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>>2216866
At the end of the game, Sora is already a robot, so Tsugumi has to be really, really open minded.

How You orchestrated the entire thing, I assumed that she had gotten into a position of considerable authority to be able to pull it off. Or she pulled a hell of a lot of strings. She had 17 years to prepare for it, which is enough time I suppose.

>>2216877

Well, considering Sora's outwardly realistic enough to pass as human (realistic skin, can show emotions...didn't it even imply she had body heat?), I wouldn't be surprised if whoever designed her included all the naughty bits. Possibly at her request.

>Everyone's immortal except for You-Aki, Hokuto, and Sara. Kinda sad that You-Haru, Takeshi, and Tsugumi are gonna have to watch their kids grow old and die while they stay young forever...

wasn't it stated that children of immortals are immortals themselves once they reach of age? They have Tsugumi's blood after all.

One thing I didn't get about Ever17:

If Blick Winkel is a being of the 4th dimension (which the game wrongly assumes is time) how could he be two different people in two different times (ie the one who tells the others to trick him and the one who gets tricked by himself)?

Obviously 3D beings such as ourselves can be considered different entities at different times and along different time paths/brances, but if 4D beings can move freely through time as we move through space there wouldn't be such a thing as two different versions of the same being at different times. For a 4D being each time is not a seperate world, just like for us 3D beings each location in space is not a seperate world.

There should only be one Blick Winkel moving throughout time, not multiple Blick Winkels stuck moving along seperate time paths (as is the case with the humans).

Hopefully that made sense. It was something that was bugging me a few weeks ago when I finished the game, but I forgot about it until I read this thread.

>>2216898
No, in fact it specifically explained how that's not the case.

>>2216898
Sara and Hokuto are half-Cure, and Tsugumi was relieved to know that, since they would not 'carry the same burden'. I assume being half gave them their extraordinary abilities, like Sara being a genius and Hokuto surviving a dive to the ocean floor, but does not give them the same level of resistance or immortality as Tsugumi.

>>2216898

It has been awhile, but I'm fairly certain its the opposite. The kids gain a few nifty abilities, but no immortality unless they're injected with the virus directly at a later date.

>>2216898
Actually, it said the exact opposite--while the infravision is a dominant trait, the immortality is recessive. And the Cure virus only works on pure humans, so half-and-half Sara and Hokuto got completely screwed.

I finished this a month ago and my head still hurts.

Also fuck I wish I used a walkthrough from the beginning, Tsugumis bad end was far more depressing than anything else I've read.

>>2216898
Kid certainly got a few abilities like being sensitive to heat. Pretty sure he will be able to a immortal later.

Suddenly black bars everywhere

>>2216904
Blick Winkel at some point gets dragged down to the base reality (due to Coco powers?) and forgets who he is, melding himself with Takeshi or Hokuto. Metaphorically speaking, it's like each time you start playing you, the player, think you are the player character. It takes Ever17 plot to tell you, the player, that you aren't your character but an entirely separate being from a superior dimension.

>>2216904
The game does get a bit vague on that, but I assumed that he suffered memory loss, which is obvious in the Kid scenarios. He lined himself up at a certain point in his 4D world to be visible to the 3D world, and since he is there and did not move, he did not pay attention. I know I sound vague, it's not that easy to explain.

>>2216904

Blick was never present at the same time with himself. He dissapeared with Takeshi's 'death' at the first incident, so when his future self came back to talk to You, the Blick of that time was no longer present. Something like anyway.

>>2216908
>>2216910
>>2216912
I see, thanks. Been a while since I played it. I can't open the game without hearing Karma and then my vision someone becomes fuzzy, like it's raining inside my room.

>>2216928
>somehow

since we are here, anyone played remember11 and other Kid games? I hear to understand one of them you have to play all the others, confirm/deny?

I felt bad about Sora too. I picked her route first (robot moe) and felt kinda gypped when it came to her. She was so moe at the end, internally fussing about being able to touch Takeshi. I could never get attached to Tsugumi... she never showed enough emotion or what she was thinking, even after learning her past, I still think she was kinda bitchy. Ah but that's my opinion.

How'd you figure You was a clone? that caught me by complete surprise. I think the only thing I kind of guessed was that Sara's dad looked pretty familiar.

>>2216933
They're independent of each other, but generally have the same elements. Never7 is more of a romantic story than the others, or so I heard.

>>2216928
WHY IS KARMA SO SAD AND/OR WHY IS IT THE MAIN TITLE MUSIC I MEAN THE GAME ITSELF ISN'T EVEN THAT SAD IT SHOULD BE HAPPY MUSIC.

>>2216940
There are clues about it given in You and Sara's paths, so it would not be illogical to come to that conclusion.

>>2216933
>since we are here, anyone played remember11 and other Kid games?
Never7, Remember11, Ever17 and 12Riven.
Never touched any of the Memories Off games, or any of their other shit.
>I hear to understand one of them you have to play all the others, confirm/deny?
Deny. But you'll start to notice interesting things you won't have noticed before if you've played multiple Infinity games - you understood Ever17 just fine without playing the others, right?

>>2216933
>I hear to understand one of them you have to play all the others, confirm/deny?
Deny. They're all set in the same universe, but they're not connected by story just elements. Never7's story for example has to do with Cure Syndrome.

>>2216949

How are the other games in the Infinity series? I recall someone saying they're awesome but a great deal more ambiguous when it comes to wrapping things up.

>>2216953
In a nutshell, Ever17 > Remember11 / 12Riven > Never7

Never7's still good, though.
Remember11 and 12Riven are a great deal more action-y than the others, but I felt they had great stories too. None of them are quite the ties-everything-together-at-the-end masterpiece that is Ever17, though.

>>2216940

Well, I pretty much figured it out as soon as You-Haru's face came on screen looking pretty exactly like an older You and making weird comments about being kinda You's mother but kinda not. Of course, depending on how high your Blatantly Obvious sensors are turned up (mine are pretty low), that might count as the point where it was revealed.

>>2216947
>>2216947

Because of this. ;_;

>>2216953
Never7 is more ambiguous with it's ending than Ever17 but it's not incredibly so. I just finished Remember11 like literally minutes ago though and have been left going, "WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?"

Trying to decide if I should make a thread now or get all the bad ends and do 100% completion first.

>>2216961
I hear it's supposed to be like that. Just started playing it myself, I'm up to Kokoro's first bodyswitch

>>2216959
Ah yeah that makes sense. I was probably too busy boggling over all the apparent "impossibilities" involving her parents deaths and whatnot.

Oh wait, I did figure out that the dog was a robot pretty quick. Though I figured the mention of her mother and teachers dog was just there to imply robot dogs exist in that world... durrhurr.

>>2216960

>masterpiece

you people who are playing the other games are fluent in moonspeak i'm assuming?

>>2216961

I'm going to assume you can read moonrunes, and thus nominate you choose neither of those and instead go help out with the translation.

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Remember11_-_the_age_of_infinity

>>2216966
Credits start. "Well that was pretty understandable, unanswered questions to puzzle about and a little more confusing than Never7 or Ever17 were but I don't get what all the fuss is about."
Credits end, epilogue. "Well this is sort of cute."
Last two scenes. ". . . W H A T ?"

So do we ever know what's REALLY up with Coco? Other than that she's psychic or something?

I love how Ever 17 threads always make maximum use of spoiler tags.

>>2216985

Nothing I've seen so far has disproved my current theory that she is Haruhi Suzumiya or a being like her.

>>2216985
She's delicious cake, you must eat.

>>2216990

Ever17 was the game spoiler tags were INVENTED for.

>>2216919
>>2216924
That makes a little more sense but I still have doubts. I'm trying to wrap my head around it but every time I think I know why it is or isn't possible something else pops up and ruins everything. Paradoxes are easy to stumble into whenever you're dealing with time travel so I guess I'll just leave it at that.

The temptation to read those black box is fucking strong. Guess I should get to read this

>>2216990
Must be an entire different group of people than the ones who read Type Moon VNs, since I've never seen a spoiler tag used in one of those threads.

>>2216866

The amusement park was rebuilt after the first disaster with insurance money using the original plans. You then got into enough of a position of authority that she was able to sabotage it again in a similar way. She probably wasn't entirely responsible for the rebuilding; I would assume that the company still wanted to hide their labs, and so would still need the cover of the park. Plus, the "official story" in the media is that everyone got out fine in the original disaster, so the park didn't get a particularly bad stigma as a result.

>>2216940
>I could never get attached to Tsugumi.

You lost me. Best character by far.

>>2217025
Getting spoiled for Ever17 would just be tragic, no one should be denied the experience.

>>2217012
You can do it, man. The best cure is to just get through the game as soon as you can. You will *not* be disappointed.

>>2217025

They are the same group.

Just that if you play Ever17 with spoilers, you will kill the enjoyment of shitting bricks.

>>2217025
The Ever 17 fanbase is quite unique on 4chan in that they want you to experience it for yourself, rather than fighting between themselves to see who can spoil the most for you in some kind of Internet dick-shaking contest.

>>2217025
I think it's assumed that everyone on /jp/ has played the TM VNs, so people don't go through the effort of spoiler tagging everything. Also the nature of those games make spoilers less detrimental to the overall enjoyment of them.

>>2217038
Well personally I was somewhat disappointed after hearing so much about it being the greatest VN in English ever. It's still very good though.

>>2217032
I just couldn't like her. I can't really like characters I can't understand. I mean sure, I can understand her being distant, mean, and suspicious when she was being put into the exact same tragic situation as years ago... but her regular back-story didn't make me feel like I could forgive her attitude most of the time. Seriously girl, lighten up a little, play some fuckin' kick the can. Even before the ending of her route, the very last thing you "did" with her before the final scenario was have her argue with you.

>>2217050
Ever17 is also hard to spoil concisely - there's no SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE equivalent that would make sense to someone who hadn't finished it anyway.

>>2217070
TSUGUMI AND TAKESHI ARE KID AND SARA'S PARENTS

Obviously doesn't spoil EVERYTHING, but IMO would have at least as big of an impact as SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE.

I fapped so hard to this one picture of You naked. ;_;

>>2217106
I was thinking that. Doesn't reveal EVERYTHING, but it'd definitely get the wheels turning. I can't even remember when exactly it reveals that Kid and Takeshi's paths take place 17 years apart, but that makes a lot of things fall into place, if someone figures that much out beforehand.

>>2217118
>>2217118

Just remind of the You H-scene.
Did anyone keep the screencap of it?

>>2217127
Don't you mean, pencap?

>>2217133
Yes that.

>>2217106
Ever 34

>>2217126

Can't remember the first time it's explicitly stated, but the first time it's implied is in You's route, when they're looking at the chat log about Yoichi's death and notice it's timestamped 2019. Everyone says "okay, that was 15 years ago" instead of "WTF CHATS FROM THE FUTURE."

>>2217157

I think the first time you notice the disrepancy is when you go the souvenir shop during kid route.

>>2217157
Yeah, I was pretty WTF at that time, and that's when my suspicions about Takeshi and Kid scenarios being at different time periods started.

>>2217063
>but her regular back-story didn't make me feel like I could forgive her attitude most of the time.

Seriously? I mean, different strokes for different folks, sure, but c'mon! Involved in a car crash and taken from her parents to 'hospital', spends the next 7 godamn years undergoing tests without making any real friends, learns she posseses a kind of contagious immortalilty and escapes, then spends the intervening years till the start of the game dodging hunters Leibliech sends after her. Not only does she have good reason to be suspicious of people, she is terrified that if she gets too close to someone they'll be cursed with immortality as well. Far easier to push others away then risk getting hurt.

One thing that bugged me is that they never explicitly explained what was up with the fluctuating life readings. Like, why did it go as high as 7 when there were only 6 living people in total? (Was it counting Chami, maybe?) Why was there always 1 left at the end? (I can MAYBE understand it picking up Coco in Takeshi's routes, but what about Kid's?)

>>2217195
Maybe it was picking up B.W.?

>>2217195

Coco is the remaing 1 obviously. I believe the fluctuating life sign is cause of blick winkel appearing and dissapearing.

>>2217127

>>2217195
The life readings reflected Blick's (the player's) perception. It was 6 at first because of the player thinking that Sora is real. Then it was 5. When the player thinks that Coco exists on the Kid path, it becomes 7.

>>2217206
>>2217208

Well, I guess, but the way I understood it, BW wasn't actually a physical being--he was just possessing Kid. I dunno. I'm pretty sleep-deprived right now, so I might have misunderstood it.

>>2217213
That makes a bit more sense. And it's a mark of just how insane this game is that that's actually a pretty reasonable explanation.

All those years and they didn't bother to check the IBF facility.

>>2217423
They were under specific orders not to.
Orders given via proxy by a 4-dimensional entity.
To an immortality disease carrier.

The biggest mystery for me is Pipi.First it found the Tief Blau vaccine. It also got Sora data disc and can swim on extreme pressure.

Its a freakin robot pet how did it managed to do those things?

>>2217434
They don't make those robo dogs like they used to.

>>2217431
Yes but You didn't have authority back then. She's just the daughter of a researcher.

At the very least they would have tried to recover the corpses there.

>>2216866
It's better than having children that are eternally babies.

I am You

lots of spoilertags.....
Ever 17 thread?

Thred Hidden.

I'm only at Day 3.

>>2217764
Wouldn't they stay fetuses, actually?

Minor point:

Infravision is something peculiar to Tsugumi's genetics, a result of her mutating after being infected. None of the others got it when they were given Cure based off of her antibodies.

>>2217157
Woah, I didn't even notice that.

Jeez, now I want to play through a couple routes again just to try and spot stuff.

bumping because thread is good.

fantastic! an Ever17 thread, does anyone have an upload anywhere of the soundtrack for this game? i've been searching for fucking ages for it, thanks

>>2219701
I second this actually, I can't seem to find the instrumental of the "sea and moon" song anywhere.

>>2219733
>>2219701
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TRYAJROE

The dates were a clue lost in translation.
The confusion was because of the ambiguity of numeric dates. Is it written as mm/dd/yy? yy/mm/dd? dd/mm/yy?
Kid hears that one date was fifteen years ago. He assumes that the 02 (February) means 2002, which is fifteen years ago from 2017. For everyone else who knows the correct date, the 19 in the date means 2019, but Kid thought that it meant the 19th of February.
I don't remember the exact date, but that's the gist of it..

>>2217434
Don't underestimate Japanese robotics.

>>2219852
I also just finished uploading the vocal collection.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zmmdnydtddy/Ever 17 - The Out of Infinity - Vocal Collection.zip

>>2220106
you are a hero

For those interested, here is the tracklist with translations of the (mostly German) titles.

01 - LeMU~遥かなるレムリア大陸~ (LeMU ~The far away land of Lemuria~)
02 - Insel Null (Zero Island)
03 - Ersteboden (First floor)
04 - Zweitestock (Second floor)
05 - Drittestock (Third floor)
06 - Lemurianische Ruine (Lemuria Ruins)
07 - Kosmisher Wal (Cosmic Whale)
08 - Qualle (Jellyfish)
09 - Karussell Delphine (Dolphin Carousel)
10 - Weiβer Hund (White dog)
11 - IBF Notfall (IBF Emergency)
12 - Tief Blau (Deep Blue)
13 - Kopfsprung (Dive)
14 - Traum In Der Dunkelheit (Dream in the Darkness)
15 - Hologramm (Hologram)
16 - Das Absuchen (The Scanning)
17 - Gedächtnisschwund (Amnesia)
18 - Drittes Auge (Third Eye)
19 - Klamauk (Slapstick)
20 - Heilmittel (Remedies)
21 - Wiedergeburt (Rebirth)
22 - Karma
23 - Der Mond Das Meer (The Moon, The Sea)
24 - Je Nach (The Afternoon)
25 - Drittes Auge Nehmen (Taking the Third Eye)
26 - Aqua Stripe

Bah, heilmittel doesnt sound right on a keyboard, which is depressing
I should really get around to fixing how I play karma as well.

Does everybody else Cry like a little bitch at the scene in Coco's path where Kid reveals everything to Sara and Tsugumi?

I do. Every time. That and the scene afterwards cemented Tsugumi as my favorite character. Best Mom ever ;_;

>>2220657

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>>2220700

Yes ;_;

Not to spoil your mood, but I guessed everything but the 4d before the final route.
Even that was hinted at in two different routes, but more of a 'third eye' awakening and less a different being.

Also, why can't they use sunscreen? Seems much easier...

Also, fuck spoiler tags.

>>2220798
Reported.