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2167154 No.2167154[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Bad end? more like BEST END

>> No.2167174

Mind of steel is F/SN's true end

>> No.2167177

Yeah, why can't you just kill the annoying bitch?

>> No.2167195

Really, Saber needed to be alive so they could be superheros together,

>> No.2167197

It's not a bad end.
Just an end.

>> No.2167457

He will become Archer! Of course it is the best end!

>> No.2167482

anyone have that shopped screenshot with mind of steel in place of heaven's feel?

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>>2167482

>> No.2167499

[ ] "I want to be with Sakura."

[x] "I will continue to pursue my goal of being a great hero."

>> No.2167500

Sure is TOUGH GUY here.

>> No.2167510
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>>2167500

I'm more of a dangerous boy, really.

>> No.2167512

>>2167500
Not tough guy.
It's just the hero ideal is more beautiful then Sakura.

>> No.2167527

Seriously, I didn't expect that. So I choose to become a superhero and... BAD END!? WTF

>> No.2167539

>>2167500
>>2167512
Who wants a slut like her, anyways

>> No.2167543

>>2167512
Yeah yeah, kids sure love that, but guess whose son will be born and inherit the dad's ideals and the mother's magic circuits thus become a prodigy ?

>> No.2167579

>>2167543
Sakura is still a slut.

>> No.2167585

>>2167579
When was she ever a slut? A slut is somebody who will have sex with anybody just for it's own sake. Sakura only wants Shirou.

Yes, her drive WAS a bit stronger than normal, but the crest worm is gone now.

>> No.2167603

>>2167543
Rin would be better for that job.
With a dad who kept the ideal.

>> No.2167610

>>2167512
He emotionlessly kills most of the people that were close to him in pursuit of his ideal (just as Kiritsugu had done). How is that a good end?

>> No.2167612

>>2167585
Sakura wouldn't mind even if a dog fucked her.

>> No.2167621

>>2167610
Hero ideal does not always lead to Archer.
It also makes for better what-ifs.
Since we have no fucking idea how exactly the story unfolds(as we do not know Archer's either), we picture it to be awesome.

>> No.2167622

>>2167610
In that instance at the least it's a good end because it's what the character wants.
The abandonment of his own happiness in pursuit of a greater good, even if he is miserable because of it, he has a shred of happiness in that he is pursuing his ideal.

>> No.2167624

>>2167610
You mean the annoying homicidal tsundere, the batshit insane loli and the serial killer slut?
They all deserved to die. Admit it.
And it is a good end because he becomes GARCHER.

>> No.2167626

>>2167585
You must be new here.

>> No.2167627

>>2167612
Which you say with, of course, absolutely nothing to back it up.

>> No.2167634

>>2167626
New? No. I'll just never understand the completely irrational hatred of some characters.

>> No.2167637

>>2167610

He gets dere dere Rider.

>> No.2167644

>>2167634
It's a meme.

There, now you understand and can stop making a fool out of yourself trying to argue against it.

>> No.2167645

>>2167634
Not understand it, just acknowledge it and not challenge it.

>> No.2167672

>>2167621
Kotomine says that Shirou will kill Rin and Ilya and he too acknowledges that he is willing to kill them any anyone else as long as he wins. He becomes a cold-booded killer. At least the Shirou of the other routes still wishes to save everyone.

>>2167624
Did you miss the fact that Archer was completely fucked up because of the path he pursued?

In any case, the path that created Archer was probably closest to Fate, since Archer is aware that Shirou has Avalon inside him, which Shirou doesn't learn in any of the other routes.

>> No.2167708

>>2167672
Archer became the way he is mostly due to the fact he willingly made the contract expecting to be able to save people as a Counter Guardian, however all he did was kill and kill and kill.

>> No.2167715

>>2167672
Do not trust everything Kotomine says.
Point is, whether he becomes more like Archer or Kiritsugu or something different all-together, who knows.
We just like to assume it's better.

>> No.2167716

I thought archer was from the hidden ilya route

>> No.2167718

>>2167708
And by extension save the rest of humanity. Archer is a faggot.

>> No.2167729

>>2167672
Archer was fucked up only in UBW.

>> No.2167737

>>2167729
...He is always fucked up.
He just acts upon it in UBW.

>> No.2167747

>>2167718
He probably thought that at first but after an eternity of nothing but killing and more killing, and not seeing the end result, especially for someone with an ideal like his, it's surprising his mental state wasn't worse off.

>> No.2167761

>>2167737
Fucked up Archer is still better than moralfag Shirou.
However, he is only fucked up in UBW, in other routes he just acts amoral shit to warn Shirou. In HF he even willingly saves Shirou's life.

>> No.2167782

>>2167761
...All characters start the same in all routes.
Circumstances drive them or force them to certain decisions.
In Fate, he barely has chances and decides in the end to do his job, in HF Shirou has changed, again the circumstances are the best, so he lets him keep going, and ONLY in UBW does he have leeway to go with his plan.

>> No.2167783

>>2167761
He was still fucked up in Fate and HF. He was just too busy being near decapitated in Fate, then was too preoccupied getting killed. In HF he saw that that Shirou was too different from him for killing him to have any chance of an effect. Or he could have seen that he couldn't do anything to stop the events himself and gave Shirou his arm as one last try at revenge.

>> No.2167785

>>2167761
>In HF he even willingly saves Shirou's life.
He does that because Archer already knows that at the moment when Shirou doubted his ideals they were two entirely different people. That Shirou would never become Archer.

That Shirou would be the one that would save Ilya when he could not.

>> No.2167795

>>2167785
>That Shirou would be the one that would save Ilya when he could not.
He didn't really succeed in that aspect. Only getting a Fairy Tale end sans Ilya.

>> No.2167801

>>2167785
...But last I checked, Ilya still dies in HF.

>> No.2167840

>>2167785
>That Shirou would be the one that would save Ilya when he could not.
In fact, the only ending where Ilya lives, is the ending where Shirou is most likely to become Archer.

>> No.2167853

Ilya always dies. Her body isn't capable of lasting more than a year past the 5th grail war.

>> No.2167854

Does Shirou become Archer in Last Episode?

>> No.2167857 [DELETED] 

>>2167840
Do you really think that Mind of Steel Shirou would let the vessel of the Holy Grail, the container of all the evils of the world, live?

>> No.2167913

>>2167853
mana transfer

>> No.2167920

>>2167913
Even if that would work, Ilya's soul has the same time limit as her body. Would you really want her to have the same problem as Zouken?

>> No.2167926

>>2167913

if you know what i mean...

>> No.2167932

>>2167854
No, not really.

>> No.2168064

ITT: UBW Good or True End = Best End

He keeps his ideal while being part of Rin's harem and is GAR.

>> No.2168101

>>2167853
Well, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for Nasu to rationalize her surviving. HF Shirou seemed to work out pretty well, after all.

>> No.2168106

>>2168064
How can you be such a faggot?

>> No.2168135

>>2168106

That question works for you too.

>>2168101

This is Nasu we're talking about, not someone competent.

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>>2167672

>In any case, the path that created Archer was probably closest to Fate, since Archer is aware that Shirou has Avalon inside him, which Shirou doesn't learn in any of the other routes.

When do we ever learn that Archer knows he's got a sheathe stuck in him?

Either way, Mind of Steel is obviously the most heavily implied ARCHER END. He might've learned it in his later life, which obviously goes on ~10-20 years.

>> No.2168178

>>2168140
>>When do we ever learn that Archer knows he's got a sheathe stuck in him?

I think he mentions it when he fights Shirou in UBW.

But how the fuck is Shirou supposed to kill the other Masters with his shitty magic anyway?

>> No.2168189

>>2168178

Projection?

>> No.2168199

>>2168178
He will call upon all of Archers plot armour to protect him

>> No.2168201

>>2168178

>But how the fuck is Shirou supposed to kill the other Masters with his shitty magic anyway?

Judging by how Kiritsugu worked in F/Z, he wouldn't.
He'd do more human things, i.e. demolish the building the Master is residing in.

Where Shirou will get C-4 or SEMTEX, I do not know.

>> No.2168212

Shirou would just JACKHAMMER his way to victory

>> No.2168240

>>2167512
Mindless "I WANT TO SAVE EVERYONE INCLUDING THOSE I KILL" vashfaggery is not beautiful.

>> No.2168249

>>2168201
>>2168212
I just imagined Shirou JACKHAMMERING Rider next to a wall and it falling on Rin

It was somewhat amusing

>> No.2168251

>>2168240

As if you know what beauty is.

>> No.2168293

>>2168240
Beauty is subjective.

>>2168201
Man, if only Kiritsugu had left behind a high powered rifle or something.

>> No.2168304

>>2168293

And? The fact stands that Sakura is a slut and saving everyone's lives including those you kill is far more beautiful than slut.

>> No.2168315

>>2168240
Sensitivity for the lives of every single human being, including sympathy for those that others wouldn't hold sympathy for? That is beautiful.

>> No.2168342

>>2168304
..I was kinda agreeing with your side there.

Though really I guess it'd be more of a third side opinion

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>>2168304

Shirou in Heaven's Feel didn't want beauty, he wanted love.

There is no love in constant murder.

>> No.2168347

>>2168342

I did not have any clue you were.

>> No.2168350

>>2168343

There's also no love in a bitch who wishes for the destruction of the world because a select group of people tortured her.

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>>2168350

Dark Sakura died when Rin got stabbed.

>> No.2168368

>>2168364
Yes, because one scene redeems a shitty character of her wrong-doings.

/You are a fucking moron.

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>>2168368

No sir.

You said that Sakura wanted the world to die.

At that scene, Sakura stopped wanting the world to die.

The actions of the Shadow were (mostly) out of her control; the only person she killed who she actively wanted to kill was Shinji and Zouken (and Hassan if he counts).

Dark Sakura gave into her whims of dreaming about murder now that she had the power to.

But she never had the chance to go out and murder everyone, and she very much didn't WANT to when Rin "died".

>> No.2168416

>>2168388

And? Shinji, and Zoken wronged her but she couldn't get over it when she met Shiro and Taiga?

Shitty character is shitty, my point stands. She had people who cared about her that could make her forget about the bad things and she was the one who couldn't accept that.

>> No.2168451

>>2168388
>person she killed who she actively wanted to kill
>Shinji

I don't think so, Jim.

>> No.2168556

>>2168416
Perhaps it had something to do with the incarnation of evil possessing her.

You know, that little thing is maaayyybe why she became a tad unreasonable.

>> No.2168566

>>2168556

No. It was her fault for feeling so much malice in the first place. She fought it off after she stabbed Rin, then why couldn't she do it before?

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>>2168556

No, Kotomine said she was compatible with Angra Mainyu.
So she's already on that side.
But as it shows, she doesn't WANT to be. She was made like that through 10 years of Makiri training.

>>2168416
>She had people who cared about her that could make her forget about the bad things and she was the one who couldn't accept that.

Yeah, you can just WAVE OFF 10 YEARS OF COMPLETE TORMENT WITH FRIENDSHIP.

Go take a psychology class. Sakura is a broken person. Shirou wanted to help her, and he DID.
Mind of Steel is him turning his back on who he loves just because he's a hollow person who has to absorb another's ideal to keep himself sane.

>> No.2168594

If Sakura's torture hadn't been sexual in nature then everyone on /jp/ would treat her as the ultimate tragic figure.

But because she was raped repeatedly she was no longer "pure" so the mysogonists at /jp/ hate her.

>> No.2168606

The fact that /jp/ conciders the most tragic and screwed up bad ending in FSN a "good" end shows how screwed up they all are.

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>>2168566

She's selfish and unaware.

She thought everyone and everything (but Shirou) hated her (and she thought even Shirou would hate her if she knew the truth about her), until Rin showed her that their situations are alike.

But this ISN'T willful ignorance; this is complete lack of knowledge. Her entire world was torture and pain except for her time with her daft Sempai.

>> No.2168623

>Yeah, you can just WAVE OFF 10 YEARS OF COMPLETE TORMENT WITH FRIENDSHIP.

Knowing full and well that Shiro would protect her from Shinji and Zoken. THIS WAS NOT THAT HARD A CONCEPT TO GET.

>Mind of Steel is him turning his back on who he loves just because he's a hollow person who has to absorb another's ideal to keep himself sane.

It's not necessarily another person's ideal if he chases after it so adamantly and accepted it. And HE DIDN"T EVEN TRY TO GO AGAINST THE ODDS WHEN IT WAS CHALLENGED. He pussied out and just tossed it away. Unlike in the other routes, when it was challenged he rose to the occasion unlike in HF.

Plus his relationship with Sakura was based around sex. That is not enough to make me believe he loves her at all. Nasu forced the relationship and tried to make it seem genuine, and he failed at it as per usual.

>> No.2168625

>>2168350
so you're saying torture is okay

>> No.2168626
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>>2168606

I don't consider it a "good" end as in an end in a positive light, but I consider it a HOLY SHIT AWESOME END.

Honestly.

Archer.

>> No.2168633

>>2168625

I'm saying it's not okay to wage war on the planet because two assholes tortured you.

>> No.2168635

>>2168633
Yes, It is.

That's a perfect reason.

Fuck the world.

>> No.2168636

>>2168623
>Plus his relationship with Sakura was based around sex.

You haven't read HF.

The sex doesn't start until AFTER they have emotional bonding and get into a relationship.

>> No.2168641

>>2168635

And there's the real assholes that actually say this bullshit.

>> No.2168642

>>2168623

>Knowing full and well that Shiro would protect her from Shinji and Zoken. THIS WAS NOT THAT HARD A CONCEPT TO GET.

YEAH
SHIROU CAN TOTALLY STOP ZOUKEN SNAPPING HIS FINGERS AND HAVING SAKURA'S HEART GET EATEN BY WORMS
EFFORTLESSLY

>It's not necessarily another person's ideal if he chases after it so adamantly and accepted it.

It does if he takes it to absolute heart and doesn't even alter it with his own views, because HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY OWN VIEWS, HE'S EMPTY.

>Plus his relationship with Sakura was based around sex. That is not enough to make me believe he loves her at all. Nasu forced the relationship and tried to make it seem genuine, and he failed at it as per usual.

That's just shitty writing.
All the relationships felt forced.

>> No.2168647

>>2168636

Nonono. Let's rewind back to where she collapses in the shower and Shiro notices she has tits. Then he's all like

"Holy shit! I'm in love! "

>> No.2168662

>>2168642

1. HE'S AN OLD MAN. DID YOU FORGET HOW ARCHER SLICED THROUGH HIM LIKE BUTTER?

2. He has his own views, one assholes like you refuse to accept because he's inspired by someone else's ideal and uses it as his own.

3. Saber and Rin's didn't. Their's was actually built upon well enough and it didn't take until the last three days for any real "I love you" moments.

In HF it happens within the first week. You've got to be shitting with me.

>> No.2168665

>>2168647
Uh-huh.

And you didn't pay attention at ALL to the previous build up, the fact that Shirou was forcing himself to not notice that Sakura wasn't a little kid, trying to hide his feelings.

Then again, you probably just read a summary or saw the CG.

>> No.2168666

>>2168633
>>2168635


You know, it really isn't a good reason to declare war on the world.

But I can pretty much guarentee you Every single person in history that has done something evil hasn't had a good reason.

Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan. None of these men had a legitimate reason for bringing death in the scale they did.


At the least, Sakura has the excuse of being possessed by the incarnation of all mans sins.

>> No.2168670

>>2168594
What if I just don't like her?

>> No.2168679

>>2168662
The entirety of the Fate/Stay Night story takes place over two weeks.

EVERY relationship happens at a fast pace.

At least Shirou and Sakura knew each other before the story started.. They've had a YEAR of knowing each other without being in a relationship.

>> No.2168682

>>2168665

There was none. He even says himself that he never thought of Sakura that way until just then.

>>2168666

There is no reason for waging war on the world. None. The Angra Mainyu had the least reason, because most of the assholes that made him into what he is are already dead.

>> No.2168683

>>2168662

>1. HE'S AN OLD MAN. DID YOU FORGET HOW ARCHER SLICED THROUGH HIM LIKE BUTTER?

And how he DIDN'T FUCKING DIE?
He can still command the worms in worm form.

>2. He has his own views, one assholes like you refuse to accept because he's inspired by someone else's ideal and uses it as his own.

He does in UBW, but not in Fate or Mind of Steel.
He adapts the ideal in UBW, and simply clones it in the others.

>3. Saber and Rin's didn't.

Yes they did.

>In HF it happens within the first week. You've got to be shitting with me.

Ignore the fact that Shirou has been living with Sakura for a YEAR.

>> No.2168692

>>2168670
Impossible.

If you dislike Sakura, you are a MISOGYNIST TOOL OF THE PATRIARCHY.

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>>2168642
Actually, Rin and Shirou's felt the most NATURAL for me. Just their sex scene was forced. They shouldn't even been sleeping with each other until they were together for several months.

>> No.2168695

<i>And how he DIDN'T FUCKING DIE?
He can still command the worms in worm form.</i>

1. It's very hard to crush and old body like his into pieces and mail them across the planet. Isn't it?

2. I agree with you on this. I have a habit of using his UBW self as the personification of this. But in Fate his resolve is strengthened with Saber's help.

3. And considered her as nothing but his underclassman.

>> No.2168697

>>2168682

That's exactly the damn point.

There is no logical reason to declare war on the world, but people do it anyway.

The Angra Mainyu in the Great Grail isn't Angra Mainyu that was tortured and killed god knows how long ago.


The corruption of the grail comes about as the result of the taint brought to the Grail through those villagers wish that there be a central incarnation of all evil in the world.


Great Grail Angra isn't really even a person, he's the sum of man-kinds sins given flesh and infinite power.

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>>2168695
><i>...</i>

>> No.2168701

>>2168695

Sorry about that. Force of habit.

>Yes they did.

Bullshit.

>> No.2168706

>>2168697

WHICH IS WHY I HATE NASU! HE PUTS NO THOUGHT BEHIND THE PAIN HE CAUSES US, AND MAKES THESE STUPID DISCUSSIONS POSSIBLE!

>> No.2168710

>>2168695

>1. It's very hard to crush and old body like his into pieces and mail them across the planet. Isn't it?

Yes indeed, and since Shirou can't do that, he can do jack-all to defend Sakura from Zouken.

>2. I agree with you on this. I have a habit of using his UBW self as the personification of this. But in Fate his resolve is strengthened with Saber's help.

Well, we're discussing Mind of Steel Shirou in regards to Heaven's Feel Shirou.

>3. And considered her as nothing but his underclassman.

Shirou lies to himself all the goddamn time.

>> No.2168711

>>2168594
No. No one hates Kohaku, or even Rider who also isn't a virgin. Quit using Sakura is damaged goods as a reason for people hating her. Her character sucks, that is all.

>> No.2168712

Newfriend-kun, this is how you do italics.

>> No.2168720

>>2168706
What are you even talking about anymore?

Just because a character has no logical reason to do something doesn't mean it can't be completely in character to do it.

Sakura has a persecution complex, she doesn't have a true logical reason to do what she does,
But it's completely in character for someone like that to decide that they do.

ESPECIALLY if the living incarnation of evil is living in your dress.

>> No.2168726

>>2168712
ok thanks

>> No.2168728

>>2168695
>And considered her as nothing but his underclassman.

Actually if you'll read the first three days and his interactions with Sakura it's obvious he's attracted to her, but he forces himself to think of her as just her underclassman.

Also why doesn't anybody ever remember Sparks liner high? That's totally the best "bad" end in FSN. heck, it's really just an "End" the game says so.

>> No.2168732

>>2168728

>Also why doesn't anybody ever remember Sparks liner high?

I loved it, but Mind of Steel was just a great tragedy end.

Sparks Liner High is second place.

>> No.2168734

>>2168720

I just hate Sakura for no good reason, I guess. It also doesn't help that her character is shit.

>>2168710

1. No, it's not If Archer can slice through his body, no problem. Then what makes you think Shiro can't beat Zoken over the head with a fucking chair, and slice his limbs off with a knife?

2. Then I admit defeat on this.

3. Sure, but he really didn't think much of her until the shower scene.

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>>2168732

Forgot pictar

>> No.2168740

>>2168728
Didn't Mind of Steel also say just end or do I need to replay it again?

>> No.2168746

>>2168728

Feh, I hardly remember that bullshit after the first time I did it. It just really seemed to me in HF he really didn't think much of her until that moment when he realized she had tits.

>> No.2168753

>>2168734
I don't mind that you hate her for no good reason, hell I don't even really like her that much either.

But when you try to back up what is a baseless opinion with falsehood and stupidity I can't help but debate.


>Then what makes you think Shiro can't beat Zoken over the head with a fucking chair, and slice his limbs off with a knife?

BECAUSE HIS BODY IS MADE OUT OF WORMS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAN


Even that one worm inside Sakura is capable of becoming a new Zouken.

>> No.2168755

>>2168734

>1. No, it's not If Archer can slice through his body, no problem. Then what makes you think Shiro can't beat Zoken over the head with a fucking chair, and slice his limbs off with a knife?

A SERVANT can hack through him effortlessly.
Shirou would still have to fight to a mage with his very human body, and then kill every single worm BEFORE Zouken says "Sakura heart explode no jutsu".

>3. Sure, but he really didn't think much of her until the shower scene.

That's just a levee breaking.

>> No.2168759

>>2168746
>Feh, I hardly remember that bullshit after the first time I did it.

Don't blame the writer because you forgot parts of the story then.

>> No.2168766

What is Sparks Liner high?

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>>2168753

>Even that one worm inside Sakura is capable of becoming a new Zouken

Actually, that WAS Zouken. The real Zouken soul-carrier was in Sakura.

So, no. Shirou can't fight Zouken in any logical way.

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>>2168766

(Bad) End where Shirou fights Dark Saber one on one and fries his brain from over-projection.

Famous for being the description for "Kanshou and Bakuya - Overedge" which got shown in the anime.

>> No.2168775

>>2168753

Well there's got to be one hero of justice on 4Chan. I commend you for that.

>BECAUSE HIS BODY IS MADE OUT OF WORMS

THEN USE A FLAME THROWER OR THROW HIM INTO A FIREPLACE! IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

>>2168755

1. May I remind, that this servant's only special capability was to create swords and fire them like arrows. He had no super strength, luck, intuition, or defense. Only creating swords.

2. Fuck that.

>> No.2168781

>>2168766
Tiger Dojo End 38. You get it by failing to get Rider on your side before heading to the Great Grail.

Shirou fights Dark Saber on his own.

And wins

>> No.2168799

>>2168759

No, Nasu is just inconsistent. First Shiro says he thinks she's beautiful, then he says he had no real feelings for her up til he noticed her body. Then he's in love with her.

>>2168767

Well.....fuck.

>> No.2168800

>>2168775

>THEN USE A FLAME THROWER OR THROW HIM INTO A FIREPLACE! IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

See >>2168767

>1. May I remind, that this servant's only special capability was to create swords and fire them like arrows. He had no super strength, luck, intuition, or defense. Only creating swords.

And the whole Servant deal of HYPER HUMAN SPEED and Future Shirou's own perfected sword combat.

>> No.2168802

>>2168775
>May I remind, that this servant's only special capability was to create swords and fire them like arrows. He had no super strength, luck, intuition, or defense. Only creating swords.

That may have been Archer's only "special ability" but he was still a Heroic Spirit. A weak one like him is still stronger then most humans.

>> No.2168816

>>2168800

Every Heroic Servant aside from Caster or Avenger is physically superior to a human.

>> No.2168820

>>2168781
Then UBW rapes Shirou's mind, Yay!

>> No.2168822

>>2168800

Because it takes an expert sowrdsman to slice somebody in two.

>>2168802

Feh. I still don't believe that Zoken's body is super hard. For god's sake the man's live for centuries(?) and his body is supposed to still be as hard to cut as wood? Hell no.

>> No.2168826

>>2168775 He had no super... intuition
Mind's Eye True: B

>> No.2168837

>>2168826

Does that allow him to predict people perfectly? No.

>>2168816

I find this hard to believe. But then again, it is Nasu.

>> No.2168846

>>2168822

I'm not admitting anything about how physically tough Zouken is, but this argument is pretty moot at this point.

Even if Shirou, lets say Projected Excalibur and slaughtered Zoukens main body completely and utterly, and for good measure he takes out the entire Matou house along with him.

Even if Shirou had a magic button that said "kill Zouken" it would be a moot point, because the Worm in Sakura was tied into her nervous system, removing it would kill her.

Which is exactly why Kotomine doesn't do that.

>> No.2168855

>>2168822

Regardless of being able to defeat Zouken's body (that's even disregarding Zouken fighting back with worm hoards), Zouken won't die unless he tears out Sakura's Crest Worm, which would kill her, which would entirely defeat the purpose of defending her.

SO, to drag that back to the initial argument, Shirou can't defend Sakura from Zouken, so Sakura WOULD NOT seek his house for safety.

>> No.2168861

devilking is a shitty newfag and a tripfag, congratulations /jp/

>> No.2168866

>>2168846
>>2168855

I said "Well...fuck. ", earlier what more do you guys want?

I'm just saying his body can't really be that tough for a man who's been alive for centuries.

>> No.2168876

>>2168861

Not a newfag. Just irrational, and stupid.

>> No.2168885

>>2168866

But that doesn't matter in the slightest.

Don't argue irrelevant things.

>> No.2168891

>>2168866
His body only looks like it's hundreds of years old because his soul ages, naturally imprinting how he should look unto whatever form he takes.

His actual age has no bearing on how strong a body made of Magic worms would be.

>> No.2168903

>>2168885

I think it matters, when people are trying to compare a Servant's power to a Century Old Man's decaying body.

It may be irrelevant, but it's fucking eating up my free time.

>> No.2168910

>>2168891

Ehh...good point.

>> No.2168916

Zouken is a centuries old MAGUS, dimwits.

Besides, in the nasuverse age makes things stronger. Shiki's katana can cut through barriers just because of it's age.

>> No.2168921

>>2168876
you used italic tags bro

>> No.2168932

>>2168921

What part of force of habit did you not get?

>> No.2168940

>>2168916

>Besides, in the nasuverse age makes things stronger

Not human souls.

Zouken is in a state of complete decay. Why do you think he was so desperate come Heaven's Feel 5?

>> No.2168946

Oh man is someone from gamefaqs posting about HF I think he issssssssssss

>> No.2168948
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I honestly don't think a lot of the anti-sakurafags either read HF or, if they did, even mean it; most of the counterarguments don't make any sense. F/SN is an eroge, it's all about falling in love with buckets, jesus christ.

Besides, Shirou falls in love with and bangs King Arthur in one of the routes, and you're saying the relationship between him and Sakura doesn't make any sense even though they've been living with eachother for like a year? FFFFF I'm trolled

>> No.2168950

>>2168946

I haven't been on 4Chan in months. And came back just yesterday. Before that I spent most of my time trolling GF.

>> No.2168953

>>2168932
italic tags

>> No.2168966

>>2168948

I said the build on the relationship. And I understand how fucked up Nasu's mind is, I've just gotten used to it.

>> No.2168977
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2168977

Play a SUPERIOR eroge /jp/

>> No.2168996

Guys guys, you aren't seeing how brilliant anti-sakurafags are. I mean seriously

You look at his name and it's like OH MANS IT'S A DEVIL THERE IS SOME BIG SHIT GOIN' DOWN

...but that's not all! There's a MOTHERFUCKING KING AFTER THAT.

I mean, I thought the Gaia online people were HARDCORE but this is just got REAL

>> No.2169000

>>2168977
>eroge

>> No.2169011

>>2168977
>eroge

>> No.2169014

>>2168996

I just didn't want to have a name with some variant of anonymous at the end. So I chose one I used for a while.

>> No.2169019
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>>2168977
There's an eroge with Krauss in it?

WELL SIGN ME UP

>> No.2169020

>>2168996
Oh! Oh! Do me next!

I love the attention!

>> No.2169028

>>2168697
>There is no logical reason to declare war on the world
mongrels are breathing my air

>> No.2169031

>>2169028
...Okay.
I give you that one.

>> No.2169032

>>2169028

Well Gil's allowed to do anything he wants. The world and everything in it belongs to him.

>> No.2169036

>>2168861
>devilking
>a tripfag
WHAT

IMPOSSIBLE

>> No.2169042

>>2169014
Regardless of that, I suck cocks

>> No.2169053

>>2169042

Fuck, someone impersonated me?

I must be moving up for someone to disgrace themselves so terribly.

>> No.2169056
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2169056

What a great thread.

>> No.2169070

>>2169053
I'm still waiting for that guy to make fun of my name.

I have a long way to go before I'm at your level apparently.

>> No.2169074
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2169074

Can we move off the topic of tripfags and back onto the topic of disgusting sluts?

>> No.2169075

>>2169070

I chose DevilKing. Obviously, I'm gonna be related to Gaia and all of that shit, I'm just too easy.

>> No.2169080

>>2169074
But this is fun.

>> No.2169083

>>2169074
Pic unrelated obviously, as that's just Sakura tasting the chicken noodle soup she has prepared.

>> No.2169093

>>2169083

But, why is it sticky?

>> No.2169097
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>> No.2169100

>>2169093
...too much semen?

>> No.2169106

>>2169100

Slut.

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2169107

>>2169019
umineko

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2169113

wincest

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>> No.2169123

>>2169113

Do I need to say it again?

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>>2169074

That's not the proper way to check the soup, Sakura. You messed up the ingredients, too. Your face is red, are you sick?

>> No.2169145
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>>2169113

>> No.2169150

>>2169107
not an eroge

>> No.2169152
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>> No.2169167
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>> No.2169172

100% agreed

>> No.2169175
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2169175

When did this turn into a general F/sn imagedump thread?

>> No.2169177

>>2169150
fucking newfag :rolleyes:

>> No.2169179

>>2169167
Vaginal? I'll pass.

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2169185

>>2169175
stop complaining

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>>2169177
Trying too hard, bro.

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>>2169175
When it decided it wanted to be a good thread.

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>>2169195
Fair enough, I guess.

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2169202

>>2169177

And now some insulting my name?

God I'm loving it here like I did two months ago. I already have haters and it didn't take much effort.

>>2169175

Do you really care?

>> No.2169203

>>2169157
>>2169162
>>2169167
I'll take 5 of each.

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>>2169195

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>>2169202
OF COURSE I CARE

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT

>> No.2169217
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>>2169212

WELL FUCK! MAKE ME FEEL BAD, WHY DON'T YOU?!

>> No.2169233

In this kind of discussion, It amuses me that there're always some faggots who swallowed shits from wiki and other sources and never played it on their own, then come to argue here heatedly,repeatedly, because they have firm belief what they read(but never really played) is right.

tl;dr newfags,lots of them.

>> No.2169239

>>2169206
I loled

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>>2169233

Right, right, right. And you know every damn detail about the game I bet.

I played the game, I hated HF and Sakura. Simple as that. Believe what you will or continue being a faggot.

>> No.2169268

>>2169167
>Must bring own contraception and self-defense against Berserker.

I lol'd

>> No.2169275

>>2169245
>about the game
>the game

See what I'm talking about ?

>> No.2169304

>In each scenario, he represents three different types and stages of a man's life: as a boy who dreams of an ideal, as a teen who wants to have both the ideal and the reality, and as an adult who accepts the impossibility of the ideal and compromises with reality.

>> No.2169319

>>2169304

Well fuck...

>> No.2169353

>>2169275
...no?

>> No.2169359

>>2169167
>>2169162
>>2169157
Needs a SEIBAH version

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>>2169359

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>>2169388
An internet for you good sir

>> No.2169522

>>2169388
>or Shirou

...Not sure if want...

>> No.2169549

>>2169353

It's not the game you fucktard.

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