/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>21979004
meh op

>company is named Notes commercially
>Notes is dead weight for decades

>Type Moon is the brand name
>Crimson Moon is dead or irrelevant

>the new studio's name is BB
hmmmmm

>>21979067
It's almost like the name itself is a worrying sign.

>The studio is being led by Niinou Kazuya, formerly of Atlus, Image Epoch and Square Enix, who had previously served as director of Trauma Center: Under the Knife, Etrian Odyssey, and 7th Dragon.

>This is not his first time working with Type-Moon, having been producer of Fate/EXTRA while with Image Epoch.

>Takeuchi Takashi and Nasu Kinoko, in addition to other creators, will also be involved with Studio BB.

>In a message on the studio’s newly-opened website, Takeuchi Takashi writes that he first met Niinou about a decade ago when he was handed the proposal for Fate/EXTRA, which he says left a lasting impact on him that he even now cannot forget. He says that the proposal was a love letter, challenge, and invitation to adventure directed at Nasu and Type-Moon, and that Niinou is an adventurer who brought about revolution to Type-Moon. Takeuchi says that a new Type-Moon will begin with Niinou, and that he is excited.

>In another message, Nasu Kinoko writes that Niinou’s games have always been filled with surprises and new discoveries, and that those are the sort of games that Nasu has always loved, and that he feels that he has finally caught up with the dreams he had as a child.

>>21979243
But Extra was shit.

>>21979243
>who had previously served as director of Trauma Center: Under the Knife, Etrian Odyssey, and 7th Dragon.
>Etrian Odyssey
no no no no, don't give me hope

So it's just going to be more Fate RPGs, right?

>>21979436
He also directed extra so there you go. Your hope should be lost by now.

>>21979485
Well, he produced it. Extra was dogshit of a special kind, but Trauma Center and Etrian Odyssey are pretty alright.

Still, if it's just going to be more Fate stuff I dunno if I can get excited. I've been out of Fate juice for years now.

>>21979482
nasu has shown again and again he doesn't wanna work on anything that isn't fate related.

I don't even fucking get why, you'd think after tackling the apocalypse TWICE in the same game you'd decide theres no story left to tell here.

>>21979436
Kill yourself, the studio literally was formed and you're shitting on them before they've released anything and played them

>>21979482
Stop judging before they've actually released any games and you've played any of them. Fuck off

>>21980162
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>>21980162
>>21980173
I agree, let's see what they can accomplish before we make any hasty judgements

https://twitter.com/OK_squared_/status/1141648196331982848

>>21980173
>>21980321
Aren't FGO and Extra all the proof we need that their games will likely be meh at best? New company or not, it's still the same people as before.

>>21980162
I'm saying I'm hyped because I like the game this guy worked on though

>>21979485
He didn't direct Extra, he was a producer.

>>21979482
They're doing more varied stuff than RPGs according to the kind of people they're hiring.
I also hope that with a studio focused only on TM we may get a non-Fate game at some point, so I'll reserve judgment for now.

>>21980488
What the hell are you talking about anon? It's not the same people at all, they only have the studio director and the announcement of the studio was basically so they could hire the staff.
And even FGO and Extra were both done by different companies with different people from each other.

>>21980678
The thing is, it is pretty common that a part of or a connection of a company that is too much succesful ends up being the core of the company.

Saying that we will have BB as the name of the company and TM and .Notes will be history is pretty logical.

>>21980784
I really don't know what you mean by this. They're literally hiring new staff. Image Epoch has been dead for years. Delightworks will keep working on GO cancer, they're not coming over to studio BB.

>TM and .Notes will be history
Those HAVE been history for like 15 years already, they're just company names.
There's nothing wrong with naming the studio BB, if anything I'm glad they're following that original naming convention of giving it a character's name, and at least it's not a FGO character. Imagine fucking Studio Mashu

I was going to complain that a image of Sakura in a non-Stay Night context would be bad, but then I remember that Sakura is now the poster girl of the company,

It is was indeed nice when we had a myth (.Notes) and a divine being (Typemoon) as the name of the production body).

Now we will have a booby fanservice girl with lots of doujins and EroMMD being cummed inside over and over as the SYMBOL OF THIS.

AND NASU SAID HE DID NOT WANT EROTIC CONTENT ANYMORE RELATED TO HIS WORKS.

Do I have to repeat?

NASU SAID HE DID NOT WANT EROTIC CONTENT ANYMORE.

>>21980820
Why would you assume that, her image isn't being used in the website or the logo at all, it's just a fucking catchy name anon.
Yeah people will associate it but so what? TM has always had hot girls, at least BB looks like one of the original FSN heroines.
By the way, if you go the section of their homepage with the Nasu quote, Nasu himself seems kind of baffled at the studio's name

>But "studio BB" ... I'm happy but ... BB ... (laughs)

>>21980816
>I really don't know what you mean by this. They're literally hiring new staff. Image Epoch has been dead for years. Delightworks will keep working on GO cancer, they're not coming over to studio BB.

What I mean is that, assuming that .Notes and TM are history already, that will mean that eventually Nasu and Takeuchi as the source for new content will also be history. Eventually only this new studio will be what we call "Typemoon",

That is, there will be no VNs, no LNs, no more literature nothing. Only whatever will sell on studio BB because, like a Battle Royale based on Fate. Maybe a MOBA based on Fate? Studio BB going esports.

Something will happen but such new staff will be the new protagonists now. They will be answeting questions in interviews, Nasu won't anymore.

Nasu-the-Writer is dead already and Takeuchi will just keep putting "cute girls" forever in those games like he wanted.

>>21980849
>TM has always had hot girls
The fuck you're talking about?! Takeuchi only could draw slender boob-less girls that were only good on doujin art eventually.

Hot girls came only with Extra and full force on FGO, as Drake did not have such big boobs on Extra.

>>21980849
>By the way, if you go the section of their homepage with the Nasu quote, Nasu himself seems kind of baffled at the studio's name
Try to read it again inside the context. He is clearly loving it.

>>21980862
I mean, no fucking shit, Nasu has been talking about passing on TM to a new generation for years now, that was part of the point of getting those other people involved in FGO. he's like 45, he could totally retire as soon as he hits 60 for all we know, people don't last forever anon.
Doesn't mean there won't be talented people working for TM and even some good games in the future if the studio goes well, though obviously the reason I liked TM in the first place will be gone at that point.

>>21980870
Really anon, you don't think a girl's design can be hot DESPITE the artist's talent? You don't think all of the Tsukihime and Fate/stay night main girls are pretty damn hot? You don't think any 2hu girls are hot, despite ZUN's art quality?

>>21980878
I mean of course he is, I like the name too, but he's obviously pointing out how "interesting" of a choice it is for a studio name.

>>21980879
>Doesn't mean there won't be talented people working for TM and even some good games in the future if the studio goes well, though obviously the reason I liked TM in the first place will be gone at that point
Well, that is my point. There will be good games, but there won't be literature anymore.

>>Really anon, you don't think a girl's design can be hot DESPITE the artist's talent? You don't think all of the Tsukihime and Fate/stay night main girls are pretty damn hot? You don't think any 2hu girls are hot, despite ZUN's art quality?
Of course they can in this context. But it means that X doujinka version is hot, not that the character is hot by itself in the story.

this is a dumb argument

>>21980893
>not that the character is hot by itself in the story.
By hot I mean FGO hot. Old TM girls are minimally sexy, like a family daughter with good behavior.

>>21980893
I dunno, I always though Arcueid, Akiha, and Kohaku were hot in Tsukihime, despite the very low art quality. The way they're written affects your perception of a character more than art.

>>21980905
Yet you previously said
>Now we will have a booby fanservice girl with lots of doujins and EroMMD being cummed inside over and over as the SYMBOL OF THIS.
When I'm pretty sure at least all FSN girls had tons of doujins and ero MMD
And yes, BB's original depiction is lewder than traditional TM designs because CCC is a sex-obsessed game. But so fucking what man, at least it's a good design and not some bland piece of shit or someone with awful proportions from GO, like Lancer Arturia or Raikou or Scathach. There's really nothing wrong with a hot character being a game studio's namesake.

>>21980900
Yeah, people looking to pick a bone with a studio because of its fucking name because they don't have any games to pick on yet is really retarded.

>>21980938
And by "people" I mean this one guy with reddit spacing

>>21980938
i mean i fully expect the new studio to only output Fate stuff, but it's just pointless to argue about at this point

>>21980953
Oh, I also expect that, doesn't mean there can't be a good Fate game.

>>21980956
certainly not, Fate just has a really, really bad track record

if Nasu isn't completely deluded, i imagine some part of him knows that all the Fate games are mediocre at best, too.

>>21980938
>I dunno, I always though Arcueid, Akiha, and Kohaku were hot in Tsukihime, despite the very low art quality. The way they're written affects your perception of a character more than art.
Which proves my point. They were so bland graphic wise that you need context for them to be something more.

That is also another evidence that we need now fanservice and doujin-like behavior to make up for the lack of literature that FGO and Extella has.

>When I'm pretty sure at least all FSN girls had tons of doujins and ero MMD
Before FGO? hahaha go look again on the release dates and compare. They were minimal and pretty average, to the point of being disappointing, because I wanted more fap material and I never could find them.

>There's really nothing wrong with a hot character being a game studio's namesake.
Of course there is nothing wrong, I am not like a moe-hater or puritanist. But throwing Nasu's Legacy on the trash to do this is disrespectul and very telling of the current japanese industry cultural status.

>Yeah, people looking to pick a bone with a studio because of its fucking name because they don't have any games to pick on yet is really retarded.
Because this is a fucking prediction based on the recent 5 year track record. Even a child would understand that this studio is evidence of a new generation "TM" that will eventually eat up everything that we loved and cared for.

Just get French bread again for a new fighting game already and then load the dlc with Saberfaces

>>21981017
TM doesn't deserve French Bread anymore

>>21980870
Yikes.

>>21981017
Okita better be added

https://youtu.be/6Wt5IqHKWl0

>>21981026
Even Sion thinks that.

>>21981015
>But throwing Nasu's Legacy on the trash
What the fuck are you talking about?
Nasu himself is involved with the studio, I think he gets to decide what happens to his "legacy".
Mind you I'm not happy with anything in FGO either but there's literally nothing wrong with the idea of this new studio so far. If anything I do believe that Nasu may have sold out with FGO just so he could have more freedom in his own game studio.

Stop being such a doomsayer motherfucker. I will never understand why people who literally have no hope whatsoever for the future of TM come here. If you genuinely believe there's gonna be nothing for you because you just KNOW, then why bother discussing it. The fact that you're here at all should prove that you have some modicum of hope for things to get better so stop being such a little bitch about it, at least wait for a game or two to come out.

>>21981015
>That is also another evidence that we need now fanservice and doujin-like behavior to make up for the lack of literature that FGO and Extella has.
Or I see it as what literature that FGO and Extella has exists purely to produce doujinbait.

>>21981017
The roster should just be the original from Stay Night and minimal GO shit but lock the GO shit in DLC.

>>21981033
Compare it with the new design from the other author of Mahoyo. That boob is hot by itself.

Sensei was hot because she was a symbol of something amazing, because of what she was.

Now she is just the base model for Scathach and people don't have to know who she is to think she is hot.

Such is degeneration at work.

>>21981065
Return to reddit

if you want to type

like this

faggot.

>>21981065
The ESL in this is giving me a headache.

>>21981051
>What the fuck are you talking about?
>Nasu himself is involved with the studio
There are some anon here that disagrees with you
>I think he gets to decide what happens to his "legacy".
But of course. This is not me trying to make Nasu do what I want while puttin a gun in his mouth (although I sometimes wish to do it).

The thing is, studioBB is not a VN making subsidiary. And if you assume that Nasu will be involved and that he also wants to make jRPG like he always wanted, then yes, what he built, therefore his legacy, has a high probability of being thrown in the trash.

>Stop being such a doomsayer motherfucker. I will never understand why people who literally have no hope whatsoever for the future of TM come here. If you genuinely believe there's gonna be nothing for you because you just KNOW, then why bother discussing it. The fact that you're here at all should prove that you have some modicum of hope for things to get better so stop being such a little bitch about it, at least wait for a game or two to come out.
I talk here using such doomsaying because I love the past and this thread is about what >was<. If you want to glorify what >is< then go to reddit and fgo focused threads.

And of course I do have hope. TM recently have been a shift of hope phase and doom phase.

StudioBB is just a doom phase atm and I will point out the problems it has until I see another evidence that give me hope again.

>>21981079
sry ill try to stop it. but mind you I write like this since before reddit existed.

Is this guy seriously pissed off about Studio BB not making VNs?

>>21981135
The main worry is that they double down on the current direction.

>>21981121
Or you could save us all from that pain in the ass and go back to wherever you came from.

>>21981135
Yeah apparently. How dare Nasu fund a game studio like he always wanted even before he wrote VNs.

>>21981128
Wow, so you've been on the internet since before 2005 and still can't type in decent English. Most impressive.

>>21981135
No, I am pissed about it deleting what we knew of TM for good now.
>>21981143
Oh c'mon, are redditfags coming here now?

>>21981140
While I don’t hate GO I do understand the fear. However, Studio BB itself shows us that maybe we can actually get type moon games that aren’t mobile, dynasty warrior shit, or RPGs. I really want a new fighting 3D or 2D or just something new in the fate franchise.

>>21981135
i'm disappointed in it because TM's gameplay endeavors outside of Mahoyo haven't been good, but perhaps things will change. i do like a few of the games that the director has done.

i think most of all, though, is that it's hard for me to get excited for more Fate titles, because I'm seriously fatigued by that universe. i really hope they try and do something completely new.

>>21981162
>I don’t hate GO

LEAVE

>>21981169
>i think most of all, though, is that it's hard for me to get excited for more Fate titles, because I'm seriously fatigued by that universe. i really hope they try and do something completely new.
Pretty much this. And the fact that it is called BB just makes the future seem worse.

Fuck Redditfags and ESLfags and doomsayers
At least we're getting something other than FGO, any game is better than a gacha game. If we got Remake too that'd be swell.
Here's some Gray.

>>21981169
Yeah I'm also thoroughly sick of Servant trash thanks to GO but hey, if they can make a decent game that balances Servants with other characters better then I'll at least give it a chance. Even better if we get a non-Fate game at some point down the line, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.

>>21981169
>outside of Mahoyo
outside of Melty, i mean, but yeah.

>>21981192
i mean if the gameplay is great i'll play it no matter what.

hell, even Sakurai or Higashitty could write it and i'd play it if it had gameplay on-par with Melty.

>new reines doujin up
>there's only fucking chinese
God damn it what the fuck

>>21981218
Oh, the one with Gray? Yeah, it's fucked up.

wow reddit is really trying to shit this thread. I am going to sleep now and hope everything is different when I wake up.

I will make a prediction: this thread at some point in time will not be called /tmg/ but instead it will be /bbg/. Mark my words.

>>21981359
becoming big boobs general might not be so bad.

>>21981359
Neck yourself you fucking wannabe troll.

>>21981364
This is correct.

>>21981335
I'm with you, there are certainly some rotten eggs shitting this up atm.

How many games the new studio is going to make before the remake?

>>21981513
The studio isn't doing VNs, they're hiring actual game programmers. They probably won't release anything for a year and a half at least.
Remake will be next year, developed by TM itself over the last few years.

>>21981525
despite Nasu saying all of his time has been spent on anime and FGO. riiight

>>21981525
>Remake will be next year, developed by TM itself over the last few years.
>implying they've done anything besides making a few sprites

>>21981535
Nah, he said half of his time is spent on FGO actually.
And there's no way anime takes the other half.
Not to mention he's basically been on break from FGO since mid 2017, only writing some goofy events and small story scenes.

>>21981550
what? no he hasn't. he supervises everything and writes the intros

>>21981525
I wish I could still be this deluded.

>>21981555
That's literally what I said.
His actually writing has been pretty minimal, just a scene or two per main story chapter.
"Supervising" a.k.a reading the chapter and discussing some details with the author.

>[Ohys-Raws] Lord El-Melloi II-sei no Jikenbo Rail Zeppelin Grace Note - 09 (BS11 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4

It's time

>>21981564
I hope good stuff happens this episode, the fight and the Servant in the last one were lame as fuck.

>>21981550
>>21981555
For the current LB arc, Nasu writes every intro & outro, the base team (Gordolf, Sion,...), arranges the story and Nasu probably will be in charge of some of the new LB coming up, especially the ending which is likely preoccupying most of his time due to how obsessed he is with it.

He hasn't been "taking a break" from FGO at all.

>>21981359
I think they will just add BB in this door.

>>21981550
>>21981555
>Nasu takes care of the overall plot, and hands the material regarding what should be done in each chapter as well as the plotlines that should be covered to the other writers. After that, the writers will work on their Lostbelts and if Nasu thinks there’s no problems then he’ll leave it entirely to them. Once they’re done, he’ll go through their completed script and add plot details he thinks might be necessary for the overall story. He tries to make the words and actions of the characters consistent not just within the particular Lostbelt, but also in Part 2 as a whole.
>As a writer, he’ll write his own assigned scenarios and also looks at how things come together as a whole, edit the text for all scenarios, and manage the Servant character backgrounds. He’ll read the background for the Servants written by the other writers and tweak them if necessary to match with the feel of FGO. But event scenarios are an exception, there he lets the writers write what they excel at so outside of the plot itself he doesn’t make any changes, though there are exceptions.
>For example, a certain writer A-san is handling 20 Servants. But Servants that they aren’t in charge of also appear, so the quality of that part would drop no matter what. This is the point where Nasu, who’s in charge of all the Servants would help to make the writing better. Nasu also takes care of Mashu, Gordolf, and all the Chaldea team’s dialogue.
>If they were to break it down, for the main scenarios the text would be 30% Nasu, 70% other writers, while in events it would be 80% other writers, 20% Nasu. They have to write about 500 kb of text (250,000 letters) every month. The workload when it comes to text is pretty standard for professional work but there are other things they need to do too. As he said in the 3rd anniversary interview, he didn’t think he’d have to work this much. He wants a rest.
>Nasu: “But right now I have my reliable health buddy, the Nintendo Switch game “Fit Boxing” which I train on every month, so my body is fine. Everything can be solved with muscles”.
This, and Babylonia + Camelot anime too (voice directing and the Babylonia anime script got rewritten, dunno about Camelot). Sometimes Nasu is also responsible for servant's illustrations.

>>21981586
Are you the one who posted that giant pastebin with nasu's quotes?

>>21981576
This makes me irrationally angry.

>>21981569
That's absolutely taking a break compared to writing full chapters, he'll just write the last 2 most likely like part 1.
And considering how much he's talked about the ending and how it's supposed to leave an impact, and how part 1's ending was the first thing he did, he's almost certainly already written the ending, probably last year.
Writing the ending first is just a basic rule for successful authors.

>>21981586
I've read this before and it's all in line with what I said, the fact that he wants to rest because of extra shit beyond his normal FGO workload is even more evidence of overworking himself by finishing up Remake at the same time.
I do believe that the brunt of the work on Remake was in 2017 though where he basically did nothing but CCC and a Christmas event.

>>21981595
?
Not me tho anyway

>>21981612
>I do believe that the brunt of the work on Remake was in 2017 though where he basically did nothing but CCC and a Christmas event
And urh, December Prologue

>>21981612
cute headcanon, looking forward to your butthurt next year

>>21981625
He could literally write that in an afternoon.

>>21981633
Looking forward to Remake next year.

>>21981635
dumb avatarfag

>>21981646
Not avatarfagging I just like posting Shiki.

Are we really going to go through Kubler-Ross again?

>>21981673
he'll learn eventually

>>21981681
I sure hope so, because this feigned attempt at smugposting is actually quite bizarre.

>>21981681
I have "learned" to be disappointed in TM many times over the last few years of waiting.
That's why when I tell you that it's coming out next year or at least getting a real release date, you can be sure it's true.

>>21981700
Let him, it's better than redditfags.

>>21981700
i remember when someone similar to him in this general was claiming the 10th year anniversary of the announcement was going to be it

they'll keep jumping from goalpost to goalpost until they realize the truth. i do believe the Remake will eventually come out in some form, but the best you can hope for insofar as the 20th anniversary is concerned is a reconfirmation that it's still being worked on. maybe a possible release post Part 2. i suspect cautious optimism to place the release date perhaps 2-4 years from now.

>>21981566
Well I liked the last episode, but I thought this one was better. Surprised that they took pic related off the train though. That's anime original.

>>21981739
Believing that anything would be said on the "10th anniversary of the announcement" was absolutely retarded though, because that initial announcement was basically retconned in 2013.

The 20th anniversary of the original release though is a huge deal and no way they'll ignore it, we'll at the very least get substantial news if not a release date, which is why I'm feeling pretty confident.
Nasu is moving on to some FGO successor story and to making videogames after Lostbelt. If there's any time for the Remake to come out, it's after Lostbelt ends but before all of that stuff kicks off. December 2020 is the 20th anniversary, I would place the release date or release date announcement (for 2021) there.

>>21981772
ok

>>21981651
based shiki poster

>>21981772
Post some Ciel.

>>21982141
why would someone post such vile things

>>21982141
Currybutt

>>21982201
far-side fag

>>21982141

Ciel is beautiful.
Ciel is neat.
If don't wanna love her.
Go eat some shit.

>>21982141

Well, seems I will have to fix this.

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>>21981225
Oh thank fucking god. The Japanese one is there now.

>>21982141
Shieru

Case Files' surprisingly good english continues

>>21982141
Moar senpai

>>21982141
Bonus smug Roa Elesia

>>21981770
You were right that this episode was way better!
The entire Kairi/Luvia plotline is anime original, right? I never heard about Kairi appearing in the CF books at all.
Melvin's appearance was fucking hilarious (as was the violin scene) and I really like the way they handled Ainnash.
Must say that I still don't like Faker though, and her fight scenes have been very lame.

>>21982550
>The entire Kairi/Luvia plotline is anime original, right?
Yeah but presumably those two will end up being worked into a plotline that happens off screen in the books.

>>21980816
Mashu is unironically a better character than BB. BB is a) cancer clone. b) horribly written fanservice mess pandering.

>>21981015
>Before FGO? hahaha go look again on the release dates and compare.
Not him, but none of the FGO girls made it to historical TOP 20 of doujin circles dedicated to a character (aside of Gudako). Mashu must have come close but Mashu herself is mostly conservative looking for FGO aside of her first ascension and Ortheanus outfit (she's less risque than Medusa, even her swimsuit show less than any girl in TM).

There's more "hotness" and lewdness in Extra. Look at fucking BB, Passionlip and Meltlilith or even Kiara, they are just fapbait.

>>21981559
>His actually writing has been pretty minimal, just a scene or two per main story chapter.
He literally said the chapters that aren't written by him are still 30% written by him, you fucking idiot, in case of events not by him, this is 20%.

>>21981586
>(voice directing and the Babylonia anime script got rewritten
He wrote episode 0 screen play, was in charge of holding the meetings of that episode, and proposed what was about. Yeah, he's presently occupied in Babylonia and probably LB5 (he didn't have time to do much for summer) because is gonna be a climax chapter.

>>21981612
>he'll just write the last 2 most likely like part 1.
You do realize LB5 is a big climax chapter, right? And most of LB4 seemed written by Nasu: Jinako's dialogue, the autistic powerlevel description bullshit he likes to do.

>>21982748
That is CCC, not extra exactly. And yes, there is a difference, because CCC was like, proto-FGO.

>>21982748
>Not him, but none of the FGO girls made it to historical TOP 20 of doujin circles dedicated to a character
I don't really know hot to use such statistic, I generally just see the crowd effort and persistence on doing doujins. I mean, there were some months where every doujin site front page was 100% FGO doujin. I frankly believe that at least in a subsconscious level, FGO girls dominated the fapbait industry.

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>>21982769
>FGOfag has joined the thread

>>21979004
unnnfff tiddies

Oh God Almighty please make it so all FGOfags die in their sleep tonight

>>21982981
Thank you Len, I will join you in your prayers.

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>>21983021
That scene had better writing than the entirety of FGO.

>>21983068
Based and true

Where did FGO touch you guys?

These just came in. Finally starting a proper TM physical media collection that's just not figures.

>>21983108
>projecting

>>21983108
where do I point to in order to indicate it raped the entire VN industry

>>21983133
Nice. I still need to get around to properly buying the KnK books one day.

>>21983133
thumbs up anon

>>21983159
Couldn't agree more.

>>21983108
It touched my enjoyment of TM and the Nasuverse. A lot.

>>21983133
Fucking nice, I really wanna own those some day as well.

>>21982990
The trap has been set! With a cat treat under my blanket I'm sure that Len will join me for tonight.

>>21980429
What is this about?

>>21982724
Ehh, no.
Mashu is in the 3 worst TM characters.

>>21983167
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>>21983306
Thanks! They were pretty cheap, actually,. Granted I bought the last two used at a Japanese bookstore for dirt cheap. They were in decent condition but 2 has some smudges on the pages. Even then, new I don't see them being more than $20 each at most. Going to work on getting a physical copy of FSN next (Not that laughable excuse they're calling a re release.)

>>21982141

Every single /a/ thread

Is Shiki low on empathy?

>>21984628
Not really. He just doesn't give a fuck about Yumizuka.

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https://twitter.com/arotan20/status/1167727139682045952

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>>21984935
xhos ga,g

>>21982771
it was much worse than FGO.

>>21983848
Mashu is harmless typical TM heroine, BB is the violation of an original heroine, using her face, CA and some motiffs, fladerizing her in the most pathetic way, and twist her into a shitty meme character that shits on two Fate works.

>>21985171
Mashu is a Sakura clone too in all but name and appearance.
And while perhaps not as offensive, at least BB has something resembling a personality.
Mashu has the same problem the protag has.

>>21985156
I actually kind of agree to some extend.

all the dude sex XD shit in CCC takes away from what could have been a different take on heavens feel.

I don't even really get why of all things he could have written, he decided that what the world really needed was a pseudo-sequel to Extra. fucking nasu spends decades setting up an entire world he can tell stories in, and then all he wants to do is write about a fucking computer. Hakuno has way more of a personality in CCC then extra, but he can't compete with shirou at all.

>>21985171
Mashu is indicative of all of the lazy writing of FGO and new type moon as a whole. With what happened with BB is the same thing that happened to literally every other character that got carried into FGO. While it sucks bastardized versions of older characters with new ones is simply par for the course, Mash is supposed to be a brand new character who's supposed to stand on her own yet completely falls flat on her face.,

>>21985171
Mashu is a generic moeblob senpai fetishist.
Rakkyo, Tsuki, Fate, Mahoyo, DDD don't have lazy characters like that

>>21985221
>Mashu is a Sakura clone too in all but name and appearance.
Because she's a Kohai figure? She has nothing to do with Sakura. Sakura's selfish and cowardly, the opposite of Mashu. She has dark thoughts and wallows in self-pity which couldn't be further from Nasu's writing of Mashu. I'm not dissing Sakura because I like those flaws, but there's little in common between them beyond being a kohai and having big tits.

>And while perhaps not as offensive, at least BB has something resembling a personality.
So does Mashu. Honestly, anyone who even claims "she has no personality" because she's not a walking meme shitposter like BB needs to die in a fire. It's the same shit I put up as Saberfag for years (bland, no personality, moeblob), because she's not an overly dramatic teenager but rather a more reserved, determinate and hardworking girl.

>>21985352
>Mashu is a generic moeblob senpai fetishist.
No, she's not. Nice try though. Should we use buzzwords? How about Rin being a generic twintail tsundere for pathetic otaku to latch on her? They are both more than that.

>>21985344
>With what happened with BB is the same thing that happened to literally every other character that got carried into FGO
BB was a shit character before that. Same for any of the cancerous Egos.

>Mash is supposed to be a brand new character who's supposed to stand on her own yet completely falls flat on her face.,
That's just your subjective opinion. Most people who criticize her never actually do, they throw buzzwords as if they meant anything and never observe she has a legitimate storyarc, internal narration, relationships (with more than just Guda) and she's fleshed out. Just because you're blind she appeared in FGO. If she wasn't all of you would be salivating over her.

>>21985486
Listen, I really wouldn't go as far to compare saber to Mashu, like at all. I find saber's actual flaws and narrative more compelling compared to Mashu's. Mashu has the same problem as most Chaldea characters with me, where their characters and arcs aren't exactly that compelling.

>>21985486
Mashu's only charactrr traits are lusting after Guda/ko (who apparently is the most humane person ever, despite being a literal cardboard cutout) and wanting to see the outside world. No, "saving the world" doesn't really count.
And that's never rrally used for much.
She's a generic moeblob waifubait, yes. It's not buzzwords when it's true.
Rin actually has a story, character development, goals, relashionships, etc.
Mashu only exists to have big tits and praise (you) despite the protag being totally useless. Someone should tell her Servants aren't fucking Pokemon.

I refuse to believe that an actual human being could unironically defend fgo

>>21985518
Of course I like Saber more. But each buzzword tossed to Mashu is exactly the same shit given to Saber for years, now it has a new target which pisses me off.
Your opinion of how compelling their arcs are or not is wholly subjective, you realize. Mashu has flaws too, she's learned to become more and more human, including her own judgmental nature. My point with how she's cut in the old model of TM heroine is that she's cute, even a little sexy but not overly so (this is because prototype design was going to be a heroine of FSN, you know "Stray Servant"). She has a romance, but she also has other shit in her plate. Her backstory is extraordinary like every heroine but still grounded: magi experiment, but unlike Ilya, raised in kindness which makes her different from other tragic, experimented girls who are used as tools as she has less bitterness.

Meanwhile, I beg you to take a fucking look at Extra. I'm not talking about just CCC which Nasu admitted all those girls are his fapfolder and designed based on weird specific ero fetishes. Let's talk how different Nero and Tamamo were from the usual TM heroine because they were both only obsessed with romance as their only goal in life since the beginning and they are both sexually aggressive. My point is that Mashu doesn't stick out as a sore thumb in Type Moon heroine gallery, she's actually a return to a more 'traditional' model. So I'm really confused when she's the one criticized by old timers. There are a lot of female Servants in FGO who are kind of problematic but they aren't heroines.

>>21985505
>BB was a shit character before that.
Never saying she wasn't, I guess I should have phrased that I was more apathetic about BB than I am Mashu,who i'm disappointed in.
>If she wasn't you'd all be salivating over her,
No, I don't think I would,. While granted i think being in FGO does make her suffer a bit, since the character writing seems wonky to me, there's plenty that drags her down for me. The concept of her being a demi servant bugs me a lot, because like most demi servants she has to balance her servant lore/history with her human side. Her arc in fuyuki felt very oddly shoneny, even for fate. I just didn't find her training for her noble phantasm all the intriguing. Same goes with all of her interactions with other characters up until Camelot. They felt generally inconsequential up until that point. I dunno i might have preferred her as a full human or full servant. On top of that, another factor dragging her down, admittedly, is something out of her control. I full heartedly believe having guda to constantly bounce off of would have greatly helped flesh her out, a consistent character for her to bond with rather than just the chaldea crew, who she mostly just jokes with over com devices. Instead, we get a silent blank slate who she can't engage in an actual, proper conversation with,

The problem of wha you all people are saying is that Mashu is shit compared to other VN and LN characters, but you are forgetting something very important: all VN and LN characters have long and complex developments that are rich with past details, lots of situations with different personality exposures and mostly importantly, the personal perspective of the protagonist as a first person narrative which is what FGO 100% doesn't have and is also what makes it shit the most, as Nasu specialty is narration, not dialogues.

Seeing this kind of discussion again and again makes me glad to see that Nasu is focusing on developing Mashu's relationship with the A-Team and Loli Vinci as well as her feeling/views on the Lostbelt stuff in Arc2. Before this she mostly interacted with Guda and Romani only. The relationship between Roman and Mashu is still my favorite part of FGO anyway.

>>21985542
Yes, and being hard working, driven, kind, courageous aren't "personality traits." Neither is being petty, a little jealous, judgemental, naive, and a penchant for self-reflection and self-criticism. Just admit you don't know the character.

>>21985585
You misunderstand, i'm not really much of a fan of most post FSN/Zero servants at all. I am not a fan of the over use of servants or grail wars in general. I am aware that Mash was originally going to be in FSN, but I feel the two characters probably changed a lot from initial inception to modern implementation. I'll admit I'm not trying to argue that you should dislike Mash, I just really am curious that you can feel so passionate for her. I can't really agree with a lot of your points, or feel they're completely accurate. I really do want to understand, in some way, so what do you like about her so much, specifically? You clearly seem to be passionate about her. This isn't an attack or anything, I at least want to completely understand, even if I don't agree.

>The concept of her being a demi servant bugs me a lot, because like most demi servants she has to balance her servant lore/history with her human side.
She's the only Demi Servant. And right now she's not even a Demi Servant, because Galahad left the House and she's scrambling to try to muster some of her old power which I suspect would make her awake her own power as opposed to his. I foresee a return to Lord Chaldeas.

>Her arc in fuyuki felt very oddly shoneny, even for fate. I just didn't find her training for her noble phantasm all the intriguing. Same goes with all of her interactions with other characters up until Camelot. They felt generally inconsequential up until that point.
That is more an execution problem. Unless you think Shirou's 'training' of UBW is realistic? He basically learned it by seeing shit once or twice. It's even worse than Mashu, but you let it slide because Nasu writes paragraphs of chuuni text about it while FGO suffered with word limit imposition until chapter 5.

>full heartedly believe having guda to constantly bounce off of would have greatly helped flesh her out, a consistent character for her to bond with rather than just the chaldea crew, who she mostly just jokes with over com devices. Instead, we get a silent blank slate who she can't engage in an actual, proper conversation with,

I don't think anyone can defend Guda and how Guda's blank slate is the biggest problem with FGO (other than the gacha). Guda does have a personality in some places, like that cd drama that crossover with Extra (which Hakuno, unlike Guda, didn't have a personality or a VA) which greatly improves how she develops.

>>21985613
>I really do want to understand, in some way, so what do you like about her so much, specifically? You clearly seem to be passionate about her.
As I said, while I like Mashu, I'm feeling irritated because it reminds me of the years it was cool to bash Saber because she was popular, so she was dragged down for not being as 'deep as Sakura' or wasn't acceptable to like her as a heroine as you did with Rin. I feel Mashu's been scapegoated and unfairly judged because her game is popular and she's popular, sometimes assigning her things that aren't true, overlooking the fact she's the only new TM heroine that is more cut on a classic mold. All this while letting things like Nero and Tamamo slide for years in general.

>>21985619
>while FGO suffered with word limit imposition until chapter 5.
>implying FGO doesn't STILL feel like a fucking barebones lite-VN to this day, with its huge focus on dialogue, lack of internal monologues, and ADV style text box

It amazes me that FGOfags will actually come here just to argue.
Sorry but this is fruitless discussion other than you understanding that not everyone appreciates your kusoge's story and the way it's told.
Literally every single aspect of FGO as a story is incredibly subpar compared to KnK, FSN, Mahoyo, or Tsukihime. You can go die if you don't see it for the cancer that it is in the way it took over for the last 4 years, and how it wasted any of the few good ideas that it did have.
Unironically defending FGO might just be the most obnoxious thing that I keep seeing on 4chan.

>>21985638
Look, as somebody who defended saber for years I get it. She did get shit on for a while. But at the same time I feel that you're letting it affect your perception of mashu. She's not the worst thing about FGO, but she really is kind of a below average character, Mashu is not a hill worth dying on,

>>21985619
>Unless you think Shirou's 'training' of UBW is realistic? He basically learned it by seeing shit once or twice
not him, but Shirou is the worst comparison. He learned it by seeing once or twice because the only two magics he can do are related to do that with efficacy. He fucking uses magecraft that he trained everyday before the weeks in the VN started. Also, UBW is something that is compatible with what he is, because well, it is what he will be possibly.

>>21985640
>and how it wasted any of the few good ideas that it did have.
Sometimes I think if FGO was just "Grand Order" (without fate/) and was a separate work as a VN or LN, it would be so much better.

>>21985652
>She's not the worst thing about FGO, but she really is kind of a below average character, Mashu is not a hill worth dying on,
Not him. I agree with you, because Mashu is a good potential, but she suffered with FGO plot developtment and was executed badly, if at all. To me, she could be the "Ciel from a Magic Institution", with a horrible past full of suffering and abuse that makes you empathisize with her while seeing how great she behaves eventually.

But that won't happen as long as she is jailed inside a mobile phone.

>>21985695
Agreed, as said before FGO kind of kills its own potential.

Mash is very poorly executed and a pretty bad character overall
BB has absolutely execution and is an incredibly bad character

It really doesn't even matter who the studio's namesake is faggots, "studio BB" sounds good and catchy, not to mention she's already in a couple of Fate works. "Studio Mashit" sounds awful and it'd be directing all the attention towards the main heroine of FGOcancer when I don't think the studio is supposed to be exclusively FGO (even though they'll obviously pander to that audience and try to exploit that connection to some degree).

>>21987321
Both are bad names and completely not what is being argued.

>>21987609
Studio BB ain't a bad name at all anon.

>>21987628
It is far from the best they could've come up with.

>>21987734
What would you have called it if you had to follow the same naming convetion of a character?
Studio ORT?
Studio Arcueid?

>>21987758
Studio Saber.

>>21987791
Laaame

>>21987803
Studio Artoria.

>>21987860
Way worse.

>>21987876
Studio Altria.

>>21987888
Kill me.

>>21985589
doesn't granblue have fuckton of story sidekicks that are actual characters and develop over the story? also, there is nobody to blame but TM for refusing to put complex literature into the game. there is 0 reason it can't be done in mobage, and they're only not doing to to attract more retards and money.

"BB" in "Studio BB" stands for Big Budget

>>21988109
I sure hope so.

>>21988109
I thought it was big butt

Alright about to drop unpopular opinion, but I've read through the first 3 volumes of the Fate/Zero LN in both English and Portuguese (it's officially licensed here) and I gotta say, it's pretty boring. I've only watched the first season and half of the second season of the anime, and it's a huge improvement. A lot of the times it feels like Urobuchi is putting down in writing the themes and morals of each and every character when they can be easily deduced by their actions. I never understood the criticism about Urobuchi text dumps until now.

Also, Studio BB is a good name but Studio Nrvnqsr is far better.

>>21988132
To be honest I have zero interest in the 4th grail war. I thought the F/Z anime was mostly OK, but nothing really impacted me. I did hear that Ufotable fucked up some parts though so I did consider reading the books later.

>>21988109
I thought it was Big Brain

>>21988132
It would at least tell us they are planning on doing anything Tsukihime-related.

The problem is not the name of the studio, call it whatever you want. The problem this studio is a good reason for Nasu to keep his promissed works on eternal hiatus.

>>21988530
He already HAS more than enough of an excuse with GO anon, if he was really lazy he could just stick with only that until it died.
At least with this we're getting some much needed fucking variety in games and storytelling format, it's not worsening the situation in any way.

>>21988583
>At least with this we're getting some much needed fucking variety in games and storytelling format, it's not worsening the situation in any way.
While I agree that we will get better games and it by no means worse than the status quo, you have to remember that a big chunk of TM fans are indeed bookworms and they like to read a lot, Melty Blood and Unlimited Codes were nice, but they were secondary. And While StudioBB is a step forward compared to FGO, it is still a step backwards to the VN era.
I know that I might be wrong, Nasu could just use StudioBB to better use KiriKiriEngine or move to another engine entirelly. Maybe this even mean that he will recruit translators to publish english on release with japanese, like R07 intends to do now. But there is no evidence of neither and the crowd as far as I observe do not want to read, they want more waifus, they want to fap and they want to smash things in a musou or whatever. And Nasu has a big tendecy of conceding to others.

>>21988530
> is a good reason for Nasu to keep his promissed works on eternal hiatus.
He doesn't need one. His public is 90% fgo fans, interviewers never ask him about TsukiRe, Mahoyo, DDD and all the other shit he promised, and he isn't even remotely close to need money.

>>21988623
>He doesn't need one.
Let's say that "it is another reason to keep him forgeting about it". Cause I agree, he already has plenty to just do whatever.

>>21988623
>interviewers never ask him about TsukiRe, Mahoyo, DDD and all the other shit he promised

I'm pretty sure takeuchi hands out a list of topics that are blacklisted before every single interview. Mafia especially asks some heavy questions from time to time and it seems really strange to me that he never points at the giant TM backlog. Which should really worry anyone still hoping for anything to come out, because valve does the same shit.

>>21988654
Yeah, and when there is some questions that touches a little, Nasu uses a very standardized response, like he was oriented to do by someone.

What's the best way to get strong in the typemoonverse if you're a litteral who with no magic crests?

>>21989190
have no personality and donate blood

>>21989190
Have severe autism and do one thing over and over again until you get good and make it your gimmick.

>>21989190
seduce magi highschoolers via high jumps and steal their mystic codes

>>21989190
Search for sacrifice based magecraft to make up for the lack of mana. But that would eventually lead to problems with the Church.

>>21988109
"Big" is an understatement.

>>21988132
Yo, same. I actually fell asleep reading Zero. That and I felt no interest in the characters.

>>21989814
I do feel interest in them, but Saber was so heavily butchered that any scene she has dialogue in is irritating. Her character is so far removed from her Fate route version which I absolutely love, that anything mentioned about "glory" and "chivalry" pisses me off. FFS her Fate version would actually get along with Kiritsugu, their personalities are extremely similar but Kiritsugu went off the deep end while Saber stayed true. The development those 2 could have had would have been fucking amazing. It would have basically been the same thing as Archer being the master and Saber being his servant.

>>21989901
I don't like thinking about what he did to Saber. I'm not a fan of her, but christ, the butchering of her character in Zero and these past Fate works she was shoved into just..makes me want to put her out of her misery.

>>21989190
Become a Dead Apostle via magecraft.

>>21990746
Shirley was too pure to live

>>21989901
That reminds me: was "Saber was actually a shit king" a thing before Zero?
Like the whole spiel about Artoria in the Fate route was that she had been a well-meaning, responsible ruler, who blamed herself for the fall of her kingdom, and wished to undo her reign.. There was zero implication that she was terrible in general at her role, aside from that one mention of Tristan being a faggot.
Yet, what I see for the most part is that even the fandom treats her being a shit king as gospel, and not just the secondaries, but even VN readers who disliked Zero.

>>21990794
Weird, here on my local communities her being a shit king was never something that we ever believed. Our interpretation was and is that she just didn't think she was the best individual to have pulled the sword from the anvil, even after Zero.

>>21990794
Nope, wasn't a thing before Zero. She was a great king, and much better then either Alexander and Gilgamesh, seeing as both of their kingdoms are gone now and they were absolute tyrants with no care for their people. Ironically, that was shown by Saber herself in the scene that popularized the "Saber was a shit king" gospel.
Her downfall was her inhumane attitude towards emotions (her try at being a perfect king) which is part of the reason she was a great king, but also the reason some people had dislike towards her. Rejecting Mordred was just the icing on the cake. It had nothing to do with what Gilgamesh and Rider criticized during the banquet. They hit a strawman, basically.
>>21990806
Why the Fate route is a lot better then what people think. Saber was shown that she is only human, and that the position of "perfect king" she was trying to reach was impossible, but that regardless she did her absolute best for the kingdom. It's sad that this great character is relegated to having huge ass titties with a complete rewrite of her.

https://twitter.com/OK_squared_/status/1168103681494933504

>>21991004
nice meme

>>21990957
You know, the more I think about it, did zero do more damage to the franchise than people believe,

>>21991171
I don't understand why anybody actually likes zero.

>>21991176
Yeah, for years i've had to argue that Zero isn't that great. I think the concept would have been fine, however Urobuchi is a pretentious hack. For all the talk that Zero is "deeper" and "more mature" than FSN because it isn't about high school students, I found it way more amateurishly, immaturely and less subtly written. The first few pages alone breaks a lot of writing rules, and I'm surprised somebody with as much acclaim as Urobuchi actually wrote that,

>>21991220
>The first few pages alone breaks a lot of writing rules
?

>>21991176
people like zero because it shows kerry being a fuckup, which adds more weight to shirou.

>>21991255
Honestly this is a big reason for me.
People shit on Kiritsugu fans all the time for being edgelords, but I personally love him because he fucks up so badly and how his ideals tie to Shirou.

>>21991226
Okay, admittedly that was poorly worded on my part. I guess I mean the Lns try to insist a lot about Kiritsugu, instead of showing us what he's like. The first several pages, before the scene where Illya is born, tell us all about kiritsugu's ideals in a very clumsy and unnatural manner, instead of him explaining his own ideals to us or us seeing them in practice. We're told outright by the third person narrator how foolish and tragic kiritsugu's ideals are before we even get a real scene with him. It's trying to insist a theme and a tragedy first, before actually introducing the characters in question. We're told about kiritsugu and everything about him before meeting him. Thankfully the anime cut this bit of exposition.

>>21991273
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the LN start with Illya getting experimented on?

>>21991273
>trying to insist a theme and a tragedy first

Because Fate/Zero is written as a Shakespearean tragedy is it not?

>>21991280
Not from what i read. There was a long passage before her birth and experimentation.
>>21991286
That's a fair enough point. I suppose i just didn't like Urobuchi's actual implementation

I pray this new studio has nothing to do with extraverse or fgo. Please let it be something either related to his older works or something totally new.

>>21991331
That is nigh impossible.

>>21991331
Anon, you know that's impossible.

>>21990794
Nasu kind of made it canon by making her a glorified figurehead who knows how to shoot laser beams and had the good luck that Morgan's children (except for Mordred) were competent to carry her rule. The kingdom was destined to fall apart after Agravain died, the man who was really administrating the kingdom from the shadows.
Plus to make Morgan the real daughter of Uther who has the real claim of the throne kind of painted Artoria as an usurper who never got her just desserts. It just feels that Merlin sabotaged Britain to fall. Why give the throne to someone who can't actually secure the dynasty?

ok redpill me on fate. As someone who has never dove into the material in depth and only has a passing interest in the series due to seeing fan art, who is the best girl? Saber, Rin, or Sakura?

Is Sakura as thicc in the material as she is in the OP pic? or is that just a hentai exaggeration?

>>21991417

>>21991417
>Is Sakura as thicc in the material as she is in the OP pic?
OP pic is Nurse Sakura and BB in CCC. BB's 3sizes are B85/W56/H87.
That pic is drawn by Koyama for a CCC official artbook btw.

>>21991417
Sakura is supposed to be pretty thick, yeah, though Takeuchi isn't a great artist and especially in 2004 he did not know how to draw boobs so she doesn't look great in the VN.
All 3 FSN girls are great in my opinion, just read it and make your own choice.

>>21991441
Those measures are actually the exact same as Sakura's official sizes, she just usually gets better artists.

>>21991417
Sakurafags everyone

>>21991417
Fate is inferior to other stuff, that includes the girls.
Don't waste your time.

tfw no seiba gf

Tamamo-chan is the best post-2010 Servant.
Gawain is great too (in Extra).

>>21991786
think about it for a second
do you really want a gf after all?

>>21991809
That isn't exactly a high standard.

>>21991811
True, just saying there a couple I unironically like even though they're in with the shitpile.
To be fair Extra was still before it got really bad for me.

>>21991809

Any Case Files LN reader here? I heard that there's a reference to May Riddell in vol 4 and in the anime they cut that part. Is it true ?

>>21991470
This picture is the closest we'll ever get to Takeuchi drawing a thicc Sakura, I'm pretty sure.

>>21991809
Mi familia

>>21992696
Back when his noses weren't hideous. I miss those days.

what reason does the mooncell have to be a giant f/sn fag anyway? it makes no sense.

a fuyuki grail war obviously happened, but why does it have a boner for every single character? You'd think it has seen more impressive shit over the course of history.

>>21992764
Because it has Crimsom Moon's brain, and I bet he is a pervert.

>>21992696
Actually on Hollow Ataraxia threesome with rider and sakura CG, she got acceptable thiccer.

>>21991809
Gawain is my favorite sysadmin.

>>21991809
Tamamo is great. Shame Nasu turned her into a cuck in Extella.

>>21993211
While I do think she was mistreated and her route was boring as shit, her actually acting evil at times was probably the least bad thing about Extella. At least her character was still fun.

>>21993294
Oh absolutely. I honestly wish she was more evil, and her route, while still badly written and bland like the rest, was the most fun and interesting, and interactions with her were great even with Hakuno being a little bitch. Her character also felt more nuanced, which pissed me off a little, cause I would be genuinely interested in a scene with her, and then Nero/Liz/Altera would drain my brain cells and enjoyment everytime they showed up.

>>21991171
>>21991176
It got me into T-M, and aside from the parts with Saber, I think it's good.
Yes, most of the characters are one-note, but I think Gen gave sufficient development to the ones who actually matter.
Also, you can't really blame a work for the fanbase's reaction. I'm pretty sure "muh fate zero is fate stay night but actualy mature" retards are only limited to the Western fandom.

>>21992764
Because Extra is a blatant cheap rip off to try to make money out nostalgia fag. That's why the game over doesn't even feature Tamamo but Extra Rin.

>>21991810
This, to be honest. I have barely enough time to read visual novels and watch anime, to hell with wasting even more of it. 2d is the best.

>>21993606
Can't really disagree with this. The LN still sucks though. Fate/Zero pretty much only got its popularity from the anime, so there's that.

Psycho-Pass is still the superior Urobuchi work. Fate/Zero fucking pales in comparison to that masterpiece.

>>21995279
>you will never experience the pure joy and fun that was Psycho Pass season 1 while it was airing ever again
Fuck I miss those days.

>>21995316
The only thing you can hope for is that season 3 gives the same experience, it's only about a month away so.

>>21995321
There is a 0% chance it will be any good.

>>21995323
Depends on the staff. Season 2 got fucked over because they got Tow Ubukata as the writer and he's an even bigger hack then Nasu. What has me the most worried is that they haven't even announced any of the staff yet.
The movie was pretty good though. Not up to par for the original season, but its a far far better addition to the canon. Haven't seen Sinners of the System yet cause lack of translation.

I would like to say that, after some hard and numerous days studying the current lore, since Notes. and reading all that Quantum Time Lock shit, Second Magic and FGO timeline, I came to a conclusion;
Without a doubt, everything is possible inside FGO timeline and it has a potential of being a concurrent competitor of the root, overwriting the registers of akasha. And for some reason, I think this is intentional.

>>21996502
A thought struck me as FGO might be the closest we get to a "Fate/Unified field theory" that the lore allows. Like Unified field theory it was heavily derided as 'impure" initially by those who adopted a purist approach to science.

>>21996807
What, did you expect moving anime characters to look like a finished illustration?

>>21996807
>when an anime doesn't have a big budget

>>21996924

>>21996924
for want of good actual grades went her I suppose?

>>21997602
Nice

>>21997602
Flower from Wada Arco

>>21997607
Flower from Koei Tecmo Games

>>21997602
>Niinou Kazuya
Worked on
>Dragon Quest Builders (2016)
>Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn (2013)
>Black Rock Shooter: The Game (2011)
>Fate/Extra (2010)
>7th Dragon (2009)
>Etrian Odyssey (2007)
>Trauma Center: Second Opinion (2006)
>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner - >Raidou Kuzuno (2006)
>Trauma Center: Under the Knife (2005)
>Hamtaro: Ham-Ham Heartbreak (2002)
>Hamtaro: Ham-Hams Unite! (2001)

>>21996924
>>21997028
No

>>21979067
>Dead or irrelevant
Just you wait, ORT and the Crimson Moon will surely show up in FGO!

>>21998879
They won't

What do you guys think about this Sacchin?
I think she would look cooler if she had a different ourfit.

>>21999170
ORT is going to appear in the Lostbelts, and one of the crypters was a TA. So the CM is technically back, since one of his spares is now in Chaldea.

>>21999257
>ORT is going to appear in the Lostbelts
official infomations =/= your ass

>>21999257
Consort Yu was created by Gaia only. She isn't related to Crimson Moon.

I've enjoyed FSN and especially Tsukihime along with their sequels, but I'm having trouble with installing Sensei's game. How do I install it along with patching it?

>The studio is currently hiring for four positions- Programmer, art designer, game designer, and project manager- For which they have pages up on their official website, along with details which may shed like on what their future projects will be like.

>The studio is going to be a small-scale studio of around 10 members, and they are looking for people who understand Type-Moon works, and either have experience in the gaming industry and wish to experience indies-style development or already are in indie development.

>The staff are going to be working on 2D action games, 2D RPGs, and 2D strategy games with Unity and Unreal Engine 4.
>Studio BB is prioritising programmers with experience with smartphones and home consoles, suggesting that these are the platforms they will be focusing on.
>Studio BB is seeking artists with experience with making pixel art (sprites) and animations as well as 3D models and animations suggesting that they are looking into both 2D and 3D games.
>They are looking for a project manager with business level English skills which suggests that they might be looking into overseas releases.
>The game designer page says that they are looking for someone with experience with 2D action game development experience as well, which could mean that they would be looking into that first (as Niinou primarily has experience with RPGs, however, this could simply mean be to cover something that he has less expertise in)

>>21999466
https://organicsautomata.tumblr.com/mahoyo

>>21999305
The last lostbelt is
>■■ Forest ■■ ■■■·■■■■■
Obviouslyt is going to be the crystal forest of ORT
>>21999305
All True Ancestors are Crimson Moon copies made by Gaia.

>>21999753
/g/ays should send applications in masa, and if contracted, keep pestering Nasu about the remake and ddd3 until he goes insane.
Gaslight and pester him by writing ddd on places he can see. Keep placing sligthly different pics of Aoko in the wall (each one looking a bit older than the last one). Track down the model that inspired Arc and pay her to call Nasu and ask for the remake. Replace the pappers on his table with Girl's Work script.

>>22000170
True Ancestors are by definititon the image abd similarity of CM. Do you really think Yu has the same appearance as Arcueid?
Also, ORT can indeed appear. But thats it. Unless you prove that Lostbelt 7 is Notes. events, then he will be still sleeping there waiting for the other planets to attack.

>>22000226
Last time something similar happened, it didn't went well.

/a/ IS MAKING FUN OF US AGAIN

FAT Eltnam

>>22000266
>True Ancestors are by definititon the image abd similarity of CM.
not anymore. hinako is a very special snowflake do not steal TA created by gaia to be a secretary or some shit, but then never actually does what she was built for and just is emo over being bullied by humans.

>>22000284
Context?

>>22000293
WHERE!?

>>22000368
End of Evangelion

>>22000293
Silly anon, /a/ is mostly pretty anti-FGO.
The only people there who actually defend FGO are the ones who spent the last 4 years on /fgog/ and deluded themselves into thinking FGO is good at all. So really, they're more /vg/ than /a/ at this point.

>>22000424
Ah, that would do it.

>>22000453
I'm still amazed that there are people that consider FGO to be good. It's like they live in their own pocket dimension.

>>21999753
>Smartphones
It never ends

>>22000623
What did you expect? After FGO I always said that the future of TM is on smartphones first, consoles second. They might phase out PC entirely for BB.

>>22000656
Anon they said smartphones AND consoles. If they're just making RPG-maker tier stuff and small action games as far as 2D stuff goes no reason why they wouldn't it put it on smartphone too.
PC gaming is super dead in Japan though, yeah. Like, deader than even VNs.

>>22000669
Yes, I know.

>>22000312
As far as I read here in her description she is only called True Ancestor because she came to be in a similar manner as the Brunestud, but she is not or at least there is no mention of her being a Brunestud herself.

>>21993211
>>21993294
I'll never not be mad that they haven't included Archer and Caster routes as possible starting points in Extella.

>>22001102
Brunestud is the name of the TAs that can manifest the Millennium Castle and act as vessels for Crimson Moon, so not being called Brunestud just mean she's a low tier TA

>>22001143
they didn't even include the nero route.

nasu had to literally make up an entirely seperate timeline, the details of which he only published on his fucking blog. all to justify both nero and tamamo wanting hakunos cock, and nothing else.

>>22001144
Just read her bio, she was described very clearly as not being the same "type of bloodsucker".
But this can be decided with proof that she can use the Millenium Castle Brunestud, I will be honest, I have not read everything about her in lostbelt 3, so if you have any text showing any glimpse of this basic connection, I will be glad.

>>22001143
Both Extella games are so fucking bad. I mean I wasn't fond of the writing in either of the Extra titles but they look good by comparison.

What the fuck was Nasu thinking

>>22001193
That too, but apparenty the blogpost mentioned Caster's route for Extella Zero at least, only to ultimately have them do nothing with it in the game.

>>22001204
I sometimes think Nasu actually retired a long time ago and TM has been hiring ghost writers all this time while Nasu's name is just for promotion

>>22001233
I mean he never showed himself, so you can't actually prove the opposite.

>>22001204
he's an old man that probably has a midlife crisis all his money can't fix

https://twitter.com/nitroplus_staff/status/1168826222190706690

the new nitroplus project is another smartphone mobage.

meanwhile the only other VN that they still have in "production" is on the backburner because its writer is working on the azur lane anime instead.

>>22000522
>It's like they live in their own separate timeline.
FTFY

>>22001242
People at the FGO localization team have seen him (but that might be just hearsay)

>>22001452
The total death of the VN industry is so depressing. I wish I knew Japanese in like 2005. It would have been amazing to get into so many classics as they were coming out instead of way after the fact.

>>21979004
can't rape the willing

>>22000304
Those are some perfect tits for a paizuri

>>22000226
Silly anon, Aoko cannot look old.

>>22001452
But didn't they also just announce another non-gachashit projected related to Muramasa, and an actual Urobuchi thing that could be an anime or a game?
moogy seemed pretty hopeful about those on twitter.

>reading case files
>under the clocktower there's a giant fucking maze made from the dead body of some giant fucking dragon full of spirits and treasures and shit
Did I read that right? That's awesome.

>>22001810
Yeah I heard about that when volume 8 came out. Sounds interesting, no wonder the Association headquarters ended up being there.

>>22001714
Im not making any statements until there are offical press releases instead of just hearsay from concert visitors, but if anything the muramasa project is very likely to be gacha shit. They already made an tokyo necro gacha and as far as anybody knows the Muramasa writer died like 10 years ago. There's been zero signs of life from him and I really doubt he'd come back now.

>>22001924
anyway, muramasa win 18 edition is on sale for 18 bucks on dmm, so that's way better than TM doing a physical release of the 2004 f/sn for full price, with no CD and only a download code inside the box.

>>22000170
Hinako isn't even a True Ancestor
>The incarnation of an Elemental, a vampiric creature that makes a living by draining energy. Different from both Magical and Phantasmal Beasts, she was born in the inner sea of the earth in order serve as a surface terminal of maintenance. While closely related to those labelled as “True Ancestors” in the magus world what with how similar their developmental processes are, their very existence is that of a different kind of bloodsucker. Not even she’s aware of her true origins, though, due to the fact that the fae and zhenren mentioned in Ancient Chinese legend didn’t become self-aware of their own existence until far off into the future.

>checking alignments for JK fox quest
>Nero bride
>Chaotic-Bride

What the fuck is this shit, how does it work and would it work on the fox?

I'm finally reading mahoyo, it's kind of a bitter sweet feeling. On one hand, it's pretty good so far. On the other, it's sad knowing it's type moon's last VN ever

>>22003917
Yeah, it is pretty nostalgic and I would say it is even refreshing. I really miss that narrative. I liked a lot that initial part about the cats.

>>22004370
>I liked a lot that initial part about the cats.
That and Ataraxia's horror story are amazing openings, which just prove Nasu can do it and just doesn't give a shit anymore.

>>22004370
The cat thing made me genuinely feel uncomfortable despite the cutesy art style.

>>22004444
Why did Nasu stop giving a shit after Mahoyo failed?

>>22005068
It didn't fail. It did just well. Nasu's used to doing very verh well.
It was the 7th best selling VN of 2012, what clearly wasn't enough for him.

>>22005068
mahoyo is the one short phase in nasus life where he went full art snop without takeuchi telling him to put retarded shit in.

for some reason he must have actually thought he could achieve #1 sales with nothing but his writing quality. No voices, no rro, no skimpy outfits, no choices, roughly 20h long and very openly part 1 of a series. Then they make fgo and he lets takeuchi turn every female into literal whores.

now he pretends he never cared about VNs and all and just wants to make games, but he's clearly butthurt as fuck about his passion project deeply connected to his origin as a writer not having met some retarded goal he set for himself.

>>22007101
Thank you reddit, very cool.

>>22005068
Stop this stupid meme.

>>22005425
Nasu was never aiming or thinking Mahoyo would be the next big thing or particularly successful.
He just wanted to do his origin story justice.
The project that became FGO was the next step, along with Extra stuff.
That has taken up all of his time since.

>>22008842
>He just wanted to do his origin story justice.
which he didn't, and sold out instead.