/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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That's a really useful post, thank you.

>>209115
wow ancient japanese was really crazy!

>>209113
You're welcome.

... and although I gave up before half-way through, touyou kanji are general use kanji. There's another 2000 kanji for the next level beyond that.

Batshit crazy my good man

Is that really 1850 kanji? it actually doesn't look like that much.

>>209115
>>209117
0/10

Assuming you already know a basic 300, learn 10 a day with revision to one's you've learnt and you can finish up in half a year.

Asian languages = fucking stupid.

>>209124
I stoppped half-way through.

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続　繊　欠　 罪　置　罰　 署　罷　羊　 美　着　群　 義　羽　翁　 翌　習　翼　 老　考　者　 耐　耕　耗　 耳　聖　聞　 声　職　聴　 粛　肉　肖　 肝　肥　肩　 肪　肯　育　 肺　胃　背　 胎　胞　胴　 胸　能　脂　 脅　脈　脚　 脱　脹　腐　 腕　脳　腰　 腸　腹　膚　 膜　膨　胆　 臓　臣　臨　 自　臭　至　 致　台　与　 興　旧　舌　 舎　舗　舞　 舟　航　般　 舶　船　艇　 艦　良　色　 芋　芝　花　 芳　芽　苗　 若　苦　英　 茂　茶　草　 荒　荷　荘　 茎　菊　菌　 菓　菜　華　 万　落　葉　 著　葬　蒸　 蓄　薄　薦　 薪　薫　蔵　 芸　薬　藩　 虐　処　虚　 虜　虞　号　 蚊　融　虫　 蚕　蛮　血　 衆　行　術　 街　衝　衛　 衡　衣　表　 衰　衷　袋　 被　裁　裂　 裏　裕　補　 装　裸　製　 複　襲　西　 要　覆　見　 規　視　親　 覚　覧　観　 角　解　触　 言　訂　計　 討　訓　託　 記　訟　訪　 設　許　訴　 診　詐　詔　 評　詞　詠　 試　詩　詰　 話　該　詳　 誇　誌　認　 誓　誕　誘　 語　誠　誤　 説　課　調　 談　請　論　 諭　諮　諸

>>209126
only kidding
>>209131
is really 0/10

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酷　酸　 酔　醜　医　 醸　釈　里　 重　野　量　 金　針　鈍　 鈴　鉛　銀　 銃　銅　銑　 銘　鋭　鋼　 録　錘　錠　 銭　錯　錬　 鍛　鎖　鎮　 鏡　鐘　鉄　 鋳　鑑　鉱　 長　門　閉　 開　閑　間　 閣　閥　閲　 関　防　阻　 附　降　限　 陛　院　陣　 除　陪　陰　 陳　陵　陶　 陥　陸　陽　 隆　隊　階　 隔　際　障　 隣　随　険　 隠　隷　隻　 雄　雅　集　 雇　雌　双　 雑　離　難　 雨　雪　雲　 零　雷　電　 需　震　霜　 霧　露　霊　 青　静　非　 面　革　音　 韻　響　頂　 項　順　預　 頒　領　頭　 題　額　顔　 願　類　顧　 顕　風　飛　 翻　食　飢　 飲　飯　飼　 飽　飾　養　 餓　余　館　 首　香　馬　 駐　騎　騰　 騒　駆　験　 驚　駅　骨　 髄　体　高　 髪　闘　鬼　 魂　魅　魔　 魚　鮮　鯨　 鳥　鳴　鶏　 塩　麗　麦　 麻　黄　黒　 黙　点　党　 鼓　鼻　斎　 歯　齢

There's all your general use kanji.

Not a big deal.

Where's the furigana?

>>209152

The general use is actually 1945 kanji, but your average 9th grader knows 2600+ for names. According to the textbooks at work.

>>209256

Furigana is kana written above kanji.

>>209291

Those 2600 include Jyouyou Kanji

Also the touyou list you OP pasted is freakin' old

You should have paested this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji

I used to know over half of these, until I stopped taking classes a year ago. I now only know about 200 of them ;_;

>>209331

Soon you'll know only 50 and then 0. All your kanji experience points obviously will go back to zero and the feds will erase your memory. Think twice before attempting to learn kanji again.

>>209331
it gets lost that fast? Holy crap.

I'm taking classes this year and we're only at about 150-200 or something...however, unless I decide to take classes over the summer...I plan on learning a vast amount on my own.

Now, I've already got a method planned out, so let's NOT start a "what's the best method" / heisig vs. anti-heisig / whatever..
BUT


My TA found this book "Kanji in Mangaland"
It seems like a pretty friendly book...
anyone know anything about it? Not many reviews on Amazon, but the ones that are there weren't bad

>>209356

It's a lot faster when you do it on your own. Don't waste time with the the others, and take classes or talk to people only when you want to TEST or IMPROVE your skills.

>>209377
for learning kanji, it's obviously easier to learn on your own...which is what I'm doing, and which is why I asked my TA to find a good kanji learning book for me
Of course, she learned in school, so she doesn't know of any...

But for actually learning the language? Sure, for you it might be better/easier to learn on your own, but for me, being in class is 100x more efficient, as long as I keep doing studies on my own on the side.

>>209143
Asian languages are unnecessarily complicated. Therefore, they are fucking stupid.

>>209434
if you look at the spoken language though, English is a lot more complicated than Japanese. So it sorta evens out.

>>209356
Completely false. Once you get it you won't forget, >>209331 probably never knew anything to begin with.

JAPANESE IS A SHIT LANGUAGE. Any language that requires you to use a completely new set of vowels and method of speaking (keigo) is shit by default.

To politely speak in english, you only need to add the words "please", "thank you", and "sir/ma'am", and not use the words "dude", "fuck", or "fuckin'".

In japan, many recently graduated college students take extra classes because they either don't know how to speak keigo, or they don't know how to properly use keigo in the workforce.

JAPANESE IS A SHIT LANGUAGE. Any language that requires you to use a completely new set of vowels and method of speaking (keigo) for polite speech is shit by default.

To politely speak in english, you only need to add the words "please", "thank you", and "sir/ma'am", and not use the words "dude", "fuck", or "fuckin'".

In japan, many recently graduated college students take extra classes because they either don't know how to speak keigo, or they don't know how to properly use keigo in the workforce.

>completely new set of vowels

lol wut

>>209492
English is in fact quite simpler to speak politely, since it's just tone and vocabulary, whereas nearly all other European languages use a specific conjugation person to replace the less formal "you".

>>209434

> Asian languages are unnecessarily complicated. Therefore, they are fucking stupid.

The whole world is unnecessarily complicated. The best thing for you to do is to sit in your basement and watch crappy animy. Leave the thinking part to others.

>>209492

> Any language that requires you to use a completely new set of vowels

Any language that requires you to learn the actual language you mean?

> graduated college students take extra classes

Because they're prolly just as bright as you are.

>>209309
Thank you btw

>>209533
Learning and using the polite form is not very difficult, really.

>>209564
seriously, we just started it in class today (and i mean JUST started...barely at all) but while it's a little tougher, it's nothing to commit seppuku about

yeah...weeaboo..sorry

>>209564
which is why a news anchor was killed a few years ago by the uyoku for not using the correct keigo form when reffering to the emperor, rite?

romanji words are even more complex and we have more than 80,000, you might think that you read the sylabes or the letters but NO, you in fact read each word as a separated drawing, so in fact japanese writing compared is shit with only like 10,000 kanjis, and they only use 1945 officially

>>211008
>romanji

>>211008
Let's not be silly.

If you're going to go with the whole "OMG Kanji looks so tough how do they do it" line of thought, you obviously don't know much Japanese yet. It is pretty easy to learn Kanji when you have an actual context to attach it to.

English works the same way as Kanji in the brain, do you sound out every specific letter of a word? No, you get used to what the full words themselves look like. That's why it's possible to read so fast. Kanji isn't really all that much harder than English writing when you put it in context. True, you have to be more experienced to start off using it, but at fluency they're pretty similar in the end.

I don't like studying Kanji, because I feel like that's the wrong way to approach it. I learn them by using and seeing them over and over again.

Idiotic thread is idiotic.

>>211008

What this man says. Well... ok he didn't mention that you can combine kanji in 1001 ways but there's a lot of truth in that.

how do they understand each other when all they can say is question mark?

>>211008
Threre are like almost 100.000 Kanji in the largest Kanji dictionary. Then again you can create as many Kanji as you want if you combine them together.
But it's true, you only need a small fraction of them. Althoguh 1945 is barely enough. In reality you're better off with a few hundred more.

>>211053
Whitespace matters.

>>211044

> I don't like studying Kanji, because I feel like that's he wrong way to approach it.

What's the worst thing that can ever happen to you as a result of choosing a wrong memorizing technique (studying kanji separately in this case)? The mind is very flexible, it won't crash or reset because of you feeding it different data.

Piracy may also "feel wrong" (mostly thanks to the propaganda in mass media) yet many people choose not to believe that it is essentially wrong.

OK you may waste some time on whatever method you are sceptical about (if it turns out to be in fact bad, because the attitude ONLY, can heavily affect the way things go) but you'll receive something valuable in return - you will know what works for you (and what doesn't). IMHO that experience is worth all the wasted minutes.

As long as the method is enjoyable EVERY approach is good IMHO. If it's boring it's a waste of time.

Also, I prefer to combine different things together and use them at the same time. Trying to attack the enemy from different directions through different means. Not just one tactic, but thousands of them. Whatever makes the enemy weaker.

>>211068

>you can create as many Kanji as you want

You mean kanji compounds. You can't like... create your own characters LOL

>>211263
Only because nearly every single possible combination of radicals have been used. It would be possible with an overly-complicated kanji, but getting everyone else to start accepting it would be a problem.

>>211068
100.000 kanji, or 100.000 combinations of kanji?

>>211263
New characters can be created, and this is possible in Hong Kong I believe for given names, but I'm not sure if this is still the case.

Of course you can't create a new character and have everyone use it just like that, the same goes for the Latin letters.

>>211296
The total amount of Chinese characters (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, old Vietnamese characters taken together) easily exceeds 100.000. Roughly 2000 is basic Japanese, 3~4000 for newspapers and academic work and perhaps 6000 if you include all names and such.

>>211296

Around 100,000 Kanji CHARACTERS (they have historical value but aren't used ...except the 2000 jouyou). The number of kanji compounds is probably in millions, just like the number of combinations of words in the English language. LOL

>>211344

> New characters can be created, and this is possible in Hong Kong I believe for given names, but I'm not sure if this is still the case.

Wow, sounds cool. LOL. At least it's still evolving.

looool
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>>211371
No need for anymore characters. You can combine them to form all you need.

>>211344
You don't know what you're talking about. Newspaper STICK to the jouyou list, which is 2k kanji. 6000 would include obsolete kanji which you'll never see in any modern name.

>>211350
Kanji = japanese characters
Hanzi = chinese characters

There are NOT 100k kanji.

o_e

>>211350
Also kanji compound is not equivalent to the english combination of words. It's a lot more like the german compounds (frühstuck, kindergarten etc.), which there aren't really millions of. Japanese also has a more limited vocabulary than most western languages.

/bitchin'

Kanji is a lot less intimidating when you break it down into radicals.

For example: 人 = hito = person.
言 = i(u) = to speak
信 = shin = to believe, and you can see that it's made up of 人　on the left and 言 on the right written together as one kanji.

There's lots of example like this but many kanji are made up of 2 or three radical combinations

>>211474
この人の言うことを信じます。

>>211577
lol, clever

i believe them too, because it's true

>>211474

too bad there are monsters like 鬱　to fuck up your shit

>>211657
Show me where that lives in the wild.

>>211294
That isn't even close to true.

>>211424

> Kanji = japanese characters
I was referring to all chinese characters, big deal.

>>211450
Fine but it's close enough.

>>211657
nah, 鬱 is composed of
木 + 缶 + 木 + 冖 + 鬯 + 彡

once you break it apart everything becomes a lot more simple

>>211657

And that's when your IME comes in.

Also there are only (I think, can't remember) 6 basic stroke TYPES, of which all characters are made of.

Shit I just pulled that number out of my ass, can't remember what it really was LOL.

温故知新

>>209100

Stop complaining stolen characters, you can't learn it because you didn't know the root of those characters nor know the real system behind it. I fucking hate weaboos.

>>211657
a simple google search yields about 28 million results.
Shocking...until you realize that they actually changed it to include 郁

which is more common? I have no idea, but the fact that they allowed the other one to show up shows that it's probably a lot more common

>>211474

The only weaboo who actually knows something.

>>209131
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>>211657

FUCK YOU ALL.

>>212039
yeah, he's definitely right that it's easier to break it up into radicals...but i mean come on....

duh

>>212039
Stop praising your own posts.

>>211474

I get what you're saying on a basic level. But sometimes identifying radicals is a bit tough. I'm very new to the language, so my kanji knowledge is hilariously small (we've only done maybe thirty? including numbers).

I do, however, see where you're coming from, since the 言 I can in 語と話.

I'm just having difficulty seeing the 人 radical instead of イ, which is perhaps a personal shortcoming or relative inexperience.

Do most of the radical combinations work inasfar as helping to define a word, or are they just clumped together at random?

>>212124

>Do most of the radical combinations

Every kanji contains only ONE radical, which is just a kanji element used for indexing. One of the ways of calling the parts that build up the kanjis is "primitives" (from the heisig book), or just kanji elements. By calling them radicals you may confuse people.

loool
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushu

> work inasfar as helping to define a word, or are they just clumped together at random?

The drawings and symbols used to represent something 1000 years ago. Nowadays, sometimes not even anthropologist can tell what the people from the past were thinking of.

I've come up with a compromise between Heisig and non-heisig fags: learn the REAL radicals, and use his "method" of coming up with stories to remember how they are made.

Fuck, 好 as in "好き” is a "woman" and "child." Now, in the ancient times, a woman with a child is fertile..and in the old times, something that is fertile is ...so you LIKE it

Learn the radicals, they're helpful on their own, use them to make "stories" (AS WELL AS learn the meanings/readings/context)
Heisig only teaches you how to learn to write them...use THAT, but then learn them actually on your own.

>>214199
Ugh, mnemonics...

I find writing it down 20 times in and out of context is more than enough.

http://www.sikoku.jp/kanji/ <-- doesn't have all the kanji, but it provides printable worksheets with proper stroke order.

>>214199

> Learn the radicals,

Those things you talk about ARE NOT RADICALS. Read the damn wikipedia article OR ANY FREAKING KANJI BOOK EVER MADE plz.

Radicals are NOT those tiny elements that make a kanji.

It's one of the many gaijin BS like writing "romaNji" instead of "romaji" or saying "watashi wa anata wo au", damn.

>>216035

> I find writing it down 20 times in and out of context is more than enough.

If that works for you then fine. Most people don't like repetitive and therefore boring things (including myself).

>>212194

That's why I said it's useless for you weaboos because Kanji is stolen characters. In real Chinese, radical represents what that character is associated with, and then the rest can be other characters related to the character's meaning or characters that tells you the pronunciation. All these are not working anymore because Japanese has a total different pronunciation and sometimes the meaning is slightly different.

>>216560

It better than nothing, xi-fu.

This thread is an eyesore.

Wow,I can see where ZUN got the idea for Touhou...
Seriously I like this kind of stuff,I need to bone up and learn some Japanese.

Then Spanish,German and member some Russain.

>>216626
Better than the million other threads with generic anime girl visual novel stuff

>>216645
Yea and it's been here since Friday. This thread is an eyesore. Literally.

>>216608

Another thing to help clear any confusion is if you know the radical, you would know which character to use even there are couple similar characters. E.g. 傷/場/楊/陽/揚 how to you separate those? You notice the first one with the "Human" radical, so it means that word should be related to person, i.e. "hurt", the 2nd one with "earth" radical, so you know it means "field/stadium", 3rd is associated with "wood", i.e. it's a kind of tree. 4th one has radical means "place/location", i.e. it is associated with environment/surrounding, in this case means sunlight or sunny. 5th one has "hand" as radical, that means an action associated with hand, in this case it means "shake/fling". You must be wondering why they share the same parts. It's because they all have very similar pronunciation in Mandarin, "Shang1/Chang2/Yang2/Yang2/Yang2" Yes, there are many characters share same pronunciation in Chinese, so it's the phrase or vocabulary associated that helps distinguish these characters.
Another example, 健/建/鍵 1st one has "human being" as radical so the meaning is associated with human beings, in this case "health". 2nd one has the "structure/form" as radical, so it means "build". 3rd one has "metal/gold" as radical, so it means "Key" or nowadays also means "keyboards". Again, they all share the same pronunciation, "Jian" in Mandarin and "ghin" (I make this phonetic up coz no official system in Cantonese) in Cantonese.

All these are the Chinese system anyways, I don't know if it still holds true for Japanese... Hope it's helpful to you guys too.

I study Kanji based off the lists provided by the Yoshida institute (for the proficiency test).

http://www.yosida.com/en/kanji.php?level=4&page=1

Kanji count
level 4-103
level 3-181
level 2-739
level 1-1017

Total = 2040 kanji

haha I know all of them do I win now?
Now if you want to remember them, try learning the Chinese way, I think it's actually easier for starters.

I just go by the list on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyōiku_kanji
adding a kanji a day, and a few more on the weekends, to some Anki-like program I use. I'm more than halfway through the list now and it works better than anything I've tried before (Heisig and the like), though I'm way more consistent with studying nowadays.

I'll probably be switching over to the Joyo kanji list in a few more months.

>>6476997
Don't be intimidated by the corset anon, if you have some experience in sewing then you can make a corset. The key is that if you have never done it before to make a mock up and make sure it's fitted before you start on the actual corset. Use a sturdy fabric like a twill or denim for the mock up.

Another tip is, if you are not looking for actual waist reduction and you are just looking for structure (and some slight reduction/accentuation of your existing assets) you can bone with the really thick plastic cable ties you buy at the hardware store. You can also use them for your corset mock up so you know how many bones you need before you buy them.

>>216522
...OK...I used a link that YOU SUPPLIED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushu
which redirects to "Radical (Chinese Character)"

Granted, I didn't actually read the article...all I'm stating is that you can USE HEISIG's "method" (mnemonics) ON TOP OF of other studies.

Do I know the radicals? No! Did I claim to? No!
I just used the same example that they had on the Wikipedia article that YOU supplied which was entitled "Radical"

So don't get all mad because I'm suggesting a method to learn from.

>>217821

> Granted, I didn't actually read the article...all I'm stating is that you can USE HEISIG's "method" (mnemonics) ON TOP OF of other studies.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Heisig.

> Do I know the radicals? No! Did I claim to? No!
> I just used the same example that they had on the Wikipedia article that YOU supplied which was entitled "Radical"
Just wanted to point out (this is my third post explaining the exact same, but I think I wasn't too clear LOL sorry) that the word "radical" is used to describe ONE main component in the kanji. Every kanji has ONE RADICAL. 女 and 子 in 好 are NOT RADICALS (and nowhere in that article you can find those parts referred to as such). The radical of 好 is 女. The radical in 字 is 子. Only one.

Why does it matter? It's because the list of the actual radicals contains only a tiny fraction of all different parts and elements that make up kanji.

Using that word when talking about the different parts of kanji (and that's what you did) is like calling HIRAGANA another type of kanji. It creates CONFUSION.

> So don't get all mad because I'm suggesting a method to learn from.
LOLWUT. Who's mad? Whatever works for a person. IMHO combining all approaches together strategically is the best "method".

Can someone translate this for me?

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>>218287

Yeah, it means □□□□□□□□□□□□□□□□ □□□□□□□□□□□□□□ □□□□□□ ?????????????????????????????????????? ？？？？？？？？？？？

>>218239
ok, well then we're in agreement (more or less)

My main point is that you can use heisig's "method" (just the mnemonics, making stories) to remember how to write them...
I think heisig's got that going for it, but at the same time, do some traditional studying in order to remember them.

Radicals
OK, so there's only 1 radical per kanji. That doesn't mean that you shouldln't learn them.

Hell, if 女　and 子　are both radicals, well then unless I'm talking to someone else, in my mind, I'll remember 好　the way that helps me remember it.

You say there are a vast amount of other elements that go into it as well. That's fine, just add some 'primitives' as heisig calls them, or remember what they are in some way or other. However, for all purposes that I'm thinking, regardless of whether they're radicals or anything, the mnemonicness of it isn't changed.


Sorry I thought you were getting mad. I thought you had an elitist "you're a fucking dumb ass kill yourself because you're an idiot who will never learn kanji" kind of mindset to your post. Sorry.

>>218727

>OK, so there's only 1 radical per kanji. That doesn't mean that you shouldln't learn them.

Who said you shouldn't learn them.

>Hell, if 女　and 子　are both radicals,

Separately (as in index references), yes. In one kanji no. One kanji has only one radical which is (or supposed to be) the part that gives kanji it's 'main' meaning.

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with learning methods or heisig whatsoever. This has been decided by chinese and the japanese many years ago. I was talking about the ENGLISH WORD "radical" you used and only that part, nothing else.

> well then unless I'm talking to someone else, in my mind, I'll remember 好　the way that helps me remember it.

Aye okaye

>>218857
it has nothing to do with learning methods...
but unless I'm misunderstanding something, I'm incorporating it into a learning method.
If you already know the radicals...for indexing purposes, so then 女 and 子　are allowed to exist individually, then it's kind of tough not to see them both in 好. It'll help you memorize things the same way heisig's 'primitives' develp a story. Instead of using his 'primitives' you use a selection of 'radicals' which are useful in their own regard, instead of 'primitives' which may or may not have any meaning

>>218287
>>218495
This gag never gets old.

>>218919

> If you already know the radicals...for indexing purposes, so then 女 and 子　are allowed to exist individually, then it's kind of tough not to see them both in 好.

See them as whatever you like only don't use the word "radical" when referring to those parts if they build up a character. In this context they are no longer "radicals" (ie index reference kanji parts), they become something else.

You can say that 好 contains 子 which otherwise is a radical in 学子字季孫存孝孤 and 孔, but in 好 it's just a primitive/element/part/symbol/whatever.

Now a crappy analogy. No matter how many countries (radicals) a person (kanji) visits he/she has ONE country of origin (radical). ONE. NOT 2. NOT 3. ONE. If you was in France once you don't say "I've been in my country of origin called France" (the kanji 好 contains a 'radical' 子 (which it doesn't)) if you weren't BORN THERE! Doesn't matter how important role it has in your life or if other people were born in that country or not. You use a different word like "favorite place" or something.

>>218919

> It'll help you memorize things the same way heisig's 'primitives' develp a story. Instead of using his 'primitives' you use a selection of 'radicals' which are useful in their own regard, instead of 'primitives' which may or may not have any meaning

Maybe, maybe not. It all makes sense in stuff like 休 (person + tree = rest) but in 97% of 常用漢字 it's just plain randomness and chaos.

Trying to make sense out of the "original old stories" in stuff like 別 (means "separate", 口 mouth + 勹 wrapping + 刀 sword) will take you even longer and eventually you'll find yourself re-doing heisigs work because there's simply too much nonsense out there. By the way in this case primitives have the exact same meaning originally as the ones heisig assigned them (which is normally true anyway for almost all characters in the book).

That was my experience, yours may be different.

Without special stories or real life experiences in an asian country or something that replace those original meanings that were supposed to make sense to chinese person thousands of years ago (but they don't any more) the data gets lost. Of course unless you're into either masochism (repeating stuff 50 times to find out you can't recall anything after 4 months, this is why so many people here go like "I USED TO KNOW 1000, NOW I KNOW 10") or are a japanese child born in japan with yet little creative memory (like all children) and can afford learning 8 years in school (which I can't for example).

>>218919
Yes, but a single kanji still only has one radical.
It may have more than one component, though.

>>220004

別 should be broken down to 另 and 刀 instead. The true written form were lost during the computerization. If you look at old books, you should see the little difference form of this character. 另 means "other" and 刀 is knife, therefore 別 means "separate" or "particular".

Holy shit, this thread's still going.

>>220459

For example, look at the character 漢 and the same character in OP's picture, you notice the difference in writing? Somehow many people forgot the real written form of proper traditional Chinese. That's why you see all these variations and you think you cannot break it down or explain its formation.

>>220459

另 other + 刀 sword still doesn't sound much like separation unless you add a story to it, like "you're cutting off a part to make it SAPARATE", or "people who use swords and kill others are different from the rest of society and they SEPARATE themselves"... and this is exactly what heisig does.

Telling the original story if it's easy to remember or making a whole new one if the original got lost or doesn't make any sense to westerners and just adds up to confusion.

My fav example is 黒 (black, looks like a burning computer). Sure 里 means village but it looks like a damn computer LOL. Thinking about it as a joke won't confuse you (but will save a lot of time) the same way you wouldn't confuse a cigarette with a homosexual (fag) or a man's instrument with Dick Chaney (although he's a huge dick).

Also 另 is not in the general use japanese kanji LOL, and a honkey's goal normally is to learn the 常用漢字 first and then worry about the rest.

Weeaboo 4 lyfe >:3

>>219992
well in 学字季存孝 the char 子 is not the radical. radicals in modern hanzi usually only show some vague and general meaning of the characters and are for indexing only. radicals of the first four are the upper part and the last one it's either part.
what some are talking about is actually the meaning-pronounciation structure which will help you remember a lot of similar charaters. sometimes the meaning part is the radical and sometimes they are not the same thing because radicals are for indexing and need not mean anything.
There are a few types of hanzi now in use, the most frequent being strcture-meaning type, other than that you have the pictographic character, charater made up of two parts that are both meaningful and other minor kinds.

>>221648

> well in 学字季存孝 the char 子 is not the radical

Dunno according to kanjidic (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/kanjidic.html)) they all are.

And... according to http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AD%90%E9%83%A8 存 and 学 of those that you have mentioned also have 子 as a radical. But wait why the article doesn't say anything about the rest? Holy crap, not sure who to believe any more LOL.

Is it possible that the 部首 indexing is different in china and japan and that there are many different "schools" of indexing in all CJK (China Japan Korea) or something? Or is it that some sources are spreading misinformation?

>>211474

For example: 人 = hito = person.
為 = tame= for
人の為 = hito no tame = For the person
偽り = ituwa(ri) = Lie
偽 = nise = Imitation

For example: 者 = mono / jya = person.
信 = shin = to believe
信者 = shinjya = Believer
儲ける = mou(keru) = make money ,It gains.
偽者 = nisemono = Pretender

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