehow get tips like in higurashi and piece the story together
>>22196441Oh, all right. I've only gotten halfway through those so far. Thanks
>>22196442based
Read the TIPS, two questions: 1) WTF did end up happening to Maya, I was sure she was one of the subjects in the operation scene, then she was an escort, then it turns out I was right? Was the escort Maya just a troll?2) I have no clue how will the story progress now that at least half the cast is dead - the usual WTC loop? If so, will we get a focus on another faction?And a bit on the side, I wonder if the fact the Revelation is not canon in this world is significant - after all, R07 could've just used Revelation of Peter or the Book of Wisdom and would have to change nothingalso despite all the hints towards it I maintain that there's no way Chloe is the mole as she's too retarded for that, betting it's some kinda another program in Miyao (maybe even Meow for that nice dick punch)>>22196436I swear some of the Neo Akihabara sceneries are an European city I've been to
>>22196436There's also Kremlin in the middle of Tokyo.
>>22196483
>>22196442I like the concept of Umineko, how all the magic scenes were hidden with symbolism as to what actually happened, but I just felt that Ryuukishi was bad at executing it. His sort of writing style just isn't suited toward subtlety. I still disagree, though, Umineko would be awful without the magic scenes.
>Battler kept fighting to turn the chessboard over>Miyao just wants to get off the chessboardBattler had such luxurious meta-problems
>>22196367The reason I took a picture with the text over it is because the actual cg is too bright to make out anything. The added shade actually makes it lewder.
When they started noticing the intense stench and getting pimples/rashes after the 8MS failure it immediately made me think of that scene where Takano shows that dude the (flawed) eternal youth/immortality wisdom. The hanged researcher had similar symptoms, no? I'm guessing it's either directly been used on the kids or all of mankind as a 'preservative'.
>>22196543Shadow Miyao already warned real Miyao of the brain drain effect, in isolation, yeah? 100% chance that it's been used.
>>22196471Regarding 1: I think that was just to fuck with people yeah.Besides that, I didn't think Chloe was the AOU traitor. Pretty much looks like it's Gunhild unless there is fuckery involved again.
>>22196534no, I mean I want to know if the scene itself was pre rendered or if it's cobbled together from multiple images that might be in one of the .nsas
>>22196471>2) I have no clue how will the story progress now that at least half the cast is deadWe still have seven billion more to go
>>22196483RGD had moulin rouge in Tokyo
finished the main game. are all the fragments unimportant? then i'll take my time with them. pic related confused me. was this a mistranslation?
>>22195546chloe's birthing hips
Can someone who legitimately bought the game tell me if my copy is fucked?The bgm folder has 33 audio files inside. 1 to 29 are numbered, and there are also five non-numbered tracks. However, the numbered tracks skip from 14 to 16. There is no 15.Is my copy missing music or is it supposed to be that way?
>>22196663I have 33 as well stop being schizo.
>>22196652You need to read all of the fragments in order to unlock fragment 16, which is important. Read 12-15 carefully, other ones are mostly memes or filler with some more details about the setting/tech.
>>22196654Okonogi gets to chop this forehead every day.
>>22196652I understood that line as "a psycho personality like this never existed in me", but it could also be a hint about Meow or a mistranslation.
>>22196442no, the meta stuff is what made it special. ciconia is a bit too high concept though. it's hard to focus on the characters with a scale this big.
>>22196652probably the translation since the parts where Miyao and Meow argued with eacother in front of other people had no reason to be faked
Equipment = furniture. I bet Koshka has nothing down there on top of all the other terrible shit going on with her body.
>>22196712Umineko had more characters.
>>22196549It'll only be used at a late stage of the game, probably Phase 3. This will be tragic because we'll see Supergenius become retarded act be incoherent.
>Okonogi: "There's nothing I hate more than a girl's _____!"Why is he so gay?
>>22194164naima clearly seems to have one that comes out during battles. stan and naomi even seem to know about it. she referrs to herself constantly, but they're both called naima, i wonder if in japanese they're written differently.also is the three kings stuff and the vier underground lab even real? at some points i thought they might be metaphors similar to the metagame in umineko. also as far as i understand "the end of humanity" is basically that meat factory scene where people get stripped down to their head and spine and digitalized.i kinda agree with the prerelease anons that said this entire world might be a virtual reality created after WW3.
>>221964711- It's unsure whether she became an escort first or underwent the process first. Both options are shit.2- the story will progress exactly as it was predicted: the end of the human race. 3.5 billion people died and the gameboard master intends on bringing it down to zero. There will be no loop. There's only one shot at victory: can humanity survive everything Ryukishi throws at it? Alt-Miyao predicted World War 4, loss of all nanomachines that keep every system operational, no clean air, the loss of all marine life and oceans which provides 2/3 of all oxygen, worldwide famine, nuclear winter, and eventually everyone having their IQ brought down to double digits. Those aren't good odds. This is Noah's arc without an arc. Can humanity survive?Tomitake even said that even a single couple survives, it's a victory.
I keep hearing that Ciconia will only have 4 chapters in total. Is this people misunderstanding that the question and answer arc are separate games? r07 made a tweet saying there will be 4 games in total, he means the question arc will have 4 right?
>>22196773we dont know
>>22196773>r07 made a tweet saying there will be 4 games in total, he means the question arc will have 4 right?We don't really know, iirc it had somewhat of an ambiguous context.
>>22196773Ryukishi said there will only be 4 phases. This is like RGD.
There's an interesting contrast between a chessboard that requires precise movement against a die being cast which is random yet set in stone once it is cast. Your destiny is what you create, yet it is also based upon what talents you were born with. They're complementary yet also contradictory.
>>22194164I'm willing to bet Naima has one.
https://twitter.com/enjoievan/status/1180341657109008385kek
>>22196652>ふざけるなッ!! 俺の中の新しい人格だっていうのかよ?! そんなヤツはいないし、居たこともない!Looks like the translation is correct. It is just as>>22196704 says: Miyao is like there is no way there is a new personality, psycho to boot.
>>22196811was wondering about that too, so Miyao is either a fag or a girl. Or it could be that the alternate personality is more combined than we think (which still would make him a fag.)
>>22196820More like Evil Miyao went through a backdoor or something and the current Miyao only recognize Meow as the only other personality out there.
So what if everything that is happening is just a giant simulation inside of a VR with all of humanity, and the end of WW3 was humanity getting processed into that horror segment. May explain why WW3 history was sealed off. The prophecy saying that would be the future is because everyone would be forced to wake up from the simulation. Since we're going with scifi setting I thought it would make more sense than magic this time. The goal of the 3 kings could be the evolution of society by letting it grow then reseting the board over and over.speedreader theory
>>22196835Wasn't there some lines like 'no need to wake up yet' and 'sleep my dear Miyao' from his mom(?) as well? That fits well with the VR theory
>they actually used the chapel from Umineko in this game, only without the metaworld sky in the background and a much better filterthat's awesome
I think I figured out the purpose of door. It sends you 1000 years in the future, right? Perhaps the conditions of victory is surviving Armageddon and then having someone pass through that door and still find humanity alive and kicking.
>>22196862Yes, although I suppose that could be interpreted as his alternate personality waking up.Also to add to this didn't he see his sister on the processing line? He and his sister could literally be two people in real life strapped into one body in VR world. In fact all soldiers with multiple personality could just be joined brains for more processing power.
>>22196304Oh yeah, I've been listing to it for a while, also the way they used it on the game is great, it makes the song more iconic.
So what's the significance of the Gauntlet being on the left arm? Is it a Christian thing?
>>22196930It might as well be another Book of Revelations thing. >The Dragon is imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for a thousand years. (20:1–3)The Dragon is Satan. So maybe the one you send into the future is the one who would be responsible for ending humanity.
>>22196945>Also to add to this didn't he see his sister on the processing line? He and his sister could literally be two people in real life strapped into one body in VR worldYeah that's what I was thinking as well, though maybe it's just a thing with siblings considering his mother was also mushed right before them.
>>22196835I also thought of that possibility. I'm also thinking "WW3" wasn't even nations vs nations, but aliens vs humanity and the aliens winning. In the VR/simulation they've designed, the aliens either cba or don't have the capacity to fill in all the gaps in human history and natural science so they have to bullshit stuff like 'all records of WW3 were destroyed on purpose' and 'why isn't everything irradiated and inhospitable? 8MS just works bro don't think about it'. This could also explain the slight discrepancies between Ciconia's B3W history and "actual" history without it strictly being a split timeline. The aliens didn't give enough of a shit to get all the facts straight, like how stuff at/beyond the boundaries of videogame environments doesn't actually have all the details filled in. Takano's group thus looks to reverse engineer the simulation, but I can't explain the Millennium Puzzle Boys with this theory.My other theory is that the world ended and the dystopia is everyone in purgatory or hell infinitely reliving the end of the world. This kind of explains the Three Kings, they just want to accelerate things and hurry up to the next reset with more favorable conditions. Throwing humanity back to prehistory means there'll be a huge buffer before the next apocalypse. Don't know what Takano's group is doing in this scenario, though.
Continuing with the Revelation theme, would that make the main events of WTC5 The Great Tribulation? Lots of parallels here
>>22196945>Also to add to this didn't he see his sister on the processing lineit was his brother. although it could have been from meows perspective instead.but following this idea, wasn't their father sent to the trash heap in that scene? it makes sense for families to not stay together in VR life but that makes me wonder what the ciconia motif is trying to say.
>>22196973Maybe Miyao has to go through the door? Alt-Miyao said he was the cause for ending humanity.
How did Gunhild have access to that classified info anyway? Who is she?
Something I noticed regarding the songs names.The ending song of Higurashi (chapter 8) It's called Beyond the Sky and the song that plays at the end of Phase 1 of Ciconia (not the one on the credits) it's called Empty Sky.It kind of makes me feel sad, Beyond the Sky it's beautiful song in both melody and lyrics.Empty Sky just sounds ominous, the melody it's still pretty but it feel more somber like a choroes of angels singing in a beautiful chorus for the end of mankind, I don't know japanese so maybe the lyrics are positive and hopeful.Does any of the Jap speaking anons know something about the lyrics of Empty Sky?
So uhh, when is DEEN going to make the anime.
>>22197093She seems like some sort of big shot in the military. I'd guess she and Toujirou know each other somehow and either he helped her get up there or she did it by herself somehow. She does keep talking about fighteing her way up from her shitty starting position.
>>22197136Did Nips like the game?
>>22197136Hopefully never
>>22197136ufotable you meanwhen WTC6 is being developed, like with Umineko?
>>22197114Actually, the song Empty Sky is from Haworthia.It was pretty weird, hearing the song I've been playing on loop for a week leading up to Ciconia's release, suddenly play at the end of the game. I haven't listened to all of Haworthia yet, can see how it might share ideas with Ciconia.Translation here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2CQyyfZRY
>>22197183Oh I didn't knew that, thx for the info anon, I'll give it a listen.
>>22197183>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3SAOVdMBwWhat the FUCK is going on here?
>>22197209Oh wait, it's part of a story included with the songs.
>>22196966Devil hand.
so why did she change gauntlets in the final fight?
>>22196966LHP Left Hand Path.
>>22196966It's really big and clumbersome, so it's convenient to have it on the left hand.
holy fucking shit
Edit anon here. Here's a work in progress on my first Ciconia edit.
Hey anons I'm extracting the sprites?Does anyone want a MEGA link?
>>22197138Yes. Remember the scene where Miyao asks Jayden and Gunhild about starting a chivalric order and Grave Mole shows up? At the end of the scene, we're shown that among those characters, one of them is an informant for the Jestress. Then, we're shown that Toujirou has identical information and he finishes his conversation with whoever's informing him with an "I know, I love you". This itself isn't evidence that Gunhild is the informant for either or that the informant for the Jestress is even the same person as the informant for Toujirou. But Gunhild behaves way too suspiciously in general. In that scene, for instance, she fucking instantly leaks the chivalric order idea to Chloe without asking anyone beforehand. Really weird thing to do when the stakes are high treason.
>>22192378>R07 hasn't been distastefulI really wanted to believe this going in, but you are absolutely deluded. This is like early-2000s proto-SJW levels of pozzed, right down to citing the bogus "10% of the population is gay" shit.How it was handled in Umineko was abstract and tasteful, so far 75% of this story has revolved around how not to trigger literally psychotic trannies with deadnames and cis-privilege. Its bad enough dealing with like 3 obviously Muslims in their stupid hijabs as well as literal African QUEEENs.If this isn't all a big subversive setup , I'm going to have to give this shit a hard miss.Also there has only been one decent music track so far.
>>22197306Sure thing. I already extracted them, but I've been having issues uploading them to mega.
>>22197315>This is like early-2000s proto-SJW levels of pozzedSo, conservative by current standards? (I don't say this as a good thing)
>>22197306Yes please!
>>22197308That was my thought process as well yeah. On the other hand it's so obvious that it might be a misdirection.
>>22197315To be fair, this is supposed to take place in the future. Ryukishi's basically predicting that this is what SJW culture would develop into.
>>22197300shitposting bots
>>22197315>75% of this story has revolved around how not to trigger literally psychotic trannies with deadnames and cis-privilegeimagine being so upset over gays that you think the whole Meow thing compromises more than 25% of even the early game
>>22197303i love you anon
>>22197315>This is like early-2000s proto-SJW levels of pozzed,Not him, but I disagree. Stan and the other dudes never condemned Jayden with the libido question, which would have been extremely awkward with trannyfags.Stan's speech with same sex VS close relative couples pretty much demonstrate how Ryukishi is more about acceptation of different ideologies instead of painting the other side as bunch of backwards people.
>>22197315lmao dude the trigger warning wasn't even with the tranny, it was how the gay guy was treating the straight male personality. If you're going to seethe about something at least retain some details about it.
what was the deal with chloe asking lilja who she really is? what brought it up?
>>22197345I couldn't resist. I'll probably try and do a Gunhild one after.
>>22197325Conservative in the sense that its trying to easy normal people (the Japanese younger demographic) into swallowing what is still considered blatant degeneracy over there. Which is why I compare it to the early 2000s in the west because its still not the "norm" for the target audience like it was for us in the west in the late 90s and early 2000s.>>22197334SJW is already like that in the west, so unless this is a setup to for a huge reversal its still cirngey as hell. It was literally painful to watch Jayden struggle to ask a normal fucking question like "does he had a dick and if so am I allowed to pass rather than smash or does that make me a shitord omg so sorry for asking such privileged ignorant question">>22197339I am still in the early game, and obviously I am being melodramatic, but it does impress upon me as being a huge focal point of the story thus far.>>22197354This sounds like a lot of cope. I mean the guys didn't shit on him, but they were pressing the opinion that the "manly" thing to do is to accept the benis and pretend to like it.>>22197355I'm not seething, I just don't want to misrepresent how fucking gay this story is like a lot of people in the usual threads that keep going on about "tasteful".
>>22197363When did that happen again
>>22197315I like the muslims, it's that fucking jewish kette that's the worst.
>>22197315Anon that's legitimately their society. He later says that anybody who speaks out is electrocuted by what has been implanted into everybody's brains and arrested. Also you're a fucking idiot if you believe 3 scenes is 75 percent of the fucking game.
>>22197387I like them, they're pretty based and yuripilled.
>>22197387Actually I was gonna say the same. At least the Muslim girls are modest and against degeneracy, but the Jewish kette are going full "pozz the Goyim">>22197402Hey no need to get huffy, I said like 3 times if this is a set-up for a reversal it will keep my interest. I am still early in the game and wanted some discussion before I get father than 3-4 hours in.
>>22197387why are you so heartless anon?
>>22197402Hell, Ryukishi literally calls out SJW mentality in one of the first scenes, pointing out the hypocrisy of preaching about diversity and protecting minorities, yet being unable to tolerate differing opinions and ganging up on dissenters of the common belief.
>>22197412you are not worthy of God's love anon
>>22197421Leah is honestly a qt. I keep reading all her lines in Yuuki Aoi's voice.
>>22197439this is a lot of cope. He is basically taking an "le enlightened centrist" stance and it was in regards to military force. Sometimes 1 or 0 IS correct or incorrect and trying to hold onto both truths at once is inflicting yourself with intentional cognitive dissonance for the sake of intellectual smugness.
>>22197379>but they were pressing the opinion that the "manly" thing to do is to accept the benis and pretend to like it.That was mainly Momotake because "muh samurai soul". Ishak and adbou were like "well, you have a 50/50 chance dude, so go for it". Hell, they even acknowledged that Jayden could get severely mentally damaged if he didn't prepare himself for the other 50. Do you really think SJW would even call that a "problem"? That scene was incedibly transparent when it came to Jayden's situation and what it means to date Meow.
>>22197421He can't take the heat
>>22197316>>22197328Ok here you have them anons, I also added the images from the character tips.https://mega.nz/#!n8wFwQ7T!YlROkZui9XA6AY1ccVp6wVicxaXgOduBiXgiuL8fNxk
>>22197463This is a story about worldwide relationships staring characters from several different nations. Saying that one culture or way of thinking is inherently superior would be a pretty shit way to handle things.
>>22197363One of the tips shows shows that Lija is faking that she is friends with Koshka So maybe Gun told Chloe about it or she figured out by herself.
>>22193042I'm more put off by how lopsided they are. I get that it's supposed to be her body at an angle, but it makes it look like one breast is way bigger than the other.
>>22197473Incredibly based, thank you so much
if we have to talk about polshit then i have to say: ciconia has been surprisingly topical. especially how it shows radicalization through demagoguery and misinformation.
>>22197503I just wish there was less social commentary and more story.
>>22197468That's a lot of cope and rationalization just to pretend R09 is trying to"own the libs". Obviously a Japanese man who only speaks fluent Japanese and grew up without all this SJW culture is not going to word things in a way that is 110% Tumblr kosher, but that is a far cry from acting like an intentional slight against normalizing homosex and mental illness.>>22197512This. Way to heavy handed. Higurashi and Umineko showed rather than told.
>>22197512i agree. but it is somewhat required with ths kind of setting i guess. he didn't have to explain the entire world in his previous works. hopefully it gets better from here on out.
I like how the TIPS give a lot more insight into the actual lived dystopia that is the setting. Of course it can pretty easily be gleaned from the main text but all the lab-grown babby permanent underclass brave new world shit is bonkers and I hope it gets explored way more.
>>22197473Was the sprite of Jestress without the mask not included?
>>22197541>is somewhat required with ths kind of setting i guessI mean, he chose the setting so if he wrote himself into that corner its still a fault. Hoping it improves but upending the seemingly "utopian" society.
>>22197247Wait a second, that gauntlet....I think is the same kind as *pic related*All of those mysterious shiny girls have the same model of Gauntlet.
>>22197519>Higurashi and Umineko showed rather than told.I think that part of the problem is that the setting is too removed from reality. The amount of exposition that needs to be done to make everything work is absurd. I don't think Ryukishi thought enought about it.He just thought an scene that worked in the setting, then realised that no one expect him know all the background, nuance and context to make it work. As a result we have something like this: B happens. This means X, because Y and Z. In contrast with W. This is how A is usually done. So B, in this context, is funny. Now laugh.
>>22197556Didn't he learn this lesson from RGD? This basically feels a lot like "This is how I REALLY wanted to tell the story of RGD."So far, this feels less like an official Naku Koro Ni capered to Higanbana which honestly should have been.
>>22197552yeah, and i'm pretty sure she had her normal gauntlet before they sortied. no idea what this means though.
>>22197552Sure is
>>22197545That sprite is only part of a background I think, here you have the file anon. I couldn't find it on the sprite section, I think you can only find it on the backgrounds.
>>22197545Instead you can slap it on whoever you want.
>>22197601That's a nice looking hand
>>22197545I think it is also missing dead chinese girl with the golden guantelete and blood covered versions of Kos and Miyao.
>Lingji knows Miyao has a girl inside him but she's still going after his dick anyway
>>22197623Quiet shitlord, acknowledging that multiples share a physical body and treating them any different is literally Hitler!
>>22197592That's a shame. I was realling hoping she would have a couple full sprites. Jestress best girl. Thanks though.Will you be uploading all the backgrounds?
ok but what about >>22196353
Someone tell me how I feel about this gameI never felt this blueballed by Ryukishi beforeThe world is so cool and the mysteries interesting, but it just didn't give you anywhere near enough anything to really even try to come up with good theories
>>22197653To be fair, that's how Umineko felt the first Chapter with all the literal magic and witches flying around. And Higurashi's Onikakushi 100% impossible IMO.
>>22197601Good idea.
>>22197662so, what IS his endgame? And I don't mean as Instructor, I mean as THE Okonogi, piece of the Higurashi gameboard and outside actor of the Umineko gameboard.
>>22197640>Will you be uploading all the backgrounds?I'm already doing it, but It might take a while.
What the fuck, there's like 20 Higurashi games. I thought it was like Umineko with 4 question and 4 answer episodes
>>22197463>He is basically taking an "le enlightened centrist" stance and it was in regards to military forcelater on there's a 'people who dont take sides BAD' quote as a chapter opener though
>>22197689Are you retarded?
>>22197692He is unable to fully commit to radical centrism because that wouldn't be the centrist thing to do.
>>22197702Pop. Pop. Until they drop.
>>22197519>This. Way to heavy handed. Higurashi and Umineko showed rather than told.Higurashi took place in a small village, Umineko on an island. This story takes place on a global scale, you can't really compare them in this regard.
>Ciconia-born but abandoned so you have literally no one in lifeGotta be Chloe
>>22197702around blacknever relax
>>22197710I want to make Chloe-born babies.
>>22197692>>22197704I am starting to think R09 might have a couple extra personalities of his own knocking around up there.>>22197708Who decided to write the next official WTC with a global scale story?.
>>22197653well, it would suck if it was too easy. i think there is a lot to chew on but for example the AOU traitor might be possible to pin down if people tried hard enough, just based on the few times where information was leaked.
>>22197708Well maybe instead of devoting most of the episode to VR shenanigans and WALLS OF PEACE, he should have devoted that time to actually fleshing out the world.
>>22197718get in line
>>22197667>with all the literal magic and witches flying aroundEP1 literally had no witches at all until the Tea Party, it had far less to go off of than Ciconia does. The main difference between Umineko and Ciconia is that people didn't fucking get into Umineko until after EP2 at the earliest, and plenty of people only touched the series within the last 8 years since Umineko ended, and you see these people bitching about how the first part of Ciconia doesn't cover the breadth of 8 games/1.2 million words that they binge read one summer.It's all so tiresome.
>>22194351I love how samurai guy just came on screen with his face in pure pain for like half a second after that.
>>22197729>he should have devoted that time to actually fleshing out the world.Given how this first game talked about fucking taxes at one point I find you to be a complete idiot
>>22194351iraq and saudi arabia have the cutest girls
>>22197724It's pretty obvious that's Gunhild. When Ryukishi actually attempts to hint at something it's always really obvious. He's a lot of things, but subtle is definitely not one of them.
>>22197734Speak for yourself, man. I was hooked on Umineko from the very first scene with Kinzo and Nanjo. Then again, I didn't really play it with any weird expectations. I just read it like a normal story, like how I read Higurashi. That probably makes me a goat, but whatever.
>>22194585Are you retarded? Right after that he goes on to say that we shouldn't criticize different cultures and religions because they aren't accepting of gay shit.
>>22197379>>22197463he is just creating an accurate depiction of modern day america set in the future
>>22197747>subtle is definitely not one of them.Its a big problem with a lot of INFP writers. Self inserts and subtlety issues.
>>22197740Ciconia's version of fleshing out the world is to just list off tons of shit in passing and hope it sticks. Might as well have not even bothered and just left all the world building in TIPS.
>>22197752If you haven't noticed most people that are fixated on the tranny shit aren't very smart
>>22197747>It's pretty obvious that's Gunhildsure, but based on what? where's your proofs, son?
>>22197662>Stan's gauntletHow will Stan ever recover?
>>22197640Here you have the backgrounds anon.https://mega.nz/#!fkpACIYI!Bdh1LsBtQR2h6hfxQWU9zTnYq33EGCsjMCDh70oqbfw
>>22194585Completely agree. Its like he can't figure out what he is even trying to say. I actually like BL and Yuri when done a certain way, but its always in the vein of "we are two normal people that have developed feelings that transcend issues of sexual attraction."I feel like R09 had a similar mindset for a while, but this is the first of his works where he turns around in the same breathe and says debunked nonsense like "10% of the population are homos and that's fine, and some girls think its a purer form of love"No, being a homo means you have an insatiable attraction to the same sex, just as you would if you were straight with the opposite (if not more so if we go by STD and sexual partner data) so if anything being a homo and hooking up with the same sex is exactly the opposite of liking someone for more than physical reasons. The we get into the downright retarded mindset of tip-towing around schizophrenia and pretending like the body has absolutely no relation to the "personalities" inside of it.
>>22197747I don't know, with how blatantly suspect everything Gun says and does is it definitely feels like a gigantic red herring to me.Like she's constantly musing to herself about how the world should just end, it's way too on your nose.
>>22197780There was no way he could have known the Okonogi Karate Chop™ can penetrate rejection shields. The fight was unfair from the start.
>>22197790>some girls think its a purer form of love>nonsenseHe was talking about fujos you idiot
>>22197758I hope you are being ironic, because there is no way a 40+ year old Japanese man who only speaks Japanese and has only ever lived in Japan is going to be tuned into the subtleties of western SJWisms outside of what generally trickles in through Japanese twitter and the growing LGBT movement in Tokyo.
>>22197790you need stop being so damn triggered. especially since i feel like a lot of the story is set up like this for mystery reasons, especially the multiple personalities thing.
>>22197762>in passingYou could feel this way about some of the scenes Tojiro was in and be justified since those were often disconnected and felt like they could belong in TIPs, but acting like this somehow applies to all the worldbuilding in the game is utterly stupid, especially in light of things like how the full rundown of 8MS comes at the point in the story where the factions are going to the specialists trying to figure out what the hell they even are and how long it would take to fix them. Even Miyao's CPP shit didn't happen in passing.
>>22197805and?????I never said he wasn't talking about fujos, but everything I said still stands. Fujos don't like "BL about fags being fags". They like their ships to be otherwise normal, average men.
>>22197811He's been spamming basically the same shit all day on other boards as well, calling him R09 the entire time. Some people just have weird ideas of a good time.
>>22197811Not that anon, but I think you're right, having those scenes with Jayden and Meow I think is better than having an info dump, it also makes it easier to understand how it works with examples.Also some of those scenes are pretty funny
>Uminekucks skipped out on Day 1 but were all set to go by Day 2
>>22197817weird ideas about not having my preferred media just being tumblr bait, sure. If anything you are just showing how you are just content policing any thread on Ciconia on homo-damage control, and probably a janny/mod with IP access, a discord server and a dilation schedule.
>>22197813speaking of this part was gold ngl this invoked my own feelings about my own STEM field
>>22197835literally the most 1bit post in this thread
>>22197841>I used the new buzzword! cope. At least go back to using Goat for opinions you don't like.
Imagine being one of the fags that gave Ciconia an 8-10 rating.Imagine being one of the fags that gave Ciconia a 1-5 rating.
obituary for my nigga mario
>>22197855>copeumm have sex
>>22197848damn, he really doesn't like online detractors, does he? I hope he doesn't go full JK Rowling.>>22197858Imagine being an insufferable centrist zoomer, perpetually shrouded in a comfortable amount of irony.
>>22197855>I used the old buzzword!I'll give you a modicum of respect once you've reached the point where anyone that disagrees with you isn't automatically labeled a tranny, but until then you get absolutely nothing
>>22197863Most based character so far
>>22197858imagine give a story that's only 1/4 (or maybe 1/8) done a rating.
>>22197512Yeah, the focus this time around has shifted from character psychology to group dynamics and sci-fi worldbuilding. I enjoy seeing Ryukishi exploring new modes of storytelling, but I wish we got more insightful character interactions.
All the Ciconia discussion has made me think back on Umineko and, man, the twist at the end with Ikuko and Tohya has got to be one of my favorite 'plot twists' of all time. The way that it makes you look back on everything that you read in a different light while also concluding everything was just so great. People give episode 8 a lot of shit, but I'll always defend the very ending of Umineko.Hard for me to think that Ciconia will top that.
Everyone posting needs a dose of that shit they hit Naima or Ruhki with
>>22197885That's pretty rude wowowowowowowow
Heavy Devilman vibes from Jayden at the end. Imagine collaborating with Takano just so you can fuck your boyfriend's pussy with 100% certainty at the end of the world.
>>22197882I'm not really looking for Ciconia to top Umineko, I'm looking for it to tell a story that's virtually nothing like it and piss off a bunch of people with worthless outlooks on things in the process. So far it's doing both pretty well.
>>22197871I referenced the old buzzword, not used it strictly speaking. You don't even know if calling someone 1-bit is even going to hold up as an insult as the story goes on, but yeah lets keep the cringe engine running. You have absolutely nothing to "give" me but cliched insults since you don't like my opinion, and assuming you are the one who called me out for being on another thread, literal ad hominem. I stand by the notion that I think he got pozzed by what he thinks is Avant-garde and enlightened opinion compared to the general Japanese public, still clinging to their old-fashioned ideas. I hope I am wrong, and that it ends up being part of an overarching twist or narrative sense he got all the backlash for the Lion issue by the Nip imageboards and he is trying to subvert expectation.Oh and on that subject, to that post that defended the statement that "we shouldn't judge cultures that are against homosexuality, ect" isn't that the actual logic that SJWs do to defend Islamic ideas towards chucking gays off buildings yet continuing to import them?
>>22197869>damn, he really doesn't like online detractors, does he?that line isn't about online detractors. it's about brainwashed online radicals.
>>22197894If ciconia turns into a post apocalyptic devilman-esque story, I'd take back any complaints I had.The real reason the world building was shit, the characters were mediocre at best, the music was lacking, and the story needing a pacemaker surgery... it's all because it'll all get thrown to the wayside to make wayThat's what r07 meant by it costing a lot more. Because he's having to make the backgrounds, sprites, and music for almost two entirely different settings.if only
>>22197896>worthless outlooks on things>it's about brainwashed online radicalsshowing your hand a little hard there, buddy. even if everyone else is too dense to see past your intentional obfuscation to avoid saying anything directly refutable
>>22196212aka contrarian fags.
>>22197929I'm sorry, what?
>>22196212And then he followed it up with the thought that this mechanism is being utilized for social engineering as we speak. I didn't expect the social commentary or science fiction to be as interesting as it turned out
Man Witch-Hunts translation is still really stiff and awkward, don't they have an editor? How many more times must I read sasuga translated as "That's (insert name here) for you!"
>>22197965That's Anon for you!
>>22197965Can't wait until Valentina says it using her "haha" speech quirk so I can have some serious coldsteel PTSD
Imagine giving your life away and going through hell just so you can fly in the sky lmao, especially when VR can be extremely realistic and provide feeling.
>>22197983>switch over to jp to see what everyone's speech patterns are like>Koshka uses extreme hick speech like オラ and ~っぺよ>speaks normally in enggood job WH
>>22197988>giving your life awayBut most of them don't get the choice, especially kids in the shittier social classes trying to make something for their families, or being outright forced to by their families. Marica is the real idiot. If you put Gun and Marica in the same room and Gun was off her meds, Marica would not walk out of the room alive.
>>22197996>Lilja has her speech pattern intact>insults Koshka for a speech pattern that isn't intactforget literal vs. localized, this might be WH's first ironic translation
>>22197997Marica is pretending to be retarded
>>22197891>wowowowowowowowAm i the only one who finds this really cute?I actually had a small shock in the factory horror scene because the person cried "owowowow" when getting into the grinder, which sounds similar. But i feel like this was just a coincidence in the eng translation.>>22197929>it's about brainwashed online radicalsThose are two different anons, this one is me. I find it funny how you realized i was talking about you among other things. But it's not just about you, this is simply what the story (and ryukishi) is talking about.
>The adult white stork's main sound is noisy bill-clattering, which has been likened to distant machine gun fire. bros??
Is Meow's name in JP Nyaa?Or is it still Meow?In English it's a play on pronunciation, but I doubt they use an English word as their name in the JP script. Has to be some other word that sounds like Miyao but is still in JP.
>don't want to use discord because criticism will get you kicked out for being some pseudo nazi>don't want to use 4chan because saying you enjoyed it will get you called a tranny faggotWhere the fuck do I go
>>22198046If I had to guess, Miyao is probably written in Kanji while Meow is written in kana. How wrong am I?
>>22198051These threads are overwhelmingly discord, and most people here say its enjoyable and if anything you get shit-on by either people thinking Ryukishi is long-conning the homo narrative, or those unironically in support of schizophrenic transsexualism.
>>22197965It feels way too localized this time. All the characters talk like they're straight out of an american webtoon. It doesn't have the same charm that the original Umineko fan translation had.
>>22198068For me it feels way too much like the original Umineko translation.
>>22198051Using Discord to DM people who aren't crazy is fine, and desu most of the people I've spoken with on Discord who were absolute psychos were, ironically, people who used 4chan a lot, and not people who used Discord primarily. We can even talk if you want, DM ofc.
>I'll let you call me Marica, okay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgpH-8W-Eyc
Did anyone else notice the easter egg in the music room?You can click on Keropoyo to view different dialogue boxes. You can make him sing the Ciconia theme song.
>>22198085>this entire postThe absolute state of this general.
>>22197869>zoomer>copeGet the fuck off /jp/ you underaged faggot.
>this and the whole bit about capcom and "SF9" afterwardsAgain, surprisingly topical. I wonder if the jp script also said justin.
>>22195856Aren't she talking about her and Maya?
Finally finished the story.What a fucking ride this was, this slow degradation of the whole planet into complete crap was really not what I was expecting, especially at first. Given how Rose Guns was and how Ryukishi got high on the action scenes I didn't really expect him to treat the build up to a world war the least bit realistically, and I fully expected this to turn into a massive bloodbath at the height of some full out offensive by the end, but instead it really is a story about the planet dying and most people going on with their lives still managing to hold on to stability despite it which is haunting as fuck but is something that we can see happening even in our world today. It's a very quiet affair, and a lot of the action even happens off screen. It definitely fits the style of WTC and does so even with a significantly widened scope. If anything, the only thing that I feel could've been handled better was getting across a little more of the world before it started going to shit. While the opening with Miyao flying over Tokyo but actually Russia was great for this, and so was the stuff with Gunhild, as was Jayden's trip to the arcade, but we spend a significant amount of time in the VR rooms and not nearly as much out in the open. Fortunately there's still 3 other games minimum that can aid that. The other thing that felt a little odd compared to past games was the lessened focus characterization because of what was being conveyed by all of the above, but given the scope of the story this sort of thing is practically necessary at the start. I don't doubt that with the bird's eye view in this game out of the way that the rest will feel a little more typical of Ryukishi though. Naima is the best girl
would chloe be as liked if her tits werent so big
>>22198269Yes. She's still cute on her own. Her tits just make it all the sweeter.
>>22198247>Naima is the best girlgood taste
>>22197183Utopia as well. And it's not like the connections end there, either. The thematic overlap between the two is pretty overwhelming.
>>22196471Maya was a trainee for years, being unable to proceed she ended up getting position as the second secretary in the military and, after getting molested by fat ugly old man, she agreed to participate in the pandora experiment in a final, hopeless attempt to actually become a gauntlet knight.
>>22197379Sounds like you don't think it could be handled tastefully anyways, and this isn't for you.
Who's miyao's mother. And will it be someone we know? i don't think it's takano just from the way shes spoke in the main ending, but dunno.
>>22198348Who else would fuck Tomitake?
>>22198348That's me. I'm Miyao's mother.It's implied whoever it is also made the keropoyos. And while it's not Seshat because she's too black, we know all the keropoyos report to her, whatever that signifies.
>>22198348It's the Jestress.
>>22198348>Jestress takes off her mask>Tojiro: This reminds me of when we first met It could be her tbqh
It was battler, thus the hair.
The king of fury is Oishi, the king of sorrow is Irie, the king of ridicule is Keiichi. Screencap this.
>>22198365>>22198359it was implied that she could at least look like her.
>>22198375Miyao is Ange's great grandson.
>>22197463>this is a lot of cope.What does this phrase mean?Truly enlightening words.
>>22197752>presents a "complex" argument and forces his opinion on you for 5 minutes>but then he says "it's okay if you think otherwise" in the last second, so it's okayFuck off, homos.
>>22198378It's George, Hideyoshi, and Rudolf. They got so powerful after George went on a diet.
>>22197790Based 8bit poster.1bit homos BTFO.
i dont respect anyone who puts spaces between each line
>>22198425Fromhereonout,I'mchangingmyways.Justforyou,Anon.
>>22198436i meanlike this
>>22198425I don't respect loser virgins who read chinese cartoons. Later nerds.*crack**sip*
>>22198457Don't you have any respect for yourself? Stop that right now.
>>22198246I thought about that the first time reading the scene and it's possible she is just talking about Maya, but:1 - Pic related2 - During the scene, she calls Miyao and Jayden "monsters" and gives the impression she hates them. But then you read data fragment 14 where she says she really looks up to Miyao and admits she loves him.So either fragment 14 happens after this scene or she has a second personality that resents her teammates.I could just be reading too much into it too.
What's sex with Rukshana like?
>>2219849030-60% of the characters could have multiple personalitiesI'm not ready for this shit.I hope everyone that dies fucking stays dead and there's no resetting.I don't wanna deal with that shit, so the less of it the better.
>>22197747To be fair, you're supposed to know it's gunhild before you see fragments 12-15.Those last three fragments are as subtle as episode 7 of umineko is. They're showing you the cat's guts.
>>22198329It was handled fine in Chiru, as well as how Lamda and Bern feel about each other so fuck off and dilate somewhere else.
The data fragments really should have been like the tips in higurashi.
>>22198503What's sex like?
>>22198532What's sex?
>>22198537What?
>>22198528yeah, placing them between chapter as breathers worked far better than dumping everything at the end
>>22198378Ridicule is Battler
>>22198532lets find out anon
>the amount of people triggered in this thread by trans writingwtc was always like this if you've been paying attention. remember all the times mion says she wants to be a boy in the higurashi vn? or all the times keiichi enjoys putting on a dress? if not guess you're just a secondary after all
>>22198594Are you one of those people who looks up to Yasu despite her being mentally deranged schizo who was willing to murder her entire family.
>>22198594That's different, because I also enjoy putting on dresses.
>>22198608R: I have this feeling that most of the people who arrived at the truth were women, because the key is being able to imagine Yasu’s feelings. Umineko is something that cannot be read by people who never fell in love with somebody. It is something that people who have no experience in love and relationships have trouble understanding.
>>22198594don't forget the baseball star who liked eating feminine desserts, clearly that was an expression of latent transsexualism and the desire to wear the Angel Mort outfits while getting rammed up the ass by Oishi.
people surprised by this game should read the umineko side story where ange is making fujo doujins about battler x rudolf
>>22198508If the traitor is Gunhild, what was Chloe refering to when she said to Miyao pic related.It's like she is indirectly telling him that there is always the nuclear option of just destroying humanity (haha three kings). There is also the fact that she shocked Lilja midfight for no reason whatsoever, killing her in the process.
>>22198620>what is tongue in cheek compared to a focal point of two leading characters relationship.
>>22198616(yes)
>>22198594Penis envy and autogynephilia are common things. Crossdressing is a weird kink, but cute clothes are nice so why the fuck not. Being a boy while sincerely thinking you're actually a girl on the other hand is something that only delusional psychos do
>>22198636>cute clothes are nice so why the fuck nothave you found an informed consent clinic yet sweetie? cause youre gonna need one soon
>>22198630>focal point of two leading characters relationshipwe talking umineko or ciconia here
>>22198623>There is also the fact that she shocked Lilja midfight for no reason whatsoever, killing her in the process.Here's the thing, The Three kings are incompetent, Gunhild is indeed the traitor, but so is Chloe, except Chloe is from a different faction.The three kings traitor that they talked about is Gunhild though, it's why Tomitake intentionally made her shield malfunction with Keropoyo and killed her.She also fits the bill in more ways even before fragments 12-15 and has to have done something outrageous to get high p3 levels.
>>22198630ryukishi has literally always been a fujo. he even describes satoko as a sou-uke in higu ep 7
Can r07 write characters whose dialogue sounds uniquely like them without going wowowow meowmeow miaow *sparkle* >< 0///0 o/ meow meow wowowwowow
>>22198616Ryukishi also beats his dick to 7 year olds are you going to defend that view of his too.
>>22198649yeah but witch hunt cant translate it lmao
>>22198649
>>22198650>virgin who cant understand umineko by the authors admission btfosad!
>>22198649wowowauauwowowuuuuuuu~uuuuu~mmiiiiipah meow
>>22198616The people behind Goats Reading Seacats are both aromantic, yet they've got the best understanding of Umineko and Yasu's heart I've ever seen among fans anywhere.
>>22198649it's retarded, reads terribly and is jarring as fuck but i love it
>>22198651this. When I started re-reading Higu in moon I noticed pretty much imediately that the dialogue was more nuanced and the characters voices came across more strongly. Satoko is so cute
>>22198657im all about love and acceptance here anon
>>22198636>penis envyreal>autogynephiliapsychobabble with no real basis other than some people with a fetish. might as well give inflation freaks a psychological designation>>22198646why the hell does the west have such a hard fucking time understanding the concept that BL ≠ gay fiction/propaganda.Characters in BL are average guys who somehow develop feelings for each other EXCLUSIVELY despite being straight or at least not outwardly homosexual with a very very few exceptions. Most fujos hate official pairings in non-BL fiction unless its intensively shrouded in ambiguity. And furthermore this multiple personality tranny shit is beyond the pale even for outlandish BL subplots.God its like 2001 all over again trying to explain to people that BL was female consumers and not gay men.
If only Miyao made those WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE 10 feet higher, he could have kept preaching about it.
>>22198670This is pretty much how I've felt about Ryukishi's writing since Higurashi, and it never gets old
>>22198676>>psychobabble with no real basis other than some people with a fetishit's literally the word of the fetish
>>22198674>witch hunt>higurashiAnon..
>>22198696yes but when you conflate it with trannies, who are generally just betas/homos larping as girls in response to a victim-mentality society that overtly disapprove of masculinity you are just projecting some weird kink shit onto people who need actual help. I think in all my time online and inperson group counseling dealing with the weirdest fucks imaginable, I have encountered one person living as a "woman" with autogynophelia. The rest of them are insanely depressed and beatdown men looking for a existential escape.
>>22198707That's his point.
more sol scenes tailored around chloe schlicking please
>>22198726>witch hunt>higurashiOther anon...
>>22198728I wonder exactly what kind of VR porn she creates.
>>22198707I stayed up pretty late to finish ciconia, so I'm not thinking clearly rn. BUt my point stands. The old translation doesn't capture the differences between the characters ways of speaking at all. For Umi it wasn't as much of an issue because I just had voices from day 1, but now we're back to text only, so the translation quality is more important.
>>22198715I'm saying that someone having that kink doesn't make them a tranny, and that anyone who bases their outward identity on what they get off to has lost their marbles
>>22197747>>22198508It's not Gunhild. She and finland are just government agents undercover. The traitors work with 4 Kings. I don't think she is a double agent.
thoughts on the maya thing?was she coerced into being a secretary and then tried to move to being a gauntlet user instead and was killed? or was that just a cover story given to finland to hide whats happening to her?
>>22198735What the fuck is going on?
>>22198748Well I agree with you, but I don't think autogyno is common, nor does it have much to do with the tranny boom. Most guys with the fetish who aren't even trannies are just /d/ regulars or into genderswap. Most trannies don't even want vaginas or accept the premise that not having a dick is kind of important to the whole "being a girl thing" and on the contrary are trying to push people into thinking women sometimes have dicks and that's normal.Which is in fact my grief with the angle the early part of Ciconia is taking towards Meow and Jayden.
>>22198735we know witch hunt didnt write the umineko translation, but the point still stands that by reading ryukishis writing, in any game, highlights how stiff witch hunts translation is when the character voices come through in the japanese text.
>>22198759I am here to inform you that you have stopped thinking. It is advised to continue.Being related to geroy doesn't mean their a government spy dude, there isn't even a point to be a government spy from your own government
>>22198776*higurashisorry im a fucking idiot too.
>>22198776I didn't mind Witch Hunt's translation of Umineko.It's a hundred times better than whatever translation the PS3 port uses. That one was cringy enough I had to drop it.
>>22198735Since it wasn't translated by Witch Hunt, it lets you see the difference even if you're too dumb to read Japanese.
>>22198778Why would other government try to develop other country ultimate weapon (finland and koshka)? It's the their own government, just higher echelons.
>>22198805I don't think you understood my post.
>>22198769>finlandSweden. And yes, Maya was molested by fat ugly old men and died in the hopeless experiment after suffering in the academy for years.
>>22198810It's hard to read posts from posters who don't understand the difference between " their" and "they are". Gomen.Can you rephrase?
>>22198769I interpreted it as her wanting to be a gauntlet user, failing out at some point early in the process, becoming a secretary, and using connections from there to get the experiment position>>22198774I honestly suspect it's quite common, and that it's related to being exposed to porn from a very young age. It doesn't directly translate to becoming a tranny, but I do think it can make a person much more vulnerable to it, with social pressure, a pre-existing psychosis, or grooming pushing a person over the edge.
>>22198736apparently she likes using other peoples avatars to record and upload videos
>>22198831I can speak from experience on it. Had a therapist try and convince me I was trans. I was so depressed at the time I almost believed it myself. It gave me a tangile reason for being depressed as well as a solution.
>>22197552>>22197247Nice catch. Didn't see it at first reading.That could mean either:1 - Lingji has ties with Takano's Ark Lab. Maybe she's a plant of hers? The 3 Kings have plants, but it was never said that Takano's had one. It could be possible, if we assume Takano's ultimate goal mash well with Lingji's personality. As we have no clear ideas what is her ultimate goal that could as well be.2 - The golden gauntlet are the "prime" model used by ALL the knight orders, and by extension, the Ark Lab (which is a splinter group after all). I don't see Lingji being a plant, but I can see her faction having discovered some golden gauntlets from a Wisdom cache or something and hiding them as a last resort.
>>22197552>feeling of nobility to ithow the fuck is this noble or classy
>>22198847This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Its a damn shame, sorry you had to go through that but glad you didn't fall for it.
>>22198856gold = expensive = classyconsistent uniform = nobleI guess?
>>22198847I really hate the crabs in a bucket mentality that most trans people seem to have. They'll latch on to the smallest thing to suggest you're one of them and drag you into their bullshit. It's annoying as fuck. It's deeply disgusting that so much of society eggs this on now. I was very open with my friends as a kid that the idea of being a girl was hot to me. They rightly told me that thinking was delusional and I should keep that shit to myself. If I were born 10 years later I shudder to imagine what would have happened to me. I feel so bad for kids these days, man
>>22198829Finland and Gunhild work/worked for the Geroy facility, but they're not spies from their own government.Finland is just there to deal with Koshka, that's right, but Gunhild isn't implied to have any duty regarding them outside of the facility except having high level clearance from previous connections to the place while highly implying she's related to the Three Kings from her inner dialogue.We also know that you can't really rise your P3 levels if you don't have talent in any way but Surgery, Gunhild is always dodging the issue and simply going "y-yeah I worked hard." yet nothing implies she went through it. Ryu07 would have given a hint that she did if that was the case instead of leaving it in the open.So her high P3 levels are probably related to something outside the AOU, probably The Three Kings considering her mentality.Remember, The Three Kings have four traitors, but that doesn't mean there's only four traitors on all of the factions, only that there's only four traitors that belong to The Three Kings. So Chloe's shady shit in the end could be related to a different faction.
>>22198887>couldve grown up happy and not repressedyeah wouldnt that be awful
>>22198900dilate.
>>22193984You mean the Jestress? I don't think the Jestress is Mom. Mom seems to be connected to Keropoyo, or even be Keropoyo. The Jestress has completely different goals and personality, and doesn't match.I thought Mom was Takano at first but now I'm not sure. I'm almost certain it is not Jestress though.Albeit, the theory that Miyao was programmed to kill Jestress is a perfectly possible one.
>>22198900I'm much happier now than I would be as a deformed catamite. Thanks, but no thanks faggot.
>>22195003Good job on finding those events. Makes me wonder if each of those are kakera, something that will unlock the mystery of the Pandora, or simply a red herring?
>>22198623I agree, and I add her chocolate bar video. The happiest feeling Chloe could ever feel eating a chocolate bar would be to be if she were the last person on earth, humanity dead, and preparing to kill herself.That's exactly the kind of shit the Three Kings would appreciate and cultivate.
>>22198927>Mom seems to be connected to Keropoyo, or even be Keropoyo. I don't know where you're getting this.>The Jestress has completely different goals and personality.Different from... Keropoyo?
>>22194638ApocalypsisCiconia-I I think.
unironically wish ryukishi colored these himself instead of letting someone else do it
My only disappointment was that there were too few tracks.
>>22199020there were literally more than any of the other games started out with
>>22198965>I don't know where you're getting this.I thought it was obvious, but maybe I misread the clues.Keropoyo fights several time against evil Miyao. Evil Miyao expressly asks for his presence to be hidden from Keropoyo. After the whole 4d satellite printer thing, when Miyao asks Kero what he is, Kero says this.Which is exactly what Mom says in the end.
>>22199020The bulk of the soundtracks in these usually comes from the answer arcs, which we might not even get this time. I'll be very sad if we don't. Though RGD displayed the same trend, lots of great tracks making their introduction in the last two of the four present chapters
>>22199025>>22198965And this.
>>22199023There were too few good tracks.
calling it now. Instead of any witches/players showing up in person this will end up being Devilman with Miyao and Jayden>>22199030hard disagree
>>22198965And as for the goal and personality, Mom cares about Miyao. Jestress doesn't give a shit.
>>22199029The only thing that will stop WTC6 from happening is the same thing that would stop WTC5 from finishing at all, whatever the fuck Ryukishi meant by how he might not be able to continue writing this story depending on how people took the critical nature of the story
>>22199041This is like Higurashi, no Witch will directly show themselves, but you'll be able to see their outlines if you pay attention.
>>22197000I can definitely see the parallels as well; makes me wonder if Miyao is the anti-Christ/Satan due to supposedly being a murder program designed to bring about the end?
>>22199080Or more specifically a Devilman
>>22199080Alt-Miyao said that if he wanted to prevent the world from ending, he had to die, and that he was the cause of it all. My guess is that Miyao is Satan and will cross the door.>The Dragon is imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for a thousand years. (20:1–3)
patches for the different kettes when?
Deviltwink WALLS OF PEACEbaby
>>22199077what the fuck did he mean by this? did umineko's reception make R07 lose his balls or something?
>>22199077If he'd pussy out just like that, it's probably a story not worth telling anyways.
>You can't kill Lingji from the tips menu I like that he brought it back but it's just not the same>>22199100He might just be afraid that someone will try to kill him or something. Seeing how the spergs in this thread reacted to his writing about homos I wouldn't blame him if that was the case
>>22199080A few other biblical prophecy items worth identifying are the abomination of desolation and the mark of the beast. I would both laugh my ass off and not be surprised at all if the latter was Keropoyo. You can't uninstall him, after all
>>22199025>>22199031I never took those as literal direct quotes "from" Keropoyo. I read them as signs of Toujirou fucking with all of Miyao's systems. What better to manipulate him with than words from his own mother? We're never really given an indication that Keropoyo's communications to Miyao in particular are privileged as especially authentic or anything.>>22199076>Mom cares about Miyao. Jestress doesn't give a shit.She birthed him to be her game piece and then peaced the fuck out. Jestress makes the most sense at the moment through her connection to Toujirou. There is no evidence of a connection like that between Keropoyo and Toujirou.
>>22198043I looked forward to seeing Naima just so I could hear her say "wow" desu
>>22199030How many good tracks were there in Episode 1 of Umineko anyway? goldenslaughterer, system0, maybe the ending track whose name I forgot and deadangle.I personally consider Apocalypsis to be good. It's one against maybe 4 or 5, but still.
Adding to all the Bible shit, the runes are about this.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism_of_the_Gerasene_demoniac
Is nobody going to talk about how absolutely retarded Rethabile's last name is? "Africacommonwealthrealm". Holy shit.
>>22199167Yeah, when I read that shit I thought there was no way that was serious, but I guess we're rolling with it now
>>22199167royal families typically dont have a last name, or the last name is just their nations name desu
>>22199123Miyao doesn't remember his mother. Why would Toujirou fucks with him by sending him words without context, about something he doesn't remember?I read those scenes differently. The only thing evil Miyao fears is Kero, which fights several time for Miyao. Alone that would mean nothing (as Kero is probably programmed to help any user), but just after a bout of over-protectiveness, when asked, he says the exact same line that Mother says in the epilogue.To recap, the Frog is able to fight evil Miyao, makes evil Miyao afraid, is extremely protective of Miyao, and when asked repeats the exact same line as Miyao's mother. If the Frog isn't Miyao's mother he's at least connected.>Jestress makes the most sense at the moment through her connection to Toujirou.Takano makes just as much sense then, if you take only a vague connection to Toujirou as your prime argument. More sense even. Takano is Toujirou's ex, is probably crazy enough and knowledgeable enough to create Miyao, and while Jestress gives no fuck about Miyao, we don't know Takano's attitude toward him.
Do you think she makes porn animations?
>>22199181yeah. she does furry ones too
>>22199160I'm quite fond of Hope and Towering Cloud in Summer. Daydream's End is my favorite track in Umineko but I don't think that plays until the end of chapter 2
>>22199118If Keropoyo turns out to be the Beast/Mark of the Beast, I'll buy the bundled collection of Ciconia when it eventually comes out and send a poorly written Japanese letter to Ryukishi himself thanking him for the laugh
>>22199210Keropoyo will be the main antagonist poyo.
>>22199195Ciconia's BGM seriously suffered from not having zts involved. If zts was in, we'd probably have had something amazing for sure.
>>22199221dai is involved, so I'll like it no matter what. M.Zakky is also really growing on me. And Umineko's soundtrack is absurdly good, I'd robbing myself of much joy by comparing other things to it.
>>22199221What Ciconia needs is a soundtrack like Muv-Luv Altnerative/Starship Troopers
>>22199177>Miyao doesn't remember his mother. Why would Toujirou fucks with him by sending him words without context, about something he doesn't remember?Why would he feel compelled to kill someone he's never seen once shown their image? It's embedded in his subconscious.>the Frog is able to fight evil Miyao, makes evil Miyao afraidThese things aren't evidence that Keropoyo is related to Miyao's mom. I'm pretty sure he's just wary of Keropoyo because anyone carefully monitoring Miyao might be tipped off by Keropoyo suddenly detecting and quarantining unauthorized software.>TakanoWhat is the connection between Takano and Toujirou, exactly (outside of other works)? They're in the same scene at the end but she seems to be holding him at gunpoint. The Jestress seems to be someone Toujirou has known for a while to say something to the effect of "this reminds me of the first time we met".>caring for MiyaoThis is pretty tenuous. Again, she literally only had him to use him as a game piece and left him in the hands of fucking Toujirou. Who also says a bunch of nice things about how adorable he is but obviously in the end does not give a single fuck about him.
>>22199160HANE, Ride On, Hope, Fortitude, Fishy Aroma, Stupefaction, Worldend, goldenslaughterer, Core, System 0, Voiceless, Dead angle and Bring the Fate were all great. Umineko's soundtrack in general was just a lot better while most of Ciconia's tracks felt like they were just from a game. There's only like 5 or 6 tracks from Ciconia I'll probably listen to regularly.
>Everyone talking about how they want to impregnate Chloe, but not about how hot the frenchie is
>>22199279Who would want to impregnate a 3 euro welfare queen? Kimoi!
>>22199279>ryukishi hair clip>extended scene where she talks about how she appears female but we don't know her sexthink hes trying to tell us anything?
>>22199285Not to mention how flat she is! Pathetic!
So will we have repeating worlds yes or no?I'll be really disappointed if we don't, since that's my favorite part of WTC.
>>22199285>>22199294Almost every girl in this game deserves a good fuck.
>>22199279she was literally made for it dude
>>22199303It's escalated so far already that I'd be amazed to see him pulloff a whole 3 more phases without it.
>>22199305>Implying I don't want Chloevil to step on me, while still being interested in Naomi
>>22199303If we do, it'll happen less frequently.Maybe every other episode?
>>22199273>What is the connection between Takano and Toujirou, exactly (outside of other works)? They're in the same scene at the end but she seems to be holding him at gunpoint. The Jestress seems to be someone Toujirou has known for a while to say something to the effect of "this reminds me of the first time we met".I'll need to pinpoint the scenes, but there are two Toujirou scenes when they say "what about your ex? I dunno, she's doing her own Ark thing, I've got no contact".The ex doing her own Ark thing is obviously Takano in that context.While Takano seems to have a rich history with Toujirou, Jestress seems to give absolutely no fucks whatsoever about him, certainly not enough to hatch a plot of this calibre with him. They seem distant acquaintances at best.
>>22199221Is zts confirmed to not be involved in Ciconia at all? Would like it if his soundtracks are in Phase 3 or 4.
>>22199308see >>22197927It gains more credence each second.
>>22199320I don't think there have been any official statements, although it does make me somewhat scared that he had no involvement in Phase 1 at all.
>>22199325I'm pretty sure there was an official statement saying zts wouldn't be returning.
>>22199320>>22199325The opening scene lists a bunch of music credits that weren't used yet (Akiyama U2 off the top of my head), and zts wasn't in that list. I also remember around when this was announced that zts said on twitter he had no contact with 07th expansion about Ciconia, or something to that effect
>>22199333>>22199331Well shit. Let's hope Ciconia has an answer arc so he can come back.
>>22191426the ending better be goodI'm barely making it through
>walls of peace>walls of peace>walls of peace>walls of peace>walls of peace>walls of peace
>>22199411I'll destroy Miyao's walls of virginity.
>Omochikaeri~!>DESIRE!>WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE WALLS OF PEACE
one of my favorite tracks, 12_peritunematerial_ominous3_calm, is apparently stock music. lmao
>>22199279braindamaged
>>22199449Hey Higurashi was all stock music until the answer arcs and it had some great tracks. (dancers7 being my favorite)
>>22199449It's good so it doesn't matter.
>>22199449illumanti theme
is there porn yet
definitely missing zts but apocalypsisciconia-II is pretty good and definitely made that moment betteri hope preholder does more music, butlers theme is the best track in rgd
>>22199626Apocalypsis is probably the best track in the game. Doesn't really stand up to goldenslaughterer or anything, but the moment it's attached to really makes it come close.
Has someone uploaded the CG yet? The wings from the Christmas party were pretty good.
So, going by 8/16, can we assume Chloe has an evil personality? And she's unaware of it?
>>22199733I'd wager that her distance from others is in part because she *is* aware.
All of you have shit taste. If you wouldn't suck Alt-Miyao's dick you belong in the garbage can.
>>22199626i havent even started the game yet but i've been listening to this on repeat. damn, it's good
Are the modern earthquakes all caused totally by the underground science cult fucking around?
>>22199744i was 100 percent willing to suck miyaocock before i found out about meow
>>22199754I'd say it's implausible. When the Ark Lab created their earthquake-causing anti 8MS machine, it seemed to imply that it was a first for them. Certainly not a recurring thing they do every few months.Now that I think about it, it could be some preliminary testing, but this has been going on since WWIII, and I don't think the machine is implied to be this old. The Ark Lab itself is implied to not be this old.I don't know what cause the earthquakes. I'd say it's either the 8MS fucking up, seeing at it is a barely understood chaotic machinery launched at the end of WWIII, or maybe some sort of stuff linked to Wisdom. Maybe Wisdom appears randomly in the crest and causes earthquakes, but that's incoherent with the fact that it appears to be far older than WWIII.It could be anything, really. I think it's linked to what really happened in the third world war, what was hidden. Maybe some type of weapon.
Has anyone figured out what March 5th 1994 means?