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is it me or this thread dies too fast

points up for sacchin

>>21948644
meh op

>>21948795
I ask myself if you're always the same guy or just another anon continuing the tradition

either way, keep up

I can't wait for the remake guys. It's gonna be great.

>>21948804
It's just one autist who decided to start doing this a couple threads ago.

>>21948812
Same, unironically.

>>21948804
It's the same me, just waiting for a good OP.

>>21948822
What's a good op?

>>21948850
Wait and see.

>>21948856
I accept your concession.

>>21948922
Gray is so fucking cute. I want to hug and tell her it's okayj.

>>21948925
I'll post 'good op' when it is actually a good op.
Only a few specific things will be considered as such.
Mind you, I don't know what I'm really conceding.

>>21948644
I hope her seiyuu doesn't die before the remake.

>>21948980
That reminds me who's going to do Hisui?

>>21948986
Hisui, surprisingly.

>>21948980
>>21948986
>>21948991
Why did the Mahoyo game not have voice actors?

>>21949110
Multiple reasons that have been discussed to death.
Read the archives since I cannot be bothered again.

>>21949110
Fate wasn't supposed to have from the start if I remember, so it's not something that should be expected to begin with.

Usually you have when you get an anime which gives good promotion of the work and then you rerelease it with the seyuu work. Which will never happen with FGO currently going on.

>>21948986
Assuming TsukiRe will have voice acting, TM will need to find a new seiyuu to replace Hisui's former seiyuu. They already did that with Mashu's seiyuu and Olga's seiyuu before.

>>21949438
They already replaced Hisui's VA with the original Hisui VA as Saphire in the Prisma Illya anime.

Why didn't UBW have an answer?

>I recall that red figure one more time.
>Neither this classroom nor that fight will change.
>Everything is the same.
>Everything is an illusion like a mirage that disappears when one turns around.

>But I can get there if I aim high.
>I will surely be able to catch up to his back with Tohsaka's help.
>So I'll come up with an answer at that time.

Ciel is cute

CUTE!

>>21949543
I want to kiss her thighs!

>>21949546
Indirect kiss with Arc!

>>21949438
>Olga's seiyuu before.
They had to replace her? What

On the topic of seiyuu: Besides Aoko and Touko since we already know their VAs, who do you want to voice other Mahoyo characters ?

>>21949559
Olga's former VA is Toyoguchi Megumi. She voiced Olga in The First Take (drama CD of Singularity F) but after that she reported in the end of 2016 that she was married and pregnant, so Typemoon replaced her with Yonezawa Madoka.

>>21949579
Huh no wonder it seemed like something was off in case files

>>21949586
You think so...? I think her voice in Case Files is still fine. Anyway Toyoguchi only voiced Olga in that Drama CD while Yonezawa voiced her in First Order, Moonlight/Lostroom, Babylonia ep 0 and Case Files anime currently.

What is some interesting cut content from any Nasuverse story?

>>21949711
Getting to take Illya to pound town

>>21949562
Nobody.
And while Kotono is good and all, she simply does not fit Aoko outside of the context of MB. So either find the perfect fit or use nobody ever again.
Nobody else really matters.

>>21949923
But if Mahoyo gets animated, wouldn't they need to pick seiyuu for those characters?

>>21949949
"if"
I don't particularly want it animated, maybe if the series was finished.

>>21949949
having Mahoyo animated would ruin it

>>21949964
Why...

>>21949970
it's a story you have to experience; not watch.

I just started Tsukihime recently, you can't save during choices right?

>>21949973
Same reason why voices are unnecessary.

Long forgotten trio

>>21950134
Sacchin has the highest suffering index in Tsukihime.

>>21949711
The Shinji route

>>21950275

>>21950275
Billion dollar game.
Let that sink in.

>>21950275
Nasu couldn't resist whoring out another one of his characters, could he?
I've never respected someone less.

starting to see a lot of people saying that FHA is better than FSN, I haven't played FHA so I might say full shit on this but it seems so wrong to me to say somehting like that its like saying that Muv luv Extra is better than Muv luv alternative.

Am I totally wrong on this ?

>>21950363
ML sucks in general so that means nothing.

>>21950134
The best thing about Type Moon.

>>21950363
People saying the like it better doesn't necessarily means it's better.
I loved Ataraxia, humour cracked me up and the serious plot was also amazing and I honestly didn't see the twist coming. Final scene/interlude/eclipse or whatever it's called is also one of my favourite.
But, objectively speaking, FSN is better : longer, more characterization and character development because they were originals, stronger worldbuilding and and a more fleshed out story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJUyzh8oNU

>>21950363
i think some people like HA a lot because it does SOL so much better than FSN did, while still having a pretty good serious plot. same thing can be said about KT to an extent.

both KT and HA also had good humor while still not falling into full assclown territory and massive tonal inconsistencies (looking at you, CCC). which is actually quite funny when you consider all the guest writers. they could also be very meta in a way, which would likely only be noticed by VN fans. for instance, HA opens with an r07 parody which is pretty fun (r07 would later parody Nasu in Ep4 of Umineko)

>>21950277
>>21950283
Shiki appears in literally every Fate related game just for shits and giggles. Somehow giving her a free costume is where the line is crossed.

>>21950745
It is so lazily done.
This is just one of many crossings of the line.

>>21950745
Saber Shiki's bond lines crossed the line already. This stuff is just throwing salt in thr wound.

>>21949110
Nasu is a fucking autist who believes having voice actors impacts the readers impression of the characters, so he decided to just not have them for mahoyo.

>>21949110
>>21951032
It was perfect without it though? Only made the ost stand out even more.

>>21951032
Nasu is right in this use case.
Voice actors actually take away some of the mystery and intrigue of the characters since a certain part of them is set in stone.
Having voices in Mahoyo would be either meaningless or a detriment unless you redesign the story and game for voices to fit properly.
That being a self insert, first person VN, which Mahoyo isn't.

I see MBAA has Ryougi Shiki in it.
How did they explain it lore-wise?

>>21950363
>I haven't played FHA
Why?

>>21951377
Ryougi Shiki is a counter force against Archetype Earth sent by Alaya I believe

I'm so glad TM moving away from producing porn.

how long is Kagetsu Tohya ?

God... FGO fags... if only they could all just disappear...

>>21951999
20-30 hours

>>21951919
this doesn't even look good

>>21952265
9000 doujin artists can't be wrong.

>>21951208
>Voice actors actually take away some of the mystery and intrigue of the characters since a certain part of them is set in stone.
As do visuals, but no one on this board holds that against the medium. Flimsy excuse.

origin of bunny shiki seems to be the april fools 2013 game

>>21952029
Nasu would disappear too though.

FGO is a joke that went too far.

>>21951919
Me too. It's good that Nasu moved on from his vulgar, shameless roots. I just couldn't take his old works seriously with all that porn aimed at teenagers, you know?

>>21951208
>Voice actors actually take away some of the mystery and intrigue of the characters since a certain part of them is set in stone.
This 100% depends on the voice actor as well as the voice director (which is mostly done by Nasu himself nowadays). I know people usually talk about how Kotono's voice only fits MB Aoko, not Mahoyo Aoko but it's not like she can only do one type of voice and this is all up to the voice direction. Adult Taiga's voice sounds quite different from Highschooler Taiga's voice, they could do the same thing with Aoko's voice in Mahoyo (basically same voice actor/different direction). And after all, voice acting can describe a character's emotion and feelings very well even in Mahoyo's case. Having the text to describe it is nice, but having voice acting together with the text will make a better impact to readers since unlike the text, the voice/dialogues come from the characters themselves. I'm not saying Mahoyo is bad because it doesn't have voice acting, it's a great VN but it would also be very nice if TM could try it with Mahoyo sequels later. Also with the money that FGO makes, they definitely can hire new talent/currently raising/top-tier seiyuu for other Mahoyo characters.

>>21955206
>it's a great VN but it would also be very nice if TM could try it with Mahoyo sequels later.
Y-yeah

>>21955206
>Also with the money that FGO makes, they definitely can hire new talent/currently raising/top-tier seiyuu
They could've back in 2012, money was far from being a bottleneck for any TM projects.

>>21955206
Look, if you are going to voice characters, you should do it from their very first appearance.
People get an idea for how a character sounds in their head, how they should sound and so forth.
When they add a VA later on, and it does not line up, you have a disconnect.
That is why I'm against Mahoyo ever being voiced.

>>21955259
I have to admit that Shirou's voice later on becoming a nasally cockmongler was a bit off putting, to say the least.

>>21955259
>When they add a VA later on, and it does not line up
But what if the voice fits the character? To be fair like that anon said, fitting or not completely depends on the VA and the voice director. Nasu directs the voice acting of Fate works (thus the voice doesn't go out-of-character and can portray the character better) and gives those seiyuu a lot of advices so he would probably do the same thing with Mahoyo (if he ever decides to hire VA for Mahoyo, obviously)

>>21955539
>But what if the voice fits the character?
Then there is no problem, bu you always face a risk.
Generally Nasu knows what he wants for his characters, and has done a great job, but his ideal approach is no VA at all.

>"A high school student, black hair, and even gallant... she resembles an important friend of mine. But her personality is... different. But beams are nice aren't they... beams."
inb4 FGO x Mahoyo collab is the first time we know Alice's VA and Aoko's voice in Mahoyo

>>21955606
Aoko has brown hair.

>>21955606
I'm getting tired of hearing this.
It will not happen, Nasu is never on the nose like this.

I can't believe this actually hurts me, that was unexpected.

>>21955615
Mahoyo VN says
>その後ろから、
>不機嫌そうに口を閉ざしたまま。
>迷いのない眼差しで、長い黒髪の少女が現れた。
Fujino's mats also uses 黒髪

>>21955650
It's an amazing ending, one of the most heartwrenching things Nasu's written.

>>21955615
>>21955654
also wouldnt be the first time, they call Rin's hair black too

>>21955660
I mean Rin's hair is indeed black though...? But her name doesn't fit XXXX so that person in Fujino's mats cant be her.

>>21955673
>Rin's hair is indeed black though
depends on the mood of whoever is coloring Takeuchi's swill i suppose, it looks very brown in a lot of art.

even in her original sprites there's a bit of red saturation there which i would say puts her into a brownish territory, albeit very low sat.

Akiha in Melty, now that's black hair

>>21955705

>>21955711
Akiha for comparison. far closer to what i would consider "black" hair.

to be fair in certain artwork Rin has this hair color, too.

>>21955715
Man I forgot how good Melty looked in its late incarnations. That coloring is really arcade-y and great.

In what world is that not brown?

>>21955722
2011 Takeuchi was pretty much the peak of his career imo. he did a good job.

i'm not sure who colored for Melty AACC, though. i would presume Koyama, but it doesn't really seem to be his style.

>>21955724
Nips sometimes call brown hair black regardless.

>>21955726
Takao.
His colouring suits Takeuchi better than Koyama.

>>21955731
thanks.

and, yes, i agree.

>>21955727
Really? That's pretty freaking stupid if you ask me.

>>21955737
Arc tummy spotted

>>21955749

>>21955606
>>21955654
...Aoko and Fujino are friend? Am I late or is it coming out of nowhere? 'cause that's the last combination of characters I would've expected.

>>21955770
This is from Fujino's entry in FGO Mats VI. Fujino says that XXXX person (the name got redacted) reminds her of an important friend. The friend is 99% Azaka and people speculate that XXXX is Aoko.

>>21955797
Watch it be something completely unexpected.

Whoever is going full autism in the HF thread on /a/, you're hilarious.

lol

>>21956060
it's not difficult to install f/sn
not even in the slightest

>>21956060
To be honest, there isn't nearly enough gatekeeping in this community.

>>21956060
I personally don't really care if people only consume spin offs as long as they don't start to discuss and affirm things with only this knowledge.

>>21956472
for once, I agree with more gatekeeping.

>>21956077
Dude, it's 2019. If it's not a one-click-do-it-all installer, it's impossible for most people. Welcome to smartphone era Internet.

>>21956472
>>21956529
I hate this "gatekeeping" term. It's not like we're trying to keep the entire franchise to ourselves, hell, we're even telling them what is the title of the work they should start with. Just because it's hard to tolerate people who spam the threads with useless questions that could've been answered if they only read the VN, doesn't mean we're some assholes who hate everyone outside our circlejerk. I'd love to have more people to discuss TYPE-MOON with. I completely agree with what >>21956500 said.
/a/ has been overrun by r*dditors who think those "gatekeepers" are a scourge they have to deal with and they purposefully recommend newfags ufotable's Fate/Zero. And the result is half of the El-Melloi threads we see on Saturdays. At this point I think even gotards are better than Fate-watching MAL casuals. Even if they don't read the VN, they spend like their whole days on the wiki and you can have some decent discussion from them, but MALfags are literally all about "holy shit, Berserker vs Saber Alter, best fight this decade, AOTS".

What is it called when I like Nasu's narrative style in writing + his prose, but hate his character archetypes and (forced) humor?

>>21956627
You like his style, not his stories.

>>21956646
Hmmmmmm. Yeah sounds about right.

>>21956627
Which archetypes do you not like?

>>21956738
earth

>>21956758
That's an element.

>>21956765
how did you not get that joke

>>21956794
I mean, there is only one Archetype.
But there are many archetypes.

>>21956800

>>21956738
The plucky everyday protag, the exposition-er clutch character that the protag relies on, the suffering girl (Actually I like it but I hate how he keeps handling it), there's more but it's still morning so I'll have to get back to you on that. Takeuchi's bland and recycled art make it more noticeable.

I'll also note that these are Fate centric archetypes that I've noticed, so if there's overlap with other TM things it's unintentional.

canon?

>>21957148
Very canon.

why doesn't shirou just trace infinite money

>>21957362
Money isn't swords.

>>21956577
You're cool.

>>21957148
I love their interactions in Mahoyo.

>>21957382
Neither are kitchen utensils, tea pots, pieces of machinery and all the stuff Shirou had on his shed

>>21958214
And all of those were of brittle make and pretty much evaporated after being used too long.
Read FHA, Rin discusses this very concept of making money through projection in it, the Association would catch on to them.

>>21957148
Very canon, and very cute image.

>>21958231
What's the most impressive?
>making King Arthur fall in love with you by cooking for and being as autistic as her
>making the princess of the True Ancestors fall in love with you by ambushing and cutting her into seventeen pieces
>making an Elemental werewolf fall in love with you by punching him so hard it instills primal fear in him

>>21956060
Even my shounentard cousin is reading F/SN.

>>21956060
Jesus Christ

Am I gonna become a Sakurafag after reading Heaven's Feel?

>>21960233
Not necessarily, some people come out of it hating Sakura.
Those people are brainlets.

>>21960413
IMO her character is fine. What makes me dislike her is the soft-spoken voice from the VA coupled with the constant senpai.

>>21956060
They're not wrong about the translation at least. I think we can all agree takajun's tl is pure dogshit.

It's in your supermarkets

>>21960480
All translations are shit. They're just slightly different levels of shit.

>>21960477
Sakura's character is actually pretty great, especially in relation to Shirou, Saber, and Illya.

The problem isn't even that Nasu decided to unload ALL of her baggage all in one route, it's that he has her not even really interact with other characters. She's so denied from being a part of the plot, that she barely interacts with her own servant, and their most intimate and close moments together weren't even on screen.

Compare that to Shirou and Saber, Rin and Archer, Illya and Berserker, even fucking Caster got to have her moment with Kuzuki. I honestly feel lie Nasu did not know where to put Sakura in comparison to other characters or the plot.

I'm gonna stop before I turn this into a rant, but yeah.

>>21960632
Its pretty expected when for most of it shes immobile in bed. That decision from a writing standpoint is fucking mindboggling. You're reserving the main heroine of the route to her bed? Like wtf? Its almost as if Nasu had no idea what to do with her. The way Nasu approached sexual harassment and abuse has always bothered me, ever since Hisui (no hate for all Hisuifags, I thought the whole vengeance thing on the Tohno family made no sense, anyone should be able to discern that the Tohno kids were ignorant because they were kids, and if they knew what was happening they couldn't do anything about it anyway, it just makes Hisui look dumb), and with Sakura its just worse because she couldn't expose her problems to anyone but Shirou even though if Nasu didn't write the BS about being immobile, she could have reconnected with her sister who was right there THE ENTIRE TIME (and Rin could have just as easily taken the initiative after learning some crucial information, lets say, about Matou's family practices in regards to Magi).

>>21956060
To be fair, FSN's certainly not worth reading in English at least.

If the Tsukihime remake ever comes out, I want voice acting in it.

>>21950363
Where are people saying that? It's probably just the usual "I'm a big fan of FSN but it's soooo bad lmao" retards that infest everything nowadays.

I swear being a TMfag is a curse and a blessing at the same time. You have to see bad takes everywhere. It's gonna make me go insane.

>>21960632
Sakura is just boring. You should try thinking about why Nasu would do that when she's his favourite girl. She doesn't have many fun or interesting scenes, because Nasu literally can't think of any when she's supposed to be the focus. Even in her date scenes in HA it's just "uhh yeah she looks stunning, hey she and Shirou are blushing, isn't it cute?" There's no banter or amusing situations because her personality is plain as white bread. I don't hate Sakura but I've never understood how she has any fans. Literally just take any girl and slap big tits and a shy personality on them and boom, anyone can write their own Sakura.

>>21961007
Hisui?

>>21961439
I thought Rin was his favourite, or am I mixing him up with someone else?

>>21961645
Sakura has a million faces in what was supposed to be his magnum opus and last Fate story, Rin gets possessed by the Goddess of whores in his throwaway phone game that's he wasn't expecting to be popular and to die a year after release when the story ended.

I think the problem of Sakura's route is that it actually is not a Sakura Route.

I could bring up all the shit people know about it being a mixture of Illiya route and etc, but I will just focus on what a Route is composed of normally.

So, Nasu needs to develop some content always: Worldbuilding, Infodumping, Plot events, Action scenes and Romance.

People often calls routes based on the heroine at focus, but if you pay attention, Romance is like a little part of it.

And this is proven by the name of the Routes. Are you really going to say to me that Stay Night, UBW and Heaven's Feel are related to ther respective heroines?

And not only that, the first 2 you could argue some connection but...Heaven's Feel?

We all know that Sakura route is Illiya's route but with the lovery dovey part focused on Sakura. I mean, what actually solves things in the end is fucking Illiya anyway.

And what is my conclusion, with all that?

You people are bitching about Sakura being a shit character and her story being shit because you all Ilyafags are butthurt and you wanted some lolicon action.

Heavens Feel isn't as good as some people make it out to be. It's a heavily flawed route with good moments. It has the worst heroine and the True End kinda sucks. It's like a kick to the balls to Shirou in a way. It's also extremely slow and boring during the middle. The two last days however are one the best things Nasu has ever written.

>>21961226
They all have VA's already, so you will get your wish.

>>21961755
I don't care for any Fate heroine, really.

Oh yeah, there's also those who wanted a Shounen Happy Ending for HF where Shirou kicks everyone asses, save the with a Deus Ex Machina something and everybody sucks his dick saying he is wonderful.

This is not shounenshit. Shirou having its balls kicked is what makes Fate a more serious work, and not a easy sell for children.

If you want easy and digested elements like that, go play FGO.

>>21961755
For fuck's shake, why do you post like that anon, this hurts so bad.

>>21961226
Very likely so. I mean this is 2019 already, is there any VN without voice acting nowadays? (and TsukiRe probably won't even get released this year). All Tsukihime characters also have VAs, though TM will need to find new VAs for Hisui and new character(s) in the Remake.

>>21961885
He's from r*ddit.

>>21960233
>>21960413
Most people just don't care about her.

Make HF a true Illya route.
Make a brand new Sakura route entirely from her perspective.
Boom, everything's fixed. I'm a genius.

>>21962063
Hisui has a VA.

>>21962631
anon, I...

>>21961645
Yeah, Rin is his fate waifu (his true favorite is still aoko).

>>21961726
The Sakura faces in CCC was kind of appology for making Sakura a PNJ with 4 lines of dialogue in Extra.

>>21962659
She STILL has a VA.

>>21962671
So where was the apology for leaving Illya out entirely then?

Why did they even do that? I know Alice was probably meant to be an homage, but that's still really odd when every other character reference was just the design again but Wada-fied.

>>21962680
You mean her VA from Tsukihime anime?

>>21962695
Yes.

Happy birthday Takeuchi

>>21960233
Some people love her, some people don't care about her, and retards hate her

>>21961439
And this is where I disagree. The hidden resentment and willingness to actually embrace her darker side is VERY interesting. Especially when MR. I Want to Be a Hero is her love interest. Like this anon said >>21961007 I think Nasu just wrote himself into a fucking corner with her.

And just like Kohaku, instead of actually addressing her darker personality and character, later works just flanderize her as the cute kohai and try to forget about her dark side. I literally don't get it. Especially since he did so well with Illya, but with Sakura he just threw his hands up and went, "Bweh?!?".

>>21961226
I'd like Aoko route in it.

when did you realise you were no longer the target audience?

>>21963221
I've never been one, since gacha.

August 28th is Takeuchi's birthday.
Say something nice about him!

>>21963306
>TRACE...ON!!!

>>21963306
Learn to draw already.

>>21963306
This is soul.

>>21963221
When Fate tried to be as mainstream as possible, while also becoming blander.

So, Extra.

>>21963221
long before fgo

>>21963221
Around 2013 or so, when it became obvious that TM weren't gonna do visual novels anymore, and that they were becoming more focused on curating mainstream audiences.

>>21956966
Check out Mahoyo, supposing you haven't gotten around to it yet. I get the feeling that you'll find it to be almost everything you like about Nasu, with virtually none of what you find off-putting.

Why the fuck did Shirou not use Rule Breaker on Saber Alter in their final battle? He doesn't even use it in the bad end where you choose to save her. He uses it on Sakura to save her minutes after.
Saber Alter would have more than enough magical energy to destroy the Grail, and would have absolutely nothing to gain by continuing to following Sakura's command. Rin wouldn't die either, since she had the upper hand. In fact, Saber is called by Sakura because she needed help.

Nasu is full of shit. Femme fatale bad end is full of shit.

>>21961558
Holy fuck. Only the next day I realize I mixed up the maids. Kohaku, I meant Kohaku.

>>21963221
When I read the december interview of nasu. I got sure when he said "I will di what the fans want, if they wish more FGO, I will gladly do it.

>>21963306
I like the original saberface.

>>21964528
I'm afraid that if I like it it'll keep me in a franchise that I'm starting to hate.

Same reason I haven't played Tsukihime. I don't want to be like those poor bastards still hoping that Nasu will get off his ass and release the remake.

>>21961439
Sakura literally is the image of a perfect housewife (Shirou desu) or mother figure in the Heaven's Feel route.

>>21963164
It's as if the Fate spin-offs aren't meant to be taken seriously and also not meant to be regarded as canon because the characters are so far removed from their original counterparts.

>>21966187
It would be nice if this were true. Though, our reality shows that FGO is now a mainline game and not some mobile spin-off. And instead of people not taking it seriously, they take it extremely seriously.

Anons, I just dropped Fate/Extra for the second time. The first time was through my actual playthrough because I discovered the combat was pretty dogshit. I then went and picked up the video playthrough without commentary so I could get the plot, lore, and character stuff without suffering through the gameplay. Took me months to get to halfway, it's just so slow and boring (this is with me on 1.5-2 speed). A lot of people say the character interactions are the best part, but the most I've heard from Nero thus far are "pride pride pride, praise me master", Rin stays the exact same, and the MC is a piece of cardboard. The plot is interesting but awfully paced, like who the fuck is this Jester looking ass that is complete filler, and where's the mystery when you keep filling up my time with dungeon crawling?

Does anyone have a summary or something? The only reason I was trying to do this in the first place was so I could watch Last Encore without being confused (at least, that's what people recommend, is playing the game first).

>>21966246
>so I could watch Last Encore
I'm sorry anon, but you've been massively wasting your time. Extra isn't good nor is Last Encore.

>>21966250
>Extra isn't good nor is Last Encore.
Its Fate anime. And not only that, (basically) an anime original. You can't stop me lmao. Even if it might be bad, I still want to give it a shot, and studio Shaft animation is enough to intrigue me anyway.

People say that FGO introduced and expands on the lore such as the expanding on the concept of branch pruning (introduced in Fate/Extella) or the concept of a pseudo-Servant (introduced in Fate/Apocrypha), does FGO expand anything from F/SN?

>>21966275
I'd say just watch Last Encore now then. It's not like having deep knowledge of Extra makes it any better. Actually you might end up hating more than if you just go in blind. It's bad either way so it doesn't matter really.

>>21966275
>Shaft
>having animation

>>21966246
Should be a summary on the wiki, I think.

And I don't blame you for dropping it. Pretty much every entry from the extraverse is really quite bad. Even CCC which is overpraised by the West isn't great.

>>21966296
Monogatari? Madoka? Hidemari Sketch? 3-gatsu no lion? I don't know where you got this opinion from. All their main staple series are known for wild art and animation.

>>21966313
I was looking forward to CCC. I've heard many times that Gilgamesh gets the most development here. Sadly, Extra didn't sell me on the series as a whole.

>>21966275
I think it's worth watching for the visuals which are indeed pretty cool, definitely what I enjoyed most out of it (except for the OP visuals which are trash).
Unfortunately it really won't make much sense if you didn't finish Extra but oh well.

>>21966296
>>21966335
It's kinda both. Early Shaft had no budget but they had weird art and funny looking stills. They got more money later though so the animation got a lot better. I think Shinbo's style got pretty bland within the past few years though.

>>21966346
I'm a huge Gilfag and while I enjoyed his route for him, CCC has so many tone and pacing issues that it drives me crazy.

CCC Gil route is literally the only good thing to ever come from extraverse and they still managed to fuck that up in extella.

>>21966283
>the concept of branch pruning (introduced in Fate/Extella)
Actually branch pruning it is as old as Zelretch.

>does FGO expands
FGO bends every rule you can imagine in order to have X element that will make sales go up. It retracted for good the idea of Tsukihime and Fate as a single timeline, completetly ignored what an Alter and Avenger were (which is not a factual version and a class, respectively), it inserted the possibility of summoning non genuine spirit (like BB and her shit).

Also, why nobody talks about the fact that Quantum Time Lock and all that bullshit on Extella is plagiarism of Steins;Gate?

>>21963216
Only if it is a platonic route and the game is all ages.
It can be the combined/harem/true route.

>>21963221
Post Mahoyo, everything after has not done anything for me.

>>21966536
CCC gil route rectoned him into having acces to future human technology, so no.

>>21967037
>Quantum Time Lock and all that bullshit on Extella is plagiarism of Steins;Gate?
because it's not. the very concept of pruning shit in nasuverse means that things have to be to nasus liking or they aren't allowed to be.

literally anything goes in sci;adv timelines, theres a fucking wordline where the world gets taken over by monsters from an MMO because a gigalomanic spawns a fuckton of teleport crystals by accident.

>>21967083
Ancient Babylonian Gatling guns and teleportation devices

>>21967101
>the very concept of pruning shit in nasuverse means that things have to be to nasus liking or they aren't allowed to be
yes and no. Things get recorded and are true >until< you have a quantum observer, with the only ones capable + known of being Zelretch and Archimedes.

Ok, but that never actually happen in nasuverse:

>Q: Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.

>A(Nasu): They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.

There is zero evidence that the prunning has being happening aside from Archimedes, which as far as I read, only wants to find whatever timeline is not a mooncell timeline, which only affects extraverse shit. Unless you are one of those who things extraverse = FGOverse.

The only possible evidence of a timeline being already observed and therefore the only possibility would be the linear stories, but even on those you have post-fact arguments from nasu retconing shit and using the infinite possiblities for his convenience.

So yeah, nasuverse is sci;adv but with a buddist deep consciounes that you could call "god".

>>21967144
How is that different from pulling a jet out of GoB?

https://twitter.com/gouldingregi/status/1166808607817515008

Has anyone started translating Eternity Line, the Caster what-if?

I despise these threads but I end up reading everything anyway >>192529232

>>21968316
192529232

>Rail Zeppelin 3/6 - A Sibyl, Decision, and Child of Ainnash
Ainnash is the official translation of アインナッシュ now i guess ?

>>21968633

>>21968639

>>21968645
why the long face luvia?

>>21968645

>>21968633
RIP "Einnashe"

>>21961726
>CCC is a forgotten throwaway game and the only time its characters aren't forgotten is when they are added to the phone game which is a "social phenomena" with positive reviews and critics thanks to ending of part 1
>ishtar and ere going to be a mascot character while all the sakurafaces are not adaptable material

Based Rin wins again.

>>21967144
>Ancient Babylonian Gatling guns and teleportation devices
They don't exist in Babylonia. The only time Gil gets tech is when he has his staff copy Chaldea tech, and gets flustered when he's basically called out a faker.

>>21968856
Isn't it like, everything is possible within the realms of VR of mooncell? The servants summoned are not actually extracted from the Throne, if I am not mistaken.

You even have Garcher projecting Gae Bolg and using it.

>>21969515
>You even have Garcher projecting Gae Bolg and using it.
He could do that normally too. He can use Caladbolg so why not Gae Bolg?

>>21969712
>Unlimited Bolg Works

>>21969712
Caladbolg is a sword, no? I think it even was a cognate with Caliburn.

https://twitter.com/xxyui_hxx/status/1167050417009647616?s=19

>>21966216
What, you mean to tell me you don't take this seriously.

>>21969815
I came to a conclusion that we were all wrong from the start.

It is not Nasuverse, it is called Takeuchiverse.

>>21969749
And Rho Aias is a shield.

>>21969886
Oh, indeed, Rho Aias would be a better argument.

>>21969887
Ries best deus vult.

What kind of music would your favorite Type Moon character listen to?

>>21969994
The more I look at her, the more it feels like I'm looking at an alien.

>>21969835
Akiha grabbing her glass of whiskey

>>21969878
Nasuverse is a dumb name anyway.

>>21970289
Eggplantverse

What's your favorite?

>>21970415
Shiki

>>21970415
Why Touko has short hair there? Was her like this on the first KnK novels?

>>21970603
Shiki with a pussy, Shiki with anemia, Shiki-chad or Shiki-but-it-is-me-Dio?

>>21970616
that's her original design, this art is from an artbook that released a couple years after Tsukihime did

>>21970678
Yeah, I searched here, she was like this in the books until Takeuchi changed her for the movies.

>>21969515
It's more that he gets shit as Servant automatically because of his "legend", rather than owning that in the first place in some cases.

I just read FSN vn and watched zero.
Where do I go from here?
Besides UBW anime and HF movies which I'm planning to see next.

>>21972104
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai

>>21970289
>>21970353
>eggplant mushroom
What kind of parent would name their child this?

>>21972109
They didn't.
奈須 = na + su
茄 = nasu (eggplant)

Although he writes the kinoko part in hiragana, so nobody knows if he is actually mushroom-san or if that can have another meaning. Although I would bet that the "ko" would be 子, which is a common kanji in names.

>>21968841
Rin is getting to star in an anime for one of the best parts in the game, meanwhile CCC doesn't even have a remake

>>21972163
I know that. It's a joke friend.

PREPARE YOUR HATE ANONS, CAUSE THE MUSHROOM IS BRINGING ANOTHER TURD FOR YOU

http://typemoon-bb.com/

A SUBSIDIARY FOR GAMING CALLED STUDIO BB

I think I can already kill myself.

Bye anons.

>>21972290
CCC REMAKE FOR SWITCH

STILL NO TRANSLATION!

>>21972290
Apparently direct of Etrian Odyssey 1 and Dragon Quest Builders, left Square Enix recently.
A-At least it won't be Nasu with his awful ideas for videogames, r-right?
It's probably gonna be all Fateshit anyway.

>>21972290
Because making VNs is not as cool as MAKING YOUR OWN SOULSLIKE, RIGHT?

fuk u nasu

>>21972109
Vegetarians.
Nasu had several sisters supposedly so maybe they wanted to get creative with the boy's name.

>>21972290
What fresh hell awaits? FGO Musou? FGO Dark Souls clone? FGO rpg? FGO 2?

>>21972290
>they will be collaborating with third-party studios to develop mid/large-scale 3D games, as well as internally develop small-scale 2D games.

>>21972318
Probably more Fate/EX considering the studio name and the director was also a staff behind Fate/Extra

>>21972318
>>21972305
>>21972290
Do you anons actually think that Nasu would be working on VNs if this news didn't happen? He hasn't made a VN in 6 fucking years.

>>21972357
Well, I don't think good text is composed fast, so waiting for a lot of time is actually expected imo

The problem is when you start to see evidence of a shift of focus, which did only appear with a decent amount of evidence in the recent years.

>>21972290
Extra number of remakes: 2 (Last Encore and Extella).
Tsukihime number of remakes: 0.

Can I fucking post now please.

>>21972290
>Nasu: I finally caught up with my dreams as a boy
Honestly i think Nasu's passion for TsukiRe and Mahoyo is lost already

>>21972406
I don't think Extella counts as a remake

>>21972426
Why am I having so many connection issues while trying to post tonight fucking Christ.

Anyway, regarding the studio, I'm curious about what'll come of it, and at the very least we won't be stuck with only gacha cancer and musoushit forever, but I'll still be disappointed if the studio is only focused on Fate and especially garbage FGO characters.
Making games has been Nasu's dream for a while and now that he used his dirty gacha money to get a studio he'll have direct contact with a full team working on stuff for his universe. Hopefully he intends to diversify and abuse his full creative freedom instead of just more of the same soulless milking that he's been doing for the past 4 shitty years.

>>21972357
Tsukihime R will be released or at least announced next year for the 20th anniversary, there's no way they can ignore it at this point, even JP fans are clamoring for it. Might even be the first thing released with Studio BB's name on it.

>>21972451
>Why am I having so many connection issues while trying to post tonight fucking Christ.
Seems servers are shit today, it has been pretty hard to post here as well.

might ba a DDOS from FGOfags because we talk the truth

>>21972451
>Tsukihime R will be released or at least announced next year for the 20th anniversary, there's no way they can ignore it at this point, even JP fans are clamoring for it. Might even be the first thing released with Studio BB's name on it.
Yeah. Nasu's latest interview also implied the next FGO collab during Golden Week would be Tsukihime, so TsukiRe will probably be released next year.

>>21972476
No, that was a lack of organization from the translators, he just happened to answer about collabs being on golden week after the question about tsukihime. They were not in the same question.

>tsukihime remake
>at this point
Delusional

>>tsukihime remake
>at this point
Delusional

>>21972487
Nah I think that was disproven, it really was talking about Tsukihime, he didn't mention in the question but it was the implied subject since it immediately followed the thing about putting Tsuki characters in the game.

>>21972490
Wada literally tweeted about it a few weeks ago, it's happening without a doubt anon. Just hope it won't be the last good thing Nasu ever makes.

>>21972494
It won't be good at all

>>21968841
You seem pretty missinformed. Three of the sakuclones (BB, melt and kama) are more popular than ishtar and way more popular than eresh, in fact BB is so stupidly popular she is in jalter and mashu tiers of popularity and melt is not too far behind of her. Hell the fucking subsidiary studio is called BB
Anyways leave your sister waifuwars to /a/ and don't bring them here.

>>21972534
Why not? The last VN Nasu made was phenomenal.
Stop being a pessimist about everything, no on here likes FGO but it's not like Nasu can't do far, far better than that.

>>21972542
Because the last VN Nasu made was 7 years ago and everything has been mediocre in between
I have no reasons to expect it to be good, especially when he has shown in interviews that he doesn't understand the appeal of Tsukihime nor does he seem to want to write in that style anymore
I hope it's good but I very much doubt it will be

>studio created for the sole purpose of gameplay titles
>Extra staff
Hahahaha. This is like some sort of sick parody. Nasu only wants to be involved with shit games I guess.

>>21972550
>especially when he has shown in interviews that he doesn't understand the appeal of Tsukihime nor does he seem to want to write in that style anymore
Do you know which interview he said that?

>>21972552
I just don't get it. It's like making a music studio only for it to be run by Yoko Ono.

How's Fire Girl? Found a bunch of copies on sale at a local store and was wondering if it's worth it.

>>21972552
>>21972586
The director was also involved in FF14 and Dragon Quest Builders. Though that doesn't really raise my confidence much.

People on Twitter acting as if he abandoned a high paying job at Square to pursue a job of passion at TM are really funny. It's like they still believe TM is some small company with no connections.

What's studio BB?

i miss the good times.

>>21972808
Another mistake.

>>21955797
>>21955995
It's definitely Aoko. The launching beams part is a dead give away.

>>21972841
Even when the evidence points to one thing, this is Nasu we're talking about.
Somebody as big and obvious as Aoko is not going to be it due to the context this is in.

>>21972868
>Somebody as big and obvious as Aoko is not going to be it due to the context this is in.
I don't get your point. Why not ? Fucking Void is in FGO now. Though anyway since that name got redacted, it means we will know that person soon.

>>21972907
If the answer was so obvious, it wouldn't be redacted.
Irregardless of whether they haven't appeared yet.

>>21972915
It would be redacted, I mean.

>>21972586
The same problem. I can't bring myself to spend money on it without being sure.

I think the next collab will be a Heaven's Feel collab, because the release of the movie is near april, which is when we have golden week.

Tsukihime being the collab not only makes no sense, as it would be malefical, because it means it would be a promotion for something that is already not finished.

>>21972290
Interesting.

I'm really goddamn worried about the future.
Things now might seem bad, but the end times are approaching.

>>21973176
lol no I think things seem way better after this studio BB announcement.
At the very least they're looking to diversify (if not in franchise, then at least in gameplay) because they know gacha money won't last forever. That's a great thing. Now there's actually the hope of a good original project slipping through all the FGO pandering that'll come out of Studio BB, even if in the far future.
It can't possibly get worse than this current FGO-only era, this will always be the dark ages.

>>21973156
>Tsukihime being the collab not only makes no sense
20th anniversary
>it would be a promotion for something that is already not finished.
Let's hope that's not the case.

>>21973275
There is cause for optimism for sure, but this could potentially end up even worse than the current situation.
Though there are plenty of scenarios which can go either way, but my faith on it going the right way is quite low.

So I just finished Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Fate/stay night and Fate/hollow ataraxia. How many other works are written by Nasu and would you recommend them?

>>21973332
>this could potentially end up even worse than the current situation.
Very doubtful, even if the characters and storytelling remained as trashy as they are right now in FGO, I would still prefer that situation but with a variety of real videogames instead of limiting it to gacha cancer.

>>21973337
I highly reccomend Mahoyo if you can read french or japanese, yes.
Also check out the Kara no Kyokai films.

>>21973348
>Very doubtful, even if the characters and storytelling remained as trashy as they are right now in FGO, I would still prefer that situation but with a variety of real videogames instead of limiting it to gacha cancer.
It will probably go down the path of Extella on steroids.
Imagine if they start to attract other cancerous fanbases, with games which only have GOshit in them?
Are you seeing the problem here?

>>21973292
>20th anniversary
The 20th is good for making the release date, which would not be sufficient, there might like a CE for promotion, but no a Collab.

Also, the 20th anniversary will happen only in December 2020. Assuming that is the date of the release of the VN, than the collab will happen most probably at Golden Week 2021.

There is also another optimistic scenario which would be Tsukire Collab next year as a preparation for the release, but that does not make sense with Heavens Feel movie releasing.

Or maybe Tsukire will actualy release this year and then it would make the collab as the next sensical.

Anyway, I believe the new generation of FGOfags will hate Tsukihime.

>>21973337
Kara no Kyoukai LN is made by Nasu and is all in english. I would recommend reading them at some point.

I would also recommend reading Notes and Tsuki no Sango, which are pretty much one shots.

>>21973356
>It will probably go down the path of Extella on steroids.
You're already wrong there. In-house the studio will only work on small 2D projects, big 3D ones would be in collaboration with external studios.
They're looking to hire programmers who can work on "unity and UE4 games, also 2D action, 2D RPG and 2D strategy programming".

So at the very least you can expect way more than musou garbage, that stuff will likely be left up to Marvelous. What you'll get with this studio, initally at least, is 2D games helmed by the director of EO1 and DQ Builders 2.

And no traditional videogame has the reaching capacity of FGO, they can't significantly ruin our garbage fanbase more than FGO already did.

>>21973377
>all in english
I wouldn't say it like that.

>>21973275
>It can't possibly get worse than this current FGO-only era, this will always be the dark ages.
Yes it can. Studio BB could be just the subsidiary to make more FGO related games.

The only potential good news could be if that meant that Nasu would >leave FGO and gaming< entirely to Studio BB and focus on his VNs.

But he seems too much happy about it to make me think he will just let things go.

>>21973393
And I would still take a studio which makes nothing but FGO videogames over literally nothing but FGO itself. That situation is still far preferable to what we have now.
And of course Nasu will be heavily involved with the studio, this is what he's wanted to do since fucking forever.

>>21973404
>And of course Nasu will be heavily involved with the studio, this is what he's wanted to do since fucking forever.

explain this?

FGO will inherit the earth.
Sony is clearly exerting pressure and influence on TM to make that dream true.
Explain how this is better than the current situation?

>>21973392
The link OP posted has them all, has it not?

>>21973420
やっと少年の頃に見た夢に追いついた。

Nasu's quote from the message section of http://typemoon-bb.com/

It means something like "I finally can do what I dreamed as a boy".

>>21973420
Nasu said that his origin is "games" many years ago.
He's always been super enthusiastic about real games and game making, he basically only turned to VNs in the first place because it's what he and Takeuchi could do with their very limited resources.

And hey, I'm all for it if they can make a good game for once, even if it's stained with FGO crap it'll still be better than what we have now.

>>21973430
Nasu has always wanted to make videogames, this couldn't be further from Sony's influence.
In fact, I would say this is probably why he decided to be a complete fucking sellout for the past few years, he amassed a fortune through exploiting weak gamblers so he could be an ideas guy / occasional writer in his own game studio.
It's better than the current situation simply by the fact that there's now actual potential for good games, and they're no longer tied to DW/Marvelous and gacha/musou shit for all of their games. Having an entire studio working exclusively on Nasuverse games, even if 99% of them end up sucking, is an upgrade no matter how I look at it.

>>21973466
What is the publishing setup with the new studio?

>>21973377
>>21973392
Which Fate related writings has Nasu written (not counting FSN and FHA)?

>>21973434
KnK's translations are really bad.

>>21973505
Fate/Extra, /CCC and /Grand Order (parts of it)

>>21973505
FGO, Fate/Extra, CCC, Fate/Extella

>>21973510
Well, most translations are. And in the case of KnK, I would say that is even more of a problem as the japanese Nasu wrote there is apeshit.

>>21973510
Just like all fan-translations of LNs

Why does /tmg/ ignore Nasu's new FGO canon?

what are the chances it's a fighting game?

>>21973539
It is not that we ignore, we just have a case that it is inconsistent with his pre-established rules, is a bad reasoned shift of focus and also a symbol of degenaration that contradicts Nasu himself, as he was against erotic content before.

>>21973561
Very low but that a fighting game would have been great.

>>21973574
>>21973561
Melty 2 or rekt

>>21973582
No, a less animeish type-moon fighting game.

>>21973486
What do you mean by that?
I doubt we know any details but they are basically under TM, not under any other company as far as we know.

>>21973561
They're not hiring anyone with FG experience, if we get a new Melty it'll still be by French Bread I'm pretty sure.

>>21973582
I don't think we could get Melty 2 or Melty Blood HD before TsukiRe due to the lore

>>21973599
Less animeish?

Dark Souls-based Fighting game then.

>>21973629
Assassins will have better chance of making critica back stabs.

Riders will have better dodge.

We already know the cancers then.

>>21973275
Lol what? How is it any different from what they've been doing? More shitty gameplay titles from TM. Great.

>>21973880
I enjoyed Extra about a billion times more than FGO even if it was just "meh" at best, so if the new studio's output is like that (plus more variety in genre, and their only focus will be exclusively TM products) then it sounds waaaay better.
FGO being a phone gacha game is easily its biggest issue, even its garbage story could be made serviceable in a better medium. Shifting away from gacha games will always be an upgrade, because you literally can't go lower than them.

>>21973898
I fear for the state of your mental well being.

I'd rather TM die than have GOshit expand outward.

>>21973906
I won't deny that the last 4 years have taken their toll on my sanity but that's how I feel. FGO being the sole focus of the company is basically what made their recent output so utterly trash.
Anything other than FGO is an improvement, they literally can't go wrong. I am just so thoroughly fatigued of FGO that I can't help but be optimistic about anything else.

All I want is a fighting game to be honest

>>21973934
No fate shit then melty blood 2

>>21973917
FGO is getting expanded wether we like it or not, at least with this there's potential for non-FGO shit from a studio that does only TM games.
And even FGO shit can be considerably better presented and more appealing when removed from its shitty medium (even if the characters are the same garbage). Look at Empire of Dirt. I'm pretty sure that's the kind of in-house project that the new studio is going for.

>>21973934
Play UNIB. It's better than anything TM have done in years and has a pretty good community by comparison.

>>21973949
At this point they should acquire Empire of dirt or something since that shit is dead

>>21973949
Something like EoD would be a near best case scenario.
Also obligatory Punished Saber post.

>>21973976
It isn't dead, but it is still a ways off.
Progress over the last year has been painful, due to all sorts of outside circumstances.

>>21973923
Your FGO hate boner has influenced you too much. "Anything is OK as long as it isn't FGO" doesn't make any sense to me.

>>21973999
I don't know where I said that "anything is okay"? I just said that I'm generally optimistic and hopeful about anything that isn't GO.
I'll judge each individual game they put out on their own qualities and faults, but there's nothing really wrong with a TM game studio as a general concept.

>>21974009
>Anything other than FGO is an improvement, they literally can't go wrong

why the fuck would I want more tm gameplay titles?

the only reason TM is any good as a company is because they have nasu writing for them. WRITING. he has proven again and again that he shouldn't be given any position that isn't straight writing the ingame text. even the script that he wrote for LE was a horrible clusterfuck. Extra and CCC have so much text in them they'd actually be better as real VNs with all the "gameplay" removed.

studio BB will never produce a single good game as long as nasu holds a high position in the studio, he wants to be a gamedev so bad that he doesn't realize everything he's been touching is a giant pile of shit. the only real good gameplay title was melty, and he told those devs not to do melty 2 yet because he wanted tsukihime remake out first. that was almost 10 fucking years ago and he hasn't managed to produce a single good game since, and the remake isn't fucking out either.

>>21974024
Well yeah, I sincerely doubt that they can make anything worse or as bad as FGO in my eyes.
They can (and probably will) still make some bad games but even a bad game is an improvement over irredeemable dogshit, and they'll have variety in genres instead of focusing on the same brand of garbage all the time, which is a huge deal.

Hell, the fact that they'll be real videogames with individual releases isntead of eternally stretched out gachashit that will continue for as long as people pay for it already makes it way better than what we have now.

>>21974045
Nasu doesn't hold any position in the studio as far as we know, he'll just be an ideas guy and possibly writer.
He obviously has influence, but I wouldn't underestimate the huge flood of talented people that will apply for the studio.

>>21974045
Nasu is the ultimate idea guy I think.

>>21963306
Kind of the story of TM as a whole.

Really tried when they were younger, though they didn't have the artistic or authorial merits. Now that they're rich, they're not trying any more. And they still don't have the artistic merits, so it comes out as a mess.

>>21974068
I fully expect every single developer to suck his dick for no reason, no matter how bad his input is.

it's not like nasu is pushy about it either, from all we know so far he is actually beta as fuck. the HF director told him "no dude I'm not animating your giant fucking rewrite, im doing heavens feel." and everytime takeuchi makes an retarded servant suggestion like emiya alter he goes "that is really, really retarded. but I'm gonna do it."

>>21974068
>Nasu doesn't hold any position in the studio
He created Type Moon, of course he holds a position.

>Fate Fighting game
>Half the roster is Saber

>>21974045
>the only reason TM is any good as a company is because they have nasu writing for them. WRITING. he has proven again and again that he shouldn't be given any position that isn't straight writing the ingame text. even the script that he wrote for LE was a horrible clusterfuck. Extra and CCC have so much text in them they'd actually be better as real VNs with all the "gameplay" removed.

Who is the best writer besides Nasu?

>>21974134
No shit anon, all I'm saying is you can't put all the fault of the gameplay from previous games on him, and this time they're not gonna be working with mediocre subpar studios like in Extra/FGO. They'll build their own team and I'm sure talented people will want in.

>>21974113
>Really tried when they were younger, though they didn't have the artistic or authorial merits. Now that they're rich, they're not trying any more. And they still don't have the artistic merits, so it comes out as a mess.

What was the last TM work that had soul?

>>21974165
Mahoyo

>>21974155
In TM? I honestly consider them all to be really bad, but probably meteor.

>>21974157
Well, they have the Extra guy spearheading it, so they're off to a great start.

>>21974183
>I honestly consider them all to be really bad

Why?

>>21974209
Did you play EO1 or DQ Builders?
I don't think it's fair to dismiss the guy just because Extra's gameplay was mediocre, at least he has experience and was still directing games at Square Enix.
And again, getting more Extra-tier games is still preferable to nothing but FGO, to me at least.

>>21974223
none of them have written anything that has managed to impress me in all the years they have had to do so, which is a really bad track record.

>>21974209
>director of Etrian Odyssey and Dragon Quest Builders 1&2
>producer of Extra &CCC
>co-director of FFXIV RR and other SE games

>>21974231
>>21974258
Based on that track record I suppose we can expect generic JRPGs.

>>21972670
It's still an experimental new game company while he was a SE. Just because they struck gold with FGO doesn't mean they can successfully do this twice.

>>21974288
Extra, CCC, and both Extella games sold very well despite all of them having garbage gameplay.

You could put Fate on literally anything and people will buy it

>>21973420
He said his childhood dream was to work in games, RPG style to be precise. He never wanted to work in VN, he had to out of necessity.

>>21974321
to make this even more pathetic, he actually thinks he can have FGO ending have as much as an impact on the players as they'd get from finishing a great JRPG like final fantasy.

haven't felt so bad for a rich dude all my life

>>21974285
They're hiring for 2D action games too, variety will be important to the studio supposedly.
DQ Builders 2 got some pretty great reviews as well, better than any Fate game.

>>21973539
I don't. I prefer FGO introduced characters for most part and some concepts and scenarios than say things that Extra and its continuations brought into the table. For once, FGO gives us good new original Masters or characters that can appear in other Fate works while Extra Masters are weak and uninteresting or just plain "Rinclone" xxxclone. I'll rather read about Ophelia than about the Harways, for example. And the setting (Singularities+Lostbelts possibilities) is more creative than fucking Mooncell. I hate gacha system and the self insert but it had more creative ideas put in there than the cancer that created the Sakurafaces AIs.

>>21974361
I suppose we'll see if that ends up being true in a few years.

>>21973539
FGO is only good for joke events like Koha Ace events.

>>21974384
Comparing FGO to Extra is like comparing a lemon to a lime.
It's mostly the same shit.

>>21974358
FGO Part 1 ending was as social phenomena in Japan, this was brought up not just in the interview he published last but I've seen it in several general nip talk about games. The reason why FGO exploded in popularity was the ending getting such a massive reception that became a word of mouth which led to the playerbase doubling and tripling on 2017. He's pressured now to make FGO part 2 ending just as memorable. It's gonna be hard because FGO final chapter was written when Nasu was writing things TM style on 2013 as he worked simultaneously on Tsukihime and UBW anime scripts.

>>21974384
FGO botches the execution of all of its decent ideas and turns them to trash.
Extra also had just average ideas with meh execution, resulting in a 5-6/10 experience. But I still respect its format and the way the story is told waaaaay more than how FGO does it.

>>21974436
Not to me. FGO can be salvageable if you rewrite the MC and make it another medium. Extra is shit because the original cast is actually shit and the setting is uninteresting. It could be a Visual Novel and I would dislike it. I don't give a fuck about stories involving say the Harways or Robin's Master, but I wouldn't mind to read more about the Animuspheres (the thing about them in Case Files is good enough) or the Crypters.

>>21974482
Gudao can be good all we can is hope whoever is writing Babylonia actually gave him a personality much like the Persona anime’s giving the MCs personality’s.

>>21974540
>Gudao can be good
>Babylonia

>>21974447
I doubt it will be particularly difficult because Part 1 had a pretty awful ending. You don't need to try super hard to appeal to the masses, FGO is indicative of that

>>21974474
They're both absolute garbage, but at least you can emulate Extra and fast forward the dogshit gameplay

>>21974474
I elaborated what I meant here: >>21974482 I wouldn't check out anything introduced in Extra out of my free will. Some Servants are good (some Servants aren't), but same is the case of FGO (there's more bad examples simply due to a quantity thing). And seriously no Servant in FGO make me hate them over shit like the AIs or Altera. Those aren't just bad lmemes like Blackbeard but plain offensive.

I wouldn't mind reading a novella set in a Lostbelt before is pruned or from the perspective of someone in a Singularity before is 'corrected'. The possibilities FGO opened for these kinds of alternative setting tragic stories is actually amazingly good and could be anything the writer wants in term of flexible world building, but no one has taken advantage of this yet, but the potential exists someone might in the future. While the best of Extra is Land of Steel 2.0 which already got covered before in Notes and that's it, there's a very limited potential. Mooncell is pretty bland and boring setting for stories to me. That's just my opinion.

>>21974566
Contrarian opinion. The ending was good.

>>21974601
I hate Nero so much I think the literal joke Okita is a better Saberface

>>21974613
Ok

>>21974601
Scat is still the worst thing in TM and there is no contest.

>>21974614
I didn't mind Nero until every Roman character more related bent to her. I think any Extra heroine has its set of autistic fanbase except Altera (who is just plainly awful). Mashu isn't a super great character, but she's inoffensive in comparison to the shit from Extra.

>>21974639
Scat is a harmless jobber vs Sakuraclone who is the composite of mother goddesses because I say so so randum XDDD lol.

>>21974183
If Requiem is anything to go by, meteo stopped trying after Girl's Work got stonewalled

>>21974614
Okita can get serious when she wants to be that’s her entire character. She’s an air head with Nobu but when things get serious she becomes cool and collected.

>>21974238
Only Sakurai and Higashide really have a big output

>>21974578
I think Extra is decent, I enjoyed most of the characters and it had some of the last good Master/Servant relationships in the series. Also knew how to balance the Servant screentime with the Masters, and they at least tried to do something with the self-insert instead of making him a generic shounen protag.
The gameplay is indeed trash though and the fast forward helps a ton.

>>21974601
Sorry but I fucking hate FGO's "setting" more than any other in the Nasuverse, going around time travelling or going to Lostbelts where most of the characters you interact with are Servants was a god awful idea and Nasu deserves to have his kneecaps broken for coming up with it.

FGO will never be good because they'll always insist on that concept, on the same medium, and on hundreds of Servants sucking self-insert dick.
I also don't really want anything else out of the Moon Cell though, I enjoyed Extra for the reasons stated above, but the Extella games were trash for many of the same reasons as GO.

All I'm saying is I don't care that much if the studio works on games with Extra-tier gameplay so long as at least they have new characters and aren't as Servant-obsessed as GO trash.
Obviously hope that we can get some TM games with actual good gameplay for the first time since Mellty though.

>>21970415
For me, it's Sensei.

>>21974540
>whoever is writing Babylonia
Nasu. Babylonia anime script got rewritten according to Ueda Kana.

>>21974614
Because Okita is some how better just because she’s in a joke manga doesn’t change the fact Nero is forever a mistake.

>>21974601
>I wouldn't mind reading a novella set in a Lostbelt before is pruned or from the perspective of someone in a Singularity before is 'corrected'. The possibilities FGO opened for these kinds of alternative setting tragic stories is actually amazingly good and could be anything the writer wants in term of flexible world building, but no one has taken advantage of this yet, but the potential exists someone might in the future.
Never thought of this, but you're right. Any writer now could make a story about an aberration of a certain point of time and place different from regular, or about a timeline which diverted vastly and thus creating a new world-building unique there that only has their imagination as limit. They can set up wholly new civilizations and species and magecraft type and even how different the Counter Force works (like in LB3). Of course they are distracted with exploitation gacha game, but it opens the game for diversification, including genre and atmosphere.

Based birdman

>>21974682
>I enjoyed most of the characters and it had some of the last good Master/Servant relationships in the series
Ah yes the amazing Master/Servant 'relationships' from Shinji korean clone and Rin terrorist clone.
Kadoc and Anastasia alone are better than all Master/Servant bullshit from Extra.

>>21974729
>>21974673
>>21974614
>Okita the literal foot fetish bait Saber
>good

>>21974732
they could all of this fucking shit before fgo too, if anything FGO limited the possibilties for alternate worlds.

lostbelts didnt invent alternate history

>>21974682
>Sorry but I fucking hate FGO's "setting" more than any other in the Nasuverse, going around time travelling or going to Lostbelts where most of the characters you interact with are Servants was a god awful idea and Nasu deserves to have his kneecaps broken for coming up with it.
You're seriously shitting on this? I get shitting on FGO for being soulless cashgrab gachashit, but this is the one thing it kind of does right. It's the one game in all of Type Moon where you're actually going out into this massive world that Nasu has created, rather than being tied to a shoehorned high school setting.

>>21974741
Shinji and Rin are obviously forgettable clones but I love Leo, Dan, Julius, and their Servants.
The crypters seem fine but the overall focus of FGO is still largely on Servants and they get the most screentime even if crypters are technically more "important" storywise, it's still a shitty gacha game obsesssed with selling Servants as if they're synonymous with Fate.

Like I said earlier, crypters are just another decent idea that get totally botched by being put in an awful game with an awful story. Of course I wouldn't mind if we got a non-FGO game from studio BB where they got more focus, but they alone can't save FGO from being the trash fire that it's always been.

>>21974757
I'm pretty sure anon's problem is the fact that in these "massive worlds" you're going into and exploring, the only other characters you interact with are servants. Which is why they cited Extella as another dislike. Because it does the same thing. And I agree with them. I don't give a fuck about some writer's fetish or shitty joke or even just plain laziness in the form of a servant when exploring new worlds.

>>21974757
you don't go into fucking anything, because nasu insists on writing about the apocalpyse.

you just visit tiny snippets that exist to shill you more servants. the actual culture and characters found in the lostbelts is pathetic. the last time they did a good job of it was in LB1. every single LB since then has just been:

>remnants of humanity are oppressed by X
>here is a local human you're supposed to relate to and/or a child you're supposed to feel bad for.

>>21974752
Not really. Narita was shy to break Nasu's laws and rules (it was Nasu who shrugged it off) for a good reason because he felt they existed but FGO pretty much officially opened up the game about official wild world building different from any other with even different CF stuff.

LB invented a vastly different world building while other 'parallel' works were pretty much similar to other official works. Unless you're telling me a male or female King Arthur is such a drastic change. We're talking about big world building changes rooted in ancient past. That's new.

>>21974757
Part of the appeal of all previous good Nasu works has always been the small urban fantasy setting, the "lore stuff" is always in the background.
You don't need to go to the Wandering Sea or to Atlas like FGO does, just knowing about them and seeing characters that come from there makes them cool.

Actually going there isn't my main problem though, yeah I would vastly prefer a smaller scale urban fantasy story like Mahoyo to a "story of epic proportions about saving the world", but the real problem is how they don't feature nearly enough cool characters from those locations and are instead just obsessed with showing Servants, as >>21974779
said.