/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>21899548
Really appreciating this man’s love for Arc

>tfw Melty / Tsuki threads on /v/ are miles better than any TM thread on /a/ these days
Funny considering how awful /v/ is

>>21899584
Melty fanbase is honestly one of the best fanbases, which probably has a lot to do with it.
Biggest problem with /a/ threads is that they're mostly just soulless waifu threads these days insofar as TM is concerned. There's nothing really to discuss about modern TM outside of waifushit I guess so it isn't surprising. The Prismafags are especially annoying about it, they post a cunnybait thread literally every day and it's basically nothing but going on about Kuro and Illya's twat

>>21899542
meh op

>>21899542
Great OP. Kohaku love!

>>21899542
let me repeat, it is not a good op
people should get good

>>21899584
While you're right, I'm still seeing so much bullshit I need to clean up.
Bloody hell popularity is overrated.

>>21899872
Sorry to tell you bud but maids are core Type-Moon.
You don't get to complain if you're not making the thread yourself, dumb faggot.

>>21899885
I will still keep the meme up each thread.
Only specific OP images I will consider good and not meh or bad.

>>21899895
And I could make the thread each time, but I'd rather have faith in others.

>>21899885
Why is Aoko so gangsta?

Sakura 1: The human sakura.
Sakura 2: White sakura, the AI the mooncell creates out of scans it had of the real deal.
Sakura 3: BB, backup of white Sakura who has a chimpout for her senpai.
Sakura 4: Melt, created by BB.
Sakura 5: Lip, created by BB.
Sakura 6-8: Kazuradrop, kingprotea, Violet. cut characters from CCC that got reintroduced in later media.
Sakura 9: the BB that gets sent to the fgo timeline to deal with Kiara
Sakura 10: the melt that time-traveling CCC event melt meets after she jumped through time, her past self.
Sakura 11: The melt that can be summoned in Chaldea, who has none of the CCC event melts memories because that melt died.
Sakura 12: summer BB, although it can be argued if you really want to consider her to be her own entry rather than an evolution of the normal Chaldea BB.
Sakura 13-14: Parvati and kama, who get a bunch of shit from sakura 1. If we assume that's FGO timeline sakura, it might be safer to consider her to actually count as Sakura 15, since there might be differences between her and the extraverse human sakura.
Sakura 16(?): Summer melt. Jury is still out on this one until more lore is released, if she's just fucked in the head it wouldn't be fair to consider her to be her own entry, but if she's possed/fused with another entity it would.

>>21900069
TM has a really, really bad recycling problem

>>21900083
>problem
Their strategies to sell waifus to people who think Sakura is hot but hate her character are brilliant.

>>21900112
I guess? Honestly you could probably shit on a plate at this point and FGOtards would still eat it up.

>>21900112
This really pisses me off, there are many characters that people hate but still eat up because of sex appeal.

Stop calling my wife currybutt!

>>21900288
well I call her baguette, given her origin

>>21900069
It amazes me that there are not only people who are ok with this, but celebrate it

Sacchin is so much fun in Melty.

>>21900408
Yeah she is. Her voice actor does a top job

>>21900408
Her animations are amazing, definitely how I pictured her sulking around in vampire form in Tsuki.

>>21900163
I've seen like 30 doujin circles change their C97 header to something FGO summer related, the day that shit released.

It's been a week and we still barely know anything about lion king, literally nothing about okita. FGO character popularity is 100% based on looks and nothing else, everyone already knows TM characters are "safe and consumable" now.

>>21900440
>literally nothing about okita.
She hasn't appeared yet but they already leaked her datamine.
Also she has Foreigner passive skill too.

>>21900497
yes, but why would a doujin creator care about that? I just can't get into the mindset of deciding to work on a doujin of a character you know jackshit about.

>>21900499
Malustaea is Lord of two Faculties?

>>21900288
I call whatever I want MY wife.

>>21900530
They care because fatefags will eat it up

https://pastebin.com/u0HG2kGD

Fuck grand order and fuck gatcha fags.

Shirou fags represent.

>>21900959
>Jeanne’s “True Name Discernment” is supposed to be her strongest appeal as a character,
Is actually possible that Nasu isn't going along with FGO not because he wants the bucks and and want to spite us but because he dramatically misread his fanbase?

>>21901282
yes

>>21901301
otakus bitching at him for sakura being a non-virgin forever ruined him as a writer if you ask me. pretty sure he still thinks about that everytime he writes anything.

FGOtards?
I say fuck them.

Sakura is a great character with a lot of nuance, but Nasu's shitty handling of her plus the structure of her route is Bad.

Sakura-and the other Matous-should have had a bigger focus in the other routes. Lots more build-up. Sakura also has beautiful interactions with Saber and Illya and there should have been a shitton of that.

Also the "Sakura is suffering" should have been handled the same way Illya's suffering was. And don't make Medusa such a useless fucktard.

One of these days I'm gonna write a fanfic about my ideal Heaven's Feel route. Maybe after the third Heaven's Feel movie comes out.

>>21900959
Reading this actually makes me mad, haha.

Everything that happens to Sakura now is a reason to sell tickets fro Heaven's Feel movie and BD limited editions of it.

I wouldn't even be surprised if BB was actually a remnant of typemoon who used mooncell to interfere in FGO crisis and sell more merchandising.

Holy shit, is it me or TM/fate are related threads are fucking exploding on 4chan lately? I don't remember seeing this much everywhere ever. Did something happen?

>>21901459
I mean the new case files episode just came out yesterday so there's naturally a little more activity than usual.

>>21901459
case files anime is airing, and FGO anime will air after it.

>>21901408
That's Alice

>>21901480
I...I can't tell if you're joking or not.

>>21901459
There is a lot of things Fate related being released.

I don't see many TM broad threads though, it is all Fate focused.

I mean, nobody is talking about Tsukihime, Mahoyo, Kara no Kyoukai, etc.

>>21901496
>I mean, nobody is talking about Tsukihime, Mahoyo, Kara no Kyoukai, etc.
In all fairness, it's not like anything new has happened with any of them.

I was also reading the latest interview from Nasu and there was a thing about "why don't you put ryoverse inside nasuverse" and he said that he couldn't because he wanted to maintain the consistency.

But dude, FGO is already a mess concerning consistency to his universe with tons of retcons and rule breaking, why the heck ryoverse would be a difference.

We would have the first director of the FBI on FGO if that happened, just so you know. He is a crossdresser in ryoverse.

>>21901523
Which says a lot about the focus of this company.

>>21901523
WHat's there to discuss about those? Tsuki is irrelavant as fuck, nobody read Mahoyo and Knk is slowly going down the fate road with Shiki and Toukofags.

>>21901553
the fuck's ryoverse?

>>21901558
hold still fgotard
this is gonna hurt a bit

>>21901618
How am I a fgotard, the fuck? That's literally the truth, or are you gonna argue that everybody posting on /a/ read mahoyo?

>>21901603
It is the guy who draws FGO learn with manga, that eventually spawned original servants and an anime.

It is one of the jokes that got too relevant and is now threatening to invade the original series because of FGOtards.

>>21901624
Oh jesus christ, that shit?

It's not even funny, and the art is trash.

Nasu also said in the inverview

"The writers in charge of events are free to write as they will and make characters reappear, but those are just “Ifs”, alternate developments where “this might have happened”. Although they may never be seen ever again for life in a certain person’s Chaldea, that might not be the case in another person’s Chaldea."

>certain person’s Chaldea
So, for each player, you have a different timeline FGO happening in his universe.

I think the easiest way now to release, I don't know, Tsukihime Remake, is to get hands on kirikiri engine and make it yourself.

Nasu might even consider it more than working on it himself, with things considered.

>>21901459
Fgo anime, Case files anime, new jp summer event in GO, HF movie, etc

>>21900499
why is Archaeology full of assholes?

>>21901800
gotta be the hole if you want to understand the hole

>>21901800
If Clocktower 2015 is to be believed it's because they are poorfags who keep reading the same 500 old and rotting tomes over and over again.
Ot that might be just Lev tho

>>21899542
Are there any well written characters in F/GO?

>>21901282
God I love Shirou. I'll never forgive ufotable for fucking his character.

>>21902036
They all follow a formula, where 2/3 is from a written collab creator and a 1/3 from Nasu. All phrases spoken by the character is written by Nasu (source would be his interviews).

I will leave to your subjective perspective to judge if this would be well written or not.

>>21901408
I agree with most if not all of what you said, but I think the highlight of Heaven's Feel is its plot and the contrast of tone with the other routes. If you can manage to keep that in the fanfic at least to some degree, then I'll be pretty interested.

>>21902036
I rather liked Dr. Roman personally. He's kind of shit for most of the plot, but the twist was alright and the idea that he finally got his wish to live a human life, only to recieve a vision of the worlds end and then willingly sacrifice his one reward for the sake of mankind, working tirelessly for years on the hope that he might make a difference is cool. His ultimate sacrifice was pretty good too, but knowing FGO, they're gonna somehow fuck it over and make him summonable anyway.

>>21901408
Heaven's feel is the Kirei route.

>>21902036
Unanswerable question honestly. The issue is there are too many characters. To say there isn't at least one well-written character would be a lie, and to say they are all well-written is a huge lie.

But, I can tell you that both main characters are cardboard cutouts. Gudako is a self-insert and that speaks for itself, and Mash is just moe and follows master above all costs. I think that speaks volumes about the writing.

>>21902113
Yeah. I actually like the dark and unnerving atmosphere of the route, and I honestly want to recapture that. Along with the Shadow absolutely BTFOing servants and making everyone go 'WTF'.

>>21902132
Heaven's Feel is the "Oh shit I gotta hurry up and get this VN out and make some money." route, actually.

>>21902126
I probably would have liked his character more if he wasn't treated as such a joke in the earlier chapters.

>>21902133
>Mash is just moe and follows master above all costs
She's so fucking bland I honestly don't know how she's popular.

>>21902162
>She's so fucking bland I honestly don't know how she's popular.
Different hair color from normal, skimpy clothing, huge tits, moe personality. Probably that.

>>21902182
It's honestly so weird to go from these well developed and somewhat twisted heroines to generic moeshit.

Makes me wonder what the Tuskihime Remake will really be like.

>>21902240
>Makes me wonder what the Tuskihime Remake will really be like.

Considering that most works from Nasu are having its rules changed for the sake of FGO collabs (and Tsukihime is no exception), the Remake is actually in a pretty deprecated situation.

It's been a long time but was it explained in details what exactly happened to Saber in UBW good ending? Did she become a normal human being or did she get to keep her arthurian powerlevel?

>>21902036
The largest issue, as the other poster says, is that there is simply a problem of quantity -- how can they give each and every character worthwhile writing? They cannot. It's a problem typical with pretty much all mobage, as it's a medium of quantity-over-quality. The few well written characters are exceptions, the majority of characters feel like generic tropes formed from a template.

>>21902372
Saber is there as a counter guardian, so I believe there is no reason for change?

>>21902372
She's still a servant.

>>21902378
>It's a problem typical with pretty much all mobage, as it's a medium of quantity-over-quality.

Which wouldn't be a problem if FGO stayed as an irrelevant-joke-only spin off while his other works progressed as normal.

But Nasu had the "great idea" of expanding his universe in a smartphone.

>>21902429
Well, it's not going away anytime soon.

>>21902071
Ufo Shirou is still a great character compared to most of the current ones.

>>21902456
This image just took me back to the times where the only thing I had to worry about in this fandom were the secondaries and Urobuchi dick suckers.

Christ, I'll take thousands of those over the current FGO fanbase.

>>21902476
One of the things that I liked about TM is that you had a literature barrier, as most people I knew complained about infodumps (and I am talking about adaptations here, not VNs).

Now I have people who pretty much shits on KnK saying its too dense and that Apocrypha is better.

>>21902506
It's just a result of mainstream success, I guess. The majority of people are dumb, so it follows if you become as massively popular as TM is, the majority of your audience will stupid.

I have run across a lot of Apocrypha fellators. Many of them claim it's their favorite "Fate anime" (as they call it)

>>21902506
If anyone says anything good about Apocrypha I just start ignoring them. Literally nothing good came from that superficial wankfest of bland characters.

>>21902506
>>21902563
>people actually like Apocrypha
Literally the only good thing about it are the Jeanne doujins.

This sick fuck

>>21902582
Nah the Jack doujins are better

What the fuck was his problem?

>>21900530
Name a doujin which isn't OOC.
That is a really hard task, and in some instances the OOC version is actually better than the canon version, which makes people believe the OOC is the canon instead, which gets people to like complete trash in canon.

>>21902582
>implying it wasn't the soundtrack

>>21902612
>Caster's into overstimulation
What a lame fetish for a lame character.

>>21902786
>>implying it wasn't the soundtrack
Those people also say that shingetsutan most redeeming factor is its good soundtrack.

>>21902786
>>21902822
I can't feel a thing for soundtracks if there's nothing meaningful behind it. For example, I like the church theme since it reminds me of Kotomine.

https://imgur.com/a/JW4fE3w
/tg/ are a little off the mark in a few places, also some of their representations vis-a-vis between Masters and Servants annoys me.
Not to mention the obvious nu-cancer.

>>21902867
I remember when /cyoag/ wasn't chok full of cancer like today
also >mixing fate with tsukihime

>>21902839
I agree. The only thing that I like in apocrypha was Amakusa theme which made me like the exorcism scene because, well, I am a baroquefag.

If there was more church on FGO I might have been a FGOtard considering it.

>>21902909
It makes no sense for a reason.

That /a/ thread made me reconsider taking up nihilism.

>>21903002
which thread?

>>21903110
>>>/a/192114119

>>21903135
Okay that is pretty suicide inducing

>>21903135
Yikes, what the fuck went wrong with Type-Moon lads
Who will shake Nasu out of his delusion that things are fine and that their current shit is as good as ever?

>>21903175
Nothing. FGOfags keep saying its good and they keep pouring money into it.

>>21902822
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HgssPdtjzSA&list=PL81DC6021B1FD5FB7&index=8&t=0s

It's a pretty cool soundtrack tho
Probably the only thing of worth to come out of that thing

fuck people that defend FGO

>>21903135
Great thread.

>>21903467
fucking none of the writing is good, I really don't understand why anybody thinks otherwise.

>>21903467
Even if the story was actually good (something I highly doubt), I can bear to sit through that fucking awful gameplay. Same reason why I can bring myself to read Extra.

Was Olga in Case Files originally? People told me that from this episode anime OC ends and they start adapting the novels properly.

>>21902867
>https://imgur.com/a/JW4fE3w
ORT's case suddenly popping on my screen as the last of the advent threats actually hyped me. How can you create such god tier design and concept and never use it is beyond me.

>>21903484
>can
can't* obviously

>>21903490
Sometimes things are better left alone.

>>21903489
Yes, she was.
You can download the volume and see her on the ilustrations for yourself, if you don't belive it.

>>21903528
I thought she was in FGO first though.

>>21903528
Why would I not believe you? Thanks.

>>21903467
>among Nasu's best written work
Are we actually going down the road of comparing FGO writing to Fate's amazing built from the ground up worldbuilding serving a self contained story or Mahoyo incrediblity as a literary piece?

>>21903549
She was in Case Files originally in the sense she isn't an anime addition.
She's a character in the novels.
She appeared first as a character in FGO, and a few months (iirc) later in Case Files

>>21903472
Those posts in particular, fuck them.

>>21903472
This post is fucking retarded. The main lore is STILL in their original games, FGO makes its own retarded lore.

>More anime adaptations
>More movies
The anime adaptations were made before this shitty game got made and UBW was made before it got popular, and Heaven's Feel was planned before this shit.

The new anime adaptations are of the shitty game, same with the movies. And it's extremely obvious that the author of Lord El Melloi didn't want the anime adaptation until the novels were finished.

>More manga
The manga are also adaptations of the shitty game.

>In fact you need to play FGO to keep up with the lore
Thank the heavens this isn't true. Its good that they decided to make it its own separate universe.

>making the franchise more friendly, successful and bigger
For whom? FGOfags. Fuck the people that made Type-Moon into something in the first place.

>>21903647
>Thank the heavens this isn't true. Its good that they decided to make it its own separate universe.
A few things in FGO do apply to the Nasuverse as a whole, though even these concepts were first in Extella or other spinoffs.
Of course all you need to understand these things is summaries.

>>21903695
>>21903647
Actually FGO not only affects other timeline but it actually create potential for more things.

You have to remember that FGO is actually touching the throne of heroes and Chaldea is a device that could overwrite history. Not even the Void did that.

>>21903873
>throne of heroes
Irrelevant to non-Fate worlds.

>Chaldea
Probably doesn't even exist in worlds like FSN where Maris didn't win the Fuyuki war, much less in Tsukihime.

>>21904108
>Probably doesn't even exist in worlds like FSN where Maris didn't win the Fuyuki war
Chaldea's existence doesn't depend on Marisbilly winning the HGW or not. It was founded in 1950. MB Nightmare manga pretty much confirmed it does exist in MB/Tsuki and Extra considering Sion's and Sialim's relationship with Olga and the Animusphere.

Also those theories about Marisbilly and the mana depletion in Extra world.

>>21904108
>Irrelevant to non-Fate worlds
Affecting Fate worlds is bad enough.

>Probably doesn't even exist in worlds like FSN where Maris didn't win the Fuyuki war, much less in Tsukihime.
The issue is not that it exists, but that it can access them. There's nothing going against the idea that it has Second Magic-like status, if not more poweful.

I don't know if you payed attention, but FGO was meant to be a fanservice making tool, that is, a repository to make whatever is necessary for more cashcow. To affect other timelines is a basic principle and Lostbelts even supports this Phenomena.

From nip
https://twitter.com/gm_1o7/status/1160938100044029953
>Loli Vinci's profile clarifies that FGO world is currently dying due to Overcount 1999 (?)
(TL of that part: Having lived through hundreds upon millions of years, this planet is on its deathbed. / O children, who were given a mere tens of a millennia for evolution. / Do grant unto this dying star a final dream. / At that small, yet ever brilliant, conclusion of childhood.)

>According to Last Encore's official website, it's caused by the damage to the nucleus of the Earth's soul.
(TL of Overcount 1999 entry on LE website:
A mysterious phrase, mentioned by Twice.
Per a decisive depletion of resources, the era where began the decline of Man.
Its cause is unclear.
The resources of the Earth, theoretically beyond the consumption of man, came to depletion; the [capacity] by which life could be sustained was from the World lost.
Upon its Core (?, kaku) -- what could be called its very soul -- did the Earth sustain damage; or so he stated, but...)

>Chaldeas is the replica of the planetary body of Earth by utilizing the soul of the Earth as a foundation.
>Sheba was created in 1999

Also regarding the mana depletion in Extra timeline, there's a part in Last Encore scriptbook
>The name is XXXXXX. That is the cause of the stagnation of human history in Extra world.
And coincidentally Marisbilly's name in JP fits that part.

Went to /fgog/ and they sure went into full self-defense mode after the /a/ backlash against nu-Fate's sucess.

>w-wow guys I guess nu-/a/ is a real thing huh?
>they definitely must've changed because Fate is exactly the same as when it was beloved and happily discussed!
>we're the REAL oldfags and Type-Moon is as great as ever, I guess it must be the newfags ruining /a/! No other reason anyone could dislike modern Fate!

The delusion keeps growing stronger.

https://twitter.com/xxyui_hxx/status/1163022367288750080

>>21903873
How does FGO affect the throne of heroes? Don't they just copypasta saint graphs into Chaldea and summon them from there

>>21904361
Humanity's down to like 100 people so the throne basically went "alright this is bad just summon whatever you want, my dude." So you get fanfics and normal humans turned into heroic spirits on the fly.

>>21904380
Ah that's what you meant, wakaru

>>21904218
This and the raincoat pic having only 3 of the big 4 triggers me.

>>21904361
By touching it at will. And any servant summon follows the same pattern as Fuyuki HGW, just check the sources on any TM wiki or BL.

Also, there's a phrase on Carmilla last incarnation (summer event) that says that her wish of overcoming Bathory is "changing her saint graph temporarily". So the potential is there anyways.

>>21902582
Hey, the action animation was pretty good and it gave us the best-animated episode of the year when it aired. If the Babylonia anime can do the same then it should be an entertaining watch.

What is Takeuchi's obsession with this pose
Is it his fetish?

>>21904781
might be the easiest for him to draw at a pinch.

>>21904781
He has like, 3 poses with mirroring.

Guys, I heard there is an anime about Reines and Olga airing right now. Why would anyone make an entire series about such secondary FGO characters?

>>21904834
It is actually focused on Waver and the Mage Association, Reines and Olga just happen to be related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRkovAiCVEw&list=PLdWuc_xyC-UWNs40hGIDJMs0SrFgmJH6g&index=64&t=0s

surfs up...................................................

>>21903467
The worst thing is that people actually believe this.

babylonia, camelot and CCC still suffer from the same problem as any fgo chapter, that is atleast 40% of the fucking chapter is nothing but filler and shitty jokes that exist to shill random characters. Seriously, please tell me what the fuck the point was of having jaguarman in babylonia?

>>21903467
>>21903472
I will never understand this mentality.

>>21905194
it's probably done just to wind us up more than anything
if not, then I truly will lose all faith

>>21905198
Those who hate it are in the minority too, and yet they still go to dumb lengths to defend it.

>>21900959
>I had to put on a lot of facial cream
That theory about Nasu being a woman really terrifies me for some reason.

>>21903280
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GxnRhRLIudk
Personal favorite track from it

>Akiha finally goes to school with me
>Route starts going full retard

Daily reminder that FGO is shit
SHIIIIIT

>>21901553
>why the heck ryoverse would be a difference.
Because Gudako is heterosexual and makes choco for guys and blushes over them while Gudao gets choco from women and Riyo makes them both gay.

>>21902126
I agree Roman is great, but I don't think he was "shit", it's mostly him playing a mask. Episode 0 shows him bare without pretences and is annoying we didn't get him as protagonist instead. A work that focuses on younger Mashu and Roman and a relationship of father figure and ward rather than forced romance would have been refreshing.

>>21905601
him putting on a mask is something you'll only know at the end of the story.

reading through early FGO chapters is fucking torture and roman doesn't make it any better

>>21902036
Bedivere in Camelot. Some Servants like Merlin, Gil (Caster), Medusa Lily/Ana, Dantes, etc get solid stuff. Moriarty too I suppose. I also enjoyed Nightingale who is underrated because of her art and only brought up by a meme CE when she's a seriously interesting take on Nightingale and she's well fleshed out (but she's not a waifubait so she's overlooked). And the Lion King before this Summer. From the LB Kings, I liked Qin the best. There was never enough of Ivan, while Skadi and God Arjuna relied on people liking Scat and Arjuna; Qin was appropriately larger than life and balanced in his twisted ways.
From general story (not gacha related): Roman and Mashu are really good and old type moon feeling when Nasu explores them seriously (rather than see the lenses of buttmonkey and senpai waifubait from the beginning). The Crypters so far are all interesting as well; Pepe was a huge surprise, because I didn't expect that character who looked like a campy okama have that kind of dark backstory and motivations. I really hope someday we see the Crypters, Roman, and Mashu in some AU-setting. I don't care what bullshit Nasu will pull to excuse them, preferably Guda-free. I'm a bit on the fence with the Animuspheres yet I find the family intriguing but I'm not sure how Nasu will execute their scheme if they are behind things. Gordolf is likable but not particularly interesting or fascinating.
Oh and Goetia was a memorable antagonist too, but he mostly works because Roman and Mashu are strong counterparts. Without them and only Guda to "foil" him, he wouldn't be anywhere as interesting.

>>21899872
maid haters out

>>21905611
I don't know. I had a different experience because I caught early on Roman was pretending. His behavior in the prologue and Septem was mostly serious (with "leff" being wary for him specifically) while he was a forced spaz in Orleans for example (but tactically none of this ever endangered anyone). He's very suspicious in Okeanus again and he provided all the actual useful infodump there, Artemis calls him out about being too smart, and his entire conversation with David, or how he slips about Merlin. It just came together in the end for me because I already saw through his bullshit. It was weird someone with only a medical doctor title was a walking wikipedia and could operate high magitech equipment on top of running the place immediately after the sabotage in a smooth manner.

Before I started reading FGO somebody told me that roman is actually merlin. That honestly made way more sense than solomon for a long fucking while.

>>21905658
i don't hate the maids at all, but it is not the ideal op
it is meh, not even bad

>>21905859
It's the only official Hisui&Kohaku picture that came out this year so far.

>>21905859
What the fuck do you mean "the ideal op"? It's just a fucking image, it doesn't fucking what it is as long it relates to the subject of the thread.

>>21905210
Maybe that's why there's special mention to Takeuchi wanting to turn male heroes into women.

>>21906768
Nasu is a Saberface/Hisuiface?

>>21905768
Him being Solomon was pretty easy to guess after Okeanus. But again I wasn't completely buying Goetia was 100% Solomon when he did the double possession creepy voice like the Exorcist.
The Fou = Merlin before Garden of Avalon CD drama was more a theory.

So am I one of the few people that hate Nasu's take on Arthurian lore the more he covers it, or nah?

>>21907178
Most definitely. Following the French fanfic was the first mistake and it just compounded from there.
>dude camelot falling was a quantum time lock and trying to prevent it was pointless
>dude excalibur is actually an ancient weapon for killing threats to the planet
>dude rhongomyniad

>>21907188
>Most definitely. Following the French fanfic was the first mistake
...what?

>>21907208
Le Morte d'Arthur. Lancelot and Galahad for example have zero basis on the original Welsh legends and are French OC donut steels added in centuries later. I'd be fine with them appearing as fictional Heroic Spirits but in Fate they actually existed while, for example, Charlemange's Paladins apparently did not.

>>21907227
You literally just have a french hate boner.

How are you dealing with the fact that TM will never return to its roots and continue to shill soulless products?

>>21907391
What? I have nothing against France, quite the opposite since Britain gets all the Nasu favoritism

>>21907163
Solomon wasn't even name-dropped til London I thought

>>21907420
Everything has an end. Just move on.

>>21907452
He's mentioned in Okeanos

>>21907420
Doesn't bother me that much if I'm honest

>>21907452
He's mentioned in Okeanus, and was made obvious earlier in Fuyuki about the "King" of Flauros (one of Solomon's demons).

>>21907420
I am currently trying to reprogram myself to like shit.

I am already starting to raise the white flag, frankly.

>>21907188
But if he didn't follow the french, we wouldn't have JETSalot. I like JETSalot.

>>21908086
And Ciel. No France, no Ciel.

>>21907420
Im honestly more upset at the damage TM has done to the VN industry as a whole, rather than them raping their own own universe.

You can always say that they were just at the right place at the right time, and that gacha games would always have gotten this big, but TM making the #1 gacha game planted some really shit and dangerous ideas into the industry. pretty much made everyone go "how can we be like FGO to escape our declining industry" instead of "what can we do to improve our declining industry?"

to the guy that complained about the /a/ thread yesterday : >>>192151509
this one's toping it imo

>>21908381
You didn't link it right but any /a/ thread where people shit on GO trash and that makes /fgog/ seethe is great.

Why dodn't Gil just GoB/Ea the shit out of the demonic beats instead of wasting his mana summoning useless goons?

>>21908491
Because they did not have the concept of death I think. They wouls be destroyed physically, but Gaia would just regenerate them.

Also one of the Beasts is related to Enuma Elish, I don't think it would work.

>>21908528
No the Beasts Beasts like Tiamat, the little shits that harrased Uruk and the others towns.

>>21907868
Assuming one already knows about the legend of Solomon, anyway

>>21908491
shit writing, couldn't be bothered.

>>21908553
He was not a servant at that point I guess so things might have been harder.

>>21908571
Wouldnt the common bible classes by churches be enough to give an idea?

>>21905084
To make a reference to a obscure line in the original FSN?

>>21908665
he fires a volley of laser beams at tiamat 10 chapters later.

>>21908491
>>21908553
>>21908665
>>21908699
Because as strong as he is, he can't defend a fuckoff massive wall by himself. So he opens his treasury and hands its weapons to his citizens so they can defend the wall while he micromanages everything.

>>21908720
Which is the reason for him being a Caster.

>>21908665
What? Gil is one of those HS that is immensly weaker as a servant. Just look at his stats, do you really think thet match a 2/3 god from the AoG? His only added benefit is GoB conceptual ability but even without that it still contains about everything anyone could ever need.

Yeah, you fucker didn't tell me about the ost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCiJGl9NOBQ

>>21908788
soulless

>>21908788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsSaogoNzc

Are the people in the /a/ thread just trolling when they say FGO feels like a VN? or have they never read an actual VN? all these mobage are structured like the "books" I wrote when I was 9 years old.

>>21908773
I am not questioning his status as an ideal, but rather the context on Babylonia singularity.

And frankly those stats means shit on a retcon induced mobage, so why even bother.

>>21908862
they're trolling or just plain delusional.
it doesn't feel like a true vn one bit.

>>21908831
Why are you so obsessed with what subhumans on /a/ think? If you don't like FGO then don't go into thread about it and stay here.

>>21908831
My friends only say the writing is VN like, not the 2-line ADV format. Like, if they extract the text and put it on paper, FGO is "good".

All of them agree that FGO is shit for VN standards, which is a feat.

R07 had less with Higurashi and he did a better job.

>>21908866
meant for >>21908831

>>21908676
That's putting a lot of faith in kids who went to sunday school. Personally I can't remember shit

>>21908917
omg Im a bible nerd then
Is that even possible

>>21908571
>>21908676
>not simply knowing Solomon as part of your overall knowledge
>assuming people had a religious education
Wtf am I reading. US aren't the only country in the world btw.

what does /tmg/ think about Rider?

>>21904545
It had one good fight which was Apollo vs Achilles. The rest was just gimmick bullshit. The jubei fight in Princess Principal was way better.

>>21907420
I'm re-reading F/SN for the third time as a coping mechanism.

>>21908946
I am not from USA.

>>21908954
I like her personality and feel bad for her BG story.

>>21906438
you'll see

>>21908807
>>21908788
Mediocre and without any pure feeling.

>>21908991
>Nasu fell for the Ovid meme
>he also made it even more retarded

Why did the the servants Gilgamesh summoned agreed to help him and were so loyal to him?

>>21908991
is Medusa really all that innocent?

>>21909183
Benkei was upset at being the most awkwardly out-of-place looking character in TM

>>21909194
She is a fucking greek goddess which reflects the worst of humanity, of course she isn't.

But she wasn't born as a monster, she eventually became one for a reason. By comparison you could say "innocent" but meh

>>21909194
I remember seeing people on f*cebook arguing that Medusa did nothing wrong, and that she was just a "victim of men"

>>21909183
Because they needed something to promote those Epic of Gilgamesh audio books by Gil seyuu.

>>21909257
Godly men you mean, how the fuck a normal human would even affect her.

Friendly reminder that Nasu complained about having to put H CGs because it didn't fit the theme.

FGO now is known for its doujins and lewd ascension arts, more porn than ever and I now just LAUGH AT THIS JOKE OF AN AUTHOR.

>>21909336
Damn, Sakura looks like that?

>>21909349
Theoretically this should be happening now on the 2nd and 3rd movies, although it would be soft porn.

>>21909349
Her boobs are bigger in Hollow Ataraxia.

>>21909336
It is kind of interesting what a turn things took. FSN and Tsukihime had porn in their games, but they were never the draw. R-18 doujins for the series were actually kind of rare, especially for some characters like Illya.

Then you get FGO with no porn but with some of the highest levels of over sexualization that I have ever seen in a piece of media. And the fandom are complete cumbrains. EVERY thread on /a/ is filled with lewd spam, it is the center of most FGO discussions. EVERY character is whored out, Illya gets dozens of doujins featuring mind break, rape, fat old men, etc. It is a constant stream of cum being produced by this game.

How ironic that Nasu bemoaned the erotic scenes in the original game, but once he starts doing mainstream works with no porn, his entire audience became cumbrains

>>21909510
>R-18 doujins for the series were actually kind of rare, especially for some characters like Illya.
I don't really agree with this part. Obviously you get way more doujin now since the franchise is way more popular now, but you can still find plenty of old Fate doujins. In Illya's case, she got way more doujins because of Prisma.

>>21909510
Nasu tried to go porn free with stuff like DDD, Mahoyo, Realta Nua, etc.
Make no mistake tho, GO may not be explicit porn, but all the titilation, waifus, the swinsuits, the bond lines being the way they are, etc is meant to atract the kind of audience you're talking about.
Teasing can be even more efective than porn in garnering interest

>>21909336
>Sakura is said to be a titty monster in the VN
>average tits at best in CG
UUUHH TAKEUCHI?

>>21909597
Arc's original CG are even funnier, the in-game text even referencing her boobs being very large, but then you get to her H scene and she looks almost flat in some of them.

Takeuchi didn't really draw her boobs properly for years.

>>21909597
This one is the largest Takeuchi could do.

He is a pettanko maniac, just look at Saber CGs.

>>21909663
Yeah, he's a toothpick fetishist, really. He doesn't like thighs, hips, or large breasts.

>>21909670
Saber looks like a 14 years old and there's an interview where he says he likes drawing young girls and shows a few Hermione.
Tl;dr: Takeuchi is somewhat of a lolicon

Adorable

>>21909678
>Takeuchi is kinda a lolicon so we don't get good boobs or asses in H-CGs
>Takeuchi is not lolicon enough to give Illya h-scenes
we literally got the worst of both worlds

>>21909678
>>21909687
Personally, from the way he draws at least, I wouldn't classify him as a lolicon, but as someone whose strike zone is in the younger JK range, and in particular ones who are very anorexic.

I say this because as someone who is quite into lolis myself, I don't really feel like he targets me at all. Even lolis are soft, but Takeuchi draws his girls very skinny and hard.

>>21909628
This part was fucking hilarious for me. Like, in comparison to the H scenes of the other characters, Arcs was definitely big. But then looking at it more, you realize that it's not just Arc, but everyone else has boobs drawn wrong. Every other character has their size downgraded by a whole cup in their H scene CGs. So Arc just has regular to semi-large sized boobs while everyone else is flat as a board, so it gave me the impression that the Arc, in fact, had huge tits. Outside perspective told me otherwise though.

>>21909678
isn't Saber's body supposed to be 14 anyway?

So, I caved in and watched Camelot and Babylonia. And come one dudes, okay that's not the best Nasu, okay shit like Jaguar man and the constant "I'm so grateful you were here (You)-kun, even though you did nothing!" are really grating but let's be honest. They were pretty good.

>>21909719
>watched
did you watch a F/GO playthrough or something?
They're not good, but both have good nasu kino moments

>>21909719
I think Babylonia is trash, but Camelot is pretty alright.

LB1 was unironically better than Babylonia.

>>21909713
Yeah, she stopped aging the moment she pulled out Caliburn, and wiki is telling me here that Shirou thinks she is about a year younger than him. Shirou is 17 years old, so Saber should be 15-16. Takeuchi definitely didn't do her dirty.

>>21909730
>>21909731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M65EQvUQnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrz9_gLwHIM
watched those
>They're not good, but both have good nasu kino moments
"not good" seems a bit harsh but I agree on "have good nasu kino moments".
Pretty alright with good kino nasu moments I'd say.
>I think Babylonia is trash, but Camelot is pretty alright.
Why do you think so?

>>21908954
I feel like she's a useless cuck for about most of the VN, and Nasu overestimated his ability to write her as a mysterious and intimidating serpent.

>>21909807
She basically just jobs in Fate and UBW. She has a prominent role in HF though which I thought was nice.

>>21909719
Camelot is decent if you ignore the self-insert MC, Babylonia is just trash with very few redeeming qualities.

The thing is though, I think you're misunderstanding the hate for FGO. People here aren't angry that a gacha game has a mediocre story that very rarely veers into "decent" territory, that was to be expected. What sucks is this shitty game with subpar execution and a bad format for storytelling having substituted Type-Moon visual novels, and the entire universe spinning around it for the past 4 years.
Not to mention how obnoxious it was to see people in 2016/17 praise those 2 chapters and lump them together with Nasu's best writing ever, as if that's the case at all. It was all to keep their illusion of normalcy, to pretend that there's nothing wrong with TM and that Nasu is writing great stuff as always, which is just untrue in every way.

>>21909555
Non-nude ecchi is the gold standard for having the most motivation for porn doujins.
When a non-nude series shows nudity for the first time after teasing for years, you get a crapton of hype.

>>21909712
Arc is 88, they're nice.

>>21909854
Perfectly sized IMO

>>21909703
Takeuchi likes the average japanese girl, which from 14y~30ish stays with the same appearance.

He is a normie.

>>21909846
THIS

I never hated FGO to begin with. I played it on 2015 expecting it to be a spin off non-relevant mobage just for the lols and jRPG to fill my time while I waited for Tsukire, Mahoyos and etc.

Then I hear from Nasu that this shit was to be the main project for a long time and that he spending half his time with FGO and the other half with souls and other games.

>>21909846
Hum, I perfectly understand and agree with all that. What I was saying is that as one time stories those two are pretty good.
>Babylonia is just trash with very few redeeming qualities.
Same question, why do you think that?

>"Takeuchi-san seems to like little girls"
>"What, really? lol"
>"You said you liked Hermione from Harry Potter..."
>"I like women who are... slender."

>>21909897
88 is indeed perfect.

>>21909920
Babylonia has the worst case of pseudo-Servants butting their heads into the main story, possibly the most Guda wank (people sucking the self-insert's dick all the time for no reason), awful tonal inconsistencies even when it gets to the mostly serious final stretch, unlikable villains... and all the characters that aren't total shit are just super boring (Ushi, Benkei, Leonidas, etc).
The setting itself and the Tiamat invasion are cool concepts but they're utterly wasted by awful execution. Merlin and arguably Gil are the only good aspects of that chapter IMO

>>21909940
Though I will say, I consider Aoko's official measurements to no longer include 3 sizes.
Only height and weight.
b/w/h is mainly for eroge characters, so I consider the Mahoyo measurements to be the only accepted measurements.

>>21909940
Boob twins

>>21909948
Hum, dunno if it's because I only watched those two and kinda sped through it and only really focused on the cool parts but I didn't feel what you describe this hard. Not saying you're wrong though.

>>21907420
In this day and age, it was bound to happen. Lot of stuff I've liked has either completely derailed itself or sold out for a the payday, which I completely understand.

Ciel is cute

CUTE!

Haven't been here in forever, nice to see the threads are still going. Anything I've missed?

>>21910976
I want to kiss her thighs!

Nothing really, Tsuki and Mahoyo got some official merch at C96, Wada said she's "excited for the Remake" on twitter recently, and FGO continues to be trash. That's all.

>>21905655
>Bedivere in Camelot.
I know that the majority of the Nips rank Babylon higher than Camelot, but Bedivere's story was more emotional than any part of Babylonia.

>>21910995
Bedivere was, at least in some form, part of Saber's route.

>>21910991
Indirect kiss with Arc!

Official merch is always nice, I wish we got more than just that, I guess the wada tweet would be that though

Heading to Tokyo at the end of the year and would like to purchase some TM related merch like artbooks, what's the #1 place to get them?

>>21911007
>at the end of the year
C97...? (Dec 28th - 31st). There are a lot of merch like novel, artbook, doujin, acrylic stands,.. by fans, professional artists as well as official stuff from Typemoon too.

>>21911020
im not going by myself, but with 家族 [/spoilers]

>>21909731
>I think Babylonia is trash
agreed. I get that the ending has a lot of hype moments,I'm not going to pretend that I didn't enjoy King Hassan clipping Tiamat's wings, but outside of Merlin's occasional shitposting the first two/thirds of the story are dogshit. The random Japanese servants (and Leonidas) are all flat and and feel mostly like character bloat. The side characters in Camelot, London, America, and even Okeanos play off each other better and mostly feel more necessary than the random servants in Babylon. The tonal inconsistencies between the slice of life and moments and the "epic" story are jarring, because of the time skip.

>>21911050
>because of the time skip.
??????????

>>21911057
the like two week time skip that covers (you) living in Uruk

>>21909719
I think most of us would agree here that FGO has parts which are good or enjoyable, but it's just a shame that so much of it is bogged down by the medium, the awful protagonist, and the copious amounts of undeveloped characters which are just there to be whale bait. And, well, a lot more, but you get the picture.

Outside of Mahoyo TM hasn't really done a work that I can actually sit all the way through in, like, 10 years. Without emulation I would have dropped Extra and CCC, and I frankly couldn't finish Extella or it's sequel due to how boring the gameplay was. TM has a serious problem with their gameplay titles, outside of Melty none of them are worth my time, and frankly that is pretty worrying as Nasu seems like he's going to keep being involved in gameplay titles. Surely someone who plays games as much as he does should realize that most of their games are absolute trash to play.

>>21911207
I bet Nasu wants to work with Fromsoft with how much he enjoys their games. But they would rather work with George RR Martin, which is hilarious given how much he practically begs for it. Some recent interview had him saying how much he wanted to collab with Bloodborne, Sekiro and Demon Souls in FGO and how he basically already had a Hunter character made for the game.

Fuck you I refer to Nasu as he

>>21909719
Yes, now watch epic of remant and any lostbelt that isn't LB1 and tell me the writing quality didn't instantly fucking degrade again.

>>21911220
From can honestly suck my fucking dick for dropping every single franchise of theirs that isn't souls, even when they try to do something different like sekiro it's still just an obvious souls mod.

I enjoy the games as much as anybody, but I feel they're wasting their company talent. Miyazaki already talked about how elden ring is going to have more rpc mechanics again, so it's probably another souls game in anything but name.

https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1163741177427849216

How long ago was this retconned?

What if nasu is actually a girl

>>21911348
What if nasu doesn't actually exist and was just made up by takeuchi

>>21911382
Nasu is just Takeuchi having a schizophrenic breakdown

What if Merlin is a self insert of nasu.

>>21911418
what if nasu is a self insert of merlin

>>21911312
Everything about the HF adaptation is unremarkable. Even the box is boring. Impressive consistency.

>>21909703
>younger JK range
?

>>21911672
dude...

>>21911466
My friends were all like "DOOD SAKURA HAVE SAKURA WITH SHIROU LIKE SEX SCENES FAPFAP" then I went to check it with a camrip version and like, nothing happened.

I mean, there wasn't even titty shots, which Kara no Kyoukai.

DOOD THE POINT OF SAKURA IS THE BOOBS AND THERE IS NO NIPPLES TO BE SEEN WTF.

>>21911878
which Kara no Kyoukai has*

>>21911878
>I mean, there wasn't even titty shots, which Kara no Kyoukai has.
That's post-F/GO TYPE-MOON for you.

>>21911466
What are you talking about, Sakura finally getting the love she deserves is remarkable considering how forgotten she's been the past decade.

And no, those shitty waifu clones of her in Extra don't count.

>>21911312
I'm really fucking excited to rewatch with the BD, the 2nd movie is fantastic.

>>21911007
Animate for new stuff, surugaya for old stuff

>>21912080
If you have time you should hit up as many secondhand shops in akiba as you can. Lots of really cool history and old TM stuff to be found

>>21912013
And what's exactly remarkable about it?

>>21912177
I literally explained it. She's been nothing more than a footnote in merchandise and in official art. Now that her route is getting animated and has a manga there's a huge boom in both of those.

>>21912194
Cute witch Sakura.

Nobody from Fate deserves anything.
Call me bitter, but they can all get stuffed.

>>21912213
I'm bitter but that didn't make me go from loving to hating Fate/stay night all of a sudden.
It's the new shit I have a problem with, I'm still happy about Emiya Gohan and the HF movies.

>>21912221
Yeah honestly all the new shit just made me love and appreciate Stay Night more. Aside from Heaven's Feel I'm not feeling any of the new content. In fact I hate pretty much all of it. Even Case Files, which I thought I'd like.

Thank god I'm taking my time with Hollow Ataraxia, or I'd probably just drop out of Fateshit entirely.

>>21912221
Over time I've began to find FSN... meh.
Every aspect of it has been done better in other Nasu works.
It's shining grace are the climaxes, which are pure chunni goodness.
There the best does hold up.

>>21912254
>Every aspect of it has been done better in other Nasu works
Curious. Explain?

>>21912254
I disagree, FSN is still my favorite and feels the most "complete". I do think his writing is better in Mahoyo and the technical aspects are obviously at their best there, but overall stay night is just an amazing classic. Even after growing jaded towards Fateshit, I still find myself thinking back to when I first read it and I still have genuine love for it.

>>21912260
Characters, designs, premise, writing, prose, art, pacing, concept, plot.
All are best in works outside of Fate.
FSN is carried hard by SLH and MoS, among other scenes.

>>21912274
>FSN is carried hard by SLH and MoS
I actually agree with you about Nasu being a hack and rehashing the same shit but coloring it differently, but this right here is just wrong.

>>21912274
I will never understand the endless wanking of these two bad endings. SLH is a cool climax and it's awesome that he included a great fight as totally optional, but it's not even as good as the real final HF fight.
And Mind of Steel is just nothing.
If these were the highlights of F/SN for you, no wonder you didn't like it as much as I still do.

>>21912277
>>21912289
FSN is climaxes, the VN.
That is why it is where it is.
Everything in-between is just a tease or a chore.

>>21912194
I wanted a good adaptation, not more Sakura merch.

>>21912334
I'll be honest, I don't give a shit that Illya "I got my own spin-off manga and anime" Einzbern didn't get as much screentime cause they gave it to Sakura. The more Sakura screentime, the better, in fact.

That little flashback sequence they did to establish Sakura and Shirou's relationship was beautiful. Only thing they could have did better as an adaptation would be including VN remixes.

>>21912334
It's a pretty good adaptation at least for movie 2. My only real disappointments were the Church arm scene getting cut, and the Illya shopping scene being mostly cut.
But the rest of it was seriously fucking amazing IMO, some of the scenes surpassed what I had imagined from the VN, and it didn't shy away from the sexual content (yeah yeah no titties and all that, but the fact that they even had implied sex and referenced Sakura not being a virgin is all I wanted).

>>21912289
>And Mind of Steel is just nothing.
The wanking over MoS is especially just fucking bizarre to me. It is, as you say, literally nothing. Maybe people just think it sounds cool or something.

>>21912355
To be somewhat fair, Prisma and FSN Illya are completely different characters that share a name.

FSN was my first contact with TM, when I was 13 years old and it was at the time when Naruto was a hit so when I first saw it, it was like "omg my friends are dumb this shit is so good".

But eventually I knew other works and came to love them more. I don't dislike FSN, but I think it is, of all the works, the one which less develop the universe (which is my real interest in Nasuverse).

In a way, I would say that in KnK, Mahoyo, Tsukihime the characters serve the universe development, while FSN it is the contrary, the universe serve the characters development.

This premisse is even truer on FGO btw.

>>21911801
I don't get it

>>21912445
On the contrary, I think FGO is specifically for people who just want more Servants and more lore, regardless of how it's delivered.
What made Nasu works good was always the characters and the atmosphere, not the fucking lore or the world. Characters and atmosphere are the most important aspect in Mahoyo, FSN, Tsukihime, and KnK, and that's why they're great.
Now I do think Mahoyo those both of those aspects better than FSN (Tsukihime and KnK also have better atmosphere) but I still favor FSN just a bit since it feels so complete.
All of these 4 works are some of my favorites ever though so it's kinda pointless to decide which one is my favorite.

https://nyaa.si/view/1169181

>>21912355
FSN is more than just waifus. I guess you're the target audience of FGO.

>>21912626
I don't know if you know this anon, but you can have female characters be your faves without them being your waifu.

And if you disagree, maybe stop letting anime rot your brain.

>>21912358
It's passable. And very polished, as expected of Ufo.
But it's nowhere near the KnK adaptation. Which is sad because I love HF.

>>21912549
I don't disagree that characters have a big value, they are good, I was not against that in what I said.

But I don't understand why someone would say that the lore and the world was less relevant. Are you sure you're not someone who just prefer characters over world? I myself prefer to study rules and how things and systems works on Nasuverse. The characters were always secondary to me.

>>21912549
Also, FGO might be true for lore on part 2, because it seems to be .Notes remake, but part 1 is character centred and there is no contention here. NOTHING is actually developed universe wise on part 1.

>>21912177
Not him but if I remember correctly, Mashu's seiyuu went "I watched heavens feel recently, and I feel really stupid that I've been saying that I like sakura for a long time now, without even knowing what her character was about." on the f/go radio.

>>21912881
Wow, at least she recognizes that she's a retarded secondary.
Fuck FGO.

>>21912881
Jesus christ.

>>21912881
Well yeah, FGOtards don't care about FSN and TM in general.

>>21912938
Right in Chaldea Radio, Tanaka Minami (and sometimes other guests that have been Fatefags for a long time like Okubo Rumi, Nobu, Furukawa Makoto,... too) tells her a lot about FGO as well as other Fate works. Takahashi Rie outright said she had never read/watched/played any Typemoon works before. She only started playing FGO (which is also her first experience with Fate/TM) after becoming Mashu's seiyuu. Now she can talk and discuss FGO & Fate franchise smoothly anyway. There's already a huge difference between her special messages in FGO 1st Memorial book (released after Solomon) and in FGO Fes this year.

>>21912881
Have any source? I want to analyze her intonation if possible. I can't believe she said this with a negative perspective.

>>21912999
I caught it on some shitty aggregator site, but a bit of google-fu got me some jp anons talking about it.

https://demonition.com/blog-entry-41628.html

「桜ルートの事を何も知らずにFate好きとか駄目な気がする…
今までHFの事を何も知らずにFateだFateだ~言ってて馬鹿みたい！
私、桜の事を何も知らなかった！」
って高橋さんが叫んでた

post was made on 2019/01/27, so you can probably check radio episodes from around that time, they're all on youtube as far as I'm aware.

>>21913110
"I think it's pretty bad to go on about how much one loves fate without knowing anything about the sakura route.
Until now I didn't know anything about heavens feel, and I feel stupid for going "fate! it's fate~" constantly! I didn't know anything about Sakura at all!"

If somebody wants to tell me this tl is biased go right ahead, even if she isn't talking about all of fate, which I can't tell without finding the episode, she's at the very least talking about UBW anime viewers.

>>21913155
Not that anon but since i just found this after doing a quick search on twitter, could you translate it too? It is about Takahashi Rie's opinion on Sakura after watching HF eventhough she has never read her route before
https://twitter.com/slot_kantakun/status/1152948890036867072

>>21913186
that's the same quote actually, which proves it's real

>all those years
>still no Arhur and his 13th Knights together doing badass thing
When did the chuuni industry drop the "just have cool shit" for retarded and most of the time useless "lore" and "worldbuilding"?

>>21913365
all the lore nasu has introduced with and since f/sn is giant clusterfuck that pretty much prevents him from actually telling many stories set in the past, because he'd have to come up with excuses for fucking everything. This is why he loves his alternate timeline shit, allows him to write a sequel of something without having to actually continue the first game.

with the servant system he can always hide behind various factors that allow him to do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>21913365
>still no Altria and her 13th Knights together doing dumbass things
FTFY

>>21913491
> This is why he loves his alternate timeline shit, allows him to write a sequel of something without having to actually continue the first game.

Funny because that reminds of Capcom and their multiple century jumps to make new Rockman games and never linking them.

>>21913493
I will cut you

>>21914228
Do it, queer.

>>21912751
Why even bother? The only point of the rules is for them to be broken. Every single time Nasu spends more than a couple lines explaining something you can already guess that it's going to get exceptioned sooner or later. The anon you replied to is 100% right about characters and atmosphere being the highlights of Nasu's works. When you take that out (FGO, most modern fate/shit, Canaan as moderate example with merely inconsistent characters/atmosphere) they tend to fall apart.

I sure hope the other Case Files novels get an adaptation of some way. They have great material in them.

>>21915793
Oh that, well I wasn't factoring in FGO when I said it was good. Or if you prefer, the premisse of Nasuverse was my likeable fact.

I actually understand and agree then, although I would agree more with the atmosphere as the characters kinda are affected in the same manner, imo.

>>21915920
And not too long after I post this, fucking Zepia shows up in the 6th book.

>>21916171
Yes anon we've known this, he shows up in the covers of 6 and 7 and they're literally called "The Atlast Contract" lol
I envy that you're able to read them though, and so unspoiled. Have fun.

>>21916180
I feel like a tard for not realizing that was him on the cover.

>>21916180
That white suit is kino.
I hope he gets to use it on the anime.

>>21916180
Is that Reines? Why the outfit change?

>>21916638
Why not? Waver and Gray are always changing.

So, I want to ask all Typemoon loremaster anon here and check some questions with me.

1- It is stated that Zelretch can observe different timelines and that when he does it, said timeline becomes the true one.
2- There is a source on complete material where Nasu says that the three routes on Stay Night are still parallel because Zelretch has yet to observe one of them.
2.1 - Nasu also said that Zelretch did not observe yet because he don't want to choose one as the true one.
3 - Therefore, wouldn't FGO, which is said to account each player as one possible timeline, something out of the Zelretch's radar and that he has the power to solve everything if he happened to know FGO issues?

>>21916876
*2.1 Because Nasu doesn't want to choose the true one.

>>>/vg/263214901

>>21916916
fucking hell

>>21916876
>1- It is stated that Zelretch can observe different timelines and that when he does it, said timeline becomes the true one.
More like it's the observer effect, if he observes a timeline she changes, if there is changes it proves she exists.

>>21916638
Every character has different outfit for every case (except for Reines and Olga in Grand Roll case, Reines's is her usual outfit while Olga's is the one she used in Rail Zeppelin case)

It is official.

HF2 has less nipples than Kara no Kiyoukai.

>>21917246
There's been a camrip for like 8 months, anon.
Thankfully Sakura's tits still look great.

>>21917251
You really think I would make this post with a shitty quality with weird angulation camrip video.

You anon deserve better.

>>21916916
I've never seen something funnier than vgfags seething after you call them out for liking the objective worst thing Nasu has ever made

>>21917251
BD's can change shit with movies.

It has been over a decade since TM has released anything with bonafide nipples.

>>21917362
Why does that matter to you? Nearly all of the official sexual content from TM used to be pure shit.

>>21917371
Because I like fanservice when it is built up or existed prior.
That shit is my drug. And it makespeople take notice.

>>21917371
To me, it is just that it is proof that Nasu wants to stop with H which contracdicts with FGO and make me laugh at his mushroom face for letting this happen in the first place.

>>21916916
Is /fgog/ really always this bad? I checked the thread for the first time and wanted to vomit.

>>21917436
It's been pretty heavy on /v/-tier shitposting since 2016 or so, yeah.
When the game first started it used to be genuine TM fans, but then FGO dickriders started showing up as people started hyping the story, and when the NA version released it got more attention from shitposters than ever.
I'm just glad to have a general here where I don't have to interact with unironic FGOfags.

>>21917465
Interestingly enough, 2016 was when things started to be problematic, I believe it was when Tsukihime Remake was put for sure as something secondary (prior to that, there was a predetermined point where things would "happen at the same time")

Makes me want to make a correlation with that new wave of idiots pushing TM to keep making bullshit.

>>21917465
Yeah, same. I enjoy conversation here much more than on /a/ or /v/. /a/ being kind of bad and /v/ being cancerous,

>>21917499
/vg/ contains the vast majority of TM discussion, how /a/ and /v/ talk about it stems from the two generals.

>>21917504
Yeah I figured that was the case. Granted i've rarely gone on /v/ at all, and it's been a while since i was on /a/

>>21916916
what the hell? I don't understand how they can be so negative about it, KNK is really good

>>21917499
in /a/ with the exception of yesterday's thread with the heaven's feel release and some rare cases like isekai shinji, any thread can turn into a complete mess when a very few very autistic rinfags start spamming w*rmslut, and sakurafags (and also non sakurafags that are tired of that guy) take the bait (I am a sakurafag but I am not going to ignore the fact that if people just ignored that/those autist(s) he/they would stop shitposting or at the very least shitpost way less).
And /v/ doesn't need any introduction, it is probably the shittiest board and it's filled with FGOtertiaries

>>21917940
>implying wormslut is just one guy

>>21917940
The HF thread yesterday was pretty bad for a while with the anons screeching like monkeys over a stupid test? Not sure what it was

>>21917955
Of course its not one.
However I don't want to think the ones that are super dedicated and shitposts like that are more than two-three guys. I don't really think most rinfags are like that.
What I am not reffering is not about an innocent wormslut shitpost. Is to shitposting non stop and ruining entire fate threads that most of the time aren't even about sakura (with the help of anons replying him back instead of just ignoring him of course).
For example in sakurafags case the most toxic one is the canon route guy. It might be more than one guy, but I don't think it is more than three people.
The rinfag(s) I am talking about are the one(s) that is/are super autistic about popularity polls, for example. Said anon(s) also like to use /v/ buzzwords like cope a lot.
>>21917982
Fuck I forgot about that. The final part of the thread was nice so I forgot how shitty the first part was.

I mean, to be completely fair we also spend most of our time complainign instead of actually discussing shit.

What are the best subs for presage flower?

>>21918013
I downloaded the [Rin] subs and they were good as far as I remember.
No idea for the new movie though.

>>21917362
Technically I think that is inaccurate. There is official artwork of Prisma Illya by Hiroshi with some nipples.

>>21918007
My only purpose in this fandom is to endlessly mock Takeuchi.

>>21918006
I think I know what Rinfag you are talking about. He shitposted a lot in a Saber thread in /a/ some weeks ago and started calling saberfags telling him to fuck off wormfags.

Takeuchi please stop with the body horror

>>21918415
how can someone fuck up drawing calf muscles so badly?
he forgot half of the leg

>>21918415
The only thing he learned about anatomy aince 2000 is how long arma should be, it's amazing.
Maybe he actually drew stuff instead of nist tracing over his own drawings things would be better.

>>21918007
Being fair, most things that could be discussed already have been discussed several years ago. There's only so much ypu can keep on discussing the same sbit endlessy.
Most new people go to /vg/ and /a/, and most new TM content is fgo.

TM pussied out again and made the playable version titoria again.

Unless the remaining summer chapters reveal this was always the case and she's just been LARPing, they brought lion king back, put her into a bunny outfit for a comedy event, only for the playable version to just be titoria again, meaning they could have just made it titoria from the start and actually develop her character in the event without raping the lion king.

I don't know what their fucking problem is

>>21918543
>problem
Making like, a billion dollars a year in profit is not a problem.
What you're seeing is the work needed to make those profits.
The prople who actuall burn tons of money on this crap don't want lore or consistent characterizations.
They want cute waifus that are for (you).

Give me C-Hisui tips please.

>>21918543
>Swimsuit Lion King. The meaning behind this name is threefold. Firstly, the one who reigns over Casino Camelot, the apex among the Casinos dominating dazzling Las Vegas. Secondly, the patron of the battle royale match of the Swimsuit Swordmasters — the Swimsuit Swordmasters Seven-coloured Showdown; who watches over the swimsuit swordmasters competing with swimsuits and blades for a single summer’s memory. Thirdly, Lancer Artoria who changed into Summer Attire.

>As the saying goes, this is an entirely different individual from the ‘Lion King’ from the Sixth Singularity. Thus, please pay attention.
The one in the story is just Lancer Artoria

>>21918793
All Artoria are Artoria.

I don't even think that explanation changes anything at all, real issues considered.

>>21918793
that means they fucked up the eye colour.

>>21918914
Although I am not expressing it, I am laughing really hard.

Not only because it is funny, but because it might actually be true.

>>21918912
Basically in the summer event story, the "Lion King" is just Lancer Artoria but calls herself Lion King

>>21918733
use duster

ask #serious-discussion in the meltycord, you should get answers relatively fast

https://discordapp.com/invite/33cskPv if you aren't in it

>>21917465
>2016
I've browsed /fgog/ since 2015 and things only started to get bad last year. What caused the migration from /v/ was the NA server. They were introduced to Fate through FGO NA, but that server is even more jewish than regular FGO, so they moved to JP.

>>21919044
Yeah no, this is bullshit that /fgog/fags like to tell themselves to blame everything on NA.
I was there on launch day in 2015, I played the game until mid 2016 at first, and the noticeable decline was in that year. By 2017 (even before NA launched) the general had been degraded into a total shithole, obsessed over namefags, shitty cancerous memes, and unironically praising FGO for its story. What you see now isn't that much worse than it was before NA.

>>21919085
Mid/late 2016 onwards was when people started praising the story because that's when the story wasn't dogshit anymore. Also, it was always like 5 people who obcessed over namefags, most of the posts were samefagging.

So let's talk about us now, when did you click with FGO as something harmful?

To me, it was when they made moon cancer as a class.