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First post for Opatos. Muwahahahahahahaha!

>>21969452
>TFW no ehekatl
why live

>Don't get a single wish from a fountain since 2 ingame years or so
>Finally get one
>Then this happens
Someone is dying today

>>21970335
that means you had wishes years previously and your wish stock is 0,it increases by 1 for every year without wishes

>>21970335
You can still get wishes that way, it just gets increasingly rarer for every successful wish. Rarity decreases every new year.

>>21970542
There's no stock of wishes for drinking from wells. You just have an increased chance of getting that "You feel as a stroke of good fortune passed by" message instead of a wish.

It's like 1/(1 + well wish count - years progressed) to successfully get a wish.
100% chance (1/1) at first, 50% chance (1/2) next, then 33% (1/3), and so on. Going down one every new year.

>>21970335
>A motherfucking eternal force
We are even now.

>>21970972
Did you know? The pierce% bonus from the rock-throwing enchantment isn't reduced by the enemy's armor skills. Of course, it's not as strong as maximum vorpal, but it's much easier to get.

>>21971035
Really? Neat.

Is it dead?

>>21971123
who?

When I cast Mist of Frailness, its level/experience doesn't go up. What's the deal?

>>21971551
What are you casting it on? Some things, like summoned enemies, don't give exp.

>>21971567
>like summoned enemies, don't give exp.
Ah. What's even the point of summon enemy then?

>>21971574
To summon enemies

>>21971608

OK. Testing the massive damage enchants in the void the wiki is outdated for plus.
Using massive damage against undead/dragons with one # only deals about 10% extra with 130 enchant value.
Since massive damage against gods only gives 80 enchant for 1 # I assume it will be worse. Need to do more tests to confirm.

>>21971941
Which page are you looking at? https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Enchantments_(Elona%2B) should be up to date.

>>21971941
dmghp tc, orgdmg / 30 * (rnd(20) + inv(STARTING_INV_ITEM_ENCHANT + cnt * 2 + 1, cw)) / 50 + 1, cc

>>21972038
>>21972004
Both of those do seem to say the same thing.



It's this page that's out of date: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Equipment_attributes

>>21971620
>>21971567
>The Q y @ summons give EXP
Neat

Is there any way to change my character sprite to a static monster one? Playing an "unconventional" race while still looking like a human is weird.

Since when did elona get a chinese mobile game?

https://www.tap.io/app/79072
https://youtu.be/6jtUEIrMQHc

>>21972004
I am not based any more

>>21972711
This is wrong. i refuse to believe this is in any way associated with elona.

Does the bad dream that removes extrinsic resistance to an element kill the entire resistance stack or just one corpse ''worth'' of it?

>>21972711
>>21972941
They asked Noa's permission for the name use but Noa isn't otherwise involved in the development.

>>21972946
1 corpse worth.

>>21973824
Ah, good. That's managable. Thanks anon.

I have never seen this status effect 'unconcious' before,i got comboed from full HP to death because i was unable to do any action

>>21975905
It goes Dim -> Muddled -> Unconscious.

>>21975905
You need more sound resistance.

>>21975916
If it is worth anything the mental image of a brontosaurus making shounen battles look like a joke is something i enjoyed quite a bit.

Do enemies really have sp/mp? they spam shit like its going out of style,how would a stamina/mana drain build fare?

>Suddenly enter into a murderous rage to get unique figurines
>Stab lily because she asked me
>Bah she will come back
>Come back to noyel to give her pots to restore my karma
>She isn't there
>Cast resurrect
>She is not there to revive
>Pael is now an orphan
My hands are tainted by sin and now they will never be clean. Might as well nuke palmia

>>21977230
>Immediatly after resolving to do this and buying the nuke they finally stock deeds of palace
This is a clear message. What i am doing is right, i am now free.

>>21977277

>>21977302

Where can i stock up on acidproof potions?

Is the whatever works spritesheet cute, or do I have to rely on an outdated spritesheet?

>>21976719
>Do enemies really have sp/mp?
Yes.
>how would a stamina/mana drain build fare?
Pretty meh.
>stamina
I'm not even sure whether enemies actually use stamina or not and whether they suffer from tiredness due to lack of it. Even if they did, being low on stamina only reduces speed and would prevent them from using certain abilities. You can't actually kill an enemy that way. What's more, everything that drains stamina also does damage. You're very likely to kill the enemy before you manage to drain them of stamina.
>mana
This one sort of works, actually. Eye of mana applies MP bleed to an enemy and magic reaction happens even if the enemy isn't a caster. It's actually even more useful against them since they're likely to have a comparatively low MP pool. It does come in handy to kill some uniques when you're still too weak for a direct confrontation via Eye of mana -> teleport, but you need to carefully manage your stamina and you can't really use it as your main way of dungeon clearing. Mana drain on weapons isn't as useless as with stamina drain, but again, you're likely to kill the enemy or die before it comes into play.

>>21980019
You can use the negotiation feats to finish off tired enemies. It'd be an interesting combo, sp weapons + talking.

>>21980075
I think someone is trying an ONLY talking build at the moment since talking also drains stamina by a decent bit.

>>21980019
There was an abyss in the eye thingy that made eye of mana stronger right?

>>21980795
yes

The tour lady spawned while i was already inside the town,is that supposed to happen or not?

>Jure is 6"3
Never really got that impression from any fan art.
How mind numbingly grindy would it be to get her speed to 2000?

>>21982873
No different from a standard speed grind to 2000.

>>21982873
I just assumed all the gods appear as small giants just for intimidation factor,wouldnt be really as shocking if your god was the same height as your average person would it?

>>21982894
I thought the higher the INI the higher the level of the monster giving the AP has to be? I'm at around void level 450 currently.

>>21982873
just get a pet with 2000 speed right off the bat bro

>>21982932
muh Jure though. I need to have something to do once I max out in however many thousand hours that'll take

>>21982932
muh Jure though. I need to have something to do once I max out in however many thousand hours that'll take. Depending on the answer I may try to do this with all the inner god pets.

>>21982989
Just get uber opatos and make his custom AI spam the instant kill move,easy game

>>21972711
How hard would it be to port Elona plus to mobile?

>>21982930
Most of the speed grind does not come from AP since it caps at 800.

>>21983417
I am guessing its by farming speed uppers/Hermes blood? sounds tedious as hell considering how little speed they provide for their cost

>>21983542
With the new changes allowing you to gain speed experience by fighting things faster than you outside of the Void, it's already somewhat better than what it used to be.

>>21983653
>Speed experience
uh,i didnt knew this existed,let me look it up

>>21983352
You've never looked at source.hsp, have you?

>>21983672
It's been a thing since vanilla elona, actually. Drinking Hermes Blood back then would have diminishing returns due to potential dropping, much like normal stats. E+ moved traveling to speed and added swimming. Both of those skills also give speed experience, but they're kind of a pain to grind. Speed exp gain from faster enemies is a relatively new thing.

>>21983352
Hell if you're going to port it anywhere, port it to a language that's easier to fucking work with first. The HSP source code is a god damn mess.

>>21983542
It used to be the best way to grind speed was to duplicate a billion statues of yacatect and activate them on days when you'd get small medals which you could trade in for hermes blood. These days eating herbs trains speed and in 1.91 you'll also train speed by killing enemies faster than you.

I think eating herbs on their own is better than using them in herbed food recipes. The stat gains are good, rare herbs pretty much always level up two stats and curarias aren't too bad either. You can eat a ton of non-stomafilias all at once as opposed to herbed food which instantly bloats you.

>>21985975
If eating individual herbs gives out the same stat gain compared to food made using the herb in recipe then what you're saying is indeed useful. If it isn't, herbed food filling you up to 'Bloated' status isn't an issue in the slightest as you can make use of a hungry demon ranch in order to drain your satiety, allowing you to continually stuff your mouth with herbed-in curarias 24/7.

Newbie here. Is there a resource lying around somewhere that can help me with Elona Extender? The installer's written in moonrunes and I can;t make heads or tails of it.

How strong does the black jewel of nefia affect the dungeon? stuff level 300 ish are almost comparable to normal lv900+ mobs

>>21987819
Doesn't it just make it so every mob is scaled to the same level as the dungeon levels? And adds weird effects on the floors

>>21987819
>>21987825

Yeah, lvl 300 awakened dungeon just makes the mobs lvl 300. There might be some effect that made them seem stronger, i know some dungeons give timestop to npcs, for instance.

>>21980019
>Mana drain on weapons isn't as useless as with stamina drain, but again, you're likely to kill the enemy or die before it comes into play.
Most of the time. Except things drastically stronger than you that have convergence breath.
Since MP drain weapons seem to drain MP every single hit, it adds up really quick. And since those shits heal so easily and fast, the stronger ones can often last a really long time. After a few hundred or thousand turns of bullshit, magic reaction ends up killing off large percentages of their health by itself.
So high magic resistance (Converge turns any element into straight magic for the attack) and an MP drain weapon is a great strategy there.

>>21987921
Are you the guy who was fighting a dragon twice their level and got mad it was a tough fight?

>>21987921
>Most of the time.
Indeed, and anon was asking about a stamina/mana drain run. Against 99% of the enemies mana drain does little to nothing on account of raw damage killing the target before magic reaction happens.
>After a few hundred or thousand turns of bullshit
See, that's the thing. Combat shouldn't normally take hundreds of rounds.

>>21970050
Why is lulwy naked

>>21988719
She hates clothes. Ironically, she also hates perverts. Part of why she's always mad is because of her reputation. I'm not sure if the idea of changing her lifestyle or pattern of speech has ever occurred to her, or if she's also mad that she'd have to.

>>21988757
Doesnt lumiest have like 6 statues of her? sounds like very good reputation to me,maybe she is just salty that her weapons are obsolete in a era where guns exist

also funny how can a deranged girl fabricate and sell nukes in a backwater town

>>21986927
Hungry demons ain't what they used to be. I'm certain that rare herbs add more to their two stats than herbed in food will add to those same two stats, but since herbed food trains all stats that doesn't tell the whole story. I suspect that eating plain herbs trains speed more quickly than herbed food does, but I don't have any proof.

If your bottleneck is the number of herbs you have, you may or may not be better off eating herbed food. Would be interesting to hear if anyone has real data on that. If you have plenty or herbs and your hunger is the bottleneck you are certainly better off eating plain herbs.

>>21990293
just look at the source code, good grief

>>21990293
Normal herbs don't specialize in speed, only the herb bit does that.

>>21990300


From the 1.90 source:

Herb bit = + 2,000 to pc, + 10,000 to pet 18k and 90k total
This doesn't get multiplied by food exp bonuses.


Morgias = 900 str, 700 con, 10 to the rest (inc speed) 1.7k total
*If* that is boosted 5x, it'd be 4,500 str, 3,500 con, 50 rest 8k total

4 down, 4 to go.

>>21988315
Mad at a dragon? No.
I was just frustrated at a dark koala 4x my level with 2x my stats. Because it was an abnormal challenge I couldn't figure out. Other things of that level and even stronger are pushovers with decent strategy. But converge breath heals faster the more the creature is hurt, for like 33% regardless.
>>21988684
Yeah it shouldn't. Most of the time. But it is indeed useful in the rare case of challenges. Like wanting to clear all the Nefia on the continent regardless of level and boss before it changes over.
Definitely no worth making a "build" over. But at least worth noting.

>>21990599
You probably could just use the negation feats now, sp doesn't go past 1000, so as long as you can do 1 point, you'll be good.

>>21990654
I tried those. Way too many turns waiting for SP to restore, even following Kumi. And they are not very accurate at all, so it often takes several tries to get anything through.

>>21990672
.... accurate? It hits everything in the screen 100%. The sp cost is a pain, but you can recover it with soda or the restore body spells. It's not as good as stabbing things, but it's better than magic reaction.

>>21991135
"Werewolf detective" doesn't mean "detective specializing in werewolves", it means "werewolf trying to pass himself off as a detective".

How do you deal with this soul-sucking grind to solo kill the inner gods? i am going mentally numb every day,grooming a pet to do the dirty work was way faster

>>21993530
Bit at a time. Play other games sometimes, or whatever.

>>21993530
I didnt know my ehekatl was this lewd

>>21993530
Its not that bad, spend AP for speed and Life at leold in act 3 as well as the music tickets he gives from killing high level enemies (best to find them in the void), herbs farms using many kumiromi statues and jewels gained from turning in little sisters, money from fishing and cooking with the <super lure> and selling them in your shop, blessed scrolls of wonder and potential potions from the rank 1000 magic shops in your home (or buy 10 at a time from each souvenir if your desperate and have millions of gold to burn) and train on the sand bagged enemy in acts 2's casino using platinum from meteoring panic! quests for up to 10 pp a time. I wedge a coin facing the direction the sandbagged enemy is and check on it every few minutes to train up my melee skills. Drop points into Cure of Jure if you can't be bothered getting max everything, getting full heal back in 3 turns is great.

>>21993530
Actually could you walk through what you did to get your pet to that level? Or is it the same as you do for yourself but only eaiser due to the increased effect of potions and herbs on pets?

>>21995230
here are my stats at the moment,i will turn sandbag training on and see what happens

>>21995234
Bell of termination,rubynus gear where static artifacts werent slotted,and tons of hero cheese,spam first aid kids on the bell anytime she went low

i admit i cheesed the inner kumi fight for that sweet sweet +300 CON weapon,that way she could handle the rest of the pantheon easily sans stuff like on one hit kills triggering basically invited all gods to my home,closed them in a 3x3 space,sent something in so they aggroed each other and save scummed until at least kumi died so i could nab the weapon for my pet

>>21995234
Here is the pet from the past file,,i am pretty sure bells are immune to everything but pure magic,poison,bleed and physical attacks,so only had to up her magic resist and life stat

speaking about bells,if you capture a mimic can you make it move? could a group of chaos mimic lock a high level enemy down to death?

>>21995324
>>21995347
Sorry in advance for the wall of text.
Sandbang with a ton of platinum is like great training, I can see something though. Make sure you're getting all your gear to +15, first to +10 with blacksmith shops, then to +15 with stardust (something I didn't know about until recently). You've done really well for just 50 hours in and have a great character to work off of. Leold in act 3 gives a repeatable quest to kill a monster of a certain level or higher, the more times you do the quest the higher the reward, it caps out at 3000 tickets per completion which is the fastest way to get tickets, use scrolls of escape and return to go from:

Leold in Ulm-Leson(takequest) -> Return to cradle of chaos -> escape scroll to map and south to Shrine of the guardian -> <Norne> teleport to Larna -> Return teleport to Void -> Kill creature of the level needed -> teleport back to Larna -> <Norne> teleport to Shine of the guardian ->Return to Ulm-leson (hand in quest to Leold

Repeating this it takes maybe 20-30 minutes to get enough tickets for a Magic Fruit or a Hero Cheese depending on how long it takes to kill a monster of the level you need.
Get your life stat to 300 with AP from Leold then go for tickets. For speed its blessed potion of speed upper combined with speed increasing food like quantom creature corpses and the very occasional hermes potion from small medals. Just that and getting your primary attack skill up should do it. Maybe some evasion and greater evasion training while wearing the <Tempest Choker>

>>21995471
Wouldn't it be easier to just farm a high level nefia nearby? if available of course,what is the cap on leold quest?

>>21995488
The reward stays at 3000 tickets and one bronze coin per completion but the level monster required goes up by 5 (I think) each time. I also think the reward caps when the monster you need to kill is 500 or more. In the begining its easy with a nefia but eventually it becomes difficult and far easier to simple enter the void, especially if you're using this as your method of grinding tickets, which is superior to party time! quests even at 2000 charisma, high level gem spell for a charisma boost and fascination dance (about 1000-2000 tickets per completion, the party time! quests aren't guarenteed to appear on the job board either)

>>21995526
Useful info,many appreciate anon! i will try grinding my tactics to cap point first,then 2H,Longsword and eye of mind

>>21995568
Godspeed anon =)

>>21995471
Blessing affects speed uppers?

>>21995610
i think a better question would be what blessed doesnt affect (Consumable wise)

>>21995610
I think so? Actually I'm not sure, I just automatically bless everything important.
>>21995617
This is THE mindset.

>>21995610
No change. Speed upper is a fixed 1 point increase + potential reset to 400% regardless of whether it's blessed or not.

>>21995610
Response from the Discord is no, it doesn't. You learn something new about this game all the time.

List your favorite 3 waifus in order:
1.Lazy older sister
2.Blessed Jure
3.Dark Elea

>>21995856
Yacatect
Yacatect
Yacatect

Mega is such a shitty host now
Is there a different 1.90 link for E+ than the one on the wiki? The google drive one is down

>>21995856
1-Ehekatl
2-The slime enemy that morphs randomly
3-Shade

>>21995526
He also eventually stops giving quests for it, I don't remember what level it was, probably 1k-2k. But, at that point, you're plenty OP anyway.

Requesting permission to give up or play something else

i am this >>21995324

>>21996226
She's only got ~4Mhp. You just gotta hit her 300 times (assuming no heals.) You'll be fine.

But, why are you fighting her so soon?

>>21996226
Not fought her yet but I didn't run out of mana fighting any but Blessed Jure due to her healing. You're gonna want at least 1000 in tactics, eye of mind and your chosen weapon skill. This is me and I could get destroyed without proper use of buffs, debuffs or just dumb luck. To be fair I'm also using martial arts and have the chance to hit 8 times per turn so maybe thats it. Also pre the 1.9 MA nerf so that helps.

>>21996497
Funny how i am almost your same level (obviously because i play on overdose and levels dont really reflect how strong you are)

i am just grinding void floors 260+ leveling once for every 2-3 kills and eating herbed horse corpses,looks like it will take many more hours to stand a slim chance i guess

and yeah my only high skill is tactics at 1100 ish,all others are below 600 mark

>>21996564
use herbed herbs and wall yourself off with a hungry demon in the puppy cave, might be borong as hell but its optimal. (or at least I hope it is considering the hours I spent doing it)

>>21996788
A less grindy alternative would be to get a pet hungry demon and set its AI to keep the double hunger status on you. They can throw greater potions after evolving, so they can actually be useful in combat, especially if you're going for the lightning damage/wet/element scar combo.

>>21996837
>>21996788

Just go to noyel and bind a training machine to, say, 5, herbs to 6 and lulwy's statue to 7. Hold down 5 till hungry. HIt 6. If the weather clears hit 7.

It'll go plenty fast.

>>21990334
Thanks, I appreciate it.

>>21995856
Black Angel
Golden Knight
Omake rival adventurer

Is there a way in E+C to dump a stack of food into a pet's inventory and have them eat it as they get hungry? They seem to be ignoring it.

>>21997334
You need to enable eating inventory food in the pet's dialogue.

>>21997334
Yes, in the custom ai options there's a setting to let them eat out of their inventory.

>>21990334
>Normal herbs don't specialize in speed, only the herb bit does that.
In source.hsp curarias are worth 100 speed experience, stomafilias are worth 50, and other herbs are worth 20. Looks like the herbed bit is worth 2000 for the player and 10000 for pets. If the 5x multiplier doesn't apply then herbed food is clearly better. If it does apply then curarias are your best bet since four of them is much less filling than an herbed meal. For pets herbed food is by far the best at everything.

>>21997372
Ahh under "other settings." Never noticed that before, thanks.

Finally cure Pael's mom. I guess you have to be in act 3 to 'finish' the quest.

>>21999827
doesnt it just advance as time passes by?

>>21999906
I don't know, but I was consistently giving her potions and it only ended her disease progressing (you can no longer give her potions) when I was in act 3.

Oh boy

>>21999827
I just checked, this is correct.

>>21999906
For the first part, every day there is a 1/20 chance of the disease progressing after giving Lily a cure corruption. After about 5 potions, you get the quest reward, and you can either euthanize her, sell her to Moyer, or keep giving her potions. At this point, when you enter act 3, her condition stabilizes and she no longer wishes to die.

There's also some mistranslated dialogue at this point for if you killed or sold Lily.
If you sold Lily, Pael stops wondering where she went and resolves to save up money to buy her back from Moyer.
If you killed her, she appears in Amur-Cage. In the current dialogue she thanks you, but she actually wonders if dying was the right thing, and if Pael is doing okay.

>>21988772
She's not so salty at the guns themselves insomuch as Mani used her to become a god.
Mani was the original "I wanna fuck my god" guy who decided to dispose of the old machine god to make them equals before he became crazy and wanted to borgify everything instead.

>>22000479
Thanks for this. Always wondered what the other outcomes of the Pael and Lily quest were like but was never willing to try them.

>>22000625
>Mani was the original "I wanna fuck my god" guy who decided to dispose of the old machine god to make them equals before he became crazy and wanted to borgify everything instead.
Do we know for sure that Mani replaced another machine god as opposed to just some other god?

>>22000867
Going by Noa's lore, I think Mani actually replaced Eyth. Eyth had descended to humanity, and Mani managed to screw Eyth out of his spot and take a role as god of machine's losing most of his mortal memories in the process.

>>22001238
>turns out the PC is eyth and thats why (s)he cant permanently die (outside of loss mode)

>>22001486
Well, pets/allies can't permanently die either in most cases. Could just apply to them too, I guess.

>>22002594
Heck, just try to permanently kill loyter or Lomias.

>>22002627
I dont get the lomias hate,its a meme thimg or its because he is a dick during the tutorial?

can we meme about orphe jobbing on every fight despite his grand talk and how a npc offs him forever?

also when its the update to kill the zanan prince

>>22002659
During the entry he's a dick and tries to make you eat a beggar that he killed. Then mocks you for it. Even the putits you fight were the beggar's pets. Why wouldn't he be hated?

If it makes you feel better, there's also fan-base in japan that like him way too much. Even making lomias body pillows.

>>22002659
>I dont get the lomias hate,its a meme thimg or its because he is a dick during the tutorial?
Lomias is an outrageous dick throughout the tutorial. No one else in the game comes close to his level. And that's the only time you really interact with him too. He totally deserves to be farmed for vindale bows.

>can we meme about orphe jobbing on every fight despite his grand talk and how a npc offs him forever?
Absolutely. Orphe was a huge jobber even back in vanilla. In plus he's almost a parody of himself.

Wanted to say thanks to the anons that gave me pet equipping advice a thread or 2 back.
Just filling the slots with some half decentish things made it so no one has died since (outside of mana reactions from mana draining enemies like twice).
I just beat Tez, and now plan to power level a bit since I hear the final boss of act 3 is a bitch to fight.
Any tips?

>>22003701

One thing to remember about Enthumesis, is that they are a proper God with a capital G. Just like ehekatl, and kumiromi, etc. Lvl 350 and everything. However, they have the god binder equipped that cuts their main attributes almost in half. They'll have about 700ish stats after the debuff, and 400ish skills. But, they'll still have all 1200 speed and the 10x boss hp modifier.

giv skeleton key
giv statue of ehekatl
I NEED EM

What are the gauge releases for the different kinds of ammo?
I know energy cell is a laser line, but the wiki doesn't seem to have the others

>>22006059
Every hour you are asleep you have a 1/10k chance of getting the statue, so sleep a lot.
The skeleton key is slightly more complicated, but your best bet is probably getting it from adventurers.

>>22006059
The most likely way to find the skeleton key is off of an adventurer. Read/cast oracle every so often and look for anything about a white key. I would imagine you could increase your chances of generating it by killing adventurers and thus forcing new ones to spawn with new inventories.

For the statue you just gotta sleep until you get it, but honestly it's not a very useful item. +77 to luck is nothing.

>>22008071
You can just hire melgut the informer in act 3 to search through adventurer inventories.

I can't believe Elona is fucking dead.

LIVE!

can you find potions of descent in shops or loot?

>>22012935
Incredibly rarely. Not so often as to rely on at all. I think I've seen one in a shop once within the last 500 hours, just visiting towns/home every couple dungeons.

>>22012945
Oh,it was mostly to use on my quantum creature to have more breeding power,but by that logic i can simply buy a fuckton of ranhes and put one creature on it as more spawn to have a steady supply of speed increasing corpses

1.90 seems to stutter when editing the characters appearance, and only on 1.90, anyone else get this? makes changing the character quite annoying.. doesn't happen with previous builds.

>>22013285
Wait,why would you be editing your character appearance? i stick with one look from character creation to the end of the file unless its to update the pcc sprite

i could understand maybe changing after each act to show a power boost or outfit change,but even then shouldnt be much issue

>>22013431
creating sprites, working on my own stuff and just testing out combinations of things in-game.

I usually stick to one pcc/sprite as well.

>>22013431
Sometimes you just want a change of pace. Sometimes the best armor you can find is ugly so you disable it at a mirror.

>>22015140
honestly i just delete all pcc parts except pcc_body_ x which are the full body ones with custom sprites usually

how do i check if my pet is immune to certain elements? so i just throw spells at it and watch its hp bar? the numbers dont seem to pop up if its on my party

>>22018165
As far as I remember, the only elemental immunity, or resistance for that matter, that passes onto pets is cResEle.
To test that just cast any spell besides straight magic on it. No HP will go down at all, but without equipment/food/etc resistances effects will still hit.
Or just check source.hsp if you're playing plus/Custom.

If you're wondering about resistances from equipment/food/etc then you could either use the mirror ability, or examine them from the NPC in town or insight lenses (plus only, single use, savescum to save).

>>22018302

Intrinsic resists can pass to pets. The problem, is the wiki is listing the level based resistances as innate, which pets don't get. So, it looks like all pets lose their resists.

Someone on the discord emailed Noa about his act 2 plans and other things.
This was his idea, and also Bethel is supposed to be spelled Vessel. And Barious is Valious.

>>22019676
And lomias's name isn't supposed to be capitalized. But we already knew that.

>>22019676
thats all neat and stuff but WHEN DO WE GET TO KILL THE ZANAN PRINCE CUNT?

>>22019766
If playing plu, never ever. Because he is getting 'redeemed'

>>22019780
Doesnt mean i cant track him down and meteor his country

does rapid growth increase the potential of stats?

>>22019786
His country largely collapsed after act 1. Last I heard in plus he was hanging with his brother in derphy.

>>22019804
No, It is separate but it does the same kind of thing. You can see what buffs do by highlighting them while viewing your 'c'haracter sheet.

Well anons, I managed to make it to Enthumesis with 220 as my highest non soma boosted stat. And while fighting her and dying I realized something.
She never moves.
Leold doesn't break through walls.
Lulwy Nudes stack and still effect enemies in a pile.

>>22021434
I then did some custom ai shenanigans to try and get my 2 party members that get mulched simply talk her gauge down while I whale on her.
Which lead to something even dumber happening.

>>22021452
On the next attempt my party members got into such a position that my firefox and porc could see her, but she was so distracted by porn she wouldn't pull them in or attack

>>22021458
Turns out porn works on the chaos child as well

>>22021642
>-70k MP
Barrier is so good.
Congrats on cheesing Enthumesis. What are you going to do now?

>>22021807
Well since I managed to get my no magic self this far, I am probably gonna try and actually grind so I can fight the god servants.
Or the Inner Gods if I feel super grindy.

Good to see that Elona threads are still around

>>22021434
Enthumesis can move,just put something so scary to battle her that she decides to move her fat body somewhere

>>22021434
So,i could for instance,stack 50 magazines at the feet of a inner god and stunlock them permanently?

>>22024342
I'm not sure, but with 37 it seemed like every other action was her commenting on the magazines or turning a page.
But this all relies on you keeping them in the square with the magazines unless you have a room just stacked with piles of Lulwy nudes.

Is this a good living weapon for combat? What am I supposed to add to it until it hits level 10?

>>22024748
>it brings an end
I'm so sorry, anon.

>>22024748
I don't like using things with "It brings an end" because I don't like dealing with ragnarok. Even if you don't care about the etherwind and all, it isn't a beneficial enchantment so I'd say no it isn't good.

>>22024342
Why do you never have spaces after commas?

>>22024814
>>22024834
Fug, another res stat stick then. Thanks anyway.

Big daddy penalty only settles in AFTER eating the little sister corpse right? cant you just farm them until you have a big stack to be set for life?

does cooking level multiply little sister corpses as well? i have never actually done it

>>22025337
>Big daddy penalty only settles in AFTER eating the little sister corpse right?
No. It's when you kill the little sister.
By the way, the penalty maximises at 10 sisters killed, where the probability of a daddy spawning is just over doubled.

>>22025390
Oh,its just twice as rare? people were speaking as if they totally vanished from your file after certain amount

>>22025426
>>22025390

It looks like it caps at 1/20ish chance of them spawning.
So they become 20 times rarer.



bdderu = limit(15 + gdata(GDATA_SISTER_KILLED) * 2, 15, 35) * 2 / 3
if ( mdata(MDATA_CAN_SAVE) == 1 ) {
if ( rnd(bdderu) == 0 ) {
flt
initlv = limit(gdata(GDATA_LEVEL), 30, 300)
novoidlv = 1
characreate -1, CREATURE_ID_BIG_DADDY, -3, 0
}
}

>>22026066
>So they become 20 times rarer.
What are you talking about? 0 sisters killed is 1/10 and 10 sisters killed is 1/23 so it's roughly twice as rare.

>>22021434
>>22021452
>>22021458
>>22021642
>>22024385
I had someone look at the code.
If you use the Lulwy nudes on an NPC while you are stealthing it gives you an instant 100% success on stealth since they 100% pay attention to the nudes if you are stealthing

>>22026080
I missed the 15 minimum in the limit function.

>>22026080
So thats from 10% per floor to about 2-3% ish chance?

>>22026270
4.3478...%. Roughly twice as rare. Just a little rarer.

>>22026113
Well, besides learning that Lulwy books give perfect stealth I learned they had nothing to do the cheesed Enthumesis victory.
As long as you almost completely box her in, wear a no teleport item, and stand at the angle the foxbrother or porc is in my previous image, Enthumesis will use none of her combat abilities and only try and fail to draw you in occasionally which might have been lessened by the Lulwy books.
So all you need to cheese her is
>rod of make wall
>a ranged attack
>prevents teleport item

>>22024748
Go get all of its enchantments wiped at that NPC who resets living weapons so you can get rid of the ragnarok enchantment. You'll lose the +5 to perception, but that's not a big deal. Use a material kit to change it to a better material (I think rubynus is best for a gun) after having it reset.

After that, how you should level it depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a gunner and use it as your main weapon, dump it full of magic damage up to level 10. Otherwise give it boosts to resists you're missing and useful stats and skills.

>>22027250
I'll look into crimson material kits then, thanks.

leona

>>22031133
what about her?

Huh, page 10 in three hours.

>>22031143
eri > fio >>>> leona

Any thoughts about Elin's Inn? I just read on the wiki that it's going to be completely different from Elin, but I'm cautiously optimistic about it.

>>22034957
If it actually gets a release I'll pick it up.
Seems like a fun concept and if it retains any of the strange weird silliness elona is known for I'll probably love it.

>>22034957
Given the track record I have no expectations. The screenshot looks nice and best of luck, but like he said it's been years.

>>22034957
Haven't heard of this before. Elona + Dwarf Fortress could be fun. Hopefully it works out this time.

>>22035021
>>22035028
>>22035718
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Noa suspend Elin mainly because his artist friend died? Or is there something else to it?

>>22036332

My understanding of events:

Elona was suspended because his friend died.

Elona shooter, was intended to advertise elona in prep for act 2. Canceled about when elona was.

Elin was made then suspended because he wanted an artist before continuing.

Elin (other) was a small released demo thing set on an island with a weird art style. I don't know if he ever intended to do anything with it.

Elin inn is the current project he's working on, that he hopes to be able to do without the artist and put on steam. If it's a success he might even hire an artist and go back to the other elin. He actually started this a while back, but he posted about it in the elin subreddit, and no one new about that sub (even the mod forgot about it)

>>22036402
Elona Shooter is technically finished, not cancelled.

Finally reached void floor 201. Time for some powerleveling.

Fun fact for anyone still using 1.90.
Ano messed up his formula for guaranteed exp for weaker enemies.
So instead of:
> (exp*.01)+10
He made it:
>exp*10.01
So it is more effective to fight weaker enemies if you want to quickly gain levels.

>>22037245
Good man, high level meteor is great for quickly leveling in the void. If you want to get all efficient and shit then level learning as much as you can before leveling up, you get more skill points based on how high your learning is and how low your level is. Its actually better to use potions of decent to lower your level then level up than it is to use them to increase your level.

>>22037810


Kinda. However, you'd need a lot of potions of descent for that to work. You'd pretty much need to drop back to level 1, or the single digits at least. If you're at level 100+ your probably not going to see any extra skill points, especially compared to the 5-15 you'd get just leveling with a blessed one.

>>22037810
>>22037842
I thought Plus removed the extra skill points for a high learning stat.

>>22012957
pretty sure using quantum creature corpses to increase speed isnt worth it

>>22037973
Nope. You can get 5-15 skill points depending on your learn and level. From the wiki:
The formula for skill point gains is as follows: SkillPoint bonus = (500 + baseLearning*50)/(300 + characterLevel*15) + 1, with a maximum of 15 and a minimum of 5.

>>22039832

As a rule of thumb, keep your learn stat ~5x your level to cap skill points.

>>22038735
Yeah just eat some curarias.

>>22039832
>>22040698
Interesting, but not useful at all without a steady supply of descent potions.

>>22041453
It's entirely possible to get the 5x ratio if you herb your stats enough. Farming is also a good source of learn xp. Eventually though, you're stuck with 5 skill points, 6 if you're a yerles.

Are there any ways to use the peer mechanics in plus for interesting things?
Like if you get a pet to cat levels of disobedience can they do anything to YOU or is it just they refuse to listen to commands?

>>22038735
>>22041413
At 400% speed potential a quantum creature corpse (in this case +4 and rank 9 food) gives .341 whereas a curia gives .196. A curia (herb) gives .508. You can use quantum creature corpses when you don't have enough farms to make many herbed herbs or for when you run out, and while the rate at which quantum creatures spawn means they'll be limited in how useful they are, increasing speed with food is a better use of your ranches than any other attribute increasing food as you can get specific herbs (morgias, alraunias etc) that do the job much better. Its still worth it.

>>22044393
Quantum creatures breed really slowly, though. You'd need to spend every follower slot you could spare on ranches.

>>22044533
yeah, mine has a breeding power of 29 which is bad, but its not really intended to be your primary source of increasing speed, but merely another method to add to the others, every little helps. I've never really used ranches for muc, they become useless for increasing your attributes when you get access to herbs and they're inferior to fishing for making food to sell.

>>22045206
A fairy ranch is an alright way to get the occasional secret experience of kumiromi. The rabbit ranch meme is a way to raise your luck a little bit if you don't want to trade your little sisters or music tickets for happy apples.

>>22047116
Just buy cakes during December. You'll usually get a luck level every 2-3 cake.

I haven't touched Elona in while, so i rely on your experience guys.
Which version you enjoy more , Omake Overhaul or Plus ?

>>22047280
Plus with Custom G for bare minimum machine translations for everything and reverting some of Ano's more stupid ideas/nerfs

>>22047280
For pure mechanics I prefer Plus, Overhaul I prefer for roleplaying characters and whatnot.

>spend one hour editing the character.bmp file adding and mixing stuff
>click save
>gimp crashes
alright,fuck this i will just do it the manual user chara way,this way its easier and safer

>>22048893
What did you do specifically? I haven't had GIMP crash in 8 years now, across dozens of computers of countless types, sometimes with 50 images and/or several animated GIFs open at once.
And why didn't you save it as you went, redundantly? I know it's only an hour's work, but still. Backing things up as you go is important no matter what the project is.
>manual user chara way
?

Ebon

>>22048930
as in,having a loose file for every enemy instead of relying on the character bmp

>>22048938
So how exactly did the crooked guy chained a fire beast? and why?

>>22049224
Apparently he tricked the fire giant, who was a chief of a giant tribe. I think it was going to get more background in act 2.

Anyway, as for why? He's a living attraction. Moyer wanted money. Never a better match was made.

>>22047280
I prefer oomSEST, a mod of Omake Overhaul. The increased numbers of events, NPC encounters, the improved character building, and the higher importance of adventurers really play to Elona's strengths as a sandbox game. Its changes from vanilla are all improvements or at worst lateral moves compared to Plus's constant two steps forward, one step back changes. oomSEST also has tons of convenience features that are hard to live without. Quick examining multiple items, pushing past neutral NPCs, seeing stat potentials and piety on your character sheet, fast fishing, auto mining, and auto collecting items after parties are some examples of good quality of life improvements.

>>22049654
>auto collecting items after parties
You're seriously listing one of Custom's old features as a reason to play Omake instead?

>>22049698
That is an odd choice. they also don't mention the ability to adjust the music volume, pop-ups or smooth scrolling.

>>22049654
>comparing a modded version of a modded version of Omake to the baseline of Plus
>listing the entire changelog when asked about the game
This is the worst, most unsubtle attempt at guerrilla advertising I've seen in months. You're just embarrassing yourself here.

>>22049898

Oh man. How much do thing he was paid? 10$ ? Might even be a suit whose browsing during a meeting for the new Omake line action figures.

>>22049922

>>22049898
Why are Plus players so insecure?

Just found a damn nice suit of armor. Don't think I'll ever replace this.

>>22050845
what the hell i literally never got more than 2 immunities when i save scummed armor crafting via pot of fusion

>>22052289
My record was 3 immunities on an rng piece from moyer. But 4? That's crazy.

>>22050845
My God. Find as in a random drop in a dungeon or after 10 hours of crafting armor?

>>22054989
Yerleswood Neo dropped it when I killed him for his card and figurine. It was originally a rubynus breastplate or something like that, but that's an easy fix. I had been crafting plate mail suits on lucky days, but nothing I got was this good. The really nice thing about it is that those status immunities barely use any enchant power, so I can load it full of whatever I want.

Speaking of, I've just about got all resistance at Superb+. What are good enchantments to put on my equipment at this point? Just stat boosts? Going vorpal to switch my lightsabers for claymores seems like an awfully big commitment for a minor damage boost.

>>22056323
Probably conveniences like thief immunity, weather immunity, travel speed, and stat sustains. Also, if you want to go full vorpal, go for spears; they have a bit of innate vorpal% and a good defense boost.

>>22056323
Well, there's vorpal, spell enhance, combines mind/sound, resists, float, any remaining immunes/see invis, and skill/stat ups.

Or you could wait for ano to add more god quests/jewels.

You'll probably never actually fill your armor out completely.

>>22056410
Stat sustains are a good idea, I'll have to keep an eye out for those. The only status resistances I'm missing are poison and etherwind, which I'd like to have but they aren't a big deal.

Travel speed does more harm than good since the faster I am the longer I have to wait for my herbs to grow. Maybe I'll trade in some little sisters for a lulwy statue or two and solve that problem once and for all.

Using spears while planning to go for full vorpal isn't a bad idea either. You could get some good use out of the rankis before you find a living weapon, maybe even after. But it wouldn't be worth doing on this character, I've already got my long sword skill trained up.

>>22056429
Is there a reason to favor mind/sound or was that just a stand in for any combined element enchantment? See invisible would be nice so I could swap my old sage helm for the usamimi.

>>22056885

Mostly just because it's the only fusion-able one yet:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact_fusion

Technically fire/ice would be stronger, but the enchant caps at 750 and it's hard to reach that with just rng.

Which elona version has the most in depth crafting system ?

>>22057713
Omake Overhaul and its descendants is the most in depth with its smithing system. Early on you can create weapons and armor from things like monster skins and ores. Later you can enhance items, and eventually you gain the ability to take properties from one item to add to another item. It's an enormous grind to get to that point, though.

All versions have crafting skills that let you make various items, but the vanilla version is really basic. Elona Plus adds recipes that let yo do things like convert items into similar item types eg make a shotgun into a machine gun. In Plus's third act there's an NPC who can add properties to equipment with the right materials.

>>22057713

It depends on your definition of in-depth.

Omake: grind hammer levels crafting from skins/ores/broken swords until you get journeyman to unlock fusion. Grind more to master for more enchants and stronger enchants/enhances. Grind more for stronger enchants, more or less forever.

Then you hunt down artifact licenses, a good base item, and gear that you can fusion onto your base item.

Plus: There are 3 crafting methods:
equip make: turn 1 item into 3 rnd artifacts of the same time (some things yield less than 3)
equip update: turn 1 item into another in it's category, ie, katano -> lightsaber This lets you have the base weapons innate with the final weapons stats
fusion: in act 3 you can hunt down nefa/god jewels and fusion them onto your gear up to a enchantment cap that's based on the combined enchantment levels.


Omake scales the furthest and has the most flexibility with what you can make. Which is pretty much everything.

Plus is the most complicated, with a more puzzle-like way of doing things. But you're much more limited in your options. Most rarer enchants/invokes aren't available for fusioning, so you'll either need them on your base gear, or do without.

>>22059482
Thank you anon, it's a very good description.

>>22059482
>pretty much everything
Isn't crafting in Omake limited to specific types of gear? I remember one anon many threads ago said he'd taken multiple feats for a specific kind of weapon, only to learn much later that it was impossible to work with that weapon type.

>>22059597

Only if you make the weapon/gear from 100% scratch. You can use any artifact you want as a base for enchanting, there's no need to craft it.

>>22059597
The item types you can create with a blacksmith hammer are strangely limited. However, you can modify any type of equipment.

Creating items seems to mostly be something you do to train your hammer, anything good you get out of it is a side bonus. Modifying items, on the other hand, might well be the most powerful mechanic in the game.

I am the only one who likes zeome as a final boss over meshera alpha and enthumesis?