/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>21876667
no, now get out

oh wow, it's Touhou is reclining thread #3354!

>>21876667
not at all, back to /v/ with you

>>21876691
>>21876692
im not from /v/, and im asking a serious question. Just look at the lack of art being made for this game from japan, theyre all addicts for other shit like FGO and granblue and other gachashits

>>21876667
no, but you probably are

What's up with all this touhou spam lately?

>>21876706
ZUN doesn't need popularity to survive

>>21876719
new game came out

>>21876719
this is a touhou board

>>21876743
Can you guys keep it to one thread please?

>>21876706
if you're seriously basing popularity of a series against FGO, literally everything is a dead series in comparison. looking at twitch viewer numbers might be more up your alley

>>21876752
No now piss off

>>21876752
keep your 3dpd in one thread
keep your corporate virtual youtubers in one thread (and don't create a new one unless it archives for real)
keep your JAV threads in one thread (or even better, go to /gif/ or /hc/ )

>>21876752
Get the fuck back into your containment general.

>>21876746
What are you talking about? This is the idol and JAV board.

>>21876803
the Vtubers are actually not bad from what ive seen. They at least follow the virtue of one thread for their shit until bump limit. Its the other ones that dont follow through

>>21876816
oh yeah im sorry, i forgot i was on /b/

>>21876752
no fuck off with your 38493849 idolshit threads
ZUN is right about calling out idolfags in the newest game.

>>21876752
no

I just want more touhou content. The fanbase is losing more and more people sadly

anon, muster up some doujin spirit and become yourself the content creator you dearly miss in your heart

>>21876808
The hell, I had no idea this manga had an anime adaption. I bought the first volume for the hell of it at a used bookstore a long time ago and enjoyed it.

>>21876916
I fucking suck with art unfortunately. I cant draw for shit even though im an amateur.

>>21876706
>im not from /v/
Doubt
>Just look at the lack of art being made for this game from japan
We're not even a week past release you moron

>>21876706
ZUN doesn't care what people think, he makes games because he enjoys them. Nothing about this game indicated some sort of closing point for the series (in fact it even started a new arc) so it's clear that he has no intentions of ending anything right now.

>>21876918
I really liked it. Some stories were not that good but the characters changing over the course of the anime was really nice.
Also Natsuki.

Can't compare it with the Manga but I'll probably rectify that soon.

>>21876987
and I agree. The new game does make me feel happy since A)It does have a batch of mostly memorable themes and designs, B)It hits pretty close to home with the UFO mechanics, weather you like them or not, and C)Having youmu as a playable character is always nice. Just a shame the fanbase isnt staying as large as it once was

>>21876752
Imagine an invading crossboarder telling the Touhou board to keep Touhou in one thread. It's almost comical.

>>21876987
Touhou probably won't have a logical end, ZUN's ideas will probably just dry up one day and that'll be it

>>21876667

>>21876706
Reminder than in Pixiv, you have to add
Fate + Kancolle + Pokemon + Azur Lane + GFL + VTuber + Imas + Love-Live fanart numbers in order to barely beat Touhou's fanart numbers without r-18.

>>21877430
remove the second layers of words and then this meme will be funny

>>21876667
whatever spell zun cast on me years ago that made me enjoy the music and newhus wore off and now it all looks and sounds like garbage

i think my iq has dropped beneath the threshold to be able to appreciate zun's genius

>>21877430
oh wow it's like I'm back in 2010 /b/ haha

>>21877430
XD funnee twitter meme

>>21877475

>>21877535
good job

>>21877535
Haha, Keiki mom said nigger! Awesome!

>>21877535
MRS OKINA GET DOWN

>>21877711
Taishi-sama's horse would never say that to Okina you shitposter.

>>21877711
Go back and take your Twitter memes with you

>>21877790
God I'm such a secondary trash...
*masturbates furiously to flandre doujins*

>>21877484
You have just been subjected to overexposure. Give it a break for a couple years and you'll appreciate it again.

>>21877830
not him, but you sure? I stopped giving a fuck about new Touhous in 2013, recently I took another look at the series but I still can't accept anything released after 12.8.

Yes, since UFO. Next question please.

>>21877405
ZUN seems like the kind of guy where he will raise his kid to take on the mantle of Shanghai Alice or something corny like that.

>>21876706
It has been like this since the very beginning.
Artworks doesn't just explode within days after the characters' reveal. There might be some exception like Shion but I'm sure this is not the norm. Even EoSD, PCB and IN cast took time to be what they are today.
I'm afraid the sheer number build up for years and your desire for more content give you the illusion that popularity happen within seconds and twisted your logic.

>>21878456
There are plenty more threads that deserve this. This thread is trying to give an estimate on how this franchise is at the moment.

>>21876706
Also some Japanese artists doesn't post their shit until the game is out on Steam. Just like the demo. Something about avoiding spoilers

>>21878463
>This thread is trying to give an estimate on how this franchise is at the moment.
Do we really need a million "Touhou is reclining" threads? Who keeps hammering this question besides newfags anyway?

>>21878666
>million
We hadn't had those in a while

>>21878549
>>21876706
yeah like a month after touhou 17's demo came out EVERY artist started drawing the chicken. sure it's the same again.

>>21876667
People leave as they realize that the non-human characters are nothing but mass murderers and subjugators of humanity and that Reimu is willing to murder any human that gets in their way

>>21876752
Seriously, why are people complaining about touhou ‘spamming’? Waifu posters spam as many as they like and nobody argues about it.
But when we get some real topics, they ask us to stop...

Is /jp/ declining?

>>21876667
no

>>21879448
yes

>>21879448
it's more like a free fall

>>21879448
It can't decline if it's always been shitty

Is this the typical milennial thread?
"I want EVERYTHING at the BEST quality RIGHT NOW and if it's not here, then shit's unpopular and it's time to JUMP ship."

>>21880710
Who are you quoting?

>>21880710
>milennial
I don't think this word means what you think it means. It's spelled millennial either way.

>>21876667

>>21881137
Fucking crossboarders stop posting pictures from sites that stole out shit, the quality gets worse every time you fuckers repost stoles shit that was made here

>>21876667
I'm worried the most about his liver

>>21881137
agree and disagree. There are times where I believe its true, and times where 2hu just feels like a drop in the bucket to others. The amount of new video content is slowly dying for this franchise sadly

>>21880710
If you mean by that, go to the JAV and Vtuber threads, those fit those bills

>>21883634
For everything really, it isn't just Touhou. I thought all these content creators would go to another series but we're not seeing much from other series.

w-what will we do when touhou dies? I don't want it to be over

>>21879448
4chan as a whole is, the entire internet seems to have gone in a free fall ever since smartphones became common but it's like this site was particularly hurt by them.
And yet I feel like it's going to get even worse next year thanks to new elections and normalfags parroting their hilarious olympics doomposting.

>>21884250
sadly that is all true, and im gonna hate all these tourists going to here to bother about the olympics. we are heading to a darker time once more

>>21883814
Touhou has to be one of the most stagnant franchies in existence. It does less to innovate and has less effort put into it than Pokemon. I kind of am beginning to feel this way about weeb media in general. It's the same thing repackaged year after year. Actually, is there really any medium left that does anything new? Maybe I'm just getting old.

>>21884514
Bait

>>21884514
You're just reaching that point in life where you can't enjoy a certain medium anymore.

>>21884601
not intended to be

I am eagerly awaiting the day I finally lose interest in imageboards so nobody has to listen to me bitch and moan any longer

>>21884514
Touhou is a formulaic shmup series since the beginning. What do you expect? For ZUN to make a 2hu platformer?

>>21884851
I'd like a 2hu platformer lowkey even when we have several ones

>>21876706
>lack of art being made
Like I could give two shits about trend-hopping artists. The artists I follow have continued to draw Touhou for years, for whatever reason.

Oldhus and newhus are all very cute. I don't get what's not to like. But new fans are going to be few and far between simply because touhou is an arcade style PC game. It will never blow up again unless ZUN sells out and makes a shitty gacha mobage.

>>21884922
>shitty gacha mobage
Are there good gacha mobages?

>>21885092
id say girls frontline is a good mobage since it isnt that taxing on the player and doesnt have much for whales

>>21884922
Pretty sure lil Japanese children know Touhou more than any gacha, though.

>>21884514
2hu is made only by one person 90% of the time. Nowhere near comparable to Pokemon.
Not to mention even if it doesn't always work, we get stuff like photography games, flying fighting games,GFW, ISB, etc.

>>21884250
I just went into the Japanese thread out of curiosity because they keep changing the thread title and evading my filter, and I can't believe I share a website with these people, never mind a board. Here's hoping 4chan gets deplatformed by Cloudflare soon.

>>21885338
you think thats bad just go to any thread that begins with a wojak in its OP. brings in so many dumbasses/underages

>>21884886
It's because this is all your dream and what you see is only what you subconsciously want to see. But you need to wake up now, your family is worried about you.

>>21877857
That just means you're at that period of life where nothing stands out or leaves an impression on you.

>>21876667
ZUN is going to make games until he runs out of ideas for gameplay gimmicks or until his liver fails.

>>21876752
You fucking imbecile. You disgusting fucking invader. Do you even understand board culture? Do you even know what /jp/ is? Do you have any fucking clue how this site formerly worked? We did not post in "generals" as if we were on a forum or some gay shit. This is an image board, a naturally fast-moving entity where multiple threads about similar topics not only can and will, but SHOULD be posted without regard to regiments, structure, or ratio of threads of a certain type. Touhou is not "spammed", this is how image boards work. You dare to come here and tell US not to post too much of the very thing the board was created to house? This was created as a solution for people who liked making many threads to joke about touhou characters and whom /a/, the tasteless fags, had started to complain about. You're an insult to this site simply by existing, leave and never, ever return. I don't even want to see you in hell, so please find another afterlife.

>>21885972
If only it was possible to have discussions about "niche Japanese interests" outside of generals without getting flooded off the board by all the 2hu imagedumps and idolshit.

>>21879448
It's pronounced "reclining" you cretin
and yes, //jp/ has been in free fall right from the beginning

>>21886139
You could try another website, might have more luck.

>>21885838
no, it's not me.
recently I was absolutely in love with some lesser known NIS titles for example. But ZUN isn't trying anymore. There's a certain magic to the 6-12hus that it's hard for me to pin down, but can't be denied.

>>21881330
>the quality gets worse every time you fuckers repost stoles shit that was made here
JPEG was a mistake. We urgently need an image format with lossy initial compression but lossless recompression.

>>21876921
so did ZUN and r07 when they first started, thats no excuse. all you need is a good idea and passion anon

>>21876706
you people who give a shit about the raw pixiv numbers or whoever is top dog at comiket are from /v/ or /a/ for sure. touhou has held very steady at comiket and reitaisai is still going strong so its not falling at all

>>21885338
the threads that have homes on other boards but still post here like djt or monstergirl are magnets that pull crossies in. VTuber does too but as much as i hate them i cant see a way to say they're not otaku culture. this site would need a youtube or eceleb board

>>21887668
>NIS
If it's anything other than ZHP then you need to get out.

>>21887668
so just because you don't like it, ZUN "isn't trying"? fuck off with that mindset. your tastes changed. people lose interest in hobbies all the time.

>>21887668
ZUN hasn't trying anymore since MoF. Parsee, Yuugi, Okuu, entire UFO cast sans Kogasa and Byakuren, are forced abominations.
Hell, I think Eirin and Shikieiki are ugly because of shit color scheme. EoSD and PCB are truly the only games with good cast design overall.

>>21887798
>EoSD and PCB are truly the only games with good cast design overall.
There was really no better way of rounding things off than highlighting that you have the shittiest taste imaginable.
Here, have two "forced abominations".

>>21887857
Ugh, a sailor and weird wings. It has strayed way off from EoSD/PCB design and aesthetics that are simple yet memorable.

>>21888278
they're only memorable because of all the fanart and media
if eosd and pcb came out now, you'd probably think they were too simplistic and dull

>>21888278
Oh please don't tell me that three fairies, Meido DIO, chink gatekeeper and vampire lolis are really original and memorable and not incredibly generic. Thank god (lmao) that EoSD was peak 2hu popularity.
But yeah, tell me how this is an abomination and an horrible mistake compared to a dork swordswoman.

>>21888336
Parsee is overdesigned shit. That dress is horrible.

>>21888278
>simple yet memorable
Murasa has a very simple design

I'm peaking

>>21888305
>if eosd and pcb came out now, you'd probably think they were too simplistic and dull
Now that I think about it, you're right.
Sakuya is just a plain maid. Rumia is also too plain.
Letty and Prismrivers are forgettable, and Yukari PCB dress is the plainest thing for the so-called Phantasm boss. It's just a fucking plain purple dress with some ribbons, a huge step down from Yuyuko and Ran.
So what does it mean? That Touhou has design has always been hit or miss? I always say has ZUN lost his touch since earlier games but then again Yuuka and Raiko has similiar basic design concept with different look. Same with IN Yukari and Junko, Chen and Kyoko/Yoshika, Sanae and Futo, Nitori and Mamizou, Yuyuko and Shinmyoumaru, Suika and Seija, Tewi and Seiran, Sagume and moonbitches, Wriggle and Aunn, Medicine and Mai/Satono, Iku and Eika, Yuugi and Yachie, etc. You can switch both the first three stages bosses of IN and DDC with each other along with slight plot modification and they will fit right in, or IN with LoLK.
Does that mean that Touhou has always been shit since the beginning because basically there are similiarities between new and old design? That almost each game also has design freak like Flandre, Suwako, Satori, Nue, Miko, Clownpiece, etc? Is "earlier is better" just an illusion because Eirin "half blue-half red nurse with granny braid" and Eiki "Kenshiro design with dumbest hat and unmatching green hair" exist? I'm fucking confused.

>>21888922
design works man. ZUN can make a memorable design like with some, or just completely miss when it comes to others. Its a testament to his work in a way if a character is able to be fondly remembered like with youmu or koishi, or severly forgotten like ben ben and ringo

>>21876803
this would unironically revive /jp/ desu

>>21888278
What do you mean "memorable"? Every single EoSD design is generic as fuck, maybe Flandre being the exception because of her colorful wings.

The good thing is that he picked up originality since then.

>>21888922
you have to look at culture in its proper context. back when touhou picked up in popularity in the west, a universe filled with fairies, vampires, various ghosts and nature spirits that sort of blended eastern and western mythology ranked pretty high on the novelty and whacky scale. it's just that since then even mainstream art has gotten a lot weirder.
I mean, fuck, do you think something like Azumanga Daioh or Rozen Maiden could achieve any kind of memetic popularity if it were released today? Even if it were well animated?

>>21876803
God fucking this, the monster girl posters tend to stick to one thread why can't these twats do so?

>>21889127
because theres too many fucking idols or someshit.

>>21888278
EoSDfags are just the fucking worst sometimes.

>>21888922
i don't think hit or miss designs make touhou shit, there's always going to be story, music and gameplay to make up for it.
at least theres a hu for everyones taste.

>>21876667
>>21876706
You'd been saying this since TD.
Meanwhile touhout has been breeding a new fucking generation of fans.

i'm 99% sure touhou will end on 20th game.

>>21889337
*since SA

>>21889337
Touhou is not as popular as it used to be

>>21888922
I'm convinced complaint about the new designs are actually complaints about the color palette in the modern games.
The saturation is way too high and it uses too many primary colors. The old washed out watercolor/oekaki look is what made the pre-MoF characters special.

>>21889649
not as popular but still relevant

>>21884250
>new elections and normalfags parroting their hilarious olympics doomposting.
Fuck this is just going to be bad. The countless spam of
>Japan is DOOMED, Censorship!!!!!
>Mah elections!!!
I can only hope after this shit ends normalfags go back. There is good news kind of. I did look into analytics and apparently the sites Normalfag base is 1/3rd the size it was a few years back.
>>21885338
Anon let me tell you. It's far worse in other boards. Imagine
>Catchphrases all over the place (tranny, dilate, have sex)
>Upvote downvote(cringe and based)
>Threads about stupid people's opinions on social media.
>Thinly vieled political threads that turn into /pol/.
>Wojak and Pepe in various forms
It's peak Normalfag and I hate it.

>>21890194
its literally why I like /jp/: this cancer is not here

>>21890203
And mods actually DO their job. Especially on /vr/ and /bant/ . It's sad that /g/ and /v/ have devolved into brand worship as well as the issues I mentioned above. But I am glad to have this as my main board. It's a safe Haven.

>>21890231
Is /bant/ actually good? I dislike that board for its first few months

>>21890237
Best way to describe it is that it's a decent board to go to once in awhile and it tries to be funny and not take itself seriously.

>>21876667
The official stuff? I don't know, ZUN said he would continue to make games as long as he finds it fun to do so. But with all the stories of ZUN admitting to rushing things, him saying he felt lonely during WBaWC crunch time and the general quality of the games (amount of bugs/generic and uncreative danmaku), it seems he's beginning to run out of steam. Of course I hope that's not the case but I think it's likely that he'll retire from making games after releasing Touhou 20. He'll probably still be writing manga/books and releasing his own music CDs for a while after that though.

As for the fandom, it's true that doujin attendance has been steadily declining for years now but fan art production is as high as ever. The Western fandom has boomed with many new fans over the last 5 years and apparently Touhou is really popular with school-aged kids in Japan. If ZUN really does stop making games in 5~8 years then I'm pretty sure there'll still be a good amount of content for at least 10 years after that point.

>>21890437
I hope ZUN at least takes more time in-between planning each game, I think it'll improve the quality plus he'll have more time to actually relax and take care of his kids. I don't mind waiting longer than we already do for new material.

>>21876667
Fanwork,
which is better than ZUN's original work by a factor of at least a million, is nowhere near dead on Pixiv.

ZUN was a great inspirer of better work like Rumiko Takahashi was to Atsuko Nakajima.

>>21890530
Almost no fanworks can match ZUN's penchant for crafting dreamy fantasy atmosphere. ZUN's Gensokyo is never grimdark but never saccharine either, and his habit for intentionally being vague lends it a great sense of fantastical mysticism few fanworks even attempt, even the serious ones. Reading his print works is always quite fun.

>>21889625
Nah he's right. 2009 with UFO, soku and bad apple was the summit of touhou popularity.

>>21887798
>Yuugi
>Abomination
Well, yeah she isn't supposed to be pretty.

>>21891319
I think you've misinterpreted my post's intent. People have been saying the franchise is finished far before TD despite it not being the case.

>>21890437
I don't know if I see him quitting games soon, but if he's having to crunch for his own shit he should probably stop trying to aim for yearly releases

>>21890437
>As for the fandom, it's true that doujin attendance has been steadily declining for years now
It's been fairly steady for a while now. We'll never see MoF peak again but the fan response is far from dying. Day 4 was the most populous day at Comiket due in no small part to Touhou.

Plus it seems to be very popular with teenage girls so there will be more coming

>>21876667
No it's not.
But her stage and fight theme are making me think things.

>>21893715
what are you implying

>>21895829
You tell me

>>21876921
neither can ZUN, just make fun content

>>21876667
"Wait, what do you mean fandoms gradually decline and then plateau off after hitting their peak?? I thought it was supposed to keep snowballing forever WTF this is bullshit!"
There's still new Touhou fancontent being produced every single day, which is a LOT more than I can say for most other fanbases I've been a part of. So long as new canon content (and by extension, new characters) are being made, diehards will stay attached.
If fair-weathered fans decide to move onto stuff like Kancolle (remember when THAT was supposed to be "the Touhou killer"?), Azur Lane, FGO, or whatever FOTM, that's their prerogative and I'm fine with it. Being the new hotness for too long is how you get an insufferable fanbase like post-anime Jojo. Touhou was never quite at GUYS IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE levels, but boy am I glad that I can walk 2 steps without hearing UN Owen any more.

Kuso thread OP, I upvoted. P.S. Reimu will never be in Smash Bros, sorry to disappoint.

>>21903673
good. fuck reimu in smash. Smash is fun but I dont want that fanbase anywhere near them

>>21903673
Who are you quoting?

>>21903732
I bet 100% /v/, or he wrote this shit on his own

>>21876667
Quite the opposite, really. I don't think I've seen people this excited over a release in a while. I honestly think that 17 is going to usher in and bring back new fans and old ones as well.

>>21890194
>here is good news kind of. I did look into analytics and apparently the sites Normalfag base is 1/3rd the size it was a few years back.
The problem is that that'll likely shoot back up as the election nears - give it 6/8 months. I'm still a bit hopeful that it won't be nearly as bad, and that Hiro won't start his own doomposting bullshit again ('buy passes!' 'costs are too high, we need ads!', saying stupid shit and then disappearing for hours/days and letting us go wild with speculation) but we won't know until then, I guess.

>>21903673
>Reimu will never be in Smash Bros
That's a good thing

>>21887668
>shikieiki
entire post discarded
fucking kill yourself

>>21906792
What are you talking about? new game is shit and so are all the newhus.
ZUN can't keep introducing characters for the sake of it and then have people take care of them while he moves on.

>>21890437
>Touhou is really popular with school-aged kids in Japan
>>21893326
>Plus it seems to be very popular with teenage girls so there will be more coming
Not that I'm questioning it, but where's this coming from? Especially the school-aged kids thing?

>>21907312
But that's how touhou is from the begining. Some of the new characters will certainly appear in future printworks.

>>21907461
It reached a point where there's just too many irrelevant characters.
You can't continue like this forever, people are starting to realise it's pointless to care about the characters.

>>21907479
Every 2hu girl has its fans, and, as we've already seen, each game has its characters who continue forward. If you haven't noticed, the fandom stuff - doujins (h and not h), music, novels, manga,etc - use different characters all the time. It's the benefit of having so many characters, not a detriment. Obviously not every character can have story necessity, but that's fine.

>>21907513
>having so many characters
>not a detriment
Maybe back when we only had like 5 games to pick from, but now it's starting to become tiring and not everyone is gonna pick a new character with 2 lines and draw an entire backstory doujin for her when we have so many many characters with established personalities and relevance for the world of gensokyo.
Would it really hurt ZUN so much to re-use a character every now and then instead of lazily make another winged 2hu or junko copy?

>>21907513
>the fandom stuff - doujins (h and not h), music, novels, manga,etc - use different characters all the time
More like something like 50% of the cast gets 90% of the doujins.

It's kind of understandable that doujin artists will focus on making stories based on characters tied to Gensokyo's history, such as Reimu, Marisa, Byakuren, Miko, etc., rather than bringing up a forgottenhu.

While I agree that it would be great to re-use more of the existing characters, I also think that introducing new things is what keeps the series going.

New characters, themes, stories and locations... It's because of those that touhou is still relevant today, because there's something new every now and then.

And even a minor character like Eika will surely inspire a lot of doujin artists (for the best and for the worst of course).

>>21907344
There were a few articles a while ago talking about series that was popular among tweens and Touhou was one of them, but I can't recall where they were from.

>>21907344
https://twitter.com/NForza26/status/895179058933358594

>>21907704
>>21907712
Thanks

>>21907589
>More like something like 50% of the cast gets 90% of the doujins.
Sure, this is true, but that that other 50% exists at all separates Touhou from a lot of other comparably big series with tons of characters. There will almost undoubtedly be something out there for every character if you look hard enough; every 2hu likely has one person and/or one creator who loves them. At least from EoSD and beyond.

>>21907543
Reusing a character is objectively more lazy than creating a new one that a bunch of retard tertiary fans somehow manage to interpret as a Junko copy

Let's be honest here, TD killed touhou

>>21890437
I dunno. Didn't pretty much all the games have last minute crunch time and bugs? And even looking way back ZUN yoyos between thinking such-and-such Comiket might be his last, and then saying how much he loves doing doujin/indie releases. Also bear in mind that including the spinoffs he's released like seventeen games in the past seventeen years, not even counting Tasofro's fighting games. And then there's all the CDs on top of that. I'm not sure ZUN knows how to stop.

>>21910194
Let's be honest here, SoEW killed touhou

>>21910713
New Breakout clone when?

>>21887798
>"sans Kogasa and Byakuren"
sasuga

Everytime a new game comes out

>>21876667
Lol it was over after TD. A lot of idiots here shit on TD but the harsh reality is that it was the last good 2hu game. Basically all games before TD were good and all games after are unnecessary soulless junk.
Just let it go finally for fucks sake.

>>21909861
>Reusing a character is objectively more lazy
What's lazy about character development?

>>21911326

>>21887798

>>21876667
Yes, definitely オワコン
No matter how much the people here will deny it. But that's fine, I'd rather it be this way.

>>21911337
It would've been better if Touhou was a nostalgic cult classic of the past. Most gamedevs just don't know when to stop. Dragging it on forever and ever with new releases that only keep getting lamer and lamer does nothing good. It's the same with Zelda, Halo, SoulCalibur, Elder Scrolls etc etc. What happens is that the series that was once awesome is denied to end gloriously while it is still awesome and thus to reach godstatus. Instead it is kept and tortured more and more until it's only a shadow of itself, all the glory from the past long gone. It's a walking rotten corpse that even stains all the previous good games of the series. Why? Just stop. Have mercy.

>>21911360
Cowboy Bebop did it perfectly right. It ended just when it needed to end and will forever remain as a glorious cult classic. Amazing from beginning to end, fresh and with good energy and memories attached to it. Imagine how much shit and useless weight would be attached to it if they had made like 20 seasons more of Cowboy Bebop and it would still run today? It surely would fucking suck and ruin everything. Babymetal should have stopped too after all the shit happened to them and leave it at that. But they decided to keep going and just shit all over their name and all the good stuff they made in the past with the new garbage. It can't help but defile the good past too.

>>21911360
Game devs do what they want to do. My only problem with devs who keep dragging the corpse of their series are those who does so for money, fame, etc.
If ZUN's words are to believe, he will keep making games even if there's no fans because he just feel like it, creating music, danmaku pattern, lolis, etc. People may don't like what he has done to the series but it's his series so fuck it.

>>21911326
>soulless
If we needed any more proof /v/ should fuck off.

>>21911398
He can do what he want. But he isn't very good at it. Imho he should have let it be at the few lucky strikes he had with games like IN. But he just keeps challenging it and displaying his shittines and incompetence more and more and it gets tiresome. He could have gotten away with being based as hell if he stopped at MoF and earn himself the status of a legend. But yeah you are perfectly right of course, it's his thing and he can do what ever he wants.

>If ZUN's words are to believe, he will keep making games even if there's no fans because he just feel like it.
I don't really believe it tho. I bet is is mostly external pressure from various sources that motivates him to keep going and not so much internal "just because he himself likes it so much".

>>21911448
>with being based as hell
Based on what?

>>21911448
>based as hell
you didn't use "based" properly, it's supposed to be "based on something" rather than "based as something"

>>21876706
New designs are mediocre. Old designs still get shitloads of art and doujins. Reitaisai has more doujins than FGO does on Comiket.

>>21911448
>MoF
What an awful place to stop.
DDC and ISC were his last good games.

>>21911448
>He could have gotten away with being based as hell if he stopped at MoF
Nah, Sanae will always be shitty Reimu clone and Kanako is a shitty final boss. MoF is a shitty bugged game. Then again his previous games aren't that good to begin with, with exceptions of PCB and IN.
ZUN should've just made only those two games, but Mokou as IN final boss instead of ugly Eirin and Kaguya and omit either Ran or Yukari from PCB.
ZUN has always been mediocre and overrated.

>>21911448
Stop touting your opinions as facts. If you dislike the modern games that's fine, but it doesn't disvalue their existence to others.

>>21911557
Please keep the /v/ level dialogue on /v/.

>>21911557
based and redpilled
>>21911565
seething

>>21911565
ZUN has always been shitty because all the flaws of the newer games also exist on earlier games as well, so I called you out of your deluded "Touhou used to be good" shit.
Deal with it.

>>21911448
If he stopped at MoF the series wouldn't be as well known as it is today. He made plenty of value after that and so did fans. Appreciate the good that has come out of Touhou rather than dwelling on what you don't like. You'll find there's plenty to appreciate.

>>21911626
You haven't really offered any substantial reasoning as to why the games are flawed other than calling them shitty and not good. And a broken shottype isn't really game ruining, you can easily ignore it.

>>21911626
Touhou always sucked. This insight brought to you exclusively by /jp/. It'll probably remain exclusive to /jp/.

>>21911650
It's rather obvious when 90% of the touhou fanbase don't even play the games and appear to be severely mentally deranged. If the games were actually good to begin with, the communities would consist of at least somewhat intelligent people who actually play the games. Instead it's just "I wanna lick clownpieces asshole" and "I wanna Flan abandon me in the middle of Nevada desert". But that's what happens when a alcoholic lolifaggot creates a shitty franchise all about dumb lolis only. It attracts likeminded individuals.

The funniest thing is when you get a warning here on /jp/ "The quality of posts is extremely important..." holy shit, go warn those who want to violently choke a 2hu to death while raping her.

The funniest thing is that you're a shitty crossboarder who should go back.

>>21911685
>here on /jp/
you can just leave, nobody is trying to keep you here

>>21911685
It might also be due in part of shmups being a very niche genre with a reasonably high barrier to entry.

>>21911685
Oh my, you actually came here for good discussion. I'm sorry, your expectations must've been a little too high.

>>21911685
I want Flan to abandon /v/ermins in the middle of the Nevada desert

>>21911742
>But that's what happens when a alcoholic lolifaggot creates a shitty franchise all about dumb lolis only
If you consider stringing together a bunch of juvenile buzzwords "good discussion" I honestly have no idea what to tell you.

>>21911685
I'm from /v/ and only here because of the elona threads but they have a point. You should really go back instead of making us look worse since the shit you're accusing them of is probably from crossboarders like you.

>>21911754
You're right, I've been posting here for too long to remember.

>>21911472
It's nearly half of what it used to be 6 years ago.

>>21911685
Take it easy here on jay.

>>21876667
In a better question, why is her boss theme so fucking GODLIKE?

>>21911472
Give it like 5 years and the characters now will get doujins.
This shit takes time, doujin doesn't just manifest straight after release.

>>21911685
We had good discussion about WBaWC story recently and I'm sure there are meaningful discussion on gameplay threads.
But we are talking about otaku CULTURE board here so of course the discussion would be about the culture mostly i.e. memes, fandom, etc. (though I'm not fond of shallow 2hu imagedump and LARPing thread either).

Still, asking for entire board to be full of meaningful discussion about one series made by one drunk dude is absurd, and it's not just exclusive to Touhou.
Take any game series and make an entire board for it to see if all the threads will be about meaningful discussion. Is that even possible?

>>21912198
The beer was super delicious

>>21912216
>LARPing
You can't LARP online.

I always say newhus are shit but the nips actually keep making content about them so I always doubt my own opinion.

>>21912198
Stage 6 in general is great

>>21912351
Why? Your opinion will never be taken as anything close to objective fact, and just sounds stupid to let popularity determine how you feel about video game characters. If you don't like them, you don't like them.

>>21911448
>tho
You have to go back.

And there's no external pressure that can stand up to ZUN. He even told Sony to get the fuck bent when they tried to add voices to the characters in the PS4 post of ULiL.

>>21912656
People believe their opinion as fact all the time. Otherwise there wouldn't be doomposting and genwunners.

>>21888336
>swordswoman
trannies out
swordsman is a title, females aren't huwomans.

>>21911685
>this entire fucking post, after all of your other posts
Holy shit. You really have to go back

>>21912268
You're just not thinking creatively enough.

Stream yourself LARPing with others.

>>21915623
I'm the one who shit on earlier Touhou but that one post wasn't me.
I have good reasons.

>>21881137
>utsuho is a ZUN wtf! character

personally for me the post th13 derpface portraits make it hard for me to like the characters as much, unless they have memorable gameplay mechanics or just a heavy handed gimmick like clownpiece being or laser American that kills you for hours

>>21917004
Yeah, pre-th13 never had derpfaces
Literally never
Never ever

>>21916970
How new are you?

As someone that has enjoyed all aspects of the series on both a primary (high level scoring and survival) and secondary (fan doujins, music, games, etc) level, I think EoSD up to StB was peak gameplay, EoSD up SA was peak characters, EoSD up to UFO was peak music, and everything past that has been at least good and in some instances great. The only truly disappointing game to me has been Violet Detector. Everything else I've at least been able to enjoy on a casual level.

>>21918147
I always personally felt that ZUN didn't hit his stride in terms of gameplay until IN. While I dont really know how they hold up in the scoring department, EoSD and PCB are really slow paced and clunky when compared to MoF and onwards. The newer games feel much better to play. If I were to get into specifics though, I'd say the creativity of the bullet patterns and gimmicks stagnated around TD with a couple of notable exceptions rearing their heads in LoLK. It seems as if DS and GFW drained him of ideas.

>>21918197
>EoSD and PCB are really slow paced and clunky
EoSD and PCB control exactly the same as IN so I'm not sure why you consider them clunky. I absolutely love how the first three windows games feel to move around in, actually. By slow paced are you referring to stage progression? Early games had steadier difficulty ramps, with the early stages being very gentle. So survival wise I can kind of see that, especially compared to later games like SA or LoLK which have a much more aggressive stage 1.

>>21918302
Not him, but EoSD and PCB controls are definitely clunkier than IN.

>>21918302
I find that the characters move around slower and the response time to inputs feels off. And yeah, I think the early stages, especially in PCB, really drag on with not much interesting/challenging bullet pattern variants to warrant their length. I still enjoy the two games, but the modern era ones much easier for me to get into on a whim.

>>21918399
>>21918335
Playing with vpatch all of the early windows games feel identical to me. Input delay is unbearable without vpatch though.

why aren't you taking it easy jay