/jp/ - Otaku Culture

kek

I like maids.

Case files is bad and FGO will dab

Imagine a world without Fate...

>>21737354
A much worse world where the only thing TM would be known for would be Tsuki, most likely resulting in them never becoming famous and producing more mediocre works.

Do you guys know where I can find a compiled list of every single TYPE-MOON work/release ordered by release date? I checked the wiki, but there isn’t really a comprehensive list that I could find

Arcuried, Aihana, Aoko and Alice will fall in love with Ritsuka!

IN THE NAME OF THE TRUTH AND THE ROOT,
Mahoyo girls are cute!

Newfag here. Should I download the japanese collection and manually patch them or use the prepatched versions linked bellow? I see Réalta Nua is the only prepatched version of Fate/Stay night. Should I play this one rather than the original?

>>21737677
If you're gonna play them in English then yeah, might as well play prepatched versions. Realta Nua is superior to the original, yes.

>>21737677
>>21737687
>missing out on Nasu's seafood analogy h-scenes
Don't be that guy.

>>21737723
The RN version in the OP comes with the h-scene patch I think.

>>21737577
That was Touko's peak

>>21737723
I mean, they're "fun", but they often ruin the immersion

>>21737733
Touko's peak is the nee-san vibe she has in KnK

>>21737744
I meant in design

>>21737740
You're reading an eroge mate. Don't be like Type-Moon and be ashamed of it.

>>21737723
I'm playing through HF now without the h-scenes, am I missing out on anything important because of that?
I wanted all the tiger stamps, but if I'm missing too much then I'll try and find an english crack of the original vn.

>>21737751
>you're reading an ergo
you people genuinely tire me

>>21737767
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. Either that Fate/Stay Night is not an eroge (which it certainly is) or that I am implying that there is something wrong with it being an eroge (which I didn't). The point is that the H-scenes are a part of the experience.

>>21737765
I mean not really. I personally think the story in HF makes more sense without the censorship.

>>21737783
More like it was you wo sounded like you implied it was an ergo before anything else.
They may have been in the original VN, and they may not be the worse thing ever created but they also clearly weren't meant to be "part of the experience", it was pure marketing and you know it.
There is nothign wrong with reading it with the scenes but anon I asked a question and I gave him another point of view : no matter what you think of them, the most of the scenes do take you out the experience and this is not something you can shrug off with "it's a porn vn mate".

>>21737824
>the most of the scenes do take you out the experience
No they don't unless you are oddly prude. They all make sense.

>>21737833
They do unless you're a child who think reading sex makes him a grown up. Something making sense is in now related to it being good, justified or fitting. It's especially glaring in how the scenes were easily rewrited to not include sex instead of simply offscreening them.

>>21737927
The only thing wrong with them is that they aren't really erotic.

>It's especially glaring in how the scenes were easily rewrited
Not really. HF is especially quite a bit different.

>>21737729
Can someone confirm this?

>>21738275
yes, there is a hpatch you can download and add to Realta Nua
not that the patch worked for me

Is there a difference in the story in arcade mode in Act Cadenza and Actress Again? Just wondering if there's a reason to play Act Cadenza at all after I'm done with ReAct.

Should I play Tsukihime or Mahoyo after finishing F/SN? I've heard the latter is supposed to be better from a few people.

>>21738458
Tsukihime

>>21736836
Meh.

>>21738458
Can you read nip or French?

>>21737342
>>21737371
>>21737398
grow up

>>21738511
uh... have sex?

>>21738360
Probably. There was no Dust of Osiris in Cadenza, right?

>>21738511
About what?

>>21738360
Yeah, Act Cadenza has its own Arcade story which is basically about White Len and her creation.

>>21738621

i'm bored af

I'm not sure if I'm under a rock or something but is a there a person currently doing "better" translations for the KnK LNs?

>>21738795
Nah, not really that I know of.

>>21738795
Some group on r/lightnovels allegedly started on one a few months ago

https://thenovelbase.wordpress.com/garden-of-sinners/

So, in the F/Z LN, they mention that Artoria doesn’t have the knowledge of the modern world given to complete heroic spirits by the grail, but she does get skills like riding that allow her to drive cars and motorcycles. All in all, I feel like this development is just meant to make her more moe for when she encounters things like the ice shaver shaped like a penguin. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

>>21739566
>>21739566
The Throne gives you knowledge, skills are "given" by the grail system. Sabers never goes to the Throne.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaid1ngmOsA
Say what you want about the adaptation part but this scene probably had the GDP of a little country put into it and it shows.

I was always a huge fan of TP but Extra shit and then fgo and the overall direction the studio went really put me off but yet I felt I needed to read those new works to be a true fan. Only got back into the franchise recently by stumbling upon one of these threads and god I was wrong to let myself be influenced something like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff2tM4-nZA0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff2tM4-nZA0

>>21738316
I meant does the OP version have it?

>16 posters
yikes

>>21740694
just the mark of a quality thread

Is Ayaka in F/SF is the Ayaka from the prototype timeline selected by Zelretch or it is her conterpart from the Stay Night timeline ?

>>21740883
FSF timeline's Ayaka already graduated from Waver's class and is in Romania at the time of the Fake Holy Grail War. Blonde Ayaka who is Richard's master is something cooked up by Zelretch.

>>21740883
As anon said FSF Ayaka is confirmed to not be the real one from that timeline. She may not even be an Ayaka.

https://twitter.com/AkeyamaFox/status/1153252979580891137
I need context for this, dumb TL software.

I haven't kept up with Type-Moon in like a year and a half. Did I actually miss anything important?

>>21741269
Something about how the rumours about the artist overblowing Aoko's boobs' size not being founded since big tiddies run in the Aozaki household.

>>21741379
Funny how it would be called 'rumours'.
You can compare the fanart to the official art, easy.
Still, it makes sense now.

>>21741364
They announced the Tsukihime Remake will be a FGO collab instead of a standalone VN.

>>21741719
Fuck you
You nearly fooled me.
Tsukihime remake is never coming out, the original creators abandoned it for more money. Same as what happened to Half Life 3.

pedos get the rope

>>21742024
I wouldn't mind if it was Len hanging me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8Q0xE8h68
The amount of detail put in each animation is amazing.

>>21737824
>but they also clearly weren't meant to be "part of the experience"
If so, would you mind explaining why TM just re-released that version of the game instead of Realta Nua?

>>21745179
Because Realta Nua already exists but the original doesn't have its own HD version?

Why didn't the demon hunting families pursue magecraft to help bolster their power? Did they find their Psychic powers suitable enough?

>finally get around to watching Case Files because some guy said there was smug loli
>episode 0 sucked
>episode 1 was absolutely amazing
>now in episode 2 I find out that even here, even now, there's
>A N O T H E R
>FUCKING
>SABER
>other than that it was pretty okay

How does the rest of the series go? This wasn't written by Nasu, right?

>>21746023
>How does the rest of the series go?
The first half is original content (though ep 1 is mostly from the LN) and the second half aka Rail Zeppelin case (vol 4&5) hasn't been translated yet so i have no idea. It is enjoyable so far.

>>21746023
>This wasn't written by Nasu, right?
Thank God no.

Can a familiar act as an anchor for a Servant?

>>21747519
medea?

>>21746023
It's written by the only writer that still gives a fuck about the TM universe.

which just means the entire series is entirely irrelevant to anything else TM is doing and will ever do in the future. also nasu literally doesn't give a fuck about what said writer does, which just confirms he'll never return to more down to earth stories.

when he requested being able to put touko into the books nasu greenlight it without inquiring about anything.

>>21747527
Medea isn't a familiar.

>>21748111
Servants are familiars

>>21748114
Servants are purely spirits. Familiars like Len are not.

>>21748026
>which just confirms he'll never return to more down to earth stories.
Oi maybe Nasu will write a story about how XXXXXX (which is probably Marisbilly) did the ritual which is the cause of the stagnation of human history in Extra world. That ritual is supposed to happen on Earth isn't it ?

>>21748253
In Extraverse ritual happened way before it was supposed to. And it happening at expected time (20XX) is basically guaranteed to be covered in F/GO.

>>21748300
>20XX
Wasn't it supposed to be in like, a thousand years?

>>21748590
Nah.

>>21748253
why would he though? the extra timeline has reached a point where people are migrating into the moon. he already had a timeline where that wrecked world was relevant and choose to never do anything with it

>>21745243
>have to sign up for shitty DRM to get HD versions of Tohsaka's anus
Fuck you type moon. I probably would have bought it if it was just a normal fucking disc.

>>21737375
Can anyone help with this?

>>21750598
https://www.tsukikan.com/history.html
https://www.tsukikan.com/misc/type-moon-incomplete-timeline.html

Probably the closest you're gonna get.

>>21740192
>Say what you want about the adaptation part but this scene probably had the GDP of a little country put into it and it shows.

What makes you say that?

>>21740460
Yes.

>>21745179
>>21745243
>>21750053
>If so, would you mind explaining why TM just re-released that version of the game instead of Realta Nua?

Remember this?

>One moment "magus/humans dont stand a chance against servants/phantasmal beast" the next moment it's "my mystic code/eyes/reality marble/martial arts can totally beat you lol"

Defend this.

>>21750692
Tohno can in fact kill servants. When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.) Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.
Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

This motherfucker beat up a FOREST, all ryougi ever did was beat up:
>a drug dealer she went to high school with
>a high schooler with a disability
>a terminally ill woman
>a hotel manager

>>21750708
Looks like a post you would find on /a/ case files threads.

>>21750756
That's a classic pasta anon please educate yourself.

>>21750805
Yeah? Honestly don't remember it.

>>21746853
>Thank God no.

Why does /tmg/ hate Nasu?

>>21750875
Because he's a hack that hasn't written anything worthwhile in like 7 years.

>>21737375
The Wikipedia page?

I'm curious, did any of TP employee/collaborator/Nasu's or Takeuchi's friends publicly ever bash FGO and the shitshow the licence and the company have become?

>>21751066
Dunno, but one of TM employees is the person that came up with FGO Summer 2018's gimmick and they (Nasu with other TM employess) literally went to Hawaii just for that event (the budget of Summer 2018 could have been used for two different events). FGO still makes a lot of money for them after all, so i doubt it.

Caren was a mistake

>>21750756
>copypasta
Yet another proof that /a/ threads are filled with nothing but newfriends and braindead FGO players.

>>21752291
Hi Kirei how's it feel beingnkilled by a chuuni boy

Me waiting on Tsukihime remake. But who am I kidding? I can't read runes and it'll take it 10 years to be translated. :(

>>21751066
That would be a very rude thing to do, and they're japanese so they won't do it. the Mahoyo artist is probably fucking seething inside though, he's the only one in the entire company that still tweets about mahoyo every anniversary. he says some variation of "thank you for waiting" every single year. meanwhile nasu just has him draw some new variation of scathach every few months.

>>21752773
learn japanese instead of crying, it's pathetic.

Seo Akira-chan!

>>21755022
Literally fucking who

>>21755837
Nasu stop posting on /jp/ and go finish the Tsukihime remake

>>21745243
it's not an HD version. it's the same game as 2004

https://twitter.com/pengguchan/status/1154209117130506241

Honest thoughts on UTW subtitles for Fate anime?

>>21756743
They're usually the best, I think Apocrypha had some inaccuracies though.

>>21748233
Servants are called familiars even if they might not fit the technical criteria.

>Created an iconic character design with nothing more than a white shirt, blue pants and long hair
How the fuck did Nasu do it

>>21757413
Takeuchi is responsible for that.

>>21757413
Only Aoko can pull it off.
It just works.

>>21756782
Aniplex of America official subtitles on BDs is best.

Crunchyroll and UTW's edits of that are the worst.

Fate/Extra celebrated its 9th anniversary on July 22!

What are your honest thoughts on Fate/Extra?

>>21757813
I haven't played it because it isn't fully translated yet
and I don't want to skip ahead and play the translated games without playing the original

Maybe a stupid question, but what's the deal with heroic spirits being "real"? I mean, the narrative in FSN makes a big deal about Sasaki being a fake heroic spirit that never existed in real life, but also casually drops that heracles and medusa never really existed, but still count as heroic spirits for some reason?

>>21757987
the real person of "Sasaki Kojirou" never really existed and the name is simply a mantle, but the Assassin you see in F/SN was indeed a real person - albeit the one best suited to hold the mantle of the name Sasaki Kojirou.

>>21758003
I get that part. But what is stopping the Throne from just creating a "real" Sasaki as it seemingly did with Herc and Medusa? If neither Sasaki nor Herc nor Medusa ever existed irl, why is only one of them unable to be summoned without needing a substitute?

>>21758015
I think FSN never mentioned that Herc and Medusa didn't exist. At best it was implied that not everything that people believe about them is true. Maybe that's just a point where the TL fucks up?

I've only ever played melty blood briefly and I just wanted to say that I like this
that's about it.

>>21738508
>>21738795
>>21738875
>>21739255
>>21752773
>>21753169
Reminder to follow the guide, Burgers.

The “flavor” and “flourishes” Nasu added to flesh out the characters is lost in the English translations.

When you memorize stoke order, you'd be surprised how fucking fast and easy Kanji can get. Granted there are some bullshit ones though, but even the milder ones that look intimidating at first like ta(be), no(mu), sensei, college, but even after a few minutes of practices it comes natural

https://realkana.com

Hishiri finally

>>21757813
It's alright 6/10 but I can't bring myself to do a 3rd playthrough

>>21757839
It's translated you dummy, only CCC isn't.

>>21758112
I stopped at step 4 due to lack of motivation.
If they announce Tsukihime Remake's release date I'll actually have something I want to read again.

>>21753169
>just learn Japanese bro lol

>>21757806
>Aniplex best
How are they better? Did they translate the meme lines properly E.g "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right."

>>21757464
>2019... I am forgotten....

Bros...
What happened to us...

>>21758913
Liz is alright in CCC but a trash meme in everything else, at least she looks hot there I guess.
Helena is hot but a soulless boring character.
Jack is just garbage in every conceivable way and inferior to SF Jack in every conceivable way.

Len still the best TM loli with Illya as the only competition.

>>21758878
Screw those who forget.

>>21758935
I don't even mind Jack all that much. At least she has a relatively reasonable explanation for being a young girl, unlike the garbage genderbends FGO shits out. Being a collection of vengeful souls from aborted children is pretty metal too. SF Jack is still a far better and more interesting way to do it though.

>>21758601
yes, literally just do it.

>>21758913
>brave liz
joke character
>summer helena
character in a swimsuit
>jack
the only one i have a problem with. i don't mind her higher ascensions looking like that but she should've dressed more normal in apocrypha.

>>21759097
So what happens in FGO when they design a servant is:
Make a character based on a couple of random booru fetish tags (ex: genderbent, flat_chest, swimsuit, dragon_horns, etc...) and then give it a name of some character/person from a fable/history book.

>>21759097
>joke character
>character in a swimsuit

neither of these are an excuse when both are considered canon for some reason. TM was good when the comedy didn't have implications on the fucking lore. Imagine my surprise reading babylonia on release to be greeted by >Taiga XD

>>21759176
The only time when Type-Moon had all around legitimately good designs was F/SN and before. F/SN character designs being so good is what really drove them to popularity IMO, especially Artoria.
Some of the new stuff is just as good as the greatest stuff back then, but they're stuck in a pool of mediocre to bad designs so the franchise doesn't stand out anymore.
Some post-F/SN design I'd call legitimately great are;
>Enkidu
Very simple yet elegant. His oldest design from 2008 is the worst one, the newer ones are great.
>Mash
I know much of the character is recycled from pre-F/SN concepts but it seems Takeuchi actually put some effort into this one.
>Suzuka Gozen (CCC Fox Tail)
>Robin Hood (Fate/Extra)
>Nobunaga (KOHA-ACE I think?)
>Arjuna (FGO)
>Leonidas (FGO)
>Ushiwakamaru (FGO)
>Astolfo (Fate/Apocrypha)
>Tamamo (Fate/Extra)
>Merlin (FGO, unless he had a design before that I'm unaware of)
>Kato Danzo (FGO)
>Vlad III (Fate/Apocrypha, the Extra version isn't as good IMO)
>BB (Fate/Extra CCC)
>Kiara (Fate/Extra CCC)
>Goetia (FGO)

Note how less than half of those are from FGO while FGO has introduced hundreds of servants. It's an ocean of piss at this point.

>>21759264
I'd add Mordred, she's the only Saberface done right

>>21759264
SN's best design by far is casual Saber.
And that is the only SN design which I put with the other god tier designs in TM.
Nothing released after that, in Fate at least reaches that level, but some are quite close, mainly due to personal preference.

>>21759373
>not raincoat + armor saber

>>21759364
Cannot argue with this.

>>21759381
That is also neat.

>>21759364
Gray would be better if she had some resemblance but didn't have outright Saberface (yet). Her losing her real face forever due to the 5th war and helping out in the final battle of CF would be more tragic that way.

>>21759264
Zero's servants were on par with F/SN, if not better.
But TM knows that what sells nowadays is fanservice with clowny and pandering designs like in FGO.

>>21759264
>Merlin (FGO, unless he had a design before that I'm unaware of)
His design was introduced in Garden of Avalon which was a few months before FGO thankfully.
I fucking hate Ushiwakamaru by the way I have no idea how you appreciate that mess at all.

>>21759264
In term of FGO designs, i like Mashu, Holmes, Goetia, Arjuna and Arjuna Alter. Olga looks pretty nice too but i don't really like her.

So what's the proper way to clear everything from kagetsu tooya? I looked at this guide http://uzurauzura.harisen.jp/kagetu.html and it seems the first thing i need to do is clear the game? After that all the side things from the next section and than Grass Moon and so on?

>>21759839
There is an English walkthrough on Fuwanovel.

>>21759898
I'm not reading it in english though.

>>21759933
Do you forget English when reading in Japanese or something?

>>21759933
What the fuck is that answer

Rumor has it that sadpanda is going down, maybe back up your favorite obscure TM doujins/manga

>>21760978
Fucking shit I hope this isn't real or that /g/ does a replacement like with nyaa.
Guess I'll start downloading my favorites, thanks for the warning.

>>21761030
seems pretty real
>>>/h/5411286

>>21761030
>>21761034
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=229473

Forum post. Seems pretty solid, unless Joe went crazy.

>liking anything about mashit

SOMEONE DOWNLOAD THE ALL OF THE TYPE MOON MATERIAL BOOKS.

>>21761445
Post links

>>21761489
https://exhentai.org/tag/group:type-moon
list is here

>it's dead

This sucks lads we're gonna be losing easy access to shitloads of TM material books and TM Ace volumes that have no torrents and are hundreds of pages long, and that I'm not sure anyone has downloaded.

>>21761564
I'm trying my best to save some.

>>21761505
got most of those aside from the game CGs since those can be extracted again anyway, downloading fate material right now

>>21761629
Blessed anon.
Please upload it all elsewhere later if true.

>>21761564
>>21761567
Just dl them, make a comprehensive, well organized (for once) torrent and have anons see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY0t-Fr8dfI
The absolute state of TM.

>>21761904
I agree that it's shit but that's 2 years old, anon.

Would anyone happen to have all the Crazy Clover Club doujins archived? T-MOON Complex and all that.

>>21762062
I got of the Nasutrain pretty soon after fgo release.

Is Narita taking a shit on FGO?

>>21763333
Checked

>>21763333
Pretty much, either because it hinders their progress or because it is bad, and they are mandated to use some stuff from it.
And when that stuff takes ages to come out, they cannot proceed.

>>21763333
>the only remaining author trying to tell a compelling story with the setting
>gets all of his ideas under-cut by nasu retcons and then reimplemented somewhere else without any of the depth and without his consent
Yeah, probably.

>>21763333
Quads of truth

>tfw you have to tl this sentence but it's "interaction" ban week

https://twitter.com/elmelloi_anime/status/1154679392662016000
Ep 4 PV

>>21764336
Blond guy in a suit looks like that DA from SF and bearded guy with sunglasses looks like Mordred's Master in Apo.

What's the deal with Gray/Svin?

>>21764361
That is indeed Shishigo though ? The name of ep4 is "A Workshop, a Grave, and a Necromancer" btw.

>>21764361
>Blond guy in a suit looks like that DA from SF
Maybe Jester took this guy's body?

>>21764505
more likely his heart

>>21764361
Holy fuck no way we're getting Jester this episode.
If that's actually Jester or if he makes any sort of cameo I'll flip shit.

>>21764405
Gray's deal is that she's a joke saberface character.
Svin's deal is that he's an annoying joke character just like the other blond retard.

>>21764838
Don't be so mad anon.
Flat's been a classic TM character since 2008!

is the realta nua download link posted without h-scene?

>>21766125
source ?

>>21766657
https://twitter.com/exa1or8/status/1154768636462034946

>>21766147
Is that the Bull of Heaven?

How am I going to get loli reines C96 doujin now

Bloody hell, there's more Type Moon artbooks than I thought. There's no way I can DL them all before even e-h dies and I'm just looking at stuff not on /tmg/'s OP archive.

Mash is so fucking boring. Why havent they killed her off yet

What's MBAACC - Community Edition ?

>>21768215
It's the version that everyone plays, it comes with the fanmade netplay tool cccaster as well as some guides and tools and stuff. It's a different thing from the Steam version, they're virtually the same game but cccaster isn't compatible with the Steam version. Nobody plays Steam because cccaster is really good, one of the best netcodes for any fighting game as far as I'm aware.

>>21768235
So basically I play the whole PC collection and then stay on Community Edition if I want to keep playing the series and play against others?

>>21768242
I'm not the best person to ask for Melty story stuff, but the community edition is basically the definitive version of MBAACC, which (I think) is just outright superior to MBAA in terms of content. But there's definitely story stuff in the older games that aren't in MBAACC so you should play them for that. If you want to play with other people then yeah use MBAACC community edition and play with cccaster

>>21768242
yeah community edition has best netcode and everyone on the melty blood discord uses it instead of the one on steam.

How goes the archive salvaging process, tmg?

>>21768157
Beast VII Dangerous Beast

>>21767484
Get a copy yourself, stalk /h/ for loli, or hope someone uploads it untagged on e-h so it stays up for a day or two.

>>21768157
Because Fou will revive her right after that
>(I don’t have any records of that animal… but perhaps it’s someone’s familiar…)
>(…I feel a faint sapience from it. As if it were an AI that had started to learn things once more).

>>21768515
>>21767575
>>21767484
So... are we not doing the mass downloading as a group? I mean, I'm downloading some TM artbooks on my own but I'm surprised this general is as dead as usual and I'm pretty sure the mega in the OP isn't the most complete either. Other than /h/, it seems like /m/ is the only one actually banding together.

>>21770086
I've mostly been posting in /h/. Type Moon is popular as fuck unlike a lot of /m/ stuff so it's not like you need to tell people to specifically save stuff.

>[Ohys-Raws] Lord El-Melloi II-sei no Jikenbo Rail Zeppelin Grace Note - 04

In case anyone wants to watch the Fate car do its thing, the race is live now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB90NEx73z4

Fate is the 00, currently 14th
Promare is the 4, in 1st place
Miku is the 6, in 42nd place

>>21770487
Damn

>>21770505
Some commemorative artworks
https://twitter.com/plusone_inc/status/1155108166788505600
https://twitter.com/plusone_inc/status/1155118459828736001
https://twitter.com/plusone_inc/status/1155113230374596609

You guys aren't very talkative

I really like ORT. Something about the way it looks awakens my inner starry-eyed autist.

>>21770662
It's jay pee. We're always slow.

>>21770638

>>21770690
This, always loved his design. He actually looks threatening.

>>21770718

>>21770696
We're slow because you aren't very talkative.

>>21770638
>>21770718
>>21770727
Is that Nero and ... Okita? The ninja saberface? Are they the new faces of ftae?

>>21770750
Jeanne, Saber Lily and Nero

>>21770718
Dumb sluts are only good for pleasing the Trigger car's race team after they win.

Just finished reading Kara no Kyoukai. I had no real problem with the translation, and I could follow everything that happened pretty well. There was a bit of awkwardness at points, but that is what you need to put up with when dealing with fan translations. Overall, it was good.

>>21771110
Marry Shiki
Birth Mana
Kill Shiki
Marry Mana

Apparently ReAct is only an expansion of Melty Blood, should I just skip the original and play ReAct directly?

>>21771225
Yes. ReAct has everything the original has plus better mechanics and a new arcade mode. Play the story mode first and then do the arcade mode for every character. After that (assuming you want more story), do the arcade mode for Act Cadenza and then Actress Again.

>>21771245
Okay, thanks anon!

https://twitter.com/yukinogatari/status/1155196589369114625

>>21771456
Why are secondaries so cringy, is he not even aware that the FGO cancer timeline isn't even the same as the good FSN/CF one? Probably thinks of this as MCU trash.

>>21771456
this has to be a bait account, right?
I remember a post from the same person a couple of weeks ago being posted here saying that Apocrypha is the peak of Fate

>>21770487
that brown skinned woman is really sexy
Shishigou is still one of the coolest TM characters

God do I suck at fighting games.

>>21772381
If you're the same guy that's playing react, just use Shiki and spam weak to mid attacks (to launch them up in the air) and then finish with a strong attack. Works fine on everything except Giant Akiha (fuck that boss). There's no point in spending time to get super good at anything other than Actress Again.

>>21772408
Yeah? But I mean, the mechanics stay the same throughout the games no? Shouldn't I try to at least get decent and no spam my through the fights?

>>21772445
The controls are the same, but the mechanics/metagame change a lot from game to game. Actress Again also has the different moon styles to get used to.

>>21772445
Playing against AI is just a matter of learning how to abuse the AI. Haven't played react in a while but in MBAACC you can just hit them on their wakeup and half the time they'll get hit, the other half of the time you can do very basic block pressure and they'll just randomly decide to stop blocking.
>>21772408
Giant Akiha was fucking stupid, I don't even remember how I beat her. I think I just got really good at jumping over everything but even then I swear it's just luck depending on what moves she decides to do

>>21772466
>Giant Akiha was fucking stupid, I don't even remember how I beat her. I think I just got really good at jumping over everything but even then I swear it's just luck depending on what moves she decides to do
Maybe I'm just shit, but with Shiki I couldn't consistently beat her on anything other than the easier difficulties. There's no reliable way to dodge the drill-like attack. You just have to hope you're at the right spot and have enough time to get the block up.

>>21772487
Yeah the drill one was bullshit, you just have to minimise the amount of time you spend in it's range, and that means trying to be in the air as much as possible and when you land try to land with some distance away from her. Easier said than done though. Like I said I don't really remember how I did it, I doubt I could do it again without a bunch of attempts

>>21772496
Yeah. That was the one that always got me. I could be doing great and then she decides to randomly spam that attack out of nowhere and fucks me over in like three seconds.

Case Files' opening is absolutely amazing. Would fit so well as a serial killer mystery novel.

Case Files' opening is absolutely amazing. Would fit so well as a serial killer mystery novel theme.

Since we were talking about it I decided to replay some of Melty Blood's story mode. I actually managed to beat G-Akiha second try. Turns out you just have to keep crossing her up using your double jump, you end up in a rhythm where you dodge most of her attacks. You can hit her with 2 jump Cs each time, you just have to delay the second one a bit since it has to hit the back of her arm. There's still that one annoying attack where she beams the whole screen but it seems relatively rare. Also when she uses the drill you can use that time to activate heat and heal up.

What if the big twist of Tsuki:Re is that it's a simulation in the Moon Cell?

How would you react?

>>21773587
I'd probably take a flight to Japan and then stab Nasu and Takeuchi.

>>21773361
Who is the best Nasuverse anime composer?

>>21773587
>DAA can't into their shit ritual in a world where they're are at their strongest
>Some random guy can bring it about alone in a Fate-world
When will DAA stop jobbing?

>>21770086
I'm uploading some artbooks on AB.

>>21773616
whoever did the Apocrypha soundtrack
it's the only thing that adaptation did right

>>21773616
Kenji Kawai

>>21773616
Fukasawa

http://ufotable.com/FGOfes2019/

>>21773616
Whoever did Fate DEEN 2006.

>>21775646
Nine of a kind having a good time?

>>21775790
This. Or Mahoyo composer.

Are we ever gonna know what the 1st, 4th and 5th True Magic are?

2nd magic - travelling between worlds and across time
3rd magic - manifestation of the soul
5th magic - Aoko's hair turns red and makes her OP and apparently prunes the current timeline (?????)

>>21778440
Who knows, not like Nasu cares much, he just do whatever brings in money.
>Aoko's hair turns red and makes her OP and apparently prunes the current timeline (?????)
Wut? The only time we saw her use it is in Mahoyo, where she "moves" and "uses" time :
she moves 5 second of Shizuki's time when he was dead to far in the future( also moves the moment where she gets hit by an attack to somewhere else in the timeline I think), and takes years of his childood (like 5 years or something?) to add to her own.

Since the fate franchise is unrecoverable at this point, we should just Brexit the Fuyuki City trilogy out of the franchise and name it something else.

Suggest me names guys

>>21778816
Fuyuki Holy Grail War

>>21778816
Sad and Sexy Holy Grail War

it really wasn't

>>21779091
are the subbing groups really that lazy?
a simple re-shuffle of the words would fix the sentence up easily.

https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/98e3va/alien_gods_identity_theory/e4gukie/

I did not understand a single sentence of that whole debate.

>>21779256
>reddit

>>21779269
That was the only link that wasn't the wiki dude
https://www.google.com/search?q=alein+god+fgo&rlz=1C1GCEA_enFR824FR824&oq=alein+god+fgo&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0.2191j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

>>21779317
>fgo

>>21779256
IMO if you want to see some discussion about the identity of God of Another Planet/God of the Foreign Planet, it's better to read those discussions that were posted recently, especially when LB4 revealed more info about the God and the Fantasy Tree.

>>21779372
Thanks but I don't really care that much, was curious and somehow got pulled into reading the whole thing
and as said
>>21779341
>fgo

man, what's up with the Velber?
will one of the other two unknown Velber be Genghis Khan?
I just really want to see at least a reference to Genghis in some fashion or other, he's probably one of the biggest figures in history left absent from all TM works.

>>21779447
It's gonna be a girl in bikini ranting about "Mastaaa~" and you're gonna regret that wish.

>>21779461
I think I'd genuinely explode out of anger
I want him to be the old, conqueror he's supposed to be.

>>21779447
>other two unknown Velber be Genghis Khan?
Unfortunately, that old man on the left is all but confirmed to be Odin since Altera's relationship with Brynhildr is more complicated than just them being siblings.

>>21780103
so Genghis is just going to be a regular fgo original who exists to suck the players cock?
thanks, I hate it.

>>21780141
I wouldn't be surprised if he never makes it into anything, considering people like you exist who want him to be true to real life, but also people who want him to be a big titty tomboy or something.
It'd be more decisive than most other servants, at least.

>>21780103
>that old man on the left is all but confirmed to be Odin since Altera's relationship with Brynhildr is more complicated than just them being siblings.
Wtf is going in fgo

F/GO should have been a conclusion that drew on the different themes and happenigs of the stories that came before it, only adding its own concepts to support that.

>>21779256
>grandorder

>>21780103
>Odin since Altera's relationship with Brynhildr is more complicated than just them being siblings.
One of those theories about their relationship is the Valkyries were created based on Sefar's corpse, no?

I confess.
I really like Tomoe's design.

>>21773929
>>21775790
>>21776163
What about Yuki Kaijura?

>>21780819
Hollywood syndrome. By themselves her soundtracks are oscar worthy, but take her work as a whole it's always more of the same. But yeah, Zero delivered, Excalibur's scene is still one my most memorable anime scene.

>>21778816
>we should just Brexit the Fuyuki City trilogy out of the franchise
anon, it's already been done by FGO themselves. Remember, the typical FGO player hasn't even touched FSN VN and FGO is treated as the 'main' work to most casuals. In other words, FSN is pretty much already ignored and for all intent and purpose an outcast.

What's up with literally every fgo character, ennemy or entity having the "weak to Enuma Elish" trait ?

>>21779461
It's ok as long as she's still a sexually dominant rapist.

>What's up with literally every fgo character...

>>21780926
Lmao, even Gil himself has it, how does that work?

>Musashi is literally Aoko with swords
>Scat is literally Aoko with spears
The fuck happened to Koyama ?

>>21780954
Well he did get hitched in friendship to Enkidu it's original owner, ergo weak to.

>>21779130
>subbing groups
there are no more subbing groups.
>>21779091
personally didn't find it difficult

>>21780926
because gil's NP is built to do extra damage to 90% of servants in the game. it's just a game mechanic.

>>21780970
FGO cancer killed his soul, he's literally one of us and is only doing it for the paycheck.

>>21780970
He wants to work on mahoyo if you haven't noticed.

the problem is that nasu is too fucking lazy to write anything mahoyo related so he can't.

>>21781406
>>21781434
Simply thought he got lazy which surprised me. Was he really invested in Mahoyo?

>>21780156
I'm not sure about that, I think most people likes Iskandar. A lot of us would probably also agree that Hercules is cool even if it's just design-wise.
Mass appeal is one thing, but if you put more soul into what you make, it's going to end up being more loved deeply, I mean look at us; still here even after all these years.

>>21781485
Yes he just tweeted at the start of the Reiwa era that he really wants to finish it and he still posts about it every year.

>>21781485
https://twitter.com/k_hiroriro he's the only one in the entire company that still tweets about the game on it's anniversary.. In 2017 he tweeted "Sorry for making you wait"

>>21781507
>>21781508
Holy shit that's sad. Also dunno if I should take it as "one guy still remembers it, there is hope!" or "only one guy remembers it, rip".

>>21781499
Not us who are making Nasu literally infinite money though.

>>21781625
He has more or less confirmed it's entirely nasu's fault.

he tweeted something like "I just have to do the art, (((he))) has to do the hard job of writing everything"

nasu will never allow anyone else to write mahoyo, and he'll never stop being lazy and work on it.

>>21783162
>nasu will never allow anyone else to write mahoyo
He should though, don't see how he would lose in that deal and it's not like he cares about Mahoyo.

what's your total playtime in each of the VNs?

>>21785610
FSN took me ages because that's what I sued to learn english. Probably like 150+ hours.

What is the difference between "deified" and "pseudo-deified" (as in Arcueid's regression to the AoG's composition: Before Common Era, pseudo-deified natural phenomenon) ? I've heard the word "deified" a lot but i still don't understand what exactly "pseudo-deified" is

>watching Case Files
>Reines is incredibly unlikeable
So does the story ever call her out here? Because she is actively ruining my enjoyment - if I'm supposed to just accept that her behavior is normal then it makes it very hard to care about anyone in this cast. It just seems to be fetishbait, I don't see how it's any better than Extrashit or GO in this regard.

>>21781406
He isn't one of us at all. I have a hard time believing he's genuine here when he should have the pull to get something done on it. Especially when people in this company have a reputation for lying to fans to string them along.

>>21786261
>not a pasta
wtf

>>21786261
You are trying too hard to fit in, newfag-kun.

>>21786269
>y have a reputation for lying to fans to string them along.
Well, in Mahoyo's case they simply haven't communicated about it in years. I highly suspect Nasu genuinely forgot it existed.

>>21786303
?
>>21786305
Again, ? I haven't read the novels, this is my introduction to Case Files. Reines' behavior is abhorrent, yet doesn't seem to have been treated as such so far.

>>21786317
I doubt that. I suspect he just decided it didn't make enough money, but to keep fans who want more waiting and invested into TM refuses to admit it's cancelled. Koyama is probably just keeping that going, I refuse to accept that he's "one of us" until he starts actually giving us something of value. This "I really really want to work on it guys" is worthless, and I don't buy it.

>>21786317
He still remembers Melty Blood (Sion made a MB reference in FGO 2019 New Year event, which was written by Nasu) so doubt it.

>>21780970
Lancer Aoko is the only somewhat decent thing that came out of FGO, mostly by the virtue of not being a genderbent loli in a micro bikini.

She's still virtually naked though.

>>21786261
It's hard to dislike her as she hasn't done anything in the series besides being smug.
She's just there, being a cute smug waifu.

>>21786320
You are new to Type-Moon if you don't know that most mages have shitty personalities.

>>21786343
"Virtually naked" only in that she's continuing Cu's trend of irish lancers being latex space pirates.

>>21786357
And therein lies my problem. I see nothing to her character but
>cute, smug waifu
Which somehow means the series never calls out her actions. There's nothing to her character at all, and it's making it hard to care about the characters when they're so poorly fleshed out.
>>21786359
That isn't an excuse. You can be a shitty person, sure, but the protagonists should be calling the shitty behavior out. When you have your cast populated by horrible, horrible people it becomes hard to care about what happens to them or their plights. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop taking what I'm saying and spinning it just so you get to respond with shitposting memes.

>>21786372
Do you understand that this is the norm in their society? You even have outliers like Waver and Gray to balance her out. I don't accept that as valid criticism, looks like just "old work good, new work bad" thing to me even though you didn't read old works.

>>21786367
90% of her suit is made to look like it's translucid.

>b-b-but it was always like this
People need to stop using this non-excuse because not only it's not true but it also very often sounds like "but it was always this shitty!"

>>21786372
I haven't watched the newest episode so I dunno if there's anything out of place there but in volume 2, she does put up a front and try to supress her sadistic urges when around other magi or people she doesn't know.
With her close acquaintances she does act like a bitch cause she know she can get away with it, Waver is on a leash and Gray is too shy to talk back.

>>21786414
>Do you understand that this is the norm in their society?
Of course. But there is a reason stories tend not to have everyon be unlikeable, it's because if they're unlikeable it's hard to root for them. Just because that's how it is, doesn't justify how it's hard to care about the cast because they're all horrible people.
>You even have outliers like Waver and Gray to balance her out
But they don't. They're better people, sure, but Reines' behavior never seems to get held accountable. And no, "everyone else is just as bad or worse" is not a good enough excuse.
>looks like just "old work good, new work bad" thing to me
That's because you're either a shitposter or you're not very smart. At the very least, you're not engaging with this conversation genuinely. The two arguments are nothing alike - one is an appeal to tradition essentially where it invokes "the good old days", holding newer works to higher standards than the older ones ever were, and my argument is about how it's hard to care about most of the cast when they're all thoroughly unredeemed assholes.
>even though you didn't read old works
I'd ask why you would think so, but it's pretty clear at this point you're merely going through the shitposter's checklist of arguments for the sake of responding, so you're not worth engaging any longer. Either come up with something yourself, or don't bother replying. Or do, I won't be reading it.
>>21786453
Okay, does her behavior ever get reformed, or does she ever develop into a better person? I think I'd enjoy it more if I knew there was development coming down the line, but if her character is just stagnantly horrible it's going to be really hard to not drop it entirely. I really wanted to like this too so it's a shame I've been so let down by it thus far.

Fukasawa is also still proud of his work on Mahoyo
https://twitter.com/eicheph/status/1155500765676310529

>>21786469
Just drop it if one character having a distorted personality (which has literally has always been an interesting part of TM, people with weird origins who are seriously fucked up on the inside) is enough to make you hate a whole series.

>>21786469
Reines isn't exactly a "horrible person" unless you're really stretching the definition, yeah she has perverse sadistic urges, but she still gets along well enough with Waver and Gray and cares about them in her own weird way. She doesn't put the ends above the means and hasn't done anything unethical, and she doesn't have much interest in political squabbling or magus experiments.

>>21786484
Sigh. I'm going to reiterate my issue one more time, let's hope it gets through.
I do not mind a character being a horrible person. I do mind when said horrible behavior is normalized, or the character otherwise never gets comeuppance, redemption or development. Now if it's just one character that's that, but when the behavior is normalized it reflects on the entire cast. I find that to be poor character writing, and that I feel is a good reason to be put off a series.
>which has literally has always been an interesting part of TM, people with weird origins who are seriously fucked up on the inside
And how many of these never get comeuppance, redemption or development?
>>21786497
>Reines isn't exactly a "horrible person" unless you're really stretching the definition
I would argue being a bitch and forcing your sadism onto others is enough to justify being called "horrible".
>and hasn't done anything unethical
Are we splitting morals and ethics here? Because if so, then I'd agree, but her actions have absolutely been immoral.

Imagine how this guy would react to Ilya.

I honestly don't get how you can have an opinion from anime Reines when she barely appeared.
Seems like an obsession issue to me.

>>21786515
Y'know that not liking a character's actions and morals doesn't mean it's a bad character, right?

>>21786525
>Heavens Feel
That's redemption right there. Not to mention how much you have to ignore to equate those two characters.
>>21786532
It was an impression from the series I had well before, it's what kept me from getting into it. The anime just hasn't changed my mind thus far.
>>21786538
Of course. Plenty of the best villains are truly awful people. But it works because they're villains. So how about if they're just scummy fuckers, not villains? Well that works too, because those characters are often treated like scummy pieces of shit. But when you are required to ignore the morals of a character just because "that's how they are", then I have an issue with it. Reines herself might not even be a bad character overall, just I feel this aspect isn't written well. Hell, did you even read my post, or just the
>I find that to be poor character writing
bit?

>>21786547
>But when you are required to ignore the morals of a character just because "that's how they are"
Nobody requires anything of you anon. Dunno what you're smoking there.
>the morals of a character
Again, what do you know of her morals? The story never focused on her, the narration never gave us a insight into her thoughts and no character really gave their opinions or thoughts about her. We only saw her interact a few time, being...smug? She manhandled Waver a bit in the flashback because he is literally the reason her prestigious familly is getting fucked over. Nothing more
How about giving exemples anons, because I really don't see what's there to like or hate about her. That itself might be criticism because she barely got development but that's about it.
confusion.jpg

>>21786583
>Nobody requires anything of you anon. Dunno what you're smoking there.
Well, clearly it does. If the characters aren't going to address it, and the story isn't going to address it, and I'm supposed to like Reines (and characters like her) in spite of this, then yes, I'm required to ignore the morals (or lack thereof) of a character.
>Again, what do you know of her morals?
Are you... trying to claim you need exposition on a character to assign morality to their actions? Because, if so, boy oh boy do I have something to tell you.
>no character really gave their opinions or thoughts about her
Them going along with her, and not fighting back or finding a way to get her out of their lives, says enough about their thoughts.
>She manhandled Waver a bit in the flashback because he is literally the reason her prestigious familly is getting fucked over.
This gives us plenty of insight into her lack of morals. "I'm going to torture you because my family is fucked over", is not how you would typically expect someone to react. It's abhorrent behavior, which again indicates that she's a horrible person.
>How about giving exemples
You just gave me one for free.

>>21786605
>address it
Adress what?
>Are you... trying to claim you need exposition on a character to assign morality to their actions?
What actions?
>Them going along with her, and not fighting back or finding a way to get her out of their lives, says enough about their thoughts.
She seems like an horrible person, what'd she do?
>I'm going to torture you because my family is fucked over"
>I'm going to "torture" you because you ruined my family with your selfishness
I love how you have no issues with Waver who is responsible for her family's state, wants to actively participate in a HGW again, a horrible ritual that cost many people their lives each time and had lots of civilians dying in the last one and whose greatest dream is to join a man who callled himself a tyrant that trampled many lives in his violent conquest of the world. No issues with that.
>You just gave me one for free.
>literally can't give his own exemple of an apprently obviously horrible character.

>>21786651
>Adress what?
You're joking, right? Her morality.
>What actions?
This one, for starters
>She manhandled Waver a bit in the flashback
-
>No issues with that.
Who said I had no issues? Part of my core issue is that this kind of thing is symptomatic across the entire cast, and isn't just limited to one character!
>literally can't give his own exemple of an apprently obviously horrible character.
I could talk about how Waver essentially has PTSD thanks to her (something I learned about before the anime) but my point was to say I don't need to when you have one right there.

>>21786678
>her morality
What morality, I've asked you 3 times already, what's her morality, describe it to me.
And if you're going with the "if you can't see what it is yourself you're a brainlet" I'm preemptively accpeting your consession.
>She manhandled Waver a bit in the flashback
Okay, one action where a character acted mean. 99% of anime characters or real life people act mean at least once. You must issues with a lot of people.
>Who said I had no issues? Part of my core issue is that this kind of thing is symptomatic across the entire cast, and isn't just limited to one character!
So you just don't like the settings and the verse in general? Literally every character is a harsh fucker, even that kind daughter let her fahter go his death. Seems like it simply isn't an univers that appeal to your taste.
could talk about how Waver essentially has PTSD
Had yet to see that
>something I learned about before the anime)
Wer're talking about the anim
>watching Case Files
>Reines is incredibly unlikeable
Your words, so far the anime hasn't shown a single thing that should make her extreamly unlikable.

So far, the only thing you managed to point out was her hanging Waver upside down, something absolutely normal in the universe presented to you and for things he was 100% guilty of.

>>21786547
You really are weirdly obsessed with this one character who's not even gonna be that relevant to the case anon.
Reines is not evil or even a particularly bad person, she is just perverted but knows what the sensible limits for everything is, she has not done anything unethical. Waver is the only one she believes she is "torturing" by piling a lot of problems on top of him for him to solve, but he would do that anyway even if she took no pleasure from his struggles.

>>21784931
he does care, just not enough to write about it :^)

>her morality
What morality, I've asked you 3 times already, what's her morality, describe it to me.
And if you're going with the "if you can't see what it is yourself you're a brainlet" I'm preemptively accepting your consession.
>She manhandled Waver a bit in the flashback
Okay, one action where a character acted mean. 99% of anime characters or real life people act mean at least once. You must have issues with a lot of people.
>Who said I had no issues? Part of my core issue is that this kind of thing is symptomatic across the entire cast, and isn't just limited to one character!
So you just don't like the settings and the verse in general? Literally every character is a harsh fucker, even that kind daughter let her father go to his death. Seems like it simply isn't an universe that appeal to your taste.
>could talk about how Waver essentially has PTSD
Have yet to see that.
>something I learned about before the anime)
We're talking about the anime
>watching Case Files
>Reines is incredibly unlikeable
Your words, so far the anime hasn't shown a single thing that should make her extremely unlikable.

So far, the only thing you managed to point out was her hanging Waver upside down, something absolutely normal in the universe presented to you and for things he was 100% guilty of.

>launch tsukihime for the first time
>opening
>the curtain of trees opens with a swishing sound
>few lines later
>the curtain doesn't open yet
>...uh, let's continue
>But, someone else, someone I don't know... steps in front of me, and is torn apart in my place
>few lines later
>The person that was torn apart, that person I called "mom"

>>21788864
Welcome to Nasu

>>21788864
>FGO player's confusion during first contact with ancient boomer technology that is Visual Novels

>>21786497
>she still gets along well enough with Waver and Gray and cares about them in her own weird way
genuine question, does Reines ultimately care for them?

>>21788974
Mages are soulless and barely human. They have no empathy and don't value human life. They only care about themselves and their goal.

>>21788925
I'm not playing gachashit. I got interested into TM because I liked some of the music and Tsukihime seems to be the starting point.

>>21788996
Good on you anon, that anon is dumb. Anyone would be offput by Nasu's weird writing at first glance

God damn the new ep of Case Files was good.
Really glad to see Bram getting more screentime, and that they're using these original episodes to show Waver's situation with the 5th HGW

Great way to introduce Adashino, Reines' Mystic Eyes, and Mystic Eyes in general. Also good place for a Kairi cameo (awesome to see him outside of a Grail War).
You can easily tell that all these original episodes were carefully planned out by Sanda himself, what a solid series so far.

>>21789226
umm, sweaty, ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>21789245
What?
Are you the anti-CF poster, anon?

>>21788995
then would she happily kill Waver?

>>21789405
He's useful to her, so not right now. Later on, if it provided her some benefit, probably yes.

>>21789413
Not him but I disagree with your interpretation of her character, Reines has not been shown to be anywhere near enough of a ruthless bitch for that.

>>21786331
I disagree with the money argument.
Most of this can be explained by Nasu making Aniplex happy.
In all the material we do have it was clear that Nasu was not making Mahoyo to cater for the largest possible audience.

>>21786343
>>21786415
Scat is complete garbage and is not even the most attractive FGO original.
There is no redeeming factor here, while Musashi is also wanked to hell, she at least has more redeeming qualities.
In general though I can see a few reasons why Koyama did what he did depending on how you view it.
Personally, I consider having anybody riding on the coattails of Aoko in GO a complete mistake.

>>21788925
2hu is the single thing still worse than GOshit.

>>21789511
>Aoko Lancer
>FGO original
It's not an original that's why she looks good.

If Scathach was an FGO original, she'd look like pic related.

>>21789573
She shares bugger all with Aoko anyway.
It is her first appearance, every mention prior compared her to Rin, saying that she was RIn but more extreme, aka who she is actually based on, Misaya.
Scat in canon has never been compared otherwise.
Statements always override cosmetics when it is just the same artist being lazy.

>>21789533
Delusional underage GOtard

>>21789598
Now they could spin the angle with Scat and Aife, but that is untouched so far, and the whole Norse thing with Skadi further separates anything.
If anybody in FGO is a clone of Aoko, it is Musashi.

>>21789600
Elite reading comprehension there.
As expected of a /jp/ resident, it has rotted your brain.

>>21789598
>She shares bugger all with Aoko anyway.
Visuals > everything else.
And she looks exactly like Aoko but with a slightly more purplish hair color.

>>21789634
Visuals > everything else.

>>21789661
Forgot my
>implying
Regardless, that isn't even right, I could go on for quite some time talking about the differences in appearance and design.
People only like Scat because of her outfit.

Ahem.

Top 6 favourite Reddit servants:
1.Jeanne Alter (9,4% votes)
2.Scat and Gil tied(4,8%)
3.Musashi (4,6%)
4.Okita(4,5%)
5.Melilith (3,9%)

top 6 most hated servants by reddit:
1.Scheherezade (13,5%)
2.Orion(9,4%)
3.Medb(9,2%)
4 Raikou (9%)
5.Arjuna(8,6%)
6.Kiara (5,7%)

thank you based reddit spy

>>21789676
Wow all of those on both sides of the spectrum kinda suck who would've guessed. It's almost like Servants are a shitty tired concept and even Gil has become pretty boring

>>21789669
>People only like Scat because of her outfit.
That's exactly how it works. Nobody cares about the couple of lines of dialog characters have. It's all about visuals.

>>21789712
Sad but true.
But we all know how the average nu-TMfag is, so I'm acting in a more advanced way on /tmg/.
Aka I'm assuming we have similar experience and taste.

>>21789706
Some of the ratings even surprised me, but then I checked some dialogue and I understand.
Reddit is a hypocritical mess, sometimes though it is hard to know how they get it so wrong.

>>21789701
/fgog/ spy actually, from /alter/ spy from reddit spy.

Still, let me get this straight, Scat is a downgrade from Aoko, wearing a fetish outfit that would looks fetish as shit on anyone, plus being in a game that caters to this exactly.
Also, Scat literally has a different facial structure, she has the dead fish look, meanwhile Musashi for example has Aoko's face.
Still, I wish it would all just go away.

>>21789756
Musashi = Touko
Scathach = Aoko

Same hairstyle.

>>21789807
No, just no.
You are actually taking vanity over all, and even then you are wrong.
They are not like Saberfaces and the like, don't assume that this is how everyone thinks.

>>21789827
They all have the same face anyway. The foolproof way to differentiate characters is by haircut.

Musashi = Touko = asymmetrical parting + high pony tail
Scathach = Aoko = buttlong hair + hair intakes

>>21789844
And besides reusing traits that an artist has already done, what does it actually mean?
Literally nothing at all, unless confirmed otherwise.
Like come on, comparing Musashi to Touko in any metric is pure delusional madness.

>>21789676
Scheherezade was completely fine though?
the rest of the list is cancer, as expected

>>21789942
She is bad, but not the worst by a distance.
A few on the best should certainly be on the worst.

>>21789942
>>21789943
>boo hoo she insulted my doctor
is the only reason she's disliked, and what she said wasn't even really an insult to him.

>>21790030
Yeah, when I saw that was the reason I just sighed.
Not to mention the chink poll which have Roman and Mashu #1 in their genders.

Wait, are arguing Scat and fucking Musashi don't have Aoko's face? I hope this is a joke.

>>21790705
Musashi does, Scat doesn't.
Ignore shills.

>>21789676
>the garbage edgelord boobs girl is the most popular by a wide margin
i'm not at all surprised

still, i wonder how many only like her due to the fanart.

>>21791284
I literally cannot understand why she's so beloved.
what appeal does she have?

>>21791310
Tsundere
Big boobie goth girlfriend
A character arc in FGO

>>21791326
ah, I see, three of the worst possible traits any character could have.

kohaku

>>21791354
I forgot to post the link https://twitter.com/TYPEakiha73/status/1153984595970314240

>>21791345
Reddit hivemind is one hell of a drug