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Welp, it was a good run, but ZUN has completely run out of character ideas. It took the combined efforts of the entire fanbase to come up with a decent corrected design for Hell Crow, how the Christ are we supposed to make a rat moe?

>> No.2209302

>>2209291
What are you talking about? She's already moe.

Fuck you.

>> No.2209304

are you fucking kidding me?
she's probably the most canon moe character in a while. like, since nitori.

>> No.2209309

Mouse loli is awesome

>> No.2209307

You say that like ZUN's youkai ideas are original

Maybe like.... two of them.

>> No.2209315

Oh is the same troll that has been reposted since the demo was release
what up

>> No.2209319

Fuck you, Nazrin is adorable

>> No.2209324

ZUN should stop making new characters already and focus on the ones that are already there. Seriously is he aiming for the title of the biggest cast in a video game?

>> No.2209331

>>2209291
Utsuho is easily one of his finest.

>> No.2209336

>>2209324
Don't see why he should, Reimu and Marisa are enough.

>> No.2209339

>>2209324
>Stop making new characters

I bet you are one of those non-players who can't remember all of the names, baw more

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nazrin
nazirin
nazi rin

>> No.2209356

Nazrin is the best character in a long time

>> No.2209357

>>2209331
ugh no
only her fight and song are good, but her design is so ugly it makes my SA crash

>> No.2209362

>>2209356
I like her, but no she's not. 90% of SA's cast is better than her.

>> No.2209370

>>2209357
Well, nobody can expect a tripfag to have good taste.

>> No.2209372

>>2209357
>design is so ugly

ZUN drew her, genius. Hurf durp herp.

>> No.2209387

>>2209339
pathetic.

>> No.2209402

How long until we see 'Chen and Nazrin' comics in the vein of Tom and Jerry?

>> No.2209412

>>2209372
ZUN also drew Patchy and her design isnt as retarded and ugly as Utsuho's

>> No.2209418

>>2209412
I'd say Patchy's design is far worse, she's just a boring character.

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>>2209412
You really don't think this looks kind of retarded?

>> No.2209430

New character's a rat eh?

>> No.2209432

>>2209424
moe~

>> No.2209434

>>2209402
want

>> No.2209436 [DELETED] 

>>2209412
You, sir, are a fucking retard. Either that or a troll. Either way, leave.

>> No.2209439

>>2209412
Patchy and Utsuho are both on my high tier in terms of design, but lol opinion so let's just leave it at that

>> No.2209445

>>2209412
So are you fucking retarded or just trolling?

>> No.2209460

>>2209439
I personally love Utsuho and don't particularly care for Patchy. But I respect your opinion.

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>>2209445
>>2209439
>>2209418
>>2209424
Just look at this and say Patchy's design is worse.

>> No.2209474

>>2209470
Patchy's design is worse.

Yeah, I went there.

>> No.2209475

>>2209470
It's far far worse.

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>>2209474
>>2209475

>> No.2209498

>>2209470
THATS originality

>> No.2209504

>>2209470
I gotta be honest with you, Patchy's is fucking god awful compared to that. And I like Patchy.

>> No.2209509

>>2209470
...I actually do think Patchouli's design is worse than that.

Not that Utsuho's is particularly good, but still.

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>>2209498

>> No.2209524

>>2209470
At least she looks SOMEWHAT threatening. Patchouli on the other hand...

>> No.2209535

I can't believe I'm the only one who finds Patchy's design cute and awesome and Utsuho's ugly and retarded

>> No.2209545

I like them both.

>> No.2209555

Who gives a shit if their design is bad or not? You barely see them when you're playing the game. Oh wait, the faggots complaining never play the game.

>> No.2209558

>>2209535

Sup, I'm the OP.

That was sort of the entire point of my post.

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>>2209535
You aren't.

>> No.2209561

>>2209535
I think they're both cute.

Idort etc.

>> No.2209578

>>2209535
I don't have a problem with Utsuho's design, but I prefer nightgown moe~ myself.

>> No.2209579

I loved how ZUN's art really improved.

And i liked Mousy, fuck you.

>> No.2209580

>>2209558
Yes, we get it, you have poor taste, now go play the games, or rather, don't.

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>>2209560
Mmh, I'll correct myself. I think Patchouli's design is cute. Okuu's is kind of over the top, with the amount of stuff on her, but she is still moe. Birdbrain moe~

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>>2209583

>> No.2209613

>>2209339
Are you retarded? Why would a non-play care for canon? He's right as well. Zun is being lazy and letting all the fans decide the personalities with the comics. Instead why doesn't he give more in depth explanations?

>> No.2209639

>>2209613
Because it's a fucking shmup.

>> No.2209661

>>2209613
>>2209324
You guys are pretty stupid.

>> No.2209660

Orin and Satori are okay. I don't give a shit about any other character in and after SA. And rats are stupid.

>> No.2209700

Whats wrong with Utsuho's design? She's got a cockhead on her chest and a gunarm, seems fine to me.

>> No.2209693

>>2209661
>>Hurr Durr

>> No.2209702

>>2209613
Because he doesn't give a fuck. If he wanted to make something DEEP, he'd make a VN, not a shmup.

>> No.2209708

>>2209702

Didn't he use to have a statement to make about japanese ancient culture or whatever ?

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>>2209660

>> No.2209719
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>>2209716

>> No.2209728

ZUN should take a break and update PMiSS.

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>>2209719
No good pictures of Koishi so you'll have to settle for manly koishi.

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>>2209730

>> No.2209753

>>2209708
Creating a universe based heavily on Japanese mythology is not something that requires a lot of thought or original thinking. Hell, half the character designs are knock-offs of previous designs that have made their way into archetypes.

>> No.2209778

>>2209753
We never said it took a lot of thought.

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>>2209730

>> No.2209806

>>2209753

It's not about it requiring thoughts, but about being internally consistent at the very least.

Touhou design is just a bunch of LOL SO RANDUM XD that simultaneously wants some degree of cultural significance.

>> No.2209816
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2209816

I love Nazrin because it plays into my rodent-moe~ fetish which has so far only been filled by Tewi, Reisen, and Reisen II.

>> No.2209829

>>2209806
I love his designs for the "LOL SO RANDUM XD" as you put it. Rather then getting stuck in a monotonous cycle of... well, general sameness. It's fun seeing what he'll pull out of his ass next.

>> No.2209838

>>2209753
>Creating a universe based heavily on Japanese mythology is not something that requires a lot of thought or original thinking. Hell, half the character designs are knock-offs of previous designs that have made their way into archetypes.

You could say the same thing about Tolkien, except with regard to western Eruopean myth. Does he lack creativity?

... Now I'm not saying ZUN is anywhere near Tolkien, but to say he's entire devoid of creativity is hyperbole. Adapting mythological creatures/symbols into lolis is probably harder than it sounds; if it was extremely easy, some coroporation would have done it with greater success than ZUN.

>> No.2209851

>>2209816
>because it plays into my rodent-moe~ fetish which has so far only been filled by Tewi, Reisen, and Reisen II.
I hate to break this to you but...rabbits aren't rodents.

>> No.2209852

>>2209838
I do love when people yell "LOL ARCHETYPE". We base everything off archetype. It's how you use the archetypes that matters.

>> No.2209857

>>2209784
>>2209752
Thanks bros.

>> No.2209861

>>2209829

It's not bad per se, but let's be honest here, Zun suffers from a bad case of "good ideas, terrible execution".

>> No.2209868

>>2209861
Well, honestly, I disagree. I like the execution and ideas more often than not. But, that's just me.

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>>2209730

>> No.2209951

>>2209851
I had to look this up, and I'll be damned. I learned something new today. I guess I have a rodentia/lagomorph-moe~ fetish.

>> No.2209953

>>2209951
>I had to look this up, and I'll be damned.
lolwut

Don't they teach anything in school anymore?

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>>2209910

>> No.2209992

>>2209851

as a former rabbit owner, they are close enough.

>> No.2210000

>>2209992
Former owner? What'd you do? Eat them?

>> No.2210033

>>2210000

one got really sick and died. the other one just died a week later for NO REASON AT ALL.

>> No.2210046

>>2210033
A likely excuse you you

DOUBLE MURDERER

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>>2210033

>> No.2210061

Enough trolling.

just fap to Unzan already.

>> No.2210107

>>2209324

Agreed. Some of the characters are rather flat and he would be much better to elaborate on them more rather than just introduce 7-8 new characters per game.

Maybe half new characters, half old would be a good compromise.

Bring back Mima, you fucker.

>> No.2210194

Mouse youkai is rather cute actually with a fairly fitting power it seems. The sticks seemed odd at first, but they make sense now I know the context.

Then you have the forgotten umbrella youkai. She has her own charm even if that tongue looks ridiculous... but then really, Utsuho has a TEA COSY on one of her feet. I still beleive ZUN is taking the piss with some of his characters these days.

Undefined Fantastic Object is just business as usual. Best not to take Touhou too seriously like a lot of the doujin born fans seem to, it's a shoot based on one man's idea of a fun shooter. I agree with that man, it is pretty fun.

It won't take long for Japan warm up to them all and pump out fanart.

>> No.2210219

I don't even see the problem with the business as usual formula of making new characters every game. It's not like Touhou is serious enough that ZUN needs to add depth to all his previous characters. Seems like he just does whatever takes his fancy at any one time.

I expect to be drinking tea with the new bosses at the end of TH12.

Though I must admit, shit like this in the wiki amuses me:

>In fandom, as she is a Mouse Youkai, she will be chased after by either Chen, Orin, or both.

Barely out for a couple days... well done guys. Your faggotry knows no bounds.

>> No.2210297

>>2210107
>Some of the characters are rather flat

Well, duh. That's how lolis are supposed to be.

Anyways, remember Touhou's motto, faggots? Take it easy. I can't believe someone can throw a fit over ZUN's character designs.

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>>2210219
>Barely out for a couple days... well done guys. Your faggotry knows no bounds.

Nope. It's already been done.

>> No.2210331

>>2210297
>Touhou's motto

>> No.2210345

>>2210219
I hate it when they do stuff like that.

>It's not like Touhou is serious enough that ZUN needs to add depth to all his previous characters.
ZUN acts pretty much like how any normal guy does. He has bouts where he decides to flesh out his stuff a bit because he feels like it. Sometimes, he'll add a serious story just because he can, and other times, he'll make it relatively light-hearted. While it's mostly overall light-hearted, I wouldn't say that he doesn't have any focus on the more serious stuff, or that he has no interest in fleshing out his characters.

In hope he makes an updated PMiSS or something. At the moment, it really looks like most of his sights are set on Lunarians and stuff, which, ironically, are the things in the Touhouverse that I'm the least interested in.

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>>2210319

>> No.2210383

>>2210319

I don't doubt that it'll be done time and time again, the amusing part is how quickly they started going on about what the 'fandom' thinks so soon as though it's relevant, nay IMPORTANT information.

Does this mean if several artists insist on drawing a character in a diaper on the first few days after release it would be notable enough? You know, because they would be FANS who are part of the FANDOM so it'll be relevant to note how the fandom commonly draws them as diaper fetishists.

Wikis are awesome.

>> No.2210391

>>2210345
Wait, so on one side you're saying Touhou shouldn't be taking as serious business but then you get upset when people don't take it as serious business?

>> No.2210394

>>2210345
>Lunarians and stuff, which, ironically, are the things in the Touhouverse that I'm the least interested in.
Believe me, bro, you're not the only one.

>> No.2210403

>>2210391
I meant the fact that they occasionally post "Western memes" based solely off of a single post and small running joke that lasted for about ten seconds.

>> No.2210414

>>2210345

Partially I agree he does take some stuff a little more serious, but it seems to only happen in whatever he's interested in at the time. There will be a bit of depth towards the explanation of his pet topic, then the usual drinking tea and laid back characters.

I don't think he takes the whole series very seriously at all and just goes with whatever he's interested in at any one time.

>> No.2210419

or a single joke doujin a community finds amusing enough to keep on repeating the same joke constantly.

Alice sure does leak poop.

>> No.2210435

>>2210414
Yeah, he just looks like he has his fun.

However, I don't really see a problem with SERIOUS BUSINESS doujinshi. Sure, some of them do take it a bit too far with bad results, but part of the charm is seeing how different people manage to piece together ZUN's inconsistencies and character profiles.

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