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Anyone wanna play soku?

WBaWC is only coming out on monday and it sucks.

>>21849330
This is not how you make gameplay thread.
Try again.

>>21849330
That's a misleading OP

>>21850033
Well there’s already a day -2 patch

>>21850033
I wanted to grind it during the weekend ;_;

>>21850100
I'm not aware, what do you mean?
>>21850156
Me too, shit blows maaaan.
What character and goast are you guys gonna roll with?

>>21850305
Youmoé

>>21850305
Marisa wolf probably, don't know what the difference is between the ghosts yet but that combination just sounds cool. I wonder if it's coming out monday on steam store says it's out in September

>>21850305
Reimu eagle

>>21850305
Otter run first and work it up

Is it normal to feel very uncomfortable playing and dodging spells on a laptop after being used to an actual monitor and keyboard?

>>21850305
Gonna play through all of them then try to LNBNR on Reimu Wolf.

Have you gotten all the WBaWC demo achievements yet?

>>21856408
I have the Lunatic No Miss one which is pretty much the only one that matters.
Might be too hard to get in the full game though. We'll see how it goes.

Who would you say is the easiest player character to 1CC Normal in each game?

>>21858107
Reimu. You don't need to speedkill on Normal and the homing shots make it so you can focus on surviving rather than doing damage.

>every stage is streaming
yawn

Keiki's second last spell is ISC levels of tight. What the fuck.

Well that was okay I guess. Definitely don't want to do it again though, time go go back to IN.

Thanks for putting red and purple bullets on red background in stage 4 ZUN, really make it easy to see them on top of my red and purple shots

Got Saki down to her second-to-last card on my first attempt at Extra. The fact that she spits out five spirits after every card adds a lot of leniency to her

JESUS WHY IS STAGE 4 SO FUCKING CANCEROUS

by the power of op's image, fate has brought cake to us all

tfw no esc+r

Touhou spells get less and less visually appealing as time goes on.

>>21861653
Get the fuck out of /jp/

Let me beg for an Extra replay as I'm a shitter but I want to see Miko's horse in all her glory.

>>21858107
Sakuya A in PCB
because MUH BOMBS

>>21858107
Homing Reimu in EOSD
Sakuya A in PCB
Reimu and her mom in IN
Medicine in POFV
Broken Marisa in MOF
Reimu and her mom again in SA
Homing Reimu in UFO

Not sure about the other games but usually it is almost always Reimu since she requires the least effort to actually things.

>>21862133
actually hit things I mean

>>21858107
ReimuA
SakuyaA
Bat and meido
MarisaB
ReimuA
SanaeB
Reimu
MarisaB
Reisen
ReimuFall
ReimuOtter

>>21861894
ey bby
In my opinion I don't find it too bad except for that part and the boss' first spell. I'm probably not gonna like it as much as HSiFS' stage 4 though.

>>21858107
reimu B
sakuya A
reimu & yukarin
medicine/aya (marisa if no unlocks)
marisa Bugged, otherwise reimu A maybe
reimu & yukarin
reimu A or sanae B
reimu
sakuya A?
reisen
marisa winter if you don't die
reimu eagle? I feel that any strong combo is ez enough like wolf Youmu or any Marisa

Any anons know how to make the 3-6 bosses drop their goodies?

>>21862326
Meant stages 4-6.

how do I capture stage 4 boss last spell? it's literally impossible

>>21862344
don't suck and actually clear cards and shit?

>>21862468
Talking about rare spirits, senpai. Stages 1-3 had some specific requirements. Just wanted to see if anyone had the exact answer for how to get the other rare spirits.

>>21862466
I found a pretty reliable route for it, see webm. Stage 3's last spell though, no idea.

>>21862478
And people say ZUN has no more ideas for his games. The danmaku is amazing.

>Entrusting this World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World

>>21862491
To be honest I think the last two cards are pretty bland outside of UNLIMITED GOASTS

Having Otter during the final boss animal spirit spam cards just feels silly.

>>21862525
Silly as in, it's pretty good? Or silly as in, it's completely unsuited for the danmaku?

Hang on, what's that about a spirit spam on the final boss? Would that make a no-hyper run (close to) impossible?

>>21862540
It makes the cards a lot easier than they probably should be. I think the most unsuited might actually be Reimu Eagle because her huge homing shots make the yellow kunai bullets really hard to see so you are much more likely to accidentally run into one.

>>21862478
thanks anon, this looks really intense though.

>>21862557
Reimu's shots are a huge visual mess, especially when almost all the bullets and backgrounds have the same color as either of them

Managed to blind 1cc Normal cause Otter. New patterns are really fun though and I love the characters and music.

>>21862476
oh like when you could get the cow chicken and jellyfish ones? I legit don't know.

Someone shoop this till we reach a general consensus, I'm going to sleep now but this was just my experience with the ghousts, was it vastly different for any of you?

>>21862552
final boss endlessly spawns in more and more animal spirits near the end so it would be almost impossible not to grab 5. They are all the same as your chosen spirit so you always enter the longest hyper mode too.

>>21862624
That kinda sucks, stage 6 will have to be an exception.

By any chance is there an updated 1cc chart for new game?

>>21861653
based

>>21862491
Did you even play the game? That and some of the Stage5 spells are the only good spells in the game. The rest look bland and play mediocre.
I like ZUN but he should put more effort in his games

>>21862624
They spawn from the bottom corners and, like other spirits, don't go below a certain height on the screen. If you bottomhug both of the last spells you can still do it without a super hyper.

>>21862621
Why avoid Eagle for Stage 5 boss? Do the slaves have suicide bullets on Hard and above?

Alright. Capped everything once in spell practice so time for stage practice. I really hope there's a secret strat to stage 6 boss's second last spell that I'm missing. Otherwise I can already see myself losing a fuckload of NBNR attempts to it.

>>21862578
Do other characters have this problem? Only had the chance to do 2 runs as Reimu this morning and I’m really having trouble on the parts of stages 5 and 6 with really tight dodging because it’s such a pain in the ass to see anything.

Fuck you guys, you said WBaWC would be easy.
What's-her-name with the long bloomers is wrecking my shit.

>>21863491
Marisa has some when she's hitting things at point blank with the explosions. Youmu is clean

I literally couldn't see anything and ran into bullets constantly when using hypers as Reimu so I switched to otter and didn't lose a single life until the last boss.

Any CS wizards willing to conjure up a timerfreeze hex edit?

>>21862594
>>21862621
Otter ruins this game for me. Otter Marisa either delets whole spellcards in trance (getting one almost instantly after another), or delets half a stage with prolonged Master Spark. Somehow this makes me play worse overall.

>>21863727
Just use cheat engine like everyone else.

>>21863173
Did you even play the game? Stage 4, 5 and 6's boss spells were top notch.

i was this close
THIS close
to beating Saki on my first try

godforsaken luck had to run out right at the end and now i'm all shaky

I don't even know how spirits work, I wonder if I'll be able to 1cc this anytime soon

>Otter master spark
It's fucking EoSD all over again

>>21862521
"Boxes with a simple path to dodge but not really" looks nice and "colorful bullet spam" is a staple already anyway.

I'm surprised with the amount of times I've gotten deathbombs in this game, is the window any longer than usual?

>>21864382
I wish.

I have no idea why Zun made the last spell of Keiki so difficult but also gave you a fuck ton of animals. Literally can't die.

>Literally has fire in the portrait
>No fire attack

>>21864414
Her last two spells are just big fuck you's to NNN runners.

>>21864414
Glorified Last Words basically

why isn't the third gang leader the phantasm boss

Even for normal, this is too easy.
Wolf Marisa confirmed strongest.

>>21864603
The health on that spell is fucked. It's pretty much just as easy even on Lunatic.

>>21864603
Melting down bosses with wolf Marisa feels so good.

>>21864603
Is this finally the game where Marisa is better than Reimu?

This game feels like it's easiest 2hu by far. Hardest part is seeing the fucking bullets over all this clutter so you can actually dodge them or just pick otter and ignore them.

>>21864603
That damage is unreal.

>>21864414
>Zun
Who?

>>21864657
I noticed my play improving when I turnt off SFX.
Having all those bullets + their sound is too much for me apparently

Ngl the final spell card is pretty dope with all these animals spawning

The 4th boss' nonspells are a pain with YoumuE.

>>21850346

Wolf = Powers up your focused shot
Eagle = Powers up your unfocused shot
Otter = Powers up your bomb

>>21864650
Play MoF then

>>21865123
>A B C
Why not W E O?

WHY THE FUCK IS THE EXTRA STAGE SO EASY
It's legit the easiest Extra stage that's ever been made. I had no fucking idea what was waiting for me and I finished it completely blind first try without putting much effort.
ZUN, what the fuck? Suwako, Mokou and Ran are a fucking hassle compared to it. Fix that shit with a damn patch.

Why is the black chicken horse shitting out so many resources she's already too easy even without them

>>21865142
To match with the others, I guess.

>>21865167
Then HSiFS already broke the convention with SP SM F W for the seasons.

Nice one, ZUN.

>>21865156
Hypers.

How do we get the stage 4-6 midboss goasts?

How to reliably beat Yachie's first spellcard? I can never anticipate those green bullet lines, how do I into geometry?

>>21866218
Learn Japanese

>>21866311
if you move slowly and stay far from the edges you should anticipate easily, and the patterns are always the same anyway

>>21866218
Stage 5 I got by killing while in wolf hyper, so I assume 4 is eagle hyper.

>>21866338
Ok, what next?
>>21866405
Thanks!

Anyone who says the Extra is easy needs to get rightly double-fucked.

>>21866311
Is that card incredibly laggy for anyone else? It's the only time I've ever had performance issues in a ZUN game

>>21866457
An easy Extra is still an Extra anon

>>21865123
Why is it so fucking tiny, at least make it font 10, my old man eyes can't read this.

>>21866457
Have you 1ccd normal? If you can do that I don't see why you can't beat Extra. None of it's particularly difficult and you can kill the survival spell

Is the rare animal spirit from the ex midboss bugged? The hint says to nmnb the final spell in practice and I'm not getting it

>>21866457
For extras it's still easy.

>replays.gensokyo.org hasn't been updated since TD
Holy shit. Is royalflare all that's left?

>>21866886
lunarcast works for 6-16.5, so i imagine 17 will be added at some point. there's also threplays, but since that works for 6-8 and 14-15, it might not be adding 17.

haven't tried either one. not sure if there are others (besides gensokyo). seems like none of them get much use any more.

>>21866886
http://replay.lunarcast.net/

Speaking of replays, oh wow, you can unlock achievements by watching them.

>>21866950
sasuga ZUN

Lost 2 Youmu E runs to the art teacher today.
I just want to see Yuyu

Reminder that if you're not a manlet, you will never really be good at Touhou. Asians are so good at this type of games simply because they are short, therefore their neurons are also short and allow faster reaction time. They also have low testosterone, making their skeletal structure small and further improving the reaction time

How will eaglemains ever recover?

>>21868863
>(eagle) one of the weakest shot types in the game
Literally couldn't be more wrong, mutt

>>21868863
i dont get the last point. isnt marisa eagle the strongest shotgunned shot, even over marisa wolf?

>>21868863
>>21869019
For comparison
This is an eagle imageboard now
Wolves get out

>>21869019
you cant do that for every card and you're pathetically weak for any card that requires you to focus.

>>21864650
Marisa was already better in HSIFS.
I think ZUN felt bad for LOLK so he finally focused on balancing the shots. Taking away Reimu's hitbox advantage made things much better, as did adding customizable parts that every shot can use (seasons and goasts).

>>21869031
I don't really need focused movement for any spell before stage 5 ; at most I need some short focus during Yachie's final card to squeeze in the safe spots. Granted, I can't say the same for stage 3 and 4's nons, nor can I say anything for stage 5 and 6 (didn't reach them yet on NBNH).
On other hand, YoumuE's following, wide-shooting options and her charge slash makes her leagues better than MarisaW for stage portions imo.

>>21869055
I liked when the characters had unique attributes beyond just different movement speed and shot/bombs. Things like point items moving slower, larger graze hitbox for scoring, lower poc line, larger item collection hitbox. It felt like there were incentives that rewarded different styles of play. Reimu was the survival character naturally because of her hitbox but she wasn't necessarily always the best for scoring so players were encouraged to break out of their comfort zone if they wanted to aim for a really high score.

>>21868863
Where was this image made?

>>21869226
Probably on a PC

Anyone have a blank/transparent chart with all the games up to WBaWC?

>>21869023
Overdrive or just the buffed shots?

I practiced the shit out of the last 3 stages but now can hardly get my shit together for the first 3 to even get to the last 3 at a good pace, and whenever I do I fuck up something simple on the later parts that I did super consistently in practice.
Why does this always happen.

>>21869849
You must flow like the river. Be calm and conform during the day, then raging and destructive in the storm.

>>21869949
>You must flow like the river

How hard it is to switch from ReimuA to ReimuB or Marisa? I feel like I'm getting too dependent on the homing bullets.

>>21870205
Some parts that Reimu is able to completely cheese become much harder but overall it's not too difficult, you just have to worry about your positioning a bit more.

>>21870082
I should have structured it to rhyme better.

>>21870205
It depends on the game. In most cases ReimuB isn't that much worse at stages than ReimuA is since her needles have decent horizontal coverage but Marisa is going to be more of a learning curve both for her difference in movement speed and because she tends to have a harder time with stages since her shots are usually much more narrow which makes it hard to crowd control all of the enemies.For bosses they should be easier since you'll kill them faster (except in DDC) and spend less time dodging patterns as a result.

NBNH'd to Keiki then proceeded to choke to the second non, Circle, and Linear twice. I hate it.

Can't wait for ZUN to not fix Youmu Eagle dealing less damage with her sword charge than Otter does. Shot feels unplayable on Lunatic for now.

>>21866457
God, I had to go through the rigmarole of beating the main game with Reimu-O's to see if could beat the bitch with Otter. Then even with that I just barely managed to eke out a win.

And this horsecunt is supposed to be easier than Ran? Get the fuck out of here.

>>21870715
Sick. Which shottype are you using? I'm still grinding stage 4 with YoumuE myself, she's so fun to play but I'm afraid she'll be lacking on the following stages.

>>21870838
Youmu Wolf. I grinded out fairly consistent routes for all the later stage portions on Reimu Wolf but Youmu makes it a lot less likely to fuck something up. She also makes the stage 5 boss spells easier and turns Keiki's statue spell into a joke. I'm really shit at stage 4 boss' nons as Youmu though but you gotta take the bad with the good.

>>21870897
Yeah, even on Eagle the charge slash destroys small enemies, it's great for stages. I'm having trouble with stage 4's nons too ; I just hope these are the only patterns that need focused dodges far from the boss, because Youmu seems to handle everything else really nicely.

>>21870812
Is Ran supposed to be easy? I remember her being harder than Yukari except for the fact that Yukari has some extra spells at the end. Most of Yukari's spells are just easier versions of Ran's

>>21871169
The only part of Ran I remember giving me trouble was Ultimate Buddhist, I really hate movement-heavy cards

ReimuE is completely useless against some of Mayumi's and Keiki's spells, oh wow.
And god damn it the amount of times I died getting telefragged while trying to get spirits or just couldn't fucking see what hit me.

>>21871701
4+ eagles with marisa basically means you can't see any bright colored bullets directly in front of you. Its fucking annoying. Some patterns I have to move the fuck back or risk getting hit by a bullet that eagle is blinding me to

>>21870410
>>21870235
thanks bros, I've started playing every single touhou game from the beggining, starting from 6
I haven't played touhou in a long ass time so my blade is rusty, MarisaA has a ridiculous damage output, I 1cc'd the game on normal first try
some spellcards were absolutely trivialized and some I had to time out because positioning was way too hard, especially on Sakuya
now I remember why I love this franchise so much

>>21871383
Are you kidding? That was probably the easiest one for me. I can't remember having any bomb/miss on that one ever.
Funny how different Touhou can be from player to player.

At least we can all agree that Eagle is the worst goast.

>>21871913
Otter is "good", but makes the game feel like a complete slog to play compared to the other two

>>21871913
Wolf > Otter > Eagle
Otter technically better than wolf if you wanna be a cheating bitch who just bombs through everything

3 times. 3 fucking times I game overed to Linear dying 2+ times to it despite being able to cap it 10 times in a row in spell practice. I don't understand.

Found a partial answer to my earlier question on how to get the midboss rare animal drops. >>21862326 >>21862344
Stage 5: Don't grab any spirits during the boss fight. 99% sure this includes when she appears before tossing out her pattern. If you have roaring mode active before starting her fight, you're fine.
Stage 6: Release your Roaring mode right as you kill the boss (timing is really strict).
Anyone figure out how to get the stage 4 rare beast yet?

>>21872161
>stage 4 rare beast
Be near a lot of bullets when you finish her off.

Turns out this game has a desync issue, at least on Extra. Desync occured even before Kutaka

>>21872161
Stage 4: Grazing 10 bullets right before killing the midboss
Stage 5: Having at least 4 animal tokens flying around when you kill the midboss
Stage 6: Killing the midboss just after breaking a hyper
Extra stage: Capture the 3rd midboss spell without going above the midboss.

>>21872214
What do you mean?

>>21872172
>>21872227
Thanks for the help, anons.

>>21872228
Replays can desync in some games. so even if you clear it'll show you dying 9 times before you even get to the boss.

>>21872214
Mm. I don't know if it's related, but one of my Extra stage replays shows me being granted two beasts right at the start for no reason. And indeed that results in some major desyncage. I thought it was some random isolated glitch but if other people are experiencing issues then ZUN might have screwed something up.

Lucky for me that that's a replay of a failed attempt so it being bugged doesn't matter, plus it's funny seeing it die a thousand times and never getting a game over.

>>21872339
>Mm. I don't know if it's related, but one of my Extra stage replays shows me being granted two beasts right at the start for no reason. And indeed that results in some major desyncage
That's exactly what happens for me, except I also get a wave of score and power items. It's just upsetting to me that I don't get to look at my first clear at any point.

>>21871169
I wouldn't exactly call Ran easy, as it took me two weeks to beat her.

>>21872214
>>21872339
Just checked my replay, same thing happened. 2 Beasts appear at the beginning and I immediately die to some of the first bullets that show up, so it desyncs before the beasts are even picked up. I guess it just fucks with the RNG.

I just found another issue while practicing Kutaka's spellcards from the Extra stage. Looks like she actually appears before she's supposed to, and with a depletable health bar on top of it. With a powerful enough shot it is possible to kill her even before the spell activates.
Only Reimu focused (all 3 animals) looks powerful enough. Reimu unfocused and other characters don't kill her fast enough, so the spell actually activates and the health bar is fully replenished.

>>21873280
I was able to kill EX Kutawa with Youmu Otter by charging up her focus at point blank range.

>>21871995
It's that one spell which can break up your groove very easily. Just calm down after one miss

>>21869023
>marisa eagle the strongest shotgunned shot
I can’t see shit while using it.

how is everyone playing already?

>>21871913
Yes >>21868863

imagine if PCB was actually released today.
would it be perceived as the kino 2hu

>>21874115
Not likely.

>>21874115
Nah, you would have people complain about Letty, Prismrivers and Yuyuko having boring designs, borders being broken in survival and convoluted in scoring

Tripple chick power.

>>21874687
Have we figured out the requirements for each one to get them all?

>>21874715
yes

>>21872161
>>21872172
>>21872227

>>21874728
Cheers, wonder how hard it would be to do a 100% drop run

>>21871995
>despite being able to cap it 10 times in a row in spell practice. I don't understand.
I don't know about you but the pressure gets me and makes me choke outside of practice runs.

>>21864334
Collect 5 spirits to activate a Spirit Border ala PCB. You can then either press the Bomb button to get rid of it, run into a bullet to cancel it, or keep it till it runs out giving you extra spirits. If you collect 3 or more of a certain spirit type you get a special shot or shield in Otter's case. Getting 5 is ideal as that increases the duration of your special attack immensely. If you collect bomb and 1-up spirits in this form you can turn them into bomb/life pieces immediately. Other than that don't lose your cool from the trippy effects and you'll be able to make most stages a breeze.

>>21874728
What about stage 2 and 3?

>>21875337
Kill the stage 2 midboss pointblank and have otter shield active when you kill the stage 3 one

>>21873969
>already
Anon, the game was released two days ago.

>>21875485
why was I not informed of this?

>>21875477
Thanks.

>>21875490
It's almost as if the games have been released during Comiket for over 20 years.

>>21873487
>Just calm down after one miss
Yeah that feels like my main problem right now. The panic sets in and I lose all control.
https://files.catbox.moe/j2i0m4.webm

>>21862621
What the meaning of this pic?

>>21876068
Keiki nons really reminds me of how fucked the hitbox of stars are

There it is. There's a lot I could improve in this run (3 misses to the last spell and like 5 border breaks) but I'll work on some other stuff now.

>>21876494
Nice! How tough is it to not trigger the hyper with the animal spam I'm seeing?

>>21876517
It's not hard to not trigger it (just bottomhug), but it's hard to do a lot of damage as Youmu without triggering it. You just have to resist the urge to fly up into the swarm of spirits after a death and stay on the bottom while chipping away at her health.

>>21876494
Congrats anon. I'm working on NB myself right now though allowing wolf/eagle hypers since they're what makes this game fun for me.

>>21876561
Neat, thanks for the tip.

Wow this extra is a joke. Got to like 6th spellcard despite being a normalfag. For comparison I've never been able to reach even boss on first try in any other extra.

Here's a sneaky little strategy for the stage 5 midboss in case she's giving you trouble. Works for stage 6 too, but doesn't work for any of her boss nons as far as I know.
Start anywhere and dash clockwise right before she starts firing, and reverse the direction whenever she stops firing.
>>21876600
Thanks!
>allowing wolf/eagle hypers
That's honestly a much more reasonable way to play and a good way to keep sane, because there were a bunch of good runs that I had to throw away just because I accidentally hit a hyper while dodging things.

Here's a sneaky little strategy for the stage 5 midboss in case she's giving you trouble. Works for stage 6 too, but doesn't work for any of her boss nons as far as I know.
Start anywhere and dash clockwise right before she starts firing, and reverse the direction whenever she stops firing.
>>21876600
Thanks!
>allowing wolf/eagle hypers
That's honestly a much more reasonable way to play and a good way to keep sane, because there were a bunch of good runs that I had to throw away just because I accidentally hit a hyper while dodging things.

>>21876822
Very nice. Saved.

>>21872214
I went to practice mode for one of the Keiki spells that have spirits spawn randomly, every replay of these breaks.

Anyone know any other channels like this one with commentary (preferably live) over gameplay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTABGh8Q3ME

Is the extra boss killable during her survival again?

>>21878702
Yeah I think you just have to bomb.

>>21878702
Yes

i need a download link please

>>21878797
https://mega.nz/#!oUIxEAbC!VVcQ8C18t0cJm6apdEIEtHcUH0MjnvpoK4-zbBX_i-0

So guys, I went to watch my old fight with Okuu and instead of that, I just die in the first spellcard and Marisa almost stops moving. Why does this happen?

>>21878964
You started the replay from stage 6 and/or fast forwarded during stage 6.

What

>>21879876
Spell practice is broken

I got my Normal 1cc really quickly! Wolf Youmu is great, I loved this shottype in TH13 and I love it even more here with how much it's been beefed up, even if it allows me to clear some things I know I have no right to survive. Got to the EX boss's fourth-to-last card already after three tries, so I think I'm going to go for that as well. The difficulty as a whole seems a bit toned down for Normal and EX but I won't complain because I don't want another LoLK to happen.

>>21879876
Marisa Wolf is broken

>>21863164
Umm, based on what?

>>21879876
Marisa CAN beat the cock!

Is there a way to run thcrap patched games not through the thcrap launcher? Due to some weird bug I absolutely have to run the games in admin mode or they are unplayable but you can't do that through the thcrap launcher.

what the hell is a susanowo player

>>21862491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neBamlOUWbw
Not even new

>>21881280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanoo-no-Mikoto

>>21881401
That's very far-fetched.

>>21880634
Nope, there is not, since the launcher patches the game on the fly as it's loaded (which is kinda nice since it leaves the files untouched.)

What did we do to deserve thcrap?

>>21881810
HRT

I think that main problem why the game feels so much easier is that spells have so little health. Even when you're not using Wolf you kill every EX Stage spell after 3~4 loops and you basically have no time to make any mistakes like in previous games. With wolf it's even more piss easy, you kill everything in 1~2 loops.
But aside from that, patterns were pretty fun, I enjoyed EX much more than in 16.

>>21881810
smol community

>>21881810
You can just not use it, you know.

>>21881810
Not sure if you're being positive or negative, but thcrap is a nifty tool.

how do you guys play anything past IN?
all the glowshit and backgrounds designed to make bullets blend in fuck with me
I know its done on purpose to increase difficulty (a good thing!!) but a combination of me having vertigo + bad eyesight means that theyre pretty much fucking unplayable for me
hold me bros, will I only be able to play EoSD, PCB and IN for all my life?

>>21882094
Can I get translated games without using it too?

>>21882751
they are the best games anyway so it's alright. Play other STGs than Touhou and other games in general, it's not a big deal

>>21882751
Practice my mang. Eventually you'll be able to "see beyond" the background and only focus on the bullets.
It might take you more practice then others to get there but I know you'll make it if you stick to it.

>>21882751
>how do you guys play anything past IN?
By not having vertigo and using fucking googles.

>>21882751
Play TD

>>21882751
Hey, you've got LLS too. Go for it, it's great. There's MS too but it probably has the worst case of blending bullets in the series with its stage 4. The rest of the game is fine though.

>>21882751
>bad eyesight
don't you have glasses, anon? or is it so severe that even glasses don't help? I have bad eyesight too, most 4-5 stage bosses used to eyerape me but I've gotten better and you can too

>>21882753
Sure, why not.

>>21882762
Is that Diablo 2?

>>21882762
Yup, its a silly but really fun D2 mod. Image name related.
It uses an old version of Median as it's base but is really customized from there. Requires 1.13c/1.12 if I recall correctly.
Should be on ModDB

>>21882751
>I know its done on purpose
God I hope not.
Nemuno's second spell comes to mind right now. The spell's only diffculty comes from the big flashes at every bullet wave and their yellow color that's honestly tiring to watch. Like that's literally it, the dodging itself is free.

>>21882784
Cool. Can you teach me how? Please.

>>21882751
UFO with it's screenshake with the anchors is the only one I can't stand

>>21882843
Marisa’s master spark is worse at that

What are peoples thoughts on the optional bonus rewards you get for doing specific things against the midbosses? Would you like ZUN to continue incorporating incentives like that in future games where you get additional resources for playing a bit more dangerously?

>>21882772
Most of it isn't so bad but miko has some eyerape patterns
At least it's not Len'en level of glow/blending abuse

>>21882816
No.

>>21882803
Is vanilla Diablo 2 good? I beat the first one recently and while it was fun, it didn't quite make me feel like playing the sequel immediately.

>>21883131
You'll need the LoD xpac for it, about 99% of D2 mods need it. You can just pirate it anyways since you can't play it on B.net so it doesn't matter. Literally just get keys and disc images off of Archive.org or whatever.

Please teach me how to play POFV. Was fine with Reimu and Marisa but Eiki seems immune to Sakuya ex/bombs, I got her to half lifepiece and every time she dodges EVERYTHING while shitting out level 4s

>>21882751
there's toho toolkit. i couldn't get it to work when i tried to change backgrounds in eosd, but maybe you could figure it out.

i have trouble with all the windows games to varying degrees, but things are worse with mof onward. i played through ufo back when shmups and toho were still fresh and exciting to me, when i could put up with bombing or dying a lot to bullets i couldn't see/track because the fun outweighed the frustration, but it just isn't worth it anymore.
>a good thing!!
it isn't.

>>21882773
>There's MS too but it probably has the worst case of blending bullets in the series with its stage 4.
maybe it's a peculiarity with your vision because that's not bad at all. the white of the pellets and kunai is distinct from the white in the background, and the background's almost entirely blue anyway. plus, all pellets are aimed and all kunai are in static patterns, so even if you have a bit of trouble you can always know their trajectories so there's no surprises.

if anything's an issue with ms, it's the distracting backgrounds for stage two, shinki, and ex-alice, but those don't hide bullets so they're alright once you learn to ignore them.

>>21883186
The AI literally cheats. They're just on a timer or something. I think it's partially random how long they last. But basically just survive and eventually they'll kill themself. Using bombs and stuff doesn't make a difference as far as I'm aware.

Also the more times you die to a boss the easier they become. So Eiki will always last super long on her first life to the point where she's basically unbeatable. But if you lose to her then she becomes easier. For this reason you want to try and go into the final fight with as many lives as possible or else you're basically fucked

>>21883186
AI has an inbuilt "timer" after which his CPU-tier dodging capabilities are severely diminished.
For instance, Eiki literally cannot be killed on her first round if you're not playing as 2hu which ex attacks break AI's AI. But after each loss their timer decreases (along with general difficulty), so you have more chances.
As a rule of thumb, if you've managed not to die at least once on stage 6+, you should have enough resources to beat her (3rd-4th round)
You should be good at general dodging, you should never hold shift unless you want to activate spirits/micrododge because that decreases the amount of fairy waves spawning in. Less fairies = less score = less resources = less dots reflected back to enemy screen = less dots reflected back from enemy screen to yours = less score = less resources.
Never press X unless in great need/there is a free yellow pickup, as it nukes your mana back to nothing. Always charge up and spam lvl 2 spells for extra score and for screen clearup, as you'll get even more shit spawned on your screen as AI will deflect it back and forth for more score.

>>21882806
>Nemuno's second spell comes to mind right now. The spell's only diffculty comes from the big flashes at every bullet wave and their yellow color that's honestly tiring to watch. Like that's literally it, the dodging itself is free.
HSiFS in some parts is really close to unplayable because of this, and I've had the same problem on her spell with blue bullets - the background makes it hard to read them.
>>21882773
and yeah MS stage 4 is also really bad. its strange because ZUN usually used either dark or green backgrounds for PC98 games.

>>21883428
>>21883487
Alright so I wasn't imagining it when the game felt easier after dying. This is all very useful. One more thing: I read that the number in the lower left corner affects your lvl 2 spells but how exactly?

>>21882917
Achievements are fun and I'm down 100% with ZUN continuing to them in the games.

>>21882751
>all the glowshit and backgrounds designed to make bullets blend in fuck with me
But you're fine with Remilia? Strange.

>>21883552
If I remember correctly the more spells you cast the faster your meter builds up. So you can spam level 2 spells, and the more you use them the more spammable they become and you will get to the point where you can be using them non-stop and it's massively improves your survivability when things get really hectic late into the fight

>>21883607
The visual effect on remilia bullets are optional. If you disable fog in the custom.exe it gets rid of it.

>>21883711
That's cheating.

Well thank you for the tips guys, I did it! 3 deaths on Eiki

>>21883764
congratulations anon.
but please do not hesistate to press the print screen button.

>>21883764
dumb phoneposter

>>21883871
Don't be rude, I just had the thread open on phone while I was eating.
I'm just raining in 1cc's now, again took me 3 lives for Eiki.

>>21883487
>never hold shift unless you want to activate spirits/micrododge because that decreases the amount of fairy waves spawning in
true, but you only need to release shift for a moment for more fairies to spawn.
probably safer to get used to releasing whenever possible (and tapping instead of holding to activate spirits) rather than trying to curtail use of focused movement.
>charge up and spam lvl 2 spells for extra score
that's fine for scoring (which is good to learn since you'll get more lives), so it's good for stages 1-5 and on any rounds later on when you know you're going to die anyway (or if you're doing a score run), but you don't want to do this for survival on later stages.
>>21883626
this is completely wrong.

PoFV is a kusoge for EoSDsecondaries.

>>21884147
That's an hot opinion you've got there champ.

>>21884147
It's nice that you have enough interest in /jp/ to use threads here, but please leave the /v/ behavior at the door and take it with you when you go back because it smells like shit.

>>21884147
actually playing touhou games is now secondary, weird times we live in

>>21884147
Let's say you're right (and you aren't), I still wanna it to my lunatic clears.
>>21884106
>completely wrong
Then what does that lower left number do exactly? And what causes you fo charge so many lvl 2s late in a match?

>>21884241
'Secondary' is just a catchall for anyone you don't like nowadays.

>>21884241
Experiencing RNGshit until the game hands you a win for free =/= Playing a game, much less a skill-focused game such as the actual Touhou games

LOLK and HSIFS were really good but this game isn't doing it for me. Feels like it had less development time.

>>21884321
ah yes, the truth has been laid bare before my eyes, at last I truly see

>>21884284
>Then what does that lower left number do exactly?
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Gameplay
>And what causes you fo charge so many lvl 2s late in a match?
accumulated onscreen spirits and pellets along with high overall rank (hidden variable; not spell or boss rank) leads to larger chains.

I just want to get a single capture on Keiki's final on normal without resorting to otter and I can't fucking do it no matter how many times I try because of the ridiculous amount of kunai walls she throws out. Fucking sucks being trash at these games.

Two months later, still can't beat Orin. Fuck SA.

>>21884525
What difficulty?

>>21884525
Just bomb, bruh

>>21879876
Annoying bug >>21873280

>>21884525
Orin is very tough. Probably the hardest stage 5 boss besides Shou and Clownpiece. Just bomb.

>>21882773
>the worst case of blending bullets in the series with its stage 4
That's UFO stage 5

>>21885180
WBaWC stage 4 is also getting there

>>21883711
which bullets? i turned off fog and didn't notice a difference.

Why did they remove the "press R on the pause menu to retry" shortcut with WBaWC? The extra key presses it takes to restart when I fuck up and die in the first thirty seconds gets on your nerves after a couple hours.

>>21885425
>they

But yeah, that's annoying as shit. It was such a convenient feature. What, were people pressing it by accident somehow or something? I just can't think of a reason why it'd be removed.

>>21885180
I've never had that issue in UFO but I thought it was glaring in WBWC

>>21885597
>were people pressing it by accident somehow or something?
I feel if that were the case, the Q shortcut would also be removed.

I managed to beat the Extra stage on only my second day of trying. I think the boss might be easier than EX Okina, I was having difficulty until I just embraced bomb spam and then DECIMATED her with zero trouble. The gimmicks in the past couple games have been extremely powerful.

>>21885642
>I was having difficulty until I just embraced bomb spam
Touhou in a nutshell

>>21885658
Well I mean just spamming bombs won't save you in most EX stages, you still need to dodge a good portion of the attacks since bosses can't be damaged during bombs. Here though, you bomb the nonspell, collect five animals, and then destroy the next bomb just by the sheer might of Wolf Youmu's DPS. Some spells can't even get going before the boss's HP is depleted. The boss also gives you approximately one bomb per spell due to the pickups, making it even easier to spam.
The only EX stages I've ever cleared are Flandre, Ran/Yukari, Okina and this girl whose name I have now this one, and I can definitely say I had to spend a lot more time beating the first two than the latter two, despite beating Ran/Yukari and Okina almost back-to-back and not having played Touhou more than sporadic bursts for about eight months prior to this. This is absolutely easier than previous games were (but again I am not complaining because I don't want another LoLK, please ZUN do not make another LoLK).

>>21878207
Nobody?

>>21885658
Well, the games kinda encourage bombspam by taking away all your bombs when you die

>>21884106
>but you don't want to do this for survival on later stages.
yeah, I guess to survive stuff like Eiki ex you'd want to reset the board instead.

What's the verdict on the new game's difficulty compared to the past games?

>>21887073
Easier than HSiFS

>>21887073
Easy if you resource abuse otherwise a good challenge if you don't.

>>21882776
I do but I still have to be within 6 inches of something to REALLY see well, my glasses just help me make out detail
also the combination of glowshit, vertigo and camouflaging bullets makes me dizzy if I try to focus too hard
>>21882843
I gave up on UFO a week after it was released ahaha
>>21883607
Remilia isnt nearly as bad as the other stuff in my opinion

>>21887073
Among the easiest games. The mechanic is just painfully easy to abuse.

>>21887073
Regular play is easy if you're abusing hypers and bombs. LNBNH difficulty is about medium. ExNNNN leans towards the easier side. LNNNN depends entirely on how consistent people can make those super precise dodges on Keiki's 1st and 2nd last spells. If they can, it might be one of the easiest. No clue about scoring.

>>21887073
Easily the easiest

>>21885792
I remember that being the case in TD, but wasn't it reverted a couple games back?

>>21887409
If you have more than 2 bombs in UFO and TD it remains the same after a miss, other games goes back to 2/3 no matter what

MS is a nice game. I'm loving the whole soundtrack right away. This is my earworm for today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsj7QloW5Zo

>>21888312
It really is. You prefer fighting Yuki on stage 4? I find Mai easier, but on the other hand it's true Yuki feels more fun to fight. Her second-to-last pattern is nuts.
Wait till you get to the extra too, it's fucking great. Probably my favorite of the series.

Just got the LNM run done, and with that I'm done with my main goals for the game. 40/40 will come with time.
Also ZUN's questioning whether or not I'm an AI. That's pretty cool.

How exactly are you meant to see where the gaps will appear on Keiki's fourth spell? By the time I can read the lanes the idols have already moved too close for me to kill them before they run into me.

>>21890319
Forgot to mention I'm playing eagle Reimu.

>>21890531
What difficulty?

>>21890556
Normal. It's perplexing as I feel that I've captured much harder patterns in the other games and this one I just can't seem to grasp.

>>21890319
>>21890531
The worst thing is how you can't even bomb that spell as ReimuE because the orbs will home onto the idols instead of the cake.

>>21890908
I'm aiming for no bombs/hypers so it wouldn't have been an option even if Reimu's bombs worked better unfortunately. May end up just having to join the MarisaW/YoumuW bandwagon since the spell is trivial with them.

>finally unlock SA Ex so i can fight Koishi
>can't even make it to Koishi with sufficient lives/bombs
what do I do?
ReimuA, quoting myself

>>21892999
>what do I do?
git gud
What's killing you, the level itself, or Sanae?

>>21892999
It's an extra so your only choice is to learn it.

>>21892999
Learn Sanae's spells
>ReimuA
You can cheese the second half of the stage with your bomb (while still getting back your power) and Yukari's ability (for the section right after Sanae)

Is there a way to fullscreen th17 without stretching it?

>>21893063
mostly Sanae but the level itself too sometimes. I can play through the first half without dying but if i do i never have enough bombs cause i either don't get enough power or use a few along the way cause i'm playing more risky during the part with the circle pattern fairies (most i got when reaching Sanae is 3 and even getting 2 is not consistent for me).
As for Sanae i can dodge her first spell without issues, her second as well but not consistently, and her last always takes at least one bomb from me.
The second part i have less issues with except for the one right after Sanae with the fast bullets that i can only assume you have to stream in circles around them and the large bullets directly after it.
My big issue is not even that I'm dying so much (although i do). It's that i fell like I'm not getting enough Power (and in turn bombs) to work with.
I assume this stage is where people realized how much SA's system works against them?

>>21894298
There's nothing wrong with SA's system, if anything it helps a lot in the extra.
Route the first half so you get max power right before Sanae, you also get a free bomb for her (I used it for her second spell for consistency).
As for the part right after, use ReimuA's ability like the other anon said.

>>21892999
Don't abuse greentext and spoiler function in the first place.

>>21884328
>imagine being so bad at a game you trash it

>>21895303
>The "You hate the game because you suck at it" argument
Please not this shit again.

>>21894298
>It's that i fell like I'm not getting enough Power (and in turn bombs) to work with.
How about learning how to dodge the patterns?

>>21883607
>>21883711
can someone clarify this further? i've tried it on and off, both playing and watching replays, even taking screenshots at the same points, and i don't see any difference. tried it untranslated, too. checked a youtube, and it looked the same as my game.

i see a couple fog effects on remi: there's the wing-flap-like effect that's always there and a much larger gathering effect before certain attacks. those are the same with fog on or off. i don't see any other effects.

config is attached (fog is usually unchecked). i'm using vpatch... i wouldn't think that would be an issue, but that's all i can think of that's different. i can't test the game without vpatch since it launching the game exe causes it to lag out on this pc.

>>21894231
Enable GPU scaling on your GPU config

I had been practicing with remiu/wolf for a while and couldn't 1cc normal, but then did it on my first try with reimu/otter
I feel like I cheated

Which games are the most focused on pure skill at dodging as opposed to memorization of patterns?

>>21898372
Phantasmagoria of Flower View is 100% dodging.

>>21898372
IN, SA and WBaWC

>>21897908
Otter is basically a cheat for casuals. I appreciate having it because I'm no longer interested in long practice to clear a game.

>>21897908
Here's a trick: otter roast with wolf shots